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Northern Monkey
22-03-2019, 05:03 PM
Most people don’t want a Norway style deal anyway.Not without some ++’s.
It’s worse than being in the EU.No benefit to us.May aswell remain over that.
arista
22-03-2019, 05:04 PM
Yes we will not have a Norway Style out
that's the same as being in
but without have any say.
arista
22-03-2019, 05:04 PM
It's just a shame his opinions are trash!
No he is OK
reece(:
22-03-2019, 05:05 PM
Norway or Canada brexit will do
arista
22-03-2019, 05:06 PM
Norway or Canada brexit will do
No to Norway
James
22-03-2019, 06:48 PM
You have you confirm your vote via email, so that’s not possible, it’s just people trolling
Judging by the spam registrations on this forum e-mail verification doesn't do much to stop spammers.
If we didn't block certain countries from registering, and check IP addresses against known spammer blocklists we would be getting hundreds of spam accounts on here every day.
Although I can't be sure every spam account that is blocked has a valid e-mail address, as they are blocked before they get to that stage.
Cherie
22-03-2019, 07:21 PM
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These people are really pissed off and all diplomatic niceties are out the window it seems :laugh:
Looks like May wont present her deal again as the DUP have said they won't support it. So it's looking like a long extension opening up the very real possibility of a new ref.
arista
23-03-2019, 08:52 AM
Looks like May wont present her deal again as the DUP have said they won't support it. So it's looking like a long extension opening up the very real possibility of a new ref.
No other votes on dead plans
then Leave
No other votes on dead plans
then Leave
it will be down to the Tory party and the DUP now. They can stop a ref and they can stop a long extension, we will see.
user104658
23-03-2019, 10:22 AM
https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/status/1109145636216152065?s=19
We're saved!
arista
23-03-2019, 11:12 AM
https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/status/1109145636216152065?s=19
We're saved!
Yes he is a Freak
arista
23-03-2019, 01:18 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2V53CqX4AEwsC-.jpg
You can demand
all you want.
But as you are not MP's
its a waste of time.
Today in Central London
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 01:24 PM
Petition hits 4 million
arista
23-03-2019, 01:31 PM
Petition hits 4 million
Yes it will get a Debate in Parliament
then we leave
We know approx 50% of the population are against leaving the EU, so these marches and petitions are a complete waste of time, they aren't going to achieve anything. The majority of MP's don't want to leave the EU so they already have disproportionate support in their favour.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 01:49 PM
Marches and petitions are democracy in action.
Only bc you don't agree with them it doesn't mean they shouldn't happen.
arista
23-03-2019, 01:50 PM
We know approx 50% of the population are against leaving the EU, so these marches and petitions are a complete waste of time, they aren't going to achieve anything. The majority of MP's don't want to leave the EU so they already have disproportionate support in their favour.
Yes Well Put
bitontheslide
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 01:53 PM
you two leave then, I'm staying
ref was advisory not legally-binding, people are allowed to express their opinion again
arista
23-03-2019, 02:17 PM
you two leave then, I'm staying
ref was advisory not legally-binding, people are allowed to express their opinion again
You do not have a say.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 02:19 PM
You do not have a say.
I do
arista
23-03-2019, 02:25 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/B3B4/production/_106140064_gettyimages-1091378024.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/08/11/9555322-6681967-image-m-28_1549624177397.jpg
Sticks
23-03-2019, 05:03 PM
Still leaving without a deal
Still leaving without a deal
Ee I adio
Still leaving without a deal
UK law still says 29 March, this Friday
user104658
23-03-2019, 05:14 PM
Still leaving without a deal
Still leaving without a deal
Ee I adio
Still leaving without a deal
UK law still says 29 March, this Friday
22nd May if MP's agree to the deal (they won't) and until 12th April to propose another plan if not are dates that have already been confirmed, Sticks. Nothing is happening on March 29th.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/oWqwtop.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QEve3Ab.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AVWueKL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IyEqTs2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Zh6TWMl.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/Ynchgi2.jpg
Sticks
23-03-2019, 05:19 PM
22nd May if MP's agree to the deal (they won't) and until 12th April to propose another plan if not are dates that have already been confirmed, Sticks. Nothing is happening on March 29th.
At the moment under UK Law, not EU concession, but UK Law, we are leaving THIS Friday, without a deal.
The law has not been changed here in the UK to reflect the machinations of the EU
James
23-03-2019, 05:26 PM
At the moment under UK Law, not EU concession, but UK Law, we are leaving THIS Friday, without a deal.
The law has not been changed here in the UK to reflect the machinations of the EU
According to Andrew Neil this isn't the case.
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arista
23-03-2019, 05:29 PM
At the moment under UK Law, not EU concession, but UK Law, we are leaving THIS Friday, without a deal.
The law has not been changed here in the UK to reflect the machinations of the EU
Yes they are Due to do that this week.
So we can post the New Legal Date will be April 12th.
If she does her treaty deal
and it gets the votes?
Then we get a new date of May 22nd
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:36 PM
Calls grow for public inquiry into Brexit
Calls for a public inquiry into Brexit are mounting among diplomats, business figures, peers and MPs, amid claims that the civil service is already planning for a future investigation into how it has been handled.
The decision to call the referendum, the red lines drawn up by Theresa May and Britain’s negotiating strategy are all issues that senior figures would like to be examined.
Bob Kerslake, the former head of the civil service, said an inquiry was needed into “the biggest humiliation since Suez, certainly since the IMF crisis [in 1976]”. The cross-party peer said he believed the civil service “is both expecting and preparing for this”.
“We do need to understand how on earth we ended up where we have and it probably needs to go back to the decisions around holding a referendum and the way the question was framed,” he said. “It would need to be a public inquiry, probably judge-led.”
Peter Ricketts, the former national security adviser and former head civil servant in the Foreign Office, cited the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war. “Chilcot took a long time, but it was cathartic,” he said. “The report was widely seen to have done the job and I think you can say the British system is better for it. I think the handling of Brexit has been such a failure of the process of government, with such wide ramifications, that there needs to be a searching public inquiry.
“What advice was given to ministers? Was it taken? Did the processes of collective cabinet decision-taking work? Were the right skills available, for example on no-deal planning and all the costs involved? They are all legitimate questions for an inquiry. It should have the powers of a judicial inquiry.”
One senior Tory peer said: “We want our Chilcot.”
Sir Mike Rake, the former chair of BT, said: “When the dust has settled, there really should be some kind of public inquiry, looking at both the issues around holding a referendum and the context of what has happened in terms of pursuing Brexit.”
Many figures are already pointing to May’s early decision to set out strict red lines that seriously limited Britain’s ability to negotiate. John Kerr, Britain’s former EU ambassador who drafted the article 50 process of leaving the bloc, said: “Those red lines laid down in 2016 emerged with no consultation with the country, the devolved assemblies, parliament or with the cabinet. Then there was the decision to trigger article, 50 still with no agreement in cabinet of where we wanted to end up.”
Sir Jonathan Faull, a former senior EU official, said: “It would be surprising if the events relating to UK withdrawal from the EU were not the subject of one or more inquiries. An important initial question will be when to start. The 2015 election? The 2016 referendum? The article 50 notification? The scope ranges from Whitehall and Westminster to Belfast, Brussels and beyond.”
