The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[Nicky91]

Our Parliament knows what it doesn’t want(Brexit).

Only it struggles to tell us what it actually does want.

Useless.

same as what one party member here in my country said

''consider a nexit referendum, but i don't support a nexit myself'' :joker:

[Cherie]

Our Parliament knows what it doesn’t want(Brexit).

Only it struggles to tell us what it actually does want.

Useless.

Thats the frustrating thing for me

No No No

but not once have their tabled something they would all be on board with

[bots]

The house isn't the government, and only the government can pass legislation in to law, so other mp's can navel gaze for the next 20 years on what they would like, it won't make any difference

[Twosugars]

There's a battle outside, and it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a changin'

someone read too much right wing conspiracy theories

[Alf]

someone read too much right wing conspiracy theoriesYes! that well known right wing conspiracy theorist, Bob Dylan.

[smudgie]

Yes! that well known right wing conspiracy theorist, Bob Dylan.

Can’t get that tune out of my head now.:hehe:

[arista]

Votes to start from 7PM tonight
The Speaker in the House Of Parliament
is to list them in around 10mins time


[A division is now taking place to decide if the indicative votes should go ahead.]

[arista]

He has selected 8

[arista]

15:22

Speaker confirms what options will be on the ballot

He has picked:

Option B (Baron): Leave the EU without a deal on 12th April

Option D (Boles): Norway + model (remain in single market, customs arrangement, EFTA)

Option H (Eustice): Norway model, without a customs union (EEA + EFTA).

Option J (Clarke): Leave the EU with a UK-wide customs union.

Option K (Corbyn): Permanent customs union, including alignment with single market on future EU rights and regulations

Option L (Cherry): Revoke Article 50 if no-deal Brexit is not explicitly approved by MPs a day before we are due to leave

Option M (Beckett): Any withdrawal agreement must be put to the public in a ‘confirmatory’ second referendum

Option O (Fysh): If no withdrawal agreement agreed, seek “standstill” agreement with the EU while negotiating trade deal

[arista]

The Speaker has Blocked the PM's Treaty Vote
for a 3rd time Unless it has a change

[Rob!]

15:22

Speaker confirms what options will be on the ballot

He has picked:

Option B (Baron): Leave the EU without a deal on 12th April

Option D (Boles): Norway + model (remain in single market, customs arrangement, EFTA)

Option H (Eustice): Norway model, without a customs union (EEA + EFTA).

Option J (Clarke): Leave the EU with a UK-wide customs union.

Option K (Corbyn): Permanent customs union, including alignment with single market on future EU rights and regulations

Option L (Cherry): Revoke Article 50 if no-deal Brexit is not explicitly approved by MPs a day before we are due to leave

Option M (Beckett): Any withdrawal agreement must be put to the public in a ‘confirmatory’ second referendum

Option O (Fysh): If no withdrawal agreement agreed, seek “standstill” agreement with the EU while negotiating trade deal

Is that the order they’ll be voting for them in? Great news if so.

[Twosugars]

well done Bercow

[Twosugars]

Yes! that well known right wing conspiracy theorist, Bob Dylan.
and why would you quote this particular lyrics here in the EU thread? :think:

[arista]

Is that the order they’ll be voting for them in? Great news if so.


Yes.

[arista]

well done Bercow



Yes about time he set out on the PM's 3rd try
can only happen if it meets changes to the Treaty deal.


General Election
could get her out of this mess.



[Bercow torpedoes some hopes of Brexit deal vote this week
The speaker addresses his previous ruling, that the PM cannot bring back
her Brexit deal for a third time without substantial change.
He invoked a 400-year-old parliamentary procedure to do so, which blocks
MPs being asked to vote on the same thing over and over again in a short space of time.
He confirms that if, as some report, the deal could be brought back
this Thursday or Friday, "I do expect the government to meet the test of change".]

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2qQfzJXcAIa922.jpg

Yes better get the Police ready

[Alf]

and why would you quote this particular lyrics here in the EU thread? :think:Because I felt like it. OK, NPC?

[Cherie]

The Speaker has Blocked the PM's Treaty Vote
for a 3rd time Unless it has a change

Good

[The Slim Reaper]

Because I felt like it. OK, NPC?

Alf, you keep calling people NPC's as though we're all mindless drones, but I've asked you numerous times why you voted for Brexit, and what you wanted or expected from it, and you said you didn't know.

[Vicky.]

15:22

Speaker confirms what options will be on the ballot

He has picked:

Option B (Baron): Leave the EU without a deal on 12th April

Option D (Boles): Norway + model (remain in single market, customs arrangement, EFTA)

Option H (Eustice): Norway model, without a customs union (EEA + EFTA).

Option J (Clarke): Leave the EU with a UK-wide customs union.

Option K (Corbyn): Permanent customs union, including alignment with single market on future EU rights and regulations

Option L (Cherry): Revoke Article 50 if no-deal Brexit is not explicitly approved by MPs a day before we are due to leave

Option M (Beckett): Any withdrawal agreement must be put to the public in a ‘confirmatory’ second referendum

Option O (Fysh): If no withdrawal agreement agreed, seek “standstill” agreement with the EU while negotiating trade deal

Sick to death of hearing about it, one way or the other something needs to be bloody done now.

I highly suspect if its option O..the 'standstill' will be indefinite and basically, a cancellation as noone will want to pick up the baton again.

Mind, I don 't think ANY MP vote will ever go through on this topic as they seem split 50/50.

[Vicky.]

The Speaker has Blocked the PM's Treaty Vote
for a 3rd time Unless it has a change

Well thats sensible of course. shes just getting them to vote on the same ****ing thing ov er and over, not even tweaks. Its a waste of everyones time.

I still feel sorry for her though, having to sort out this mess when its not her fault. bet Cameron is watching all this and laughing, whilst people blame may for the ****show.

[reece(:]

Option B (Baron): Leave the EU without a deal on 12th April


They're still trying this **** :skull:

[Rob!]

They're still trying this **** :skull:

It’s great news if it’s first in the voting though because once it’s been rejected (as it has been once already) the no dealers will be forced to agree on a better option.

[Alf]

Alf, you keep calling people NPC's as though we're all mindless drones, but I've asked you numerous times why you voted for Brexit, and what you wanted or expected from it, and you said you didn't know.I want an end to political correctness, hate speech laws, censorship, far left bias in all our major institutions and political interference in almost every aspect of our lives,

I want Alf Garnett back on the television.

[Rob!]

I want an end to political correctness, hate speech laws, censorship, far left bias in all our major institutions and political interference in almost every aspect of our lives,

I want Alf Garnett back on the television.

I wasn’t aware the EU was the reason the UK can’t bring people back from the dead.

[Alf]

I wasn’t aware the EU was the reason the UK can’t bring people back from the dead.The EU is the reason for everything that's bad with the UK.

[Rob!]

The EU is the reason for everything that's bad with the UK.

Including racism and bigotry?

[Alf]

Including racism and bigotry?Definitely yes.

[The Slim Reaper]

I want an end to political correctness, hate speech laws, censorship, far left bias in all our major institutions and political interference in almost every aspect of our lives,

I want Alf Garnett back on the television.

Let's delve further into this then; what is political correctness stopping you from saying that you want to say?

Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, gender identity, or sexual orientation is forbidden.[1][2][3][4] Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden

Not sure why you think the hate speech laws are bad, but are there any in particular from the list above that you feel particularly aggrieved about not being able to use?

Censorship existed before Brexit and it will exist post brexit.

Which institutions do you feel are the best examples of far left lunacy run amok?

Just need your help defining exactly what political interference is harmful in your d2d life?

[Alf]

Let's delve further into this then; what is political correctness stopping you from saying that you want to say?



Not sure why you think the hate speech laws are bad, but are there any in particular from the list above that you feel particularly aggrieved about not being able to use?

Censorship existed before Brexit and it will exist post brexit.

Which institutions do you feel are the best examples of far left lunacy run amok?

Just need your help defining exactly what political interference is harmful in your d2d life?It's not a case of wanting to say it, it's a case of being free to say it, if I did want to.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's not a case of wanting to say it, it's a case of being free to say it, if I did want to.

Can you help me out with the major differences, because I can't see it. If you want the option to say something that you don't want to say, then how is that adversely affecting your life in any way whatsoever?

Any chance you can reply to the other points I made?

