Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[AnnieK]

It was first found on 10th December and still only 12 cases detected so I am thinking it is not as transmissible

[arista]

It was first found on 10th December and still only 12 cases detected so I am thinking it is not as transmissible


Yes So Far
it is not a Concern, at this time.
Frances IHU
appears as less trouble

[arista]

Tuesday 4/1/22

48 have Died
218,724 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
14,126

ventilation beds : Not Updated (883 was the number on 31/12/21)



148,941 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

it will be higher tomorrow or thursday

[arista]

Live now


SkyNewsHD
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Radio 5
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[Crimson Dynamo]

Just one Scottish Omicron patient required intensive care treatment in last five weeks

Official figures reveal that a single patient has required intensive care from the
Omicron variant in Scotland.

The figures also reveal that less than 100 individuals have required hospital
treatment in the five weeks since Omicron surfaced.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/just-one-scottish-omicron-patient-22629607

[arista]

Johnson has asked old teachers to return. (Again)



Johnson keeping to Plan B.


He says around 9 Million
have still not had their booster.

[Whitty: Cases 'expected' to go up further]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-uk-latest-coronavirus-omicron-booster-jabs-nhs-12507015

[arista]

Just one Scottish Omicron patient required intensive care treatment in last five weeks

Official figures reveal that a single patient has required intensive care from the
Omicron variant in Scotland.

The figures also reveal that less than 100 individuals have required hospital
treatment in the five weeks since Omicron surfaced.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/just-one-scottish-omicron-patient-22629607


That's good news

[arista]

Johnson just said make sure you have a Mask on
on Transport?

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[Canada Water station in south-east London during
the morning rush hour with around half of people
still not wearing masks despite
Sadiq Khan's threat of a £200 fine]

[arista]

All the Press are on a Screen

[arista]

Risks in PM's plan

[Analysis by Jon Craig, chief political correspondent SkyNewsHD

The NHS is moving to a "war footing", Boris Johnson
declares, imitating his hero Winston Churchill,
before admitting there'll be no change from Plan B in England.
"We have a chance to ride out this Omicron wave
without shutting down our country once again,"
the PM says in typically optimistic opening remarks.

Well, which is it? A war footing or riding out the virus?
The only measure planned as part of the PM's "war footing",
it appears, is daily testing of 100,000 key workers.

Is that wise, though? Surely there's
a risk – in the short term, at least - that more testing
could lead to more positive results and more staff shortages?
And where are the test kits coming from?
Isn't there a shortage?]

[arista]

LBC Ben Kentish
had great points NHS do not have the Correct Mask.

Also there are no Test Kits.

[Alf]

China has Locked down
another City
as 3 people have Covid-19.

The only food is Noddles.


Ref: WION HDSaying the only food is noodles to a Chinese person is like saying the only food is chips to an English person. They'll be happy as Larry with a belly full of noodles.

[Alf]

Johnson just said make sure you have a Mask on
on Transport?

Posting Image again from today:
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[Canada Water station in south-east London during
the morning rush hour with around half of people
still not wearing masks despite
Sadiq Khan's threat of a £200 fine]Johnson says "Always tell your mommy before you go off somewhere"

[arista]

Saying the only food is noodles to a Chinese person is like saying the only food is chips to an English person. They'll be happy as Larry with a belly full of noodles.


No, they are angry in the China City in Strict Lockdown.

And they reported some are Exchanging
Electric things for better Food

[arista]

The Downing Street Briefing
has now concluded.

[Vanessa]

The Omicron variant is milder.
We aren't seeing too many deaths or hospitalisations.
But we should still get vaccinated, so we don't overwhelm the NHS.

[bots]

i think the nhs is going to be stressed pretty heavily, but at this point any restrictions just wouldnt affect the numbers being infected quickly enough

We are starting to peak in london and the rest of the country will peak over the next couple of weeks. After that, there will likely be a substantial decrease in pressure pretty quickly

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just one Scottish Omicron patient required intensive care treatment in last five weeks

Official figures reveal that a single patient has required intensive care from the
Omicron variant in Scotland.

The figures also reveal that less than 100 individuals have required hospital
treatment in the five weeks since Omicron surfaced.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/just-one-scottish-omicron-patient-22629607

John Swinney, deputy first minister of Scotland, recently said: “What
we have got to recognise is that omicron is a serious threat to absolutely
everybody within our society and we have all got to take measures to protect
ourselves by limiting our social contacts and connections.”

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Hopefully he will lose his seat at the next election

[bots]

"The figures also reveal that less than 100 individuals have required hospital treatment in the five weeks since Omicron surfaced."

Crying out for a deeper lockdown i think

[arista]

[USA: Deputy DA and
rising California Republican star, 46,
who slammed COVID vaccine mandates
one month ago at Turning Point USA
rally dies after testing positive for the virus]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10368127/Rising-CA-Republican-star-slammed-COVID-vaccines-dies-testing-positive-virus.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline


Another Anti Vaxxer
dead.

[arista]

[USA hits record 1,082,549 COVID cases
in a single day but hospitalizations are well
below peak and deaths remain relatively low
at 1,688]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10368021/US-hits-record-1-082-549-COVID-cases-single-day.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

[USA:


Another Anti Vaxxer
dead.

It is unclear whether or not the 46-year-old was vaccinated against the virus

[arista]

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[Zizu]

You were specifically talking about Gtr Manchester.....as I live here also .

This is a tad worrying .,

Breaking news. Manchester hospitals are pausing non urgent surgery and appointments due to the rising impact of Covid


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[Crimson Dynamo]

This is a tad worrying .,

Breaking news. Manchester hospitals are pausing non urgent surgery and appointments due to the rising impact of Covid


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Non urgent surgery?

Isn't that what they park every flipping winter since Jesus was a lad?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola Sturgeon’s deputy ‘twisting data’ to justify Scotland’s strict Covid rules
John Swinney accused of misleading public after citing study that applied to week before new regulations came in

DT

[rusticgal]

Get vaccinated…stay safe and be sensible and we have to live alongside this…just like we do the flu.
I would like to know the stats on how many dying are actually unvaccinated then we might get a more realistic picture.

[arista]

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[arista]

BBC Text
["Killer psycho clowns in the Commons",
is the headline for the Daily Star,
which reports that ITV political editor Robert Peston
has described politicians as maniacs
who would kill to get their own way.]


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[AnnieK]

This is a tad worrying .,

Breaking news. Manchester hospitals are pausing non urgent surgery and appointments due to the rising impact of Covid


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I read that too. Its due to massive staff shortages from isolating with Covid rather than numbers being admitted. My friends husband should have had a hernia op today but its been cancelled for the second time until at least the end of January.

[arista]

Yes, 12 Hospitals are now reported
as Critical.


Early Debate on GMBHD itv.

[bots]

Macron seems to have lost the plot completely now. He wants to deny unvaccinated people access to just about anything

"I won't send [unvaccinated people] to prison," he said. "So we need to tell them, from 15 January, you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema."

[Nicky91]

Macron seems to have lost the plot completely now. He wants to deny unvaccinated people access to just about anything

"I won't send [unvaccinated people] to prison," he said. "So we need to tell them, from 15 January, you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema."

good on Macron :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/05/outbreak-team-says-lockdown-extension-likely-retailers-angered

Netherlands: outbreak team says lockdown extension likely, retailers angered

Due to uncertainties about the "important characteristics" of the Omicron variant, the Outbreak Management Team (OMT) is not in favor of a quick relation of Covid-19 measures, apart from reopening schools. For the time being, the experts estimated that "further room to relax measures is expected at the end of January." By then, the booster campaign should have been completed and the hope is that the virus spread will decrease sufficiently. The OMT will discuss the decision further on Friday.

Business owners were frustrated by the advice of the OMT. Some entrepreneurs said that Cabinet should end public appearances by the OMT. "You create much unrest. Entrepreneurs are going crazy," director of the retail stores association INretial Jan Meerman told De Telegraaf.

Shopkeepers were angered that the Cabinet seemed to act solely on the wish of the OMT and did not hear the needs of the business owners. "It's crazy that we are the only country in lockdown," chair of the hospitality union Robin Willemsen said.