There is also support in the Commons. Tom Watson, Labour’s deputy leader, said: “The government’s handling of Brexit has been a shambles from start to finish. It was a dereliction of duty to allow the country to get to this point, days before Brexit, in danger of crashing out with no deal or trying to force parliament to accept a deal it’s already rejected twice. We will certainly need a detailed postmortem of how this all came to pass.”
The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Inquiry will be essential.
The mishandling of the whole process lost Britain reputation for common-sense and efficiency. The brand UK is in the gutter bc of this.
Sticks
23-03-2019, 05:37 PM
In Primary Legislation, namely the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 it says
In this Act references to before, after or on exit day, or to beginning with exit day, are to be read as references to before, after or at 11.00 p.m. on 29 March 2019 or (as the case may be) to beginning with 11.00 p.m. on that day.
This is primary legislation which has to go before both houses to be changed, plus committee stages, for which there is no time.
arista
23-03-2019, 05:37 PM
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arista
23-03-2019, 05:39 PM
"The brand UK is in the gutter because of this. "
Sure Twosugars
but after we leave it will settle down.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:41 PM
George Monbiot on Leave campaign dodgy money
In Britain, for example, we now know that the EU referendum was won with the help of widespread cheating. We still don’t know the origins of much of the money spent by the leave campaigns. For example, we have no idea who provided the £435,000 channelled through Scotland, into Northern Ireland, through the coffers of the Democratic Unionist party and back into Scotland and England, to pay for pro-Brexit ads. Nor do we know the original source of the £8m that Arron Banks delivered to the Leave.EU campaign. We do know that both of the main leave campaigns have been fined for illegal activities, and that the conduct of the referendum has damaged many people’s faith in the political system. But, astonishingly, the government has so far failed to introduce a single new law in response to these events. And now it’s happening again.
Since mid-January an organisation called Britain’s Future has spent £125,000 on Facebook ads demanding a hard or no-deal Brexit. Most of them target particular constituencies. Where an MP is deemed sympathetic to the organisation’s aims, the voters who receive these ads are urged to tell him or her to “remove the backstop, rule out a customs union, deliver Brexit without delay”. Where the MP is deemed unsympathetic, the message is: “Don’t let them steal Brexit; Don’t let them ignore your vote.”
So who or what is Britain’s Future? Sorry, I have no idea. As openDemocracy points out, it has no published address and releases no information about who founded it, who controls it and who has been paying for these advertisements. The only person publicly associated with it is a journalist called Tim Dawson, who edits its website. Dawson has not yet replied to the questions I have sent him. It is, in other words, highly opaque.
reece(:
23-03-2019, 05:42 PM
"The brand UK is in the gutter because of this. "
Sure Twosugars
but after we leave it will settle down.
This won't be over for many many years yet considering the agreement is merely step 1 https://atrl.net/uploads/emoticons/lmao.gif
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:44 PM
"The brand UK is in the gutter because of this. "
Sure Twosugars
but after we leave it will settle down.
Reputational damage takes a long time to recover, Arista.
And you're assuming whoever is in power after leaving (if it happens) will be competent. I don't see many competent people among brexit politicians, sorry.
Vast majority of sensible politicians is in the Remain camp as it is the sensible thing to do.
arista
23-03-2019, 05:47 PM
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arista
23-03-2019, 05:49 PM
Reputational damage takes a long time to recover, Arista.
And you're assuming whoever is in power after leaving (if it happens) will be competent. I don't see many competent people among brexit politicians, sorry.
Vast majority of sensible politicians is in the Remain camp as it is the sensible thing to do.
Yes , better than her.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:50 PM
Paterson, the loon, doesn't even know the basics. Scary
arista
23-03-2019, 05:51 PM
This won't be over for many many years yet considering the agreement is merely step 1 https://atrl.net/uploads/emoticons/lmao.gif
Yes more better deals to come
after we leave
Very large turn out today, a few families with kids but mostly old people..all the young ones I saw were drinking heavily and trashing the streets..
On the way back from the March plenty middle aged snobs quaffing wine and food proudly showing thier yellow badges as the Romanian begger sat shivering, ignored on the street..or the old lady, preaching about God, being snarled at and mocked by the passers by.
But they care for Britain?
Load of **** they do...they care about the penny in thier pocket and **** all else.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:52 PM
Yes , better than her.
any names you care to mention?
Boris, fook business, Johnson?
Andrea, I'm a mother, Leadsom?
Moggy the Vampire?
David, I work only 2 days a week, Davies?
arista
23-03-2019, 05:52 PM
Paterson, the loon, doesn't even know the basics. Scary
I posted that for Sticks
as Henry Newman knows the the EU Law.
arista
23-03-2019, 05:53 PM
any names you care to mention?
Boris, fook business, Johnson?
Andrea, I'm a mother, Leadsom?
Moggy the Vampire?
David, I work only 2 days a week, Davies?
a Muslim.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:53 PM
I posted that for Sticks
as Henry Newman knows the the EU Law.
who cares what Newman knows, he's not in parliament. Paterson is.
Paterson, the loon, doesn't even know the basics. Scary
he isn't necessarily wrong. It is something that can be legally challenged. For the example, the EU could then just say the brexit date is moved to 2100 ... haha you are not leaving .... thats not how it works.
arista
23-03-2019, 05:55 PM
Very large turn out today, a few families with kids but mostly old people..all the young ones I saw were drinking heavily and trashing the streets..
On the way back from the March plenty middle aged snobs quaffing wine and food proudly showing thier yellow badges as the Romanian begger sat shivering, ignored on the street..or the old lady, preaching about God, being snarled at and mocked by the passers by.
But they care for Britain?
Load of **** they do...they care about the penny in thier pocket and **** all else.
Great Observation
parmnion.
reece(:
23-03-2019, 05:56 PM
Petition at 4.5mill
user104658
23-03-2019, 05:57 PM
In Primary Legislation, namely the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 it says
In this Act references to before, after or on exit day, or to beginning with exit day, are to be read as references to before, after or at 11.00 p.m. on 29 March 2019 or (as the case may be) to beginning with 11.00 p.m. on that day.
This is primary legislation which has to go before both houses to be changed, plus committee stages, for which there is no time.Then I'm afraid you're going to have to lawyer up and take legal action against the government if you feel very strongly about this, sticks, as we will not be leaving next Friday.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 05:59 PM
Very large turn out today, a few families with kids but mostly old people..all the young ones I saw were drinking heavily and trashing the streets..
On the way back from the March plenty middle aged snobs quaffing wine and food proudly showing thier yellow badges as the Romanian begger sat shivering, ignored on the street..or the old lady, preaching about God, being snarled at and mocked by the passers by.
But they care for Britain?
Load of **** they do...they care about the penny in thier pocket and **** all else.
what a hateful post
Then I'm afraid you're going to have to lawyer up and take legal action against the government if you feel very strongly about this, sticks, as we will not be leaving next Friday.
we will unless there is a vote in UK to support it. Like I said, the EU could set an extension hundreds of years in the future. Legally, they cant do that without our acceptance. The PM wanted to trigger article 50 on her own without parliament approval, and the courts said no. The same applies to extension.
