The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[Northern Monkey]

Probs be another world war before we’re aloud to leave the EU.

[Kizzy]

Proof if any were needed that brexit was orchestrated with the specific objective of advancing the march of the fascist right across the globe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-hungary-sanctions-eu-alliance-populism-right-wing-a8417846.html

[Brillopad]

Proof if any were needed that brexit was orchestrated with the specific objective of advancing the march of the fascist right across the globe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-hungary-sanctions-eu-alliance-populism-right-wing-a8417846.html

That comment sounds pretty damn fascist to me, not to mention extremely paranoid. Today’s controlling far-left are about as fascist as you can get in their attempts to stamp out any opposition to their ideologies by intimidation and force - legislate against free speech, free thought - the lot - control, control and more control - they must get their way. Brexit dares to challenge that and how they hate it.

[kirklancaster]

That comment sounds pretty damn fascist to me, not to mention extremely paranoid. Today’s controlling far-left are about as fascist as you can get in their attempts to stamp out any opposition to their ideologies by intimidation and force - legislate against free speech, free thought - the lot - they must get their way. Brexit dares to challenge that and how they hate it.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well said, Brillo.

The quoted article is nothing more than hyperbolic anti-Brexit tosh.

[arista]

The headline from the i paper.

[Rubbish [B]we are nothing like the Right Wing Hungary Nation]

[kirklancaster]

The headline from the i paper.

[Rubbish [B]we are nothing like the Right Wing Hungary Nation]

Exactly, Arista. Being aligned on one objective does not make us the same in all respects.

[arista]

The Bank Of England
has confirmed they are well prepared for a Walk Away Brexit
(a/k/a Hard Brexit)
£29 Trillion pounds will go through the Financial System
and they are urging the EU to get there side ready by
Friday 11PM 29th March 2019


Ref: Ed Conway outside the Bank Of England
10:44AM (All Out Politics) SkyNewsHD Live


https://news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-takes-swipe-at-eu-over-brexit-11418409

[arista]

-W77154J0-w


Yes Danny Dyer
it is a Riddle to YOU.


This clip has gone Worldwide.
debated on LBC and Radio 5 fast today
will also be on BBC2HD DP today at midday

As for(as Danny calls him) Tosser Dave Cameron
he took a Gamble
but it is not possible to do a referendum
poll in any nation.


Riddle me not
Danny

[bots]

Yes Danny Dyer
it is a Riddle to YOU.


This clip has gone Worldwide.
debated on LBC and Radio 5 fast today
will also be on BBC2HD DP today at midday

As for(as Danny calls him) Tosser Dave Cameron
he took a Gamble
but it is not possible to do a referendum
poll in any nation.


Riddle me not
Danny

he just comes across as an uneducated yob :shrug:

[arista]

he just comes across as an uneducated yob :shrug:


Yes ideal for James O' Brien
Live on LBC.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/

[arista]

Ian Dale of LBC claims this:
The moment when it dawns on Remainers that Danny Dyer actually voted Brexit...

his show stats at 4PM

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/19/01/495CD7AB00000578-5407047-image-m-6_1519002364585.jpg
61 year old Anna Soubry Conservative MP is out of order
her area voted Leave,
yet she want's to remain.

[Kizzy]

That comment sounds pretty damn fascist to me, not to mention extremely paranoid. Today’s controlling far-left are about as fascist as you can get in their attempts to stamp out any opposition to their ideologies by intimidation and force - legislate against free speech, free thought - the lot - control, control and more control - they must get their way. Brexit dares to challenge that and how they hate it.

What comment mine... I'm a fascist and paranoid for agreeing with an article? And you support freedom of thought, speech and expression you say?... hmmm.

[Brillopad]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/19/01/495CD7AB00000578-5407047-image-m-6_1519002364585.jpg
61 year old Anna Soubry Conservative MP is out of order
her area voted Leave,
yet she want's to remain.

Can’t bear the sanctimious cow. Who the hell does she think she is! Sooner we see the back of her the better. Can’t happen soon enough!

[smudgie]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/19/01/495CD7AB00000578-5407047-image-m-6_1519002364585.jpg
61 year old Anna Soubry Conservative MP is out of order
her area voted Leave,
yet she want's to remain.

She is a disgrace, as is my own mp, both constituencies voted leave yet the people that are meant to represent us are doing their best to scupper it.
So much for representing their voters.:fist:

[Maru]

I enjoy watching democracy play itself out :love: Go UK ===33

[arista]

The PM is Live in Parliament
talking about last week in Europe.

But the Labour leader is like a Parrot
he has said nothing at all NEW?

And the SNP is a Parot
nothing new.

The PM is like a robot at times
nothing new.


So now we await Friday 6th of July.
When the PM gets her cabinet and others to AGREE
ON A NEW 3RD WAY?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhQR4nSWkAAhx7V.jpg


From a tweet
He has been saying this for a long time.

[Twosugars]

the same dyson who moved production lines to Malaysia?
now, what's his tax status?

[Twosugars]

wasn't it redwood, another archi-brex****ter who advised some investment fund to disinvest in the UK? lol

[arista]

wasn't it redwood, another archi-brex****ter who advised some investment fund to disinvest in the UK? lol


Yes many are at it.
As its not illegal.

[arista]

the same dyson who moved production lines to Malaysia?
now, what's his tax status?


Yes he made that move plans before Brexit
He pays his UK tax
and is now working on electric cars.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/536x302/skynews-chequers-brexit_4355337.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180707164858
PM taking control.

but many say her Pick and mix
will not work for the EU leaders.

[Kizzy]

I am liking this... sack those hard brexit basts! moggwump and his darkside chums need to sit the feck down.
We want it soft ( I am aware how wrong that sounds) and we want to keep rights protections and justice!!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-citizens-preferential-travel-rights-theresa-may-deal-a8436556.html

[arista]

The White Paper
120 pages is due to come out on Thursday.

Until then
loads of confusion, it appears

[Brillopad]

I am liking this... sack those hard brexit basts! moggwump and his darkside chums need to sit the feck down.
We want it soft ( I am aware how wrong that sounds) and we want to keep rights protections and justice!!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-citizens-preferential-travel-rights-theresa-may-deal-a8436556.html

The Brexit vote made it quite clear we don’t want soft. Currently May seems to be proposing either ‘softer’ or to go straight for hard if not accepted by the EU.

[arista]

2 Brexit ministers have resigned in all
David Davis MP
and
Steve Baker MP

[Underscore]

If there is a leadership challenge I'm fully supporting Sajid Javid.

The thought of Gove or Johnson becoming PM of this country gives me shivers.

[arista]

If there is a leadership challenge I'm fully supporting Sajid Javid.

The thought of Gove or Johnson becoming PM of this country gives me shivers.


good choice

[arista]

Dominic Raab MP is the new Brexit Secretary
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Official_portrait_of_Dominic_Raab_crop_2.jpg/220px-Official_portrait_of_Dominic_Raab_crop_2.jpg


https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-faces-crisis-as-david-davis-resigns-as-brexit-secretary-11430763

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/750x563/skynews-theresa-may-sky-brexit-poll_4357695.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180709165343

[Kizzy]

How i hate being right about everything.... brexit was a backdoor to right wing fascism, as proffered here by, of course.... the times!

