Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[Nicky91]

Lockdown going well then

yes i think so

[user104658]

MISSING

The flu

Last seen in 2019

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A small percentage yea but the suggestion is that all flu deaths are for some reason being logged as Covid deaths. Flu deaths might have been mistaken for Covid deaths way back when we didn’t have reliable testing, but since then, it would as you say only be a death caused by flu of someone who also had a positive Covid test within 28 days before dying. In all probability it will have happened at some point, but only a small number of times. Most flu deaths will not be mistakenly counted in Covid figures. There seems to be some confusion about why we’re “not hearing about flu deaths” but that’s just because they’re not logging flu deaths (or any other deaths) daily like they do with Covid deaths and, as it’s always been, you only get those stats for the full year, once they’ve been compiled.

Deaths from flu and other non-Covid-related pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 were 20,523. This is largely consistent with pre-Covid years (approx 20,000 PA).

The data for 2021 will not be available until late 2022… they take a while to compile. But to say they don’t exist/aren’t being logged/seem to have stopped is nonsense, this data is easily and clearly available via ONS.

FWIW I think once the pandemic is “over” or more stable I think we will eventually get more accurate revised stats about Covid cases, deaths and fatality ratios. That will likely be beyond 2025. The data we get as “live updates” now is messy and unrefined… but as close to accurate as is possible without more in depth analysis.


Again you just selectively go through reading what you want to read and believing what you want to believe in this thread Alf, but maybe you'll see it now that it's been up twice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lockdown going well then

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

u2N0cP3A-qU

The point he makes about the shocking slowness of the WHO talking about Omnicron is incredible

[Nicky91]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cirsten-weldon-qanon-conspiracy-covid-b1989036.html

Qanon lady Cirsten weldon who wanted dr anthony fauci beheaded, died of covid



karma is a bitch :joker:

[Kazanne]

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/covid-19-uk-closest-country-141949697.html

This was an interesting read.

[Zizu]

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/covid-19-uk-closest-country-141949697.html

This was an interesting read.


So the UK are handling Covid 19 better than every other country yet Labour and the general media are trying to hound Boris out of office because some imbecile sent out a stupid email ...


##


The UK is the closest of any country in the northern hemisphere to exiting the Covid-19 pandemic, an expert has said.

Professor David Heymann, from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), suggested in a Chatham House online briefing that the UK was seeing the disease become endemic.

He said: “In general, now, the countries that we know best in the northern hemisphere have varying stages of the pandemic.

“And probably, in the UK, it’s the closest to any country of being out of the pandemic if it isn’t already out of the pandemic and having the disease as endemic as the other four coronaviruses.”



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[arista]

Tuesday 11/1/22

379 have Died
120,821 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,828

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
820


150,609 Total UK Deaths from Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

vents down again - great news as that is the big drain on resources

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola Sturgeon confirms Scottish football can return to capacity crowds from Monday

[Zizu]

vents down again - great news as that is the big drain on resources


Excellent


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[Zizu]

USA

Infections AND hospitalisations both hit record HIGH today !!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220112/f0ee76de99e0e7cb49e8233bd183097d.jpg


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/11/23/52816875-10392071-image-a-39_1641942421559.jpg

Hell in China

[Sprawling quarantine camps with rows
upon rows of cramped metal boxes to house people
suspected of having Covid-19 have sprung up in China]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10392071/Reality-Zero-Covid-China-quarantine-camps-confine-residents-cells-videos-show.html

[bots]

its going to be interesting over the next few weeks. Which was the better approach, locking down or leaving it to run its course. My money is on letting its run it's course

[Nicky91]

its going to be interesting over the next few weeks. Which was the better approach, locking down or leaving it to run its course. My money is on letting its run it's course

yes i agree, now we need to remove all lockdowns, open all non-essential stores again


the more people who spread omicron further, the better the chance delta might go away more ;) the more people who get omicron the better


also my mom's thoughts now

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/11/23/52816875-10392071-image-a-39_1641942421559.jpg

Hell in China

[Sprawling quarantine camps with rows
upon rows of cramped metal boxes to house people
suspected of having Covid-19 have sprung up in China]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10392071/Reality-Zero-Covid-China-quarantine-camps-confine-residents-cells-videos-show.html


... and we all complain over here


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[Cherie]

its going to be interesting over the next few weeks. Which was the better approach, locking down or leaving it to run its course. My money is on letting its run it's course

yes, apparently there is a new childhood respiratory illness doing the rounds now that causes shortness of breath and that is down to low immunity due to lockdowns :skull:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210913-the-little-known-virus-that-surged-in-children-this-summer

[user104658]

yes, apparently there is a new childhood respiratory illness doing the rounds now that causes shortness of breath and that is down to low immunity due to lockdowns :skull:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210913-the-little-known-virus-that-surged-in-children-this-summer

I call BS on this, kids have been back in school for a good 18 months and all of the normal sniffles and sneezes went around last year. If anything last year was quite a "bad one" - loads of little bugs going around in early winter 2020 after the "long" homeschooling period.

Why would they have low immunity currently?

Schools haven't been "off" since February 2021... and even then it was just normal Xmas break extended by a month or so.

Unless they're claiming kids are mixing less outside of school? That doesn't ring true from what I've seen either.

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cirsten-weldon-qanon-conspiracy-covid-b1989036.html

Qanon lady Cirsten weldon who wanted dr anthony fauci beheaded, died of covid



karma is a bitch :joker:

After watching the testaments in the American Senate, against Fauci and his involvement in Wuhan's gain of function, I'd say he's a man not to trust. He may well end up being put on trial for this whole sorry mess.

[Cherie]

I call BS on this, kids have been back in school for a good 18 months and all of the normal sniffles and sneezes went around last year. If anything last year was quite a "bad one" - loads of little bugs going around in early winter 2020 after the "long" homeschooling period.

Why would they have low immunity currently?

Schools haven't been "off" since February 2021... and even then it was just normal Xmas break extended by a month or so.

Unless they're claiming kids are mixing less outside of school? That doesn't ring true from what I've seen either.

I think they are talking about babies/preschool kids

[arista]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cirsten-weldon-qanon-conspiracy-covid-b1989036.html

Qanon lady Cirsten weldon who wanted dr anthony fauci beheaded, died of covid



karma is a bitch :joker:


Yes, Nasty Women
no need for her.

[arista]

Wednesday 12/1/22


398 have Died
129,587 have caught Covid-19



Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,735

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
793



151,007 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Wednesday 5/1/22

334 have Died
197,747 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,276


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
911

149,284 Total UK Deaths from Covid-19



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Weds 12/01/2022

398 have Died
129,587 have caught Covid-19



Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,735

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
793



151,007 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[arista]

Cherie add the Date please


I have just done the date

[Cherie]

Cherie add the Date please


I have just done the date

Done Sir

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271802926_4988061884577983_5745307277803077006_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=va_NC9kjwIMAX9mdL2K&_nc_ht=scontent.fgla3-2.fna&oh=00_AT-192JgWTSS1oK0Soi4AyD8_W6Zs5km0CuhDK564ydosA&oe=61E4BF1C

[glib]

https://scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271802926_4988061884577983_5745307277803077006_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=va_NC9kjwIMAX9mdL2K&_nc_ht=scontent.fgla3-2.fna&oh=00_AT-192JgWTSS1oK0Soi4AyD8_W6Zs5km0CuhDK564ydosA&oe=61E4BF1C

I don’t get what the numbers on either axis mean, shouldn’t the dates be along the bottom…?

[Beso]

https://scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271802926_4988061884577983_5745307277803077006_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=va_NC9kjwIMAX9mdL2K&_nc_ht=scontent.fgla3-2.fna&oh=00_AT-192JgWTSS1oK0Soi4AyD8_W6Zs5km0CuhDK564ydosA&oe=61E4BF1C



The broors drop could have at least happened before new year.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don’t get what the numbers on either axis mean, shouldn’t the dates be along the bottom…?


the numbers refer to the times Arista crossed his fingers hoping for a new Variant

[arista]

the numbers refer to the times Arista crossed his fingers hoping for a new Variant


It's not me.
These Botswana Omicron
and Deadly India's Delta Variants
have buggered up China, India, USA and the EU
and us badly.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/13/dutch-foreign-min-tests-positive-covid

Netherlands: dutch foreign minister Wopke Hoekstra tests positive for covid

The new Minister of Foreign Affairs, Wopke Hoekstra, is infected with the coronavirus. Late on Wednesday evening, he said on Twitter that he "unfortunately received a positive test result." He will remain in quarantine for the time being, which he was already in after one of his children tested positive earlier in the day.