Nicky91
23-03-2019, 06:02 PM
Then I'm afraid you're going to have to lawyer up and take legal action against the government if you feel very strongly about this, sticks, as we will not be leaving next Friday.
parliament to blame for this tbh, since they have rejected all those deals, rejected the no deal
with a divided parliament like that, you never can get a good brexit anyway
you need all sides to be on one line, and i doubt that will ever happen between parliament and your current PM May
Sticks
23-03-2019, 06:05 PM
Then I'm afraid you're going to have to lawyer up and take legal action against the government if you feel very strongly about this, sticks, as we will not be leaving next Friday.
I have no feelings here
Am just stating the UK legal default position as laid down in the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 06:06 PM
All you need to know about brexit that only trump and putin support it.
Sticks
23-03-2019, 06:07 PM
All you need to know about brexit that only trump and putin support it.
Is that not enough, if the most powerful men in the world support it, how can you not? :shocked:
what a hateful post
That is what I saw, I can only report on my own observations cause I ain't seen a tv all day.
The streets are a bloody mess..litter everywhere. I sat and watched them, just tossing it everywhere.
arista
23-03-2019, 06:21 PM
The streets are a bloody mess..litter everywhere. I sat and watched them, just tossing it everywhere.
Yes typical of the marches
arista
23-03-2019, 06:24 PM
All you need to know about brexit that only trump and putin support it.
That's just a by product.
The Worse Error
was David Cameron
dragging in the, then USA President
telling him what to say - Pathetic.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 06:28 PM
That is what I saw, I can only report on my own observations cause I ain't seen a tv all day.
what, people daring to drink wine? how posh :laugh:
look forward to hearing about all the smashed streets you mentioned
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 06:28 PM
That's just a by product.
The Worse Error
was David Cameron
dragging in the, then USA President
telling him what to say - Pathetic.
he didn't have to, those were Obama's views
he repeated them since a few times
arista
23-03-2019, 06:29 PM
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Twosugars
23-03-2019, 06:31 PM
Is that not enough, if the most powerful men in the world support it, how can you not? :shocked:
what a crook and a murderer?
one got to power by inciting hatred and intolerance and only bc of technicality (Hillary got 3 mln more votes)
another one got to power by being Yeltsin's pal and since then been clinging on to it by fear, intimidation and killing his critics
great endorsements
arista
23-03-2019, 06:32 PM
he didn't have to, those were Obama's views
he repeated them since a few times
USA says back of the Line
We say back of the Queue
https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-personally-requested-obamas-back-of-the-queue-brexit-warning-11423669
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 06:35 PM
estimated over a million people took part in the march today
people came in from as far as Scotland, also Brits living in Europe
looking forward to Farage matching that
Sticks
23-03-2019, 06:43 PM
what a crook and a murderer?
one got to power by inciting hatred and intolerance and only bc of technicality (Hillary got 3 mln more votes)
another one got to power by being Yeltsin's pal and since then been clinging on to it by fear, intimidation and killing his critics
great endorsements
Please see this definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire) :bored:
Traitors to the electorate.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 07:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/wVxFVfu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YOPQtS6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1nxk7Sf.jpg
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 07:25 PM
the marchers look like a nice cross-section of society, not just old people and drunk youth as Parm presented it
the marchers look like a nice cross-section of society, not just old people and drunk youth as Parm presented itThey look like Storm Troopers for the establishment.
I'm looking for the diversity in those pictures of the remoaners, and I don't see none.
It looks like 99% White, middle class, old people.
I bet Waitrose had a bad sales day.
what, people daring to drink wine? how posh :laugh:
look forward to hearing about all the smashed streets you mentioned
I said trashing not smashing...
the marchers look like a nice cross-section of society, not just old people and drunk youth as Parm presented it
Yes I can see the families I mentioned in those photos..sadly they had to inhale the waft of weed round every corner.
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 08:41 PM
I said trashing not smashing...
no mention on the news of trashing or smashing
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 08:42 PM
Yes I can see the families I mentioned in those photos..sadly they had to inhale the waft of weed round every corner.
Parm, you do smoke too much weed y'know
Twosugars
23-03-2019, 08:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xv8qYIG.jpg
pure class :)
reece(:
23-03-2019, 08:56 PM
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Twosugars
23-03-2019, 09:53 PM
In one of the biggest demonstrations in British history, a crowd estimated at over one million people yesterday marched peacefully through central London to demand that MPs grant them a fresh referendum on Brexit.
Yesterday a petition calling for article 50 to be revoked passed 4.5 million signatories, making it the most popular the government petitions website has ever hosted.
The petition is now at 4.5m
In one of the biggest demonstrations in British history, a crowd estimated at over one million people yesterday marched peacefully through central London to demand that MPs grant them a fresh referendum on Brexit.
Yesterday a petition calling for article 50 to be revoked passed 4.5 million signatories, making it the most popular the government petitions website has ever hosted.Just over 1m?
That's not even as big as the difference between the leave and remain vote in the referendum.
Just over 1m?
That's not even as big as the difference between the leave and remain vote in the referendum.
Police estimate 2 million so...yes it is.
All got coaches down to that London.
The Leavers are walking it from Sunderland, that's hardcore.
The petition is now at 4.5m13m to go.
You might get there in 20 years time.
All got coaches down to that London.
The Leavers are walking it from Sunderland, that's hardcore.
200 vs 2 million? Hardly hardcore.
200 vs 2 million? Hardly hardcore.Wait until Friday, when they'll all be at Westminster.
Strong rumours that Michael Gove will be Prime Minister within days.
Twosugars
24-03-2019, 12:02 AM
Strong rumours that Michael Gove will be Prime Minister within days.
Michael, even his mother calls him, Gove
Murdoch's lick arse
I think there's one reason and one reason only why May is still in number 10. Even the most power-hungry of politicians don't want to be Prime Minister with all this mess going on.. A general election would be fascinating right now.
Strong rumours that Michael Gove will be Prime Minister within days.
BBC suggesting David Lidington. Obviously it's in Chinese Whispers mode at the moment.
reece(:
24-03-2019, 12:53 AM
May has GOT to go, her robot nature is not for negotiation.
Police estimate 2 million so...yes it is.2 million though, as if.
I bet there wasn't even remotely close to 1 million.
Probably about 50 thousand, at the most.
The fake news era, alive and well.
2 million though, as if.
I bet there wasn't even remotely close to 1 million.
Probably about 50 thousand, at the most.
The fake news era, alive and well.
Though I’m sure if it had been the leave campaign boasting those numbers, there would have been no question about its validity?
May has GOT to go, her robot nature is not for negotiation.
You seen the replacement names though? Gove? HUNT? Yeesh.
:fist:Though I’m sure if it had been the leave campaign boasting those numbers, there would have been no question about its validity?They wouldn't have ever claimed such un realistic numbers.
reece(:
24-03-2019, 01:57 AM
You seen the replacement names though? Gove? HUNT? Yeesh.
all different strokes of terrible
The only tory I'd take is Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve or Amber Rudd at a stretch
:fist:They wouldn't have ever claimed such un realistic numbers.
Well no because the only pictures from the leave march show no more than a couple of hundred people trudging through the rain wearing protective clothing which was likely all made within the EU as opposed to the referendum march which required a helicopter to even come close to capturing the scope of the amount of people filling the streets of the biggest city in the UK.