Know what I see coming now?... A new BUF.

https://www.indy100.com/article/melanie-phillips-nigel-farage-twitter-uk-prime-minister-brexit-theresa-may-leave-eu-8439161


In The greater Britain, Mosley’s plan for achieving a fascist state was remarkably
orthodox. Mosley believed violent revolution should be avoided, and his visit to
Italy further confirmed this belief. Nicolson paraphrased Mussolini’s advice to
Mosley as a warning “not to try the military stunt in England.”
165 Instead,
Mosley’s approach to gaining power emphasized “loyalty to the crown.”
166 He
wanted to achieve fascism by the simple method of gaining a parliamentary
majority at election.167 With this accomplished, “government will be drastically
altered by the legal constitutional means to which we adhere, in order to provide
the effective instruments of government and of action which modern problems
demand.”168 Mosley explicitly indicated that his movement would work through
the current political system.

These alterations included a retooling of the present House of Commons. Mosley
believed that the inherent fault with the present Parliamentary system lay in the
nature of the electoral system. Instead of judging candidates on their ability to
lead or their technical expertise, constituents voted for those who demonstrated
“assiduity in opening local charity bazaars,” or “lung power at street corners.”169
Representatives therefore focused on achieving success in the political game. As
such, they often did not possess the effective technical knowledge needed to
make policy decisions. In a “vastly technical age,” Mosley believed that this old
system of politics was unworkable.

Mosley demonstrated his “loyalty to the Crown” by
restoring part of the King’s traditional powers.
185 Mosley hoped to assuage
popular fear that a fascist state would lead to a tyrannical regime. To combat this
fear, his system entailed a powerful executive Minister still beholden to the
approval of the people and the King. He thus illustrated that a fascist government
fixated on economic growth need not be a despotic one.
To achieve this growth, Mosley advocated for the necessity of the “corporate
state.” He borrowed this concept from Italian fascism. The Italian Corporate
system or “Corporativismo” mostly allowed for private industry, but intervened
in the interest of the state when necessary.

From 1932-1934, Mosley‟s movement grew steadily. However, in the early
months of 1934 the BUF enjoyed a significant leap in membership. This increase
was largely due to the public endorsement of the BUF by Lord Rothermere. A
well-known conservative newspaper baron with fascist leanings, Rothermere
threw the full support of his newspaper the Daily Mail behind the BUF On
January 8, 1934 Rothermere published an article in the Daily Mail entitled
“Hurrah for the Blackshirts!” praising Mosley‟s movement.219 A few weeks later,
he wrote another article defending the BUF from accusations that Mosley aimed
for a “system of rulership by means of steel whips and concentration camps.”220
In the same article, he also attacked critics of the BUF as “tired alarmists” and
“panic mongers.”221 Rothermere’s continued support did much to legitimize the
movement, and membership skyrocketed.

The London Police “Special
Branch,” responsible for monitoring underground political activities, reported on
May 25 that “the leaders of the Communist Party have definitely decided that
something spectacular must be carried out by members of the organization
against the fascists at Olympia.”236 The plan was for the anti-fascists to locate
themselves in pockets throughout the crowd. Following Mosley‟s introduction,
they would trade off chanting slogans in a pre-determined order. Other
disruptors were to attempt to cut the lighting cables at a particular moment.237
To disguise themselves and spread confusion, Communist Party members
planned to wear black shirts.238

During Mosley‟s speech, groups of interrupters continually shouted such slogans
as “Fascism Means Murder: Down with Mosley” until they were removed.239 As
soon as one group was removed, another would take up the chant. This type of
interruption continued for a whole hour, while Mosley spoke in fits and starts.
Eventually, the stewards succeeded in removing enough objectors to allow the
speech to continue uninterrupted. All told, the Blackshirts forcibly removed
about thirty protesters.240 Still, Mosley managed to complete the speech.
Outside of the Olympia, the police arrested 21 anti-fascist protesters for various
charges of obstruction, public disturbance and refusing to cooperate.241

That night, Mosley appeared on the BBC to discuss the events at Olympia.
Joining him was Gerald Barry, the editor of the News Chronicle, who had been
present at the speech. On the broadcast, Mosley claimed that the Communists
had come with the intent to “shout down free speech.” Armed with weapons,
these disruptors resisted ejection violently. Mosley asked the audience “Now I
put it to you, to your sense of fair play: would you have handled these Reds very
gently?- when you had seen your men kicked in the stomach and slashed with
razors, and your women with their faces streaming in blood?” Gerald Barry, in
contrast, denied seeing any weapons, but testified to seeing interrupters “being
struck on the head, in the stomach, and all over the body with complete absence
of restraint.”


The BUF responded in the press by claiming “Socialists, Communists and Jews
openly organised not only to attack the meetings but to close the streets of
London by violence


https://depts.washington.edu/chid/intersections_Autumn_2010/Bret_Rubin_The_Death_of_British_Fascism.pdf

[arista]

Yes Kizzy
its the Riddle that is endless.
Those Fascists are nothing to do with many of us, of course

The EU will not allow Pick and Mix. (stated from day one)
So the PM needs to go out there, herself.
And stay overnight there

As for The WTO getting out of the EU
everyone is saying she will not have
the numbers to approve it ,in a vote.

The Media is saying the 120 page white paper
is due in 2 days , Thursday.
but it might be on Monday , now ?

[arista]

A couple of Junior
bag carriers have resigned.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-hails-productive-cabinet-meeting-amid-brexit-crisis-11431655

[NEW. More Brexiteers resign to cause max damage for May as she meets Merkel >>>
Maria Caulfield, MP, and Ben Bradley, MP, quit vice chairs of the Party because of their opposition to PM's Chequers policy
4:47 PM - Jul 10, 2018 ]


https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/536x302/skynews-cabinet-meeting-theresa-may-tweet_4358060.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180710103121
The Current Conservative cabinet today

[arista]

[Wetherspoons boss Tim Martin attacks PM's Brexit plan
Tim Martin's company has already begun replacing EU-sourced drinks
with British alternatives as the UK prepares to leave the bloc.]

https://news.sky.com/story/wetherspoon-boss-tim-martin-attacks-pms-brexit-plan-11432934

He does not like her New Plan
tomorrow the 120 paged is due to be released.


[ said: "99% of the benefits of leaving the EU, including the avoidance of
vast financial contributions, the elimination of tariffs and the reacquisition
of fishing rights, need no agreement from any third party.]

[arista]

Dominic Raab MP is new Brexit Secretary
just had his speech stopped.

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/536x302/skynews-dominic-raab-brexit-secretary_4359938.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180712125733

For 5 mins
as not all members
had the 120 page white paper with them.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-brexit-blueprint-to-be-unveiled-in-commons-11434059

Sign Of The Times

[kirklancaster]

How i hate being right about everything.... brexit was a backdoor to right wing fascism, as proffered here by, of course.... the times!

