Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[arista]

Starmer recorded
on now.


He supports the Government's plan

He supports the NHS


On SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
ITV1HD

[arista]

starmer is going to have to say that boris is a lying wee ****, but we should all trust him blindly in this ..... it's farcical


Not on 5mins Recorded
it was the same as Johnson PM.


No time to waste at 7PM ITV1HD and BBC1HD.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the actual state of it:umm2:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How many people have died from Omicron in the UK?<br><br>How many are in hospital?<br><br>How many are on ventilators?<br><br>The answer from Health Secretary <a href="https://twitter.com/sajidjavid?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sajidjavid</a> might surprise you.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KayBurley?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KayBurley</a> FM <a href="https://t.co/m1YVfw09Uo">pic.twitter.com/m1YVfw09Uo</a></p>&mdash; Kay Burley (@KayBurley) <a href="https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1470295636293599232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[joeysteele]

Not on 5mins Recorded
it was the same as Johnson PM.


No time to waste at 7PM ITV1HD and BBC1HD.


He said correctly he'd be supporting the plan B measures.
Urged the booster jabs.

It's right in my view on this, at this time, he is in line with the government position.
(Although he and Labour did want masks at leastto remain after July plus working from home when possible, which I think should have been carried on).

[Crimson Dynamo]

The scientist who discovered Omnicron is live now on GB news

debunking the fearmongering of the Governments here

MlzezWM2T9Q

[arista]

the actual state of it:umm2:




No LT that is out of date AM today
He has since spoken In Parliament

[Crimson Dynamo]

No LT that is out of date AM today
He has since spoken In Parliament

and??

iv just watched the scientist who discovered
the new virus in SA

not some sycophantic jobsworth MP trying to save his wretched job who is as thick as pig****

[Zizu]

starmer is going to have to say that boris is a lying wee ****, but we should all trust him blindly in this ..... it's farcical


Starmer is a complete imbecile..

He’s said that the argument that we don’t know enough about Omicron doesn’t stack up any yet Sky have just had three highly qualified medical experts on who all agreed that it’s soon to make any real decisions about Omicron as we just don’t know enough about it yet ...

He’s also apparently said that the government should have acted sooner as regards the push to get everyone to have a booster ... helpful... not


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Starmer is a complete imbecile..



+1

[arista]

and??

iv just watched the scientist who discovered
the new virus in SA

not some sycophantic jobsworth MP trying to save his wretched job who is as thick as pig****


Yes I watched as well.
On GBNewsHD

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[bots]

Apparently omicron is currently infecting 200k people every day and that is rising by 250% every 2.5 days, so, by thursday it will be 500k a day, by saturday it will be 1.5 million a day :skull:

[Alf]

Apparently omicron is currently infecting 200k people every day and that is rising by 250% every 2.5 days, so, by thursday it will be 500k a day, by saturday it will be 1.5 million a day :skull:Do you have the stats for the past 30 years of how many people got infected with the flu around this time of year?

If you don't remember the flu, it was an infection that existed before the year 2020, and then just like magic, it disappeared.

[Zizu]

Do you have the stats for the past 30 years of how many people got infected with the flu around this time of year?

If you don't remember the flu, it was an infection that existed before the year 2020, and then just like magic, it disappeared.


It don’t think it disappeared as such ... I’m guessing that Covid simply took most of it’s victims /hosts


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[Cherie]

Do you have the stats for the past 30 years of how many people got infected with the flu around this time of year?

If you don't remember the flu, it was an infection that existed before the year 2020, and then just like magic, it disappeared.

:laugh:

[bots]

Do you have the stats for the past 30 years of how many people got infected with the flu around this time of year?

If you don't remember the flu, it was an infection that existed before the year 2020, and then just like magic, it disappeared.

don't shoot the messenger, if you want to contribute constructively, why don't you go find that data if it interests you and inform us all

[Alf]

don't shoot the messenger, if you want to contribute constructively, why don't you go find that data if it interests you and inform us allIt just sounded like you was interested in all this medical data so I was just wondering whether you had any information on the flu, because it's an odd story of one day it being there and the next day just vanishing.

[arista]

Australia is Still demanding
Zero Covid.

They will have to Control their Borders better

[bots]

its not possible to stop a variant spreading across the world and in this case, if it does prove to be milder, opening borders to it may actually save lives, an argument that sadly isn't being given much attention but is very likely to be true

[Crimson Dynamo]

It cant be stopped it has to be managed

[arista]

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Yes going on Sunday at 8PM on ITV1HD and BBC1HD
backed by the Labour Leader, ITV1HD and BBC1HD on Monday
The Prime Minister got the 3rd Jab going.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10307609/Jab-booking-chaos-saw-4-4MILLION-try-book-slot-just-545-000-one.html

[arista]

LBC says PCR tests have stopped.
It's not availble
No stock.


He said still availble by Post, though

[Cherie]

LBC says PCR tests have stopped.
It's not availble
No stock.


He said still availble by Post, though

that's one way of bringing the infection rate down :laugh:

[bots]

doesnt it make you feel all warm inside when it seems like we have another health secretary that is particularly short in the cerebral department

[user104658]

its not possible to stop a variant spreading across the world and in this case, if it does prove to be milder, opening borders to it may actually save lives, an argument that sadly isn't being given much attention but is very likely to be true


In principle this is a good point however the “Omicron is milder” narrative has grown legs and started to run way, waaay before enough data is available to actually make this claim with any certainty. There are some observed and anecdotal indications that it might be milder. You can’t forge ahead with a policy based on it being milder until there’s at least some actual science behind that idea. “Some South African doctors said!” isn’t science.

[Zizu]

LBC says PCR tests have stopped.
It's not availble
No stock.


He said still availble by Post, though


Stopped where though ?

Presumably just part of London , surely the whole country can’t have run out ?!


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[arista]

Stopped where though ?

Presumably just part of London , surely the whole country can’t have run out ?!





Stock ran out
but Posting them are fine.

[arista]

Examples from Non Free :


Private £59 deal has them
other charges for Motorbike pick up.


https://www.privatecoronavirustests.com/product/coronavirus-pcr-swab-test-day-2-amber


Or Same Company Same Day £79
other charges on top.

https://www.privatecoronavirustests.com/product/coronavirus-testing-kit-same-day

[user104658]

Stock ran out
but Posting them are fine.