Well no because the only pictures from the leave march show no more than a couple of hundred people trudging through the rain wearing protective clothing which was likely all made within the EU as opposed to the referendum march which required a helicopter to even come close to capturing the scope of the amount of people filling the streets of the biggest city in the UK.Have you seen the post on Twitter today, claiming to be a picture from todays march, which turned out to be a picture from the Queens jubilee in 2012?
Have you seen the post on Twitter today, claiming to be a picture from todays march, which turned out to be a picture from the Queens jubilee in 2012?
No. Did you see the video I described above clearly taken today of millions of people in the streets of the capital?
Think it's interesting that tories have said they will vote for May's deal if she stands down. This isn't about the person, this is about the agreement. If they can vote for the deal without her, they can vote for the deal with her at the helm.
We have too many distractions
Television
Hollywood
Netflix
You Tube
Twitter
Facebook
Junk food
Cigs
Booze
Football
Sky Sports
Ect
Ect
All of that is too much to sacrifice, which is why I doubt the people will revolt.
They'd have to take all that away from us first.
They all know this, which is why they don't care if they ignore us.
arista
24-03-2019, 08:06 AM
Think it's interesting that tories have said they will vote for May's deal if she stands down. This isn't about the person, this is about the agreement. If they can vote for the deal without her, they can vote for the deal with her at the helm.
Yes as those MP's
see her the leader that will not
sort out the next deal proper
after this treaty.
Parm, you do smoke too much weed y'know
Maybe so, but at leat I have the decency not to smoke it near children, unlike many many people on yesterday's March.
arista
24-03-2019, 08:11 AM
Strong rumours that Michael Gove will be Prime Minister within days.
No Alf
he would be Temporary Prime Minister
as they have to a internal Election,
after we leave
arista
24-03-2019, 08:12 AM
Maybe so, but at least I have the decency not to smoke it near children, unlike many many people on yesterday's March.
Yes Respect to you.
2 million though, as if.
I bet there wasn't even remotely close to 1 million.
Probably about 50 thousand, at the most.
The fake news era, alive and well.
I would say between 900 thousand and 1.1 million..to be fair it took me a good 25 minutes to walk past the gates on downing street..
I would say between 900 thousand and 1.1 million..to be fair it took me a good 25 minutes to walk past the gates on downing street..That's more than ten times the capacity of Wembley stadium.
That's more than ten times the capacity of Wembley stadium.
I walked about 6 miles yesterday coming in to trafalgar square from four different sides they were all rammed but nothing compared to the walk from the square down to westminster and across Westminster Bridge.
arista
24-03-2019, 08:32 AM
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https://youtu.be/KYLT3GVUSF0
This video shows the scale of it, there will be tourists and locals taking pictures of the litter mixed in with the marchers so it's up to everyone to make thier own minds up...if you see me don't count me, cause I was just out for a nose.
Unless she's replaced by a respected leaver such as Boris, Raab or Davis, then it makes no difference.
Stevieb
24-03-2019, 08:40 AM
Well no because the only pictures from the leave march show no more than a couple of hundred people trudging through the rain wearing protective clothing which was likely all made within the EU as opposed to the referendum march which required a helicopter to even come close to capturing the scope of the amount of people filling the streets of the biggest city in the UK.
Shouting the loudest is just desperation and won’t overturn a democratic vote. Leave won. Why would a demonstration of a million or 5 million overturn a vote of over 15 million. Some maths lessons might help.
what the cabinet don't seem to have worked out is that if her deputy is not put in her place if she is kicked out, then it is an illegitimate government, and MP's will force a general election.
what the cabinet don't seem to have worked out is that if her deputy is not put in her place if she is kicked out, then it is an illegitimate government, and MP's will force a general election.The possible outcome what we could end up with in a GE is much, much worse than what we have now, and what we have now is terrible.
user104658
24-03-2019, 09:33 AM
Shouting the loudest is just desperation and won’t overturn a democratic vote. Leave won. Why would a demonstration of a million or 5 million overturn a vote of over 15 million. Some maths lessons might help....
arista
24-03-2019, 09:42 AM
https://youtu.be/KYLT3GVUSF0
This video shows the scale of it, there will be tourists and locals taking pictures of the litter mixed in with the marchers so it's up to everyone to make thier own minds up...if you see me don't count me, cause I was just out for a nose.
Love the Top Comment
[Looks like one of those
Zombie movie "The March of the Undead "]
arista
24-03-2019, 09:46 AM
what the cabinet don't seem to have worked out is that if her deputy is not put in her place if she is kicked out, then it is an illegitimate government, and MP's will force a general election.
Yes
A General Election
would wipe out those 13 MP's
"indie group" that refuse to be a legit party
Bring it On
what the cabinet don't seem to have worked out is that if her deputy is not put in her place if she is kicked out, then it is an illegitimate government, and MP's will force a general election.
just checked on this and we don't have a deputy prime minister so then it falls to any senior cabinet member ... so it could be Gove :laugh: I bet Boris is kicking himself now :joker:
Underscore
24-03-2019, 10:03 AM
If May gets stabbed in the back one more time it will truly cement the tories as the party of snakes.
Underscore
24-03-2019, 10:04 AM
just checked on this and we don't have a deputy prime minister so then it falls to any senior cabinet member ... so it could be Gove :laugh: I bet Boris is kicking himself now :joker:
Jeremy (C)Hunt is a much better foreign sec than Boris ever was.
Love the Top Comment
[Looks like one of those
Zombie movie "The March of the Undead "]
It did feel like that at times I must admit.
Vicky.
24-03-2019, 10:44 AM
GOVE to replace May? Jesus, that would be horrendous.
Sick to the back teeth of hearing about Brexit tbh.
Underscore
24-03-2019, 11:11 AM
Gove screwed our education system and his plans weren't even fully fulfilled before he was replaced as he was too much of an electoral liability. God knows what'll happen to our education system if he becomes PM
arista
24-03-2019, 11:28 AM
Gove screwed our education system and his plans weren't even fully fulfilled before he was replaced as he was too much of an electoral liability. God knows what'll happen to our education system if he becomes PM
No he would be the Caretaker PM
while the Conservatives
Elect a new leader.
Making Labour wait until 2022
for a General Election could be the end result.
arista
24-03-2019, 11:33 AM
GOVE to replace May? Jesus, that would be horrendous.
Sick to the back teeth of hearing about Brexit tbh.
No . Not at all.
He would be the Temp. Caretaker
while they Elect a new Leader
Which must happen before 2022
as PM May confirmed (making her win her internal vote)
she will not lead
the Conservatives into any Next Election.
arista
24-03-2019, 12:06 PM
[No-deal Brexit
This final option would leave the UK with
no agreements in place for what
the future relationship will look like.
The country would be forced to make
its own arrangements with others
outside the European Union.
Sky News revealed on Thursday
that the armed forces have activated
a team in a nuclear-proof bunker
under the Ministry of Defence as
the government prepares for a potential no-deal Brexit.]
one of the 7 Options
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-the-seven-options-mps-could-vote-on-and-what-they-mean-11672852
Stevieb
24-03-2019, 12:23 PM
[No-deal Brexit
This final option would leave the UK with
no agreements in place for what
the future relationship will look like.
The country would be forced to make
its own arrangements with others
outside the European Union.