[Alf]

Can you help me out with the major differences, because I can't see it. If you want the option to say something that you don't want to say, then how is that adversely affecting your life in any way whatsoever?

Any chance you can reply to the other points I made?If you can't see it, then no, I can't help you out.

[Alf]

Doesn't the fact that our politicians are ignoring the democratic will of the people bother you at all?

[The Slim Reaper]

If you can't see it, then no, I can't help you out.

That's fair, I just hope that now you see the folly of calling other people NPC's when you're just regurgitating meaningless platitudes you've heard someone else on the internet say.

[Alf]

That's fair, I just hope that now you see the folly of calling other people NPC's when you're just regurgitating meaningless platitudes you've heard someone else on the internet say.Every word and phrase I've ever learnt, I've heard someone else say. That's how you learn.

[Alf]

That's fair, I just hope that now you see the folly of calling other people NPC's when you're just regurgitating meaningless platitudes you've heard someone else on the internet say.Slim Reaper, never quoted anybody in his life.

[The Slim Reaper]

Doesn't the fact that our politicians are ignoring the democratic will of the people bother you at all?

That to me?

What I see is that Brexit as promised was an impossible task, because it was based on lies and deceit from the start. I genuinely think that the government has tried to actually get it through, but there isn't a better deal on the table than the one we already have with the EU.

All politicians are self-serving; some more than others, and pushing a bad Brexit through will harm their own careers, and I'm pretty sure they know it's going to be bad.

They have a responsibility to try and make the country as prosperous and healthy as possible, and I do actually understand the frustrations of brexiteers (I don't agree, but I do understand), but I struggle to see why generally good folks who voted to leave with the best intentions of the country in mind (from their perspective), now try and force something through that will be bad for everyone, because brexiteers feel like they won something, as opposed to trying to make the country better.

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim Reaper, never quoted anybody in his life.

If I used a quote, I'd be able to tell you exactly why it was relevant to anything I was posting, what it actually meant, and how I could explain the same thing in my own words.

[The Slim Reaper]

Every word and phrase I've ever learnt, I've heard someone else say. That's how you learn.

There is a subtle difference, if you can just repeat other peoples words without understanding them then you haven't learned anything, in the same way a printer isn't a poet or playwright if it prints out Shakespeare.

[arista]

The PM just confirmed she will not
be on the Next Phase of Negotiations


1922 Committee


Her gone in the next few months
providing her Treaty - Deal goes through


1110957224996847616

[Alf]

If I used a quote, I'd be able to tell you exactly why it was relevant to anything I was posting, what it actually meant, and how I could explain the same thing in my own words.You know what NPC means and you know why I'm using it.

It's used as an insult to progressive, social justice, snowflakes.who all think the same. And I like taking the Pi55.

[The Slim Reaper]

You know what NPC means and you know why I'm using it.

It's used as an insult to progressive, social justice, snowflakes.who all think the same. And I like taking the Pi55.

I thought it was gaming language for non-playable character; so in other words, someone mindless who is programmed to do the same thing over and over.

I thought we were actually trying to have a constructive conversation.

[Twosugars]

You know what NPC means and you know why I'm using it.

It's used as an insult to progressive, social justice, snowflakes.who all think the same. And I like taking the Pi55.

Idc what you call me. But it does show you're getting rattled if you need to resort to name calling.
You can't even argue in favour of what you want, let alone win the argument.

[Alf]

There is a subtle difference, if you can just repeat other peoples words without understanding them then you haven't learned anything, in the same way a printer isn't a poet or playwright if it prints out Shakespeare.Of course I know what it means. NPC's are the sort of background zombie like characters. In games like GTA. that all do and say the same things

[The Slim Reaper]

Of course I know what it means. NPC's are the sort of background zombie like characters. In games like GTA. that all do and say the same things

I was talking about your inability to explain your perspective on things like hate speech, or areas the left wing institutions really hurt your life.

[user104658]

I thought it was gaming language for non-playable character; so in other words, someone mindless who is programmed to do the same thing over and over.

It is but it's come into popular usage to basically mean someone who has "stock opinions" or follows the crowd (i.e. they'll repeat things they've heard other people saying but they don't actually understand what they're talking about / have no original thoughts on it, so when questioned they just keep repeating the same things, like an NPC in a game).

To say that it's just "used to describe SJW's / lefties and stuff" is wrong, though, it applies as a term to people from all parts of the political spectrum. Plenty of Brexit / Trump NPC's around, for example.

[Alf]

Idc what you call me. But it does show you're getting rattled if you need to resort to name calling.
You can't even argue in favour of what you want, let alone win the argument.What arguments this? The Brexit argument?

The side I voted for won the argument, but now we're being stopped by the losers, who are to selfish and spoilt to accept defeat.

[reece(:]

Lmao Dame Beckett "I'd want May's promise in blood, after what she's previously backtracked on"

[Twosugars]

What arguments this? The Brexit argument?

The side I voted for won the argument, but now we're being stopped by the losers, who are to selfish and spoilt to accept defeat.

Tbh, any argument. But here, in this thread, it is Brexit.
We voted to join in the 70s but your side couldn't accept that so it's you who are losers who had to reopen the issue.

Remainers will never accept you taking the country for a dangerous ride bc your hatred of the EU trumps any common sense. That's what patriots do, protect the country against harm.

[The Slim Reaper]

What arguments this? The Brexit argument?

The side I voted for won the argument, but now we're being stopped by the losers, who are to selfish and spoilt to accept defeat.

Nobody won, Alf. We will all win, or all lose. Us losers have no power to do anything, we signed a petition and marched, none of which has had any impact on the PM.

I'll make a suggestion now, and it's up to you what you do with it; why don't you look into what was sold to you, and hold the people that lied accountable rather than blaming people who have no power.

We're not your enemy; Farage, Johnson, Davis, and R-M who lied and stand to profit from this while our GDP drops, are the people you should be angry with.

You were conned, but we've all been conned at some point in our lives as no one is immune.

[Alf]

Nobody won, Alf. We will all win, or all lose. Us losers have no power to do anything, we signed a petition and marched, none of which has had any impact on the PM.

I'll make a suggestion now, and it's up to you what you do with it; why don't you look into what was sold to you, and hold the people that lied accountable rather than blaming people who have no power.

We're not your enemy; Farage, Johnson, Davis, and R-M who lied and stand to profit from this while our GDP drops, are the people you should be angry with.

You were conned, but we've all been conned at some point in our lives as no one is immune.But you're wrong.

If it's us all together. then why do you oppose what the majority of the country voted for?

[Twosugars]

For those interested a piece from theverge on NPC (a sub-humanoid automaton Alf called me)

Last week, The New York Times published a piece about an insular 4chan meme that had started to bleed over into political Twitter. At the time, NPC — an acronym for the gaming term “non-playable character” — had been weaponized by trolls in an attempt to “own the libs” by calling them automatons, but it was still a relatively niche meme very few outlets had touched.

Along with a couple of stories before it, the Times’ article kicked off a domino effect: its publication prompted popular members of the alt-right — including Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars — to amplify the meme to their audiences through YouTube videos, articles, and tweets. Search results for “NPC” increased, according to Google Trends. The second most looked-up term: 4chan, the notorious forum where the meme originated. A quick search on YouTube for “NPC meme” returns a cascade of videos, most, if not all, uploaded within the last week.

Suddenly, a meme that had been hyper-localized to one fetid corner of the internet has been telegraphed to a massive audience in a jarringly forced display of virality that highlights just how quickly an inside joke from an insular community can spread with the oxygen of press coverage.

Reporting on hyper-niche memes, even when they’re attached to more newsworthy events, inevitably carries a cost in terms of amplification. To report necessarily means giving new symbols to wider audiences, which gives bad actors more power in a self-proclaimed fight against censorship. The paradox reporters are often faced with is finding a responsible way to report on harmful memes spreading without amplifying hate.

The NPC meme has existed for a while. It dates back to July 2016 when a member of 4chan’s video game-dedicated /v/ board posed a question about whether people considered themselves an NPC, referring to the preprogrammed characters in a video game that can only engage with the player through a limited number of catchphrases. As the meme progressed, it started being applied to people who reiterated the same set of sentiments over and over again, like “Trump is Hitler,” or “Lock her up.” NPC types can’t hold regular conversations, the meme suggests, and they rely on robotic rhetoric to function.

