The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[arista]

He's a twat, Arista. A worthless twat that has nothing to add but bull**** that appeals only to the gullible.

Farage is a worthless human being.



OK

But Now a Newsnight Reporter BBC2HD
reports a Deal is could be going ahead
BBCnewsHD,


Saying the same as Farage

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

generate 4 billion? for whom, the super rich

only reason brexit was created was because the elite have this neverending and unnecessary hatred towards the EU


post-brexit i will continue to share my support for everyone in britain who is gonna suffer from this no deal, also makes me sad how unemployement rate in britain is gonna rise either

and no i am not 'fearmongering' i am just being honest and i am worried for british middle-class, and i also worry for already bad relations between Ireland/Northern Ireland, could possibly get a bit worse as well


and yes i finally know what brexit is about, it is a trade thing

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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[arista]

but could be recalled 'as early as next week' to approve trade deal

The move suggests Number 10 does not
see a breakthrough on an EU-UK trade agreement
being reached this week.]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-mps-sent-home-for-christmas-but-could-be-recalled-as-early-as-next-week-to-approve-trade-deal-12164568

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

EU won't do that, we will just let you guys suffer and rot in a no deal hell

[arista]

EU won't do that, we will just let you guys suffer and rot in a no deal hell


Yes the EU have stated it must be solved in hours?

The UK feels it has until the last day of Dec.,

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

What control looks like.

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[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFH7A0Lv-s


The PM today
smirking
at a Broadband zone BT

[Nicky91]

NoDealBrexit is what the brexiteers want, well then that disaster is what they'll get (their own karma)

don't give in EU pls to these crybabies

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

and the slow death of the United Kingdom begins

[Nicky91]

and the slow death of the United Kingdom begins

well no, the brexiteers will still speak of this as fearmongering

you guys are an empire after all

[joeysteele]

and the slow death of the United Kingdom begins

I do think you're right there.

I think more and more of the next generation of voters in N Ireland, will start to think of unification with the Republic.

I mean people talk of Scotland voting heavily to remain.
Well the people of N Ireland voted by a double figure majority too wanting to remain
The DUP no longer really reoresent those people.

Scotland has several issues, which is growing the move for independence more firmly now.
Unlike N Ireland, the SNP has no natural alliance to other UK Parties.
Whereas the DUP of N Ireland are always identified with the Cons.

This means Scots voting, firstly are dismissed with their strong remain EU vote.
However they cannot get any government they want in the UK parliament now.
Being stuck with extreme, dismissive and arrogant Con governments, or Con/ DUP extreme ones.

No more UK, no more Great Britain, were independence movements to grow and succeed then.
I feel more than ever before, independence could come now definitely.
Johnson and his extreme Cons can huff and puff all he likes but he cannot be allowed to and shouldn't be either, to keep Scotland like a hostage in the UK.

The SNP are sitting with a ton of Labour former votes in their support now.
Voters in Scotland now know that in England, particularly the far South, the bastion of Con voters will always not act in Scotland's interests.
They'll also be always able to dictate to all Nations of the UK too.

So there are possibly bigger constitutional and worrying issues to arise not only as to the economic side of the UK now from this brexit..
While the extreme brexiteer MPs, in the Con Party, plus their supporters get their way, who only want brexit not caring about any of the consequences of the UK.

Then those other consequences possible, or now even more probable, will only gain more and more strength.
In my view.

[arista]

and the slow death of the United Kingdom begins


Never Give Up.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

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good news on course to the no deal, cannot wait for the exciting news of businesses in britain going under thx to this clever thing called no deal brexit

[Nicky91]

i wonder how many are gonna start illegal brexit party's, 31st of december

despite the irrelevant lockdown


come on party and celebrate this historic amazing no deal brexit :cheer:

[joeysteele]

Here's another self imposed mess and chaos being played out now too.

Unbelievable.

[Nicky91]

i'm not scared of no deal brexit, 25% less fish

i mean fish stinks honestly, so lesser fish is fine by me

[Cherie]

i'm not scared of no deal brexit, 25% less fish

i mean fish stinks honestly, so lesser fish is fine by me

:laugh: thats the spirit Nicky

[The Slim Reaper]

France and the EU closing their borders to us, is a great reminder of the lie that we needed to leave the EU for us to control our own borders.. We always had the power.

[arista]

France and the EU closing their borders to us, is a great reminder of the lie that we needed to leave the EU for us to control our own borders.. We always had the power.


Yes a Temp Closure due to Covid-19 Mutant


But good news France
will soon open its borders

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes a Temp Closure due to Covid-19 Mutant


But good news France
will soon open its borders

So EU countries can control their borders?