Sky News revealed on Thursday
that the armed forces have activated
a team in a nuclear-proof bunker
under the Ministry of Defence as
the government prepares for a potential no-deal Brexit.]
one of the 7 Options
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-the-seven-options-mps-could-vote-on-and-what-they-mean-11672852
They wouldn’t be forced into anything, Brexit is about independence and being free to trade with whoever they want to. Most of those spreading doom and gloom have no real clue why, just copying what they hear others say and getting the ‘right’ result for themselves.
Twosugars
24-03-2019, 12:25 PM
that bunker business is a tad ridiculous
gove :laugh3:
Twosugars
24-03-2019, 12:26 PM
They wouldn’t be forced into anything, Brexit is about independence and being free to trade with whoever they want to. Most of those spreading doom and gloom have no real clue why, just copying what they hear others say and getting the ‘right’ result for themselves.
Brillo, get your return agreed to by mods first, stop these endless new accounts.
Twosugars
24-03-2019, 02:48 PM
The petition hits 5 million!
reece(:
24-03-2019, 03:27 PM
'Cancel Brexit' petition woman receives death threats
The woman who started the record-breaking anti-Brexit petition says she is "shaking like a leaf" after receiving three death threats by phone.
Margaret Georgiadou, 77, began the Revoke Article 50 petition, which had topped four million signatures by Saturday morning.
She said she was "totally amazed" it had become the most popular petition submitted to the Parliament website.
But Mrs Georgiadou said the "horrible" phone calls left her scared and angry.
The retired lecturer says she has also received abuse via her Facebook account.
She said: "I feel terrible, I feel angry with myself because I thought I was tougher than that. But I was scared."
"I haven't even told my husband because he is very old and he would become hysterical."
Mrs Georgiadou said she created the petition to stop people "moaning" about how awful they thought Brexit was going to be.
It has broken the record for the biggest petition on the Parliament's website, previously held by another Brexit-related petition from 2016.
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Mrs Georgiadou said she wanted to get as many people as possible to sign it - but she wasn't hoping for a government response.
"Democracy is ruled by society for society, not the majority for the majority," she said.
"I want it to prove it is no longer the will of the people. It was three years ago but the government has become infamous for changing their mind - so why can't the people?
"People should ask themselves, who is it that wants Brexit? It will help Putin, it will help Trump… but will it help us? I doubt it," she continued.
Since the success of her petition, Mrs Georgiadou has faced criticism over posts she allegedly made on social media, using threatening language about the prime minister. She said she had no memory of the posts.
She said: "It must have been a cut and paste job. The dates were all wrong."
"My friends thought it was funny. They have made photos of me trying to hold up a rifle with my zimmer-frame... I don't own a zimmer-frame by the way - or a rifle."
Mrs Georgiadou says she cannot attend the march for another EU referendum in London on Saturday but would welcome tributes from the demonstrators.
"I want them to sing a song for me, 'March on, march on, with hope in your heart and you'll never walk alone'."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47678275
utter SCUMBAGS sending a 77 year old woman death threats!
utter SCUMBAGS sending a 77 year old woman death threats!
Alf and Arista’s phone records being studied as we speak?
user104658
24-03-2019, 03:44 PM
Brillo, get your return agreed to by mods first, stop these endless new accounts.What is a Brillo? I'm sure that no one knows what you mean 2S! Leave poor new member Stevie alone :nono:.
arista
24-03-2019, 04:33 PM
Alf and Arista’s phone records being studied as we speak?
Pathetic post
arista
24-03-2019, 04:35 PM
What is a Brillo? I'm sure that no one knows what you mean 2S! Leave poor new member Stevie alone :nono:.
Brillo Pad
was a busy poster
but did wrong
and got Banned
arista
24-03-2019, 04:47 PM
utter SCUMBAGS sending a 77 year old woman death threats!
What about the loads of MP's getting Death Threats?
in EVERY Party
and the indie group (who refuse to be Legit Political Party)
arista
24-03-2019, 04:55 PM
PM May gathers ministers and MPs for Chequers Crisis talks
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-gathers-ministers-and-mps-for-chequers-crisis-talks-amid-cabinet-coup-11674097
The DUP confirmed
they will not vote for her deal , again.
Sticks
24-03-2019, 06:09 PM
I feel a song coming on - Again!
Twosugars
24-03-2019, 08:15 PM
What about the loads of MP's getting Death Threats?
in EVERY Party
and the indie group (who refuse to be Legit Political Party)
really? who says?
Death threats come from frustrated rightwingers.
The same as calling remainers traitors, enemies of the people and unpatriotic.
That's what happens when you run out of sensible arguments
The woman who started that petition had herself wished death on Theresa May before and said that Andrea Leadsom should be put down..
The woman who started that petition had herself wished death on Theresa May before and said that Andrea Leadsom should be put down..
Crazy times for sure
All the remainers had to do was win the referendum.
We wouldn't even be talking about it today, if that had happened.
There's only one side that has caused the division in this country, and that's the side that lost, but just wouldn't accept it.
All the remainers had to do was win the referendum.
We wouldn't even be talking about it today, if that had happened.
There's only one side that has caused the division in this country, and that's the side that lost, but just wouldn't accept it.
OR the ones that are absolutely horrified by the results because the mess they predicted is now happening?
Plus this whole thing about the 17 Million being the will of the British people is utter bollocks.
Leave: 17,410,742
Remain: 16,141,241
That's a difference of around 1.2m...which is the average ratings that an episode of Celebrity Big Brother was getting. Y'know, that show that got cancelled because of low ratings?
Also
Couldn't vote: 18,60470
Didn't vote: 12,949.258
And those last two numbers would DRASTICALLY change in the event of another referendum.
17,410,742 voted to leave. 47,694,969 didn't. That isn't the will of the British people.
Smithy
24-03-2019, 11:41 PM
As if 1.2 million people who voted leave haven’t either died or changed their mind following the **** show that has been the last 3 years
Plus this whole thing about the 17 Million being the will of the British people is utter bollocks.
Leave: 17,410,742
Remain: 16,141,241
That's a difference of around 1.2m...which is the average ratings that an episode of Celebrity Big Brother was getting. Y'know, that show that got cancelled because of low ratings?
Also
Couldn't vote: 18,60470
Didn't vote: 12,949.258
And those last two numbers would DRASTICALLY change in the event of another referendum.
17,410,742 voted to leave. 47,694,969 didn't. That isn't the will of the British people.See what I'm saying?
Just will not accept.
Twosugars
25-03-2019, 12:01 AM
See what I'm saying?
Just will not accept.
https://i.imgur.com/oDP1Tzl.gif
reece(:
25-03-2019, 12:23 AM
As if 1.2 million people who voted leave haven’t either died or changed their mind following the **** show that has been the last 3 years
My mum changed ha mind
See what I'm saying?
Just will not accept.
Won’t accept what? The evidence is staring you in the face. Leavers being too pig headed to face facts is what has left us in this mess.
Won’t accept what? The evidence is staring you in the face. Leavers being too pig headed to face facts is what has left us in this mess.What facts are we talking about that are staring at me?
The only facts that I can see is, that the people of the United Kingdom want to leave The European Union. We were asked the question and we gave them our answer.
Are you with or against the people of the United Kingdom?
joeysteele
25-03-2019, 08:54 AM
My mum changed ha mind
Its not scientific but I find its the leave voters I know who have changed minds too.
