The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[Glenn.]

Poor Tezza

[arista]

[Labour not ruling out a second no-confidence vote if the first fails
A Labour spokesperson said if Wednesday's no-confidence motion
leaves Mrs May in power, the party would consider a second attempt. ]

Sure Labour
knock yourself out.................

[arista]

Poor Tezza


it's her own fault

[Sticks]

No, it was Cameron's

[Glenn.]

it's her own fault

No it wasn’t?

[arista]

No it wasn’t?


Its her that changed the Plan
and stuck with it.

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[arista]

No, it was Cameron's


Of Course way back then


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[Cherie]

The SNP say they will go their own way?
On Ch4HD NewsLive

Please

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Labour (John McDonnell ) are moaning (on SkyNewsHD)
although the PM wants to talk
she has ruled out staying in the Custom Union.

Of Course that's staying in the EU.

[arista]

Loads of MP's are Demanding the PM rules out "No Deal"
they are being stupid
as Today she is having a No Confidence Government vote at 7PM - 7:15PM
if she said she is cancelling "No Deal"
over 100 Conservative's MP's could then vote with Labour against
the Government.
Then a General Election.


Her Plan B sketch is due on Monday.

[Cherie]

Loads of MP's are Demanding the PM rules out "No Deal"
they are being stupid
as Today she is having a No Confidence Government vote at 7PM - 7:15PM
if she said she is cancelling "No Deal"
over 100 Conservative's MP's could then vote with Labour against
the Government.
Then a General Election.


Her Plan B sketch is due on Monday.

Plan B is the peoples vote

[arista]

Plan B is the peoples vote


No today Live in Parliament
She Ruled that OUT



The Labour leader also seems
not to want one

[Sticks]

As I said yesterday

Plan B is Hard Brexit without a deal on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland

[arista]

The Government has Won
the No Confidence vote 325

Voting Yes to get them out was 306


She has invited The Labour Leader for Brexit talks
Tonight

[joeysteele]

Let's hope it's dawned on her but I doubt it.
That but for the DUP, she'd be out.
Corbyn was right to ask that no deal must be taken off the table.

There's likely a bigger majority against that, than in last night's vote.

Equally so the requests from the SNP leader too, of which no deal was one of his requests to be on the table to be discounted too.

I'm sure the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru and Caroline Lucas will want the same.

Let's see if she is now really going to compromise and not deceive again with pathetic lip service to the issue.

[Withano]

Sad that she was invited twice to turn down a no deal and she remained silent.

[Glenn.]

They can **** off with a people’s vote.

[Northern Monkey]

Corbyn moving the goal posts again.He’s been offered a cross party meeting to work with the government but seemed to suggest he’d refuse to cooperate unless no deal is removed from the table.
Another impossible demand along with his “six tests”.
Basically doing everything he can to frustrate the government and leaving the EU.Joker.

You can’t take no deal off the table until you get a deal.For that he needs to talk.
Maybe he didn’t come accross like he thought but that’s what he sounded like he was implying.
I don’t believe he would vote for ANY proposed deal unless it was his deal under him as PM.

[joeysteele]

Sad that she was invited twice to turn down a no deal and she remained silent.

Which leaves the suspicion she may be intending to deceive again.

It's all she's done, she should have consulted all from the start.
She didn't

Now it's only right, those she's tried to exclude and deceive before, they have every right to expect their views to be considered.
She now needs them, not vice versa.

She survived tonight.
Any decent person or Prime Minister would have resigned after last night and after all her procrastination of the last 2+ years.

Although I'm not fully in favour, I now wish Labour would seize the advantage and back a vote on her deal, no deal or no brexit to the public again.
That is where she has brought all to likely, unless she really is genuine in her offer to properly consult.

Which I very much doubt he is.

[Scarlett.]

I think its time for Corbyn to step down, Labour needs to be a real opposition again

[Glenn.]

He won’t even meet with her lmao. Silly little man.

[AnnieK]

Corbyn has shot himself in the foot by refusing to meet with her. Even members of his own party agree. This is now such a farce....its just become a pissing contest. Embarrassing

[joeysteele]

What a farce.
She could have said that in the morning.

To be fair Corbyn should have met her but he is also right to test how genuine she is by asking for no deal to be taken off the table.

She, if she genuinely wants to get some deal now, she can't want no deal in that case.
So to say in order to win consensus on a deal, she'd drop that, should have been easy to do for her.

Ah no though, because if she did that, she'd infuriate the Rees-Mogg and Johnson elements of her party.

I hoped she was coming out to say she was resigning, what a massive disappointment.

[Sticks]

Labour have always been arrogant and refusing to co-operate with other parties, even if it let in the Conservatives if they didn't.

[arista]

He won’t even meet with her lmao. Silly little man.



Yes he demands she removes her red line
blocking his Customs Union.
And of course "No Deal" can not be taken off the table
that's our fast back up


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[arista]

What a farce.
She could have said that in the morning.

To be fair Corbyn should have met her but he is also right to test how genuine she is by asking for no deal to be taken off the table.

She, if she genuinely wants to get some deal now, she can't want no deal in that case.
So to say in order to win consensus on a deal, she'd drop that, should have been easy to do for her.

Ah no though, because if she did that, she'd infuriate the Rees-Mogg and Johnson elements of her party.

I hoped she was coming out to say she was resigning, what a massive disappointment.


Of Course Joey
No change in anything from last night

[bots]

The way to reduce the chances of a no deal brexit is to achieve a workable consensus in parliament. Corbyn is being a fool.

Brexit has always been a pissing contest, and I blame all MP's from all parties for it. They are more concerned about scoring political points than actually providing the nation with a workable brexit solution.

Corbyn, tried his motion of no confidence, it didn't work, now he should take advantage of the opportunity to be involved in formulating a brexit solution. It would gain far more admiration from the British people than the path he is currently on. May is finished as soon as these Brexit negotiations are completed, and if Corbyn is not very careful he will be finished too.

I think if Corbyn doesn't actively involve himself in negotiations today, then he will be bypassed by other labour MP's and he may well then find that his party votes along with others in parliament and leaves him behind.

[joeysteele]

No deal is not any bargaining issue anymore.
The EU sees our news too.
They now know, MPs would now near riot if no deal really became an option.

The EU know as, May does, and we know barely around 100 MPs would back no deal.
If she allowed it to happen by default, she'd have Parliament in uproar and her own Party dangerously splitting.

So it can no longer realistically he an option.
Except to be put on a new ballot to the public.
Which she also doesn't want and nor does Corbyn.

So remove it if she's genuine.
It should be the easiest part of the matter now.
everyone must now know,unless they live on another planet.
MPs will never back no deal in Parliament.
They also know,even from her own Party, they will never allow it to happen by default.
Everyone must know that now.

Only a new public vote, could contain no deal as an option to vote for.

If she genuinely is consulting and listening to, rather than just hearing their voices, then she has to remove some of the things, her stubbornness has brought this situation to now.

[arista]

"No deal is not any bargaining issue anymore."

Correct Joey
it's now our Back Up Plan
with only 36 days in Parliament sitting times
before 29th March 2019

[arista]

MPs to vote on PM's Brexit plan B on 29 January


Meanwhile France activates no-deal Brexit plans


Life In The City

[bots]

MPs to vote on PM's Brexit plan B on 29 January


Meanwhile France activates no-deal Brexit plans


Life In The City

All that will happen there is that the French workers will be out in force blockading our lorries and shipments .... it doesn't need a plan. For those too young to remember, it's what they always used to do before we became members of the EU

[arista]

All that will happen there is that the French workers will be out in force blockading our lorries and shipments .... it doesn't need a plan. For those too young to remember, it's what they always used to do before we became members of the EU


But in the end Money will make Brexit
work


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[The Slim Reaper]

2 years of this insanity, and now because Corbyn wants parameters set up before they meet, he's the one about to ruin it?

I think he should meet, but lets not lose sight of wtf has been happening for the last 2 years.

[arista]

2 years of this insanity, and now because Corbyn wants parameters set up before they meet, he's the one about to ruin it?

I think he should meet, but lets not lose sight of wtf has been happening for the last 2 years.


Sadly
Corbyn used not going
as a Election drive in Hastings
this morning.


Everyone with sense
said he should have seen her first
then said his plan can not mix with hers
afterwards etc.

[Cherie]

Sadly
Corbyn used not going
as a Election drive in Hastings
this morning.


Everyone with sense
said he should have seen her first
then said his plan can not mix with hers
afterwards etc.

:umm2: it is most bizarre behaviour

[arista]

:umm2: it is most bizarre behaviour



Its like him being Elected
is more important than Brexit?

[Rob!]

Laugh at the remains all you like, I am still yet to see a single positive article, news story or statistic that says that leaving was a good idea. Feel free to provide any of the above if you can find one and want the people who voted remain to stop feeling concerned about the future of the country.