Hoekstra will be working from home for the next few days. "Fortunately, I have no symptoms," he said. The Minister was in Brussels on Tuesday. It was his first trip in his new position. He spoke there with the foreign chief of the European Union, Josep Borrel, and his Belgian counterpart Sophie Wilmes. According to Belgian rules, Borrel and Wilmes do not have to quarantine. In France, where the two will meet with other foreign ministers in Brest in the coming days, quarantine is not mandatory for Hoekstra's contacts.

Hoekstra was also supposed to visit the French city of Brest in the coming days, where he wanted to meet his colleagues from other European countries. Because he was previously Minister of Finance, he already knows most of his colleagues. Due to the positive Covid-19 test, Hoekstra won't travel to France.

One of his children got positive results from a Covid-19 self-test on Wednesday morning, but other family members tested negative, according to Hoekstra. He was already in quarantine as a precaution.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have reached that conclusion too Ricky

eMWSSMYo1Qo

[Crimson Dynamo]

Amazing to see why the Dutch Government went into lockdown based on crazy over-estimates of hospitalisation

TrVGymR-jFU

[arista]

The Health Secretary
is Live in Parliament


TV News all 3.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A group of Indian hysicians who have been doing research and have treated 20,000
patients have concluded that Omicron is the most infectious respiratory virus
the world has ever seen - even more than measles!

If someone with measles comes into a room everyone in that room has a 90%
chance of being infected (normal room size)

source: The Doctor John vid above

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sajid Javid declares Covid self-isolation is being cut to FIVE full days as long as people test
negative on day five and six in bid to ease pressure of staff absences from Omicron wave

all media

[user104658]

If someone with measles comes into a room everyone in that room has a 90%
chance of being infected (normal room size)


Unless they are vaccinated or have previous exposure to measles, would be the important addendum there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unless they are vaccinated or have previous exposure to measles, would be the important addendum there.

or in a deepsea diving suit

[arista]

Sajid Javid declares Covid self-isolation is being cut to FIVE full days as long as people test
negative on day five and six in bid to ease pressure of staff absences from Omicron wave

all media


Covid self-isolation in England being cut to five full days

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59980505

[Crimson Dynamo]

covid self-isolation in england being cut to five full days

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59980505

or if you are self employed its down from zero days to zero days

[user104658]

or if you are self employed its down from zero days to zero days


Or if you’re a WFH hero.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Or if you’re a WFH hero.

Yes lets not forget the gamers..i mean those working from home...cough

:hehe:

https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1548048215-c0af400e313b?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=MnwxMjA3fDB8MHxzZWFyY2h8NHx8Z3RhNXxlbnwwfHwwf Hw%3D&w=1000&q=80

[bots]

Serbian tennis players don't need to isolate either

[arista]

Thursday 13/1/21

335 have Died
109,133 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,721

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
785


151,342 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Yes lets not forget the gamers..i mean those working from home...cough

:hehe:

https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1548048215-c0af400e313b?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=MnwxMjA3fDB8MHxzZWFyY2h8NHx8Z3RhNXxlbnwwfHwwf Hw%3D&w=1000&q=80


I was kinda thinking that it’s sooooooo easy to get a week or so off work now .. just ‘have’ a positive lateral flow test result with no symptoms..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I was kinda thinking that it’s sooooooo easy to get a week or so off work now .. just ‘have’ a positive lateral flow test result with no symptoms..


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and of course a guy in the pub can get you a pos test for £5

[Cherie]

Thursday 6/1/22

213 Have Died
179,756 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,988

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
875


149,515 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 13/1/21

335 have Died
109,133 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,721

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
785


151,342 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

13th January 2021 for comparison..... for anyone who say the vaccines don't work

1,564 Deaths Today


47,425 today caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
36,489

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,496


84,767 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
.

[AnnieK]

and of course a guy in the pub can get you a pos test for £5

You can get a positive lateral flow by putting orange juice on the test....I believe aftershave works too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/uk-pupils-orange-juice-fake-positive-covid-test-results

[bots]

You can get a positive lateral flow by putting orange juice on the test....I believe aftershave works too.

it would be amusing if a particular brand of beer worked too :laugh:


But i think that is the reason you need to wait 30 mins after eating/drinking before taking the test

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can get a positive lateral flow by putting orange juice on the test....I believe aftershave works too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/uk-pupils-orange-juice-fake-positive-covid-test-results

No wonder all the Posties are off

:facepalm:

[Zizu]

13th January 2021 for comparison..... for anyone who say the vaccines don't work

1,564 Deaths Today


47,425 today caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
36,489

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,496


84,767 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
.


Interesting.. thank you !


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[Zizu]

Aghhhhn !

The wife has just tested positive for Covid !!!

This is far too close for comfort !!

Fingers crossed people :(


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Aghhhhn !

The wife has just tested positive for Covid !!!

This is far too close for comfort !!

Fingers crossed people :(


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Its Omicron so dont worry

[bots]

Aghhhhn !

The wife has just tested positive for Covid !!!

This is far too close for comfort !!

Fingers crossed people :(


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don't worry zizu, you couldnt be better protected

[AnnieK]

Hope she is not unwell. Take care of her...and yourself :love:

[Zizu]

Hope she is not unwell. Take care of her...and yourself :love:


She has no symptoms at all so far but it’s early of course .

She got a phone call from her school .. one of her pupils had a runny nose today .. and tested positive tonight at home .. then all staff were advised to take a LF test .

So this variant clearly seems to spread as rapidly as we thought .

I just tested negative incidentally but I’ll test again in the morning before going to my school


Makes me wonder what chance I have now of avoiding it and I’m feeling dreadfully anxious :(

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[bots]

She has no symptoms at all so far but it’s early of course .

She got a phone call from her school .. one of her pupils had a runny nose today .. and tested positive tonight at home .. then all staff were advised to take a LF test .

So this variant clearly seems to spread as rapidly as we thought .

I just tested negative incidentally but I’ll test again in the morning before going to my school


Makes me wonder what chance I have now of avoiding it and I’m feeling dreadfully anxious :(

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my brothers wife got omicron and he didnt, Neems children got omicron and she didnt. Its not as simple as it seems

[AnnieK]

She has no symptoms at all so far but it’s early of course .

She got a phone call from her school .. one of her pupils had a runny nose today .. and tested positive tonight at home .. then all staff were advised to take a LF test .

So this variant clearly seems to spread as rapidly as we thought .

I just tested negative incidentally but I’ll test again in the morning before going to my school


Makes me wonder what chance I have now of avoiding it and I’m feeling dreadfully anxious :(

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Literally all of my sons friends and football team have had it, but he hasn't. It seems quite indiscriminate who gets it, even in close contact.

Even if you do test positive you very well may have few symptoms. My friends mother in law has just got over it, she tested positive and the only symptom she had was a little headache....and she is 80 next month and asthmatic.

Try not to let the anxiety overcome you

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has no symptoms at all so far but it’s early of course .

She got a phone call from her school .. one of her pupils had a runny nose today .. and tested positive tonight at home .. then all staff were advised to take a LF test .

So this variant clearly seems to spread as rapidly as we thought .

I just tested negative incidentally but I’ll test again in the morning before going to my school


Makes me wonder what chance I have now of avoiding it and I’m feeling dreadfully anxious :(

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But you know this is no more serious than a winter cold?

[Zizu]

Literally all of my sons friends and football team have had it, but he hasn't. It seems quite indiscriminate who gets it, even in close contact.

Even if you do test positive you very well may have few symptoms. My friends mother in law has just got over it, she tested positive and the only symptom she had was a little headache....and she is 80 next month and asthmatic.

Try not to let the anxiety overcome you


Thank you .. just got to hope my lovely wife stays well


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[Zizu]

my brothers wife got omicron and he didnt, Neems children got omicron and she didnt. Its not as simple as it seems


Thanks !


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[Zizu]

Hope she is not unwell. Take care of her...and yourself :love:


Thanks !


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[Zizu]

don't worry zizu, you couldnt be better protected


Thanks !


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

35.521 new cases, 2112 more than yesterday

1.289 total hospitalisations 74 less than yesterday

108 new patients on nursing wards, 8 more new than yesterday

335 total on ICU's/ventilators, 26 less than yesterday 12 new patients on ICU's, same amount new as yesterday

16 new deaths 3 more than yesterday


--------------------------------------------
https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/14/shops-will-also-allowed-open-without-appointment-saturday-reports

Non-essential stores in the Netherlands will be allowed to open back up on Saturday with no appointments needed, sources told broadcaster NOS and the ANP newswire. Shopkeepers will be required to close their stores by 5 p.m., similar to rules during the evening lockdown late last year, but national rules will not be adjusted to allow hospitality entrepreneurs to open their doors again just yet.

