The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[bots]

Another candidate put forward could bring attraction to this idea.
A change only to bring about a general election and halt a no deal brexit on 31st October by seeking an extension until after said general election.

If MPs are serious about stopping no deal unless it has the voters consent.

Then this is a way out.
Refusing to tolerate for a period of weeks only, even Corbyn as PM is perhaps hasty.
This could stop a no deal scenario, and get a general election.
Where Lib Dems can canvass to remain.
Labour will have to decide for remain or leave as our stance.
Johnson or the Cons. can present his no deal at any cost to the voters.

This isn't as daft an idea as it at first sounds actually.

The other proposal put forward was to have the greens as PM with an all women cabinet. I mean, what planet are these people on really. Does that strike anyone as having the best interests of the nation at heart. She even suggested wee Nicky for the cabinet and she isn't even an MP :joker:

[arista]

There is no way on this earth that Conservative MP's will vote against the government if it means that Corbyn will be PM. That behaviour is only going to increase the chances of a no deal brexit


Yes Corbyn
expects a few Conservatives?

[joeysteele]

The other proposal put forward was to have the greens as PM with an all women cabinet. I mean, what planet are these people on really. Does that strike anyone as having the best interests of the nation at heart. She even suggested wee Nicky for the cabinet and she isn't even an MP :joker:

That was a badly planned and presented idea I agree.
Very sexist too.

[Kizzy]

Personally I think Corbyn as caretaker is a great idea, except I don't believe the lib dems.... when push comes to shove they always side with the Tories, they will on no deal too no matter how remain they say they are.

[arista]

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[arista]

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PM Johnson goes to Berlin on Wednesday

[Kazanne]

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PM Johnson goes to Berlin on Wednesday

Good about time it was sorted,but you can bet those that don't want to go with the majority vote will try and stop it.

[Kizzy]

He wants rid of the backstop, that's not going to happen so back to square one...it's not a question of a majority vote, even those who voted yes don't want no deal :/
Look at any stat you want. If he thinks fir one min the EU are going to fold on that he's more stupid than I feared.

[Twosugars]

I do hope there will be a criminal inquiry into all this one day

[Twosugars]

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PM Johnson goes to Berlin on Wednesday

And they will tell him to piss off :laugh:

Look at him, BoJo the clown

[Sticks]

, even those who voted yes don't want no deal :/
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Nope

They did not vote to leave with a deal, as that was not on the ballot

They voted to LEAVE, not Leave with a deal, just Leave

Many thought we would leave on 24 June 2016...

The voters voted to leave with No Deal

[Kizzy]

Nope

They did not vote to leave with a deal, as that was not on the ballot

They voted to LEAVE, not Leave with a deal, just Leave

Many thought we would leave on 24 June 2016...

The voters voted to leave with No Deal

Yes I've seen that given as an excuse by the ERG.. and only a very small percentage of voters I'm sure wanted a cliff edge brexit. You can not in all seriousness expect me to believe all yes voters did so in anticipation of no deal...

[Sticks]

It was what showed up on my Facebook feed Ad Nauseum....

[Kizzy]

Ah... haha that'll be the overseas 'influencers' ;)

[Sticks]

Niett

[Kizzy]

:joker:

[arista]

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Richard Bacon
was back on GMBHD itv
early this morning.

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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Richard Bacon
was back on GMBHD itv
early this morning.

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No one panic, the government of Gibraltar, yes Gibraltar, that's the one, that Gibraltar, yes, with it's 30k inhabitants, has said it's all gonna be ok.

I'm in then, lets go full no deal.

[Twosugars]

No one panic, the government of Gibraltar, yes Gibraltar, that's the one, that Gibraltar, yes, with it's 30k inhabitants, has said it's all gonna be ok.

I'm in then, lets go full no deal.

:laugh:

Part of me wants them to get their way. But if things go wrong as they will I'd like them prosecuted

[Cherie]

With a government and opposition both so abysmal, we are pretty doomed...even the smaller parties are car crash , Caroline Lucas was quite rightly dismantled for asking for a cross party women only group to stop Brexit, and the Lib Dems seem to have gone backwards ...oh well, hang on to your hats :laugh: I can't actually bring myself to worry about it all, what will be will be now

[Kizzy]

The opposition haven't even been given a chance have they, he's made a reasonable time limited proposal to end the prospect of no deal... What's the problem?

[Cherie]

The opposition haven't even been given a chance have they, he's made a reasonable time limited proposal to end the prospect of no deal... What's the problem?

a chance? they have been in opposition since the ref vote? how much longer do they need?

I just heard Jeremy say he will do everything in how power to stop a no deal Brexit, step down mate and give it to someone the country can actually get behind would be a start

[The Slim Reaper]

a chance? they have been in opposition since the ref vote? how much longer do they need?

I just heard Jeremy say he will do everything in how power to stop a no deal Brexit, step down mate and give it to someone the country can actually get behind would be a start

To be fair, unicorns don't exist. The next labour leader that stepped up as acceptable would just be another tory-lite, which are the only folks that wouldn't be smeared and lied about in the same way Corbyn has.

[Twosugars]

To be fair, unicorns don't exist. The next labour leader that stepped up as acceptable would just be another tory-lite, which are the only folks that wouldn't be smeared and lied about in the same way Corbyn has.

Not surprising really as some of Corbyn's policies endanger the interests of the wealthy elite who also happens to own a big chunk of the media

[The Slim Reaper]

Not surprising really as some of Corbyn's policies endanger the interests of the wealthy elite who also happens to own a big chunk of the media

This is what I find the most bizarre thing about politics; the way people can be swayed/hoodwinked to vote against themselves and their own interests (not cherie - talking generally), in order to put the next member of the bullingdon club in power to try and steal even more from their plates.

[Twosugars]

This is what I find the most bizarre thing about politics; the way people can be swayed/hoodwinked to vote against themselves and their own interests (not cherie - talking generally), in order to put the next member of the bullingdon club in power to try and steal even more from their plates.

Bc they cleverly employ peoples preexisting beliefs and prejudices. And people hate being wrong so

[Cherie]

To be fair, unicorns don't exist. The next labour leader that stepped up as acceptable would just be another tory-lite, which are the only folks that wouldn't be smeared and lied about in the same way Corbyn has.

Labour will never get into power with Jeremy at the helm, Farage has more chance

[joeysteele]

The opposition haven't even been given a chance have they, he's made a reasonable time limited proposal to end the prospect of no deal... What's the problem?

Yes.
I agree with all that.

I don't see how those who don't just want no deal but want to remain, can't tolerate Corbyn as PM for a few weeks.
He's going to in effect risk voting himself out of power from the start.
After putting in place the extension for a general election to take place.

It's telling how the Lib Dems can work with Con leaders but not Labour ones.

Nick Clegg in 2010 said he couldn't work with Brown.
Indicating he'd have to stand down.

Now the same with Corbyn, they'd support another leader for the same plan.
Although their first choice is Conservative Ken Clarke.

Very telling to me.
Especially when they could support Cameron and all his austerity and heartless policies.

[UserSince2005]

Im disgusted by BBC news and there bias reporting. Project fear is clearly in overdrive.

[arista]

[Jeremy Corbyn smirks as Labour activists BOO
and heckle journalists as they try to quiz him
at his chaotic 'election pitch' news conference]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7371219/Jeremy-Corbyn-warns-UK-heading-political-constitutional-storm-Brexit.html

He wants a a Vote
with Remain or Leave vote
if he is elected

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

a chance? they have been in opposition since the ref vote? how much longer do they need?