[reece(:]

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[bots]

labour have taken a new political position on everything and even hold several opposing positions at the same time on covid and the EU. Our politics is a complete mess :laugh:

[arista]

[Brexit: Signs emerge a trade deal with the EU
is still possible as Michel Barnier set
to brief ambassadors
After a flurry of loud no-deal warnings,
the two sides' leaders have largely gone
quiet as the end of the transition period looms.]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-signs-emerge-a-trade-deal-with-the-eu-is-still-possible-as-michel-barnier-set-to-brief-ambassadors-12170050

[Nicky91]

9 days until the no deal bre**** disaster for stupid britain, and our celebrations we got rid of those trolls

i'd say no more holidays in europe for british people, barbed wire fences around the UK, and EU military gun boats patrolling the waters

[arista]

9 days until the no deal bre**** disaster for stupid britain, and our celebrations we got rid of those trolls

i'd say no more holidays in europe for british people, barbed wire fences around the UK, and EU military gun boats patrolling the waters


Do not call us stupid
we do not call your small nation , stupid.

[arista]

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Thats Fair Enough
he is well aware of the Labour Voters that want out of the EU.
Some of those Labour Voters changed to Conservative
at the 2019 Dec., Election.

[Cherie]

Do not call us stupid
we do not call your small nation , stupid.

:joker:

[Kizzy]

9 days until the no deal bre**** disaster for stupid britain, and our celebrations we got rid of those trolls

i'd say no more holidays in europe for british people, barbed wire fences around the UK, and EU military gun boats patrolling the waters

With an attitude like that I think you would make a very good UK citizen...you have the the right mindset alright.

[Withano]

Do not call us stupid
we do not call your small nation , stupid.

If the last 5 years are anything to go by, Britain is considerably more stupid than the rest of the earth

[bots]

if anything, this little covid closure gives everyone an idea of what we face with a no deal, so if we continue to moan about fishing we deserve all we get

[arista]

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If some
of the Conservatives try to block the trade deal
the Labour can save the deal.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Hopeful news possibly to come today.
At last.

[Nicky91]

Boris stand your ground and refuse this deal


no deal is best for UK, to get them into a huge disaster what they deserve

[bots]

Nicky, sometimes its best not to comment

[Scarlett.]

Boris stand your ground and refuse this deal


no deal is best for UK, to get them into a huge disaster what they deserve

Oh yeah we all deserve even more poverty and death cause 52% of the voters on that day didnt know their head from their ass

[Nicky91]

Nicky, sometimes its best not to comment

why should you guys suddenly accept a deal from the corrupt stinking EU

[arista]

Hopeful news possibly to come today.
At last.


Yes and if the Conservative back benchers
give trouble.

Labour can approve it.

[Ammi]

Hopeful news possibly to come today.
At last.

...the optimistic...


Boris stand your ground and refuse this deal


no deal is best for UK, to get them into a huge disaster what they deserve





...and the not so much...


...I’m with Joey....

[arista]

Yes if the PM & EU Leader announce it
Parliament returns next week
to go through it.


Even Politics Live could return (with a Male presenter)
on BBC2HD to go through it.
from 11:30AM

[joeysteele]

Yes and if the Conservative back benchers
give trouble.

Labour can approve it.


Indeed.
Which I hope will be the case and I believe Labour will.

After all, this will not just be a deal that's acceptable to the UK but also to the EU.
Being agreed at last.

The unity of Europe in any way, is far more a vital element than any further division.

[Nicky91]

Indeed.
Which I hope will be the case and I believe Labour will.

After all, this will not just be a deal that's acceptable to the UK but also to the EU.
Being agreed at last.

The unity of Europe in any way, is far more a vital element than any further division.

far from unity in europe

France - Italy do not get on well

Hungary, Poland are also being very difficult


the only ones who are loyal followers are cowards like Belgium, Netherlands

[arista]

Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney
Post-Brexit Trade deal to be agreed today.



SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

It was bound to happen when they both sides kept extending the absolute deadline

[joeysteele]

far from unity in europe

France - Italy do not get on well

Hungary, Poland are also being very difficult


the only ones who are loyal followers are cowards like Belgium, Netherlands

I said unity in any way, not all ways.
You will never have that but anything that keeps ties in place is a positive.

[arista]

far from unity in europe

France - Italy do not get on well

Hungary, Poland are also being very difficult


the only ones who are loyal followers are cowards like Belgium, Netherlands


Nicky that's not Our Problem, now
we are getting out with a Deal
agreed on the last weeks.

[arista]

MP's to be recalled on 30 December Wednesday

[Captain.Remy]

Regardless of what happened and is happening right now, I think it's a sad situation to see our great friends from UK leave EU.
I have a special connection with this country, it inspired me and welcomed me and made me who I am today, and I know that so many people will always consider the UK as part of that dysfunctional family. :love:

Choices have been made, they must go through but it's not a happy day even for pro-Brexit people I feel like. It's a sad situation for all.