Johnson has said you must test each day
to find out.

His new rules caused this


That’s LF tests, nothing to do with any PCR test shortage (if there is one).

[Alf]

Triple jabbed mask wearer


1470381527108362240

[user104658]

Triple jabbed mask wearer



Sagittarius, had a caesar salad for lunch yesterday, small white cat called Mittens.

[Alf]

Sagittarius, had a caesar salad for lunch yesterday, small white cat called Mittens.Is this from the Daily Star cryptic crossword?

[arista]

That’s LF tests, nothing to do with any PCR test shortage (if there is one).


Thank You for that Correction
TS.

They were short stock
but getting better now

[arista]

Health Secretary
is Live in Parliament again

Ponce Mark Harper MP
demand's Parliament must be opened
again, if he brings in rushed measures
next week


Javid can not Confirm.


Labour MP's
want Sick Pay/

[Nicky91]

Netherlands, tonight new covid press conference

evening lockdown extended with 1 extra month until at least January 14th

pubs, restaurants and non-essential stores must close at 17:00 PM CET

this too means no amateur sports or going to the gym after that time


primary schools will close one week earlier than expected because of the omicron variant

because these schools will close quite soon from now the school officials are trying to place vulnerable children and/or children with parents who have essential jobs in daycare centres

schools are being asked to educate the children from home, but our parliament will be very understanding if this isn't possible

special education schools remain open for the time being with the 1.5 metre social distancing and wearing face masks in hallways



OMT member and Virologist Marion Koopmans has requested that the DA will do something about various hate mails she and other OMT and RIVM employees have received, on twitter she has shared one of these nasty hate mails

https://twitter.com/MarionKoopmans/status/1470455194165161984

what the solution is, she does not know but OMT has stated they support her with this claim

[arista]

"pubs, restaurants and non-essential stores must close at 17:00 PM CET"


Good Move
From Your Leader, in Netherlands

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨🚨🚨 | BREAKING: The Sunday Times’ data expert Tom Calver: “The theory that Omicron causes milder symptoms is becoming very hard to ignore.</p>&mdash; Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) <a href="https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1470654489241829378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arista]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨🚨🚨 | BREAKING: The Sunday Times’ data expert Tom Calver: “The theory that Omicron causes milder symptoms is becoming very hard to ignore.</p>&mdash; Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) <a href="https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1470654489241829378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Yes Milder,
Health Secretary is saying that
now in Parliament.

[arista]

China getting angry
2 New Omicron Cases in China
near a Port.

Now Shut Down.


CNN HD Business Live.

[arista]

The SNP Leader is now Live SkyNewsHD


Parliament Ch. for The UK Health Secretary.

[bots]

3 household limit in scotland

[arista]

3 household limit in Scotland


Yes she is Getting Strict.

[arista]

Later today the New Plab B for England
measures are expected to be Passed in Parliament this evening,
due to Labour backing the plans.

[arista]

All 11 Nations on the Red List
from tomorrow morning 4AM
REMOVED


Health Secretary Live

[arista]

The Labour Shadow Health Secretary
Wes Streeting is Live

Telling them all Labour is helping the Nation
by backing Plan B.

[bots]

the 3 household limit in scotland isn't law because she knows people will just ignore it

[user104658]

Nothing in Scotland that affects me personally as yet so that’s all that matters really.

[Cherie]

China getting angry
2 New Omicron Cases in China
near a Port.

Now Shut Down.


CNN HD Business Live.

what have they got to be angry about ...

[Cherie]

Nothing in Scotland that affects me personally as yet so that’s all that matters really.

Now now you are beginning to sound like a right winger :hehe::laugh:

[Cherie]

All 11 Nations on the Red List
from tomorrow morning 4AM
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makes sense given the UK probably has more cases than them :laugh:

[arista]

what have they got to be angry about ...


Omicron in China.


At that Port,
They Shut it down.

Testing Everyone Fast.

[arista]

makes sense given the UK probably has more cases than them :laugh:


Yes will soon be that way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

3 household limit in scotland

is the suggestion

[Strictly Jake]

Something odd going on if we are being told 250 are in hospital with Omicron yet it's only 9. Booster chaos etc. It's almost like they want a mass panic to keep minds occupied. Wonder if there was a big news story last week that we have forgotten about...hmm I can't seem to recall one...anyway boosters

[Crimson Dynamo]

Something odd going on if we are being told 250 are in hospital with Omicron yet it's only 9. Booster chaos etc. It's almost like they want a mass panic to keep minds occupied. Wonder if there was a big news story last week that we have forgotten about...hmm I can't seem to recall one...anyway boosters

all day long going on about 1 Omicron death but no facts about who it was - ie a 98year old man with stage 4 cancer who tested positive after he came into hospital and nothing to do with his death

BUT WONT SOMEONE THINK ABOUT HOW TRANSMISSIBLE IT IS!!

HELP, PANIC, DEATH, NHS IN TURMOIL


all day loing on the radio people phoning in saying how empty hospital's are at the moment...

[Crimson Dynamo]

meanwhile the lady scientist who discovered it in SA saying the exact opposite our fearmongering governments are :whistle:

[arista]

"1 Omicron death but no facts about who it was"


Yes LT they are keeping it secret.

Someone could leak who it was.

[Cherie]

"1 Omicron death but no facts about who it was"


Yes LT they are keeping it secret.

Someone could leake who it was.

you wanted a leek

here you go

https://i.imgur.com/lu34Oc2.jpg

[arista]

Very Nice Cherie.

[arista]

Tuesday 14/12/21

150 have Died
59,610 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,672

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,627 UK total of Covid-19 Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

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You can see that areas in Scotland appear to be levelling off again.