Non-essential retailers were expected to be allowed to reopen on a limited basis by appointment only. The expectation is that they will still face restrictions on the number of visitors based on the amount of square meters of shopping space. According to ANP, customers will also be required to wear a mask while inside, and may be told to use hand sanitizer when entering a shop.

The change to the retail policy will be one of several announced at a press conference on Friday evening. Prime Minister Mark Rutte and new Health Minister Ernst Kuipers are expected to say that higher education students may return to classrooms, and the reopening of fitness centers and close-contact service providers, like hair salons.

Rutte and Kuipers discussed the issue with Cabinet ministers on Friday. During that meeting, they also decided not to reopen hospitality businesses just yet, ANP reported. The Cabinet will reassess that decision by January 24.

Should the coronavirus situation stay the same, or improve, bars, cafes, and restaurants will likely be allowed to reopen with some restrictions.

[Nicky91]

apparently what Dr John Campbell said in Netherlands 40% is still Delta so get rid of lockdown now pls


it shows that lockdowns are wrong in this recent scenario, spreading it more throughout the country, Omicron i mean to get rid of Delta is something what can work, if we look at UK, where Omicron is mainly the dominant variant, almost no sign of Delta anymore

[user104658]

We may all have Omicron :think:. Youngest is very stuffed up/coughing since yesterday morning. Me and wife have been a little bit sniffly since yesterday but nothing really. Eldest is fine.

Of course it could just be a cold :joker:. Had to go on a 1hr 30 road trip (45 mins each way) for PCR's last night, nearby places were booked up until tomorrow :idc:.

[AnnieK]

They are literally dropping like flies in my son's class at school. 6 kids and both teachers off at the moment - we have been asked to test daily for a further 7 days now. Only a matter of time till its our turn I think (almost want to get it now and get it out of the way)

[Crimson Dynamo]

We may all have Omicron :think:. Youngest is very stuffed up/coughing since yesterday morning. Me and wife have been a little bit sniffly since yesterday but nothing really. Eldest is fine.

Of course it could just be a cold :joker:. Had to go on a 1hr 30 road trip (45 mins each way) for PCR's last night, nearby places were booked up until tomorrow :idc:.

would it not be better to avoid testing altogether?

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are literally dropping like flies in my son's class at school. 6 kids and both teachers off at the moment - we have been asked to test daily for a further 7 days now. Only a matter of time till its our turn I think (almost want to get it now and get it out of the way)

I would not bother testing at all Annie unless you get symtoms

its getting silly now

[user104658]

would it not be better to avoid testing altogether?

Not really an option as my wife is patient-facing NHS staff.

[arista]

Friday 14/1/22

270 have Died
99,625 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,539

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
777


151,612 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

infections and vents are certainly moving in the right direction at the moment

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not really an option as my wife is patient-facing NHS staff.

yes that needs to change asap @Nicola

[Crimson Dynamo]

infections and vents are certainly moving in the right direction at the moment

Its the start of the end

[AnnieK]

Positive cases are dropping fast now people are only lateral flow testing

[Niamh.]

Why are they called Lateral Flow tests in the UK and Antigen tests here? [emoji848]

[bots]

Why are they called Lateral Flow tests in the UK and Antigen tests here? [emoji848]


To put it simply – there is no difference between a rapid antigen and a lateral flow test! Rapid testing uses the well-established lateral flow technology to detect proteins or antigens that are present when a person is infected with COVID-19


So, no reason really :laugh:

[Beso]

Why are they called Lateral Flow tests in the UK and Antigen tests here? [emoji848]

Cause yous can't pronounce lateral without drooling.:shrug:

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/166C2/production/_122724819_tele-nc.png

[user104658]

Why are they called Lateral Flow tests in the UK and Antigen tests here? [emoji848]

They're the same thing, the most recent boxes we got say Rapid Antigen on them.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/15/covid-press-conference-graphics-send-confusing-message-experts-say

Netherlands:

https://nltimes.nl/sites/nltimes.nl/files/styles/news_article_full/public/2022-01/Image%20from%20iOS%20%282%29.jpg?h=3fa247c0&itok=D2tBJggX

Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Health Minister Ernst Kuipers used graphics for the first time during a coronavirus press conference. The new presentation style was received well overall yet experts said there is still room for improvement in delivering the message.

"You help understand information better with pictures. The only thing is that those pictures have to be synchronized with the argument and that was not the case," Professor of Health Communication Julia van Weert told NOS. Van Weert criticized a graphic showing a rapid increase in coronavirus infections in four countries. "The graphic begged the question: Why is everything closed here if it is going well in comparison?" Van Weert said.

Experts also commented on the number of slides used. "Kuipers spoke in a calmed and informed manner, but he wanted to say too much in a short time and used too many graphics," communication expert Lars Duursma said.

Van Weert said that Kuipers was easier to follow than his predecssor Hugo de Jonge. "It could be more comprehensible. But Kuipers is much less verbose than De Jonge," Van Weert said.

De Jonge posted a picture on Twitter of himself watching the press conference at home with his feet up, popcorn and an alcohol-free beer.

https://twitter.com/hugodejonge/status/1482054345466208262

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https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/14/full-list-dutch-coronavirus-restrictions-jan-15

full list of covid restrictions as of January 15th in NL

Although more than 200,000 people are now testing positive for coronavirus weekly in the Netherlands, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Health Minister Ernst Kuipers announced a series of changes to the country’s lockdown policy which took effect four weeks ago. While many rules remain in place, restrictions related to retail, close contact professions, higher education, sports, and arts & culture participants were loosened up a bit.

The new rules take effect on January 15. No relief was given to hospitality business and cultural sector organizations, which will have to remain closed. However, the rules will be reevaluated after ten days.

“The difficult thing is that you are constantly faced with new scientific insights, such as with the face mask,” Rutte said. “We must always make adjustments and it is our task to discuss this with you again."

Rules regarding face masks were also updated, with masking now recommended in many indoor locations and crowded outdoor locations. The government wants people to use disposable masks instead of reusable cloth masks.

Quarantine rules were also cut regarding people who have received a Covid-19 booster vaccine, or those who tested positive for the coronavirus within the past eight weeks. Those people no longer have to quarantine after a close contact tests positive for the infection, unless symptoms of the disease begin to show. They are advised to visit the GGD for a PCR test five days after being in contact with someone who was infected with the virus.

"We can no longer get rid of the coronavirus. In the meantime, we know that there will be variant upon variant, which makes the boosters relevant,” Kuipers said. “I am happy that 90 percent of the over-sixty population has already gotten a booster, but I would advise everyone to get one. Then after a week you will be so well protected that the quarantine rules can be relaxed for you."


Retail, contact professions, hospitality and cultural organizations
Retailers may open their doors again, but must close every day by 5 p.m.
Close-contact professions, including hairdressers, beauty salons, massage practitioners, and sex workers may open their businesses, but close daily by 5 p.m.
Those inside a shop or other business must wear a face mask. Face masks should be disposable, and not reusable cloth masks or homemade masks.
Store capacity is limited based on store size. Appointments are not necessary to visit non-essential retailers.
Shop customers must keep 1.5 meters of distance from others.
All hospitality businesses are closed to the public. Ordering in advance for take-away is possible.
Cinemas, museums, theaters and concert halls must remain closed.
Essential shops, such as supermarkets and drugstores, are allowed to remain open until 8 p.m. A face mask obligation applies in these locations, and customers are limited to a maximum of one per 5 square meters of floor space.
Specific services like those of a notary or lawyer, mortgage advisor, and medical contact professions can continue to hold normal opening hours.
Weekly markets are allowed to remain open.
Face masks should be worn in busy outdoor areas.

Sports
Most sports activities indoors and outdoors, including group sports and team sports, are allowed to start up again.
Fitness centers and gyms are allowed to reopen.
Audiences are not allowed to attend sports competitions or trainings at any level.
Coronavirus access passes are required for any adult entering an indoor sports facility, with some exceptions.
Coronavirus access passes are required for any adult participating in outdoor spoorts when they move indoors, such as when they need to use a changing room or a toilet.
Sports competitions are limited to matches within a club, except for athletes and competitions at the highest levels.
Sports club canteens may only open for takeaway.
Sports club changing rooms, toilets and showers are allowed to open.
Sports participants do not need to keep a distance of 1.5 meters during competitions and practices if it is not possible.
Face masks should be worn in busy outdoor areas.

Education
In-person teaching at secondary vocational institutions, applied sciences universities, and research universities is allowed to start with a maximum of 75 people per classroom.
Primary school students in Groups Six, Seven, and Eight, secondary school students, vocational students, and higher education students should take a self-test twice weekly.
In higher education, a maximum group size of 75 people at 1.5 meters apart applies
Face masks should be worn by primary school students in Groups Six, Seven, and Eight, secondary school students, vocational students, and higher education students when they are not in the classroom.
Children under 12 years of age can be sent home from school if they have a mild cold, runny nose, or stuffed nose.
Face masks should be disposable, and not reusable cloth masks or homemade masks.
Face masks should be worn in busy outdoor areas.