I just heard Jeremy say he will do everything in how power to stop a no deal Brexit, step down mate and give it to someone the country can actually get behind would be a start

How could he do anything cherie ..he wasn't in charge to do anything was he? That's why he's saying put me in charge and I will present a cross party approach.
What's wrong with the democratic approach...if theres no confidence in the pm the leader of the largest opposition leader asks to be interim pm, whats wrong with that?

He has a perfectly reasonable and legitimate mandate, so which Tom dick or Harry would you prefer... what are their credentials to facilitate brexit? Seems to me you're being influenced by tabloid chatter, just like in the failed coup anyone will do as long as it's not corbyn!
Where are those great redeemers now...Owen smith? Angela eagle? Chukka?! Sloped off with their tails between their legs they don't give a toss about Britain, brexit or even Labour come to that. The only goal was to oust corbyn, the ONLY goal.
That same media focused drive to replace the labour leader is in play now...we don't care who it is or what their policies are as long as it's not corbyn... it's not rational or in any way logical.. it makes zero sense.
On the one hand you have someone who has the right to mount a challenge, a clear and overt time specific mandate and... who? .... proposing what?... Britain should be renamed crazy town, that's what it is!

[Kizzy]

Im disgusted by BBC news and there bias reporting. Project fear is clearly in overdrive.

Project fear...another media inspired nonsense phrase.

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/19/eu-unconvinced-as-boris-johnson-sets-out-fresh-bid-to-remove-brexit-backstop

Well well...what did I say? All bojo wants is rid of the backstop, note the lie in the peice... once we leave the customs arrangements can be made in the 2yr transition period? If we crash out there is NO transition period, unless this is him asking for an extention ..but it's doesn't look like it just more bull :/

[Sticks]

Not Crash out

Leap victoriously clear unfettered by scuzzy deals

STOP USING THE LANGUAGE OF PROJECT FEAR!!! :nono:

[bots]

It is project fear because the UK has to deal with ever changing economic conditions all the time. The world wont stop if we leave without a deal. No one can force feed you chlorinated chicken with an American trade deal. The NHS already contracts out to private firms for its services. The Americans don't have an entirely different set of drug companies to the ones in the UK.

Yes, brexit is a big step, one that I would prefer us not to take, but it is what it is. We deal with it and we move on

Another interesting aside. Many attribute blame/responsibility for brexit on older generations yet older people are notoriously resistant to change. They like the status quo by nature. It is younger generations that step boldly into the unknown ....... what happened there then :laugh:

[MTVN]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/19/eu-unconvinced-as-boris-johnson-sets-out-fresh-bid-to-remove-brexit-backstop

Well well...what did I say? All bojo wants is rid of the backstop, note the lie in the peice... once we leave the customs arrangements can be made in the 2yr transition period? If we crash out there is NO transition period, unless this is him asking for an extention ..but it's doesn't look like it just more bull :/

The withdrawal agreement includes a 2 year transition period, so he's talking about if an altered deal is passed

[The Slim Reaper]

It is project fear because the UK has to deal with ever changing economic conditions all the time. The world wont stop if we leave without a deal. No one can force feed you chlorinated chicken with an American trade deal. The NHS already contracts out to private firms for its services. The Americans don't have an entirely different set of drug companies to the ones in the UK.

Yes, brexit is a big step, one that I would prefer us not to take, but it is what it is. We deal with it and we move on

Another interesting aside. Many attribute blame/responsibility for brexit on older generations yet older people are notoriously resistant to change. They like the status quo by nature. It is younger generations that step boldly into the unknown ....... what happened there then :laugh:

The world deals with ever changing economic conditions, only idiots force those conditions to be worse than everyone else.

American health care is a for profit industry, where their prices can be changed and upped on a daily basis if a ceo fancies a new jet that week. We all saw that Martin Skrelli (can't be arsed to google him) guy raise the price of a drug into the thousands.

Americans have to pay thousands every month for their healthcare policies, that turn out to not actually cover you when you need it most. They put limits on the amount they will spend on you before flat out refusing to pay for anything else, which will obviously help those brave older people and their thirst for change.

Seriously my friend, your post has no basis in reality.

[bots]

The world deals with ever changing economic conditions, only idiots force those conditions to be worse than everyone else.

American health care is a for profit industry, where their prices can be changed and upped on a daily basis if a ceo fancies a new jet that week. We all saw that Martin Skrelli (can't be arsed to google him) guy raise the price of a drug into the thousands.

Americans have to pay thousands every month for their healthcare policies, that turn out to not actually cover you when you need it most. They put limits on the amount they will spend on you before flat out refusing to pay for anything else, which will obviously help those brave older people and their thirst for change.

Seriously my friend, your post has no basis in reality.

On the contrary sir, my post is 100% factual and accurate.

Drug prices are set by region ... thats why America pays more than Canada or Mexico or 3rd world countries. It's the same drug companies. Also, where possible the NHS uses generic drugs where prices can't be fixed by drug companies. BTW ... Mexico and Canada both have trade deals with America

The NHS is contracted out to the private sector, and no-one did more to achieve that than the labour government.

We already have private health insurance schemes here ... same companies running things as do in the USA ....

Our food is marked with country of origin and you can bet that UK producers will plaster it everywhere when we leave the EU ... we don't need to eat American.

Before we joined the EU ... the motto was always buy British. It will revert to the same. People proud to support their local producers as they have always done

Just one more thing. ANY future government, as a sovereign nation is perfectly free to negotiate future trade deals or cancel them however they like. If labour dont like something, they will simply change it when they get in power. That's what being a sovereign nation allows you to do

[The Slim Reaper]

On the contrary sir, my post is 100% factual and accurate.

Drug prices are set by region ... thats why America pays more than Canada or Mexico or 3rd world countries. It's the same drug companies. Also, where possible the NHS uses generic drugs where prices can't be fixed by drug companies. BTW ... Mexico and Canada both have trade deals with America

The NHS is contracted out to the private sector, and no-one did more to achieve that than the labour government.

We already have private health insurance schemes here ... same companies running things as do in the USA ....

Our food is marked with country of origin and you can bet that UK producers will plaster it everywhere when we leave the EU ... we don't need to eat American.

Before we joined the EU ... the motto was always by British. It will revert to the same. People proud to support their local producers as they have always done

Currently, the NHS pays the private companies if it sends you to them, in the US there is no NHS, and there is no choice.

Yes, we have private healthcare over here, but you choose to pay for it if you want it. When you buy drugs with the purchasing power of a government behind you, you get a much cheaper deal across the board, when individuals buy drugs, then the costs are a lot higher, it's basic economics.

Countries with government healthcare use collective bargaining to lower prices, the US is exposed to a purely capitalist healthcare system where profit is driving the providers. It's not comparable.

[Cherie]

How could he do anything cherie ..he wasn't in charge to do anything was he? That's why he's saying put me in charge and I will present a cross party approach.
What's wrong with the democratic approach...if theres no confidence in the pm the leader of the largest opposition leader asks to be interim pm, whats wrong with that?