No changes to hospital numbers, and deaths in Scotland are averaging just 9 over 7 days which is very low.

https://img.youtube.com/vi/WmWbNMSpHy0/maxresdefault.jpg

[Alf]

don't worry, trump has our backs. Just ride it out a bit longer.1470355796571656193

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank goodness for MPs like this:

ecK0nX3nPAI

[arista]

1st Parliament Vote Votes on Face Covering

441 Yes
41 No


2nd Parliament Vote Covid Certification

369 Yes
126 No

[Crimson Dynamo]

not one person making policy has ever lost one day's wages due to the pandemic....THAT IS THE PROBLEM

[arista]

Parliament NHS Mandatory Vaccine
3rd vote Final Vote


385Yes
100 No

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parliament NHS Mandatory Vaccine
3rd vote Final Vote


385Yes
100 No

meanwhile the Great British Public...

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[Zizu]

Triple jabbed mask wearer


1470381527108362240


I read that lateral flow tests are less reliable than a toss of a coin ..

Let’s see her PCR test result


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[Zizu]

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How is that gonna help the fight to suppress Omicron ??


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[bots]

i think its very rare for a LF test to show a false positive, so its not exactly a toss of a coin. With vaccination, a person could be infected, but not enough to trigger a positive test (low viral load), which would mean they wouldnt be infectious either, so the tests are very useful

[bots]

How is that gonna help the fight to suppress Omicron ??


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there are no reasons to have border restrictions when an infection is already in the majority in the county. Its only useful right at the very start, and even that is highly debatable

[Alf]

Parliament NHS Mandatory Vaccine
3rd vote Final Vote


385Yes
100 NoAll that means is that nearly 400 MPs think it's perfectly fine and logical to sack 60,000+ NHS staff.

Get ready for a real pandemic.

[Alf]

You need hospital treatment? Fook you, we ain't got the staff. You can just suffer or die instead.

[Alf]

Those 60,000+ NHS staff may as well quit now in the middle of winter, I'm sure many of them will. Why wait until April? Just leave now and find other employment.

[Alf]

Certification Of Vaccination Identification


Objective reached

[user104658]

Certification Of Vaccination Identification


Objective reached

A Load of Foolishness

[Alf]

A Load of FoolishnessAnswer Le Tis. Are you?

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[user104658]

Answer Le Tis. Are you?

1470860426619592705


When did I call vaccine passports a conspiracy theory? :think:

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[Zizu]

So a South African GP just said on Sky News that Omicron has 30+ mutations yet we’re being told it has 50+ mutations .


Quite a difference


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[bots]

with over 100 tory mp's voting against further restrictions last night, Boris has basically been warned that they wont accept any more. If he tries to impose further restrictions next week, I can see him being removed as leader

[AnnieK]

Schools are apparently planning contingencies fir the need to return to home learning in January. :bawling:

[Zizu]

Schools are apparently planning contingencies fir the need to return to home learning in January. :bawling:


Staff absences due to Covid meant our year 9 pupils were all working from home yesterday ( they probably didn’t ) ... today it’s year 10 students working at home ( they probably won’t ) .


They will all be set work via Google Classroom but there will be no LIVE teaching as there simply isn’t enough staff to monitor them so they will basically having a jolly apart from the minority.


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[arista]

with over 100 tory mp's voting against further restrictions last night, Boris has basically been warned that they wont accept any more. If he tries to impose further restrictions next week, I can see him being removed as leader


If he does bring in any New Measures
they will recall Parliament.
Grant Shapps MP confirmed.

[user104658]

Schools are apparently planning contingencies fir the need to return to home learning in January. :bawling:


To be fair that doesn’t mean it will happen or is even a strong possibility - they just don’t want to be caught unprepared if it was to happen.

[LaLaLand]

Schools are apparently planning contingencies fir the need to return to home learning in January. :bawling:

Schools around here are finishing for Christmas early on Friday and “learning from home” for the final few days next week (not that any kids are going to do any work on a week off right before Christmas).

All in the hope an extra few days out of the classroom/school environment can help suppress cases.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/14/full-list-dutch-coronavirus-restrictions-december-14

full list of netherlands covid restrictions as of december 14th

Measures and urgent advice
Everyone in the Netherlands must stay at home as much as possible. And limit their contacts if they do leave the house
Keep 1.5 meters apart from others wherever you go.
Do not receive more than 4 people aged 13 or older per day at home. Do not visit more than one household per day.
If you visit others, do a Covid-19 self-test first
People aged 70 and older are urged to limit their contacts as much as possible, including with children. And keep 1.5 meters away from anyone they do have contact with.
Everyone aged 13 and older must wear a mask in and around public transport, walking around school, or in public indoor spaces like shops, museums, and the catering industry.
Coronavirus access passes remain required for everyone aged 13 and up entering hospitality businesses, cinemas, theaters, concert halls, museums, historical monuments, casinos, event locations, trade fairs, and conferences. Fixed seats and social distancing also apply here.
All locations and events must close from 5 p.m. to 5 a.m.
Essential stores, like supermarkets and drugstores, can remain open until 8 p.m.
Specific services like the notary or lawyer, mortgage advisor, and medical contact professions can have normal opening hours.
Amateur sports matches and practices are banned from 5 p.m. to 5 a.m.
Elite athletes are not forbidden to compete and train from 5 p.m. to 5 a.m. without an audience.
Professionals in arts and culture are allowed to rehearse from 5 p.m. to 5 a.m. without an audience.
At transfer locations, a maximum of 1 visitor per 5m2 applies
In higher education, a maximum group size of 75 people at 1.5 meters apart applies
In theaters and concert halls, the maximum group size is 1,250 at 1.5 meters apart
Work from home unless absolutely impossible. If you have to go to work, stay 1.5 meters away from others.