This post was from 2016. It's still completely true.

[Withano]

Corbyn is so mean for not meeting. Idc if he wants ‘stop suggesting the country will starve to death’ off the table, he should just meet her anyway, food and medicine shortages should remain a possibility for now! Thats not the priority right now! Amirite.

[joeysteele]

Its like him being Elected
is more important than Brexit?

Thing is, he knows that cannot be guaranteed.
I don't think either main party would win an election at present.

It may, give or take a few seats, just be like now.
His only hope is to get to be the largest party, or close to it
For to ensure the anti Conservative majority in Parliament, ( except for the revolting DUP), wouldn't bring his government down.

Which is why, I have now come to support more another referendum, on whatever government deal is offered, no deal, or no brexit.

Parliament and the Country are near deadlocked.
I know of leave voters who desperately want no deal.
I know of leave voters who want a deal and would not support no deal.

I know remain voters who want a deal.
I know remain voters who would vote no brexit , my choice.

I think we are served really badly by both Party leaders.
I think we must have the worst 2 there has likely ever been.


Do a referendum only on the deal or no deal.
Then a majority decision can be found.
However remain supporters in all Parties, will insist on no brexit on the ballot too.
Which will probably bring an indecisive result.

The opposition always has to try for an election and last night showed,.all other Parties would have voted her government down.
Except for the DUP.

I think Corbyn should meet her and then come out and tell the likely truth.
She didn't and wouldn't listen.
Both are playing pathetic games and both failing the UK bigtime.

[bots]

Labour MP Mike Gapes, a longstanding critic of Mr Corbyn, who told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "Jeremy Corbyn has been quite happy in the past to talk to Hamas, Hezobollah... I find it extraordinary he's not prepared to go and meet the prime minister."

[Northern Monkey]

Labour MP Mike Gapes, a longstanding critic of Mr Corbyn, who told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "Jeremy Corbyn has been quite happy in the past to talk to Hamas, Hezobollah... I find it extraordinary he's not prepared to go and meet the prime minister."

Fiona Bruce said the same on QT.

Speaking about Hezbollah and Hamas Corbyn said “You have to be prepared to talk with people you profoundly disagree”

Yet he won’t even talk to the Conservatives :conf:

[joeysteele]

Labour MP Mike Gapes, a longstanding critic of Mr Corbyn, who told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "Jeremy Corbyn has been quite happy in the past to talk to Hamas, Hezobollah... I find it extraordinary he's not prepared to go and meet the prime minister."

I agree with that.
He should meet her.

Even just to go through the motions of it.
I don't believe she is genuine, however even just to tell her what he thinks of her procrastination and incompetence.

Which she could rightly fire back at him too.

I wish we had 2 entirely different leaders of both main Parties.

At least they'd have met if he agreed to see her but I don't believe for one minute she would take on board anything Corbyn said or asked for though.

[arista]

From BBC Politics Special 7PM
with Andrew Neil Thurs.17th
they concluded Corbyn would have a No Deal (the default way out)
so he can then take over power of the country , after.

Vince Cable will no longer stand with Corbyn's
future "No Confidence in the Government" calls
he says that is cynical and wrong
to keep calling them.

[Sticks]

Labour DO NOT and WILL NOT co-operate with any other party because with one heave they will do it all them selves

Labour has always had that arrogant attitude, even under Kinnock "who said no pacts, no deals"

BTW Mike Gapes MP is going to be deselected for criticising Saint Jeremy as will all MP's who spoke to Theresa this week. Momentum are in charge and like Jeremy, whatever he says publicly, welcome whole heartedly crashing out of the EU with no deal and a hard border across Northern Ireland. It will be a golden opportunity and sunny golden uplands of No Deal Brexit.

Anyone here saying otherwise will have Momentum to answer to :nono:

[Cherie]

Its like him being Elected
is more important than Brexit?

it was clear from the weekend interview with Andrew Marr that is all he is interested in, he cares nothing for the people in this country he is just desperate to walk a fine line between remain and leave so he keeps as many Labour voters on side as he can

[Northern Monkey]

it was clear from the weekend interview with Andrew Marr that is all he is interested in, he cares nothing for the people in this country he is just desperate to walk a fine line between remain and leave so he keeps as many Labour voters on side as he can

Didn’t see that but that’s the impression i get too.Anytime anyone wants to make any progress his tactic is be as stubborn and difficult as possible and move the goalposts abit further so that no consensus can be reached.He has no interest in working cross party to find a solution.The public are seeing this now and it doesn’t look good.He’s appealing to his hardcore Momentum base and pissing everyone else off.

[reece(:]

https://i.imgur.com/m6TSpEC.png

[joeysteele]

Didn’t see that but that’s the impression i get too.Anytime anyone wants to make any progress his tactic is be as stubborn and difficult as possible and move the goalposts abit further so that no consensus can be reached.He has no interest in working cross party to find a solution.The public are seeing this now and it doesn’t look good.He’s appealing to his hardcore Momentum base and pissing everyone else off.



Both leaders are being stubborn, none more so than the PM.
Of course Labour wants an election just as all opposition Parties do.

She wanted one after just 2 years of the last one in 2015, and had one.

As for him, (and Corbyn is not my choice for leader of Labour), just appealing to his hard core support in the Labour party.
If you were right in that.
He would be leading the fight for a new public vote on brexit every day.
Because his hardcore support in the Party are screaming for just that.

He isn't, he doesn't want one.
So hardly is he just trying to appeal to his hardcore support at all within Labour.

[arista]

https://i.imgur.com/m6TSpEC.png



No this is Brexit
is stupid to compare years back


It just means loads on her party
would not allow her changed plan.

[arista]

May tells Corbyn it is 'impossible' to rule out 'no-deal' Brexit
https://news.sky.com/story/may-tells-corbyn-it-is-impossible-to-rule-out-no-deal-brexit-11610101

[Withano]

May tells Corbyn it is 'impossible' to rule out 'no-deal' Brexit
https://news.sky.com/story/may-tells-corbyn-it-is-impossible-to-rule-out-no-deal-brexit-11610101

She’s wrong and she’s dangerous.

[arista]

She’s wrong and she’s dangerous.


It was on BBC1HD QT
last night.


Its a legal measure
she is correct to say she can not take it out.



There is only around 35 days or less
in parliament sittings

[Withano]

It was on BBC1HD QT
last night.


Its a legal measure
she is correct to say she can not take it out.



There is only around 35 days or less
in parliament sittings

No, she can postpone the deadline and she can scrap the whole thing - everybody in the world should agree that both these options are better than leaving the EU without a trade deal (but like some are stubborn). She’s effectively suggesting that the country literally suffering should remain a possibility. She is wrong and she is dangerous.

[Sticks]

Leaving without a deal will be the making of us and a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a No Deal Hard Brexit on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

That nice man Ree-Smog told us so

[joeysteele]

No, she can postpone the deadline and she can scrap the whole thing - everybody in the world should agree that both these options are better than leaving the EU without a trade deal (but like some are stubborn). She’s effectively suggesting that the country literally suffering should remain a possibility. She is wrong and she is dangerous.


You are Right
That is what Anand said on QT too.

He even said,if she wanted to, she could have another referendum held within 6 months.

He blew her stances right out the water.

She's the one who has procrastinated all through this process, talking to no one in depth, across Parliament or country, no one else really.

[bots]

what people seem to be missing is that there is no deal, its the conditions the EU are prepared to to business with us. We can either choose to accept those conditions or not. There never has been any negotiation since the beginning. So having a vote on it can never be about a "new" deal because it was never a deal in the first place ... we either accept it or we don't :laugh:

We could hold another ref, but it would serve no useful purpose at this stage, unless it was to accept the EU conditions or not.

[arista]

No, she can postpone the deadline and she can scrap the whole thing - everybody in the world should agree that both these options are better than leaving the EU without a trade deal (but like some are stubborn). She’s effectively suggesting that the country literally suffering should remain a possibility. She is wrong and she is dangerous.



Yes and upset half the Country.

[arista]

You are Right
That is what Anand said on QT too.

He even said,if she wanted to, she could have another referendum held within 6 months.

He blew her stances right out the water.

She's the one who has procrastinated all through this process, talking to no one in depth, across Parliament or country, no one else really.


Thats Corrupt
you need a Plan to vote on
not "No Deal Out " or remain?


Thats why she is not doing that

[arista]

Leaving without a deal will be the making of us and a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a No Deal Hard Brexit on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

That nice man Ree-Smog told us so


We still have to see her next plan
a sketch of it on Monday

[Northern Monkey]

Both leaders are being stubborn, none more so than the PM.
Of course Labour wants an election just as all opposition Parties do.