He has a perfectly reasonable and legitimate mandate, so which Tom dick or Harry would you prefer... what are their credentials to facilitate brexit? Seems to me you're being influenced by tabloid chatter, just like in the failed coup anyone will do as long as it's not corbyn!
Where are those great redeemers now...Owen smith? Angela eagle? Chukka?! Sloped off with their tails between their legs they don't give a toss about Britain, brexit or even Labour come to that. The only goal was to oust corbyn, the ONLY goal.
That same media focused drive to replace the labour leader is in play now...we don't care who it is or what their policies are as long as it's not corbyn... it's not rational or in any way logical.. it makes zero sense.
On the one hand you have someone who has the right to mount a challenge, a clear and overt time specific mandate and... who? .... proposing what?... Britain should be renamed crazy town, that's what it is!

I am actually basing my thoughts on seeing JC interviewed time time again on political programmes , and on the news where he failed time time again to get off the fence over Europe and would not commit to a second ref, heck he could have run with policy that against Mrs May could he not? and only now when he sniffs the possibility of him getting into No 10 is he willing to commit, I'm not blinkered by blind loyalty to any party thankfully

[bots]

I am actually basing my thoughts on seeing JC interviewed time time again on political programmes , and on the news where he failed time time again to get off the fence over Europe and would not commit to a second ref, heck he could have run with policy that against Mrs May could he not? and only now when he sniffs the possibility of him getting into No 10 is he willing to commit, I'm not blinkered by blind loyalty to any party thankfully

i still remember before the ref vote and he was supposed to be campaigning for remain and he was the invisible man. If he puts the same vigour into the next ref if it were to ever happen, the UK would certainly be in a better place ..... not

[Nicky91]

@Cherie

Corbyn is still better than that media attention hungry Farage who has insulted the EU, pretended to care about eu elections just for him to win and troll in the european parliament which is disgusting behaviour

like if you don't care about the eu, don't bother to be in the eu elections, i think corbyn and labour should they have won in eu elections they would've been more respectful in european parliament, but GBP likes voting for trolls i guess rather than taking politics seriously

farage and his brexit party clan can say ''eu doesn't respect us'' but all the elite have done is nothing but disrespectful towards the EU, while EU has given plenty of time and now time has ran out, well i hope these idiots get their way with the ''no deal brexit'' and then well ''i told you so'' coming from me in a few months after

i care about the UK, about the middle class and poor in britain and i will continue to do so, and i feel sad for them that elite are so stuck up and power hungry

[Kizzy]

The withdrawal agreement includes a 2 year transition period, so he's talking about if an altered deal is passed

IF.......

[Kizzy]

i still remember before the ref vote and he was supposed to be campaigning for remain and he was the invisible man. If he puts the same vigour into the next ref if it were to ever happen, the UK would certainly be in a better place ..... not

The invisible man.... google it he was everywhere :/

[bots]

what Boris is suggesting is to kick the can down the road 2 years on the backstop, make the decision then. I'ts not actually that unreasonable, because if that "is" all that's stopping a deal, then make use of the 2 years we are in transition because the back stop refers to how things will be handled after the transition period has ended, not before and the deal or no deal refers to the transition period, not the future relationship. The EU don't need anything more than that, they are, in that sense, being obstructive to a deal being done.

[Twosugars]

what Boris is suggesting is to kick the can down the road 2 years on the backstop, make the decision then. I'ts not actually that unreasonable, because if that "is" all that's stopping a deal, then make use of the 2 years we are in transition because the back stop refers to how things will be handled after the transition period has ended, not before and the deal or no deal refers to the transition period, not the future relationship. The EU don't need anything more than that, they are, in that sense, being obstructive to a deal being done.

Are you sure? :think:

[bots]

Are you sure? :think:

yep, once you think about it for a minute it's not unreasonable, and i'm no Boris fan. During transition we are still effectively in the customs union, so none of the arguments apply until after transition

[arista]

Boris said today we leave 31st Oct 2019
today on all news channels.

[Twosugars]

Boris said today we leave 31st Oct 2019
today on all news channels.

If he's still in the job

[arista]

If he's still in the job




Sure
His Adviser Dominic Cummings
has many alternate plans.

[Twosugars]

Re the backstop, the Guardian editorial, excerpt

It is important to remember what the backstop is. It is a customs and regulatory arrangement of last resort to address the unique situation in Ireland, for which Britain has shared legal and moral responsibility. It is designed to maintain an open and seamless border in Ireland in perpetuity. It would only apply if the UK and the EU cannot agree, by the end of the transition period, to a deal maintaining such a border. That is made more difficult by the tension between the UK government’s insistence on leaving the customs union and the single market, and the UK’s obligations under the Good Friday agreement which ensures the “demilitarisation” of the border as part of the peace process. Theresa May’s hope that ways could be found, amid mutual trust, of reconciling these objectives over time led Britain to propose such a backstop, to which the EU agreed. It should have been supported. But it split the Conservative party and triggered the overthrow of Mrs May by Mr Johnson.

The argument therefore directly pits the wish of the ruling hard-Brexit wing of the Tory party to deregulate the UK economy against Britain’s historic responsibilities to maintain peace in Northern Ireland and good relations with its neighbours in the Irish Republic. Polls, including one this week, show that what Mr Johnson proposes is rejected by the people of Northern Ireland (who also voted to remain in the EU back in 2016). They would prefer a regulatory border between Northern Ireland and Britain rather than between the two parts of Ireland. The US Congress has also said it will block any UK-US trade deal that undermines the peace process. Mr Johnson’s letter, with its brusque demand that the backstop must be scrapped, is both a dangerously frivolous threat to Ireland north and south and a gamble with his already highly tendentious trade aspirations.

It is easy to conclude that the letter is not a credible attempt to negotiate an alternative to the backstop at all. It contains two shoddily unreliable suggestions. One is to create “alternative arrangements” by the end of the transition period “as far as possible”. The other is to look “constructively and flexibly” at other commitments. In neither case is there any detail. If this is an opening bid in a process that is seriously intended to result in a deal with the EU, it is an extraordinarily reckless way of going about something on which so much rests.

[Twosugars]

Sure
His Adviser Dominic Cummings
has many alternate plans.

some in parliament will have plans too

[arista]

some in parliament will have plans too


Yes Dominic is fully aware

[Kizzy]

Boris said today we leave 31st Oct 2019
today on all news channels.

Then why is he bumbling on about transition periods then the fool?...

[Sticks]

here is a technological solution to the Irish boarder, its called razor wire, land mines and armed patrols with orders to shoot to kill. Armed boarder check points where anyone wanting to cross the border must apply in writing six months in advance of each crossing which we will be minded to refuse.

Also submarines patrolling the Irish sea with orders to fire on all EU and Irish ships entering UK territorial waters with no warning.

I foresee a united Ireland, united under the British jack boot as Ireland is starved into rescinding so called Irish independence.

Do I qualify for membership of the ERG now? (Once I wipe the foam from my mouth and nurse says it's ok)

[arista]

Then why is he bumbling on about transition periods then the fool?...


Sure
not like the EU would agree.

[Vanessa]

I've been granted indefinite leave to remain. It was in January, but I didn't realize until recently. I'm so happy :D

[Sticks]

I've been granted indefinite leave to remain. It was in January, but I didn't realize until recently. I'm so happy :D

I thought that kind of thing was being ripped up as of 31 October when we victoriously leap free of the EU unfettered by scuzzy deals

Free movement of EU nationals ends overnight.

[arista]

I've been granted indefinite leave to remain. It was in January, but I didn't realize until recently. I'm so happy :D


Great News
Vanessa

[Vanessa]

I thought that kind of thing was being ripped up as of 31 October when we victoriously leap free of the EU unfettered by scuzzy deals

Free movement of EU nationals ends overnight.