Previous measures that remain in effect
Coronavirus access passes are required for those 18 and up entering indoor sports facilities, sports club canteens, and arts and culture rehearsal facilities, practice halls, and workshops.
Face masks are required at indoor public locations wherever coronavirus passes are not required.
Maintaining 1.5 meters of distance is required wherever coronavirus passes are not required.
Fixed assigned seats are required for all hospitality business customers.
Audiences are not allowed to attend professional sports competitions.
People are strongly advised to enter quarantine if a housemate tests positive for the coronavirus infection. This includes vaccinated and unvaccinated housemates.
Face masks should be worn by primary school students in Groups Six, Seven, and Eight when they are not in the classroom.
Face masks should be worn by all secondary school students when they are not in the classroom.
Children under 12 years of age cannot go to school if they have a mild cold, runny nose, or stuffed nose. They must stay home until they have been symptom-free for 24 hours, or until they test negative at a GGD test location.
Children under the age of 12 should be kept separate from those over 70 years of age.
Household guests should take a coronavirus self-test beforehand.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/14/rutte-cant-ignore-covid-omicron-variant-must-close-schools-early-extend-lockdown

Rutte: can't ignore covid omicron variant, must close schools, extend lockdown

The Cabinet confirmed its decision to close primary schools one week before the winter vacation, and extend the evening lockdown by one month. Additionally, after school care must also close from Friday, but will be allowed to reopen during the holiday period. That should mean that the childcare centers can reopen from December 27, and schools reopen on January 10.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte called the it a “setback,” but said it should not come as a surprise. He and Health Minister Hugo de Jonge said the decision was largely made out of concern for the Omicron variant of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Rutte said that it appeared as if the Netherlands has gone beyond the peak of the current coronavirus wave, but the number of infections is still high, over 300 new Covid-19 patients are still admitted to hospitals daily, and the hospitals still have a high number of Covid-19 patients in active treatment.

At the same time, concern over the Omicron variant led De Jonge to announce an ambitious and rapid scaling up of the Covid-19 booster shot campaign. The Netherlands was among the last in the European Union to start with boosters, and the country sits near the bottom for boosters given, even as it reached 1 million jabs last week. As of today, everyone over 60 is now able to make an appointment for a booster. The goal is to expand that to all residents over 45 by the end of next week, and all adults by mid-January. The booster jab can be administered to anyone who received their last vaccine dose at least three months ago, instead of six.

"Worrying does not help combat the virus. Vaccination does. If you have not yet been vaccinated, the Omicron variant is the reason to rethink vaccination,” De Jonge said.

[arista]

[If you visit others, do a Covid-19 self-test first]


Yes thats good.
In the Netherlands

[arista]

Those 60,000+ NHS staff may as well quit now in the middle of winter, I'm sure many of them will. Why wait until April? Just leave now and find other employment.


No, many are now getting the Jabs

[bots]

the doubling time of omicron is now less than 2 days with explosive rises in infection in london and manchester - from Jenny Harris

So .... if it's not mild, we will soon know about it

[Crimson Dynamo]

the pingdemic will be back for sure

[bots]

the pingdemic will be back for sure

yep, it's going to be crazy

[user104658]

the pingdemic will be back for sure


Doubt it, everyone ditched the app.

[Cherie]

Doubt it, everyone ditched the app.

They will be putting it back on so they can get off work over Christmas :laugh:

[bots]

another Boris press conference tonight at 17:00 ....

[Niamh.]

https://i.imgur.com/Ql0ZhTF.jpeg

[arista]

another Boris press conference tonight at 17:00 ....


With 2 Helpers


Boris Johnson will be joined by Professor Chris Whitty
and Dr Nikki Kanani

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/15/14/51828947-0-image-m-11_1639579538753.jpg

[smudgie]

We have had our boosters.
There and back within 10 minutes, and the lovely nurse came outside and done mine in the car.

[arista]

We have had our boosters.
There and back within 10 minutes, and the lovely nurse came outside and done mine in the car.



Very Nice

[smudgie]

Very Nice

Bang on.

[Alf]

You'd think this information would have been made clear before the vaccine roll out.

Building the next narrative.



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[arista]

Alf, I need the Full USA interview

Putting Facebook CEO there, is Fake


[Journalist, publisher of Rebel News]

[bots]

78,610 tested positive in todays figures

[arista]

78,610 tested positive in todays figures

Not Good.

Wednesday 15/12/21

165 Have Died
78,610 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,673

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
896


146,791 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[AnnieK]

I bet there is a significant drop in people getting tested after today - if you test positive from tomorrow onwards you will need to be isolating on Christmas Day

[Alf]

Or to put it in plain language. The vaccines are useless. So why the constant pushing of them?


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[arista]

Or to put it in plain language. The vaccines are useless. So why the constant pushing of them?


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No, you need 3 of them.

[Alf]

No, you need 3 of them.Thank you doctor. Do you mind if I take a second opinion?

[arista]

Thank you doctor. Do you mind if I take a second opinion?


Yes I do.

Your Sources are not up to it.

[user104658]

Or to put it in plain language. The vaccines are useless. So why the constant pushing of them?


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How have we gotten 9+ months into vaccination without you knowing that the vaccines are proven to significantly reduce the rates of severe illness and deaths which, thankfully as yet, still remains the case.

In all seriousness Alf. You seemingly read about this and talk about this stuff every day - but you're seemingly completely ignorant to the functions of the vaccine? How is that possible? Unless your reading is limited to a very, very narrow set of information?

[Alf]

How have we gotten 9+ months into vaccination without you knowing that the vaccines are proven to significantly reduce the rates of severe illness and deaths which, thankfully as yet, still remains the case.

In all seriousness Alf. You seemingly read about this and talk about this stuff every day - but you're seemingly completely ignorant to the functions of the vaccine? How is that possible? Unless your reading is limited to a very, very narrow set of information?Limited? I read on this forum everyday. Everything Arista posts, everything the rest of you have to say. I'd hazard a guess that yours is the one that's limited.

[bots]

Not Good.

Wednesday 15/12/21

165 Have Died
78,610 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,673

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
896


146,791 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

it's nearly a 20k rise in infections in 1 day

[user104658]

Limited? I read on this forum everyday. Everything Arista posts, everything the rest of you have to say. I'd hazard a guess that yours is the one that's limited.

Then why are you saying vaccines don't work because there are increased infection rates?

[arista]

it's nearly a 20k rise in infections in 1 day



Yes the Botswana Omicron Variant
loves jumping onto folks

[Alf]

Then why are you saying vaccines don't work because there are increased infection rates?I'm just judging from the video of what that Australian health official said. She said "Cases are predominantly vaccinated people" so that says to me that the vaccines are useless.

I think most people who are said to have died from Covid, didn't. I think they died with Covid, not from it. And whether you're vaccinated or not makes zero difference, as both can catch it, spread it and die with it.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGpcgvpX0AQIG5M?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

Gibraltar is 100% vaccinated. They're still having lockdowns. That says that vaccines are not the way out of this.