The OMT had various calculations for different scenarios. When primary and secondary schools reopen on Monday, it is expected to trigger a "wave of infections" peaking at the end of January or early February. According to OMT, the hospital admissions resulting from the wave could remain relatively limited. The number of patients in the ICU could rise to a maximum of 620 Covid-19 patients. Now there are 475 people with Covid-19 in the ICUs.

The OMT said a significant degree of uncertainty remains around these factors. For example, it is not yet clear how contagious Omicron is, how likely the chance is to end up in hospital and how effective vaccines are.

Preliminary research from the United Kingdom showed that Omicron spreads more rapidly than the Delta variant but leads to fewer hospital admissions. Although Omicron appears to be milder than delta, there is still a risk it could overload the healthcare system, the OMT said.

Furthermore, it appears that vaccines are less effective against Omicron than against the earlier virus variants. In their latest advice, the OMT cited British research that a booster shot would offer 65 to 75 percent protection against infection with symptoms. Yet, according to the preliminary British figures, after ten weeks, that effectiveness has decreased to 40 to 50 percent. After a booster shot, people are 80 to 90 percent protected against hospitalization. How long the protection will be maintained will have become clear in further research

[Nicky91]

Get vaccinated…stay safe and be sensible and we have to live alongside this…just like we do the flu.
I would like to know the stats on how many dying are actually unvaccinated then we might get a more realistic picture.

i don't get vaccinated for the flu either :laugh:


omicron does not scare me, on the contrary i quite like what i read, about it more attacking the throat and not the lungs

[Nicky91]

i don't think i can get long covid with omicron variant for that particular reason, how it attacks the throat more, aw throatache is something what i had quite often already when i have a cold


also think it has same mild symptoms at unvaccinated with that variant, given they tested it on animals too, and those results were a match, more aimed at throat, rather than damage at the lungs


so i've read

[arista]

USA : Chicago teachers have refused to go in.


So many Teachers are off sick
with Omicron.


Same problem as the UK.



Reported on CNN HD Live

[user104658]

i don't think i can get long covid with omicron variant for that particular reason, how it attacks the throat more, aw throatache is something what i had quite often already when i have a cold


also think it has same mild symptoms at unvaccinated with that variant, given they tested it on animals too, and those results were a match, more aimed at throat, rather than damage at the lungs


so i've read


The virus taking root in the throat and upper respiratory system matches up with the spread, too. Because it’s not going “deeper” into the respiratory system, it has a shorter incubation period, and also, because the virus is most active in the upper parts it spreads more easily through just breathing, rather than coughing.

So they all go hand in hand really. Short incubation = virus roots in upper airways = faster spread + milder symptoms (as the severe symptoms are damage to the lungs and other organs/pneumonia).

Long Covid is at least partially thought to be neurological damage + damage to the heart etc. which should occur much less frequently in mild illness.

Of course, you can get PVFS (post-viral fatigue) from ANY virus (e.g. it’s very common after glandular fever) and general PVFS symptoms could easily be thought to be “long Covid”.

[Zizu]

Nicola Sturgeon spouting on LIVE tv as we speak ..

Typical political take on things

She claimed that false POSITIVE lateral flow tests account for only 3 in 10,000. ...

I’m more concerned with all the NEGATIVE lateral flow test results given they’re wildly unreliable at around 40% accurate according to one study as I recall


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[bots]

the lateral flow tests indicate if you are infectious for covid, in that they are very accurate

[arista]

[UK will be first ‘to go from pandemic
to epidemic’, says Zahawi
Vaccines mean another lockdown
is unlikely, says Zahawi

Britain will be the first big country to
use vaccines to end the pandemic,
a minister predicted this morning
as the government insists fresh restrictions are not needed.
Nadhim Zahawi, the education secretary,
said he was not complacent but argued that the
government’s plan was working and it had
been right to open up and allow
high infections throughout the summer.]


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-lockdown-is-unlikely-before-christmas-say-scientists-9pq5m2h3j

[Zizu]

USA : Chicago teachers have refused to go in.


So many Teachers are off sick
with Omicron.



Reported on CNN HD Live

I’m not at all surprised ... schools are nowhere near as safe as the government claim or the public believe .


The Chicago school’s chief seems perplexed at the decision to not return .

Check out the last sentence of the second photo .... so reassuring !!

“ we are ‘starting’ to deliver ‘some’ of the N95 masks that we have ‘ordered’ .. “

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

24.590 new cases

1.644 total hospitalisations, 147 new hospitalisations (day before 151 new patients in hospital, decrease of 4 in one day as for new patients)

459 total on ICU's/ventilators, 13 new ICU patients (day before 28 new, so a decrease of 15 in one day as for new patients)

39 new deaths



most of ICU's is now still from delta variant, but that one is slowly fading away by the day and omicron taking over more and more so RIVM expects ICU numbers to go down more, but does not rule out for hospitalisations to remain higher than we want them to

[Zizu]

Sky News

1 in 15 people in England had Covid .. 3.7 million Brits had Covid leading up to 31/12/21

Must be far more by now


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[Beso]

A quick explanation of omicrom compared to the past variants.

The past variants made their way into the lower part of the lung, causing the patient to basically drown.(lung conaolidation)

Omicrom remains in the tubes going into the lung( the bronchial passages), causing bronchial problems.


So what this means is we spew out the omicrom easier by coughing more, and sneezing. But the benefit off it is, the fact that it remains sticky in the passageways, to stop the big covid getting down to the bottom of the lung.

Your first 2 jabs made your body do this itself, so be brave, get another jab.


(In short, our bodies are causing omicrom as a defence against the covid. The injections gave it the clue)



Dr parmy.




Incase anyone still worried.

[arista]

Great Post Parmy.


Nice to have you back.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Sky’s Beth was rather unprofessional earlier ( again) as she was smiling when reporting that Starmer had tested positive for Covid

I recall one of her older , grey haired , male colleagues smiling as he reported Boris had Covid last year .. a short while later he was in intensive care

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[arista]

Sky’s Beth was rather unprofessional earlier ( again) as she was smiling when reporting that Starmer had tested positive for Covid



Could be nerves.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Scotland have cut down isolation from 10 to 7 days so im now out of isolation

[Zizu]

the lateral flow tests indicate if you are infectious for covid, in that they are very accurate


So what happened last year when it was reported that they were only 38% accurate ??

Wasn’t it a Liverpool clinic or university?


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[Zizu]

Could be nerves.


Beth doesn’t have nerves .. she basks in the glory and of live telly :)

Anyways she did it again a few minutes later when chatting with the three MPs


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[Zizu]

Politicians are just sooooo predictable !

In response to being told that his boss, Starmer was positive again and was self isolating for the 6th time ... Stephen Morgan ( Labour MP) immediately had a go at Boris for being careless then said that Starmer followed the Covid rules rigidly !

6 isolations kinda suggests the opposite, surely ?


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[bots]

So what happened last year when it was reported that they were only 38% accurate ??

Wasn’t it a Liverpool clinic or university?


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people are confusing things. A PCR test will indicate a positive for covid months after you have had it, but you are only infectious for a few days so it doesn't matter. The lateral flow test measures viral load and is very accurate at identifying when a person is infectious Someone could have caught covid a few days prior to that, but if they are not infectious they are no danger to anyone else. That is the purpose of a lateral flow test

[arista]

Live In Parliament
a Labour MP told the PM
Covid Tests kits locked up in a Warehouse.


If that is true
it should be on a Front Page.

[Beso]

Could be nerves.

Or she could be filling a jar with fart, under her desk

[user104658]

people are confusing things. A PCR test will indicate a positive for covid months after you have had it, but you are only infectious for a few days so it doesn't matter. The lateral flow test measures viral load and is very accurate at identifying when a person is infectious Someone could have caught covid a few days prior to that, but if they are not infectious they are no danger to anyone else. That is the purpose of a lateral flow test

Not necessarily true, you can register negative PCR results within days of symptomatic recovery. You would have to in order to travel if, for example, you were abroad and caught Covid and had to self-isolate. You can't travel until you're tested negative multiple times (PCR). Most people it's a week or so max after symptoms end.