I can stay as long as I want now. :hee:

[Sticks]

But if you ever leave the UK to go on holiday, you will be barred from coming back.

[Vanessa]

But if you ever leave the UK to go on holiday, you will be barred from coming back.

I can go on holiday as well. But if I stay away for more than two years I lose my status.

[bots]

I can go on holiday as well. But if I stay away for more than two years I lose my status.

yeah, but the way things are going, you wont be allowed back in to Italy :laugh:

[Vanessa]

yeah, but the way things are going, you wont be allowed back in to Italy :laugh:

I have an Italian passport.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

I can stay as long as I want now. :hee:

We are keeping Vanessa,that is the main thing :love:

[Vanessa]

We are keeping Vanessa,that is the main thing :love:

I would love to take British citizenship. But it's so expensive :eek:

[arista]

Remainers will never accept a Leave result,
no matter how many referendums we have.

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[bots]

Of course remainers accept the result, it's there in black and white. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't use the democracy of parliament to reverse the result.

The problem is that it should never have been a referendum, it should always have been up to parliament to decide if we stayed or we left, that's what we elect MP's for.

When they voted to invoke article 50, that is where the mistake was made

[Nicky91]

I thought that kind of thing was being ripped up as of 31 October when we victoriously leap free of the EU unfettered by scuzzy deals

Free movement of EU nationals ends overnight.

also free movement of british nationals in the EU ends then

so it's gonna be tough for holidays in europe for the british people

and vice versa, what to think of not much more tourism income for britain, since who even wants to visit a country with a stuck up selfish british elite in power who don't even care about their own middle class, poor people in britain

[Vanessa]

also free movement of british nationals in the EU ends then

so it's gonna be tough for holidays in europe for the british people

and vice versa, what to think of not much more tourism income for britain, since who even wants to visit a country with a stuck up selfish british elite in power who don't even care about their own middle class, poor people in britain
I still have Italian nationality, so I'm good :D

[Kazanne]

also free movement of british nationals in the EU ends then

so it's gonna be tough for holidays in europe for the british people

and vice versa, what to think of not much more tourism income for britain, since who even wants to visit a country with a stuck up selfish british elite in power who don't even care about their own middle class, poor people in britain

Its been debated on TV his morning,we will still be able to travel,we might just have to exert ourselves and get a visa like we used to before we went into the EU.

[Cherie]

I would love to take British citizenship. But it's so expensive :eek:

how much is it?

[Vanessa]

how much is it?

My friend who did it recently told me she paid about 800 pounds :shocked:

[The Slim Reaper]

Vanessa and disaster capitalists are the only people who'll benefit from brexit.

[Vanessa]

Its been debated on TV his morning,we will still be able to travel,we might just have to exert ourselves and get a visa like we used to before we went into the EU.
I think it depends how long they go. A week I don't think will need a visa.

[Kazanne]

I think it depends how long they go. A week I don't think will need a visa.

That makes sense Vanessa :wavey:

[arista]

PM Johnson has arrived in Berlin
for a talk with the Lady in charge.


https://news.sky.com/story/live-boris-johnson-to-meet-angela-merkel-in-bid-to-break-brexit-deadlock-11790688

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[arista]

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[bots]

Their financial obligations include things like paying British peoples pensions, so they will pay it or there will be uproar. Also the payment is staggered over something like a 10 year period, paying the obligations on a year by year basis. There has been so much blatantly false information spread on this.

[Sticks]

STUFF IT

They can whistle for it

[arista]

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And

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1164113140499587073/r1Ad-Ci7?format=jpg&name=small

[Twosugars]

Angela Merkel has challenged Boris Johnson to come up with a solution to avert a no-deal Brexit “in the next 30 days”, putting responsibility for stopping the UK crashing out of the EU firmly at the British prime minister’s door


.

[bots]

He fell right in to Angela's trap .... clever guy

[arista]

Johnson PM is Live in France
He is telling the French Leader about all
the Co-Partnerships with the UK.
Even mentioned Concorde.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-macron-meets-johnson-after-warning-no-deal-brexit-will-be-britains-fault-11791091

[Cherie]

He fell right in to Angela's trap .... clever guy

tbf not sure what else could be expected, its the UK wont agree to the deal so they have to find a solution

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1164428416252350465/6w7CUu2-?format=jpg&name=small

[12:17

Johnson: A great deal of work has already been done to ensure a smooth transition on 31 October.
We want to do all the necessary work on both sides to prepare for Brexit.]

[arista]

[Macron says 'future of UK...cannot but be European' despite Brexit]
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[Twosugars]

The irony being it was May who came up with the backstop

[arista]

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[bots]

Every vat registered business is being auto signed up to a scheme that allows them to continue trading with the EU in the event of a no deal, so that settles a lot of immediate issues

[Kizzy]

Every vat registered business is being auto signed up to a scheme that allows them to continue trading with the EU in the event of a no deal, so that settles a lot of immediate issues

It allows HMRC to keep taking their money....Anyone can order goods and pay for goods, the brexit question is how do you get the goods here?

[bots]

It allows HMRC to keep taking their money....Anyone can order goods and pay for goods, the brexit question is how do you get the goods here?

without that scheme they wouldnt be able to trade with the EU so it is a pretty big thing. If they trade, the goods move back and forth .... that's how you get them

[Kizzy]

without that scheme they wouldnt be able to trade with the EU so it is a pretty big thing. If they trade, the goods move back and forth .... that's how you get them

Do you have a link to this deal info please,
VAT is just one tax businesses deal with there are many others, what of those?

I'm aware of how goods move in theory bots, in practice what will the border issues be...or the transportation?

How does paying VAT solve these problems?

[bots]

Do you have a link to this deal info please,
VAT is just one tax businesses deal with there are many others, what of those?

I'm aware of how goods move in theory bots, in practice what will the border issues be...or the transportation?

How does paying VAT solve these problems?

this isn't a vat scheme, its just those that are vat registered are automatically registered to this trading scheme. There are details on the BBC news site, thats where I saw it yesterday, the link isn't on the front page today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49408848

The government has said it will start automatically enrolling UK firms in a customs system as it speeds up its preparations for a no-deal Brexit.

The move will enable UK firms to continue to trade with EU member states after the UK leaves the EU.

Business trade groups had urged the government to act after many firms failed to register for the system.

The CBI said it was "a sensible move" but "one of hundreds of things that needed to be done" in a no-deal event.

[Kizzy]

this isn't a vat scheme, its just those that are vat registered are automatically registered to this trading scheme. There are details on the BBC news site, thats where I saw it yesterday, the link isn't on the front page today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49408848

Well if it's one of a hundred things that need to be done I can't see it solving a lot of immediate issues. ..
Personally I don't see why they have to enrol if nothing is changing, what is the reason for enrolment? They are aware of the 240,000 businesses that currently trade, what reason could there be to re-register if it's not for revised charges?

[bots]

We will no longer be in the EU customs union, so we need our own customs system. If businesses are not in it they cant move goods in and out of the uk

There may well be 100 steps (although i believe that to be a gross exaggeration) but if they arent in that system they cant do trade with europe.

[arista]

Macron's so doable


At least he is Honest
perfect for Johnson PM

[Kizzy]

We will no longer be in the EU customs union, so we need our own customs system. If businesses are not in it they cant move goods in and out of the uk

There may well be 100 steps (although i believe that to be a gross exaggeration) but if they arent in that system they cant do trade with europe.