She wanted one after just 2 years of the last one in 2015, and had one.

As for him, (and Corbyn is not my choice for leader of Labour), just appealing to his hard core support in the Labour party.
If you were right in that.
He would be leading the fight for a new public vote on brexit every day.
Because his hardcore support in the Party are screaming for just that.

He isn't, he doesn't want one.
So hardly is he just trying to appeal to his hardcore support at all within Labour.
Well that(second ref) could be his next move when he’s sure that there won’t be a GE.It was one of his many “everything’s on the table” options.
He obviously doesn’t want a deal to go through under May as he’s unwilling to add his input.
To me he is doing everything possible to be uncooperative with the government.Yes it’s his job as opposition to oppose but the people(the many) want the parties to come together and try gain some consensus to get something through to get us out of this limbo.His hardcore supporters don’t want that,They don’t want any cooperation with the government.
Imo.

[joeysteele]

Well that(second ref) could be his next move when he’s sure that there won’t be a GE.It was one of his many “everything’s on the table” options.
He obviously doesn’t want a deal to go through under May as he’s unwilling to add his input.
To me he is doing everything possible to be uncooperative with the government.Yes it’s his job as opposition to oppose but the people(the many) want the parties to come together and try gain some consensus to get something through to get us out of this limbo.His hardcore supporters don’t want that,They don’t want any cooperation with the government.
Imo.

The clue is in the word opposition.
He leads opposition to the government.
He isn't there to willy nilly cooperate with it.

However, she is the one who has consulted hsrdly anyone of other Parties, except the DUP of course.

Indeed, not even listening to the other UK Nations either.

She decided to make the EU issue which was a parliamentary campaign of all Parties.
She made it a solely Conservative government one.
Excluding all others.

From the start this should have been a cross party consensus parliamentary negotiation.

She has brought us where we are, no one else.
She took over from her own brexit Ministers.
Losing 2 of them in the process.

Only she, with the extreme DUP, have the power to include or exclude from this issue.

No other Party has access to government.

She describes herself as a difficult woman.
That's not a trait good in a PM.


Good PMs need to be inclusive not divisive.
Need to listen to others and not just hear their voices.
Need to be able to appropriately compromise not block compromise.

She hasn't the will, and I doubt even the ability, to be any of those things.

[arista]

[Mrs May is expected to bring whatever plan B
comes together to parliament on Monday 21 January,]


https://news.sky.com/story/the-brexit-puzzle-where-westminster-stands-on-what-happens-next-11609854

[Sticks]

Which will be Hard Brexit with No deal. We understand that large amounts of razor wire is being sourced for the new physical Hard Border across Ulster, and we are getting ready to re-arrest all the IRA terrorists that were released under the Good Friday Agreement when it collapses due to the new hard border

:thumbs:

[Northern Monkey]

The clue is in the word opposition.
He leads opposition to the government.
He isn't there to willy nilly cooperate with it.

However, she is the one who has consulted hsrdly anyone of other Parties, except the DUP of course.

Indeed, not even listening to the other UK Nations either.

She decided to make the EU issue which was a parliamentary campaign of all Parties.
She made it a solely Conservative government one.
Excluding all others.

From the start this should have been a cross party consensus parliamentary negotiation.

She has brought us where we are, no one else.
She took over from her own brexit Ministers.
Losing 2 of them in the process.

Only she, with the extreme DUP, have the power to include or exclude from this issue.

No other Party has access to government.

She describes herself as a difficult woman.
That's not a trait good in a PM.


Good PMs need to be inclusive not divisive.
Need to listen to others and not just hear their voices.
Need to be able to appropriately compromise not block compromise.

She hasn't the will, and I doubt even the ability, to be any of those things.
Can’t argue with any of that regarding May.She has royally fecked up Brexit and she should have gone to work with the other parties much earlier for sure.
We are where we are now though with not long left and Jezza is being more difficult than May.Now isn’t the time for that.Ruling out no deal and throwing away our only bargaining chip would be a huge mistake which May knows.
The EU will come back to the table before the 29th March,The Germans are already panicking.We can’t go in with no ammo.

It seems to me that Corbyn would vote against ANY deal that the government proposed.Even if it aligned with Labours “A customs union and guaranteed workers rights” just to oppose the government and play politics.


It’s turned into Parliament vs The people with Parliament doing everything it can to overrule the people.

[reece(:]

Theresa May has left European diplomats in a state of “disbelief” following a series of phone calls to EU leaders in which she made no change to her demands despite her Brexit plan being voted down by a 230-vote margin this week.

Senior EU diplomatic sources said that Mrs May’s unchanged stance was “greeted with incredulity” following a call with the German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday night.

“It was the same old story - the same set of demands - all unchanged despite the defeat,” said the source with knowledge of the calls.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/

[arista]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/



Yes she is going in Circles
and also
will she go live tomorrow
on one the 2 TV Live Political shows?


And say something New????????????????????

[Sticks]

Yes she is going in Circles


It's a mad world...

[arista]

It's a mad world...


From EuroNews Ch

Portugal Reassures
UK residents living in their nation
they are safe and protected
even in a No Deal solution




Yes Sticks it is mad to go round saying nearly the same deal
and Labour are not permitted to be in the single market and leave - So they are worse.

[Sticks]

And now for some music...

4N3N1MlvVc4

[lime]

Leaving without a deal will be the making of us and a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a No Deal Hard Brexit on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

That nice man Ree-Smog told us so

hope this is sarcasim:blush:

[Niamh.]

Car bomb just went off in Derry, I hope this isn't the start of something

[Braden]

Car bomb just went off in Derry, I hope this isn't the start of something

Read this after a notification popped up and thought the exact same thing.

[arista]

Car bomb just went off in Derry, I hope this isn't the start of something

[Suspected car bomb explodes outside Derry/Londonderry court house]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/01/1096x616/skynews-derry-londonderry-bomb_4551352.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190119205005


A message for Brexit?
Police must get the truth


Suspected car bomb
explodes outside Derry/Londonderry court house.
https://news.sky.com/story/suspected-car-bomb-explodes-outside-derrylondonderry-court-house-11612320

Update: 2 men arrested
they took a pizza delivery vehicle

[Sticks]

Just proves that the sooner we end the Good Friday Agreement, which was appeasement of the IRA, the better, which is what a Hard, No Deal, Brexit will do with a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

[Withano]

Yes and upset half the Country.

No deal would upset all of the country, so.

[arista]

No deal would upset all of the country, so.


No it would not
it would be a blip
then we will sort it all out


Tomorrow The PM is live in Parliament
with her Plan B,
but everyone seems to think its her old deal
that was voted down by Mega numbers.

[arista]

New Zealand's Prime Minister Lady (their Labour Party)
was on BBCNewsHD with Victoria Derbyshire
she says a free trade deal is possible even with a no deal.

She will be visiting the PM before Parliament at 3PM or 3:30PM
but sadly can not get time to visit the Labour Leader.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46946692


Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

The PM is now speaking Live in Parliament - all media


Any that paid £65 to stay in this nation after 2020
will now get a Refund , she has waved the fee.

[arista]

No change
just No one has to now pay to be a citizen
and She is going back to the EU
to ask for Backstop to be changed?

Of course the 27 nations have said no to that?


How the feck is she not updated???????????????????



She again invited the Labour leader for talks
And she is keeping her No Deal

[arista]

PMQ's today
again the PM invited the Labour Leader
for talks.

Again
He said she must withdraw "No Deal" first.


FECK ALL has changed.

[Twosugars]

No change
just No one has to now pay to be a citizen
and She is going back to the EU
to ask for Backstop to be changed?

Of course the 27 nations have said no to that?


How the feck is she not updated???????????????????



She again invited the Labour leader for talks
And she is keeping her No Deal

not citizen, but to get settled status
there's a big difference

no deal is a disaster, 5/6 of mps are against it, Corbyn is doing everybody a favour trying to force her to drop it

[arista]

not citizen, but to get settled status
there's a big difference

no deal is a disaster, 5/6 of mps are against it, Corbyn is doing everybody a favour trying to force her to drop it


Its written in Law

She will not change it
its her back up




Also the Back Bencher Labour MP's
that are trying to get Article 50 Extended
can not happen - As the EU will not allow it
just for the MP's to waste more time talking

[Tom4784]

If No Deal becomes the only option, we need to have another referendum to make sure that it's what people truly want since a lot of the Brexit campaign's promises seem to have evaporated since 2016.

If we want to leave regardless, we leave and if not, we reassess our options.

[arista]

If No Deal becomes the only option, we need to have another referendum to make sure that it's what people truly want since a lot of the Brexit campaign's promises seem to have evaporated since 2016.

If we want to leave regardless, we leave and if not, we reassess our options.



No thats not going to happen
as all you want is to remain,
Give Brexit a Chance



Dezzy write a Novel
on it.