[arista]

Wednesday 5/1/22

334 have Died
197,747 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,276


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
911

149,284 Total UK Deaths from Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

Here's a nice and currently reassuring graph, for anyone who is doubting the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing deaths. You can see quite clearly the dramatic difference between the pre-vaccine situation and now. I find it quite interesting that deaths still seem to be trending DOWNWARDS despite the staggering upturn in case numbers. Hopefully it won't be a different picture in a few weeks. If this wave peaks and comes back down with no major bumps on that red line... we'll have a pretty solid answer.

https://i.imgur.com/1uU1Nx0.png

[bots]

i think the covid deaths are predominantly legacy delta cases. I think it is a very real possibility that by the early summer we could be down to single figure or zero deaths. Maybe even sooner

[arista]

Live on Parliament Ch
the Education Secretary
And SkyNewsHD

[Zizu]

people are confusing things. A PCR test will indicate a positive for covid months after you have had it, but you are only infectious for a few days so it doesn't matter. The lateral flow test measures viral load and is very accurate at identifying when a person is infectious Someone could have caught covid a few days prior to that, but if they are not infectious they are no danger to anyone else. That is the purpose of a lateral flow test


Interesting..

So all the millions of LF tests being done on schools this week are worthwhile then ??

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[Zizu]

Or she could be filling a jar with fart, under her desk


Sadly no ... these media people on telly clearly don’t care about the health of other people .. I don’t care for Starmer as a politician ( I don’t like politicians lol ) but I certainly care for his well being

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[Zizu]

Live on Parliament Ch
the Education Secretary
And SkyNewsHD


Gawd help us all


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[MTVN]

Interesting..

So all the millions of LF tests being done on schools this week are worthwhile then ??

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Iirc that 'Liverpool pilot' was over a year ago now in 2020 and most studies more recently have shown LFTs are very accurate at identifying infection and are particularly accurate at showing positives when you are at your most infectious

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/afneil/statuses/1478769850977824769

Spectator Covid tracker now has Sage model comparison

[Zizu]

Iirc that 'Liverpool pilot' was over a year ago now in 2020 and most studies more recently have shown LFTs are very accurate at identifying infection and are particularly accurate at showing positives when you are at your most infectious


On the face of it it’s comforting although ...

We have been using the exact same LF tests as we had in 2020 more than 18 months + ago

Only just very recently were we sent a different batch and as if yesterday I heard there weren’t enough to go around for today’s batch of testing

With the current shortages I’m pretty sure schools will simply use the older ones rather than not testing


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[Alf]

So, that's Christmas over for another year.


QcbR1J_4ICg

[arista]

So, that's Christmas over for another year.


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[arista]

Johnson kept saying in Parliament
Plan B to end on the 26th of Jan.

But he said before in Downing St.
depending on the numbers of infections.

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[arista]

Italy makes Covid vaccinations compulsory for over-50s

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/05/italy-makes-covid-vaccinations-compulsory-for-over-50s

[Nicky91]

even if vaccinations are compulsory in my nation


i still won't get vaxxed

[bots]

even if vaccinations are compulsory in my nation


i still won't get vaxxed

how many times is that you have changed your story now?

[Nicky91]

how many times is that you have changed your story now?

my definite choice is a no


also told my mom


i am not scared of omicron, i actually like what i hear about omicron, if you get this variant, and recover you grow good defence against delta variant for example


and vaccine only works for 10 weeks :joker:




i am not a complete anti-vaxxer though, if there was a more dangerous variant, or entire more dangerous virus i would get vaxxed

[Nicky91]

but Bots, i am not against lockdown measures, any of the other covid measures


early 2020 we didn't have a vaccine, but numbers did go down with the right covid measures, wearing of masks compulsory, keeping our distances


this all changed into ''vaccination obsession'' relying on vaccines way too much


Africa for example, haven't got vaccines, but most african people have natural antibodies, from having recovered from the virus which are facts


now with Omicron i don't think we should ''fear'' this variant, as it takes root in the throat, and doesn't do damage to the lungs or anything more important to the body, throatache is very annoying i know, i have had that many times even without this virus but you got decent antiflu candies for that to make your throat more comfortable, idk if you guys in UK also have something like these we have in my nation
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[MTVN]

Nickys covid jab has been postponed and rearranged more times than the concert I had tickets for in March 2020

[Nicky91]

Nickys covid jab has been postponed and rearranged more times than the concert I had tickets for in March 2020

well i'm not the only one who hasn't been vaccinated from my age group here

i'm among 28% more or less


and most of those in my age group jabbed are only jabbed to go on holiday by plane :skull:

[arista]

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[arista]

even if vaccinations are compulsory in my nation


i still won't get vaxxed


Best time to do you
is while you are sleeping.

[Cherie]

jeez Nicky you will put your Mum in an early grave, she is only trying to get you to look after yourself and have less worry on her...

[arista]

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1479086324401512448


Is this Nicky's new Leader?


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[Nicky91]

Best time to do you
is while you are sleeping.

:omgno:

jeez Nicky you will put your Mum in an early grave, she is only trying to get you to look after yourself and have less worry on her...

no i'm not :shrug:


my parents aren't going for their booster jab either btw, they find it pointless to do since these jabs only work for 10 weeks

and my mom reassured me it is always my own choice and my own choice is no, has always been no

like i said if there was a more dangerous variant, things would look different i guess but i am not afraid of omicron and i am kinda hoping this one will be the dominant variant and that this one will save us all

[arista]

Thursday 6/1/22

213 Have Died
179,756 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,988

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
875


149,515 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[MTVN]

Most measures now flat as a pancake

[Mystic Mock]

Most measures now flat as a pancake

That's always been the case tbf.

[AnnieK]

Thursday 6/1/22

213 Have Died
197,756 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,988

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
875


149,515 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

You've transposed the case figures Arista....its 179,756 not 197,757

[Zizu]

You've transposed the case figures Arista....its 179,756 not 197,757


Maybe he got the figure from today’s Independent .. dated 6 hours ago


Nearly 195,000 people – a near-record – tested positive for coronavirus in the latest 24 hour recording period, continuing the sharp upward trend since the emergence of the Omicron variant.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-uk-hotspots-map-latest-b1987942.html?amp


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[Zizu]

Thursday 6/1/22

213 Have Died
197,756 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,988

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
875


149,515 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Isn’t that a huge jump up in hospitalisations - it was about 14,000 on catch-up Tuesday ( after the usual lower figures of Sat / Sun / Mon )

Who says that the new variant is just like a bad cold !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris playing an Omicron blinder?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Isn’t that a huge jump up in hospitalisations - it was about 14,000 on catch-up Tuesday ( after the usual lower figures of Sat / Sun / Mon )

Who says that the new variant is just like a bad cold !!


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Can you tell the thread what percentage arrived in hospital for reasons other than covid but when in hosp then tested pos?

Just s percentage will be fine?

If you don't knowjust state that

[Cherie]

Thursday 6/1/22

213 Have Died
197,756 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,988

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
875


149,515 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Vents not moving much at alll

[Zizu]

Vents not moving much at alll


So are you dismissing the 18,000 needing hospital treatment .. I’d imagine that they’re pretty poorly given that you have to be pretty bad for them to let you stay in longer than a few hours


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[Zizu]

Can you tell the thread what percentage arrived in hospital for reasons other than covid but when in hosp then tested pos?

Just s percentage will be fine?

If you don't knowjust state that


I don’t know .... who does ??

Fact is the hospitalisations are rising fast and some on here made little of this new , apparently milder strain .


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[bots]

The number on ventilator and the number of deaths are the critical numbers. If they remain flat or decrease then the rest of it will sort itself out in the next couple of weeks

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

So are you dismissing the 18,000 needing hospital treatment .. I’d imagine that they’re pretty poorly given that you have to be pretty bad for them to let you stay in longer than a few hours


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Not dismissing them at all, but as has been pointed out frequently and which you continually ignore 30% of those in those hospital numbers went in with something else and tested positive while there...i.e women having babies


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10312819/NHS-urged-stop-counting-thousands-Covid-patients-official-data-critics-say-QUA.html

NHS is urged to STOP counting thousands of Covid 'patients' who are actually being treated for other illnesses: Data shows a QUARTER of infected Brits in hospital were admitted for different conditions such as road accidents
Health service statistics show there were 5,697 beds taken up by people who had tested positive for the virus
But 1,483 of these were being treated for other illnesses or injuries such as a bad fall at home

[bots]

additionally, if people don't end up in intensive care, its a different level of care that is required. This is not the issue we were dealing with 12 or 18 months ago

[Beso]

I don’t know .... who does ??