Had a look about...

https://www.theshippingchannel.com/rules-and-regulations/customs/what-is-an-eori-number/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-vjqBRA6EiwAe8TCk_N544d9h9KggWvtkcLx5JpCszV2JSRXfn_ XOBbxkn48PT_x3f7mpBoCOMsQAvD_BwE

So each country has its own EORI number..That's going to get hella complicated :/

Why do you feel the CBI is exaggerating?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Niamh.]

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:hee:

[Kizzy]

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:joker::joker: we totally were.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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Yes Enjoy your talk with Tusk
and a No deal is down to our PM
of course

[Kizzy]

Boris is a national embarrassment, the EU know all he wants is to get rid of the backstop but there is no way of doing that without tearing up the good Friday agreement... he's not honest enough to admit that.
Why is he there?... what is he doing? How many times does he have to be told by leaders and officials if he cannot come up with a viable solution himself the backstop stands!

I knew the guy was thick skinned but this is just totally shambolic, get rid of him!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris is a national embarrassment, the EU know all he wants is to get rid of the backstop but there is no way of doing that without tearing up the good Friday agreement... he's not honest enough to admit that.
Why is he there?... what is he doing? How many times does he have to be told by leaders and officials if he cannot come up with a viable solution himself the backstop stands!

I knew the guy was thick skinned but this is just totally shambolic, get rid of him!!

It's purely theatre and posturing. He'll come back and say that the EU refused to negotiate so they're forcing us into the brave new world of a no deal, which was totally what all the leavers voted for anyway.

[Nicky91]

oh fook off Macron, rubbish troll :idc: time you get the chop as leader of france, and time for renewal in france

[Kizzy]

It's purely theatre and posturing. He'll come back and say that the EU refused to negotiate so they're forcing us into the brave new world of a no deal, which was totally what all the leavers voted for anyway.

Yep new world order is round the corner, wouldn't surprise me if we wake up on Nov 1st and he's flogged the UK to trump!

[Nicky91]

Yep new world order is round the corner, wouldn't surprise me if we wake up on Nov 1st and he's flogged the UK to trump!

yep more riches for the rich brexiteer elite, more power for these power hungry idiots

and the british people fell for their false promises and lies :laugh3:

[Cherie]

Looking at Bojo and Macron meeting the press, I thought it looked quite positive, where there is a will there is a way :shrug: they both seems quite at ease with each other, I wasn't sensing the friction that Mrs May seemed to engender in her wake, anyhoo time will tell

[bots]

i think May was difficult to get on with for everyone and she has zero charisma which goes a long way to getting a deal over the line

It's one of the biggest failings of the shadow cabinet too, not an ounce of charisma

[Twosugars]

i think May was difficult to get on with for everyone and she has zero charisma which goes a long way to getting a deal over the line

It's one of the biggest failings of the shadow cabinet too, not an ounce of charisma

Thonberry is charismatic

[Kizzy]

Excuse me...the entire conservative cabinet look like they've just been dug up! What charisma have those 19th century ghouls got?

[Twosugars]

Excuse me...the entire conservative cabinet look like they've just been dug up! What charisma have those 19th century ghouls got?

Dont forget Jacob the vampire :hee:

[Kizzy]

Dont forget Jacob the vampire :hee:

Oh yeah I was specifically thinking of him... he is Mr charisma isn't he?... seeping out of every pore! :laugh:

[Beso]

The whole of Europe, ie the Germans and French. ..soften towards Boris in the space of 2 days..


Go Boris...make Britain great again.

[Twosugars]

The whole of Europe, ie the Germans and French. ..soften towards Boris in the space of 2 days..


Go Boris...make Britain great again.

Yup, they told him to come up with a solution and stop blaming them. Great result

[Beso]

Yup, they told him to come up with a solution and stop blaming them. Great result

It certainly looked like he brought that solution....and he wasn't blaming macron or the Germans. ..


Time the 3 powers took over from these morons running the eu...


Goodbye eu..:wavey:...bout bloody time.

[Twosugars]

It certainly looked like he brought that solution....and he wasn't blaming macron or the Germans. ..


Time the 3 powers took over from these morons running the eu...


Goodbye eu..:wavey:...bout bloody time.

Scotland will rejoin

[Beso]

Scotland will rejoin

Like my old granny would say.....more fool them.

[Nicky91]

Scotland will rejoin

if only northern ireland had as much courage as scotland, to leave britain and rejoin EU

but no, northern irish are like weak sheep and all on them this border crisis, which would not be if they weren't a part of britain :bored:

[Niamh.]

if only northern ireland had as much courage as scotland, to leave britain and rejoin EU

but no, northern irish are like weak sheep and all on them this border crisis, which would not be if they weren't a part of britain :bored:

Your opinions on NI/Ireland are really uninformed, ignorant and bordering on offensive Nicky

[Nicky91]

Your opinions on NI/Ireland are really uninformed, ignorant and bordering on offensive Nicky

maybe i am uninformed then, i haven't really learned about the NI/Ireland in the history books at school here

i just thought if northern ireland wasn't part of britain, there wasn't this border issue with the no deal brexit

[The Slim Reaper]

Nicky versus the weak Irish

[Cherie]

maybe i am uninformed then, i haven't really learned about the NI/Ireland in the history books at school here

i just thought if northern ireland wasn't part of britain, there wasn't this border issue with the no deal brexit

We are all used to your comments on reality tv shows and that's fine, but maybe a bit of research before you trot out statements on real life issues might work for you Nicky? I'm finding it hard to believe you have never heard to the troubles though, and please don't message me, anything you have to say can be put on the thread.

[Nicky91]

We are all used to your comments on reality tv shows and that's fine, but maybe a bit of research before you trot out statements on real life issues might work for you Nicky? I'm finding it hard to believe you have never heard to the troubles though, and please don't message me, anything you have to say can be put on the thread.

it wasn't in our history school books here, but i've heard about IRA via the news

also i did some research and apparently northern irish leader arlene foster is a IRA Bombing survivor

and also doing further research i saw that from the UK countries, scotland and northern ireland had majorities to remain in the EU, but the northern irish biggest party in NI parliament in DUP (democrat unions party) who are against the backstop

[The Slim Reaper]

That's why the Irish always do better with strong English rule.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[AnnieK]

1164804464848470016

It would be hilarious if it wasn't exactly right

[Twosugars]

How deluded :umm2:

[Ammi]

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...28 days later..?..


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/0c/78/ee0c7889915ae556d8961c5511917e45.gif

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/13412/production/_108466887_daily-telegraph-front-page-.jpg

[bots]

it's easy for Boris, he calls his cabinet together and says give me a solution

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim Reaper demands fresh Kate Upton and Kristen Bell soiree.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15B22/production/_108466888_i-front-23-08-19.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

Reaper encounters Upton & Bell resistance.

[Ammi]

Ireland's EU commissioner has launched a scathing attack on Boris Johnson, accusing the "unelected prime minister" of "gambling" with the Irish peace process.

Phil Hogan said the new PM was putting "the best interests of the Tory party ahead of the best interests of the UK" and had "stacked his cabinet with a ‘Hard Brexit Dream Team’".

The criticism of the nature of Mr Johnson's election comes after the prime minister described the Irish backstop as "undemocratic" in a letter to EU leaders.

But in apparent response to the claim, Mr Hogan said: "We should recall that the backstop was agreed by a prime minister who was democratically elected."

He added that the insistence that the backstop was undemocratic "seems strange" because it was "coming from an unelected prime minister" who had voted in favour of the Brexit deal in the Commons.