[arista]

Gibraltar is 100% vaccinated. They're still having lockdowns. That says that vaccines are not the way out of this.

Spanish workers enter it, alot.

[arista]

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[Alf]

Spanish workers enter it, alot.Many workers from many countries enter our country a lot. So that means if we do get 100% of people vaccinated then nothing changes. Using your logic.

[Cherie]

https://i.imgur.com/Ql0ZhTF.jpeg

:joker::joker:

[arista]

Many workers from many countries enter our country a lot. So that means if we do get 100% of people vaccinated then nothing changes. Using your logic.


Of course
that's why Botswana Variant Omicron
is spreading superfast in Scotland, England and Wales

[arista]

Boris Johnson is joined by Professor Chris Whitty
and Dr Nikki Kanani


We are now LIVE Downing St.


SkyNewsHD
Ch5HD News hour
GBnewsHD
Radio 5
LBC


BBC has sign language fella

[arista]

A big amount of thank-yous

Race Against Time

Johnson states.


Now Whitty's Slides

[Cherie]

Not Good.

Wednesday 15/12/21

165 Have Died
78,610 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,673

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
896


146,791 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Wednesday 8/12/21

161 have Died
51,342 have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,317

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
880

145,987 Total UK Covid Deaths
.

[Cherie]

Did Bojo just say hosp rates are up 10% from last week ?...not according to the figures above

[joeysteele]

For goodness sake.
Jabbing here there and everywhere.
On about a 'jabathon'.

Just talk seriously to the public not make it like a panto scene.
Far too manic as to presentation.
Does my head in he does how he talks about this.

[arista]

Now Dr. Kanani


Press to ask questions soon.

[bots]

Did Bojo just say hosp rates are up 10% from last week ?...not according to the figures above

he did say that

[arista]

BBC Laura: Asked when will Extra Restrictions, come in.

At last
she asked a Medical question.


Whitty told her we do not have clear data yet.

[Beso]

For goodness sake.
Jabbing here there and everywhere.
On about a 'jabathon'.

Just talk seriously to the public not make it like a panto scene.
Far too manic as to presentation.
Does my head in he does how he talks about this.

The queues snaking round the vaccine centres in london tells me his jabbering is working.

[arista]

ITV Peston
Says why are you not stopping people having party, As recent Boosters
will not kick in for a few weeks


And to the PM : Will the Police look at last years Party

The PM said it is being looked into.

[arista]

Tom Newton Dunn - Times Radio

Asked Whitty a Question
Whitty said it's a serious threat.

And to the PM - will he change?


He is not going to change

[arista]

Times Paper
Asks about Scotland Changes.

[joeysteele]

I'm actually more irritated with Whitty here.
I expect nothing but deceit from Johnson.

However Whitty is coming across as to having to be careful how he answers anything.

[arista]

Daily Express : will it be every 6months?

Whitty says its not yet clear.
It could by modifing the next dose.

[arista]

i paper :
Chucks Starmer at the PM


And asks how are they spending their Xmas.

[arista]

It has now concluded

[joeysteele]

Thank all powers that be for that.

[bots]

it's all about personal responsibility. If you intend to meet up with vulnerable people, get tested, miss other events etc. Everyone is different, everyone has different priorities and it's up to them to behave responsibly, the same way everyone does in every other aspect of life

[bots]

just as an aside, the BBC coverage of this is shockingly bias. They keep saying that Boris was defeated in the vote in parliament last night, which is an outright lie. At least tell the truth BBC

[Beso]

Does this new strain stay dormant for the 4 weeks the original did, before surfacing as symptoms?

[user104658]

Does this new strain stay dormant for the 4 weeks the original did, before surfacing as symptoms?


That hasn’t been a feature of any Covid strain. Average 5 days, max 14 days.

Omicron supposedly has a shorter incubation period (symptoms appear faster) on average.

[bots]

Does this new strain stay dormant for the 4 weeks the original did, before surfacing as symptoms?

70% of boosted people wont experience any symptoms at all, but given the infection rate is doubling nearly every day, it doesn't stay dormant at all. Also, the original variant usually showed itself in 5 days so i don't know where you got 4 weeks from

[Zizu]

Does this new strain stay dormant for the 4 weeks the original did, before surfacing as symptoms?


Mmmm I thought it got ‘going’ FASTER than all the other variants ... shorter incubation.


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[Beso]

70% of boosted people wont experience any symptoms at all, but given the infection rate is doubling nearly every day, it doesn't stay dormant at all. Also, the original variant usually showed itself in 5 days so i don't know where you got 4 weeks from

I remember way back at the start, it was four weeks after the rugby 6 nations fixtures, in particular, the wales v scotland game, that it all started kicking off in scotland.

I'm sure that's when it was said, maybe I'm wrong though.

But I do know of someone who caught it from his welsh host whilst in wales for the rugby, and he started taking seriously I'll 4 weeks later, he spent the next 2 months on a ventilator.

[bots]

I remember way back at the start, it was four weeks after the rugby 6 nations fixtures, in particular, the wales v scotland game, that it all started kicking off in scotland.

I'm sure that's when it was said, maybe I'm wrong though.

But I do know of someone who caught it from his welsh host whilst in wales for the rugby, and he started taking seriously I'll 4 weeks later, he spent the next 2 months on a ventilator.

it can take 2 weeks for the illness to progress to needing hospital, thats common, and what happened to Boris, then 2 weeks in intensive care where you either start recovering or die usually within 2 weeks ... so that takes 4 weeks


With the growth of infections, i wouldnt be suprised if we break 100k infections tomorrow

[user104658]

Mmmm I thought it got ‘going’ FASTER than all the other variants ... shorter incubation.


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There is some data that suggests Omicron has more like a 2-3 day incubation period, whereas almost all previous Covid cases were 4-6 days (some longer but vast majority in that range).

[Alf]

Remember when people used to use the phrase when talking about the flu "there's a lot of it going around" I remember them days, still, I never even thought of getting a flu jab when I heard that. Flu was a killer, thankfully it doesn't seem to exist anymore.

By the way, big crowd at the darts tonight, not a mask in sight.

[arista]

The problem is many will
carry on spreading Covid
as they do not have the Funds to stop working.