Fact is the hospitalisations are rising fast and some on here made little of this new , apparently milder strain .


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No need to panic zizu, 94 percent of them are sent home within 2 days.

[Zizu]

No need to panic zizu, 94 percent of them are sent home within 2 days.


That’s reassuring ...


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[arista]

Friday 7/1/22

229 have Died
178,250 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,454

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868

149,744 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

You've transposed the case figures Arista....its 179,756 not 197,757

Thank You, Annie
Corrected the Original Post from Yesterday

[Cherie]

Friday 31/12/21

203 have Died
189,846 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
11,918

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868



148,624 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Friday 7/1/22

229 have Died
178,250 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,454

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868

149,744 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Covid falls for SECOND day in a row: Infections drop 6% in week to 178,250 amid signs
England's hospitalisations have peaked as Javid says boosters cut risk of severe illness by
90%

says Javid

[Zizu]

I work with a guy who’s one of the few who has avoided Covid thus far ..

He reckons it’s because he’s had a cocktail of jabs .. all three different !!

Thoughts ?


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[Zizu]

Getting back to variants ... supposedly getting milder each time ..



Isn’t there a chance of another , different pandemic/ coronavirus coming along in the near future or do they come around every hundred years or so ??
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[Crimson Dynamo]

I work with a guy who’s one of the few who has avoided Covid thus far ..

He reckons it’s because he’s had a cocktail of jabs .. all three different !!

Thoughts ?


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i bet he has got a very good Vitamin D level too

baked potatoes, oily fish, lots of walks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Getting back to variants ... supposedly getting milder each time ..



Isn’t there a chance of another , different pandemic/ coronavirus coming along in the near future or do they come around every hundred years or so ??
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Neem and Cherie meet up

:love:

[Zizu]

Neem and Cherie meet up

:love:


1921 ??


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[Cherie]

I work with a guy who’s one of the few who has avoided Covid thus far ..

He reckons it’s because he’s had a cocktail of jabs .. all three different !!

Thoughts ?


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Have you had covid?

None of my family have had it either here or in Ireland

[Crimson Dynamo]

1921 ??


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well it was going to be 8pm but Neems ferry was early

[Cherie]

Neem and Cherie meet up

:love:

:hee:

[Cherie]

Getting back to variants ... supposedly getting milder each time ..



Isn’t there a chance of another , different pandemic/ coronavirus coming along in the near future or do they come around every hundred years or so ??
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We have had many pandemics

Remember swine flu?

[AnnieK]

Many people who think they have avoided it could quite possibly have had it but been asymptomatic. I haven't had it but I think its more luck than anything else

[Cherie]

Many people who think they have avoided it could quite possibly have had it bit been asymptomatic. I haven't had it but I think its more luck than anything else

Maybe although I did an antibody test back in Sept 2020 and was negative

and we do regular lateral flows as well

[AnnieK]

Maybe although I did an antibody test back in Sept 2020 and was negative

and we do regular lateral flows as well

Oh I know, I honestly don't think I've had it, I test regularly but haven't done an antibody test so can't know for sure if I have actually had it or not. Most of Matthew's mates have had it but he hasn't as far as I know but they all had it before laterals were a regular thing

[bots]

i dont believe I've had it. We were all paranoid early 2020 where the least sniffle or tickle in the throat meant we could have covid :laugh:

The infection mechanism isn't as simple as it appears. My brother got covid oct/nov last year, his wife didn't. Then his wife got omicron just before new year and he didn't get it .... work that one out if you can :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dont believe I've had it. We were all paranoid early 2020 where the least sniffle or tickle in the throat meant we could have covid :laugh:

The infection mechanism isn't as simple as it appears. My brother got covid oct/nov last year, his wife didn't. Then his wife got omicron just before new year and he didn't get it .... work that one out if you can :laugh:

he probably had it with no symptoms

[bots]

he probably had it with no symptoms

nope he was testing regularly as he was flying

[Crimson Dynamo]

wfZ62aWf6pk

[Beso]

i dont believe I've had it. We were all paranoid early 2020 where the least sniffle or tickle in the throat meant we could have covid :laugh:

The infection mechanism isn't as simple as it appears. My brother got covid oct/nov last year, his wife didn't. Then his wife got omicron just before new year and he didn't get it .... work that one out if you can :laugh:

Separate beds::shrug:

[bots]

Separate beds::shrug:

nope :laugh:

[Cherie]

nope :laugh:

Well then....:fan:

[Cherie]

Mr C’s business partner whole family caught covid last year at Christmas...he got it again this year but none of his family did...they did lock him in the bedroom though :laugh:

[Zizu]

Have you had covid?

None of my family have had it either here or in Ireland


Not so far but I’m ultra careful and triple jabbed plus flu jab

Our daughter has had it twice


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[Zizu]

Covid falls for SECOND day in a row: Infections drop 6% in week to 178,250 amid signs
England's hospitalisations have peaked as Javid says boosters cut risk of severe illness by
90%

says Javid


Only in London .. everywhere else it’s up on last week apparently
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[bots]

yes, london is about a week or so ahead of the rest of the country. We know nothing for certain, but it looks like the infections/hospitalisations will peak over the next week and then it "should" be over the worst and fall pretty rapidly from there

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes, london is about a week or so ahead of the rest of the country. We know nothing for certain, but it looks like the infections/hospitalisations will peak over the next week and then it "should" be over the worst and fall pretty rapidly from there

And our herd immunity should be stellar

Thankyou Omicron

[arista]

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[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-7cf60381-1f90-4436-871a-918d7d34659f.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-8e4fe266-2d4b-4265-8f88-d43976a6a16b.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[Beso]

Mr C’s business partner whole family caught covid last year at Christmas...he got it again this year but none of his family did...they did lock him in the bedroom though :laugh:

The testimony of my friends who have had the new covid, have all said being locked on the bedroom is the worst part of the experience.

[glib]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-8e4fe266-2d4b-4265-8f88-d43976a6a16b.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

Since when has Louise Munchin been a vaccine expert

[MTVN]

1479485883254513670

[Crimson Dynamo]

fA-fvyGw-cc

[Cherie]

The testimony of my friends who have had the new covid, have all said being locked on the bedroom is the worst part of the experience.

Yeah the first time he got it he lost taste and smell and felt ill..this time no symptoms so it was very boring for him

[Zizu]

Yeah the first time he got it he lost taste and smell and felt ill..this time no symptoms so it was very boring for him


I’ve seen quite a few medical boffs claiming the NEW symptoms of Omicron are a bad headache , runny nose and fatigue ..

I’ve no idea why the NHS etc are still banging on about a flaming cough and loss of taste/smell .,

I work in a huge high school as you may know and I can’t even remember the last cough I heard..


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[Zizu]

fA-fvyGw-cc


Seems like a nice bloke ... he does kinda spout the obvious at times but at least he’s not scaremongering .

He says that we are all gonna get Covid ... makes me wonder how many of us have already had it ... it would be interested to get volunteers who haven’t had it to give a blood sample to see what % have had it without knowing .

All that said .. with all these damn variants I guess it doesn’t even matter if you’ve had an old variant as you can still get a new one


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[MTVN]

I had a bit of a cough when I had it but was more of a tickle, most of my friends had headaches but I never got that really although did have a sore throat and some fatigue for a couple of days

Agree that the NHS 3 original symptoms criteria is looking a bit dated now

[bots]

not everyone is going to get covid, that is just not true. If herd immunity truly kicks in, then a good proportion of the community just wont get covid because the virus has no place to go, so your chance of infection drops to near enough zero even if you havent had covid before. That's how herd immunity works

[user104658]

not everyone is going to get covid, that is just not true. If herd immunity truly kicks in, then a good proportion of the community just wont get covid because the virus has no place to go, so your chance of infection drops to near enough zero even if you havent had covid before. That's how herd immunity works

To be fair if it starts to head towards "common cold territory" then ALMOST everyone will have had it eventually... how many people do you know who don't catch a cold every now and then? It obviously scales with how much you're in public though. I had colds all the time when I was in a public-facing job, really have only had a few minor sniffles since I became an office/WFH recluse.