[Ammi]

Regardless of what happened and is happening right now, I think it's a sad situation to see our great friends from UK leave EU.
I have a special connection with this country, it inspired me and welcomed me and made me who I am today, and I know that so many people will always consider the UK as part of that dysfunctional family. :love:

Choices have been made, they must go through but it's not a happy day even for pro-Brexit people I feel like. It's a sad situation for all.

...it’s one of those things, I think...that still feels a bit surreal...especially this year because the focus has been COVID related difficulties and worry about a possible no deal and the devastating impact of that...but yes, the loss is huge and very sad...we may argue and squabble as countries in the EU family but there is also always love as well...and that is the most outlasting and outstanding thing for many of us, I feel...:love:...

...I have very close family etc living in Europe...and for those continuing their lives in Paris...?...I’ll let them know that you’ll pop in from time to time, Remy...to make sure they’re doing ok...


...you and your loved ones have a wonderful Christmas...:hug:..

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Regardless of what happened and is happening right now, I think it's a sad situation to see our great friends from UK leave EU.
I have a special connection with this country, it inspired me and welcomed me and made me who I am today, and I know that so many people will always consider the UK as part of that dysfunctional family. :love:

Choices have been made, they must go through but it's not a happy day even for pro-Brexit people I feel like. It's a sad situation for all.

It is very sad indeed.

For me retaining ties is a start as to any trading deal.

It's not worth my reliving all of the past referendum on this or the chaos all through.
I voted to remain.
I would again.
Certainly whenever it comes in the future, I will vote to return too.

All my very best to you for Christmas and my.hope really now is to start to see a healing process here in the UK to begin, following any new trading set up with us and the EU.
Which I hope will reduce the divisions of the past over 4 years on brexit.

With a flow of a more inclusive move towards the rest of Europe and the EU from the UK, as our voting population changes more positively.

[arista]

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The Cat is on Fish Patrol

[Captain.Remy]

...it’s one of those things, I think...that still feels a bit surreal...especially this year because the focus has been COVID related difficulties and worry about a possible no deal and the devastating impact of that...but yes, the loss is huge and very sad...we may argue and squabble as countries in the EU family but there is also always love as well...and that is the most outlasting and outstanding thing for many of us, I feel...:love:...

...I have very close family etc living in Europe...and for those continuing their lives in Paris...?...I’ll let them know that you’ll pop in from time to time, Remy...to make sure they’re doing ok...


...you and your loved ones have a wonderful Christmas...:hug:..

Everybody will be doing fine darling, do not worry :love:
And I will always come back to the UK, it has a special specal place in my heart and life....as long as you keep selling those Fox's Party Rings biscuits we shall all be fine!

[Captain.Remy]

Do we know if the deal will include specifics about Fox's Party Rings ?
I need to know if it will be a no deal on those as from next year :joker:
Do not mess with my Fox's Party Rings

[arista]

2:55PM - 3PM we go Live to Brussels


Then Johnson Live


The Deal Is Done



sad BBC stuck on a recorded review

[arista]

Now the slow BBC has the News

Also CNN HD

[Nicky91]

also dutch NOS just now

[James]

I'm glad a deal has been agreed. No deal would have been a very bad outcome.

[arista]

Live in the EU now

[Braden]

2:55PM - 3PM we go Live to Brussels


Then Johnson Live


The Deal Is Done



sad BBC stuck on a recorded review

@Sticks

[Scarlett.]

Thank god, or Santa

[arista]

@Sticks


He was half joking

[arista]

Well Done Von Der Leyen and Johnson

[arista]

I'm glad a deal has been agreed. No deal would have been a very bad outcome.


Yes after Johnson Speaks


The Labour Leader will speak
backing a Deal.

[James]

Now the slow BBC has the News

Also CNN HD

BBC News often talk over the start of a press conference or statement, when I watch. Bit annoying.

[arista]

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If some
of the Conservatives try to block the trade deal
the Labour can save the deal.


Well done Yesterday
Joe Pike, Political Reporter
SkyNewsHD

[bots]

this deal wouldn't have happened if Trump had won the election, so the planets aligned

[arista]

Quarter of the population have Irish passports due to their ancestry :smug:


Lucky You


For when Covid-19 is less strong

[arista]

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[arista]

The PM is Live

[arista]

He said now for the Sprouts
No
its the Press

[Oliver_W]

I hope the transition period isn't too bumpy, but it's hard to see why anyone thinks leaving a big fat neoliberal, borderline capitalist body is a bad thing...

[arista]

Farage Live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

This looks very promising to me we get to keep our EU rights and protections on work, goods, environment and food.

I'm just happy with that.

[arista]

The Labour Leader is Live both news channels
and LBC

He wants his Labour members
To Vote this Deal through

[joeysteele]

The Labour Leader is Live both news channels
and LBC

He wants his Labour members
To Vote this Deal through

They should.