Arts & Culture
Cultural activities indoors and outdoors are allowed without an audience.
Coronavirus access passes are required for any adult entering an arts & culture facility, such as rehearsal facilities, practice halls, and workshops.
There is a ban on all events.

Work, Home & Travel
Everyone in the Netherlands must work from home as much as possible. Those who have to go to work should stay 1.5 meters away from others.
Do not receive more than four people aged 13 or older per day at home. Do not visit more than one household per day.
Outside there is a maximum group size of four people over the age of 13 from different households.
Face masks are required in stores, indoor public places, busy outdoor public places, education from group 6 through higher education, on public transportation, at train and bus stations, and at airports.
Face masks should be worn in busy outdoor areas.
Face masks should be disposable, and not reusable cloth masks or homemade masks.
People not vaccinated against Covid-19, those vaccinated but who have not received a booster shot, and those who have not tested positive for coronavirus in the past eight weeks, are strongly advised to enter quarantine if a housemate or close contact tests positive for the coronavirus infection. This quarantine may be released with a negative PCR test on the fifth day of isolation.
People vaccinated against Covid-19 with a booster shot, and those who have tested positive for coronavirus in the past eight weeks, do not need to enter quarantine if a housemate or close contact tests positive for the coronavirus infection. They should schedule a PCR test on the fifth day of contact with that person.
People should limit their contacts when they leave the house.
Keep 1.5 meters apart from others wherever you go.
Visit no more than one other household per day.
Coronavirus self-tests should be used before visiting others or receiving visitors.
Children under the age of 12 should be kept separate from those over 70 years of age.
People aged 70 and older are urged to limit their contacts as much as possible, including with children. They should continue to keep 1.5 meters away from any person they contact.
If you have Covid-19 symptoms, stay at home, do not receive guests, and get tested as soon as possible.
Self-isolate if you test positive for coronavirus.
Ensure a good flow of fresh air indoors.
Wash your hands often and well.
Stay at home as much as possible. If you do go out, limit contact with others and stay 1.5 metres apart.
Funerals may be held with a maximum of 100 guests.

Travel abroad
There is no ban on foreign travel.
Follow all rules in effect at the destination.
Travel warnings and advisories can change quickly, which can affect rules for those returning to the Netherlands.

[Nicky91]

over 5.7 million people watched our covid press conference over here :)

[AnnieK]

She has no symptoms at all so far but it’s early of course .

She got a phone call from her school .. one of her pupils had a runny nose today .. and tested positive tonight at home .. then all staff were advised to take a LF test .

So this variant clearly seems to spread as rapidly as we thought .

I just tested negative incidentally but I’ll test again in the morning before going to my school


Makes me wonder what chance I have now of avoiding it and I’m feeling dreadfully anxious :(

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How is your wife Zizu? Are you still neagtive?

There are currently 10 cases in my son's class including his teacher and TA....no-one is ill but all isolating. Expecting a positive results any time but so far so good

[Zizu]

How is your wife Zizu? Are you still neagtive?

There are currently 10 cases in my son's class including his teacher and TA....no-one is ill but all isolating. Expecting a positive results any time but so far so good


She’s fine thanks .. a few sneezes and a little tired but life currently makes you weary ..

I’m still fine and still negative ..


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[arista]

Saturday 15/1/22

287 have Died
81,713 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital - Not Updated (Friday 14th :19,539)

Patients in ventilation beds - Not Updated (Friday 14th : 777)


151,899 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

[Zizu]

What day did they change the rule on PCI testing ??


It maybe should be noted on each day’s data ??


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

31.963 new cases, 3.526 less than yesterday

1.220 total hospitalisations

322 total on ICU's/ventilators, 12 new patients on ICU's

127 total new patients on the nursing wards

6 new deaths

[arista]

France : Paris

Has a march of Anti Vaxxers, again.

Ref:TRTworldHD in Paris.

[Crimson Dynamo]

over 5.7 million people watched our covid press conference over here :)

did they admit to locking you down on hugely inaccurate data?

[Crimson Dynamo]

can i just check

Is the LIb Dems still a political party in the UK or did they disband?

:think:

[Zizu]

can i just check

Is the LIb Dems still a political party in the UK or did they disband?

:think:


Same applies to Labour ...

:)


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[arista]

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[AnnieK]

My son tested positive this morning....he is fuming. Bad headache but well other than that.

[bots]

My son tested positive this morning....he is fuming. Bad headache but well other than that.

Crazy times, you did predict it though

[AnnieK]

Crazy times, you did predict it though

There were too many cases in his class for him to avoid it.

He was a little "off" yesterday but got up at 6.30 complaining of a headache. The lateral was positive immediately.

He's fuming as he had a football tournament tomorrow at school that he will have to miss.

Just hoping these 3 jabs keep it away from me :laugh:

[arista]

My son tested positive this morning....he is fuming. Bad headache but well other than that.


Thats a Shame.


Hope you are able to your distance

[Crimson Dynamo]

Greater restrictions put in place by Nicola Sturgeon just have NOT worked


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[Cherie]

My son tested positive this morning....he is fuming. Bad headache but well other than that.

Aw wish him better

Hope your wife is okay Zizu

[Zizu]

Aw wish him better

Hope your wife is okay Zizu


Thank you so much for even remembering ..

Well she’s doing a bit of sneezing ( and snoozing ) and the odd cough but she feels fine if a little tired .

I’ve just tested negative again even though she’s been testing positive since Thursday - her lower bars have been getting darker each day .

I honestly expected to get it by now to be honest as we are just carrying on as normal at home .

It’s all rather perplexing given I’m old , male , carrying a bit of timber .. working in a huge high school with 1300 young people most not bothering to wear masks .

(Incidentally 3 out of 7 staff have so far tested positive after spending just a day with that young pupil in school- last Thursday )


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank you so much for even remembering ..

Well she’s doing a bit of sneezing ( and snoozing ) and the odd cough but she feels fine if a little tired .

I’ve just tested negative again even though she’s been testing positive since Thursday - her lower bars have been getting darker each day .

I honestly expected to get it by now to be honest as we are just carrying on as normal at home .

It’s all rather perplexing given I’m old , male , carrying a bit of timber .. working in a huge high school with 1300 young people most not bothering to wear masks .

(Incidentally 3 out of 7 staff have so far tested positive after spending just a day with that young pupil in school- last Thursday )


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Just stop testing yourself - if you get her mild symptoms you will know you have it you dont need a test to tell you this?

[Zizu]

Just stop testing yourself - if you get her mild symptoms you will know you have it you dont need a test to tell you this?


You can have it and pass it on to others even if you don’t show symptoms ..

You must be aware of that fact ?!

Working in education.. I’ve been instructed to test each morning as I’m sharing accommodation with a positive case

So...if I remain negative in the morning then I go to work but if I’m positive tomorrow morning I stay at home for the designated time period .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

you can have it and pass it on to others even if you don’t show symptoms ..

You must be aware of that fact ?!



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yes just like the cold and flu



time to put the tests away

[Zizu]

yes just like the cold and flu



time to put the tests away


As I said .. we both work in education and as such don’t have a say in the matter ..
they supply the tests and we do them .

If I’ve got it ( even without symptoms) then I don’t want to go around spreading it around to possibly vulnerable folk . We also have a daughter and her days old baby to consider- it’s hard not seeing them at this time as well .

Of course THIS is THE time to be doing tests when I’m in close distance to someone who actually HAS it.

Surely you can understand ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

As I said .. we both work in education and as such don’t have a say in the matter ..
they supply the tests and we do them .

If I’ve got it ( even without symptoms) then I don’t want to go around spreading it around to possibly vulnerable folk . We also have a daughter and her days old baby to consider- it’s hard not seeing them at this time as well .

Of course THIS is THE time to be doing tests when I’m in close distance to someone who actually HAS it.

Surely you can understand ?


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I understand that at mo your work says you have to but that is where that ends

[Zizu]

I understand that at mo your work says you have to but that is where that ends


Yeah that’s fair enough..


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[arista]

Does not Include Scotland.

Sunday 16/1/22

88 have Died
70,924 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital - Not Updated (Since Friday 14th: 19,539)

Patients in ventilation beds - Not Updated (Since Friday 14th: 777)


151,987 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

36.308 new cases

1.218 total hospitalisations

90 new patients on nursing wards

312 total on ICU's/ventilators

7 new deaths

[AnnieK]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:

[Zizu]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:


Hope things improve soon !