Know what I see coming now?... A new BUF.

https://www.indy100.com/article/melanie-phillips-nigel-farage-twitter-uk-prime-minister-brexit-theresa-may-leave-eu-8439161


In The greater Britain, Mosley’s plan for achieving a fascist state was remarkably
orthodox. Mosley believed violent revolution should be avoided, and his visit to
Italy further confirmed this belief. Nicolson paraphrased Mussolini’s advice to
Mosley as a warning “not to try the military stunt in England.”
165 Instead,
Mosley’s approach to gaining power emphasized “loyalty to the crown.”
166 He
wanted to achieve fascism by the simple method of gaining a parliamentary
majority at election.167 With this accomplished, “government will be drastically
altered by the legal constitutional means to which we adhere, in order to provide
the effective instruments of government and of action which modern problems
demand.”168 Mosley explicitly indicated that his movement would work through
the current political system.

These alterations included a retooling of the present House of Commons. Mosley
believed that the inherent fault with the present Parliamentary system lay in the
nature of the electoral system. Instead of judging candidates on their ability to
lead or their technical expertise, constituents voted for those who demonstrated
“assiduity in opening local charity bazaars,” or “lung power at street corners.”169
Representatives therefore focused on achieving success in the political game. As
such, they often did not possess the effective technical knowledge needed to
make policy decisions. In a “vastly technical age,” Mosley believed that this old
system of politics was unworkable.

Mosley demonstrated his “loyalty to the Crown” by
restoring part of the King’s traditional powers.
185 Mosley hoped to assuage
popular fear that a fascist state would lead to a tyrannical regime. To combat this
fear, his system entailed a powerful executive Minister still beholden to the
approval of the people and the King. He thus illustrated that a fascist government
fixated on economic growth need not be a despotic one.
To achieve this growth, Mosley advocated for the necessity of the “corporate
state.” He borrowed this concept from Italian fascism. The Italian Corporate
system or “Corporativismo” mostly allowed for private industry, but intervened
in the interest of the state when necessary.

From 1932-1934, Mosley‟s movement grew steadily. However, in the early
months of 1934 the BUF enjoyed a significant leap in membership. This increase
was largely due to the public endorsement of the BUF by Lord Rothermere. A
well-known conservative newspaper baron with fascist leanings, Rothermere
threw the full support of his newspaper the Daily Mail behind the BUF On
January 8, 1934 Rothermere published an article in the Daily Mail entitled
“Hurrah for the Blackshirts!” praising Mosley‟s movement.219 A few weeks later,
he wrote another article defending the BUF from accusations that Mosley aimed
for a “system of rulership by means of steel whips and concentration camps.”220
In the same article, he also attacked critics of the BUF as “tired alarmists” and
“panic mongers.”221 Rothermere’s continued support did much to legitimize the
movement, and membership skyrocketed.

The London Police “Special
Branch,” responsible for monitoring underground political activities, reported on
May 25 that “the leaders of the Communist Party have definitely decided that
something spectacular must be carried out by members of the organization
against the fascists at Olympia.”236 The plan was for the anti-fascists to locate
themselves in pockets throughout the crowd. Following Mosley‟s introduction,
they would trade off chanting slogans in a pre-determined order. Other
disruptors were to attempt to cut the lighting cables at a particular moment.237
To disguise themselves and spread confusion, Communist Party members
planned to wear black shirts.238

During Mosley‟s speech, groups of interrupters continually shouted such slogans
as “Fascism Means Murder: Down with Mosley” until they were removed.239 As
soon as one group was removed, another would take up the chant. This type of
interruption continued for a whole hour, while Mosley spoke in fits and starts.
Eventually, the stewards succeeded in removing enough objectors to allow the
speech to continue uninterrupted. All told, the Blackshirts forcibly removed
about thirty protesters.240 Still, Mosley managed to complete the speech.
Outside of the Olympia, the police arrested 21 anti-fascist protesters for various
charges of obstruction, public disturbance and refusing to cooperate.241

That night, Mosley appeared on the BBC to discuss the events at Olympia.
Joining him was Gerald Barry, the editor of the News Chronicle, who had been
present at the speech. On the broadcast, Mosley claimed that the Communists
had come with the intent to “shout down free speech.” Armed with weapons,
these disruptors resisted ejection violently. Mosley asked the audience “Now I
put it to you, to your sense of fair play: would you have handled these Reds very
gently?- when you had seen your men kicked in the stomach and slashed with
razors, and your women with their faces streaming in blood?” Gerald Barry, in
contrast, denied seeing any weapons, but testified to seeing interrupters “being
struck on the head, in the stomach, and all over the body with complete absence
of restraint.”


The BUF responded in the press by claiming “Socialists, Communists and Jews
openly organised not only to attack the meetings but to close the streets of
London by violence


https://depts.washington.edu/chid/intersections_Autumn_2010/Bret_Rubin_The_Death_of_British_Fascism.pdf

Pull your dress down dearie - your egotistical slip is showing. (repetitively on numerous threads for a long time now.)

Though you are FAR from being; "always right" and certainly not "about everything". :laugh:

[arista]

Labour's Keir Starmer
said its very wrong to not allow
members to read the White Paper before the Debate.

Of Course we just had 5mins of the Speaker saying just that.
and Suspending Parliament for another 5mins.

[arista]

The PM is on Marr BBC1HD from 9PM, live today
Explaining her new Brexit plan.

[smudgie]

Theresa May is either being sold down the river, or she is selling us down the river, either way, I reckon she is finished.:shrug:

[Brillopad]

Theresa May is either being sold down the river, or she is selling us down the river, either way, I reckon she is finished.:shrug:

Tend to agree.

[arista]

Theresa May is either being sold down the river, or she is selling us down the river, either way, I reckon she is finished.:shrug:

If they get the 48 vote Letters
then they need around 100 Conservatives against her.
Then its a Internal Election.
but they need to do that fast
as Brexit matters more

[arista]

The PM is Live on BBC1HD now


Marr told her she cut out
David Davis and her dept.

The PM just said for some time she spoke of this new plan.

[Kizzy]

Pull your dress down dearie - your egotistical slip is showing. (repetitively on numerous threads for a long time now.)

Though you are FAR from being; "always right" and certainly not "about everything". :laugh:

How about you forgo the sarcasm for once and address the issue on the post?

[Cherie]

We won’t Brexit in any meaningful way

[Kizzy]

oh my good god... bojo has used the paper he works for ( owned by murdock) to interview STEVE BANNON to say he would make a great PM!!


No.... No right wing conspiracy here!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/14/steve-bannon-boris-johnson-theresa-may-prime-minister

[Brillopad]

We won’t Brexit in any meaningful way

I think that is rather optimistic Cherie - there is quite a lot to suggest we will get a hard Brexit.

[bots]

We will get whatever brexit we get, its still brexit.We will not be part of the EU

[Nicky91]

We will get whatever brexit we get, its still brexit.We will not be part of the EU

and that is good for the UK :love: now i hope my country does a nexit, cause i don't want us to be a part of the EU either

[arista]

oh my good god... bojo has used the paper he works for ( owned by murdock) to interview STEVE BANNON to say he would make a great PM!!