No deal has been averted, if this is as good as it gets then I'd support it.
So it's a good and fair move from Starmer.

[Kizzy]

The Labour Leader is Live both news channels
and LBC

He wants his Labour members
To Vote this Deal through

He has no choice really does he?..

The EU did not allow the tories to sell us lock stock and barrel to the Americans and for that I am truly grateful.

[arista]

He has no choice really does he?..

The EU did not allow the tories to sell us lock stock and barrel to the Americans and for that I am truly grateful.


No
as if Labour
vote against this Next Weds
Live in a Special return of Parliament

It could lead to a No Deal
which would be far worse.

[arista]

Pathetic New Labour Spin Doctor
Alastair Campbell
Live on BBCnewsHD
just said the Labour Leader should not agree
with this deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour shouldn't be signing off on this nonsense. A deal way worse than we had inside the EU, and will automatically make us poorer. Tories have an 80 seat majority, so let them use it. Not a sunlit fcuking upland in sight.

We know this is going to be terrible in a few days time when the full details leak so let the tories own it. You can't criticise it once you sign on to it.

From the EU

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[Scarlett.]

It's either that, or no deal, which is worse.

[Tom4784]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

This looks very promising to me we get to keep our EU rights and protections on work, goods, environment and food.

I'm just happy with that.

That's good. I'm glad a deal was reached, mainly because our country isn't ****ed now and it's funny to see all the no deal people lose their ****.

If our rights are protected though, that's all that matters.

[arista]

Good On Ian Dale
doing a 3 hour special on LBC
ends at 7PM

Then 7PM & 10PM
Natasha Devon MBE
taking questions on Brexit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Devon

[arista]

"We know this is going to be terrible in a few days time"


Look Slim
get over it.

And Labour was correct
to agree a Deal
as opposed to a No Deal.

[arista]

34 pages have been published today
in the UK.
Knock yourself out Slim
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqEw-O0XYAAggic?format=jpg&name=small
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948093/TCA_SUMMARY_PDF.pdf
[Our Agreement means that the UK will
fully recover its national independence.
At 11pm on 31 December,]


Also.


Brexit: EU diplomats to get trade deal briefing on Xmas day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55443780



Live debate on LBC now

[arista]

At this Time the EU Dog Passport
has not been replaced.

They hope to set up a new system soon......

[arista]

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[arista]

https://talkradio.co.uk/sites/talkradio.co.uk/files/styles/large/public/field/image/201904/andrew-adonis.jpg?itok=CvrErNwk

Labour Lord Andrew Adonis was just Live on Times Radio DAB (& free online)
is now reading the 1,400-page full documents.


He says there is not enough time
to debate this on Wednesdays Special Parliament day 30th Dec.

And he also said this is how Johnson PM
planned it.



Yes Adonis
its unstoppable.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

Gold plated age, more like. The kind of gold plating that turns your wrist green.

[Cherie]

https://talkradio.co.uk/sites/talkradio.co.uk/files/styles/large/public/field/image/201904/andrew-adonis.jpg?itok=CvrErNwk

Labour Lord Andrew Adonis was just Live on Times Radio DAB (& free online)
is now reading the 1,400-page full documents.


He says there is not enough time
to debate this on Wednesdays Special Parliament day 30th Dec.

And he also said this is how Johnson PM
planned it.



Yes Adonis
its unstoppable.

Weren’t there two sides in the negotiations, is he saying Bojo was pulling all the strings...just get it read mate ..

[arista]

Weren’t there two sides in the negotiations, is he saying Bojo was pulling all the strings...just get it read mate ..



He was talking about how Johnson planned it
so only one day to debate it
Parliament Special Day 30 Dec Weds.


He wants weeks to debate it

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Shadow Chancellor was Live on BBCnewsHD
she will vote and implement this trade deal.

[bots]

The Shadow Chancellor was Live on BBCnewsHD
she will vote and implement this trade deal.

she can't implement it, thats stupid

[arista]

she can't implement it, thats stupid


Thats what she said.

[Nicky91]

Dutch interests are well taken care of in brexit deal


Dutch interests are well taken care of in the new trade deal agreed between the European Union and Britain, foreign affairs minister Stef Blok has told MPs in a briefing.

The deal which has been agreed is the best which was possible given the circumstances, Blok said.

In particular, he said he is pleased about agreements on ensuring a level playing field, the rules on state aid to companies and on the environment, workers rights and taxation.

Nevertheless, he said, Dutch and other EU fishermen will be able to catch considerably less fish in British waters.

And while this is a disappointment to the fishing industry, it was a necessary trade off to reach a deal, Blok said. He also said he regretted Britain’s decision to withdraw from the Erasmus student exchange programme.