Keep his fluids up !!!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:

or in other words, Alf's morning routine

[AnnieK]

or in other words, Alf's morning routine

:laugh:

[bots]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:

hope he feels better soon

[arista]

yes just like the cold and flu



time to put the tests away



Not while Killer Delta is still alive,
come on.

[arista]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:


Could be the worst part of it.
Hopefully better days on the way.

[Cherie]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:

Oh bless him...a friend of mine was throwing up with it as well but it passed off quickly, hope he had a good nights sleep

[Nicky91]

Not while Killer Delta is still alive,
come on.

hopefully that one will fade away more and more if omicron can get spread around well enough

[Nicky91]

i'm not getting vaxxed at this particular moment, not wise to go standing around busy crowds like that vaccination location in my city, the Beursgebouw, and Helmond especially now they are also giving 5-12 yr olds first jabs, so no way i am standing anywhere near those germs

[arista]

hopefully that one will fade away more and more if omicron can get spread around well enough


Sure,
if it fades away.


At this time, it is not

[AnnieK]

Oh bless him...a friend of mine was throwing up with it as well but it passed off quickly, hope he had a good nights sleep

Aw thanks Cherie. He is much brighter today, bit of a headache and temp but colour back in his cheeks. He never sits still normally but didn't move yesterday. A few of his friends who've had it have been sick too.

:love:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

42.472 new cases

1.240 total hospitalisations

317 total on ICU's/ventilators

82 new patients on nursing wards

3 new deaths

[arista]

Monday 17/1/21

85 have Died.
84,429 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,345


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
746


152,075 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

So really it’s pointless worrying / comparing the fault infections as the numbers of PCR being done has reduced dramatically


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[Cherie]

So really it’s pointless worrying / comparing the fault infections as the numbers of PCR being done has reduced dramatically


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We have been saying for weeks its the number on vents we need to look at...and they are dropping ...infections mean nothing as Omicron is mild

[Cherie]

Monday 10/1/22

77 have died
142,244 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,665

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
844


150,230 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 17/1/21

85 have Died.
84,429 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,345


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
746


152,075 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Niamh.]

So, no reason really :laugh:

Thanks :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Aw, my boy has had a rough day....vomiting and dizzy. Hope he is better after a good night's sleep :sad:

ahhh poor fella, he was unlucky, most people seem to have a mild reaction to latest strain of it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not while Killer Delta is still alive,
come on.

Delta is long gone in the UK

[AnnieK]

ahhh poor fella, he was unlucky, most people seem to have a mild reaction to latest strain of it

He's fine now....to be honest I think he possible has a stomach bug too....the winter vomiting one is going round his school and I think he might have picked both up. Back to normal now so symptoms lasted around 24 hours.

[arista]

Delta is long gone in the UK


You are wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are wrong.

DO you have any evidence that anyone is being hospitalised by Delta now in the UK?

[bots]

You are wrong.

omicron has completely displaced delta in the uk. Additionally, omicron immunises you against delta. There are no new delta infections in the uk anymore

[arista]

DO you have any evidence that anyone is being hospitalised by Delta now in the UK?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/delta-covid-mutation-is-on-the-rise-in-the-uk-study.html

[Zizu]

omicron has completely displaced delta in the uk. Additionally, omicron immunises you against delta. There are no new delta infections in the uk anymore


So what is killing 100 Brits each day in Covid wards ?


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[Zizu]

omicron has completely displaced delta in the uk. Additionally, omicron immunises you against delta. There are no new delta infections in the uk anymore


None at all ??

I understand that omicron is the main variant but surely there will be some new Delta cases ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/delta-covid-mutation-is-on-the-rise-in-the-uk-study.html

november 2021

[Crimson Dynamo]

So what is killing 100 Brits each day in Covid wards ?


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respiratory disease as normal

[bots]

None at all ??

I understand that omicron is the main variant but surely there will be some new Delta cases ??


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a couple of weeks ago it was 98% omicron. Delta cant compete gainst omicron because it is so infectious. That's scientific fact

There will still be some delta cases in hospital, but there wont be any new ones

[Zizu]

a couple of weeks ago it was 98% omicron. Delta cant compete gainst omicron because it is so infectious. That's scientific fact

There will still be some delta cases in hospital, but there wont be any new ones


2% is still around 1,700 new Delta cases each day though ...


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[Crimson Dynamo]

2% is still around 1,700 new Delta cases each day though ...


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where?

[bots]

2% is still around 1,700 new Delta cases each day though ...


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but that was 2 weeks ago, not now and delta just doesnt infect people the way omicron does

[Zizu]

but that was 2 weeks ago, not now and delta just doesnt infect people the way omicron does


Fair enough ... still feel that it was successful enough to still be getting a few people though .. there must be pockets of people the length and breadth of the country who are still passing Delta on ..


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[user104658]

omicron has completely displaced delta in the uk. Additionally, omicron immunises you against delta. There are no new delta infections in the uk anymore

"Displaced" does not mean "gone".

[bots]

Fair enough ... still feel that it was successful enough to still be getting a few people though .. there must be pockets of people the length and breadth of the country who are still passing Delta on ..


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that becomes less and less likely. Omicron gives you delta immunity, so delta just doesnt have anywhere to go

[Zizu]

that becomes less and less likely. Omicron gives you delta immunity, so delta just doesnt have anywhere to go


That’s interesting.., I haven’t heard anything about Omicron giving immunity against Delta .. I just thought it was infecting people before Delta could so Delta was falling away ..


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: health minister Ernst Kuipers has said we are on course for 100.000 cases a day

but that we had to get rid of the lockdown because of the UK ordering us around

[bots]

In the Canadian province of Quebec, novel curbs are being introduced for people who haven't had a coronavirus vaccine.

From today, alcohol and cannabis stores will ask shoppers to show proof of vaccination to secure their purchases.

Health officials say they hope the measures will encourage more people to get their jabs.

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That's a different approach :laugh:

[AnnieK]

Netherlands: health minister Ernst Kuipers has said we are on course for 100.000 cases a day

but that we had to get rid of the lockdown because of the UK ordering us around

How have the UK ordered you around?

[user104658]

that becomes less and less likely. Omicron gives you delta immunity, so delta just doesnt have anywhere to go

You need to be more careful with wording Bots, I honestly thing semi-misinformation like this actually ends up bolstering and driving the skeptics more than anuthing else.

Omicron doesn't "give you immunity" to Delta or any other strain, it does increase immunity levels overall in the community which increases herd immunity which is of course vital to ever overcoming Covid, but saying "Getting Omicrom gives you Delta immunity" is at best a massive exaggeration. It makes it far less LIKELY that you'll get any Covid strain in the short term and increases your chances of any infection being mild in the medium-to-long term. Phrasing it like this makes it sounds like it gives full immunity, which only takes a few examples of people getting it twice for the skeptics to declare it all lies.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: recap of last 7 days numbers

last 7 days there have been 243.000 positive covid tests

R-number is at 1,16 which means 100 infected people can spread the virus onto 116 others

children and teens around age group of 15-24 are majority of age groups among those positive covid tests

[arista]

Tuesday 18/1/22

438 have Died
94,432 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital 19,450

Patients in ventilation beds 713


152,513 Total Deaths Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scotland lifting all its restrictions Monday now that the pandemic is moving into its endemic state in UK and that omicron has peaked and they realised they over-reacted to poor data as per normal in case they got the blame for anything

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A new Science analysis finds that by September 2021, India’s cumulative <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID</a> deaths were 6-7 times higher than reported. If confirmed, the findings may require substantial upward revision of the WHO's estimates of cumulative global COVID mortality. <a href="https://t.co/bQ8cJv7boE">https://t.co/bQ8cJv7boE</a> <a href="https://t.co/l6CPzZeTAK">pic.twitter.com/l6CPzZeTAK</a></p>&mdash; Science Magazine (@ScienceMagazine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScienceMagazine/status/1482752038844911623?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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[arista]

Yes Delta-Omicron I wonder if it's spreading.
Hard to track.

[Zizu]

Soooooo ..... I've been feeling poorly throughout the night and just tested POSITIVE !!



Started with a sore throat and a headache yesterday and a bit of an annoying , throat clearing cough . The headache is a little better but now I've got a sore chesty cough , sore eyelids and feel proper rough .

I'm already experiencing worse symptoms than the wife has had - I expected to get a similarly easy ride if I got it .


Anyways I've just taken some paracetamol and I'm gonna try and sleep my way through this :(



Dammit !!!!!


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[bots]

Take care Zizu. Get a good rest and think positively, you get a few days off ! But seriously, the best thing to do is rest and sleep

[Cherie]

Bad luck Zizu hope you feel better soon

Annie how is Matthew and have you avoided it so far?