No.... No right wing conspiracy here!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/14/steve-bannon-boris-johnson-theresa-may-prime-minister

Steve Bannon was GMBHD itv live
last week,
no such Conspiracy.

Also Boris is not standing for Leader, as yet,
he is going back to his newspaper column

[Cherie]

I think that is rather optimistic Cherie - there is quite a lot to suggest we will get a hard Brexit.

I just want it done either way it’s just a joke at this stage

[Beso]

A hard brexit will only be harder for the eu than us.

[arista]

A hard brexit will only be harder for the eu than us.



The EU wants to do a deal
we should find out this week
if her new 120 pages is blocked,

[Brillopad]

I just want it done either way it’s just a joke at this stage

Yes I feel the same way. I think most do now..

[Nicky91]

Yes I feel the same way. I think most do now..

not surprising if you all had been waiting so long now

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiN3C7lWAAAx8f9.jpg
Ninth resignation over Theresa May's Brexit plan

Scott Mann is just a
Parliamentary Private Secretary at the Treasury.

So a long way down the chain.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ninth-resignation-over-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-11438505

[Cherie]

The people's vote is coming

[arista]

The people's vote is coming


No it is not


No second referendum 'under any circumstances', Downing Street says
https://news.sky.com/story/live-no-second-referendum-under-any-circumstances-downing-street-11438505

[bots]

i think it's a more likely scenario to have another ref now than it was previously.

If the house of commons can't reach agreement between themselves on how to proceed then it should be a choice that then falls to the people. We will know more in the next week or so.

[Cherie]

No it is not


No second referendum 'under any circumstances', Downing Street says
https://news.sky.com/story/live-no-second-referendum-under-any-circumstances-downing-street-11438505

its not like they ever do a U turn is it :whistle: it's coming

[arista]

its not like they ever do a U turn is it :whistle: it's coming


Referendum
was Explained as one off
back in 2016.
Nothing will change on that.

You do not get it ,Cherie.


There maybe a leader change
but no more referendum.

[bots]

Referendum
was Explained as one off
back in 2016.
Nothing will change on that.

You do not get it ,Cherie.


There maybe a leader change
but no more referendum.

what was said in 2016 means nothing at this point Arista. The referendum voices are growing quickly. It will be inevitable if the parties dont reach agreement on the white paper.

[arista]

what was said in 2016 means nothing at this point Arista. The referendum voices are growing quickly. It will be inevitable if the parties dont reach agreement on the white paper.


Sure
but the PM says No
The Labour Leader says No.

The 120 pages Paper has not even gone to the EU, yet


The MP's are on there last week
then a fecking Holiday


A back bencher Justine
that wants remain has no Authority.
Its Corrupt.

[arista]

Victory for Brexiteers as PM accepts changes to Chequers plan
The latest as the government accepts a series of amendments put forward by a group of eurosceptic Tory MPs.
[Government accepts Brexiteer amendments to trade bill
Downing Street says no second referendum 'under any circumstances'
Former cabinet minister has backed calls for another EU vote
Ninth Tory quits role as Brexiteers pressure May to ditch Brexit plan
More than 100 MPs 'co-ordinating tactics in WhatsApp group']

[reece(:]

Anna SCALPED

1018919534089076736

[Jack_]

The government won the amendment vote by three, and Vince Cable and Tim Farron didn't bother to show up

Poor, poor form for a supposed anti-Brexit party

[Maru]

Anna SCALPED

1018919534089076736

Isn't it common sense that there would be interruptions to some forms of employments before/during/after something like a hard Brexit goes through? I thought the point of making new trade deals, etc was to minimize all that... anyway, sovereignty isn't about jobs and govt officials can do things locally as well (post-deal) to help with market recovery.

So yes, independence eventually will put more control in the hands of the tax-paying citizen, but there would be a major adjustment period I think... anyway, as a voter I would've never thought it would just be clean, cut and dry... seems natural that in order to move towards true independence, there would have to be some sacrifices made in order to achieve that goal in the long-term. The question is, are people willing to make that sacrifice?... and she seems to think she can speak for all folk here, which seems a bit silly since there was a campaign for/against it and millions decided to still quit the EU despite opposition.

[bots]

Isn't it common sense that there would be interruptions to some forms of employments before/during/after something like a hard Brexit goes through? I thought the point of making new trade deals, etc was to minimize all that... anyway, sovereignty isn't about jobs and govt officials can do things locally as well (post-deal) to help with market recovery.

So yes, independence eventually will put more control in the hands of the tax-paying citizen, but there would be a major adjustment period I think... anyway, as a voter I would've never thought it would just be clean, cut and dry... seems natural that in order to move towards true independence, there would have to be some sacrifices made in order to achieve that goal in the long-term. The question is, are people willing to make that sacrifice?... and she seems to think she can speak for all folk here, which seems a bit silly since there was a campaign for/against it and millions decided to still quit the EU despite opposition.

That's why it's big business that is trying to over turn the result. I've never seen such blatant attempts to over turn democracy.

We go through a transition period after leaving the EU, which should be plenty time to set up alternative trade deals, and if it isn't, then the government aren't doing their job.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/FF55/production/_102556356_metro.jpg

Will she be able to Send MP's home for Holidays
a few days before friday? The Parliament Summer Recess

That's outrageous

[arista]

10th MP gone
yesterday:

May suffers yet another resignation as Robert Courts MP quits over her Brexit plan

https://news.sky.com/story/may-suffers-yet-another-resignation-as-robert-courts-quits-over-her-brexit-plan-11438048

[arista]

Yesterday the LibDem Leader and some of his party
were not at the vote.

Today all 12 LibDems are there for the next
6PM & Later votes


Ref: BBC2HD DP today

[arista]

The Government just lost
in Parliament vote.


[VOTE 7 RESULT: Government defeated
The government have lost the vote on Philip Lee's amendment on
the European medicines regulatory network.
305 MPs backed the amendment, with 301 voting against it.]


[House of Commons votes 305 to 301 to approve New Clause 17 of the #TradeBill.
The new clause ensures that it is a negotiating objective for the UK Government
to secure an agreement that allows the UK's continued participation
in the European medicines regulatory network.
6:30 PM - Jul 17, 2018 ]

[18:43
Govt can live with medicines defeat]

[arista]

The Government just won the important vote
by 6 votes.
(4 were leave Labour MP's)
(1 was a suspended Labour MP)

[18:43
VOTE 8 RESULT: Government wins crunch customs vote
The government survives the crunch vote on a customs union.]

[307 MPs voted against the Tory Remainer rebel amendment,
with 301 voting in favour.]

[arista]

Airline CEO's at the
2018 Farnborough Airshow
have been saying they do not want delays on their
products after Brexit.


https://news.sky.com/story/airbus-says-brexit-puts-at-risk-its-40-years-of-success-11439744


Business will find a way around
the Brexit Riddle
(a new term thanks to Danny Dyer
who voted "leave")

[arista]

254 days to go for
29th March 2019 11PM Brexit Deadline day

The PM is Live on SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD
answering questions from the committee
Westminster.