Don Caldwell, Know Your Meme’s managing editor, says he’s perplexed by the rise of the NPC meme. It was born in the gaming community, like so many are, but it’s so run-of-the-mill that Caldwell can’t believe it picked up traction the way it did.

“It was pretty insular and limited to the 4chan boards,” Caldwell tells The Verge. “In the beginning, a lot of them were kind of inspired by a Psychology Today article about people that don’t have internal monologues. Then [the memes] started being used to knock on progressives: we saw some computer code ones that were captioned with mock computer scripts to depict them as mindless automatons. It was relatively small up until earlier this month.”

That was right around the time Kotaku published one of the earliest pieces on the NPC meme, which it describes as an attempt to “dehumanize SJWs.” The story, published on October 5th, led to an incremental increase in search traffic for the meme on Know Your Meme, says Caldwell. Interest peaked 10 days later when The New York Times piece was published. The Times’ explanation of the meme — “the Pro-Trump Internet’s New Favorite Insult” — compounded by news that Twitter’s Trust and Safety team had recently banned 1,500 accounts created using the NPC formula, only heightened interest.

It’s a double-edged sword that news organizations have contended with over the past few years: is it possible to explain a seemingly cryptic meme, especially one as insular and niche as this, to your readership without broadening its reach?

Whitney Phillips, an assistant professor at Syracuse University whose research focuses on internet culture, published a report earlier this year on the effect of media coverage on bad actors and harmful memes. For “The Oxygen of Amplification,” Phillips uses interviews with a number of journalists about covering trolls and dangerous content to parse the delicate line between explaining a particular trend to your audience, which often provides necessary contextual insight, and bringing more attention to a possibly harmful movement that can increase hate speech and harassment online.

In some cases, like the NPC meme, it can also lead to misinformation and fabricated facts spreading across popular conversational platforms like Twitter. The New York Times reports that after people on Reddit’s r/The_Donald subreddit decided to create fake NPC accounts to troll liberals, “a few of the accounts started posting misleading information about the midterm elections, including encouraging liberals to vote on Nov. 7.” (Election Day is November 6th.) This violated Twitter’s guidelines concerning “intentionally misleading election-related content.” Although the Times also notes it’s unlikely trolls behind the meme on Twitter were anything other than “attention-starved gamers looking to impress one another by ‘triggering the libs’ with edgy memes,” misinformation still spread.

The combination of Twitter culling 1,500-plus NPC accounts and the evidence that the meme was spreading misinformation suggests that the NPC meme has crossed the threshold from “just another meme going through its life cycle” into an important discussion about how that life cycle can produce real-life effects.

The irony, says Caldwell, is that when it first started circulating, NPC Wojak was also deployed as an anti-Trump meme that used to dunk on conservatives.

“There were NPCs wearing MAGA hats, and the captions were captcha codes of typical Trump-supporting talking points that were cliché,” he explains. “It was being used by both sides, and those were both trending on our site [at the time]. Clearly, this was a push [more] by people on the right than those on the left, but it was starting to get used by different parts of the web.”

Though people within 4chan also used the meme to make fun of right-wing tropes, its push to r/The_Donald and subsequently to Twitter came from self-identified right-leaning users, which is how it ultimately caught the attention of reporters and critics.

This is how a meme that starts off as harmless fun is easily and quickly weaponized. News organizations paying serious attention to forums like 4chan and Reddit make it easy for politically motivated, otherwise insular memes to accrue power at astonishing speeds. It’s why, when it comes to reporting on memes — and Twitter taking action against over a thousand NPC accounts is indeed newsworthy — context has never been more important.

Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) Center on Extremism, leads a team that spends its time trying to determine when a popular meme becomes a hate symbol.

Pepe the Frog is touted as the best recent example of a meme that went from being a harmless cartoon to an avatar for hate, both on and offline. Matt Furie’s frog character was politicized and became a symbol for the alt-right and white supremacists. Segal says his organization is aware of the NPC meme, but he doesn’t think it’s breached into harmful territory just yet. Context, Segal argued, is key to understanding when a meme is just a meme, and when it could become something more important.

“We mostly focus on circulating content. And certainly, once we saw this meme circulating, it [had] gained some popularity,” Segal tells The Verge. “We saw white supremacists and others were tracking and [catching] on to the meme and creating their own. [But] I don’t think it’s necessarily an extremist meme. It’s ... being used by a lot of people, and it certainly seems to be a meme that’s politically motivated, but it’s not entirely politically motivated. It just so happens that young, white supremacists are very much in-tune with what’s happening on social media and pop culture, so they’ve [caught] on to it as well.”

Trolling, according to Phillips, has one purpose: to become bigger than what it started as. That’s why 4chan’s insular activity always seems to be kicking up a new storm, slowly gathering attention from more and more people until it spills over into the mainstream. 4chan trolling behavior is how we got Pedobear and LOLcats and the best Spider-Man meme. “Trolling on and around 4chan was the most influential cultural force most people didn’t realize they were actually quite familiar with,” reads Phillips’ report.

By the time the 2016 presidential election rolled around, that stealth pipeline was primed for maximum impact.

“The fact that 4chan’s participants could be funny and creative and profoundly (if stealthily) influential on the broader popular culture cannot, should not, and must not be separated out from the grotesque bigotries, targeted antagonisms, and glaring instances of myopia that were equally characteristic of the young subculture,” Phillips writes. “Trolls did real damage, and could be — often were — extremely dangerous.”

The election dramatically shifted the way the media covers memes, not to mention how the general population interacts with them. Because many journalists failed to take memes seriously at first, hypersensitivity has now made many susceptible to overcorrection, which supercharges that aforementioned pipeline. Niche memes that wouldn’t have caught the attention of internet-centric blogs five or six years ago now appear on The New York Times’ website. Segal isn’t surprised.

“For those who are creating memes on Reddit and 4chan and these more secretive places away from the mass public, their goal is that one of the papers and the media pick up on it because that helps amplify the meme and more people understand it, perhaps even engage [with] it,” he says. “Mainstream media is trying to explain to a broader audience things that they may not be aware of. The intent isn’t to harm, per se, but with specific memes, like the OK symbol, it’s almost part of the creation and development of a meme to have someone like The New York Times report on it.”

The OK symbol is a perfect example of finding the right balance between reporting while trying not to amplify an obvious 4chan troll. Launched on 4chan as “Operation O-KKK,” the OK symbol’s goal was simple: spread it enough as an anti-Semitic gesture, both online and offline, and hope the media picked up on the campaign. A document was posted on 4chan, as reported by The Boston Globe, instructing members to effectively troll the mainstream public until it became a thing people couldn’t ignore.

“[W]e must flood Twitter and other social media websites . . . claiming that the OK hand sign is a symbol of white supremacy,” the document reads. “Leftists have dug so deep down into their lunacy. We must force [them] to dig more, until the rest of society ain’t going anywhere near that [expletive].”

The issue, according to Segal, is that it’s impossible to prove intent. Reporting it as a blatant anti-Semitic symbol plays into the 4chan trolls’ game, but ignoring that some self-identified white nationalists are using the gesture is equally harmful. The answer is still unclear, but it helps explain why niche memes and radicalization attempts are on the front pages of The New York Times, The Washington Post, or The Boston Globe.

“When the volume of use includes much hateful content, when it’s being used as a tool to harass, when the meme itself is being embraced by extremists, at that point, we consider the data and function of it and decide whether or not to include it in our list of hate symbols,” Segal said. “It’s very important, whether we’re talking about Pepe the Frog, the OK symbol, or this new meme today, to remember context is key.”

Some used the NPC meme to spread false information. Others embraced it as a way to make fun of people. There’s a good reason why Kotaku and The New York Times decided to report on it. It’s slightly confusing, but knowing its meaning helps explain larger narratives in American political culture. But even within this context, the NPC meme isn’t on the same level as Pepe the Frog. To parse the rate trolls cycle through memes requires the context Segal stresses: what they mean, yes, but also when their use can’t be avoided.

“I’ve seen instances where it’s being used as a hateful meme, but that doesn’t automatically make it a hate symbol,” Segal said. “Even if there’s a huge volume and some of the criteria is met, it doesn’t mean that every use of it is a hate symbol.”