Earlier, prime minister Mark Rutte said news that a deal had been reached was ‘excellent’. Dutch employers also said they were pleased that a deal had been reached in time but that ‘we should not get ahead of ourselves’.

In particular, the VNO-NCW and MKB-Nederland have welcomed the parts of the agreement that guarantee a level playing field between British companies and companies in the EU.

‘But nevertheless, the consequences of Brexit will be immediately felt by industry from January.

We will have to study the exact content and scope of the deal in the coming days to map out the effects for Dutch companies,’ the organisations said.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/dutch-interests-are-well-taken-care-of-in-brexit-deal-says-foreign-minister/

[arista]

The EU
27 nations have agreed with the Brexit Deal


Good news

[arista]

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We will see on Wednesday on the special Parliament Open day.

[arista]

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You make No Difference
Knock yourself out..................

[Scarlett.]

They'd be absolute ****ing idiots to vote against the deal

[arista]

They'd be absolute ****ing idiots to vote against the deal



Yes the SNP do not have enough
enough to halt the vote going through
And some of Labour are not going to vote it in.


On Wednesdays Special Parliament open day.

[Gstar]

Not the longevity of this thread outcharting “had one of my whippets mated tonight”

[Sticks]

Not the longevity of this thread outcharting “had one of my whippets mated tonight”

So as it was originally about the voting in the referendum in 2016, is it time to lock this thread and start a new one? :shrug:

[James]

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You make No Difference
Knock yourself out..................

The pro-EU thing they do is just a political convenience. They don't care about Brexit. They campaigned for independence in 2014 which would have meant Scotland would have been out of the EU.

[Cherie]

The pro-EU thing they do is just a political convenience. They don't care about Brexit. They campaigned for independence in 2014 which would have meant Scotland would have been out of the EU.

Indeed

She must be gutted there is a deal

[arista]

So as it was originally about the voting in the referendum in 2016, is it time to lock this thread and start a new one? :shrug:


No it is fine on one Mega thread.
You wasted loads of posts on your Joke no deal.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

As usual, the express is talking complete bollocks. These are not new trade deals, they are replacing existing trade deals, often on not as good terms as they were previously

[arista]

Tomorrow is the Special Open Parliament day.
Weds 30 Dec 2020


The Treaty Vote is expected to be carried through.

[arista]

A Roll Over Deal with Turkey was signed today.

Turkey says just in time
as over 7,000 companies export to Turkey.
An Essex Ford Engine Van plant exports to Turkey
who complete the Van.


TRTworldNewsHD Live.

[arista]

UK shares jump as markets react to Brexit deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55473988

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqekOLyXcAEQfdi?format=jpg&name=small


Parliament is Live now.

[arista]

The Labour Leader is Live.

[arista]

MP's are now on 4mins speaking time
they will soon go onto 3mins speaking time


SkyNewsHD Westminster reporter
says 84 MP's are on the list that want to speak.

[arista]

With his Small amount of MP's
Lib Dem Leader is Live.

[arista]

Diane Abbott Live In Parliament
is not voting for this Treaty.
Angry talking both news channels

[arista]

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Yes Tell The Labour leader,
Off.

[The Slim Reaper]

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Yes Tell The Labour leader,
Off.

If you think May is right, then you accept that this deal is worse than the one she offered, which was bad.

[arista]

If you think May is right, then you accept that this deal is worse than the one she offered, which was bad.


No
its just Nice she can tell off the Labour Leader

[The Slim Reaper]

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Go ahead Punk
You are your 15 or so objectors
change nothing today.

Wrong thread, punk.

You are your 15 or so objectors

[arista]

Yes its on the Right thread now

[arista]

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Yes Caller
we have one like you
on our forum
he is called Dezzy.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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Yes Caller
we have one like you
on our forum
he is called Dezzy.

:joker::joker:

[arista]

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Yes Old Labour
you are out of the cabinet
and your no vote changes nothing.

[arista]

The Final speaker was Gove MP.

Now they are taking the Vote.

The SNP, LibDems, One Sad Green MP, One Conservative, a few others,
and upto 19 Labour MP's will all vote No
Not enough to stop the Vote Winning.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Final speaker was Gove MP.

Now they are taking the Vote.

The SNP, LibDems, One Sad Green MP, One Conservative, a few others,
and upto 19 Labour votes will all vote No
Not enough to stop the Vote Winning.

No one wants to stop the vote winning, Arista. Folks aren't voting no to stop it, they're voting no because it's a bad deal that doesn't meet any of the promises made, and they aren't hypocrites like Starmer.

[arista]

No one wants to stop the vote winning, Arista. Folks aren't voting no to stop it, they're voting no because it's a bad deal that doesn't meet any of the promises made, and they aren't hypocrites like Starmer.


Of course.

[arista]

It then goes to the Lords.
who can take over 5 hours
wasting time.