[Alf]

How's Covid going? Is it still a thing?

Is it getting quieter or have I just not been interested in it lately? I can't tell.

[AnnieK]

Matthew is fine now thanks Cherie....bit sniffly and BORED! :laugh:

[Zizu]

How's Covid going? Is it still a thing?

Is it getting quieter or have I just not been interested in it lately? I can't tell.


It’s difficult to tell ... if I survive past the weekend I’ll give you an update


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[LaLaLand]

My sister tested positive on Sunday so we’re all isolating just incase.

We’re all negative so far (daily testing) and thankfully she’s just as though she’s got a slight cold so.

[Alf]

7It’s difficult to tell ... if I survive past the weekend I’ll give you an update


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProDrink lots of tea. That's the most important thing (at least 6 or 7 cups a day)

Chicken soup, Lemsip, Vix vapor rub, paracetamol and a packet of Lockets and you'll be fine in four to five days (that's less than a week)

I'm no trained doctor, I'm just talking from experience from when I've had man flu.

[MTVN]

Get well soon Zizu

Glad your son is all recovered Annie :bigsmile:

[Alf]

My sister tested positive on Sunday so we’re all isolating just incase.

We’re all negative so far (daily testing) and thankfully she’s just as though she’s got a slight cold so."Got a slight cold"



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[Alf]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

You need to be more careful with wording Bots, I honestly thing semi-misinformation like this actually ends up bolstering and driving the skeptics more than anuthing else.

Omicron doesn't "give you immunity" to Delta or any other strain, it does increase immunity levels overall in the community which increases herd immunity which is of course vital to ever overcoming Covid, but saying "Getting Omicrom gives you Delta immunity" is at best a massive exaggeration. It makes it far less LIKELY that you'll get any Covid strain in the short term and increases your chances of any infection being mild in the medium-to-long term. Phrasing it like this makes it sounds like it gives full immunity, which only takes a few examples of people getting it twice for the skeptics to declare it all lies.

If you have been exposed to Omicron the antibodies from Omicron gives you back protection against Delta - one of the reasons Delta has been replaced in the UK (now 97% Omicron in cases)

see 25.41 from todays talk

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[user104658]

If you have been exposed to Omicron the antibodies from Omicron gives you back protection against Delta - one of the reasons Delta has been replaced in the UK (now 97% Omicron in cases)



see 25.41 from todays talk



uP_p0a9pWCQYes I'm aware of that, but stating that it gives you immunity or makes you immune leads 1) people to believe that you can't catch Covid if you've had it before (false) and 2) those same people to declare it all nonsense as soon as they see someone get Covid twice.

It increases your protection against Covid, it bolsters your immune system against Covid, it does not "make you immune" to any strain of Covid.

[user104658]

Also, my gosh, everyone needs to stop regarding Dr John Campbell as the full stop on Covid.

His videos are good, he does a great job of explaining the science and stats in a simple form, and breaking down the complexities of the situation to make it accessible to a broad audience. There's no denying that.

He is NOT however the Gospel of Truth when it comes to Covid19. He's just putting the science in simpler English for people who are struggling to understand it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also, my gosh, everyone needs to stop regarding Dr John Campbell as the full stop on Covid.

His videos are good, he does a great job of explaining the science and stats in a simple form, and breaking down the complexities of the situation to make it accessible to a broad audience. There's no denying that.

He is NOT however the Gospel of Truth when it comes to Covid19. He's just putting the science in simpler English for people who are struggling to understand it.

No he only explains the science and unlike for example Sage he welcomes the scientific community to analyze all he says and challenge and or corrects and he will then discuss that on his next talk

[user104658]

Exactly. He gives his take on the data that is available to everyone. I don't think he claims anything else but his videos are being linked to as "The Facts" when they in reality are just his musings and interpretations. Non-expert ones too just like the rest of us - yes he is a doctor, but he's neither a virologist nor an epidemiologist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly. He gives his take on the data that is available to everyone. I don't think he claims anything else but his videos are being linked to as "The Facts" when they in reality are just his musings and interpretations. Non-expert ones too just like the rest of us - yes he is a doctor, but he's neither a virologist nor an epidemiologist.

well if you find any better, more accurate and more up to date info then please post it

[user104658]

well if you find any better, more accurate and more up to date info then please post itWhat's posted isn't the problem, posting it as facts/conclusions is the problem. I won't be doing that with any info and I'm saying that everyone should take it with a large pinch of salt when anyone else does.

[Zizu]

Exactly. He gives his take on the data that is available to everyone. I don't think he claims anything else but his videos are being linked to as "The Facts" when they in reality are just his musings and interpretations. Non-expert ones too just like the rest of us - yes he is a doctor, but he's neither a virologist nor an epidemiologist.


This exactly ^


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[Crimson Dynamo]

What's posted isn't the problem, posting it as facts/conclusions is the problem. I won't be doing that with any info and I'm saying that everyone should take it with a large pinch of salt when anyone else does.

When you post a youtube video daily to millions of people and the scientific community then we shall see..

[user104658]

When you post a youtube video daily to millions of people and the scientific community then we shall see..Not the point at all, I'm not claiming to know better than him, just pointing out that taking all of your information from one daily YouTube video and thinking that's the be all and end all of the situation - and handing out advice to others based on that - is probably not sensible.

No one has the answers or conclusions on Covid yet. No one. Not the world's most qualified virologists. So no... Dr John's millions of YouTube followers don't make a difference.

Not that he's even the one drawing conclusions, all he's doing is dumbing down the science for the less scientifically minded, adding a little bit of his own opinion. It's the viewers that are drawing conclusions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that taking all of your information from one daily YouTube video and thinking that's the be all and end all of the situation - and handing out advice to others based on that - is probably not sensible.

.

well thankfully the only person so far that has said that

is you

[user104658]

well thankfully the only person so far that has said that



is youThankfully.

[arista]

Johnson is Now Live in Parliament
giving a New Statement on Covid.


In England next Wednesday 26th
Plan B will end, we go back to Plan A.

[Crimson Dynamo]

90% of those in intensive care with Covid are not Boosted

The PM has said

[MTVN]

Farewell face masks :dance:

[arista]

Starmer's Reply is a Political Attack.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farewell face masks :dance:

hopefully fully gone asap

[bots]

A folk singer from the Czech Republic has died after deliberately catching Covid, her son has told the BBC.

Hana Horka, 57, was unvaccinated and had posted on social media that she was recovering after testing positive, but died two days later.

Her son, Jan Rek, said she got infected on purpose when he and his father had the virus, so she could get a recovery pass to access certain venues.

The Czech Republic reported a record number of cases on Wednesday.

Mr Rek and his father, who are both fully vaccinated, both caught Covid over Christmas. But he said his mother had decided not to stay away from them, preferring instead to expose herself to the virus.

"She should have isolated for a week because we tested positive. But she was with us the whole time," he said.

Proof of vaccination or recent infection from the virus is required in the Czech Republic to gain entry to many social and cultural venues, including cinemas, bars and cafes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996

[arista]

[folk singer from the Czech Republic has died after deliberately catching Covid]


That is Crazy and Tragic.

[GoldHeart]

Boris won't resign

[Nicky91]

Farewell face masks :dance:

hopefully fully gone asap

OTT reaction regarding face masks :shrug:


they are a means of protecting others, and most certainly not something what takes away your freedoms :spin:

[arista]

Boris won't resign


Yes as Labour demand it.


They have no right

[arista]

[Rishi writes off £4.3Billion
taken by shameless fraudsters from furlough
and other business support
during lockdown: Officials admit they will only
recoup a QUARTER of £5.8bn taken
by Covid criminals]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10410325/Treasury-writes-4-3bn-taken-fraudsters-furlough-business-support-lockdown.html

[MTVN]

OTT reaction regarding face masks :shrug:


they are a means of protecting others, and most certainly not something what takes away your freedoms :spin:

Biggest thing you can do to protect others is get your flipping vaccine

[Beso]

hopefully fully gone asap

He cant exactly tell us to keep wearing them, can he.

I will be keeping mine firmly on, until the spring.

[bots]

i think there are very few circumstances that face masks make a quantifiable difference. Look at France that has all these restrictions in place, they had 300k infections in 1 day last week

[Zizu]

Not the point at all, I'm not claiming to know better than him, just pointing out that taking all of your information from one daily YouTube video and thinking that's the be all and end all of the situation - and handing out advice to others based on that - is probably not sensible.

No one has the answers or conclusions on Covid yet. No one. Not the world's most qualified virologists. So no... Dr John's millions of YouTube followers don't make a difference.

Not that he's even the one drawing conclusions, all he's doing is dumbing down the science for the less scientifically minded, adding a little bit of his own opinion. It's the viewers that are drawing conclusions.