The NPC meme became a story not because it was worth explaining why a bunch of 4chan trolls were comparing liberals to sub-humanoid beings, but because a major social media platform took action to stop a meme that was spreading misinformation. That difference is crucial for both journalists and readers to understand: when memes are explained, they will also be amplified. By engaging with toxicity, we risk increasing that toxicity.

[Alf]

Do you have to take up half a page wi;th a pointless article? you troll!

[Tom4784]

The irony of calling other people NPCs when that term has only increased in usage because of Right Wing twitter following 4chan trolling trends....

Also Alf? Do you know how democracy works? People can change their minds, if they couldn't, we wouldn't have elections. How can you truly say for certain that people still feel the same way as they did before? The only way you could still make that claim is through another vote but Leave won't ever go for that because they are scared that it won't go their way now that people are more aware of the reality of Brexit. To block another vote because it might not go their way is not democracy.

[The Slim Reaper]

But you're wrong.

If it's us all together. then why do you oppose what the majority of the country voted for?

Because it will be bad for everyone, and there still isn't even a viable plan. You accuse us lefties of being soft snowflakes worried about everyone else, and this is an instance where you just won't accept that our thoughts are for the collective good.

[Alf]

The irony of calling other people NPCs when that term has only increased in usage because of Right Wing twitter following 4chan trolling trends....

Also Alf? Do you know how democracy works? People can change their minds, if they couldn't, we wouldn't have elections. How can you truly say for certain that people still feel the same way as they did before? The only way you could still make that claim is through another vote but Leave won't ever go for that because they are scared that it won't go their way now that people are more aware of the reality of Brexit. To block another vote because it might not go their way is not democracy.You say right wing as though it's a bad thing, they're people with feelings too.

[Alf]

Because it will be bad for everyone, and there still isn't even a viable plan. You accuse us lefties of being soft snowflakes worried about everyone else, and this is an instance where you just won't accept that our thoughts are for the collective good.Why will it be bad for everyone?

[Alf]

Because it will be bad for everyone, and there still isn't even a viable plan. You accuse us lefties of being soft snowflakes worried about everyone else, and this is an instance where you just won't accept that our thoughts are for the collective good.I'd consider myself a lefty. Definitely more left than right.

[The Slim Reaper]

Why will it be bad for everyone?

This is the bit i want you to look into. Say I run off 10 reasons why... you'll dismiss it without even thinking (as you've done with most of my posts in this thread already), but if you look into it then you've committed to at least giving it a proper look.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd consider myself a lefty. Definitely more left than right.

No you don't, you've made numerous derogatory comments aimed at the left over the last 2 pages, and probably most threads in S&D :fist:

[Alf]

This is the bit i want you to look into. Say I run off 10 reasons why... you'll dismiss it without even thinking (as you've done with most of my posts in this thread already), but if you look into it then you've committed to at least giving it a proper look.I gave you a reason a few weeks back about our fishing waters and the fishing industry in my home city, decimated by the EU.

[Tom4784]

You say right wing as though it's a bad thing, they're people with feelings too.

Right Wing is Right Wing.

Now stop avoiding what I've said and tell me how you know what the people's will is in this current moment when your point of reference is almost three years old and doesn't reflect what we've lived through these past years?

You can't know without another vote and Brexit will do what they can to block another vote because they are scared that the process has changed people's minds.

You can't speak about the will of the people if you aren't willing to give them a chance to speak now. If you're so confident the result will be the same then what's the problem?

[Alf]

No you don't, you've made numerous derogatory comments aimed at the left over the last 2 pages, and probably most threads in S&D :fist:The thing is, what's left and right has changed massively in the past 15 to 20 years.

Take someone like Rod Liddle. an old school Labour man, get's called far right today, just because he's un PC.

[The Slim Reaper]

I gave you a reason a few weeks back about our fishing waters and the fishing industry in my home city, decimated by the EU.

That's fair. I'm not a fishing expert (hard to believe, I know), but let me point out a couple of things.

1 - There are issues with fishing, I agree (with my limited knowledge), but it's hardly been mentioned since leave won the vote. It was used by people who don't really care to attack te EU.

2) There is no way we will get a trade deal with the EU that won't allow them to continue to fish.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/25/fishermen-betrayal-brexit-eu-policy-talks-stalemate

Brexit isn't going to really do that much about fishing.

[The Slim Reaper]

The thing is, what's left and right has changed massively in the past 15 to 20 years.

Take someone like Rod Liddle. an old school Labour man, get's called far right today, just because he's un PC.

Isn't he an editor or something on the spectator - a conservative magazine?

The problem was that new labour were actually a centre right party, not a left wing party. It became for people to feel better about sending their kids to private schools whilst pretending to give a **** about the people.

You know who Dave Rubin is, and you don't really watch/listen to him anymore. He made his career on the young turks, a left wing US news channel. He complained that he wasn't being paid enough, but then the Koch brothers started to pay him to become conservative, so he did.

These folks know they're lying.

[Twosugars]

The thing is, what's left and right has changed massively in the past 15 to 20 years.

Take someone like Rod Liddle. an old school Labour man, get's called far right today, just because he's un PC.

Or maybe Liddle changed his views?
That would be a simpler explanation.
Rod Liddle and his views aren't a constant sun around which everything else revolves

[Alf]

Right Wing is Right Wing.

Now stop avoiding what I've said and tell me how you know what the people's will is in this current moment when your point of reference is almost three years old and doesn't reflect what we've lived through these past years?

You can't know without another vote and Brexit will do what they can to block another vote because they are scared that the process has changed people's minds.

You can't speak about the will of the people if you aren't willing to give them a chance to speak now. If you're so confident the result will be the same then what's the problem?But the first vote hasn:t even been honoured yet.

We can have another vote in 40 years

[Twosugars]

Do you have to take up half a page wi;th a pointless article? you troll!

No, it has a point. People need to know what new insults alt-right has in store.
If it's too long mods can decide.

[Alf]

Or maybe Liddle changed his views?
That would be a simpler explanation.
Rod Liddle and his views aren't a constant sun around which everything else revolvesI was giving an example. And no, his views haven't changed, the World around him has.

[Alf]

No, it has a point. People need to know what new insults alt-right has in store.
If it's too long mods can decide.You need to be able to recognise the difference between the alt-right and the anti globalists.

[Twosugars]

You need to be able to recognise the difference between the alt-right and the anti globalists.

As a non NPC, I'm sure you can explain to us the nuance.

[Alf]

As a non NPC, I'm sure you can explain to us the nuance.No, go learn yourself, It'll be good exercise for you. It might even open your mind.

[arista]

The 8 votes are now being counted
for 30mins.

They have done it on Green Paper .

[Rob!]

Screaming

Apparently one of the options May has to get her vote through is to get the Queen involved to overrule the speaker

[arista]

Labour MP Dawn Butler:

[And it begins!

Just witnessed some conservatives arguing and swearing at each other. I went to start recording and someone split them up.]

[bots]

Screaming

Apparently one of the options May has to get her vote through is to get the Queen involved to overrule the speaker

yeah, it would be a new queens speech with one item, the vote on her deal :laugh:

[arista]

19:35

MPs now debate changing Brexit date

[Sticks]

Maybe we will get lucky, they all decide we want to leave with no deal this Friday after all, then we will have a new golden age of prosperity for all.

Anyone saying anything otherwise are maliciously spreading the despicable lies, that Satan himself would baulk at, of Project Fear on industrial strength steroids, just like what we heard from that ERC or ECR group (I forget which)

[reece(:]

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[arista]

Maybe we will get lucky, they all decide we want to leave with no deal this Friday after all, then we will have a new golden age of prosperity for all.

Anyone saying anything otherwise are maliciously spreading the despicable lies, that Satan himself would baulk at, of Project Fear on industrial strength steroids, just like what we heard from that ERC or ECR group (I forget which)


No The Minister In Parliament
just changed the date to 12 April
and 22nd of May if her deal goes through

[reece(:]

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[joeysteele]

I cannot bear Theresa May, I never ever have liked her.
However has there ever been a more ridiculous and hapless PM.
She will, to score a point, resign and clear off.
If her agreement is passed

What though, does this say for some in this Conservative government.
Whose MPs will now support a deal they've voted against twice despite really no changes to it.
Just to help hound their leader out of office.

What weak snivelling pathetic cowards some of them are.