The Vote :
521 Yes
73 No

[Withano]

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Yes Old Labour
you are out of the cabinet
and your no vote changes nothing.

Changes nothing is an understatement

There will be a new election (hopefully soon). Labour can stand by it or stand against it. Their stance will change a ****ing lot.

[arista]

Changes nothing is an understatement

There will be a new election (hopefully soon). Labour can stand by it or stand against it. Their stance will change a ****ing lot.


4 years time


Do forget loads in Labour
want out of the EU.



So you are wrong

[The Slim Reaper]

It then goes to the Lords.
who can take over 5 hours
wasting time.

This is such nonsense, in a project that was all about taking back control, we are forcing bills through parliament without the time for scrutiny, and you call it wasting time. Madness.

[Withano]

4 years time


Do forget loads in Labour
want out of the EU.



So you are wrong

Vote of no confidence will happen sooner than that

But Labours stance on this brexit deal could change a lot.

So you’re wrong.

[arista]

This is such nonsense, in a project that was all about taking back control, we are forcing bills through parliament without the time for scrutiny, and you call it wasting time. Madness.


No
not talking about Parliament



I am talking about
the Pathetic
House Of Lords wasting time.

[arista]

Vote of no confidence will happen sooner than that

But Labours stance on this brexit deal could change a lot.

So you’re wrong.



So you Discount
the Large amount of Labour
that want out of the EU

[The Slim Reaper]

No
not talking about Parliament



I am talking about
the Pathetic
House Of Lords wasting time.

HoL is part of our system of scrutiny.

[arista]

HoL is part of our system of scrutiny.


Far to many of them
they need a Cull

[The Slim Reaper]

Far to many of them
they need a Cull

I agree, but Boris is throwing them in at record numbers to reward his backers. I'd start by removing Boris' russians with ties to Putin.

[arista]

I agree, but Boris is throwing them in at record numbers to reward his backers. I'd start by removing Boris' russians with ties to Putin.


Before that.
They still needed Cull.

[The Slim Reaper]

Before that.
They still needed Cull.

And now it's worse. Boris is even pushing in folks that have been rejected.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Royal Assent for Johnson's Deal
will be around 11PM tonight.

SkyNewsHD Westminster Reporter says.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Sticks]

And then from what I heard on the radio the message to all EU immigrants living in the UK will be Go Home, we need your jobs and homes for Brits. (Especially those being kicked out of the EU)

[I]After all we all voted that racism and zenophobia will be respectable and democratic on 23 June 2016 did we not.../I]

[arista]

https://www.rosindell.com/sites/www.rosindell.com/files/styles/gallery_large/public/ar_with_lady_thatcher.jpg?itok=TFTq7YO0



Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell
was on LBC radio
He said that her Bruges speech was the start of Brexit.


https://www.ft.com/content/0b0afe92-ac40-11e8-8253-48106866cd8a



Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

I'm old enough to remember when tories used to baulk at connections to UKIP, now they have the same policies as the NF and adopted UKIPs platform.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Brexit Transition Period has now Ended 11PM

We are now
Out of The EU

[smudgie]

Brexit Transition Period has now Ended 11PM

We are now
Out of The EU

Ahhh, I thought the fireworks had started early.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqmjHCzUYAEyRnt?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

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[SherzyK]

I ask this again because I’m in such a panic about how things are working now

What does this mean for people who want to travel after New Years to EU countries? I was supposed to book but I’m worried now that I might not be able to go anywhere

[SherzyK]

I plan to go Turkey for a week or two in the summer

[James]

I plan to go Turkey for a week or two in the summer

Have you looked at this? https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey/entry-requirements

[arista]

Have you looked at this? https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey/entry-requirements


Yes having to the Embassy will slow it all down.

[Scarlett.]

It's done, over, for better or worse.

[bots]

I ask this again because I’m in such a panic about how things are working now

What does this mean for people who want to travel after New Years to EU countries? I was supposed to book but I’m worried now that I might not be able to go anywhere

turkey was never in the EU

[arista]

Activists cheer as 'sexist' tampon tax is scrapped

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55502252

[Nicky91]

brexit's effect, but i haven't got BBC1 and BBC2 anymore in my country lol

[Glenn.]

Pay your tv license then

[arista]

brexit's effect, but i haven't got BBC1 and BBC2 anymore in my country lol



Can you not get them on Sky Dish.

[arista]

Pay your tv license then


He can not
his nation is not part of the UK.

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't buy single items under £15 from the EU or you'll be hit with around a £9 duty fee on top of delivery.

A single 5kg package being sent to Europe costs £44. It cost £13 a couple of days ago. Enjoy your sovereignty. :blush:

[Cherie]

brexit's effect, but i haven't got BBC1 and BBC2 anymore in my country lol

How did you watch before?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqsHSxWXYAETCz2?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

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Yes Bring on Frexit
Alex.