I voted remain, and no one as yet who I know who also did have changed their minds.
Although a great number more people I have conversed with on the EU, did vote leave so more to change their minds there.
In my own family and I had to chuckle at this.
A Cousin and his family of 7 all voted to leave.
When I asked them would they be opposed to a customs union arrangement still however.
4 of them asked what's a customs union.
We only voted fancying a change???
In my own family, there are now around 20 who voted leave, who now wouldn't either vote again in a referendum or would now vote remain.
A fair number would change as to friends and just contacts too.
If I'd known many more who voted remain, maybe I'd find remain votes changing too but thus far, no one I know of of my contacts, who voted remain would now not still vote that way
i voted remain, but I am conflicted now if I were to have the vote again. I feel like the country will not be able to reconcile unless we leave and if that means with a no deal, so be it.
The Slim Reaper
25-03-2019, 10:45 AM
i voted remain, but I am conflicted now if I were to have the vote again. I feel like the country will not be able to reconcile unless we leave and if that means with a no deal, so be it.
You think that the economic pain of a bad deal brexit based on lies and illegality will reconcile the country?
Am I correct on saying that if may resigned then the MPs will pass her exit deal?
Wizard.
25-03-2019, 12:13 PM
Plenty of people who voted Remain have either died or changed their mind too rofl stop being so bias because it suits your narrative.
a lot of folk who voted remain will vote leave now on the basis that its asking the question again to one that was already answered. I don't think it will be anything other than a split vote, and it won't achieve anything
Nicky91
25-03-2019, 12:20 PM
a lot of folk who voted remain will vote leave now on the basis that its asking the question again to one that was already answered. I don't think it will be anything other than a split vote, and it won't achieve anything
based on that protest march in london, i can think of people now being completely sick of this whole brexit mess tbh
Sticks
25-03-2019, 12:44 PM
How about a clean break
No Deal, Hard Brexit, the most likely outcome as of this morning
Nicky91
25-03-2019, 12:45 PM
4 more days till the no deal brexit happens
arista
25-03-2019, 02:48 PM
How about a clean break
No Deal, Hard Brexit, the most likely outcome as of this morning
3:30PM
more Votes in Parliament Today
once Speaker Bercow picks them
arista
25-03-2019, 02:52 PM
4 more days till the no deal brexit happens
No its the 12 April Friday
now
arista
25-03-2019, 03:34 PM
The PM is Live in Parliament Now
all media
she confirmed
Insufficient support for her Third Vote
Corbyn spilling some tea about MPs from ALL parties receiving threats.
reece(:
25-03-2019, 03:58 PM
May gloating over amendments being rejected after she's blackmailed and whipped her MPs to vote a specific way
Free votes would STOP this corruption
Tom4784
25-03-2019, 04:03 PM
Leavers are crazy, they're sending death threats to everyone because they think their idea of what they want Brexit to be is universal when in fact, they are a many headed hydra that all want different versions of the same thing and they act on that entitlement through abuse and death threats of anyone that thinks differently.
arista
25-03-2019, 05:15 PM
The PM Confirmed
she will not have to follow
any new amendments.
She has maintained today
her one Treaty Deal is the only choice
and she will only bring it to parliament
if she has enough votes.
She also stated she will
not do a No Deal?
arista
25-03-2019, 05:20 PM
Leavers are crazy, they're sending death threats to everyone because they think their idea of what they want Brexit to be is universal when in fact, they are a many headed hydra that all want different versions of the same thing and they act on that entitlement through abuse and death threats of anyone that thinks differently.
Dezzy please add one word at the start "Some"
Many that voted Leave are professionals
that never send threats.
Some who vote leave are unemployed
and spend their time doing wrong
Also many who voted remain are unemployed
who spend their time doing wrong.
Twosugars
25-03-2019, 05:50 PM
The PM Confirmed
she will not have to follow
any new amendments.
She has maintained today
her one Treaty Deal is the only choice
and she will only bring it to parliament
if she has enough votes.
She also stated she will
not do a No Deal?
she needs to be removed
arista
25-03-2019, 05:56 PM
she needs to be removed
Yes but appears no one can do that
at this time.
She spoke today
but strangely
it was like last December
the same replys
hijaxers
25-03-2019, 07:15 PM
Dezzy please add one word at the start "Some"
Many that voted Leave are professionals
that never send threats.
Some who vote leave are unemployed
and spend their time doing wrong
Also many who voted remain are unemployed
who spend their time doing wrong.
Sky news has become completely unwatchable today with that loud mouth bastard drowning everyone out ! sorry but i wish bad things on him like his tongue shrivels up and dies, he's been a pain for way too long, bloody foghorn.
arista
25-03-2019, 07:23 PM
Sky news has become completely unwatchable today with that loud mouth bastard drowning everyone out ! sorry but i wish bad things on him like his tongue shrivels up and dies, he's been a pain for way too long, bloody foghorn.
Yes and BBCnewsHD
Steve with the Fog Horn
is trouble
Dezzy please add one word at the start "Some"
Many that voted Leave are professionals
that never send threats.
Some who vote leave are unemployed
and spend their time doing wrong
Also many who voted remain are unemployed
who spend their time doing wrong.
Can I borrow that top line for my sig?
arista
25-03-2019, 08:44 PM
Can I borrow that top line for my sig?
sure
arista
25-03-2019, 09:46 PM
The PM back on her way to Parliament
As the Votes come in.
reece(:
25-03-2019, 09:59 PM
Labour have pulled out on their amendment? :skull:
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:00 PM
The business minister has resigned
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:01 PM
the business minister has resigned
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arista
25-03-2019, 10:01 PM
Richard Harrington, the business minister has resigned.
arista
25-03-2019, 10:01 PM
The business minister has resigned
another one bites the dust
The business minister has resigned
The business manager has finally realised he has squeezed every last pound out his wages....now he's running....**** him...coward.
arista
25-03-2019, 10:13 PM
First Amendment A
Letwin , Conservative.
To allow MP's to take control this Wednesday.
Yes 329
No 302
If that bell wasn't ringing away...I'd bang her.
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:16 PM
Letwin amendment passed :clap1:
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:23 PM
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reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:24 PM
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joeysteele
25-03-2019, 10:30 PM
Theresa May was really terrible today in Parliament.
Unbelievably evasive and really bad to see such a performance as she gave.
arista
25-03-2019, 10:33 PM
Amendment F moved by Dame Beckett, Labour
Vote between leaving with No Deal
or another extension of Article 50.
Yes: 311
No : 314
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:34 PM
Theresa May was really terrible today in Parliament.
Unbelievably evasive and really bad to see such a performance as she gave.
Nothing different to the norm joey, trying to blackmail and use forceful tactics to get people behind her deal.. the usual sound bites and stubbornness, frankly reckless behaviour from the worst PM I've witnessed
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:45 PM
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arista
25-03-2019, 10:47 PM
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/UNrClDsUCPLhdQ5q5gKl5w/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/iHQoOSuOSvOBHNPE7akl_Tory%20rebels.JPG
arista
25-03-2019, 10:49 PM
Yes :327
No:300
Another motion
reece(:
25-03-2019, 10:53 PM
The outrage at the speaker :skull:
Screaming at Bercow throwing out shade
I can see a GE coming after this week. Let the people decide that way. Noone can say thats undemocratic, and voters will decide who they want to represent them based on their behaviour in parliament.
arista
26-03-2019, 07:19 AM
I can see a GE coming after this week. Let the people decide that way. Noone can say thats undemocratic, and voters will decide who they want to represent them based on their behaviour in parliament.