[bots]

A US teacher has been arrested after allegedly locking her Covid-positive son in a car boot to protect herself from exposure to the virus as she drove to a testing site, say local media.

Sarah Beam, 41, is reportedly charged with endangering a child.

A witness called police after hearing someone in the vehicle's trunk on 3 January at the site in Harris County, Texas, according to click2Houston.com.

The teacher reportedly opened the boot to reveal the boy lying inside.

Ms Beam said her 13-year-old son had tested positive for Covid-19 and she was taking him to the Pridgeon Stadium location for another test to confirm the result, according to local media.

She reportedly said she had placed the teenager in the car boot because she did not want to be infected herself.

A health worker told her there would be no coronavirus test until the boy was allowed to sit in the back seat of the car, reports ABC affiliate KTRK-TV.

Ms Beam has been working as a teacher at Cypress Falls High School since 2011, but is now on administrative leave, according to local media.

Cy-Fair ISD Police Department said: "CFPD was alerted that a child was in the trunk of a car at a drive-thru Covid-19 testing site earlier this week.

"Law enforcement conducted a full investigation, resulting in a warrant for arrest. Thankfully, the child was not harmed."

Sgt Richard Standifer, of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told local TV station KHOU 11 that the boy could have been seriously hurt if the vehicle had ended up in a collision.

"I have never heard of somebody being put in a trunk because they tested positive for anything," said Sgt Standifer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59919105

I can identify with that approach :joker:

[arista]

A Surgeon Doctor
Live on CNN HD
said because of the Covid Crisis
some patients that needed an Operation, Died.

It appears the USA is like the UK
even though they pay for Health care,


China's Covid is wrecking the World

[arista]

Saturday 8/1/21

321 Have Died
146,390 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,454


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868


150,057 UK Total Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Saturday 8/1/21

321 Have Died
146,390 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,454


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868


150,057 UK Total Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


So just over a 100% increase in deaths over seven DAYS !!


Maybe 80% increase in hospitalisations !!

Thank the lawd it’s a milder version


Saturday 1/1/22

154 deaths
162,572 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
Same as Yesterday (11,918)


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
Same a Yesterday (868)


148,778 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


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[arista]

Yes the Vents beds is the
same number as way back (31 /12/21) then. 868


I guess they could be the same.

Lets see tomorrow, though

[Cherie]

Wont some of those deaths be deaths that would have been put down to flu in normal times though? The age of the people who died would be helpful

[Cherie]

A US teacher has been arrested after allegedly locking her Covid-positive son in a car boot to protect herself from exposure to the virus as she drove to a testing site, say local media.

Sarah Beam, 41, is reportedly charged with endangering a child.

A witness called police after hearing someone in the vehicle's trunk on 3 January at the site in Harris County, Texas, according to click2Houston.com.

The teacher reportedly opened the boot to reveal the boy lying inside.

Ms Beam said her 13-year-old son had tested positive for Covid-19 and she was taking him to the Pridgeon Stadium location for another test to confirm the result, according to local media.

She reportedly said she had placed the teenager in the car boot because she did not want to be infected herself.

A health worker told her there would be no coronavirus test until the boy was allowed to sit in the back seat of the car, reports ABC affiliate KTRK-TV.

Ms Beam has been working as a teacher at Cypress Falls High School since 2011, but is now on administrative leave, according to local media.

Cy-Fair ISD Police Department said: "CFPD was alerted that a child was in the trunk of a car at a drive-thru Covid-19 testing site earlier this week.

"Law enforcement conducted a full investigation, resulting in a warrant for arrest. Thankfully, the child was not harmed."

Sgt Richard Standifer, of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told local TV station KHOU 11 that the boy could have been seriously hurt if the vehicle had ended up in a collision.

"I have never heard of somebody being put in a trunk because they tested positive for anything," said Sgt Standifer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59919105

I can identify with that approach :joker:

Same :laugh:

[MTVN]

1479847462798045190

[Cherie]

8th Jan 2021 we have come a long way forward

68,053 have caught Covid-19


1,325 Have Died today


Patients in hospital
Latest available
31,624

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,929


79,833 Total UK Deaths

[MTVN]

8th Jan 2021 we have come a long way forward

68,053 have caught Covid-19


1,325 Have Died today


Patients in hospital
Latest available
31,624

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,929


79,833 Total UK Deaths

That must offer some cheering perspective to even our gloomiest of members

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wont some of those deaths be deaths that would have been put down to flu in normal times though? The age of the people who died would be helpful

yes as flu deaths seem not to occur at all at the moment

so its all bundled into one

[user104658]

yes as flu deaths seem not to occur at all at the moment

so its all bundled into one


Flu deaths are not “bundled into” Covid deaths unless the person who died of Flu also had Covid, and I don’t think there have been any such cases in the UK yet.

[bots]

i checked Arista's figures against the official figures because i just don't believe that the number on ventilators has stayed exactly the same across england scotland and wales for something like a month, but that is what is being reported. Something isnt right there for sure

[Cherie]

Flu deaths are not “bundled into” Covid deaths unless the person who died of Flu also had Covid, and I don’t think there have been any such cases in the UK yet.

But covid deaths are logged 28 days after testing positive for covid so there will be some other deaths in there that are not from directly from covid some of which could be flu...we don’t know

[Cherie]

Saturday 11/12/21

132 have Died
54,037 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,387 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

i checked Arista's figures against the official figures because i just don't believe that the number on ventilators has stayed exactly the same across england scotland and wales for something like a month, but that is what is being reported. Something isnt right there for sure


They haven’t though

11/12/21

132 have Died
54,037 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,387 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

But covid deaths are logged 28 days after testing positive for covid so there will be some other deaths in there that are not from directly from covid some of which could be flu...we don’t know


A small percentage yea but the suggestion is that all flu deaths are for some reason being logged as Covid deaths. Flu deaths might have been mistaken for Covid deaths way back when we didn’t have reliable testing, but since then, it would as you say only be a death caused by flu of someone who also had a positive Covid test within 28 days before dying. In all probability it will have happened at some point, but only a small number of times. Most flu deaths will not be mistakenly counted in Covid figures. There seems to be some confusion about why we’re “not hearing about flu deaths” but that’s just because they’re not logging flu deaths (or any other deaths) daily like they do with Covid deaths and, as it’s always been, you only get those stats for the full year, once they’ve been compiled.

Deaths from flu and other non-Covid-related pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 were 20,523. This is largely consistent with pre-Covid years (approx 20,000 PA).

The data for 2021 will not be available until late 2022… they take a while to compile. But to say they don’t exist/aren’t being logged/seem to have stopped is nonsense, this data is easily and clearly available via ONS.

FWIW I think once the pandemic is “over” or more stable I think we will eventually get more accurate revised stats about Covid cases, deaths and fatality ratios. That will likely be beyond 2025. The data we get as “live updates” now is messy and unrefined… but as close to accurate as is possible without more in depth analysis.

[Zizu]

Sooooo an interesting snippet

Close schools or not ?


It turns out in the Netherlands one in 5000 kids, who get covid, suffer from MIS-C (Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children) and the doctors have no clue how long this will last and what to do about it. On tv this evening they interviewed a mother of whom her little daughter (5 yo?) got covid, recovered, but suddenly after recovery a few weeks later almost was suffocating because of inflammations and still the kid hasnot completely recovered and still the doctors can't tell what or how long.

1 in 5000 equates to 1,780 when we’re talking about 8.9 million pupils attending 24,400 schools in England in (2020/21)


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[Zizu]

A small percentage yea but the suggestion is that all flu deaths are for some reason being logged as Covid deaths. Flu deaths might have been mistaken for Covid deaths way back when we didn’t have reliable testing, but since then, it would as you say only be a death caused by flu of someone who also had a positive Covid test within 28 days before dying. In all probability it will have happened at some point, but only a small number of times. Most flu deaths will not be mistakenly counted in Covid figures. There seems to be some confusion about why we’re “not hearing about flu deaths” but that’s just because they’re not logging flu deaths (or any other deaths) daily like they do with Covid deaths and, as it’s always been, you only get those stats for the full year, once they’ve been compiled.