[hijaxers]

If No Deal becomes the only option, we need to have another referendum to make sure that it's what people truly want since a lot of the Brexit campaign's promises seem to have evaporated since 2016.

If we want to leave regardless, we leave and if not, we reassess our options.

NO no no there will not be another referendum , we are leaving and the quicker the better.

[hijaxers]

not citizen, but to get settled status
there's a big difference

no deal is a disaster, 5/6 of mps are against it, Corbyn is doing everybody a favour trying to force her to drop it

Corbyn was totally stupid saying that , but then no one will vote for him whatever he says or does. I'm left with no one to vote for so the quicker Corbyn goes the better.

[reece(:]

On Politics Live, Laura K spills that if GE is called cons MP that don't back May's manifesto/deal may be de-selected :skull:

[Jack_]

On Politics Live, Laura K spills that if GE is called cons MP that don't black May's manifesto/deal may be de-selected :skull:

Not sure if they've been posted in this thread but there's serious whispers and evidence of a GE on the horizon and I had to wonder what the point of that would be from Theresa May's perspective, it seems it's to bully and threaten the anti-Brexiters in her party to toe the line and vote her deal through or risk losing their seat :think:

[Cherie]

Ironically May's deal is the only viable option at the moment

[bots]

A no deal has to be kept on the table, because to remove it could mean we never leave the EU. Legally, that is a non starter and Corbyn knows it. Parliament is still capable of stopping the government from having a no deal by voting for the current deal ... again Corbyn knows this.

Let me also highlight one more time as so many seem to be ignoring it, including parliament. Any deal that we sign up to now can be adjusted at a later date by the government of the day. If labour want to join the customs union, they can negotiate that possibility with the EU when they get in to power. Again, Corbyn and all his cronies know this. So, what is their game now other than playing politics

[Nicky91]

A no deal has to be kept on the table, because to remove it could mean we never leave the EU. Legally, that is a non starter and Corbyn knows it. Parliament is still capable of stopping the government from having a no deal by voting for the current deal ... again Corbyn knows this.

Let me also highlight one more time as so many seem to be ignoring it, including parliament. Any deal that we sign up to now can be adjusted at a later date by the government of the day. If labour want to join the customs union, they can negotiate that possibility with the EU when they get in to power. Again, Corbyn and all his cronies know this. So, what is their game now other than playing politics

yes because you guys feel so much better than the EU, with all your delusions of still thinking to be an empire

good god, i find it laughable like seriously i'm laughing so much right now at all this mess in british parliament, the whole brexit-gate

[Withano]

A no deal has to be kept on the table, because to remove it could mean we never leave the EU. Legally, that is a non starter and Corbyn knows it. Parliament is still capable of stopping the government from having a no deal by voting for the current deal ... again Corbyn knows this.

Let me also highlight one more time as so many seem to be ignoring it, including parliament. Any deal that we sign up to now can be adjusted at a later date by the government of the day. If labour want to join the customs union, they can negotiate that possibility with the EU when they get in to power. Again, Corbyn and all his cronies know this. So, what is their game now other than playing politics

Both no deal and May’s deal quite clearly leaves the country in a worse state than remaining would, May and her cronies (and the other Tories that hate May) know this, so what exactly is their game?

I’d imagine Corbyn’s is pushing for something at least just as good as remaining otherwise whats the point.

[bots]

Both no deal and May’s deal quite clearly leaves the country in a worse state than remaining would, May and her cronies (and the other Tories that hate May) know this, so what exactly is their game?

I’d imagine Corbyn’s is pushing for something at least just as good as remaining otherwise whats the point.

but we are not remaining, we are leaving ... so everything after you making that point is meaningless

[Cherie]

Both no deal and May’s deal quite clearly leaves the country in a worse state than remaining would, May and her cronies (and the other Tories that hate May) know this, so what exactly is their game?

I’d imagine Corbyn’s is pushing for something at least just as good as remaining otherwise whats the point.

That would be cherry picking and that is not going to happen :laugh:

[Withano]

but we are not remaining, we are leaving ... so everything after you making that point is meaningless

So surely you can see where Corbyn is coming from? But we’re still a bit confused about what the Tories are aiming for.

Basically the tories are there saying “its either very ****, or pain and suffering” and Corbyns there like “well lets take pain and suffering off the table so we can discuss how to make it a bit less ****” and the tories are there saying “no pain and suffering is gonna stay as an option”... and thats where we’re at. Why aren’t the tories aiming higher like Corbyn?

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/video/peoples-vote-mps-pull-second-referendum-amendment-11616117

The Political group that were to ask for a 2nd vote
have given up. (Due Corbyn not backing their motion)
A few Conservatives and Labour MP group.

[arista]

CEO Tom Enders spoke from Davos on all TV news

[Airbus helps No 10 'make clear
' impact of 'no-deal' Brexit
Airbus SVP Katherine Bennett told
Sky News the firm was 'happy' to help,
as 'no deal' is potentially catastrophic
for the company.]


https://news.sky.com/story/airbus-helps-no-10-make-clear-impact-of-no-deal-brexit-11616357

[arista]

Andrea Leadsom has said that the EU may be prepared to grant the UK a "couple of extra weeks" beyond the 29 March deadline to finalise preparations for Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47008099

[arista]

[PM Theresa May tells EU to re-open Brexit negotiations to get deal passed
All the latest updates from Westminster ahead of crucial votes on a series of amendments to the course of Brexit.]


[12:22
Corbyn likely to face resignations
The Labour leader will probably face ministers
quitting from his shadow frontbench this morning
at the news he will back Cooper's amendment
to potentially delay Brexit.
Sky News understands
it will be "mostly non-shadow cabinet".]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-braces-for-crunch-votes-on-brexit-plan-b-11621170


Around 7PM they say
the amendments
will be announced and will we go in Circles?
Or get a change?

[The Slim Reaper]

The EU will tell her to robot dance herself back to London.

I'm glad Brexit is as easy as it was promised, otherwise this could have got messy by now.

[arista]

The EU will tell her to robot dance herself back to London.

I'm glad Brexit is as easy as it was promised, otherwise this could have got messy by now.



The EU Leaders want her over there
Once she knows what she is doing.

[Nicky91]

The EU Leaders want her over there
Once she knows what she is doing.


this song totally suits her right now

h4-lKMGII_k

[arista]

The PM is talking Live now


The Speaker announces that the following amendments have been "provisionally selected" and will be voted on in the following order:

(A) Jeremy Corbyn's amendment, which is the Labour amendment.
(O) Ian Blackford, the Westminster leader of the SNP
(G) Dominic Grieve
(B) Yvette Cooper
(J) Rachel Reeves
(I) Dame Caroline Spelman
(N) Sir Graham Brady

[arista]

Vote (A) Corbyn

just lost by 31 voters

For 296
Against 327


And

Vote (O) Ian Blackford, the Westminster leader of the SNP

He Lost as well
Yes 39
Against 327

[arista]

Vote (G) Dominic Grieve

Yes 301
Against 321

Another Loss.

And

Vote (B) Yvette Cooper

Yes 298
Against 321

Another loss.

[MTVN]

So far so good for Mrs May

[arista]

So far so good for Mrs May


Yes to many votes.

[arista]

Vote (J) Rachel Reeves

Yes 290
Against 322

Another Labour Loss

And

Vote (I) Dame Caroline Spelman Conservative & Jack Dromey Labour
Yes 318
Against 310

A Win

[MTVN]

Now this is the one she could lose apparently :think:

[MTVN]

Chuka is fuming on Sky news :fan:

[arista]

Chuka is fuming on Sky news :fan:



Bad Loser

[smudgie]

Pleased for the losses so far tonight.
Extend article fifty for 2 years:fist:
I think not.
Either get out or stay in, soon as.

[reece(:]

Tragic @ the losses

[arista]

Tragic @ the losses


Vote (I) Dame Caroline Spelman Conservative & Jack Dromey Labour
Yes 318
Against 310

A Win


[The amendment, which tells the government to ask the EU to delay Brexit if no deal had been
passed in parliament by the end of February but does not specify how long for, has been passed.]

[Braden]

Vote (G) Dominic Grieve

Yes 301
Against 321

Another Loss.

And

Vote (B) Yvette Cooper

Yes 298
Against 321

Another loss.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcjrlpzc0a1qja3x0o1_500.gif

[arista]

Final Vote (N) Sir Graham Brady


Yes 317
Against 301


Another Win.



[The amendment, which calls for the Irish border backstop
to be "replaced with alternative arrangements", has been passed.]

[MTVN]

The PM can now get her deal through with changes to the backstop, how stubborn are the EU prepared to be?