That a massive error by the Government.

[Beso]

The government are ****ing hopeless.

[Zizu]

I had to turn the news off .. all those experts and microbiologists were proper scaring me !!


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[Zizu]

it's all about personal responsibility. If you intend to meet up with vulnerable people, get tested, miss other events etc. Everyone is different, everyone has different priorities and it's up to them to behave responsibly, the same way everyone does in every other aspect of life


Generally it seems that most people are simply selfish and ignorant ..

They all want to carry on getting drunk most nights or going to the footie or the world Darts championship or whatever .

Then they worry afterwards if they get poorly


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[Zizu]

Remember when people used to use the phrase when talking about the flu "there's a lot of it going around" I remember them days, still, I never even thought of getting a flu jab when I heard that. Flu was a killer, thankfully it doesn't seem to exist anymore.

By the way, big crowd at the darts tonight, not a mask in sight.


I predict now that the Semi finals and the Final won’t have any audience .. so the atmosphere will be krap


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[Alf]

Generally it seems that most people are simply selfish and ignorant ..

They all want to carry on getting drunk most nights or going to the footie or the world Darts championship or whatever .

Then they worry afterwards if they get poorly


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThey work hard to keep the country running all year, they deserve to enjoy themselves at Christmas. You know that the Politicians like to let their hair down at Christmas, so why shouldn't the working class?

[Alf]

Well said the Loose woman.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I see we are back to infections numbers porn by the news media


and the government

:bored:

[MTVN]

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Bastani is a bit of a dick but he does have a point. I don't think we should be panicking about high cases but there doesn't seem to be much focus on the knock on affect of so many people having to isolate for what's actually a heck of a long time. There'll be a lot of shop closures, supply chain disruption, understaffed vital services etc and yes like he says there are a lot of people who can't afford to not work for that long

It Omicron symptoms are milder and we're going to have to live with high case numbers then maybe they should cut the isolation time for a positive test

[Zizu]

They work hard to keep the country running all year, they deserve to enjoy themselves at Christmas. You know that the Politicians like to let their hair down at Christmas, so why shouldn't the working class?


It’s just common sense surely though ..

If they’ve found 80,000 positive cases today can you imagine how many there REALLY are in the country !!


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[Zizu]

Bastani is a bit of a dick but he does have a point. I don't think we should be panicking about high cases but there doesn't seem to be much focus on the knock on affect of so many people having to isolate for what's actually a heck of a long time. There'll be a lot of shop closures, supply chain disruption, understaffed vital services etc and yes like he says there are a lot of people who can't afford to not work for that long

It Omicron symptoms are milder and we're going to have to live with high case numbers then maybe they should cut the isolation time for a positive test


Sure it will be great if it IS indeed milder than Delta but that could mean fewer deaths but millions in intensive care or at least needing hospital care ..

I’m genuinely terrified ... I’ve still got the next two days working in a high school :(


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure it will be great if it IS indeed milder than Delta but that could mean fewer deaths but millions in intensive care or at least needing hospital care ..

I’m genuinely terrified ... I’ve still got the next two days working in a high school :(


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No it could not

You may as well spend all day stressing about a meteor strike

[Alf]

It’s just common sense surely though ..

If they’ve found 80,000 positive cases today can you imagine how many there REALLY are in the country !!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProPeople get sick during the winter, always have done, always will do. I have done before, I will do again. The way we're living at the moment is no way to live life. We only get one and it could end at any time, why waste it? This will be the last Christmas for many, many people, live it.

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-7aa5124a-14e3-4b2f-92cc-f2c5fef2c06b.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[user104658]

People get sick during the winter, always have done, always will do. I have done before, I will do again. The way we're living at the moment is no way to live life. We only get one and it could end at any time, why waste it? This will be the last Christmas for many, many people, live it.


If we had the hospital and medical staffing capacity to care for everyone who gets sick (and needs assistance) then I’d probably agree with you but unfortunately - largely thanks to the Tories deliberately underfunding for the last 10+ years - we do not. If too many people get ill to the level of needing hospital care at the same time, it will not be available, and people who could easily have lived, will die.

That’s not to mention the number who will die from other medical conditions because of the extra strain on medical resources.

[Alf]

The masks make not one bit of difference. The politicians know this, the media know this, the doctors know this, why don't you?

To the politicians it's just a symbol of control and power over us. To the media it's just a theatre prop.


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[arista]

Yes but Peston and Tom Newton Dunn
are doing Daily Tests.

[bots]

Regular testing is the way to approach this i think. I did an 8 hour round trip on the train last weekend including central london and have tested myself every couple of days just to make sure im not unclean

[Alf]

Yes but Peston and Tom Newton Dunn
are doing Daily Tests.A virus so deadly that you need to do a daily test to see if you have it. I'd know if I had a virus without doing a test. If I needed a test to detect whether I had a virus or not, then it ain't much of a virus.

[arista]

A virus so deadly that you need to do a daily test to see if you have it. I'd know if I had a virus without doing a test. If I needed a test to detect whether I had a virus or not, then it ain't much of a virus.


There was only 6 Press there.
Yesterday.


As they all had to do an Extra Test to get into
number 9 Downing Street Press room.


Tom Newton Dunn
talking Live on Times Radio
DAB and Free online.

[user104658]

A virus so deadly that you need to do a daily test to see if you have it. I'd know if I had a virus without doing a test. If I needed a test to detect whether I had a virus or not, then it ain't much of a virus.


Apparently your understanding of what a virus looks like is painfully simplistic. You can carry and spread EBOLA - a virus that can kill 60%+ of people infected and makes you literally bleed out of your eyeballs - without knowing it. And you’re over here like “lol i’d know it in me bones if I had Covid”.

[bots]

A virus so deadly that you need to do a daily test to see if you have it. I'd know if I had a virus without doing a test. If I needed a test to detect whether I had a virus or not, then it ain't much of a virus.

you can be asymptomatic, and pass it on to someone vulnerable, but you already know this Alf. You already know so much about the virus and yet you continue to post rubbish. You ain't fooling me, I know it's intentional ... but it's a strange way you are getting your kicks is all i can say

[Alf]

This pandemic has made many forum members into medical experts. I'm still going by my medical knowledge I had from my entire life upto 2019. I missed the part when I was supposed to forget all that and change it.