[reece(:]

I cannot bear Theresa May, I never ever have liked her.
However has there ever been a more ridiculous and hapless PM.
She will, to score a point, resign and clear off.
If her agreement is passed

What though, does this say for some in this Conservative government.
Whose MPs will now support a deal they've voted against twice despite really no changes to it.
Just to help hound their leader out of office.

What weak snivelling pathetic cowards some of them are.
Hypocrites the lot of them

and those saying it's undemocratic for a second ref, these are changing their minds on her deal for political gains. Shameful

[Tom4784]

But the first vote hasn:t even been honoured yet.

We can have another vote in 40 years

The first vote wasn't legally binding, few referendums are. They are just to understand what the people want, just like any further votes would be.

It is rich though, not only do you want to deny the people their say, you want to put a vote so far into the future that it won't really matter to most of us.

And you speak of democracy, it's incredibly cowardly to shy away from letting the people speak again just because they voted your way the first time. If you cared about democracy at all you wouldn't fear another vote.

[hijaxers]

19:35

MPs now debate changing Brexit date

Play time in the chimpanzee house ~ no offence to any chimps reading this.

[Sticks]

Maybe we will get lucky, they all decide we want to leave with no deal this Friday after all, then we will have a new golden age of prosperity for all.

Anyone saying anything otherwise are maliciously spreading the despicable lies, that Satan himself would baulk at, of Project Fear on industrial strength steroids, just like what we heard from that ERC or ECR group (I forget which)

OK correction - ERG

It is so confusing with so much alphabet soup arround.

hmmmm Alphabet soup.... [/Homer Simpson]

[Wizard.]

No wonder all other countries turned back before they got to this point... the EU is designed to keep us prisoners forever.

[reece(:]

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[Twosugars]

No wonder all other countries turned back before they got to this point... the EU is designed to keep us prisoners forever.

No, it's not. UK is free to leave any time it wants to.

[arista]

[20:40
Labour shadow minister quits
Great Grimsby MP Melanie Onn has quit
as Labour's shadow housing minister.
It comes after Labour MPs were ordered to
back any Brexit deal in this parliament
being put to a public vote.
She has been a vocal opponent of a second referendum.]

[Wizard.]

No, it's not. UK is free to leave any time it wants to.

The EU would’ve known that the deal would never go through, now they come out today and say they are happy for long extension / “the U.K. cannot ignore the 5 million who signed the petition to revoke Article 50”

[bots]

The EU would’ve known that the deal would never go through, now they come out today and say they are happy for long extension / “the U.K. cannot ignore the 5 million who signed the petition to revoke Article 50”

that is likely to backfire big time, and make mp's that are in 2 minds, vote for May's deal

[Tom4784]

It's not the EU you have to blame for any delays to brexit, it's a conflicted parliament that can't figure out what it wants Brexit to be.

[arista]

Yes 441
No 105

Vote on Leave 12th April 11PM
and 22nd May if deal goes through


[21:19

MPs back delaying Brexit
The House of Commons has overwhelmingly voted in favour of changing
the date of Brexit in UK law, following the EU's granting of an
extension to the Article 50 negotiating period.

Ayes: 441
Noes: 105
Majority: 336]

[arista]

B, D, H, J, K, ,L , M, O,

All Votes Lost



What a Waste of Time

[Northern Monkey]

Our Parliament knows what it doesn’t want(Brexit).

Only it struggles to tell us what it actually does want.

Useless.

.

[reece(:]

Why did Labour whip on that? TRAGIC.

[arista]

[21:44

MPs fail to back any alternative Brexit plan

The results of the indicative votes in the Commons have just been announced.]


https://news.sky.com/story/live-mps-to-vote-on-brexit-alternatives-as-theresa-may-battles-to-save-her-deal-11676313

[bots]

[21:44

MPs fail to back any alternative Brexit plan

The results of the indicative votes in the Commons have just been announced.]


https://news.sky.com/story/live-mps-to-vote-on-brexit-alternatives-as-theresa-may-battles-to-save-her-deal-11676313

its no deal or revoke, those are the only 2 realistic options

[reece(:]

Bercow is CLOCKING :clap1:

[Rob!]

:laugh2:


Just cancel this ****ing mess and stop wasting so much time that should be spent on actual issues

[reece(:]

Them scum tories trying to silence our Anna!

[Northern Monkey]

I think i’ve lost the will to care if we leave or not.Parliament is broken.

Just lock them all in the chamber with no food and make them keep voting until they make a decision.When they get hungry they’ll start voting on ****.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2sk0wUWwAAfH0O.jpg

[bots]

its hilarious

[Wizard.]

It's only a crisis because MP's have made it a crisis by not being able to come to a decision.

[Rob!]

So, they'll be another go at this on Monday. If they've got any sense they'll take the options with the most 'ayes' and try and find something to play with.

[Beso]

So by resigning our dear prime minister will get her plan through and end up being remembered as the PM that got us out the ****.

[Rob!]

So by resigning our dear prime minister will get her plan through and end up being remembered as the PM that got us out the ****.

Which countries' politics are you reporting on?

[Liam-]

At this point I think these morons are purposely ****ing this whole process up just so they can scare people into allowing them to change the result, what an absolute **** show, I’m so over all of it, let’s just drop out get it done and sack anyone pureposely trying to obstruct the will of the people.

[Beso]

Which countries' politics are you reporting on?

My own head one..isn't that on the table then?.


.I'm like Liam. .past caring..I've read, listened..got in amongst it.
So its all just point scoring crap from each and every person in the country that comments on it and has been for ages in my head at this point in time..I'm. Listening to nobody but myself.


But is that a possibility? If she resigned.

[bots]

At this point I think these morons are purposely ****ing this whole process up just so they can scare people into allowing them to change the result, what an absolute **** show, I’m so over all of it, let’s just drop out get it done and sack anyone pureposely trying to obstruct the will of the people.

this basically, mp's have made a cluster **** of this themselves, they are ALL to blame for defying the will of the people. There are only 2 options, leave without a deal or revoke it. They can pretend otherwise, but no amount of general elections or referendums will change it.

[Beso]

this basically, mp's have made a cluster **** of this themselves, they are ALL to blame for defying the will of the people. There are only 2 options, leave without a deal or revoke it. They can pretend otherwise, but no amount of general elections or referendums will change it.

What about the pm agreeing to resign before whatever date if the mps agree to her plan...is that a possibility or am I going nuts?

[bots]

What about the pm agreeing to resign before whatever date if the mps agree to her plan...is that a possibility or am I going nuts?

no, it wont get her deal to pass

[Alf]

Hypocrites the lot of them

and those saying it's undemocratic for a second ref, these are changing their minds on her deal for political gains. ShamefulThey're all on your side, they're all trying to stop us leaving. It's the orders from their masters in Brussels.

[Alf]

"We shall never surrender."

[Wizard.]

We need a second referendum yeah... options are May's deal or No Deal... you really want to put it in the people's hands... let's see... oh wait Remainers won't want that, because they want to remain and re-run first referendum, then who is running scared!

[Tom4784]

We need a second referendum yeah... options are May's deal or No Deal... you really want to put it in the people's hands... let's see... oh wait Remainers won't want that, because they want to remain and re-run first referendum, then who is running scared!

... The people who are trying to prevent a second referendum?

[Tom4784]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2sk0wUWwAAfH0O.jpg

Hopefully they can whip the votes up for the Norway option since that's closest to being accepted so this nightmare can end.

[Rob!]

Well, at least they agree on the fact that they really really really don't want a no deal. Other than that, it's all pretty ****ing embarrassing.

[Sticks]

We are leaving with no deal - Rejoice :colour:

[bots]

labour were busy whipping last night, where it was only the tory cabinet that were whipped, come next week, things like the Norway option have no chance :laugh:

[Cherie]

its going back to the people folks, that or Mays deal

[Alf]

its going back to the people folks, that or Mays dealThere's that many predictions of what's going to happen, at least one person is bound to predict correctly.

I think it's just best to wait until D day (whenever that may be) to see what happens.

I've always said the final outcome will be the final outcome, the rest is just theatre.

[Cherie]

There's that many predictions of what's going to happen, at least one person is bound to predict correctly.

I think it's just best to wait until D day (whenever that may be) to see what happens.

I've always said the final outcome will be the final outcome, the rest is just theatre.