[The Slim Reaper]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqsHSxOXcAEZDYT?format=jpg&name=large

[arista]

Yes back October.
But now its over,
the Tax has gone

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes back October.
But now its over,
the Tax has gone

So he's a liar?

[arista]

So he's a liar?


No he is glad the Tax has gone.

[The Slim Reaper]

No he is glad the Tax has gone.

Which he voted against removing? Is there any hypocrisy you won't defend?

[Kizzy]

No he is glad the Tax has gone.

If he wanted the tax gone why didn't he vote for it to be gone?

[arista]

If he wanted the tax gone why didn't he vote for it to be gone?


Maybe something to do with Labour Party

[arista]

Which he voted against removing? Is there any hypocrisy you won't defend?


You need to Move on
or keep digging up
old stuff

[The Slim Reaper]

You need to Move on
or keep digging up
old stuff

Whenever you can't answer anything you always say it's old and to move on. This is the EU ref thread, a 40 year project of folks refusing to move on. At least be consistent.

[Kizzy]

Maybe something to do with Labour Party

Like what? I don't understand.

Are you saying he did want it but voted against it just because Labour were voting for it too?

[arista]

Whenever you can't answer anything you always say it's old and to move on. This is the EU ref thread, a 40 year project of folks refusing to move on. At least be consistent.


Back in October he should have voted for it.
Sure, but now he is saying how good
it is without the Forced EU
tax.

[bots]

If he is glad the tax is gone, he would and should have voted for its removal. Either he voted against his conscience at the time or he is simply talking bollocks now, either of which, is not a good look.

[arista]

Stinking French fishermen working in UK waters
before receiving official licences


https://news.sky.com/story/french-fishermen-working-in-uk-waters-before-receiving-official-licences-12177525

[Zizu]

Stinking French fishermen working in UK waters
before receiving official licences


https://news.sky.com/story/french-fishermen-working-in-uk-waters-before-receiving-official-licences-12177525



I hate the idea of everyone stripping our waters ... the world is such a huge place yet everybody seems to want our fish !!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

I hate the idea of everyone stripping our waters ... the world is such a huge place yet everybody seems to want our fish !!




This is Typical
of the Stinking French.

[Ammi]

...this is a very interesting watch that starts off about ‘our fishing waters’...or does it...

epi6-zDCwIg

[bots]

the fishing waters dispute is a political argument. The fishing industry is a tiny proportion of our GDP and shouldn't be considered seriously in any pragmatic discussion.

[Sticks]

the fishing waters dispute is a political argument. The fishing industry is a tiny proportion of our GDP and shouldn't be considered seriously in any pragmatic discussion.

Tell that to those whose livelihoods depend on fishing.

[Cherie]

...this is a very interesting watch that starts off about ‘our fishing waters’...or does it...

epi6-zDCwIg

I could listen to Majid all day, such a fair broadcaster

[arista]

Nine passengers were not allowed to board
on the flight to Madrid on Saturday
British journalist and photographer Max Duncan
reported the incident on Twitter
The Embassy replied to his tweet saying
'This should not be happening']


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/03/15/37548748-9108199-image-a-53_1609688813500.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9108199/British-expats-flying-home-Spain-stopped-boarding-BA-flight-Heathrow-Madrid.html



9 blocked
to be expected
they can correct their errors
and try again.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-border-police-bar-10-british-nationals-from-entering-the-netherlands/

dutch border police bar 10 british nationals from entering Netherlands

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

The express, 1 day apart.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq-94_qXcAAC_U_?format=jpg&name=large

[bots]

the express reminds me so much of what the sunday sport used to come out with

[The Slim Reaper]

A reminder that the backers of Trump and the backers of brexit are the same people.

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[The Slim Reaper]

That was also called project fear when we warned you what would happen.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErHuekDXYAADTrK?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

ive just had to pay vat and customs duty to a courier on an item i purchased from europe ... tariff free trade :skull:

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't buy single items under £15 from the EU or you'll be hit with around a £9 duty fee on top of delivery.

A single 5kg package being sent to Europe costs £44. It cost £13 a couple of days ago. Enjoy your sovereignty. :blush:

ive just had to pay vat and customs duty to a courier on an item i purchased from europe ... tariff free trade :skull:

You kept insisting everything was tariff free, and we got a good deal. :shrug:

[bots]

You kept insisting everything was tariff free, and we got a good deal. :shrug:

the courier got a great deal :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

the courier got a great deal :laugh:

Can I ask for details? Obviously I don't need to know you bought a 14" black double-ender, but was it a single item? Weight? etc

[bots]

Can I ask for details? Obviously I don't need to know you bought a 14" black double-ender, but was it a single item? Weight? etc

anything over £135, you have to pay the vat and customs duty to the courier rather than the shop. Customs duty is a variable rate ... with no specifics other than a base rate of 2.5%. It was a single item weighing about 8 pounds

[The Slim Reaper]

anything over £135, you have to pay the vat and customs duty to the courier rather than the shop. Customs duty is a variable rate ... with no specifics other than a base rate of 2.5%. It was a single item weighing about 8 pounds

Cheers.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/brexit-deal-trade-remove-tariffs-rules-of-origin

The Brexit deal is being celebrated as though it removes all tariffs. It doesn’t

The newly signed EU-UK trade and co-operation agreement (TCA) does little to remove bureaucracy at the border, or facilitate trade in services, but it does at least remove all tariffs and quotas, right?