Deaths from flu and other non-Covid-related pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 were 20,523. This is largely consistent with pre-Covid years (approx 20,000 PA).

The data for 2021 will not be available until late 2022… they take a while to compile. But to say they don’t exist/aren’t being logged/seem to have stopped is nonsense, this data is easily and clearly available via ONS.

FWIW I think once the pandemic is “over” or more stable I think we will eventually get more accurate revised stats about Covid cases, deaths and fatality ratios. That will likely be beyond 2025. The data we get as “live updates” now is messy and unrefined… but as close to accurate as is possible without more in depth analysis.


I am pig sick of hearing people say that those who die in road accidents are being logged as Covid victims

They should track these Covid conspiracy theorists down and lock them up .. they are having such a negative effect imho


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[Cherie]

I am pig sick of hearing people say that those who die in road accidents are being logged as Covid victims

They should track these Covid conspiracy theorists down and lock them up .. they are having such a negative effect imho


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But the sad fact is they are if they have tested positive for covid in the previous 28 days...so why are you pig sick of that fact?

[bots]

it doesn't really matter how they collate data in the short term, provided it is done consistently, because what is most beneficial during a period like this is trends. Absolute numbers dont really mean anything to the layman.

Flu will still be happening, but the wearing of face masks, together with a solid uptake of the flu vaccine will have helped those figures a lot. The reason flu has been less of an issue the last 2 years is mask wearing and social distancing. It's pretty obvious really.

The same people vulnerable to covid are also vulnerable to flu so any mitigations against covid also help the flu

[user104658]

I am pig sick of hearing people say that those who die in road accidents are being logged as Covid victims

They should track these Covid conspiracy theorists down and lock them up .. they are having such a negative effect imho


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But the sad fact is they are if they have tested positive for covid in the previous 28 days...so why are you pig sick of that fact?


They are but for context, there are on average 4 or 5 road traffic deaths per day in the UK (1500 or so a year)… it’s not really relevant to say that 4 out of the 200 deaths might actually have been car crash victims. And that’s if all of those 4 or 5 were Covid positive within 28 days of dying which is highly unlikely. It will be at most one or two here and there. Not relevant at all to the overall stats.

I guess maybe people are massively over-estimating how many people die in car crashes?

(Thankfully) the truth about overall Death Stats is that most people die in old age (75+) and of various ailments, cancers, pneumonias, heart failure etc. but what could mostly just be termed “old age”.

[Zizu]

But the sad fact is they are if they have tested positive for covid in the previous 28 days...so why are you pig sick of that fact?


Because the stories are undermining the issues ..

Too many now believe that it’s just a government hoax and nobody is dying of Covid ... it’s no wonder it’s spreading like wildfire in Gtr Manchester


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Because the stories are undermining the issues ..

Too many now believe that it’s just a government hoax and nobody is dying of Covid ... it’s no wonder it’s spreading like wildfire in Gtr Manchester


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Tbh this Covid stuff is just insane imo.

On one corner we've got people believing it's a hoax (like you've said) and some of them also seem to think that Microchips are being planted in people through the Vaccine (thank you YouTube & Twitter) and then on the other corner we've got the "it's the end of the world" camp.

To me I believe that people should be being happy that we're not in the situation that we were in during 2020, but also acknowledge that the disease does exist and is a problem.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FInR3i2XIAAECYF?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

[Free lateral flow tests 'to be axed in weeks':
Mass testing devices could be limited
to those with symptoms, care homes, hospitals and
schools under plans to live with Covid and amid fears over
£6 BILLION contracts bill]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382481/Free-lateral-flow-tests-axed-weeks.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/08/21/52701523-10382481-image-a-43_1641678189594.jpg

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Apparently ... don’t know how accurate this story is but ..

Photos have been leaked/released clearly showing Djokovic on public engagements giving awards out to young people at the time he allegedly had Covid and should’ve isolating !!


He’s doomed .


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[Zizu]

Blimey ... Shrewsbury manager was a real healthy guy when he caught Covid ..

At one stage he was scared of going to sleep in case he didn’t wake up !!

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Blimey ... Shrewsbury manager was a real healthy guy when he caught Covid ..

At one stage he was scared of going to sleep in case he didn’t wake up !!

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its always exceptions that prove the rule

[Crimson Dynamo]

7SKDHfA82HA

[bots]

that guy has an agenda and quite frankly is talking bollocks. One of his first statements was that it was comparable with the flu, which is demonstrably untrue. I stopped watching at that point because it's clear what he is up to

[MTVN]

He's a known crank and anti-vaxxer, he said the other day that the aim of the booster program was mass depopulation

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/08/23/52705281-10382711-image-a-7_1641684211737.jpg

[Dr Clive Dix, chairman of taskforce from
December 2020 until April, called for return to 'new normality']

This Dr Dix (Ex-chief of the UK's vaccine taskforce)
is misleading posters like Alf

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382711/Ex-chief-vaccine-taskforce-calls-end-mass-vaccinations.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">FFS 🤦🏻*♀️ <a href="https://t.co/OaNVB4jBnd">https://t.co/OaNVB4jBnd</a></p>&mdash; Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1479946098223558657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Zizu]

that guy has an agenda and quite frankly is talking bollocks. One of his first statements was that it was comparable with the flu, which is demonstrably untrue. I stopped watching at that point because it's clear what he is up to


Do we know who he works for ??

Will they echo his thoughts I wonder ?

Is he even a properly qualified doctor ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Do we know who he works for ??

Will they echo his thoughts I wonder ?

Is he even a properly qualified doctor ?


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He gives all his credentials in the opening sequence

[Zizu]

He gives all his credentials in the opening sequence


Mmmmmm
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Also the guy hosting the site had only put up about 20 videos in the last 10 years .. and they were mainly musical ones plus a few dawg videos .. now he suddenly uploads an interview with a renowned conspiracy theorist ...

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Mmmmmm
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Also the guy hosting the site had only put up about 20 videos in the last 10 years .. and they were mainly musical ones plus a few dawg videos .. now he suddenly uploads an interview with a renowned conspiracy theorist ...

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Indeed he is almost as unreliable as SAGE

[bots]

i think it's fair to say that a lot of people have talked complete sh!te about covid, each to advance their own agendas. The media is also included in that.

This is where it's important to be able to use critical thought and form your own conclusions because at least 70% of the crap out there cant be trusted

[Zizu]

Indeed he is almost as unreliable as SAGE


It sounds like he went rogue :)

Some guy needing financial backing for his own ideas ( from his portfolio as he called it ) doesn’t fill me confidence tbh


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[Crimson Dynamo]

i think it's fair to say that a lot of people have talked complete sh!te about covid, each to advance their own agendas. The media is also included in that.

This is where it's important to be able to use critical thought and form your own conclusions because at least 70% of the crap out there cant be trusted

That is why Dr John Campbell is such a beacon

[Alf]

7SKDHfA82HAHow dare he mock our new religion.

He bad for giving an opinion that isn't the same as the Doctors from the television.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this doctor shares his views on immunity and not getting a jab

hOlEYcd1nyI

[Zizu]

That is why Dr John Campbell is such a beacon


I do like the guy but he has had a few blips of late ..

Off wiki ...

In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment.

A few weeks later, another widely-viewed video of his was used by anti-vaccination activists to support the misinformation that COVID vaccines cause widespread heart attacks, which he had not said.


COVID-19 misinformation
Further information: Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic
In November 2021, Campbell said in a video that ivermectin might have been responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. However, the drug had never been officially authorised for such use in the country—its use was merely promoted by the chair of a non-governmental medical association in Tokyo, and it has no established benefit as a COVID-19 treatment. Meaghan Kall, the lead epidemiologist for COVID-19 at the UK Health Security Agency, said that Campbell was confusing causation and correlation. Further, Kall said that there was no evidence of ivermectin being used in large numbers in Japan; rather, she said it "appears this was based on anecdata on social media driving wildly damaging misinformation".