I have always thought we would get a second ref but lets see, looks like Mogg and Co are trying to get behind Mays deal, whatever happens I think everyone just wants the MPs to actually make a decision and stop hiding

[Alf]

I have always thought we would get a second ref but lets see, looks like Mogg and Co are trying to get behind Mays deal, whatever happens I think everyone just wants the MPs to actually make a decision and stop hidingMogg and Johnson and Co were all invited to Chequers for talks last Sunday. I axpect, some deal was made that they allow May to get her deal through, so that she delivers Brexit Then she will step down and allow the Leavers to take over. I suspect Boris, because that is Rees Mogg choice, and I hear Amber Rudd would back Boris.

[Nicky91]

There's that many predictions of what's going to happen, at least one person is bound to predict correctly.

I think it's just best to wait until D day (whenever that may be) to see what happens.

I've always said the final outcome will be the final outcome, the rest is just theatre.

funny, my mom said the same thing this morning about your parliament, which also seems like a big theatre show :laugh:

[bots]

its going back to the people folks, that or Mays deal

if it goes back to the people it should be accept no deal or remain, then there is no confusion, no room for manoeuvre, we are in or we are out. full stop

[Cherie]

if it goes back to the people it should be accept no deal or remain, then there is no confusion, no room for manoeuvre, we are in or we are out. full stop

Yes it will have to be clear cut

[Wizard.]

She will only get her deal through if the DUP support and there's no way in hell that's happening. She need to put it to the people so we can vote for her deal and get it through. Pay us the 75k please seeing as we will be doing MP's jobs for them.

[Wizard.]

I am ready for a second ref, bring it on :dance: Even if Remain wins, we can sign a petition and stop it :cheer:

[Smithy]

I am ready for a second ref, bring it on :dance: Even if Remain wins, we can sign a petition and stop it :cheer:

Except there would be nothing to stop and within a month it would be forgotten about :hehe:

[arista]

We are leaving with no deal - Rejoice :colour:


12th of April.
But more votes on Monday.

[bots]

The point in all of this is that after all the indicative votes, and the vote on May's deal, there is no majority for anything. That being the case, we will leave the EU with a no deal now on 12 April. People have to support something to stop that happening, and there is no appetite to support anything else

[arista]

The point in all of this is that after all the indicative votes, and the vote on May's deal, there is no majority for anything. That being the case, we will leave the EU with a no deal now on 12 April. People have to support something to stop that happening, and there is no appetite to support anything else


But already the Labour MP's
want to do the Becket (M) Vote again
on Monday.
As it was close

[Cal.]

I went a second ref so I can walk into the polling station with the girls with my Barbie shades on and cast my vote!

[bots]

But already the Labour MP's
want to do the Becket (M) Vote again
on Monday.
As it was close

the conservatives didnt whip the vote yesterday, they will on Monday

[Wizard.]

Except there would be nothing to stop and within a month it would be forgotten about :hehe:

Says who.

[arista]

the conservatives didnt whip the vote yesterday, they will on Monday



Sure , a change in the amounts

[bots]

:joker:
1111196735613874176

[Smithy]

Says who.

Today’s news is tomorrow’s wrapping paper, the only reasonsd’re Constantly discussing Brexit it because nobody knows what the **** they’re doing. If it’s cancelled, everything goes back to normal

[arista]

:joker:
1111196735613874176


Yes
He will ignore her.
Scottish Labour Let The Conservatives back into Scotland
in the 2017 General Election.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/AA46/production/_106209534_brexit_euro_comp_28mar.png
Some Of The EU papers today

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/2C56/production/_106205311_sun28.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/C896/production/_106205315_met28.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/5366/production/_106205312_gu28.jpg

[arista]

The Government must have a Vote on Friday
by 11PM.

The EU has demanded that

They have until 5PM today to explain
in Parliament?


The New Date of Leaving is Friday April the 12th at 11PM



[12:53
Sky sources: There will be no meaningful vote on Theresa May's Brexit deal tomorrow,
but there will be a debate on Brexit.]

[13:10
BBC :Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom told MPs
there would be a further debate on a government Brexit motion on Friday.
But it is unclear yet whether this will end with a third "meaningful vote" on the PM's deal.]

Ref: SkyNewsHD , BBCnewsHD , LBC

[Sticks]

Bercow ruled out a third vote on May's deal

It was the only one offered by the EU

Therefore we are leaving the EU with No Deal for certain now, to a new golden age of prosperity.

Anyone saying otherwise are spreading wicked and malicious lies of Project Fear, that even Satan himself would baulk at spreading.

BTW breaking news, Ree-Smog has announced that he will no longer back May's deal as the DUP are opposing it

[Northern Monkey]

Has Bercow actually said a definite no to a third meaningful vote now then?

[arista]

Has Bercow actually said a definite no to a third meaningful vote now then?


Yes yesterday he did.
Unless it has a change

So The PM will have to over rule him
with legal means

Tomorrow is a Massive Debate now
unless they find another way to bring in the vote

[arista]

Bercow ruled out a third vote on May's deal

It was the only one offered by the EU

Therefore we are leaving the EU with No Deal for certain now, to a new golden age of prosperity.

Anyone saying otherwise are spreading wicked and malicious lies of Project Fear, that even Satan himself would baulk at spreading.

BTW breaking news, Ree-Smog has announced that he will no longer back May's deal as the DUP are opposing it


Yes but Labour and the rest are rushing to stop
No Deal

[Denver]

I think we can rule of Gove as PM as they will know he has zero chance of winning the next election

[bots]

Has Bercow actually said a definite no to a third meaningful vote now then?

all they need to do is change a clause in the thing from it being a meaningful vote to a bill on its 2nd reading ... job done. Labour already think bercow has overstepped his reach (they dont want it happening to them in the future)

Also, there is talk that they might vote on part of it .... there are always ways and means.

[Wizard.]

Well they are trying to see if on Monday they can hold a vote on just Mays withdrawal agreement separate from the political declaration to see if it really is the Irish backstop that is causing the problems or if MP’s really want to thwart the will of the people.

[arista]

5PM Live The Leader of the House is going to Give a New Statement

[reece(:]

1111242378801758208

[arista]

1111242378801758208



Yes all Labour MP's say that now.

Remain Parliament
is the fecking problem.

General Election is what we need

[arista]

A.Leadsom (Leader Of The House) [Live In Parliament Now - all media]
has set out a New Motion & Substantially different
Must be taken tomorrow by law
tomorrow . 29th of March


The Speaker has confirmed the Motion has met his tests.


The Labour MP's are getting Angry

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2wvlxqW0AE5VoO.jpg

[arista]

1111317462686056448

[Twosugars]

Blind Brexit Britain :skull:

[bots]

i think i'm correct in saying that if MP's don't vote for the bill tomorrow by 11pm, we are then in a no deal brexit and they have to approve it to extend the timescale

[arista]

Blind Brexit Britain :skull:


You will be OK
I will hold your hand
and Guide you
young sir

[arista]

i think i'm correct in saying that if MP's don't vote for the bill tomorrow by 11pm, we are then in a no deal brexit and they have to approve it to extend the timescale


H. Benn MP
asked if it is approved
for May the 22nd extension
No Other Extension will be Permitted

He Got a Reply
find out tomorrow 9:30AM

[arista]

Under Law they Must do it Tomorrow.

But most of Labour will Vote it down.

[Northern Monkey]

Corbyn said Labour won’t be voting for it.

I don’t think there’s much chance it’s going through.

Voting against Brexit on Brexit day :fist:

[arista]

Corbyn said Labour won’t be voting for it.

I don’t think there’s much chance it’s going through.

Voting against Brexit on Brexit day :fist:


Yes he wants a General Election.

[Sticks]

DUP say No
ERG say No
Labour say No!!

We know what this means since the only Deal offered by the EU will not ever pass

HARD NO DEAL BREXIT BY DEFAULT!!!

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
:spin2: :spin2: :spin2: :spin2: :spin2: :spin2:

Altogether now on the cheery Brexit Song

We're Leaving without a Deal
We're Leaving without a Deal
Ee I Adio
We're Leaving without a Deal

A new age of wealth and prosperity await us all

Anyone disagreeing is an agent of Project Fear

Those nice Brexiteers Farage, Ree-Smog and Borris told us so...

[Smithy]

Sticks your posts are literally just spam and trolling, you say the same thing over and over, it’s boring and irritating. Grow up.