[Cherie]

Regular testing is the way to approach this i think. I did an 8 hour round trip on the train last weekend including central london and have tested myself every couple of days just to make sure im not unclean

:laugh:

I do test before I meet people and I expect others to do the same :fist:

[arista]

This pandemic has made many forum members into medical experts. I'm still going by my medical knowledge I had from my entire life upto 2019. I missed the part when I was supposed to forget all that and change it.



No Alf

It is on the All TV News
and Radio News



Not some obscure Twat on Twitter
that you enjoy posting

[Alf]

Apparently your understanding of what a virus looks like is painfully simplistic. You can carry and spread EBOLA - a virus that can kill 60%+ of people infected and makes you literally bleed out of your eyeballs - without knowing it. And you’re over here like “lol i’d know it in me bones if I had Covid”.But we're talking about Covid. There are symptoms you apparently get when having Covid. So I'd know if I had those symptoms without needing a test.

[Alf]

No Alf

It is on the All TV News
and Radio News



Not some obscure Twat on Twitter
that you enjoy postingYou see TV the way religious people see their God. TV is your religion.

[Alf]

I wish Alf would just conform and stop questioning things, it makes me so angry.

[arista]

You see TV the way religious people see their God. TV is your religion.


No Radio as well.

[arista]

I wish Alf would just conform and stop questioning things, it makes me so angry.


It is Fine
but talk sense

[arista]

COVID-19:
British tourists to be banned from France
amid rise in Omicron cases

[From Saturday morning, France is banning
travel to and from the UK without "compelling reasons".
Paris says the "compelling reasons"
do not include travel for tourism and business.

French nationals and their spouses
are exempt from the new rules.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-british-tourists-to-be-banned-from-france-amid-rise-in-omicron-cases-12497105

[user104658]

But we're talking about Covid. There are symptoms you apparently get when having Covid. So I'd know if I had those symptoms without needing a test.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/asymptomatic

[Beso]

What I want to know is how the government can tell people testing positive at home have the new or old variant.

[Cherie]

What I want to know is how the government can tell people testing positive at home have the new or old variant.

if you test positive at home on a lateral flow you should get a PCR test to confirm

[Cherie]

do you have covid Parm?

[user104658]

What I want to know is how the government can tell people testing positive at home have the new or old variant.

They can't, and they don't test every PCR-test for the variant either. It's a very involved process that takes lab time. They test a sample of positive tests in each area, get a percentage of the total, and then apply that as a proportion of the total as an estimate. It would be completely impossible to do such a detailed analysis on every positive test.

Also you're supposed to confirm your at-home LF test with a proper PCR test if it comes up positive... most people don't bother to register their LF result at all.

[bots]

most people are sensible enough that if they test positive they will keep out the way of other people until they test negative again. So much of it is pure common sense.

Also on the point about how do they know what variant they have have .... they know the spread rate of delta and what the fluctuations are on a daily basis over the last few months. The infection rate rose by 20k yesterday alone, which is pretty indicative that the new variant is very much in play

[Beso]

do you have covid Parm?

No, not yet, but I can feel it creeping up on me...(maybe alf was right about the hangover)

If I dont catch it after saturday night's shenanigans, then its all a load of ****e, imo.

[Beso]

British woman flies to Paris after a negative test, but lands in Paris with a sore throat, she then becomes short of breath so goes to a hospital in Paris where she is diagnosed with covid...doctors give her a paracetamol and send her home...its so scary!!

[bots]

No, not yet, but I can feel it creeping up on me...(maybe alf was right about the hangover)

If I dont catch it after saturday night's shenanigans, then its all a load of ****e, imo.

my brother first noticed he had covid when he had an almighty hangover after being at the pub, he never gets hangovers normally so it was highly unusual. Sure enough he tested positive. They don't mention that in their list of symptoms :laugh:

[Alf]

If you're told that you need a chip put in your body to make living with Covid easier, would that be going too far for you or would you happily go along with it because you've been told it's for the common good?

[Cherie]

If you're told that you need a chip put in your body to make living with Covid easier, would that be going too far for you or would you happily go along with it because you've been told it's for the common good?

depends what the chip would do

for instance some women have contraceptive implant in their arm that releases progestogen into the body

[arista]

If you're told that you need a chip put in your body to make living with Covid easier, would that be going too far for you or would you happily go along with it because you've been told it's for the common good?


That would be good.

[arista]

Chief Medical Officer: Chris Whitty
is Live on the 2 news Channels
Parliament Committee.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-professor-chris-whitty-to-be-questioned-by-mps-on-omicron-as-a-million-could-be-isolating-with-covid-on-christmas-day-12469075

[Alf]

depends what the chip would do

for instance some women have contraceptive implant in their arm that releases progestogen into the bodyThe chip would have all your data on it. Medical data, financial data ect. The government would control everything. Where you could go, what you spend and where you could spend it, no more physical money, it's all electronic and controlled. If you had a fine, it would be immediately taken from you. If you didn't comply with a government order, they will immediately come for you because your chip would have your location at all times.

Basically China.

[arista]

The chip would have all your data on it. Medical data, financial data ect. The government would control everything. Where you could go, what you spend and where you could spend it, no more physical money, it's all electronic and controlled. If you had a fine, it would be immediately taken from you. If you didn't comply with a government order, they will immediately come for you because your chip would have your location at all times.

Basically China.


Yes thats OK for China


But not the UK.

[Alf]

They can connect things like your oven, fridge freezer, front door. With technology so you can be on the bus yet still use them. Connecting humans with this technology is inevitably the next step.

[arista]

They can connect things like your oven, fridge freezer, front door. With technology so you can be on the bus yet still use them. Connecting humans with this technology is inevitably the next step.


Again
Sure in China

[Alf]

No more work either, it will all be AI. We'll all just get a universal credit (controlled by government) and sit around doing nothing. There would be some work, but not for most. These lockdowns we're having are the dress rehearsals.

[Alf]

First they need to get rid of the current financial system. Nobody will be able to own anything that's why they're destroying small and middle sized businesses as we speak.