In November 2021, Campbell quoted from a non-peer-reviewed journal abstract by Steven Gundry saying that mRNA vaccines might cause heart problems. Campbell said he was not sure about the claim or its quality, but did not mention the expression of concern that had been published for the abstract, saying instead that it could be "incredibly significant". The video was viewed over 2 million times within a few weeks and was used by anti-vaccination activists as support for the misinformation that COVID-19 vaccination will cause a wave of heart attacks. According to a FactCheck review, Campbell had in his video drawn attention to the poor quality of the research on which these claims were based, pointing to typos in the abstract, poor methodology, and a lack of clear data.


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[Zizu]

How dare he mock our new religion.

He bad for giving an opinion that isn't the same as the Doctors from the television.


I bet he’s best mates with David Ike and Uri Geller :)


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I do like the guy but he has had a few blips of late ..

Off wiki ...

In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment.

A few weeks later, another widely-viewed video of his was used by anti-vaccination activists to support the misinformation that COVID vaccines cause widespread heart attacks, which he had not said.


COVID-19 misinformation
Further information: Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic
In November 2021, Campbell said in a video that ivermectin might have been responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. However, the drug had never been officially authorised for such use in the country—its use was merely promoted by the chair of a non-governmental medical association in Tokyo, and it has no established benefit as a COVID-19 treatment. Meaghan Kall, the lead epidemiologist for COVID-19 at the UK Health Security Agency, said that Campbell was confusing causation and correlation. Further, Kall said that there was no evidence of ivermectin being used in large numbers in Japan; rather, she said it "appears this was based on anecdata on social media driving wildly damaging misinformation".

In November 2021, Campbell quoted from a non-peer-reviewed journal abstract by Steven Gundry saying that mRNA vaccines might cause heart problems. Campbell said he was not sure about the claim or its quality, but did not mention the expression of concern that had been published for the abstract, saying instead that it could be "incredibly significant". The video was viewed over 2 million times within a few weeks and was used by anti-vaccination activists as support for the misinformation that COVID-19 vaccination will cause a wave of heart attacks. According to a FactCheck review, Campbell had in his video drawn attention to the poor quality of the research on which these claims were based, pointing to typos in the abstract, poor methodology, and a lack of clear data.


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that was rectified immediately and like all science his stats and hypotheses are out theere to be peer reviewed corrected and improved

[arista]

Sunday 9/1/22

97 have Died
141,472 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital - same as yesterday
Not Updated (18,454)

Patients in ventilation beds - same as yesterday
Not Updated (868)

150,154 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Covid cases fall for FOURTH day in a row

[Niamh.]

This Omicron variant seems to be really mild

[MTVN]

This Omicron variant seems to be really mild

Your kids all recovered now Niamh? Did you manage to avoid it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This Omicron variant seems to be really mild

yes the media are fuming, no doubt another variant will come along soon

more transmissible than Omicron and deadlier than Delta

:rolleyes:

[Niamh.]

Your kids all recovered now Niamh? Did you manage to avoid it?Yeah, they're grand, my daughter didn't get sick with it at all and Luke was no worse than if he had a head cold. Me and Gavin didn't get it at all, miraculously [emoji28]

[user104658]

Yeah, they're grand, my daughter didn't get sick with it at all and Luke was no worse than if he had a head cold. Me and Gavin didn't get it at all, miraculously [emoji28]


There seems to be an element of pot luck, a friend of mine’s 4 year old had it and was coughing, sneezing and snotting on him and his wife for a full week (you can’t exactly isolate a 4 year old!) but neither of them caught it :think:.

[arista]

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[user104658]

Any realistic part of any “living with Covid” plan should involve funnelling resources into the NHS and sorting out immigration laws to (frankly) allow for free “no questions asked” movement of medical staff from anywhere in the world, attractive pay, and probably some sort of relocation assistance (subsidised good quality housing, maybe).

If they actually made a commitment to bolstering health services in a meaningful way then we’d be getting somewhere.

They won’t do that of course. Behind the curtain the Tories are still covertly trying to convert British healthcare into a heaving mess of competing private healthcare companies.

A plan like this needs a solid, cohesive, world class healthcare system and we don’t have one. Especially England & Wales, frankly. Scotland and NI are struggling for staff and resources but we do for now at least still have a consistent non-privatised healthcare system.

[arista]

A Mum on screen
GMBHD itv
will not let her 9 year old girl go to school
because of Covid-19.
Based in Wigan.

You seems scared.

[Crimson Dynamo]

g2k-bVcjiX4

[DemolitionRed]

I like Dr. John Campbell. He did a peer review on needle aspiration that's worth watching. Apparently when the vaccines were first released, it was advised that the needle should always be aspirated because the muscle is full of small blood vessels and if this vaccine was accidentally put into a small vessel, then it would be an IV dose and not intramuscular dose.
During trials, genetically modified mice had a blood vessel in their tail injected with the vaccination and many of them got a pulmonary embolisms.

When AZ assessed the validity of Dr. Campbells peer review, they agreed with his findings. For some reason, the powers that be decided it still wasn't necessary to aspirate. I can only think its to do with the none qualified nurses that have been trained to give this vaccine. Aspirating would take more training and more time. :conf:

[user104658]

I like Dr. John Campbell. He did a peer review on needle aspiration that's worth watching. Apparently when the vaccines were first released, it was advised that the needle should always be aspirated because the muscle is full of small blood vessels and if this vaccine was accidentally put into a small vessel, then it would be an IV dose and not intramuscular dose.
During trials, genetically modified mice had a blood vessel in their tail injected with the vaccination and many of them got a pulmonary embolisms.

When AZ assessed the validity of Dr. Campbells peer review, they agreed with his findings. For some reason, the powers that be decided it still wasn't necessary to aspirate. I can only think its to do with the none qualified nurses that have been trained to give this vaccine. Aspirating would take more training and more time. :conf:

My wife was baffled that they didn't aspirate, and then doubly baffled when she googled it afterwards and learned that the official advice for Covid vaccines has been that they don't have to. It's not that long ago she got her injection training and they absolutely hammered home the importance of aspirating at the time :think:.

[Zizu]

g2k-bVcjiX4


What the hell is Deltacron !?

It wasn’t even a thing when I went to bed last night :)


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[Zizu]

My wife was baffled that they didn't aspirate, and then doubly baffled when she googled it afterwards and learned that the official advice for Covid vaccines has been that they don't have to. It's not that long ago she got her injection training and they absolutely hammered home the importance of aspirating at the time :think:.


Sooooo .. when I had my first two jabs ( in hospital) I don’t know if they aspirated them BUT both nurses had to wait for the woman in charge to come and check the syringe before they rammed it into my arm .

Now when I had my booster and flu jab ( same day - different arm) the woman in the pharmacy booth just injected me .. no checking by anyone else .



“ Aspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, and a process that includes aspiration might be more painful for infants “


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[user104658]

What the hell is Deltacron !?


https://i.imgur.com/f5C42yJ.jpg

[Zizu]

https://i.imgur.com/f5C42yJ.jpg


Cool ... bit overdressed but cool nonetheless


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[DemolitionRed]

“ Aspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, and a process that includes aspiration might be more painful for infants “


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Blood vessels are closely intertwined with skeletal muscle tissues and because vaccinating is a blind procedure, aspirating just ensures the needle tip has gone into desired location. In many instances, it makes little difference when a vaccine is given intravenously versus intermuscular, but during the trials for the Covid vaccine, it was discovered that messenger RNA vaccines should never be given intravenously.

[DemolitionRed]

My wife was baffled that they didn't aspirate, and then doubly baffled when she googled it afterwards and learned that the official advice for Covid vaccines has been that they don't have to. It's not that long ago she got her injection training and they absolutely hammered home the importance of aspirating at the time :think:.

Doctors are always trained to aspirate as a cautionary measure. This is why Dr. Campbell was alarmed enough to investigate further.

[Zizu]

Deltacron !!



Scientists in Cyprus have found 25 cases of a strain of the coronavirus that they say combines elements of the delta and omicron variants, dubbing it “deltacron,” with a high proportion of the variant found in patients hospitalized for Covid-19, a professor involved in the identification of the new strain

Deltacron cases were found in 25 samples taken in Cyprus, of which 11 were from patients hospitalized with Covid and 14 from the general public, according to Cyprus Mail, a local English daily.