[arista]

Dominic Raab MP is the new Brexit Secretary
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Official_portrait_of_Dominic_Raab_crop_2.jpg/220px-Official_portrait_of_Dominic_Raab_crop_2.jpg


https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-faces-crisis-as-david-davis-resigns-as-brexit-secretary-11430763

He is in Parliament now
and later this afternoon
he goes to Brussels
to ram the new paper plan on their desk.

[Cherie]

He is in Parliament now
and later this afternoon
he goes to Brussels
to ram the new paper plan on their desk.



Is this how you do business Arista, very masterful!

[arista]

Is this how you do business Arista, very masterful!


They have a Dinner First

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/1096x616/skynews-michel-barnier-dominic-raab_4366124.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180719163750
New Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab greets EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier

[Alf]

"How Jacob Rees-Mogg outfoxed remainers and saved Brexit"


rwDi8aZPczY

[arista]

EU Leader Michel Barnier (was live today on both UK News Channels)
he was not able to catch the PM talking live in Northern Ireland..
So he stuck to his Script on Ireland
trying to stay Constructive.


https://news.sky.com/story/eu-negotiator-michel-barnier-hints-brussels-expects-more-brexit-turmoil-in-britain-11443564


Sign Of The Times

[arista]

If due to votes down the road in Sept/Oct/Nov 2018
cause a General Election by error
then it will be like a 2ndReferendum

With Labour not being as a Messed up as the Conservatives,
Of course Labour are ready for this
thinking they will win.

But by then a new party maybe set up
by that time.

Of course it may work out that Brexit also goes through

So at this time the next general election
is 2022 month of may.

[Jack_]

1020781665432502277

What a mess

Oh and Tim Farron was busy talking about gay sex again

[arista]

1020781665432502277

What a mess

Oh and Tim Farron was busy talking about gay sex again


Yes Old Vince with a possible new Party - Not Set Up.
if they set it up.
Labour may not win.

He never went to any Press
so he is sticking with his LibDem party.


Sign Of The Times

[arista]

Michel Barnier Eu chief is live on all news
he understands the 2 year backstop
but wants more talks on it
in Mid August.

Raab MP and Barnier is facing reporters

https://news.sky.com/story/live-latest-round-of-brexit-talks-ends-in-brussels-11449725

Raab demands a timetable
up to the last day 29 march 2019 11PM


Yesterday the PM said she is taking Control
leaving Dominic Raab as number 2.

[arista]

[16:48

Barnier hails security and foreign policy progress
Turning to the recent UK white paper on Brexit, Barnier says Britain's
proposals on security "mark a real step forward".
He welcomes how the UK has "provided new guarantees on protection of fundamental rights",
continued acceptance of the European Convention of Human Rights, and
"recognises the European Court of Justice as the only arbiter of EU law".
Barnier also says he is "particularly pleased with the progress in our talks on foreign policy".]

[17:19
80% of withdrawal agreement complete - Barnier]

[Withano]

50% would support a ‘no deal vs remain’ 2nd referendum, 40% would not, 10% fence

78% thinks the government has done a bad job of brexit, 10% does not, 12% fence

An obvious shift in opinion over the last month. Is brexit really democracy if the tide keeps rapidly turning against leave.

[arista]

Theresa May dismisses calls for second Brexit referendum in wake of Sky Data poll

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-dismisses-calls-for-second-brexit-referendum-in-wake-of-sky-data-poll-11454299

[arista]

On Friday PM May
is to meet with the French President Macron.

And

[“They just cannot get over the result of the first referendum!”
@IainDale hits back at Lord Mandelson after he described "Brextremists” as “nationalists” who “hate foreigners"]


I do not hate Foreigners
So Feck Off New Labour Corrupt Mandelson

[arista]

ULfqhCNHQPA

Recorded in July
he says he is leaving the UK
in Nov.

He says PM Cameron
told lie's.


His Chart has Nicky's Nation
as a higher trust

[arista]

[Nigel Farage back in politics to
challenge Theresa May's Brexit
The Brexiteer and former UKIP leader
says he has been inspired to return
to politics by Theresa May's "Chequers betrayal".]

[The former UKIP leader said he would be part of a battle bus tour by the Leave Means Leave group to oppose the prime minister's proposals.]


He is a MEP
not in our Parliament.


Leave Means Leave Bus
will pop round Selected Zones.
In time for SkyNewsHD "All Out Politics" 10AM start
and the new remixed but still the same Staff
BBC2HD "Politics Live" 11:59AM start


https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-back-in-politics-to-challenge-theresa-mays-brexit-11475417

[arista]

[Ministers plan to take 'moral high ground'
to let EU migrants stay after Brexit
Ministers plan to take the "moral high ground" by unilaterally granting the 3.8 million EU nationals in the UK the right to stay.]

https://news.sky.com/story/ministers-plan-to-take-moral-high-ground-to-let-eu-migrants-stay-after-brexit-11477268

This is what many have been asking before.

[arista]

https://1452858779.rsc.cdn77.org/photo/20180906/f8ccb259-6d31-42fe-81c5-41c98c5d91bd.jpg


A Photographer on Friday
Snapped a Brexit YellowHammer
Document a minister was holding.



I am sorry BBC
you got fooled all the fecking time.
https://e3.365dm.com/18/09/536x302/skynews-boris-may-politics_4410351.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180909113421

[arista]

Brexit: Barnier says agreement possible by early November

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-4547067
He may modify the UK deal
to get it through.

They hate Boris in the EU.

[arista]

Labour would likely vote down any Brexit deal - Emily Thornberry

[She told the Financial Times: "I can't see them coming back with a deal that is going to meet our six tests and I can't see them coming back with a deal that will unite the Tory party...]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-would-likely-vote-down-any-brexit-deal-emily-thornberry-11497431

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6172041/London-mayor-calls-second-referendum-Brexit-Observer.html

London Mayor Khan calls for a delay of Brexit, for a 2nd referendum

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6172041/London-mayor-calls-second-referendum-Brexit-Observer.html

London Mayor Khan calls for a delay of Brexit, for a 2nd referendum


He can say what he wants
No 2nd Referendum
no time for it.

Labour Are Not In Power
irrelevant

[kirklancaster]

He can say what he wants
No 2nd Referendum
no time for it.

Labour Are Not In Power

irrelevant



Well said Arista.

[arista]

Theresa May sticks to her Chequers plan as EU leaders savage it

https://e3.365dm.com/18/09/992x558/skynews-theresa-may-eu-summit_4427736.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180920154604

https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-sticks-to-her-chequers-plan-as-eu-leaders-savage-it-11502897

Most MP's saying her no deal
will not get The VOTES.


This visit she has Failed
like the Former PM did.

[bots]

Theresa May sticks to her Chequers plan as EU leaders savage it


https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-sticks-to-her-chequers-plan-as-eu-leaders-savage-it-11502897

Most MP's saying her no deal
will not get The VOTES.


This visit she has Failed
like the Former PM did.

The brexiteers would have failed too, their intentions diverged from those of the EU even more than May's proposal.

It's time people actually started supporting the government in trying to get a deal rather than criticise and offer nothing constructive in alternative.