[Alf]

I believe Klaus Schwab calls it "the 4th industrial revolution" or "the Great reset"

[Cherie]

The chip would have all your data on it. Medical data, financial data ect. The government would control everything. Where you could go, what you spend and where you could spend it, no more physical money, it's all electronic and controlled. If you had a fine, it would be immediately taken from you. If you didn't comply with a government order, they will immediately come for you because your chip would have your location at all times.

Basically China.

Obviously I wouldn't agree to that

[Alf]

Obviously I wouldn't agree to thatNot even if it was for the common good?

[user104658]

No more work either, it will all be AI. We'll all just get a universal credit (controlled by government) and sit around doing nothing. There would be some work, but not for most. These lockdowns we're having are the dress rehearsals.

AI isn't even close to being that advanced yet. If it possible that the (western) world will eventually slide towards a Universal Basic Income in place of menial/manual labour? Maybe so. But that's nothing new? We don't have cages full of dirty-faced blokes being lowered down into coal mines in their thousands every day and coming back out with COPD any more either. Is that a bad thing?

[Alf]

What if they've already injected us with their chip? And that's why they're going to such extreme and facist lengths to get everyone vaccinated?

[user104658]

What if they've already injected us with their chip? And that's why they're going to such extreme and facist lengths to get everyone vaccinated?

Oh come on Alf - not nanotechnology paranoia? The chip is so small that it's invisible to the naked eye and can be injected through a tiny needle?

[Alf]

Don't worry about it, it's just a conspiracy theory until the TV tells you it's not.

[user104658]

Also most of the things you're describing above would require people to be aware that they have this chip. So at some point they're just going to shout "SURPRISE! You've been chipped!" ?

[Alf]

Oh come on Alf - not nanotechnology paranoia? The chip is so small that it's invisible to the naked eye and can be injected through a tiny needle?The killer virus is even smaller, it's conveniently invisible, just like climate change is.

[Alf]

Also most of the things you're describing above would require people to be aware that they have this chip. So at some point they're just going to shout "SURPRISE! You've been chipped!" ?But you're judging that by us still having some freedom. What are the people gonna do about it if their freedoms are gone and now rely on government control to survive life?

[user104658]

The killer virus is even smaller, it's conveniently invisible

"Viruses don't exist because I can't see them!" is literally an argument a 2 year old would make Alf. Blowing my mind here.



just like climate change is.

It isn't.

[user104658]

But you're judging that by us still having some freedom. What are the people gonna do about it if their freedoms are gone and now rely on government control to survive life?

I hate to break it to you Alf but that has been the case for hundreds of years.

[Alf]

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[Alf]

"Viruses don't exist because I can't see them!" is literally an argument a 2 year old would make Alf. Blowing my mind here.



It isn't.That may be good and well. But if some totalitarian regime did want to control people with a deadly virus, is it or is it not convenient for them that it's invisible? Yes or no?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Pity the MSM are not talking about getting plenty of sleep, of getting vitamin D and Zinc"

_XOerG5R290

[bots]

ive been swallowing vitamin D for over a year and recently added k2 and zinc

That guy does the clearest explanations i think

[arista]

The Queen has Cancelled
her First Pre Event at Xmas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Queen has Cancelled
her Events at Xmas.

incorrect

she has cancelled her traditional pre-Christmas family party next week.

[arista]

incorrect

she has cancelled her traditional pre-Christmas family party next week.

Yes, 50 were going to attend


So Far
More can be cancelled

[Zizu]

The Queen has Cancelled
her First Pre Event at Xmas.


It’s Christmas all year round for Queenie ...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[bots]

The Queen has Cancelled
her First Pre Event at Xmas.

Harry and Megs were going to attend, they will be sooo upset :sad:

[arista]

15 in Hospital with Omicron Covid now
1 Death of Omicron.

[Alf]

15 in Hospital with Omicron Covid now
1 Death of Omicron.How many in hospital with flu? How many deaths from flu?

Do you even care how many?

[arista]

CNN HD in China
2 have Omicron.
Targeted Lockdowns now going on.

And
South Korea has over 990 of Covid-19 Critical Care
Social gatherings now set at 4

[bots]

we dont even know if the person that died, died from omicron or something else. It annoys me the way they push the narrative

[arista]

How many in hospital with flu? How many deaths from flu?

Do you even care how many?


No.

[arista]

we dont even know if the person that died, died from omicron or something else. It annoys me the way they push the narrative


Yes they keep it secret

[AnnieK]

According to this article - the first Omicron victim was an unvaccinated pensioner:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10316615/Stepson-UKs-Omicron-victim-unvaccinated-conspiracy-theorist.html

[Alf]

According to this article - the first Omicron victim was an unvaccinated pensioner:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10316615/Stepson-UKs-Omicron-victim-unvaccinated-conspiracy-theorist.htmlAnd if he was vaccinated, there likely wouldn't have been any article. That private information would have been rightfully kept private.

[bots]

According to this article - the first Omicron victim was an unvaccinated pensioner:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10316615/Stepson-UKs-Omicron-victim-unvaccinated-conspiracy-theorist.html

if this proves to be true then it's more evidence that the government is actively trying to scare people, which is just wrong

[AnnieK]

And if he was vaccinated, there likely wouldn't have been any article. That private information would have been rightfully kept private.

I am sure there would have been an article - there would be plenty of people interested if he was vaccinated and still died :shrug:

The private information has been put into the public domain by someone claiming to be his stepson, a family member - now whether or not he is actually I would imagine has not been substantiated but to say it wouldn't have been reported if he had been vaccinated, when I actually think it would have been a bigger story if he had is irrelevant.

Had his vaccination status been revealed by a medical or government source that would have been a gross invasion of privacy but as a family member had allegedly rang a national radio show that information is now in the public domain.

[arista]

According to this article - the first Omicron victim was an unvaccinated pensioner:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10316615/Stepson-UKs-Omicron-victim-unvaccinated-conspiracy-theorist.html



Typical.

[Alf]

Typical.Not really, because millions of unvaccinated people haven't died. In fact only 1 person out of millions of people has, so how is it typical?

[arista]

Not really, because millions of unvaccinated people haven't died. In fact only 1 person out of millions of people has, so how is it typical?


He Should have had the Vaccines
Fighting chance.