[reece(:]

Oop

1090350275913748480

[arista]

Oop

1090350275913748480



Yes
No Deal wins

[smudgie]

Yes
No Deal wins

Looking like the only option, the ball is in their court now.

[joeysteele]

What an absolute farce.

I could near support clearing the whole lot of present MPs out.
Hopefully replacing them with better ones.

Never ever I think, has the UK been so badly served and led so tragically as by this PM, her Government and also the opposition too.

She's now off to try to do, what she was told by the vote 2 weeks to do.
However she's had to be forced.

Her procrastination is dangerous.
A total and utter farce.

[reece(:]

What an absolute farce.

I could near support clearing the whole lot of present MPs out.
Hopefully replacing them with better ones.

Never ever I think, has the UK been so badly served and led so tragically as by this PM, her Government and also the opposition too.

She's now off to try to do, what she was told by the vote 2 weeks to do.
However she's had to be forced.

Her procrastination is dangerous.
A total and utter farce.

Totally agree Joey.

[Sticks]

What happened to the motion that the Moon is made of Swiss Cheese not Green Cheese. It had just as much validity as all those other votes.


So off to the glorious Hard, No Deal Brexit a hard border across Northern Ireland and an end to the Good Friday Agreement.

[Northern Monkey]

Seemed like the Tories were coming back together again while Labour not all singing from the same hymn sheet.

[bots]

no deal it is then

[Beso]

What an absolute farce.

I could near support clearing the whole lot of present MPs out.
Hopefully replacing them with better ones.

Never ever I think, has the UK been so badly served and led so tragically as by this PM, her Government and also the opposition too.

She's now off to try to do, what she was told by the vote 2 weeks to do.
However she's had to be forced.

Her procrastination is dangerous.
A total and utter farce.


Perhaps not....she has them by the balls now...teasing them with that 39 billion on a stick..

Now even Corbyn's backtracked and will now meet her even though no deal is still on the table.


Well done tlthe PM....I knew she wouldn't let us down

[bots]

Perhaps not....she has them by the balls now...teasing them with that 39 billion on a stick..

Now even Corbyn's backtracked and will now meet her even though no deal is still on the table.


Well done tlthe PM....I knew she wouldn't let us down

it's a very high risk strategy given that she will cripple the country on a no deal outcome ... i don't consider it clever. The EU arent likely to cave on their stance. (Ireland can make sure they don't) The bigger picture has always been that the EU can't give a good deal to the UK because that would encourage other countries to leave too.

The probability of a no deal must be > 90% now .... i don't see that as good negotiation.

[joeysteele]

Total mess.
Unbelievable, Theresa May is accused of being vague, which she is re the backstop timing.
Then Con MPs and some pathetic Labour ones, support an amendment, saying replace the backstop with an alternative.
While completely evading identifying any alternative.
Bonkers.

Graham Brady's amendment was only passed because he's chairman of the powerful 1922 committee of the Con party.

The vote last night just took the whole of the UK into more uncertainty.
Yet that's called Con unity.

Mrs May 2 weeks ago, claimed she wanted to hear all views and held token, lip service meeting with others of other Parties.

Wasting their time as all she's supported is pandering to the far right of her party in the end.

If anyone is impressed with both the behaviour and voting of MPs last night, I say they are possibly easy pleased.

Of course round, whatever number is now, comes again in 2 weeks time, where possibly similar or stronger amendments, such as was voted down last night are likely to surface.

As for the DUP, that Party is a disgrace.
The influence it now has with 10 MPs across the whole of the UK is far from anything democratic.

The whole thing as it's being played out by this Government, however the opposition is not really trying to lead either, is sickening now to watch and listen to.

Last night was purely and simply, an exercise to hold the Con party together at this moment in time.
Nothing really about consulting all of Parliament or acting for the good of the whole UK.

Those who voted leave, remain, or who don't vote or not old enough to vote yet.
Across the board failed, all of them, by this PM and this farcical government.

[Nicky91]

What happened to the motion that the Moon is made of Swiss Cheese not Green Cheese. It had just as much validity as all those other votes.


So off to the glorious Hard, No Deal Brexit a hard border across Northern Ireland and an end to the Good Friday Agreement.

your ongoing xenophobic conquest against the irish is really tiresome :bored:

[arista]

"however the opposition is not really trying to lead either, "

Yes Joey
Corbyn should do TV Live interviews
but has stopped.

[Northern Monkey]

What happened to the motion that the Moon is made of Swiss Cheese not Green Cheese. It had just as much validity as all those other votes.


So off to the glorious Hard, No Deal Brexit a hard border across Northern Ireland and an end to the Good Friday Agreement.

You’re obsessed with Ireland.Nobody is going to put a hard border in Ireland even under no deal.Literally not one person(other than you) wants it.

[Beso]

it's a very high risk strategy given that she will cripple the country on a no deal outcome ... i don't consider it clever. The EU arent likely to cave on their stance. (Ireland can make sure they don't) The bigger picture has always been that the EU can't give a good deal to the UK because that would encourage other countries to leave too.

The probability of a no deal must be > 90% now .... i don't see that as good negotiation.



There is absolutely no proof that the uk will be crippled by a no deal brexit...not one tiny atom.

However, the struggling economies of France Germany etc just may be, which is why they will bend over and take it right up the bum in the end so they don't miss out on the 39 billion.

[Sticks]

You’re obsessed with Ireland.Nobody is going to put a hard border in Ireland even under no deal.Literally not one person(other than you) wants it.

Actually it was a EU big wig who has said that a No Deal Brexit will result in a Hard Border, I just report what they say. No malice against the Irish should be inferred Nicky91, this is EU law.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/5vM6SeHg1svRXvT0Rv-KUQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/ktT7Wb7RMOdafGlauYoF_mirror.JPG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/0W-CpKnzCAItN-8dZifIVg/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/I1SJqmFVTbKicB076qtt_guar.JPG

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/VIt8jPSlJ8OG2kDGUrMEBg/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/EEAksAaT0RXuS2Vk3Vvw_metro.JPG

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[arista]

Actually it was a EU big wig who has said that a No Deal Brexit will result in a Hard Border, I just report what they say. No malice against the Irish should be inferred Nicky91, this is EU law.


But that was Early on
they were saying just that.

Now its changing.

[bots]

There is absolutely no proof that the uk will be crippled by a no deal brexit...not one tiny atom.

However, the struggling economies of France Germany etc just may be, which is why they will bend over and take it right up the bum in the end so they don't miss out on the 39 billion.

you have got to be kidding, if you are not I will quote this later

[Beso]

you have got to be kidding, if you are not I will quote this later

You could quote some proof at the same time.

[Nicky91]

the proof about uk being crippled after no deal brexit is quite Obvious, already many companies have been leaving the UK for other european countries including my country


but then again i'd call that karma for those in parliament/politics who want this mess of a no deal brexit which was definitely not necessary and just an attempt of wanting to feel strong on their own, brexit should've more been like independence but still thinking what's best for normal middle class british people cause they are gonna suffer from the consequences of a ''hard no deal brexit'' more difficult to find jobs, also harder to find medicine since EMA and FDA have left the UK for us Netherlands

[arista]

There is absolutely no proof that the uk will be crippled by a no deal brexit...not one tiny atom.

However, the struggling economies of France Germany etc just may be, which is why they will bend over and take it right up the bum in the end so they don't miss out on the 39 billion.



Yes could be,
that would make sense.

Please Excuse me for Enlarging your Billions

[Sticks]

I feel a song coming on

We're leaving without a deal, we're leaving without a deal, ee I adio we're leaving without a deal

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/H9DoqS5vs5Sjj8J-9VUeXQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/ygnU8d6tT5WjgJmTXuYX_i.JPG

[arista]

Labour Leader Corbyn
is in Number 10
Finally talking to the PM.


In Brussels
Junker and Barnier (both Live on all TV news)
both agree to talks
but they accept
a No Deal is still possible

[Beso]

the proof about uk being crippled after no deal brexit is quite Obvious, already many companies have been leaving the UK for other european countries including my country


but then again i'd call that karma for those in parliament/politics who want this mess of a no deal brexit which was definitely not necessary and just an attempt of wanting to feel strong on their own, brexit should've more been like independence but still thinking what's best for normal middle class british people cause they are gonna suffer from the consequences of a ''hard no deal brexit'' more difficult to find jobs, also harder to find medicine since EMA and FDA have left the UK for us Netherlands

That's just not true about companies leaving, plenty have threatened to but why would you relocate to Germany who have admitted to losing control of immigration...or France who is about as stable as gc on ice.

[arista]

A Green MEP From Belgium
accepts No Deal
saying its better to have a one off hit
than many hits


Speaking SkyNewsHD Live
a few minutes back.

[Beso]

Many will however move their eu headquarters if they were in the uk...of course...but that's not the whole company upping sticks and pissing off. All it is is a necessary move to have your companies eu headquarters actually in the EU. ..which makes sense.