[mxhunter]

It's all bollocks. I've said since the moment David Cameron resigned that we should have had an all party coalition as we did during the war, everyone should have united in negotiating Brexit to try and get the best out of it. Instead we've had a Tory government with no idea what the heck to do, an opposition equally unwilling to work with them and pursuing their own party goals instead, the parliament summer recess which I thought was utterly ridiculous given how close Brexit now is. What happened to our British hard working spirit? We used to unite in hard times and work together to pull through.

[arista]

The brexiteers would have failed too, their intentions diverged from those of the EU even more than May's proposal.

It's time people actually started supporting the government in trying to get a deal rather than criticise and offer nothing constructive in alternative.


Thats not the case
What the PM said before Chequers
was going to be done
by the EU
FACT.

[arista]

It's all bollocks. I've said since the moment David Cameron resigned that we should have had an all party coalition as we did during the war, everyone should have united in negotiating Brexit to try and get the best out of it. Instead we've had a Tory government with no idea what the heck to do, an opposition equally unwilling to work with them and pursuing their own party goals instead, the parliament summer recess which I thought was utterly ridiculous given how close Brexit now is. What happened to our British hard working spirit? We used to unite in hard times and work together to pull through.

That's not the British way.
We are where we are.
And we are not in War Time.

[arista]

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Now look Macron
you are out of your Depth.

[arista]

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[Maru]

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That graphic attached to the headline suggesting people "turning their back" on May when she is in the forefront is some pretty weak tea... if anything, they turned their back and she is teasing the viewer? ... while under the sun in a red dress no less... :think: (I'm just criticizing the way the photo was juxtaposed with that one headline, you can ignore me... :spin:)

I don't know have much thought on this development(s). It just seems like Brexit will continue to be dragged out. Really no different than the frustration we experience on a daily basis from the lack of accountability in our Congress on a variety of issue... I miss when actual governing happened in our Capitol and not just fools pandering in front of television cameras and and stealth trolling on Twitter.

[bots]

Thats not the case
What the PM said before Chequers
was going to be done
by the EU
FACT.

lol ... that is not true. If it were true, we would already have an agreement. The reason that May had to come up with the Chequers plan was because there was no agreement.

[Nicky91]

it is a really huge positive thing the brexit, with UK no longer in that messy EU

i had seen the EU meeting last week, well it's just lots of shouting at each other, and Hungary again getting sanctions, Orban proving to have a bit of a dictator in him

and it was mostly talk about economy and refugees

[arista]

lol ... that is not true. If it were true, we would already have an agreement. The reason that May had to come up with the Chequers plan was because there was no agreement.





No because She Changed the Basic Plan.
Ollie Robbins Pathetic Civil Servant

[arista]

Furious Theresa May delivers Brexit ultimatum to EU
https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-deliver-brexit-statement-in-downing-street-following-eu-criticism-11504105


https://e3.365dm.com/18/09/536x302/skynews-theresa-may-brexit-statment_4428853.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180921150407

[arista]

[EU leaders have insisted a Brexit deal remains possible
despite flatly rejecting the Chequers
proposal put forward by Theresa May
during an acrimonious summit in Salzburg.
The prime minister endured a brutal
reception from the national newspapers
upon her return to London, with her
treatment in the Austrian city
widely seen as a "humiliation".]

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-tells-theresa-may-brexit-deal-still-possible-despite-chequers-rejection-11504825

Sack Ollie Robbins
the Stupid Civil Servant
that did her stupid plan.

No 2nd Vote.
So shut the feck up you remoaners.
And all that are now old enough to vote
you get your Turn when you are older





Also a 2nd Vote for the Labour Party is for a General Election



Life In The City

[arista]

Saturday 22/9/18 Front Pages

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[arista]

A couple more Front Pages.

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[lime]

A couple more Front Pages.

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Arista I'm not sure what point you are trying to make showing some front pages doesn't tell me your opinion....only their's.


There has been many insutling comment's coming from both sides...but as an Irish/South African and considering all we have come through......this is the first time after the troubles /Apartheid when I know this isn't going to end well...

[arista]

Arista I'm not sure what point you are trying to make showing some front pages doesn't tell me your opinion....only their's.


There has been many insulting comment's coming from both sides...but as an Irish/South African and considering all we have come through......this is the first time after the troubles /Apartheid when I know this isn't going to end well...

Yes I posted all those Front pages to give a taste
of yesterdays Rage.

I think Macron in France is wrong
to speak on our internal battles.
He is now Hated more than Trump is.

My Own View has not changed
we are leaving the EU
as it was a democratic vote
in 2016.

[bots]

I don't see why anyone is surprised by the behaviour of the EU toward Britain. It's that intransigence that forced many to vote for Brexit in the first place.

[lime]

Yes I posted all those Front pages to give a taste
of yesterdays Rage.

I think Macron in France is wrong
to speak on our internal battles.
He is now Hated more than Trump is.

My Own View has not changed
we are leaving the EU
as it was a democratic vote
in 2016.

You are posting newspaper headline opioion's which I will take a guess at are simular to your own....

Macron is more hated than Trump?


Really Arista ....you Know that's not true

[lime]

I don't see why anyone is surprised by the behaviour of the EU toward Britain. It's that intransigence that forced many to vote for Brexit in the first place.

I really hate the use of the word "bully" being thrown around.


May wasn't bullied ....She was told from the get go that chequers was a starting point of which we could negotiate from .



Now I see the British Media are saying she was ambushed :shrug::shrug:


Even her own goverment don't agree with chequers

How does one deal with something from one party when some in that party say they will change the agreement at a later date

[arista]

You are posting newspaper headline opioion's which I will take a guess at are simular to your own....

Macron is more hated than Trump?


Really Arista ....you Know that's not true


No The Papers are not my view.

It is true Trump has more Support
in his own nation,
and now Macron has upset the Farmers
and so many workers in France
he is hated more.

Euronews Ch 6PM show showed the numbers, last week
I was amazed as he was doing so well.

Its a Great 6PM Euronews show with presenters
and a former skynews reporter

I used to have Wolf on CNNHD at 6PM, but they got rid of his show. I also have FoxNewsHD live on one my desktop computers

[lime]

No The Papers are not my view.

It is true Trump has more Support
in his own nation,
and now Macron has upset the Farmers
and so many workers in France
he is hated more.

Euronews Ch 6PM show showed the numbers, last week
I was amazed as he was doing so well.

Its a Great 6PM Euronews show with presenters
and a former skynews reporter

I used to have Wolf on CNNHD at 6PM, but they got rid of him. I also have FoxNewsHD live on one my desktop computers
I really don't get your need to refer to Fox /CNN news


surely like me...you listen to Those around you ?And how this is going to affect them?

[arista]

I really don't get your need to refer to Fox /CNN news


surely like me...you listen to Those around you ?And how this is going to affect them?


I have business connections with USA
so I monitor whats going on.
Of Course in the UK Ch4HD news
and SkyNewsHD are a great informers.
It was great when they connected at Election Times
Ch4news using Jeremy Paxman (who left Newsnight)


I also check France24HD, GMBHD itv
Al JazeeraHD, BloombergHD and CNBC
and BBCnewsHD

[lime]

I have business connections with USA
so I monitor whats going on.
Of Course in the UK Ch4HD news
and SkyNewsHD are a great informers.
It was great when they connected at Election Times
Ch4news using Jeremy Paxman (who left Newsnight)


I also check France24HD, GMBHD itv
Al JazeeraHD, BloombergHD and CNBC
and BBCnewsHD

You can monitor any global news chanell you want Arista.