In speaking notes for the Commissioner's speech at a conference in Ireland, first reported by the Irish Independent, Mr Hogan is quoted as saying: "If the UK fails to prevent a crash-out Brexit they should be under no illusion regarding the foul atmosphere they will create with their EU partners and the serious consequences this will have for negotiating any future trade agreement.

"The UK continues to negotiate based on its experience of being an EU member. This misses the point completely: from the moment the UK came back to Brussels with the infamous red lines, the EU has negotiated on the basis of the UK opting for third country status."

"The UK government needs to take responsibility for its choices before it is too late. Prime Minister Johnson’s hero is Winston Churchill and he seems to view himself as a modern day Churchill.

"However, in the event of a no deal Brexit, the UK government’s only Churchilian legacy will be –‘never have so few done so much damage to so many’."

Mr Hogan has developed a reputation as the EU Commission's attack dog, having made a number of frank interventions in the Brexit process since talks began. In April he rubbished Theresa May's "global Britain" plan, warning that the UK would become a "medium-sized" nation with reduced bargaining power.

In June last year he said the tide was going out on the "high priests of Brexit", suggesting the British public were finally seeing through the “deception and lies” of politicians like Michael Gove and Nigel Farage.

His latests comments aimed at Boris Johnson come as former Tory minister Ed Vaizey accused the new [prime minister of being "hell-bent on getting no-deal".

Mr Vaizey said the prime minister was "going through the motions" in insisting that he wants the UK to leave the EU with an exit deal, warning that there was "no chance" of renegotiating the withdrawal agreement.

He told Radio 4's Today: "We're going to keep coming back to the Withdrawal Agreement, we're going to continue to have a hung parliament and a zombie parliament unless and until we leave the EU and parties can then campaign to try and get a majority.

"So we have to find a way to get parliament to agree to a deal and therefore I would give Boris Johnson the credit of at least forcing on parliament an existential crisis by being faced with a prime minister who is hell-bent on getting no-deal.

"He is completely serious about no-deal and there's no chance of him negotiating a deal with the EU, he knows that, he's just going though the motions."

[Alf]

Thonberry is charismaticin the same way Stalin was.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1164645214939701248/9UZk6Ihm?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

The inane grinning and arm flailing with Mrs Merkel, facepalming and putting your FEET on the furniture with Macron....Every day I just get more and more ashamed of where I'm from, and that is devastating.

[Nicky91]

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the grant sisters tackle questions about Ireland and Brexit

[The Slim Reaper]

Turning point is a white nationalist organisation, Nicky, and those girls are completely vacuous know nothings.

[Nicky91]

Turning point is a white nationalist organisation, Nicky, and those girls are completely vacuous know nothings.

these girls are the most loyal brexit party members as for the youngster brexiteers

[Cal.]

IS THIS still going on? Bloody ell!

[arista]

IS THIS still going on? Bloody ell!


New PM
Johnson speaking on every News Channel in France at the G7
to their reporters
so you Cal , can keep up with him

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm amazed you haven't posted about Johnson trying to close parliament so he can force through his no deal.

I guess you must have missed it this morning, eh Arista?

[arista]

I'm amazed you haven't posted about Johnson trying to close parliament so he can force through his no deal.

I guess you must have missed it this morning, eh Arista?



They are just sayings
If he can close Parliament
He will.

Get Brexit Done

[The Slim Reaper]

They are just sayings
If he can close Parliament
He will.

Get Brexit Done

Any means necessary sounds fascistic and eerily terroristic.

Also, the worst possible outcome for our economy and standard of living was not on the referendum, people were assured we'd be in the driving seat for new and better deals. This isn't what people voted for.

[arista]

Any means necessary sounds fascistic and eerily terroristic.



He wants Brexit Done
October 31st Thursday
then the markets crash on
another Black Friday.

[The Slim Reaper]

He wants Brexit Done
October 31st Thursday
then the markets crash on
another Black Friday.

Why would you be ok with that? Serious question. You're not a stupid man, I know you've been clouded by a lot of the right wing press you consume, but you know right from wrong.

[arista]

Why would you be ok with that? Serious question. You're not a stupid man, I know you've been clouded by a lot of the right wing press you consume, but you know right from wrong.

The Media I take in ,is from all sources
Its Democracy.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Media I take in ,is from all sources
Its Democracy.

Democracy is not an unelected PM trying to close parliament so that he can force pain on the people he wasn't chosen to represent.

[The Slim Reaper]

No deal preparations in full swing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECpUsZfU0AEaUrM?format=jpg&name=large

[Nicky91]

yeah well just get it done with, the best thing for britain now is to get this brexit sorted and then parliament can discuss solving other problems in britain

because i am pretty sure there is enough for parliament to discuss how to make britain safer, and greater than ever before

oh and also looking into how to secure tower buildings against fires, to prevent a drama similar to grenfell

get homeless off the Streets would also be important to look into

[Kizzy]

yeah well just get it done with, the best thing for britain now is to get this brexit sorted and then parliament can discuss solving other problems in britain

because i am pretty sure there is enough for parliament to discuss how to make britain safer, and greater than ever before

oh and also looking into how to secure tower buildings against fires, to prevent a drama similar to grenfell

get homeless off the Streets would also be important to look into
Where's that 'she doesn't even go here' gif when you need it?

[Kizzy]

No deal preparations in full swing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECpUsZfU0AEaUrM?format=jpg&name=large

No way... please say thats parody? I feel sick.

[arista]

Democracy is not an unelected PM trying to close parliament so that he can force pain on the people he wasn't chosen to represent.



Gordon Brown New Labour PM
was the bloody same
unelected

[The Slim Reaper]

No way... please say thats parody? I feel sick.

It's real, but not a brexit article.

[The Slim Reaper]

Gordon Brown New Labour PM
was the bloody same
unelected

Brown didn't try and close parliament so he could force through something that every genuine expert acknowledges will harm the country, and that even those that voted leave didn't vote for. I know the hardcore believers are trying to pretend that they voted no-deal all along, but that's not what the leave campaigners were saying at the time.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzQ1oDWkAArEHW?format=png&name=small

[Kizzy]

I'm going to say I feel positive the commons will succeed in blocking it, maybe it's overestimating our British sense of fair play or simply wishful thinking but I can't see no deal happening.
I appreciate I may have to eat my words here.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Kizzy]

It's real, but not a brexit article.

I thought it was a given we were long pigs... genetically akin to pork? Why are they discussing it urrgghhh!

[bots]

Boris is now publicly stating that a deal is now touch and go. This is such a surprise

[Sticks]

Well according to certain tabloids we are left with the impression that


The country voted 10000% for No Stinking Deal :huh:
The country want to Leave with no stinking deals NOW!!!
The true people of the UK wants to Kick out all EU nationals and sprogs they have had here, to give their jobs to Brits eager to do them :shocked:
The UK wants an nice shiny hard border across Northern Ireland with rasor wire, land mines and armed guards with orders to shoot to kill with no warning.


Altogether now :dance:

We're leaving without a deal
We're leaving without a deal
Joy oh Joy oh joy
We're leaving without a deal

:bored:

[arista]

Brown didn't try and close parliament so he could force through something that every genuine expert acknowledges will harm the country, and that even those that voted leave didn't vote for. I know the hardcore believers are trying to pretend that they voted no-deal all along, but that's not what the leave campaigners were saying at the time.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzQ1oDWkAArEHW?format=png&name=small



Of Course he Hates a Referendum
He was scared to do one.