[arista]

Yes some are making plans to move.
Even though we do not yet have a outcome.
No trust in all the MP's
I can fully understand that.

[Sticks]

Many will however move their eu headquarters if they were in the uk...of course...but that's not the whole company upping sticks and pissing off. All it is is a necessary move to have your companies eu headquarters actually in the EU. ..which makes sense.

Why do they want to up me? What did I do to them?

[arista]

The next official Meeting in the EU
is 21st of March.

Of Course the PM can go to Brussel's
at any time - if she has a better plan.

[Cherie]

A Green MEP From Belgium
accepts No Deal
saying its better to have a one off hit
than many hits


Speaking SkyNewsHD Live
a few minutes back.

Can you tell me how bad this one off hit will be Arista? or can anyone

[arista]

Can you tell me how bad this one off hit will be Arista? or can anyone


Many Economists
say it could be 6 weeks or more of massive
change to get over.

Of course (maybe) in Ireland
it is them only - that would decide
if the 17 cross points
get official border controls.
(Irish army identifies 300 border crossing points)
Any traders that use the other cross points
will have to divert to the
new official 17 cross points
that would take a month to set up after
we leave.

[arista]

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunts asks (on Radio4 AM)
for a 2 week extension
like the Leader of the House did some days ago.

But Number 10
Maintains we leave on the 29th March 11PM which is a Friday

[The Slim Reaper]

Can you tell me how bad this one off hit will be Arista? or can anyone

tr8qYXgPHBM

A balanced view from people on both sides, but anyone suggesting it might only be 6 weeks of disruption is living in cloud cuckooland.

[arista]

[A balanced view from people on both sides, but anyone suggesting it might only be 6 weeks of disruption is living in cloud cuckooland.]

Sure that's why I said 6 weeks or more

Good Old Clips From Ch4HD news

[Cherie]

6 weeks seems a very short timeframe, I would say more like years, rather than months or weeks, but what I want to know is what is the hit,...jobs? weak pound, food price increases, shortages of fresh produce where is the truth because no one seems to want to say what this hit is while at the same time saying we should take the hit...

[bots]

i wonder if May will resign on the 30th of March with a big F U

[Cherie]

i wonder if May will resign on the 30th of March with a big F U

I wouldn't blame her I would have run for the hills a long time ago :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

6 weeks seems a very short timeframe, I would say more like years, rather than months or weeks, but what I want to know is what is the hit,...jobs? weak pound, food price increases, shortages of fresh produce where is the truth because no one seems to want to say what this hit is while at the same time saying we should take the hit...

It will hit all of it. Food prices will rise and the food coming in will be less safe, products will be removed that we're used to (but they may return later). Of course there are likely to be shortages depending on the stockpiling that has been going on. No one knows how severe, but it will be bad.

Still, we fcuking hate foreigners so every cloud...

[joeysteele]

i wonder if May will resign on the 30th of March with a big F U

No she won't.
She loves the title PM too much, no matter how terrible she is at it.

She has to clear off in 18 months or so.
The Conservatives will rightly want a new leader to get bedded into the job before the next election in 2022.

So she'll stay there come what may.

[reece(:]

Claire CLOCKED

1090020771399852032

[Cherie]

Claire CLOCKED

1090020771399852032

He was like a rabbit in headlines there didn't answer the question, why on earth would Ireland want to leave the EU, its clear Farage thought of nobody but himself and his vanity project

[Tom4784]

Claire CLOCKED

1090020771399852032

I love seeing that moron get destroyed. I like how his response to her facts were 'it's all meaningless! Allow me to go on a diatribe that isn't supported by reality because being opposed to the EU is the only reason why anyone knows who I am!'

[Ramsay]

Great to see our Claire make a mockery of the fool

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn warns his MPs not to back
Brexit deal in exchange for constituency cash


[Labour MP John Mann, MP for Bassetlaw
in Nottinghamshire, emerged from talks
with Cabinet Office officials to demand investment
for Leave-voting areas where it has traditionally been low.]

The Labour zones that are remain
Get Feck all extra cash.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-warns-his-mps-not-to-back-brexit-deal-in-exchange-for-constituency-cash-11623669


Debated on LBC radio now

[bots]

Jeremy Corbyn warns his MPs not to back
Brexit deal in exchange for constituency cash


[Labour MP John Mann, MP for Bassetlaw
in Nottinghamshire, emerged from talks
with Cabinet Office officials to demand investment
for Leave-voting areas where it has traditionally been low.]

The Labour zones that are remain
Get Feck all extra cash.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-warns-his-mps-not-to-back-brexit-deal-in-exchange-for-constituency-cash-11623669




Debated on LBC radio now


There is more than one way of securing the required votes :laugh: Maybe they will offer Jeremy Israeli citizenship :dance:

[lime]

6 weeks seems a very short timeframe, I would say more like years, rather than months or weeks, but what I want to know is what is the hit,...jobs? weak pound, food price increases, shortages of fresh produce where is the truth because no one seems to want to say what this hit is while at the same time saying we should take the hit...

for the love that all sacred ...surely you see trouble ahead and if you haven't heard the woefull abuse from the British against the Irish during this times .."the irish must be gratefuull for the British alllowing them to speak english...


It's clear to us all on this small rock in the middle of the of the Atlantic ocean that the GFA is nothing more than a vanity programme to them....Surely as an Irish woman And a cork woman at that! fresh food does not compare to peace on this Island...for the records I'm only a blow in

[lime]

:love::love::love:Great to see our Claire make a mockery of the fool

[Cherie]

for the love that all sacred ...surely you see trouble ahead and if you haven't heard the woefull abuse from the British against the Irish during this times .."the irish must be gratefuull for the British alllowing them to speak english...


It's clear to us all on this small rock in the middle of the of the Atlantic ocean that the GFA is nothing more than a vanity programme to them....Surely as an Irish woman And a cork woman at that! fresh food does not compare to peace on this Island...for the records I'm only a blow in

I asked Arista a specific question about the economy as he is a leaver,
I want him as a leaver to tell me what this hit is that everyone refers to in vague terms that we should accept, of course he can’t tell me because no one can and that is how ludicrous this situation is, it’s like going to a surgeon who says he will operate on you but he can’t tell you how long after the surgery you will be in pain, might be two years might be ten, if you want to ask him about peace in Ireland please go right ahead, you seem to expect me to have a specific attitude given I am Irish, you do you, I will be me, but it’s obvious to me a hard border is a definite outcome of a no deal Brexit so that’s a given, if peace breaks down in NI England will be hit harder than the Republic if the bombing campaign reignites

Also could you link the woeful abuse about being grateful to speak English to who ever said it please

[Cherie]

Incidentally I would never refer to you as a blow in, you have made your home in Ireland and you are perfectly entitled to become an Irish citizen if that is what you want to be, don’t accept thinking that you are an outsider or are some way inferior to those born in Ireland

[Sticks]

if peace breaks down in NI England will be hit harder than the Republic if the bombing campaign reignites


What peace process?

That bomb the other week, supposedly by a splinter group New IRA was in fact the old IRA doing a shot across the bows.

During the "troubles" we were informed that these splinter groups like the INLA or the Real IRA could not opperate without prior approval of the Provisional IRA / Sien Fein.

This Good Friday Agreement seemed more like a Good Friday "We the British government surrender unconditionally to the IRA and the men of blood and hereby give in to terrorist blackmail" Agreement.

Proof? - They let go all those terrorist who had committed atrocities like the Brighton Bomb and others.

[Cherie]

What peace process?

That bomb the other week, supposedly by a splinter group New IRA was in fact the old IRA doing a shot across the bows.

During the "troubles" we were informed that these splinter groups like the INLA or the Real IRA could not opperate without prior approval of the Provisional IRA / Sien Fein.

This Good Friday Agreement seemed more like a Good Friday "We the British government surrender unconditionally to the IRA and the men of blood and hereby give in to terrorist blackmail" Agreement.