This exactly ^

I like his delivery although I only dip into his videos here and there .


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[Zizu]

As an update.. I awoke yesterday morning feeling unwell ( tested negative) and took the day off work (started with a sore throat and headache in the night )

During the day I was completely exhausted , dull headache , sore throat and very hoarse voice ..



Now overnight I had spells of coughing my guts up and my lungs were slightly burning .. I was real scared - I tested positive at about 4am , took paracetamol then thankfully managed to get a bit of sleep .

Today my throat feels better although my voice is really gruff , thankfully the cough isn’t as bad ( but coughs are usually worse in the evenings ) so we shall see how that goes ..

I’ve spent most of the day in bed completely exhausted .. can’t concentrate on anything , no appetite , medium headache , jaw ache and real bad backache. Temperature running hot and cold all day which itself is horrible .


So if anyone tells you that it’s no worse than the common cold you have my permission to give them a slap !!


I’ve done a little research on the current symptoms and a sore throat is THE most common indicator by far ..

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[user104658]

In all seriousness Zizu you want to keep an eye on upper back ache and jaw ache because those can be "heart symptoms". Could of course just be your chest and sinuses but worth being vigilant anyway, a lot of people don't know that about jaw ache.

[Zizu]

In all seriousness Zizu you want to keep an eye on upper back ache and jaw ache because those can be "heart symptoms". Could of course just be your chest and sinuses but worth being vigilant anyway, a lot of people don't know that about jaw ache.

Thanks .. yes sinuses are completely “bunged up” and I’m steaming my face .. which helps for a while

it is lower back pain ( bottom of spine ) incidentally..

[Cherie]

The jaw ache will be from coughing probably

[Zizu]

The jaw ache will be from coughing probably

Yes maybe .. also bunged up sinuses as well I think

[arista]

Live 5PM Health Secretary, Downing St.
and DR. Susan Hopkins

SkyNewsHD
LBC
Radio 5

After the PM was in Parliament at 12:30PM

[user104658]

My sinuses are a mess at the moment... And I have very sore throat, cough and breathlessness. Multiple LF's and a PCR day it's not Covid though :shrug:.

I also had a night terror a few nights ago - that was a ****ing adventure :joker:.

[arista]

We are Live 9 Downing St Media room



Sajid Javid Health Secretary
and Dr Susan Hopkins


He is talking about Omicron.

[arista]

Wednesday 19/1/21

359 have Died
108,069 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,979

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
703



152,872 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

BBC News Hugh Pym asks about the PM's position

Thats got nothing to do with this.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJeZSlJWQAYMpil?format=jpg&name=small

[Vanessa]

I was sick as well recently. But thankfully on the mend now.

[Zizu]

I was sick as well recently. But thankfully on the mend now.


Lovely !


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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

I was sick as well recently. But thankfully on the mend now.

Ness, the only uk resident to bag all Covid variants

:joker:

[Zizu]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-9caaf061-9c2d-4163-ad76-9739374dcfb1.jpg?bypass-service-worker&


No wonder Boris has seemed rather distracted of late ... I can’t imagine how you’d feel if your 5 week old baby was very poorly with Covid ( a virus we still know so little about ) .

I know I’m probably a lone voice in giving Boris the benefit of the doubt over the 25 minutes he spent in a garden get-together but seriously ... I would have taken myself away from politics for a while for this reason alone - yet he chose to fight through all this nonsense .

Hopefully Starmer will have the decency to ask how she’s progressing at the next PMs QT.
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[AnnieK]

No wonder Boris has seemed rather distracted of late ... I can’t imagine how you’d feel if your 5 week old baby was very poorly with Covid ( a virus we still know so little about ) .

I know I’m probably a lone voice in giving Boris the benefit of the doubt over the 25 minutes he spent in a garden get-together but seriously ... I would have taken myself away from politics for a while for this reason alone - yet he chose to fight through all this nonsense .

Hopefully Starmer will have the decency to ask how she’s progressing at the next PMs QT.
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Why would he ask such a personal question of the PM in a televised area? What if Boris doesn't want to share? Do you think the only time they interact is in Parliament as I'm sure its not.

[Zizu]

Why would he ask such a personal question of the PM in a televised area? What if Boris doesn't want to share? Do you think the only time they interact is in Parliament as I'm sure its not.


All Starmer’s comments directed at Boris are personal ..


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[AnnieK]

All Starmer’s comments directed at Boris are personal ..


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About Boris....not his children. :shrug:

[Zizu]

About Boris....not his children. :shrug:


Still personal comments — was my point


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sadiq Khan is a mask zealot but he's got every step of this pandemic wrong. Last month he predicted we'd be in lockdown and the NHS would be overwhelmed.<br>Londoners should ignore him and rip off their muzzle on the tube.<a href="https://t.co/9kABdaeIRA">https://t.co/9kABdaeIRA</a></p>&mdash; Dan Wootton (@danwootton) <a href="https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/1483880203621474308?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Cherie]

How is Matthew Annie?

[AnnieK]

How is Matthew Annie?

He's good thanks for asking. He was "off" for around 36 hours then back to normal other than q bit sniffly. Homeschooling and complaining he's bored :laugh:

I can test him again tomorrow and saturday and release him if negative.

:fc:

[Cherie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sadiq Khan is a mask zealot but he's got every step of this pandemic wrong. Last month he predicted we'd be in lockdown and the NHS would be overwhelmed.<br>Londoners should ignore him and rip off their muzzle on the tube.<a href="https://t.co/9kABdaeIRA">https://t.co/9kABdaeIRA</a></p>&mdash; Dan Wootton (@danwootton) <a href="https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/1483880203621474308?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don’t often agree with Khan but I think wearing a face covering on the tube should be mandatory for ever

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/20/dutch-health-institute-pessimistic-omicron-director-says

Netherlands: The assumptions previously made by the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) about the Omicron variant of the coronavirus were "too pessimistic," according to top infectious disease specialist Jaap van Dissel. This applies to the risk of hospitalization, for example. Two weeks ago, the institute estimated in model calculations that this was 40 percent lower than with the Delta variant, but that also seems too negative, Van Dissel acknowledged in a briefing to parliament.

The Omicron variant has supplanted the Delta variant, according to the RIVM. Omicron causes about 95 percent of new infections, said Van Dissel. "The picture is tilting," Van Dissel noted. He reiterated that Omicron is less likely to lead to hospitalization than Delta. Fewer people become so ill that they need intensive care, but to what extent, Van Dissel cannot say completely. "The percentages are continuously adjusted."

Based on the figures from countries ahead of the Netherlands regarding Omicron infections, Van Dissel can say that the variant still leads to considerable pressure on healthcare. Compared to other European countries, taking the number of inhabitants into account, there are a lot fewer coronavirus patients hospitalized in the Netherlands, NOS reports. In Denmark and Belgium, hospitalizations are twice as high proportionally and five times as high in the United Kingdom, Spain, and France.

Translated to the Dutch situation, those numbers would put "very significant" pressure on the healthcare system, Van Dissel said, according to NOS. "You wouldn't want those numbers in the Netherlands."

Van Dissel added that some of the coronavirus patients currently in Dutch hospitals have the Delta variant. They were infected earlier when the Delta variant was still dominant.

The Omicron variant is currently mainly circulating among younger people. The infection rates are much lower among people over 60, most of whom have had their booster shots. At the same time, the latest RIVM figures make clear that the booster shot also "does not offer 100 percent protection," Van Dissel said

[Crimson Dynamo]

In England and Wales in 2020/2021: 17,000 deaths directly of covid with no co morbidities according to ONS!

Average age of death 2021 (UK): 82.5 years


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Oficial figures that we all got given were 8 times higher

:skull:

[arista]

I don’t often agree with Khan but I think wearing a face covering on the tube should be mandatory for ever


Yes as it is a Tube,
lack of air in it.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

39.978 new cases

1.124 total hospitalisations

290 total on ICU's/ventilators, 16 new patients on ICU's

10 new deaths

133 new patients on the nursing wards

[arista]

Thursday 20/1/22

330 have Died of Covid.
107,364 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,494


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
675


153,302 Total UK Deaths Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thursday 20/1/22

330 have Died of Covid.
107,364 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,494


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
675


153,302 Total UK Deaths Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

well we now know that these stats are misleading

[Vanessa]

Ness, the only uk resident to bag all Covid variants

:joker:

Could just be flu, I'm not sure.

[arista]

well we now know that these stats are misleading


They are the Official Numbers


Are you talking about Alf?

[Vanessa]

I hope they know what they're doing. Removing covid restrictions now could be a mistake.