[arista]

Boris is now publicly stating that a deal is now touch and go. This is such a surprise



Not really
as the EU will
not remove the Backstop

Which means
no other deal.

But WTO

[The Slim Reaper]

Of Course he Hates a Referendum
He was scared to do one.

For the millionth time, you purposefully avoid the actual point I was making.

[Kizzy]

Not really
as the EU will
not remove the Backstop

Which means
no other deal.

But WTO

Why should they?... Their priority is the good Friday agreement which you would have thought would be equally if not more important to us.... why isn't it?

[Twosugars]

We have ideological nutjobs running the show
But everyone is to blame including remainers who can't mount an effective protest campaign and just whimper on the sidelines.
The country is sleepwalking into an American style capitalist tax haven enclave
Just as well there's an English-speaking EU country next door in Ireland. Somewhere to emigrate to.

[Twosugars]

Why should they?... Their priority is the good Friday agreement which you would have thought would be equally if not more important to us.... why isn't it?

Bc brexit is more important to them than Ireland, or Scotland.
Yet again, it's all about England innit. The Union is a sham.

[arista]

For the millionth time, you purposefully avoid the actual point I was making.



Look we are where we are
ready for Brexit

[arista]

Why should they?... Their priority is the good Friday agreement which you would have thought would be equally if not more important to us.... why isn't it?



The Good Friday Agreement
can hang on in there
No one is putting in Border Controls

[Twosugars]

Look we are where we are
ready for Brexit

When we brexit and things go wrong will you apologise for posts like this?

[arista]

When we brexit and things go wrong will you apologise for posts like this?



No

Things can go wrong all the time
I am not a MP

[Twosugars]

No

Things can go wrong all the time
I am not a MP

But you say we are ready although its obvious we are not.
Shouldn't you take responsibility for your words?

[arista]

But you say we are ready although its obvious we are not.
Shouldn't you take responsibility for your words?



Of Course we are ready
my words are not a problem

[Twosugars]

Of Course we are ready
my words are not a problem

They are if you spread lies.

[arista]

They are if you spread lies.



No Lies.

[Twosugars]

No Lies.

You say we are ready, that's a lie.
You read about medicines, that's not ready.

[arista]

You say we are ready, that's a lie.
You read about medicines, that's not ready.


They have over 60 days
to sort out the medicinens

[Twosugars]

They have over 60 days
to sort out the medicinens

Then we are not ready yet.

[arista]

There is a shortage of a HRT drug
Nothing to do with Brexit
they just can not make enough for World demand



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49452029

[Kizzy]

The Good Friday Agreement
can hang on in there
No one is putting in Border Controls

Right, so explain how goods get across the border post brexit.

[arista]

Right, so explain how goods get across the border post brexit.


Same roads

[Kizzy]

Same roads

Not roads...Borders.

[arista]

Not roads...Borders.


No one is setting up Border Controls

[Twosugars]

Brexit propaganda not facts. Alternative "facts"

[Kizzy]

No one is setting up Border Controls

Why not?... it's a European border..a risk.

[Sticks]

We are, according to some.

Razor wire and land mines with armed guards being given orders to shoot to kill on sight with no warnings given. There is only going to be one customs post / armed checkpoint and anyone wanting to come into the UK will have to have applied for visa six months in advance, which we will be minded to refuse.

We are going to have submarines patrolling the Irish sea with orders to sink all shipping entering our waters from Irish territorial waters and all shipping trying to enter Irish waters if passing through our waters.

The Good Friday (We surrender to the IRA unconditionally) Surrender Agreement is going. There will be a united Ireland, united under the British Jack boot as we starve Ireland into submission

After all that is what 10000% of the British public voted for on 23 June 2016.

Well according to the likes of certain hard line Brexiteers, that is the impression I get.

[Sticks]

Have I killed this thread?

[Alf]

Democracy is not an unelected PM trying to close parliament so that he can force pain on the people he wasn't chosen to represent.He is an elected PM. What you talking about? He's the leader of the Conservative party who were elected to form government.

[Nicky91]

He is an elected PM. What you talking about? He's the leader of the Conservative party who were elected to form government.

this doesn't mean the british people wanted Boris as PM though

[arista]

Why not?... it's a European border..a risk.



The EU does not want
any Border Controls

[arista]

this doesn't mean the british people wanted Boris as PM though


We had the same
before 2010
With New Labour Prime Minster Gordon Brown

[arista]

Have I killed this thread?



No

[Alf]

this doesn't mean the british people wanted Boris as PM thoughThe British public don't get to decide who the leader of the party is. Why would they?

[Nicky91]

The British public don't get to decide who the leader of the party is. Why would they?

this is so in the spirit of true democracy :conf:

[Twosugars]

Lest we forget


"We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the negotiation is completed."
Jacob Rees Mogg, October 2011, https://youtu.be/B3rX4nJ0snc

"There are good grounds for a new government team to offer the public a voice on what the deal looks like. And we obviously wouldn’t oppose that... I think there’s a strong democratic case for it."
- Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave campaign director, January 2016
https://www.economist.com/bagehots-notebook/2016/01/21/an-interview-with-dominic-cummings

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Nigel Farage, 16 May 2016, https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

[Twosugars]

A comment in the Guardian sums it up

The EU didn't propose the backstop. It was a UK initiative.
• The current iteration of the backstop came about at the UK’s insistence.
• Its indefinite nature reflects the UK’s indefinite legal responsibility under the GFA.
• If Brexiters truly had “alternative arrangements” ready, the backstop would never take effect.

In fact, worth repeating:
The EU didn't vote to leave the UK.
The EU didn't propose the backstop. It was a UK initiative.
The EU didn't vote down the Withdrawal Agreement. The UK did.
If a hard Irish border appears, it will be entirely the UK's fault.
No ifs, no buts, it will be entirely the UK's fault.

[Sticks]

I just noticed that we are up to page 199

Can the forum sustain that many pages on a single thread without any problems?

[arista]

I just noticed that we are up to page 199

Can the forum sustain that many pages on a single thread without any problems?


Yes

[bots]

A comment in the Guardian sums it up

but none of that is important. The fact is that it is impossible to deliver on the result of the referendum to satisfy any majority of the public or the HoC

Another election or another referendum wont change that.

However we leave the EU there will be a bunch of unhappy people. A question without an answer shouldn't have been asked of the British public. Thats the problem.

[Twosugars]

but none of that is important. The fact is that it is impossible to deliver on the result of the referendum to satisfy any majority of the public or the HoC

Another election or another referendum wont change that.

However we leave the EU there will be a bunch of unhappy people. A question without an answer shouldn't have been asked of the British public. Thats the problem.

Untrue.
There would be a majority in parliament is party politics didnt get in the way of the national interest. But as it does it makes it all a sad farce

[bots]

Untrue.
There would be a majority in parliament is party politics didnt get in the way of the national interest. But as it does it makes it all a sad farce

think what you like, but what i said was not untrue, and i'm sick of statements just like that being thrown around all the time

[Twosugars]

think what you like, but what i said was not untrue, and i'm sick of statements just like that being thrown around all the time

It's not my fault you are wrong.

May's deal would have passed easily if labour didnt oppose it bc of party politics.

Creating a government of national unity would have sorted things ages ago. But nobody wanted that...bc of party politics.

[Cherie]

Quite enjoyed Slim getting Nickied on this thread :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Quite enjoyed Slim getting Nickied on this thread :laugh:

:fist:

It's only funny when it happens to other people!