Proof? - They let go all those terrorist who had committed atrocities like the Brighton Bomb and others.

and you have a link to prove this?

if you are going to talk about past atrocities don't forget those carried out by some of the British army and they never served any time for their crimes, and the British Justice system who incarcerated innocent people for years

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyZFsMNXgAAtjJc.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/revealed-plan-to-deal-with-putrefying-stockpiles-of-rubbish-after-no-deal-brexit


Now they warn us
they can Correct this

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/WLH8KmCyJLqyAKqJPOTK-g/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/qxbsA0QeQCxBVb279x6Q_mirror.JPG

Sloppy Fecker
chucked rough old notes in a full bin
at a garage.
Rushing to pay for the petrol


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-dumps-brexit-parliamentary-13944587

[lime]

I asked Arista a specific question about the economy as he is a leaver,
I want him as a leaver to tell me what this hit is that everyone refers to in vague terms that we should accept, of course he can’t tell me because no one can and that is how ludicrous this situation is, it’s like going to a surgeon who says he will operate on you but he can’t tell you how long after the surgery you will be in pain, might be two years might be ten, if you want to ask him about peace in Ireland please go right ahead, you seem to expect me to have a specific attitude given I am Irish, you do you, I will be me, but it’s obvious to me a hard border is a definite outcome of a no deal Brexit so that’s a given, if peace breaks down in NI England will be hit harder than the Republic if the bombing campaign reignites

Also could you link the woeful abuse about being grateful to speak English to who ever said it please
Thanks Cherie for your very honest reply

I wasn' t however expecting you have an atitude simular to mine.

without a doubt it's very clear it's no deaL.
May I also add the only people resonsable for the bombing in Ni is those who carry them out...can't link from this phone bot his name is David vance///Jeez Dara O Brian put him right in his place

[lime]

Shoud also add David Vance is not a small town mayor,,,he was one of Mays senior advisor's

[Niamh.]

for the love that all sacred ...surely you see trouble ahead and if you haven't heard the woefull abuse from the British against the Irish during this times .."the irish must be gratefuull for the British alllowing them to speak english...





It's clear to us all on this small rock in the middle of the of the Atlantic ocean that the GFA is nothing more than a vanity programme to them....Surely as an Irish woman And a cork woman at that! fresh food does not compare to peace on this Island...for the records I'm only a blow in

No you're one of us now Lime :love:

[arista]

Tonight 8:30PM BBC1HD Panorama Brexit : Who's In Charge?

Adrian Chiles follows MP's through a Historic Fortnight
in Westminster.

28mins Docu.


Also in the News
[PM Theresa May will visit Northern Ireland tomorrow in a bid to calm fears about a hard border reforming after Brexit.]
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-address-border-fears-on-northern-ireland-trip-11627979

[lime]

No you're one of us now Lime :love:
:love::love:

[Sticks]

Tonight 8:30PM BBC1HD Panorama Brexit : Who's In Charge?

Adrian Chiles follows MP's through a Historic Fortnight
in Westminster.

28mins Docu.


Also in the News
[PM Theresa May will visit Northern Ireland tomorrow in a bid to calm fears about a hard border reforming after Brexit.]
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-address-border-fears-on-northern-ireland-trip-11627979

Will she be visiting a factory where they make razor wire, to be used in the new physical hard border across Northern Ireland?

[arista]

Will she be visiting a factory where they make razor wire, to be used in the new physical hard border across Northern Ireland?


No , I do not think so.

A Press meeting with limited amounts
of Questions, as usual.

[Cherie]

I'm hoping one of the UK members will welcome me to the fold :laugh:

[smudgie]

I'm hoping one of the UK members will welcome me to the fold :laugh:

You are always welcome in my fold Cherie.:joker:

Oooops that’s sounds quite funny.:laugh:

[Niamh.]

You are always welcome in my fold Cherie.:joker:



Oooops that’s sounds quite funny.[emoji23]:o

[Cherie]

You are always welcome in my fold Cherie.:joker:

Oooops that’s sounds quite funny.:laugh:

:joker: thanks Smudge

[arista]

The PM is going to Brussels EU Council
on Thursday at some time in the day.

Today she is in Northern Ireland

[Sticks]

EU won't budge
Parliament won't pass the only deal in town

We're heading for prosperity and the sunny golden uplands of a hard Brexit without a deal on wto terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland and the end of the Good Friday Agreement.

That nice Ree Smog has promised us this

[Cherie]

EU won't budge
Parliament won't pass the only deal in town

We're heading for prosperity and the sunny golden uplands of a hard Brexit without a deal on wto terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland and the end of the Good Friday Agreement.

That nice Ree Smog has promised us this

I think a no Brexit is more likely

[arista]

EU won't budge
Parliament won't pass the only deal in town

We're heading for prosperity and the sunny golden uplands of a hard Brexit without a deal on wto terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland and the end of the Good Friday Agreement.

That nice Ree Smog has promised us this


Sure So far, nothing has changed
many are saying why go there now ?
she has to get past our Parliament first

[arista]

I think a no Brexit is more likely



You Madame
would love that.


But its the Labour party
who also has a Leader that wants Brexit Done

To dangerous to Cancel Brexit
we do not want Terrorism or anything

[Cherie]

You Madame
would love that.


But its the Labour party
who also has a Leader that wants Brexit Done

To dangerous to Cancel Brexit
we do not want Terrorism or anything

It wont be cancelled but I can see it being pushed into the long grass....

[arista]

It wont be cancelled but I can see it being pushed into the long grass....



Yes maybe
but its still set on the current date.

Until it is changed
all Business have to plan for the worse
to be fair

[Cherie]

Yes maybe
but its still set on the current date.

Until it is changed
all Business have to plan for the worse
to be fair

Of course

[MTVN]

EU won't budge
Parliament won't pass the only deal in town

We're heading for prosperity and the sunny golden uplands of a hard Brexit without a deal on wto terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland and the end of the Good Friday Agreement.

That nice Ree Smog has promised us this

Bit of an obsession of yours this :think:

[MTVN]

Good Friday agreement says next to nothing about the border

[arista]

The PM is live now (all media)
with a written down speech in N.I
Load of old stuff AGAIN>

Rock on the Live questions

[arista]

We just started on the questions from the Media
and the Live Feed went down all channels

Back now on BBCNewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

[arista]

So the Vote to remove the backstop
that won the Vote - was a fecking waste of time................

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-says-she-is-not-proposing-to-scrap-brexit-backstop-11628965

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F1A3/production/_105495816_tel6.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5563/production/_105495812_ft6.jpg

[Sticks]

Time for a sing a along?

We're leaving without a deal!
We're leaving without a deal!

Ee I Adio

We're leaving without a deal!

Hard Border were we come
Hard Border were we come

Ee I Adio

Hard Border were we come

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!
Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

Ee I Adio

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

[reece(:]

May the queen of incompetence!

[bots]

it's going to be no deal, forget any talk about back stops

[Cherie]

Time for a sing a along?

We're leaving without a deal!
We're leaving without a deal!

Ee I Adio

We're leaving without a deal!

Hard Border were we come
Hard Border were we come

Ee I Adio

Hard Border were we come

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!
Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

Ee I Adio

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

You are in SD, take this tripe to Chat and Games or the story telling section where it belongs

Do you live in Northern Ireland?

[Alf]

Time for a sing a along?

We're leaving without a deal!
We're leaving without a deal!

Ee I Adio

We're leaving without a deal!

Hard Border were we come
Hard Border were we come

Ee I Adio

Hard Border were we come

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!
Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

Ee I Adio

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!I think your attempt for a number 1 single will be thwarted by this little gem.


V3TT1VE8Jq0

[Nicky91]

Time for a sing a along?

We're leaving without a deal!
We're leaving without a deal!

Ee I Adio

We're leaving without a deal!

Hard Border were we come
Hard Border were we come

Ee I Adio

Hard Border were we come

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!
Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

Ee I Adio

Good Friday Agreement GONE!!!

this is literally baiting at it's worst :facepalm:

[arista]

The PM staying in Northern Ireland today
to talk with more N. I. MP's


Thus avoiding PMQ's
is wrong.

[Niamh.]

I think your attempt for a number 1 single will be thwarted by this little gem.


V3TT1VE8Jq0

:laugh2:

[Cherie]

I think your attempt for a number 1 single will be thwarted by this little gem.


V3TT1VE8Jq0

Just about sums it up

[arista]

Just about sums it up


Remixed


Joe should do a Corbyn Brexit one

[arista]

EU Tusk has said We are going to Hell #Brexit

https://news.sky.com/story/eus-tusk-sparks-row-for-special-place-in-hell-attack-on-no-plan-brexit-campaigners-11629719


[PM May is due to meet Mr Tusk on her
trip to Brussels on Thursday, where she
will press him to re-open negotiations on
the deal struck back in November.]

[Cherie]

EU Tusk has said We are going to Hell #Brexit

https://news.sky.com/story/eus-tusk-sparks-row-for-special-place-in-hell-attack-on-no-plan-brexit-campaigners-11629719


[PM May is due to meet Mr Tusk on her
trip to Brussels on Thursday, where she
will press him to re-open negotiations on
the deal struck back in November.]

No what he actually said was there should be a special place in hell for Brexiteers....ie you Arista

[Alf]

No what he actually said was there should be a special place in hell for Brexiteers....ie you AristaWe're already in it. Hell is what we're trying to escape from.

[Sticks]

You are in SD, take this tripe to Chat and Games or the story telling section where it belongs

Do you live in Northern Ireland?