[Beso]

Sticks your posts are literally just spam and trolling, you say the same thing over and over, it’s boring and irritating. Grow up.

Maybe he's just had the same opinion all along? Jeez, you actually felt the need to take the time to type that as well.:hehe:

[Smithy]

Maybe he's just had the same opinion all along? Jeez, you actually felt the need to take the time to type that as well.:hehe:

Call out spamming? Yeah I did

And you took that time to type that, thinking you did something :umm2: try harder sweetie

[Sticks]

Well amid the other discussions people need to be reminded of what is going to happen by default because of party politics

People need to be reminded of how they were lied to by people saying how wonderful it will be and then shutting down counter arguments with accusations of Project Fear and scaremongering

So who were the real trolls?

I am reminded of what Barnier said about those who promoted Brexit with no plan being sent to a special place in Hell

[Smithy]

Well amid the other discussions people need to be reminded of what is going to happen by default because of party politics

People need to be reminded of how they were lied to by people saying how wonderful it will be and then shutting down counter arguments with accusations of Project Fear and scaremongering

So who were the real trolls?

I am reminded of what Barnier said about those who promoted Brexit with no plan being sent to a special place in Hell

Then do it properly with facts and figures, all you’re doing is winding people up and spamming

[Sticks]

Then we have Wimbledon statistics, batting numbers forth and back, and the message gets lost, hence the resort to satire.

Anyone remember Spitting Image?
Link to youtube site (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pos39wWi4E)

kjz1wOTz6GU

[Beso]

Well amid the other discussions people need to be reminded of what is going to happen by default because of party politics

People need to be reminded of how they were lied to by people saying how wonderful it will be and then shutting down counter arguments with accusations of Project Fear and scaremongering

So who were the real trolls?

I am reminded of what Barnier said about those who promoted Brexit with no plan being sent to a special place in Hell

I had a similar discussion in the van with my workmate today, I was telling him how much they have laughed and humiliated us and there is no way we can ever go back because of that. .

[Beso]

Then do it properly with facts and figures, all you’re doing is winding people up and spamming

People is plural mate, and I don't see nobody else moaning.

[Twosugars]

EU laughed and humiliated us? How?

Parm, when will your side grow up and start taking responsibility for their own mess?
It'a always Europe's fault.
Then you'll have a suprise in store when UK is "free" and things you moan about are still unresolved.


PS. Sticks, it was Tusk who said it, not Barnier.

[Beso]

EU laughed and humiliated us? How?

Parm, when will your side grow up and start taking responsibility for their own mess?
It'a always Europe's fault.
Then you'll have a suprise in store when UK is "free" and things you moan about are still unresolved.

You ask how the eu laughed and humiliated us then pointed out to sticks that he had the wrong person with the humiliating comment...



PS. Sticks, it was Tusk who said it, not Barnier.




Please.

[reece(:]

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[reece(:]

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[Greg!]

1111196735613874176

she SNAPPED!

[Jack_]

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Absolutely ****ing RINSED the defaming **** :cheer2: :joker:

[Cherie]

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:joker:

[Sticks]

PS. Sticks, it was Tusk who said it, not Barnier.

Thanks, I forgot about him

Well today is the day Labour votes alongside the DUP to ensure we will leap victoriously clear of the EU unfettered by any scuzzy deals whatsoever

No Deal Hard Brexit will mean a new golden age of - (Well you know the drill)

That song is a very infections ear worm - We're Leaving without a deal...

[arista]

Old MP Sir Bill Cash
has been on his feet for a long time


["The minimum necessary to secure our legal right to an extension is that
this withdrawal agreement is approved."@Geoffrey_Cox says if the deal is rejected today,
a #Brexit extension will depend on a different way forward.]


And the SNP Leader complained
that as soon as he got up to speak
the PM got up and left the house

[arista]

Atku5LWhjog

[Twosugars]

Old MP Sir Bill Cash
has been on his feet for a long time


["The minimum necessary to secure our legal right to an extension is that
this withdrawal agreement is approved."@Geoffrey_Cox says if the deal is rejected today,
a #Brexit extension will depend on a different way forward.]


And the SNP Leader complained
that as soon as he got up to speak
the PM got up and left the house
:laugh:
tbf I don't blame her, Cash is a ****ing loon, always has been

[Vicky.]

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:laugh:

[Greg!]

You have to laugh at the right wingers in the Tory party who described the deal as terrible and turning the UK into a 'slave state' suddenly changing their mind bc they want a shot at being PM. Bunch of shameless, spineless, disgraceful turncoats

[arista]

Today's Vote is around 2:30PM
so far the Treaty Start Up does not yet have enough votes
which means the next date will be Friday 12th of April
the UK is meant to leave.
The EU believes we will leave on "No Deal"
But the UK Remain MP's are not going to allow that.

Meanwhile
A Group of Leave Protesters
from the Walk are gathering in Westminster

[arista]

You have to laugh at the right wingers in the Tory party who described the deal as terrible and turning the UK into a 'slave state' suddenly changing their mind bc they want a shot at being PM. Bunch of shameless, spineless, disgraceful turncoats


Sure but that's Politics
Greg mate

[Sticks]

But the UK Remain MP's are not going to allow that.


They can't stop it

They might as well pass a motion stating the Moon to be made of Purple Cheese, that will have more standing than pronouncements against No Deal.

[Cherie]

I reckon the withdrawal agreement will edge over the line today

[Sticks]

I reckon the withdrawal agreement will edge over the line today
The runes and the numbers say otherwise

[arista]

I reckon the withdrawal agreement will edge over the line today


Its possible


SkyNews Live HD
BBC1HD Special Brexit Vote 2:15PM Sophie Raworth (60mins)
CNN HD Live in Westminster
LBC Live in Westminster
Radio 5 Live in Westminster





The PM is now talking

[arista]

They can't stop it

They might as well pass a motion stating the Moon to be made of Purple Cheese, that will have more standing than pronouncements against No Deal.



But the Current PM
is also saying she will not allow No Deal?

You must have heard that Sticks?

[Denver]

Give them Scotland and we will take Cyprus

[arista]

Give them Scotland and we will take Cyprus



Nice Swap
Adam.

[arista]

Vote due after 2:30PM

SkyNews Live HD
BBC1HD Special Brexit Vote 2:15PM Sophie Raworth (60mins)
CNN HD Live in Westminster
LBC Live in Westminster
Radio 5 Live in Westminster

[Cherie]

The runes and the numbers say otherwise

A long extension then, no deal is off the table

[lime]

But the Current PM
is also saying she will not allow No Deal?

You must have heard that Sticks?

May says alot of things Arista.alot of which is not true.

The fact that some think no deal is down to the HOC is simply not true.There is a very strong feeling amongst the remaining EU countries to either kak or get of the toilet..Of course Ireland for obvious reasons want the WA and Leo did his best in getting an extension for May.I really am not to convinced that the EU will be willing to kick this can further down the road....They all have issues in their own countries and feel too much time and money is being spent on Brexit.

I think of course the EU want a deal but like those in the UK want and need certainty so we can all move on from this

[Northern Monkey]

I reckon the withdrawal agreement will edge over the line today

I’m saying close but no cigar

[arista]

May says alot of things Arista.alot of which is not true.

The fact that some think no deal is down to the HOC is simply not true.There is a very strong feeling amongst the remaining EU countries to either kak or get of the toilet..Of course Ireland for obvious reasons want the WA and Leo did his best in getting an extension for May.I really am not to convinced that the EU will be willing to kick this can further down the road....They all have issues in their own countries and feel too much time and money is being spent on Brexit.

I think of course the EU want a deal but like those in the UK want and need certainty so we can all move on from this


Sure
but we have no choice
we must take the current word
of the Current PM

[arista]

The Vote has LOST


Yes 286
No 344


[14:41

VOTE RESULT

Motion: That this House approves the withdrawal agreement so the UK can leave the EU on 22 May.

Ayes: 286

Noes: 344

Majority: 58]

[Northern Monkey]

Not even close

[arista]

Not even close


Sure Majority of 58

[Northern Monkey]

Well Theresa’s not out on her ear yet

[Northern Monkey]

MV4?

[arista]

MV4?


Corbyn wants a General Election.

[Northern Monkey]

Corbyn wants a General Election.


Would he run on leave or remain?