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[Cherie]

So I guess that means Omicron has watered down Delta, more good news!!!!!!

:pipe:

[bots]

Cyprus has a tiny population with little to no facilities. I would take everything with a large pinch of salt until it is proven elsewhere

[arista]

Sure African Botswana Omicron Covid
and India's Delta Covid
are Brothers

All From the Start in China.

[Zizu]

Cyprus has a tiny population with little to no facilities. I would take everything with a large pinch of salt until it is proven elsewhere


But if THEY have found 25 with poor testing /facilities doesn’t that suggest that there maybe thousands undiagnosed ?

Plus it’s a massively popular tourist destination soooooo

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[bots]

But if THEY have found 25 with poor testing /facilities doesn’t that suggest that there maybe thousands undiagnosed ?

Plus it’s a massively popular tourist destination soooooo

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absolutely not. I lived in Cyprus for several years, i know first hand what it's like. It's not to be trusted until verified. Bear in mind that the UK has had delta and omicron coexisting for the last 6 weeks or more with millions infected and there have been no examples of the same here.

[arista]

Meanwhile, in Australia


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[arista]

Monday 10/1/22

77 have died
142,244 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,665

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
844


150,230 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

absolutely not. I lived in Cyprus for several years, i know first hand what it's like. It's not to be trusted until verified. Bear in mind that the UK has had delta and omicron coexisting for the last 6 weeks or more with millions infected and there have been no examples of the same here.

Viruses are self-replicating, they don't "breed" so if this new strain has traits of both, it's a coincidental evolution of one of the strains not a "combination" of the two strains. Most likely would be a Delta variant with some spike mutations that make it spread more like Omicron.

An interesting tidbit I read a month or so ago is that previous mutations had been sort of linear (one leading to the next) but Omicron actually seemed to be an offshoot of early 2020 Covid (pre-"Kent"/Alpha), a totally different evolutionary pathway to Delta. Basically they're not parent/child or siblings, but rather distant cousins that share the same great-great-grandparent. I don't know if that held up to further study but it would go some way to explaining the apparently quite different symptoms.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Viruses are self-replicating, they don't "breed" so if this new strain has traits of both, it's a coincidental evolution of one of the strains not a "combination" of the two strains. Most likely would be a Delta variant with some spike mutations that make it spread more like Omicron.

An interesting tidbit I read a month or so ago is that previous mutations had been sort of linear (one leading to the next) but Omicron actually seemed to be an offshoot of early 2020 Covid (pre-"Kent"/Alpha), a totally different evolutionary pathway to Delta. Basically they're not parent/child or siblings, but rather distant cousins that share the same great-great-grandparent. I don't know if that held up to further study but it would go some way to explaining the apparently quite different symptoms.


Yes the people who released Covid 19 then released Omicron to end the pandemic

Their work, so far is done



:skull:

[bots]

the latest i heard is that having had a cold previously can increase your protection against omicron, which makes sense given omicron symptoms are similar to that of a common cold.

The problem we have is that there is so much bollocks out there it's best to ignore most of it until there is at least some solid verification

[Zizu]

absolutely not. I lived in Cyprus for several years, i know first hand what it's like. It's not to be trusted until verified. Bear in mind that the UK has had delta and omicron coexisting for the last 6 weeks or more with millions infected and there have been no examples of the same here.


Ok thanks !


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[arista]

China has put the Port Tianjin
into Part Lockdown

13million there

CNN HD

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

27.993 new cases

1.535 total hospitalisations, 115 new patients

405 total on ICU's/ventilators, 21 new patients

5 new deaths

[arista]

Number of your Cases is what
Nicky?

Is your close to 28,000?


For Example
we in the UK have
142,244 have caught Covid-19

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[DemolitionRed]

the latest i heard is that having had a cold previously can increase your protection against omicron, which makes sense given omicron symptoms are similar to that of a common cold.

The problem we have is that there is so much bollocks out there it's best to ignore most of it until there is at least some solid verification

I know a number of people who have had Omicron including my niece who is both overweight and diabetic. The symptoms appear to be mild.

[arista]

Omicron

USA has just had over 60million cases
India has 35million cases
France has 12million cases
Italy has 7.4million cases
Spain has 7million cases

Reported on Gravitas WION HD Ch523 on SkyHD


USA Report on NBC news today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub29SE8eyPI

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

The number of people under 60 UK who died from Covid 19 with no comorbidities or other vulnerability?

640

Source Talkradio just now

[user104658]

The number of people under 60 UK who died from Covid 19 with no comorbidities or other vulnerability?

640

Source Talkradio just now

I doubt that can be true - while "only" around 10,000 (or the 150,000) deaths have been under 60's, it seems unlikely that only 6% of those had no underlying condition. Unless they're being extremely lenient on what's considered an underlying condition (e.g. the vast majority of people in the UK are slightly overweight - it shouldn't be considered a medical comorbidity unless they are actually obese).

[user104658]

HOWEVER yes I think focus is taken off of age at times. I know there's a sort of moral outrage stance of "it doesn't matter!!" but... well... it does matter, especially when it comes to interpretting stats and what they mean. This is a graph (whole pandemic) of deaths per 100k population by age group. What it shows is really quite stark.

https://i.imgur.com/LC9bbQV.png


Basically based on this data... infected demographic is going to play an absolutely MASSIVE role in case fatality rate. Even if there were NO vaccines, NO herd immunity from previous infection, NO "milder strain" ... full on OG Covid running rampant...

If the vast majority of infections are in the under-60's then death rates are going to look massively reduced compared to the first wave and winter 2020/2021 when it was sweeping through care home settings.

If the infected demographic was mainly under 40's it'd look like a mild illness with a few random severe reactions (as with any illness).

If the infected demographic was mainly under 25 it would never even have registered on anyone's radar.

Or in other words

If the rumours are true and Covid is currently sweeping through younger demographics - schools, universities, various social scenes - then the death stats are going to be flat as a pancake and the data means nothing in terms of anything else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

HOWEVER yes I think focus is taken off of age at times. I know there's a sort of moral outrage stance of "it doesn't matter!!" but... well... it does matter, especially when it comes to interpretting stats and what they mean. This is a graph (whole pandemic) of deaths per 100k population by age group. What it shows is really quite stark.

https://i.imgur.com/LC9bbQV.png


Basically based on this data... infected demographic is going to play an absolutely MASSIVE role in case fatality rate. Even if there were NO vaccines, NO herd immunity from previous infection, NO "milder strain" ... full on OG Covid running rampant...

If the vast majority of infections are in the under-60's then death rates are going to look massively reduced compared to the first wave and winter 2020/2021 when it was sweeping through care home settings.

If the infected demographic was mainly under 40's it'd look like a mild illness with a few random severe reactions (as with any illness).

If the infected demographic was mainly under 25 it would never even have registered on anyone's radar.

Or in other words

If the rumours are true and Covid is currently sweeping through younger demographics - schools, universities, various social scenes - then the death stats are going to be flat as a pancake and the data means nothing in terms of anything else.

WOuld that graph not be the same for influenza in terms of profile?

[Zizu]

The number of people under 60 UK who died from Covid 19 with no comorbidities or other vulnerability?

640

Source Talkradio just now


That’s 640 per 100,000


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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The flu

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands numbers of last 7 days

almost 202.000 positive covid tests 77% more than the week before

over last 7 days a total of 888 new hospitalisations, 7% less than the week before's total

last 7 days total of new ICU patients, 112, 40 less than the week before's total of 152




most positive covid tests are in age group of 15-29 44% to be precise


and majority positive covid tests are also from the Omicron variant

[MTVN]

Netherlands numbers of last 7 days

almost 202.000 positive covid tests 77% more than the week before

over last 7 days a total of 888 new hospitalisations, 7% less than the week before's total

last 7 days total of new ICU patients, 112, 40 less than the week before's total of 152




most positive covid tests are in age group of 15-29 44% to be precise


and majority positive covid tests are also from the Omicron variant

Lockdown going well then