[Withano]

Imagine if you went in to a coma at the beginning of the brexit campaigns and then woke up today and looked at brexit news and arguments on the internet... you’d honestly think that you only missed a couple days lol.

[arista]

imagine if you went in to a coma at the beginning of the brexit campaigns and then woke up today and looked at brexit news and arguments on the internet... You’d honestly think that you only missed a couple days lol.


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

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oh God, and people said he was finished :skull: nightmare scenario

[arista]

oh God, and people said he was finished :skull: nightmare scenario



Yes its all in Boris Hands
Next week in Parliament.
He refuses to join to with Farage,
at this time.

[Kizzy]

Don't let bojo poroour, poorogu, porogue. ...shut parliament!!!
:fist: :fist: :fist:

[arista]

[Anti no-deal coalition 'backs forcing PM to delay Brexit through law'
Three of those involved in the talks say the focus will not be on trying to make Jeremy Corbyn an interim prime minister.]


https://news.sky.com/story/anti-no-deal-coalition-backs-forcing-pm-to-delay-brexit-through-law-11795370

[Kizzy]

[Anti no-deal coalition 'backs forcing PM to delay Brexit through law'
Three of those involved in the talks say the focus will not be on trying to make Jeremy Corbyn an interim prime minister.]


https://news.sky.com/story/anti-no-deal-coalition-backs-forcing-pm-to-delay-brexit-through-law-11795370
Fgs! Jo Swinton you startled moose! Just make Jeremy PM and let's sort this total feck fest that is brexit out once and for all!!

[arista]

Fgs! Jo Swinton you startled moose! Just make Jeremy PM and let's sort this total feck fest that is brexit out once and for all!!



No they have not pushed for a Temp PM Yet.
They are are all united to stop a No Deal
get through.


Of Course Johnson PM
still has a chance to bring in a new deal.

[bots]

The government is expected to suspend parliament mid september

Oops

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

[arista]

Yes Touch and Go

[bots]

There is a big potential now for things to get very ugly. This is where we could be in riot territory

[arista]

There is a big potential now for things to get very ugly. This is where we could be in riot territory


Who is doing the Riot?
Left Wingers?


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[arista]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDC218LX4AIj3lX?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

Who is doing the Riot?
Left Wingers?


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1165955552553381892/NLkEwLuX?format=jpg&name=small

no, i think radical groups will take advantage of peaceful protest. There will be peaceful protest at parliament being shut down to force a political agenda. It is crossing the line

[arista]

no, i think radical groups will take advantage of peaceful protest. There will be peaceful protest at parliament being shut down to force a political agenda. It is crossing the line



How Nice

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

This is a dangerous PM.
This is something I think he will and should be made to regret ever doing, it he does.

However it's now down to those Conservative MPs who have made lots of noise but still voting with this power mad man.
They need to think very hard about their futures in the Party.
If those really opposed to a no deal brexit and who've never supported this much longer suspension of Parliament, now still pay just lip service against it yet still sit on their hands.
They have no credibility left.

This is a disgrace and will only increase divisions across the Country and the Parliamentary MPs too.

A black day for the UK brought in by a discredited government.

[Cherie]

Insanity

[arista]

"A black day for the UK brought in by a discredited government"


https://spartacus-educational.com/00execution1.jpg



Yes Joey
we have a Shocking History on that.

[arista]

Insanity


Are you saying
the Queen, can not hack this?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1166627936541315072/MdQ8_PSu?format=jpg&name=small

[Twosugars]

Yup, suspending democracy. True colours of brexit ideological project revealed.

[Twosugars]

The markets regard no deal as the worst possible outcome for the British economy and news that there will be a cross party effort to counter Prime Minister Johnson’s plans to leave on the 31st of October no matter what, were enough to fuel Sterling gains of nearly 0.5% to the Dollar.

However, these gains have been completely cancelled during early Wednesday trading, as reports emerge that Boris Johnson will ask the Queen to suspend parliament from mid-September until mid-October; a move seen as a way to ensure his plans of a no-deal Brexit are executed, without interference from MPs opposed to such an outcome.



The Guardian

[arista]

Yup, suspending democracy. True colours of brexit ideological project revealed.


Its just a month
We will get by.

[Twosugars]

Its just a month
We will get by.

You missed the point completely

[arista]

You missed the point completely


But you are wrong
Its Democracy to to leave on 31st October


You can not Underestimate
Johnson/Cummings Team,


Black Friday is due 1st of Nov 2019
Rock On./

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDDMsYXYAANgnp?format=jpg&name=small
This being posted on Twitter
by Pro Brexit Folks


And from the Other side

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC4cnbZXYAAdUnF?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Liam-]

But you are wrong
Its Democracy to to leave on 31st October

Aye, but it’s undemocratic to shut down parliament to purposely silence the opposing voice

[Scarlett.]

Over and over throughout Brex****, we've had to listen to 'will of the people' and how important democracy is, but now here we have an unelected PM shutting down parliament so that elected MPs can't do their job.

**** BJ, **** the Tories. Had enough of their ****e, this past nine years has been an absolute ****ing shambles, from the DWP fiascos to Grenfell, to the THREE Prime Ministers we've gone through. It's beyond a joke, the Tory party must be voted OUT, they've done nothing but harm this country from the moment they got in.

[arista]

Aye, but it’s undemocratic to shut down parliament to purposely silence the opposing voice


Its a Blip

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[arista]

Over and over throughout Brex****, we've had to listen to 'will of the people' and how important democracy is, but now here we have an unelected PM shutting down parliament so that elected MPs can't do their job.

**** BJ, **** the Tories. Had enough of their ****e, this past nine years has been an absolute ****ing shambles, from the DWP fiascos to Grenfell, to the THREE Prime Ministers we've gone through. It's beyond a joke, the Tory party must be voted OUT, they've done nothing but harm this country from the moment they got in.



Well Then Dia
Prime Minister Corbyn, for you.

[Ammi]

..if it was the will of the people../...democracy then there would be an interest in all voices being heard and none silenced...this is not being done for the country, for the people...this is being done for Boris Johnson and his own ego and his own self reasons...never in the history has there been such a self promoting, self serving government...he’s despicable in character...

[Liam-]

Its a Blip

No, it’s an intentional attempt to silence their opposition, something the right wingers ironically claim is happening to them

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDCB-VXYAAUJ0n?format=png&name=900x900



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDCB-WXYAAB4Rq?format=png&name=900x900
Page 2 of his letter

[bots]

What's particularly sad is that Boris is making the queen complicit in silencing democracy. We all know that she is supposed to follow the will of the government so can't reasonably stop the governments action. At a stroke, Boris has humiliated the queen and silenced democracy.

[arista]

..if it was the will of the people../...democracy then there would be an interest in all voices being heard and none silenced...this is not being done for the country, for the people...this is being done for Boris Johnson and his own ego and his own self reasons...never in the history has there been such a self promoting, self serving government...he’s despicable in character...


How Nice

Although there is one
Picture I have posted today
showing a King getting his Head Chopped off
in the London Parliament

I need a Time Machine , Ammi.

[Ammi]

...and could possibly lead to blood on his hands with the destruction of the Good Friday Agreement....but to Boris it’s all a coy game of Trump cards and politics...he really does disgust me..

[arista]

What's particularly sad is that Boris is making the queen complicit in silencing democracy. We all know that she is supposed to follow the will of the government so can't reasonably stop the governments action. At a stroke, Boris has humiliated the queen and silenced democracy.



He has spoken with her
its all good