[arista]

Tusk in the EU has now set a Emergency Summit
for April the 10th

[smudgie]

Would he run on leave or remain?

Depends if he is north or south of the Watford gap at the time.:idc:

[arista]

Would he run on leave or remain?


Leave under his Strange terms.


The SNP also for a General Election.

[arista]

Depends if he is north or south of the Watford gap at the time.:idc:



Yes Labour North England
wants out of the EU

[Cherie]

Depends if he is north or south of the Watford gap at the time.:idc:

:joker:

[Cherie]

Sure Majority of 58

oh well

[bots]

mp's are forcing a no deal brexit while saying they don't want it. They are the only ones to blame, and each and everyone of them should be held accountable

[Glenn.]

No Deal it is.

[arista]

No Deal it is.

But there is a New Emergency EU Summit
on the 10 April. Wednesday

They will offer the PM (whoever that is)
a Long Extension.

[arista]

mp's are forcing a no deal brexit while saying they don't want it. They are the only ones to blame, and each and everyone of them should be held accountable


New EU Summit
2 days before the 12th
Changes what you say.

[Twosugars]

still to come in parliament near you:

Meaningful Vote 4: This Time It's Really Meaningful

[Cherie]

But there is a New Emergency EU Summit
on the 10 April. Wednesday

They will offer the PM (whoever that is)
a Long Extension.


This is what will happen, the MPs have kicked it into the long grass

[reece(:]

Time for a good old revoke :clap1:

[Cherie]

Time for a good old revoke :clap1:

Its suggested May could bring back the vote again next week with a referendum attached :laugh:

She swung 40 her way this week, only 58 to go

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPlrTXEg1qM

Ch4 News has gone live via YouTube



Outside a Sign by a Protesters
says Bollocks to Bercow

[arista]

There are 3 Groups Protest Groups
There

UKIP among them with Tommy Robinson

[The Slim Reaper]

There are 3 Groups Protest Groups
There

UKIP among them with Tommy Robinson

The fact that these are the people aligned to to the leave campaign should really make you think or question their motives, my big green buddy. These and the tories who are trying to make a fortune off it.

[arista]

The fact that these are the people aligned to to the leave campaign should really make you think or question their motives, my big green buddy. These and the tories who are trying to make a fortune off it.



No those Groups are Feck all to do
with me.

[The Slim Reaper]

No those Groups are Feck all to do
with me.

They are your leave bedfellows my friend.

[Twosugars]

As much as I'd love a revoke, it doesn't address the euroscepticsm in the country.
So a second ref is the only way to settle this.
If Leave was to win again, I'd imagine most remainers would shut up and accept it.

[Twosugars]

They are your leave bedfellows my friend.

Arista's bed arrangements revealed? :omgno:

[arista]

They are your leave bedfellows my friend.



Pathetic from you
Thats like saying I am with the KKK.


Fecking Lies

[The Slim Reaper]

Pathetic from you
Thats like saying I am the the KKK.


Fecking Lies

That's quite the confession.

[arista]

That's quite the confession.


This is not a Joke Thread

[arista]

As much as I'd love a revoke, it doesn't address the euroscepticsm in the country.
So a second ref is the only way to settle this.
If Leave was to win again, I'd imagine most remainers would shut up and accept it.


No Parliament is against that,

[Twosugars]

they will come round

the bottom line is they have to settle on something

[Scarlett.]

No Parliament is against that,

Parliament is literally against anything. There is no consensus in the house, if the government cannot make a decision, it falls to the people to do it in their stead.

[bots]

Parliament is literally against anything. There is no consensus in the house, if the government cannot make a decision, it falls to the people to do it in their stead.

that's all well and good but the public are split just as badly as MP's. We vote for MP's to carry out our wishes in parliament, and thats pretty much what they are doing. The other option put forward is a GE, and I don't see it coming out clear cut either. Corbyn is rated lower than May in popularity, and lower than all the other potential tory leaders.

There just isn't an easy solution, and no matter which route is eventually chosen, there will be a significant % of the population pissed off. No-one will get a consensus that is satisfactory for the nation.

I think they should revoke article 50 now and make a commitment to revisit the feasibility in 10 years

[arista]

they will come round

the bottom line is they have to settle on something


No we are going on a Merry Go Round
powered by Nuclear Energy
that they can never Stop.


Blame Dave.

[arista]

that's all well and good but the public are split just as badly as MP's. We vote for MP's to carry out our wishes in parliament, and thats pretty much what they are doing. The other option put forward is a GE, and I don't see it coming out clear cut either. Corbyn is rated lower than May in popularity, and lower than all the other potential tory leaders.

There just isn't an easy solution, and no matter which route is eventually chosen, there will be a significant % of the population pissed off. No-one will get a consensus that is satisfactory for the nation.

I think they should revoke article 50 now and make a commitment to revisit the feasibility in 10 years


Feck That
10 years

[Sticks]

WE ARE LEAVING WITH NO DEAL

Just as I predicted

Emergency EU meeting to make sure they are ready for when we leap victoriously clear of the EU, (Hitler's plan B according to some!!! :rolleyes::bored: ), with no scuzzy deals

Everyone should rejoice as we build a new physical hard border across Northern Ireland, my suggestion is Razor wire as it is cheap and quick to roll out.

[arista]

WE ARE LEAVING WITH NO DEAL

Just as I predicted

Emergency EU meeting to make sure they are ready for when we leap victoriously clear of the EU, (Hitler's plan B according to some!!! :rolleyes::bored: ), with no scuzzy deals

Everyone should rejoice as we build a new physical hard border across Northern Ireland, my suggestion is Razor wire as it is cheap and quick to roll out.


Sure Sticks Except
The New 10th of April Special EU Summit

[Cherie]

Put it back to the people as the MPs are too afraid to leap one way or the other


Two options

Remain as we are

Leave with no Deal

No one is going to agree on Norway minus or Canada plus ....

[Rob!]

Put it back to the people as the MPs are too afraid to leap one way or the other


Two options

Remain as we are

Leave with no Deal

No one is going to agree on Norway minus or Canada plus ....

This. Scared as I am that people will take the wrong decision, it is the simplest pair of options for Parliament to implement.

[Vicky.]

A general election is ridiculous tbh. Plus I hope it does not happen as I can't vote.

Have a feeling Tories may take a few of Labours seats, given how many people have abandoned Labour recently (I could not vote Labour in its current state, and I have always voted for them..) and going by opinion polls.

[Vicky.]

Put it back to the people as the MPs are too afraid to leap one way or the other


Two options

Remain as we are

Leave with no Deal

No one is going to agree on Norway minus or Canada plus ....

Indeed.

I don't quite understand why this hasn't happened, ESPECIALLY when it turns out the leave campaign told so many outright lies and a lot of people (on both sides) didn't even know what they were voting for.

A few leavers I know are horrified at how this has been handled, and terrified of a 'no deal' :umm2: I get that, however..its kind of their fault that this is going on anyway! Turned out a few voted as they thought immigrants would be blocked, all of them. Others for the 350m for the NHS which is desperately needed. One about fishing..even though he's not a fisherman.

Its all so..stupid

[arista]

1111671000083640320


Sure Old Fella.

[Cherie]

This. Scared as I am that people will take the wrong decision, it is the simplest pair of options for Parliament to implement.

I don't know why a second ref is being rejected, if the country really want to leave we will leave, as no one can argue that no one knew what they were voting for and as there has been no mention at all of where the money that goes the the EU is going when we leave we wont have to worry about that :laugh: Farage says leave will win again, why the MPs get to vote over and over and over on the same thing while ignoring half the country asking for the same thing is insane. Also it irritates the life out of me when they keep banging on about 17 million voted to leave and we must honor that while completely ignoring the 16 million who voted to stay

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D20RSpbX0AExnw8.jpg

[arista]

Feck Sake BBCnewsHD
stop showing Sky High shots of the Groups,

CNN HD and SkyNewsHD
at least did interviews with the public.
Live in Westminster

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D212EWIWsAAT6yk.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D213dmUWwAA_hur.jpg

[MP Mark Francois tells Brexit demonstration outside Parliament
“there is a fighting chance that if we hold our nerve in two weeks this country will be free”]
Peston Tweet

[Twosugars]

^ not a happy bunch are they :laugh:

at least us remainers looked more cheerful tho we are meant to be the losers