Yes the only way to sort it.
Concluded also on GMBHD itv
Vicky.
26-03-2019, 07:37 AM
I can see a GE coming after this week. Let the people decide that way. Noone can say thats undemocratic, and voters will decide who they want to represent them based on their behaviour in parliament.
I ****ing hope not, as while I think May is ridiculous and such an inefective leader, I could not vote for Labour in its current state either. I would either have to abstain or vote holding my nose.
An election would be fascinating at the moment.
Northern Monkey
26-03-2019, 01:50 PM
A quote i heard today
“Parliament has taken control to reassert it’s own form of chaos”
Meaning these indicative votes probably won’t solve anything and will possibly create more confusion.
Hopefully the one good thing that will come out of it is that it makes the dumbasses in our Parliament realise that the only sensible option is Mays crappy withdrawal agreement.
Interesting point is that the results of these votes very much depend on what order they are put to parliament in.
Say leaving without a deal is voted for first and is rejected, that means that all the MPs who want to leave without a deal still have to vote on the other options going forwards meaning they may have to go for what they consider to be the next best option.
Then, regardless on that, there’s no promise from May that she’ll implement whatever is voted for anyway.
arista
26-03-2019, 02:31 PM
An election would be fascinating at the moment.
Yes 13 indie MP's
refusing to be a proper party
They lose their seats fast
I can’t believe for a second the public would look at what has been happening the past 3 years and keep the tories in power. Might be interesting to see if the Lib Dem’s could take advantage of the situation and step up to the plate again.
The Slim Reaper
26-03-2019, 02:57 PM
I can’t believe for a second the public would look at what has been happening the past 3 years and keep the tories in power. Might be interesting to see if the Lib Dem’s could take advantage of the situation and step up to the plate again.
Never underestimate the willingness of people to vote against their own interests.
Never underestimate the willingness of people to vote against their own interests.
Is anybody after this mess and America voting for Trump? :laugh:
AnnieK
26-03-2019, 03:13 PM
If they had any leader but the current one, if a GE was called I would imagine Labour would win with a landslide, but Corbyn is such a devise leader a lot of people I know who are life long Labour voters wouldn't vote for them now.
arista
26-03-2019, 03:18 PM
If they had any leader but the current one, if a GE was called I would imagine Labour would win with a landslide, but Corbyn is such a devise leader a lot of people I know who are life long Labour voters wouldn't vote for them now.
Half the Country?
AnnieK
26-03-2019, 03:20 PM
Half the Country?
I have no idea Arista, I made it clear from my post I was talking of my personal experiences that's all.
arista
26-03-2019, 03:24 PM
I have no idea Arista, I made it clear from my post I was talking of my personal experiences that's all.
They will get the younger votes
so it may be "because of that amount"
Labour could win
Twosugars
26-03-2019, 03:35 PM
I believe Labour would win bc they plan to promise a second ref in their manifesto. Many would disregard Corbyn and vote for that, even some tories.
Jack_
26-03-2019, 03:39 PM
I’m basically looking for any option that facilitates a general election, but I think there could be a real chance that we end up with another hung parliament in which the parliamentary arithmetic is even more deadlocked. I think Labour would end up as the largest party, but what if the numbers were Labour 270, Tories 260? It’d be a nightmare :omgno:
Twosugars
26-03-2019, 03:40 PM
tbh this country is ****ed to be cursed with such poor leaders at this time
I’m basically looking for any option that facilitates a general election, but I think there could be a real chance that we end up with another hung parliament in which the parliamentary arithmetic is even more deadlocked. I think Labour would end up as the largest party, but what if the numbers were Labour 270, Tories 260? It’d be a nightmare :omgno:
I would be stunned if the tories managed that many votes. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost by the same or even more as they did when Blair first came into power.
arista
26-03-2019, 03:48 PM
I believe Labour would win bc they plan to promise a second ref in their manifesto. Many would disregard Corbyn and vote for that, even some tories.
STOP this vile editing
bc = Because
STOP this vile editing
bc = Because
How about you learn how to use the return key properly before you start critiquing others for their grammar?
Mokka
26-03-2019, 03:55 PM
STOP this vile editing
bc = Because
Life in the fast Lane... no time to type out completed words or sentences... you should understand that more than most arista
Jack_
26-03-2019, 04:02 PM
I would be stunned if the tories managed that many votes. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost by the same or even more as they did when Blair first came into power.
I think if we leave without a deal and give it six months for the chaos to have really set in then you’d be right (and we could spend the next decade blaming them for trashing the economy, just like they did to Labour!), but any other scenario and I’m not yet convinced. The Tories always have a really horrible way of worming their way out of difficult situations as well, there’s a reason they’re the most successful political party in history. Self preservation at all costs. I just hope more of the electorate are waking up to the fact that the last three years have been all about their party with no concern for the country whatsoever.
I’m also really worried about Labour moving to back a second referendum. I know most people don’t agree with this but for the most part I think they’ve played a blinder on Brexit, they’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place of striking the right balance between its remain-leaning membership and parliamentary party, and its leave-leaning voters (primarily in northern working class areas which they really needed to win back). The number one rule in politics is don’t interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake, and that’s exactly what they’ve done.
Unfortunately the time was always going to come where they’re going to have to pick a side and roll with it, and I’m concerned that reneging on their promise to honour the referendum result isn’t going to play well with the voters who returned to Labour from UKIP. They can stockpile votes in urban remain areas all they like, but without them as well they’re not going to form a government.
It’s certainly interesting! And frankly I’m glad it’s all coming to a head, but I’m not sure where we proceed from here. Surely this government has to fall soon though? Her authority is in tatters.
Twosugars
26-03-2019, 04:07 PM
STOP this vile editing
bc = Because
Bite me Arista
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=487&pictureid=3608
I think if we leave without a deal and give it six months for the chaos to have really set in then you’d be right (and we could spend the next decade blaming them for trashing the economy, just like they did to Labour!), but any other scenario and I’m not yet convinced. The Tories always have a really horrible way of worming their way out of difficult situations as well, there’s a reason they’re the most successful political party in history. Self preservation at all costs. I just hope more of the electorate are waking up to the fact that the last three years have been all about their party with no concern for the country whatsoever.
I’m also really worried about Labour moving to back a second referendum. I know most people don’t agree with this but for the most part I think they’ve played a blinder on Brexit, they’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place of striking the right balance between its remain-leaning membership and parliamentary party, and its leave-leaning voters (primarily in northern working class areas which they really needed to win back). The number one rule in politics is don’t interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake, and that’s exactly what they’ve done.
Unfortunately the time was always going to come where they’re going to have to pick a side and roll with it, and I’m concerned that reneging on their promise to honour the referendum result isn’t going to play well with the voters who returned to Labour from UKIP. They can stockpile votes in urban remain areas all they like, but without them as well they’re not going to form a government.
It’s certainly interesting! And frankly I’m glad it’s all coming to a head, but I’m not sure where we proceed from here. Surely this government has to fall soon though? Her authority is in tatters.