In practice, the answer is: it depends. As large retailers such as Debenhams and Marks & Spencer are somehow reportedly finding out for the first time, tariff-free trade is not unconditional.

This might surprise you. After all, Boris Johnson has been keen to highlight that the TCA will “enable UK goods to be sold without tariffs, without quotas in the EU market.”

But in order for an exported product to qualify for tariff-free trade under the terms of the EU-UK TCA, it must have either been wholly obtained, or been subject to a significant amount of processing, in the EU or UK. Or to put it another way, the EU-UK TCA only benefits goods that can legitimately claim to have been made in the EU or UK. These so-called rules of origin are not uncommon and can be found in near-every free trade agreement.

This means that if your business model involves importing large quantities of clothes from Indonesia into the UK, and then selling them to shops across the EU, then tariffs might now be levied twice: when the clothes enter the UK, and then again when they enter the EU. The clothes are Indonesian, not British or EU originating, after all.

And while it might be easy to demonstrate that a leg of Welsh lamb is from the UK, and therefore qualifies for tariff-free trade, things get more complicated when you are thinking of exporting something more complex, for example a car, which contains parts sourced from all over the world.

For a petrol car to qualify for tariff-free trade under the terms of the EU-UK TCA, 55 per cent of its value must have been created in either the EU or UK. For carmakers with larger European supply chains this might not prove too difficult a hurdle to clear, but for those that source many parts from Asia it could prove trickier. And if they are unable to meet the 55 per cent threshold, then a 10 per cent tariff applies, with potentially significant implications for their business model.

The EU and UK have attempted to reduce the “day-one” burden for traders somewhat: agreeing that for the first year, exporters will not be required to have all of the evidence supporting their origin claims immediately to hand. But this does not mean the exporters don’t still need to comply with the rules and ensure their products are eligible.

Free trade is rarely free, and for many British companies, used to trading with relative ease across Europe, the new conditions and red tape will come as a surprise. And while some will surely adapt to the new normal, and continue on as before, others will turn their back on exporting all together.

Whether the apparent lack of awareness about these predictable challenges speaks to a wider problem with government communication, or is simply the forgivable result of crisis-fatigue, I leave others to decide.

[The Slim Reaper]

Taking back control.

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[Cherie]

Well this is what they voted for or for those that didn’t vote allowed to happen

[Sticks]

Well this is what they voted for or for those that didn’t vote allowed to happen

Not what I voted for - I voted remain.

[Withano]

Hope all of you who voted leave are okay. You must be feeling awful about yourselves. But you were tricked and you’re not entirely to blame. Hang in there.

[user104658]

That was also called project fear when we warned you what would happen.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErHuekDXYAADTrK?format=jpg&name=900x900Ffs :facepalm:. Again feeling very grateful that I abandonned the merciless country-wide shower of arseholes I used to work for a couple of years ago and am now working for a small ethical 3rd sector org. Workers rights are going out the window for big companies.

Suddenly feeling very thankful for the "share your feelings" zoom circles.

[Tom4784]

Everything brexit supporters were warned about are coming to pass and they'll gladly keep supporting things that only harm them in the long run because Boris and his cronies say it's good.

Lapdogs, the lot of them. Our rights will be forfeit but it's all good because Boris is gonna give us a scratch behind the ear and a nice treat!

[arista]

Everything brexit supporters were warned about are coming to pass and they'll gladly keep supporting things that only harm them in the long run because Boris and his cronies say it's good.

Lapdogs, the lot of them. Our rights will be forfeit but it's all good because Boris is gonna give us a scratch behind the ear and a nice treat!



I am NO Lapdog

[Ramsay]

I am NO Lapdog

You are a bit

[arista]

You are a bit


No Not at all.
It's too early to summarize Brexit.

We need the Vaccine to halt Covid-19
before the UK can get better.

[Ramsay]

Lets meet in the middle, lap puppy?

[The Slim Reaper]

No Not at all.
It's too early to summarize Brexit.

We need the Vaccine to halt Covid-19
before the UK can get better.

The vaccine cures racism?

[arista]

Lets meet in the middle, lap puppy?


Not at all.