[Alf]

I hope they know what they're doing. Removing covid restrictions now could be a mistake.They've never known what they were doing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are the Official Numbers


Are you talking about Alf?

the numbers who died from Covid alone, with no other health issue (co-morbidity) is 8 times lower in England and Wales than the Government led us to believe

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope they know what they're doing. Removing covid restrictions now could be a mistake.

why?

[arista]

the numbers who died from Covid alone, with no other health issue (co-morbidity) is 8 times lower in England and Wales than the Government led us to believe


Could be possible

[AnnieK]

In the beginning I do think that most people who lost their lives were vulnerable, elderly or suffering with other life limiting illnesses. There obviously has been deaths of previously healthy people but the majority will have had other issues I'm sure. The death figures were never very reliable once they lumped people in who had tested positive in the last 28 days but could have died when they were hit by a bus!

[Crimson Dynamo]

In the beginning I do think that most people who lost their lives were vulnerable, elderly or suffering with other life limiting illnesses. There obviously has been deaths of previously healthy people but the majority will have had other issues I'm sure. The death figures were never very reliable once they lumped people in who had tested positive in the last 28 days but could have died when they were hit by a bus!

The average death age in 2021 from Covid was 82.5 years

[user104658]

In the beginning I do think that most people who lost their lives were vulnerable, elderly or suffering with other life limiting illnesses. There obviously has been deaths of previously healthy people but the majority will have had other issues I'm sure. The death figures were never very reliable once they lumped people in who had tested positive in the last 28 days but could have died when they were hit by a bus!

The number that didn't have comorbidities is low-ish around 15-20,000 I think. It is worth noting however that if someone is over 70, it's VERY likely that they have at least one comorbidity, and comorbidities are not necessarily "the scary stuff" like heart disease or cancer. Extremely common, mangeable ailments in the over-70's like type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure (or low blood pressure) etc. are classed as comorbidities.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The number that didn't have comorbidities is low-ish around 15-20,000 I think. It is worth noting however that if someone is over 70, it's VERY likely that they have at least one comorbidity, and comorbidities are not necessarily "the scary stuff" like heart disease or cancer. Extremely common, mangeable ailments in the over-70's like type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure (or low blood pressure) etc. are classed as comorbidities.

and that most did not die that got covid above 70 and 80

co-morbs or not

not sure of the percentage but it must be in the 90s?

[user104658]

and that most did not die that got covid above 70 and 80



co-morbs or not



not sure of the percentage but it must be in the 90s?I think the case fatality rate is about 5% for over 75's, rising to over 20% for over 90's but that's not hugely unexpected, pretty much anything can kill you at 90.

[arista]

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[arista]

[The Daily Telegraph reports that some headteachers
are insisting that pupils still wear face masks
in the classroom - despite the official government
guidance being changed.
It says more than 100 schools have written
to parents saying face coverings will continue.
Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi
said his department would contact schools
that were refusing to scrap masks.]

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[Zizu]

The world is going crazy ... our high school have now decided to overrule the government policy that you only need a LFD test as proof of Covid ... we now have to provide PCR test as well .

I have been too poorly to leave my bed , never mind the house , to get tested , so I have requested a postal PCR test but it was a complete ball ache to organise when my brain is frazzled
:(

They also advised us yesterday that Covid related sickness absences are going to be included in the staff absences data and the subsequent interviews .

The interviews are going to recommence next week ( after being suspended for nearly two years ) .


So much for their ongoing claim that Covid staff welfare is paramount ...

I’m already at my wits end wondering if I’m gonna get better or worse .. yesterday was my worst day so far ( day 3 ) .


PS

This is what our union ( Unison ) told us at the start of Covid .

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[AnnieK]

The world is going crazy ... our high school have now decided to overrule the government policy that you only need a LFD test as proof of Covid ... we now have to provide PCR test as well .

I have been too poorly to leave my bed , never mind the house , to get tested , so I have requested a postal PCR test but it was a complete ball ache to organise when my brain is frazzled
:(

They also advised us yesterday that Covid related sickness absences are going to be included in the staff absences data and the subsequent interviews .

The interviews are going to recommence next week ( after being suspended for nearly two years ) .


So much for their ongoing claim that Covid staff welfare is paramount ...

I’m already at my wits end wondering if I’m gonna get better or worse .. yesterday was my worst day so far ( day 3 ) .


PS

This is what our union ( Unison ) told us at the start of Covid .

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Speak to your Union Zizu....that's what they are there for. If you are triple vaccinated and have followed protocol you shouldn't be penalised for picking this virus up. :shrug:

Is your school an Academy or council run?

[Zizu]

Speak to your Union Zizu....that's what they are there for. If you are triple vaccinated and have followed protocol you shouldn't be penalised for picking this virus up. :shrug:

Is your school an Academy or council run?


Sadly a flaming trust / academy ... we changed about 18 months ago .

It’s probably because I feel so low this that I’m probably overreacting ..

Having to get a PCR test felt as though they don’t trust us ... now the change in absence interviews feels unfair ..

I went over 18 months without a day off sick then I was poorly the day after my booster & flu jab .



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[user104658]

Honestly requiring PCR confirmation seems (just bordering on) being fair enough, but including genuine Covid confirmed cases in absence management policies is ridiculous. It will encourage presenteeism (showing up to work whilst ill) and that's NEVER been a good thing, let alone in Covid times.

Just another example of why I'm so glad to work for a small ethical company now. Those "justify your absence" meetings are so patronising and demoralising. There's no need for it - as a manager you KNOW when a staff member is taking the piss and that's the only time a meeting is warranted.

[AnnieK]

I've been lucky too. I haven't had a sick day in over 10 years and now I'm stuck at home with Covid I assumed it would blemish my record but my company have confirmed it won't be recorded as sickness and I offered to work from home but they told me to just relax and wait till I test negative.

In the 20 + years I've worked there I've only had 6 sick days so they know I'm not taking the piss.

[bots]

An American Airlines plane bound for London from Miami has had to turn around because a passenger refused to wear a face mask, the airline has said.

American Airlines Flight AAL38 with 129 passengers on board returned to Miami where it was met by police, it said.

They escorted a woman in her 40s off the plane, reports say.

She has been placed on a list of people barred from flying with American Airlines, pending further investigation, the airline said.

The Wednesday flight turned around less than an hour into its journey, according to tracking service FlightAware.

"American Airlines flight 38 with service from Miami (MIA) to London returned to MIA due to a disruptive customer refusing to comply with the federal mask requirement," the airline said.

Passengers on the flight to London Heathrow were re-booked on to another flight for Thursday.

"Everyone was shocked," one passenger told CBS station WFOR-TV after getting off the Wednesday flight.

Another passenger said she was disappointed.

"They wouldn't really say anything, and I don't believe they told the flight attendants anything either because they said all they could say was there was an extreme incident with a passenger and they had to turn around," she told the station.

Airlines reported nearly 6,000 incidents involving unruly passengers last year and 151 in the first two weeks of this year, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Most of them involved passengers who refused to wear masks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60080080

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That is completely crazy

[Zizu]

An American Airlines plane bound for London from Miami has had to turn around because a passenger refused to wear a face mask, the airline has said.

American Airlines Flight AAL38 with 129 passengers on board returned to Miami where it was met by police, it said.

They escorted a woman in her 40s off the plane, reports say.

She has been placed on a list of people barred from flying with American Airlines, pending further investigation, the airline said.

The Wednesday flight turned around less than an hour into its journey, according to tracking service FlightAware.

"American Airlines flight 38 with service from Miami (MIA) to London returned to MIA due to a disruptive customer refusing to comply with the federal mask requirement," the airline said.

Passengers on the flight to London Heathrow were re-booked on to another flight for Thursday.

"Everyone was shocked," one passenger told CBS station WFOR-TV after getting off the Wednesday flight.

Another passenger said she was disappointed.

"They wouldn't really say anything, and I don't believe they told the flight attendants anything either because they said all they could say was there was an extreme incident with a passenger and they had to turn around," she told the station.

Airlines reported nearly 6,000 incidents involving unruly passengers last year and 151 in the first two weeks of this year, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Most of them involved passengers who refused to wear masks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60080080

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That is completely crazy


They should have locked her in one of the toilets ... sorry I’m not feeling very tolerant today


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[arista]

"That is completely crazy"


They need to Make sure everyone will
put a mask on
before they get on a Plane.


And make it a $10,000 fine

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

57.549 new cases

1.108 total hospitalisations

287 total on ICU's/ventilators, 11 new patients on ICU's

12 new deaths

117 new patients on nursing wards

[arista]

The Irish PM
is Live on SkyNewsHD

with his changes

Keeping Masks, though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they need to get the masks of children

its abuse

[arista]

Friday 21/1/22

288 have Died
95,787 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,976


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
664


153,490 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/