I mean I agree to an extent, but May has performed the incredible feat of pissing off both hardcore leavers and hardcore remainers by not listening to anybody highlighting the almost Shakesperian backstabbing that has been going on in the Conservative party for generations. That isn’t appealing to the public. Hardcore leavers are few and far between in the Labour Party (apparently about ten of them are up for leaving without a deal) and it’s also why I think this is the Lib Dem’s best hope of resurrecting themselves as a serious political opponent after they destroyed themselves during the coillition with the Tories. They’ve always made their manifesto to be the opposite to the conservatives. Whether they take advantage of that or not remains to be seen.
Either way, Labour are surely a shoe in for victory. The hilarious thing is the aggro the DUP are now giving May. Bet she’s loving having them on board now.
Twosugars
26-03-2019, 04:16 PM
DUP says one year delay better than May's deal
her deal's dead then
reece(:
26-03-2019, 04:24 PM
DUP says one year delay better than May's deal
her deal's dead then
She should’ve let it rot weeks ago
Sticks
26-03-2019, 04:52 PM
The most probable scenario at the bookies according to Radio 4 is No Deal Hard Brexit by default.
arista
26-03-2019, 04:54 PM
How about you learn how to use the return key properly before you start critiquing others for their grammar?
Grammar?
He is a Dirty Cheat
bc is not a word
The most probable scenario at the bookies according to Radio 4 is No Deal Hard Brexit by default.
Oh well if the bookies say it...!
arista
26-03-2019, 04:59 PM
The most probable scenario at the bookies according to Radio 4 is No Deal Hard Brexit by default.
But that's assuming no deal is reached
are you saying before April 12th
she can not get any deal through?
user104658
26-03-2019, 05:01 PM
The most probable scenario at the bookies according to Radio 4 is No Deal Hard Brexit by default.
Remain was 1/5
Leave was 5/1
Hillary Clinton was 1/5
Trump was 5/1 (£50 bet bought my PS4 Pro :hee: )
Labour were favourites for the GE in 2008, we got the ConDem coalition govt.
Increased Tory majority was favourite for GE in 2017, they ended up in a piss weak minority propped up by the DUP.
Bookies are **** at politics.
Twosugars
26-03-2019, 05:04 PM
Grammar?
He is a Dirty Cheat
bc is not a word
bully :fist:
arista
26-03-2019, 05:08 PM
bully :fist:
No
You must be corrected
Stop Cheating
Because You Are better Than That
Twosugars
26-03-2019, 05:11 PM
oh daddy, correct me, correct me long and hard :drool:
Sticks
26-03-2019, 05:24 PM
The EU sanctioned only May's deal, none of the others. There is no other deal on the table acceptable to the EU.
Parliament rejected May's deal twice and will never ever pass it, courtesy of the real leaders of the Government, the DUP.
Ergo:
We're Leaving without a deal
We're Leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
We're Leaving without a deal
arista
26-03-2019, 06:17 PM
1110600398686117890
yes!
No The PM can ignore Weds votes
she confirmed that yesterday
No The PM can ignore Weds votes
she confirmed that yesterday
It’s literally the most sensible option they’ve come up with since this ****show started. Why would anybody want to throw the country into financial uncertainty just because the government is useless and can’t make a decision?
user104658
26-03-2019, 06:46 PM
It’s literally the most sensible option they’ve come up with since this ****show started. Why would anybody want to throw the country into financial uncertainty just because the government is useless and can’t make a decision?Some people consider "no deal" to be the defiant option and would probably advocate for it over ANY deal, because they're fundamentally stupid and believe the country can be self sufficient and doesn't need deals. Essentially they WANT no deal because they think that's the "super extra brexitty" Brexit option and don't realise what it would actually mean.
Some people consider "no deal" to be the defiant option and would probably advocate for it over ANY deal, because they're fundamentally stupid and believe the country can be self sufficient and doesn't need deals. Essentially they WANT no deal because they think that's the "super extra brexitty" Brexit option and don't realise what it would actually mean.Tell us what it would actually mean. In full detail please, seeing as you're not stupid.
Tell us what it would actually mean. In full detail please, seeing as you're not stupid.
Likewise.
arista
26-03-2019, 06:53 PM
It’s literally the most sensible option they’ve come up with since this ****show started. Why would anybody want to throw the country into financial uncertainty just because the government is useless and can’t make a decision?
Its a Reset.
arista
26-03-2019, 06:55 PM
Some people consider "no deal" to be the defiant option and would probably advocate for it over ANY deal, because they're fundamentally stupid and believe the country can be self sufficient and doesn't need deals. Essentially they WANT no deal because they think that's the "super extra brexitty" Brexit option and don't realise what it would actually mean.
Yes "Some" want that
but the PM confirmed yesterday
"No Deal"
is no longer on the table.
It is Her Treaty Deal or No Brexit at all
some people want to break all relationships with the EU, ie no deal, and that is a perfectly acceptable political position to take. Yes, it may cause some discomfort to the country for a few decades, but to them its worth it. I personally would prefer that to some half arsed connection with the eu, although my ideal would be the status quo
Likewise.How can I? We've already established that I'm stupid.
How can I? We've already established that I'm stupid.
Prove otherwise then.
Why is it such a good idea for the UK to leave without a deal?
arista
26-03-2019, 07:07 PM
Even Jacob Rees-Mogg
is now going to back the only deal
her treaty deal.
In a tweet.
Even Jacob Rees-Mogg
is now going to back the only deal
her treaty deal.
In a tweet.
they still need some of labour or the DUP to get it passed though
arista
26-03-2019, 07:15 PM
they still need some of labour or the DUP to get it passed though
Yes hence she could try this next week
I think they have around 4 Labour MP's
and a couple DUP
so far.
arista
26-03-2019, 07:17 PM
Labour Party
are trying get the Votes on Weds
ALSO to be on Monday.
Bercow is a trouble maker
if he allows that.
Debate on Ch4HD news Live in Westminster
arista
27-03-2019, 06:49 AM
Reports are saying The PM will
give a date of her resigning
to try to, get her treaty - deal through
https://news.sky.com/story/the-shape-of-brexit-and-mrs-mays-job-are-on-the-line-11676174
the 3 petitions that triggered a debate will be discussed on Monday, that should be a good waste of time.
arista
27-03-2019, 10:34 AM
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Nicky91
27-03-2019, 10:46 AM
if Parliament has so called ''more power over brexit'' now, why don't they come up with a deal themselves, their own terms and conditions which they and EU and everyone can agree with
since they voted away May's deal every single time, makes me wonder if they themselves can come up with a better deal then
user104658
27-03-2019, 11:27 AM
Tell us what it would actually mean. In full detail please, seeing as you're not stupid.Short term chaos and then serious, permanent damage to the UK economy.
arista
27-03-2019, 11:29 AM
Short term chaos and then serious, permanent damage to the UK economy.
We will get over the Damage.
There's a battle outside, and it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a changin'
Northern Monkey
27-03-2019, 11:40 AM
if Parliament has so called ''more power over brexit'' now, why don't they come up with a deal themselves, their own terms and conditions which they and EU and everyone can agree with
since they voted away May's deal every single time, makes me wonder if they themselves can come up with a better deal then
Our Parliament knows what it doesn’t want(Brexit).
Only it struggles to tell us what it actually does want.
Useless.
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