That does not reflect the feeling on the ground.....


It's over 2yrs since the Brexit vote and the general feeling here in Ireland is that we have have been insulted by the Uk.

I don't beleive Theresa May is calling the shot's on this Island.


Arlene Foster is


Again it will not end well when that corupt bint is calling the shot's for Ireland

[arista]

You can monitor any global news channel you want Arista.


That does not reflect the feeling on the ground.....


It's over 2yrs since the Brexit vote and the general feeling here in Ireland is that we have have been insulted by the Uk.

I don't beleive Theresa May is calling the shot's on this Island.


Arlene Foster is


Again it will not end well when that corupt bint is calling the shot's for Ireland



Yes but with FoxNewsHD and CNN HD
you get 2 clear views. One for Trump . One Against Everything Trump does.



A. Foster
has a part as her N.Ireland is the problem,
PM T. May was a Utter Fool to trust Civil Servant
Ollie Robbins his white paper is no good.

So a Modified paper being done right now
But that no good worker O.Robbins
is as the bad as the 2 feckers ,she fired,
who advised her to call a Snap Election in 2017.

[Maru]

The cable networks (the trashiest of journalism here imo) effectively operate as wings of the Democratic/Republican platform, so they are good to watch if we want to know the latest spin.... but that's about it. I rarely watch cable news now and I know very few people who do anymore. I think Fox is the highest rated, but it only gets 2-3 million... which isn't much. Cable is struggling here because of the cord-cutters... but a lot of registered voters (especially the older crowd) still watch cable news, so at least for now they are relevant because they are still seen as a "direct line" to the party platform/base.

I like that arista gives us the front page of things (variety is good :love:), because 1) I don't have access to that myself here and 2) It's interesting to see what different media are writing on a topic... it doesn't have to line with our own view to be "news-worthy". I work in a communications field for living, and I feel if that person is a business-type person, it pays loads to know what the "talk" on the street is... these headlines are being read by millions and millions of people... so through interest, it's generating more of the same and obviously someone reads it...

I read a lot of propaganda on both sides, admittedly, and it's been very telling to see what is drawing in the most passionate views. Says a lot about the condition of discourse in this country.... though, my opinion, of all the sources, the worst one for awareness is social media... it's algorithm-based, tracks your search history both on site and off (thanks Google) and produces a pseudo-echo-chamber meant to keep people clicking... if I wanted to preserve my own thoughts on things, that's the one I would drop... propaganda gets repetitive after a while and then it starts to parody satire... but social media is more insidious with (edit) how it treats our information, encourages our dependence on it and will show/display data based on past behavior...

I also changed my search provider from Google to something that doesn't track... and I get a much more diverse selection of media, including things that are not necessarily "trending". So I see opinions I would not have seen before, including on topics that are not often discoursed. Google was very much giving me mostly one view and pushing those to the top of the stack... so much so, I will not use it for news ever again. I actually run my own RSS server so I can pull from different sources at the same time instead of going for a wild-goose hunt... very easy to get an RSS feed these days with how many sites are dependent on Wordpress and it's just a matter of editing the url a little bit...

[arista]

"I like that arista gives us the front page of things"

Thank You Maru

[lime]

Yes but with FoxNewsHD and CNN HD
you get 2 clear views. One for Trump . One Against Everything Trump does.



A. Foster
has a part as her N.Ireland is the problem,
PM T. May was a Utter Fool to trust Civil Servant
Ollie Robbins his white paper is no good.

So a Modified paper being done right now
But that no good worker O.Robbins
is as the bad as the 2 feckers ,she fired,
who advised her to call a Snap Election in 2017.

Arista I know you would never intenionally insult Irish people....but because these negotians are so sensitive ...lanunage is key



I'm sure you don't mean it but to say " her N Ireland"when referring to A Foster is most insulting.


N Ireland voted to remain and the DUP are certainally not a majority party and most importanitly they do not reflect the opinion of the vast amount of NI citizens.

[arista]

Arista I know you would never intenionally insult Irish people....but because these negotians are so sensitive ...lanunage is key



I'm sure you don't mean it but to say " her N Ireland"when referring to A Foster is most insulting.


N Ireland voted to remain and the DUP are certainally not a majority party and most importanitly they do not reflect the opinion of the vast amount of NI citizens.


Yes they did
but not everyone voted remain
some in N.Ireland voted leave.

The DUP did the the Deal with T.May
so they got cash bonus.

I have no insulting
in my reply.

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn says Labour will support PM
if she gets 'sensible' Brexit deal

https://news.sky.com/story/live-jeremy-corbyn-to-address-labour-conference-11509233

But the EU
says no messing with the Custom Union. It means a hard border every port.
Turkey has a Custom Union.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6228497/British-planes-wont-able-land-EU-Brexit-goes-wrong-pets-face-four-day-quarantines.html

it seems UK isn't well informed about the negative consequences of a brexit for them, and also according to Juncker it won't go as fast as the British are hoping it would

[smudgie]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6228497/British-planes-wont-able-land-EU-Brexit-goes-wrong-pets-face-four-day-quarantines.html

it seems UK isn't well informed about the negative consequences of a brexit for them, and also according to Juncker it won't go as fast as the British are hoping it would

So the EU are happy to stop tourism from the UK then, apart from the pets of course, who must pop on the train or walk through the tunnel.:joker:
Stopping all those from the EU flying here as well...I don’t think so.

[Nicky91]

So the EU are happy to stop tourism from the UK then, apart from the pets of course, who must pop on the train or walk through the tunnel.:joker:
Stopping all those from the EU flying here as well...I don’t think so.

no Juncker just thinks the british aren't informed about all the consequences of a brexit

happy to stop tourism, rules are just rules, if you aren't in the EU you should use a plane from a company in the EU and not UK based airplane companies

brexit could happen yes, but not as soon as the people would want it to, it is way more complicated than everyone in UK thinks he said

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6228497/British-planes-wont-able-land-EU-Brexit-goes-wrong-pets-face-four-day-quarantines.html

it seems UK isn't well informed about the negative consequences of a brexit for them, and also according to Juncker it won't go as fast as the British are hoping it would

Thast's "IF"
it goes wrong.


So a Scare Story "Project Fear"

[Nicky91]

Thast's "IF"
it goes wrong.


So a Scare Story "Project Fear"

no, just something simple being honest and truthful to the british people

because you can only think about the positives for Brexit but you should also know the negative consequences for Brexit

[Livia]

no Juncker just thinks the british aren't informed about all the consequences of a brexit

happy to stop tourism, rules are just rules, if you aren't in the EU you should use a plane from a company in the EU and not UK based airplane companies

brexit could happen yes, but not as soon as the people would want it to, it is way more complicated than everyone in UK thinks he said


This gives the impression that no one in the UK knows how complicated Brexit it, and we need that little clique of mostly men to educate us. Those (mostly) men, all sticking together, terrified that if the UK gets a good deal then other countries will want to leave. Europeans aren't well informed about Brexit either. For instance, one in seven German cars made are sold in the UK. If we don't have a deal, Germany won't be exporting those cars. Similarly, the UK imports all kinds of stuff from Europe, food, tech, machinery, wine and champagne... even tulips from Amsterdam. None of that stuff will be exported.