I came from a MOD family and for a short time I also served in the MOD, when we were considered legitimate targets by the IRA, so it really stuck in the craw when we saw these IRA terrorists being let go under the GFA, it seemed like a surrender.

As for the Peace Process, what Peace Process, Paramilitaries are still armed and carrying out punishment shootings and the IRA, through their proxies are setting of bombs in the province. Only a matter of time before they do a warning shot here on the mainland...
:mad:

[arista]

No what he actually said was there should be a special place in hell for Brexiteers....ie you Arista


How Nice


But I never set up the PM's Change in Plan
it was that FECKER Civil Servant Ollie Robbins
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Olly_Robbins.jpg

[arista]

We're already in it. Hell is what we're trying to escape from.


Well Put
Alf

[arista]

Angry Update
for Madame Cherie


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnT2Smtir7t-VJGp6898AQkMPBNhAUvrrl1WGf7TH2pQnl9SwBLA
This Civil Servant changed our Brexit Plans
He will go to Hell.

[Cherie]

I came from a MOD family and for a short time I also served in the MOD, when we were considered legitimate targets by the IRA, so it really stuck in the craw when we saw these IRA terrorists being let go under the GFA, it seemed like a surrender.

As for the Peace Process, what Peace Process, Paramilitaries are still armed and carrying out punishment shootings and the IRA, through their proxies are setting of bombs in the province. Only a matter of time before they do a warning shot here on the mainland...
:mad:

There hasn't been a bomb in England for over 20 years what do you put that down to, good luck?

[Cherie]

Angry Update
for Madame Cherie


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnT2Smtir7t-VJGp6898AQkMPBNhAUvrrl1WGf7TH2pQnl9SwBLA
This Civil Servant changed our Brexit Plans
He will go to to Hell.

Thank you I like angry updates

[Nicky91]

No what he actually said was there should be a special place in hell for Brexiteers....ie you Arista

yes, and i agree with him


it's ok to be having a desire for independence, but this behaviour now some have towards the Irish is just xenophobic and nasty



btw the backstop i understand now, how Juncker explained it, as a protection for EU and Ireland so only ones who are gonna suffer are people in the UK

[Beso]

Mr tusk is laughing at us...Mr tusk can **** off.

[Nicky91]

Mr tusk is laughing at us...Mr tusk can **** off.

failure to see your own flaws, one thing all of these radical brexiteers have in common

[Nicky91]

Donald Tusk just has a point, and he has a right to speak up his own opinion tbh

[Alf]

failure to see your own flaws, one thing all of these radical brexiteers have in commonWhat's radical about going to the polling station and casting your vote?

[Nicky91]

What's radical about going to the polling station and casting your vote?

not that, but for example what Sticks repeats on here that unnecessary hard border between ireland and northern ireland

[Sticks]

not that, but for example what Sticks repeats on here that unnecessary hard border between ireland and northern ireland

But it is the EU who says that when we leave without a deal, a hard border across Northern Ireland will be necessary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donald Tusk just has a point, and he has a right to speak up his own opinion tbh

by saying that people should be cast into hell to suffer for eternity?

:umm2:

[Cherie]

by saying that people should be cast into hell to suffer for eternity?

:umm2:

You don't believe in hell so it is meaningless :hee:

[Cherie]

But it is the EU who says that when we leave without a deal, a hard border across Northern Ireland will be necessary.

I agree with this as well the EU are basically playing chicken with the border

[The Slim Reaper]

No what he actually said was there should be a special place in hell for Brexiteers....ie you Arista

He didn't actually say that. He was talking about the politicians that promised the voting public the world if they voted to leave, while at the same time having no idea and no plan.

[Cherie]

He didn't actually say that. He was talking about the politicians that promised the voting public the world if they voted to leave, while at the same time having no idea and no plan.

well yes he did qualify it with the no plan on how to execute it tbf

[Crimson Dynamo]

both sides are nearing a deal now so we will get stuff like this as they prepare to lose face on both sides

[Crimson Dynamo]

would you trust a man who eats a cone with a spoon like a big fanny?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyub3LXXQAIooHZ.jpg


:umm2:

[Withano]

Everything about that photo is superb :joker:

Furiously eating an icecream cone with a spoon wearing his best suit. What a look.

[Beso]

failure to see your own flaws, one thing all of these radical brexiteers have in common

My flaws..what flaws have I picked up by simply supporting brexit?


What a stupid thing to say nicky....

[arista]

How Nice


But I never set up the PM's Change in Plan
it was that FECKER Civil Servant Ollie Robbins
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Olly_Robbins.jpg



This Civil Servant
is with the PM today in Brussels EU Council today

[arista]

He didn't actually say that. He was talking about the politicians that promised the voting public the world if they voted to leave, while at the same time having no idea and no plan.


There was no Plan
as Cameron thought he would win.

The plan was made Up by the PM's team
then last summer 2018 - she changed the plan
splitting the Conservative Party

[Nicky91]

My flaws..what flaws have I picked up by simply supporting brexit?


What a stupid thing to say nicky....

not you, but i meant most of those radical brexiteers in general

[arista]

not you, but i meant most of those radical brexiteers in general



They are not in Power
in the UK.

[Nicky91]

They are not in Power
in the UK.

but anyway only thing i want after 29th March, for britain to be independent, and work on solving problems in UK, nice little slogan then trump style #MakeUKBetterAgain


no hard borders i hope, just british being independent and only thinking about their country, and leaving us in the EU alone

[arista]

but anyway only thing i want after 29th March, for britain to be independent, and work on solving problems in UK, nice little slogan then trump style #MakeUKBetterAgain


no hard borders i hope, just british being independent and only thinking about their country, and leaving us in the EU alone


Labour offer the PM a Deal.
But so far she will not agree it.

The EU has said today no changes permitted
what the FECK is the UK PM doing there today?

[Nicky91]

Labour offer the PM a Deal.
But so far she will not agree it.

The EU has said today no changes permitted
what the FECK is the UK PM doing there today?

making a fool of herself i guess


EU doesn't want to let go of the backstop

[smudgie]

would you trust a man who eats a cone with a spoon like a big fanny?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyub3LXXQAIooHZ.jpg


:umm2:

Someone please pop the devils horns on him.
The picture s screaming for it.:joker:

[arista]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/opinion/2017/12/03/TELEMMGLPICT000148140039_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqXNTeB5g ro9ot_3zocZVbt9Z8gb8H-NM2MXMoOvcXJu4.jpeg?imwidth=450



The PM has had a word with Donald Tusk
saying his words yesterday did not help

Ref: PM speaking live on BBCnewsHD in Brussels


Also
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/223C/production/_105546780_de31-1.jpg
PM's car was met by an anti-Brexit protest
as she arrived at the commission's HQ

[arista]

Ch5 News Reporter Andy Bell
shouted out to the PM
Does This Feel Like Hell - Prime Minister?
As she went in.

The PM is now returning to the UK
keeping secret any changes
or no change.

50 Days to Brexit

[Northern Monkey]

Bored of the whole thing now.Sick of hearing about it.


Just either do it or scrap it tbh.Not arsed either way now.Government’s made a right bollox of it.

May couldn’t negotiate a piss up in a brewery,Corbyn’s clueless and Cable’s not able.

Go hard or go home.

[bots]

we are getting to the crux of the debate now

MNT4_6eIIEs

[arista]

Bored of the whole thing now.Sick of hearing about it.


Just either do it or scrap it tbh.Not arsed either way now.Government’s made a right bollox of it.

May couldn’t negotiate a piss up in a brewery,Corbyn’s clueless and Cable’s not able.

Go hard or go home.


To Dangerous to Scrap
The PM used a Civil Servant to change the plan
she alone is at fault
She has the power to do any direction.

[arista]

we are getting to the crux of the debate now

MNT4_6eIIEs



She can Be NAKED
But we have all been told its bad for Britain
but it going ahead, anyway

Suck IT UP Lady!

[arista]

UK, Norway, Iceland agree on citizens' rights if no-deal Brexit https://reut.rs/2DjckoT


Nothing wrong in getting ready for every
way.

[lime]

I agree with this as well the EU are basically playing chicken with the border
But Cherie the Brexit voters had control of their own borders...the main border is between Ni and the Republic...So sad to see when even Unioinst farmers are saying they feel betrayed Britain had control over there borders .

When we come together as South Africans we know for many years is Bs..We can fly through many airlinens KLM...Air France..Lufthans..Iberia...I have lived in Ireland since 99 and only us migrants to Europe Know to avoid the Uk and it's cost's are very off putting...At least in EU they value our input ...The Uk seems to think that that if your not one of them your one of us.It shouldnt be about us and them

Had a former British soldier earlier on Sky news comments theathen "It won't b no surrender this time...this time you will all die"