The European Union have acted quite unfairly so far, and the snubbing of the British leader by all those silly men looked far worse for them than it looked for May.

We want to leave, it's in everyone's best interests for a deal to be struck.

[Livia]

no, just something simple being honest and truthful to the british people

because you can only think about the positives for Brexit but you should also know the negative consequences for Brexit

... and the negative consequences for Europe, don't forget, if we don't get a deal.

[Nicky91]

This gives the impression that no one in the UK knows how complicated Brexit it, and we need that little clique of mostly men to educate us. Those (mostly) men, all sticking together, terrified that if the UK gets a good deal then other countries will want to leave. Europeans aren't well informed about Brexit either. For instance, one in seven German cars made are sold in the UK. If we don't have a deal, Germany won't be exporting those cars. Similarly, the UK imports all kinds of stuff from Europe, food, tech, machinery, wine and champagne... even tulips from Amsterdam. None of that stuff will be exported.

The European Union have acted quite unfairly so far, and the snubbing of the British leader by all those silly men looked far worse for them than it looked for May.

We want to leave, it's in everyone's best interests for a deal to be struck.

okay thanks for enlightening me on this, but i just don't hope UK is gonna be against every other european country now

[arista]

Boris Johnson
said Chuck Chequers
in a Fringe Main Hall ( Conservative Party conference in Birmingham, UK)
Packed with people, more support than the PM.

He still backs the PM
but she must go back to her original plan

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-theresa-mays-plan-for-brexit-is-an-outrage-11515288

[Nicky91]

i think a Brexit is also good, like you don't need to pay anything to the EU anymore, so saving a lot of money which can be used for many different things inside the UK

[arista]

The PM just did a hour speech
( Conservative Party conference in Birmingham, UK)
the script writers removed the "Chequers " word.

But she has still has not modified HER mess.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-bids-to-reassert-authority-in-tory-conference-speech-11516057

[arista]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2018/07/25/TELEMMGLPICT000170203274_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqECnBSB4 T3tw7hRvCORLehRGhR0WeDOrdZfKCs80fXQE.jpeg?imwidth= 450

fecking Olly Robbins
the Civil Servant who Fecked UP Brexit.


As a Civil Servant
he never talks to the Press.


Meanwhile
Brexit secretary Dominic Raab flies out for unscheduled Brexit talks

A face-to-face meeting is taking place ahead of a summit
where both sides will be hoping to sign off on a draft agreement.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-secretary-dominic-raab-to-meet-chief-eu-negotiator-michel-barnier-in-brussels-tonight-11525889

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275859/Boris-Johnson-calls-stand-bullies-Brexit.html

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275859/Boris-Johnson-calls-stand-bullies-Brexit.html

The Problem
is Boris left the Cabinet.


https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/QWXlAfTArCJFKMafGC22vQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/jkdCFQRWToayQBvda4hO_Metro.JPG

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-6281097/France-says-Brexit-deal-possible-preparation-underway-no-deal-too.html

LUXEMBOURG, Oct 16 (Reuters) - A deal on Brexit is still possible and remains the best scenario, but France is preparing all measures in case there is no deal, including border checks at the English Channel tunnel, the French minister for European Affairs said on Tuesday. "We want a good deal and we think it is possible," Nathalie Loiseau told reporters at a meeting of EU ministers in Luxembourg which will also discuss Brexit.
But she added France was also preparing for a failure of the Brexit talks and had already made legislative proposals to take all necessary measures in case of a no deal, including on border checks at the Channel tunnel and for British citizens in France and French citizens in Britain.

[arista]

Yes tomorrow (Weds 17th)
Our PM
goes to a meeting /dinner in Brussels

But the EU is refusing to change their Red Lines.


Also
Theresa May told to 'take responsibility' for Brexit talks stalling
Germany and France warn a deal will likely not be reached this week,
with suggestions it could be pushed back to December.
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-told-to-take-responsibility-for-brexit-talks-stalling-11527050

[Nicky91]

dutch PM Mark Rutte more cautiously optimistic towards the brexit deal

[arista]

Our Pathetic PM
wants to Kick it , yet again into the long grass,
back to December for the Signing.
Also a Extra year backstop 2021 costing more Billions of pounds wasted
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-deal-timeline-slips-again-as-eu-scraps-plan-for-november-summit-sign-off-11528362

Ref: SkyNewsHD live


She is in Brussels
for her 20mins, soon.
No Joint Dinner for her
The 27 nations eat without the going out nation,
which is fair

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6289567/May-faces-storm-mad-plan-UK-stay-lashed-EU-year.html

this is the article in the DM about what you said arista

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/18/09/5155484-6289567-image-a-26_1539851588109.jpg

yes its all going wrong

[Nicky91]

how is it going wrong, the brexit is gonna come anyway :conf:

[arista]

how is it going wrong, the brexit is gonna come anyway :conf:

This Pathetic PM keeps kicking
Brexit down the road,
the next official date of our General Election
is May Month 2022,
it means if the Labour Party win that
they could reverse the referendum
if its still in a log up.


Its costing the UK much more yo stay in the EU from 2020
This PM and her Civil Servant
have fecked it all UP.

[Nicky91]

This Pathetic PM keeps kicking
Brexit down the road,
the next official date of our General Election
is May Month 2022,
it means if the Labour Party win that
they could reverse the referendum
if its still in a log up.


Its costing the UK much more yo stay in the EU from 2020
This PM and her Civil Servant
have fecked it all UP.

so this means a brexit could still happen but then later than expected :think:

[arista]

so this means a brexit could still happen but then later than expected :think:


Yes
Costing too much


https://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-back-at-eu-summit-after-no-brexit-progress-11528468
its her FECK UP

[arista]

[Tory MP Johnny Mercer rips into own party and government 's**tshow']

[He is currently on Ch4HD Hunted celebrity series.
stand up for cancer ]

He is very angry at the PM.
Extending and Kicking it down the road

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-johnny-mercer-mp-rips-into-own-party-and-government-stshow-11529113


https://e3.365dm.com/18/10/536x302/skynews-leave-remain-facebook_4458319.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181020073353

[Nicky91]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2018/oct/20/peoples-vote-march-london-second-referendum-brexit-live

protesters demand new referendum

[arista]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2018/oct/20/peoples-vote-march-london-second-referendum-brexit-live

protesters demand new referendum


They can feck Off

No 2nd vote at all.

The PM has confirmed yesterday
No 2nd referendum permitted

[Nicky91]

They can feck Off

No 2nd vote at all.

The PM has confirmed yesterday
No 2nd referendum permitted

i think it will be either 2020 or 2022 for the brexit

[arista]

i think it will be either 2020 or 2022 for the brexit


Yes Guess away
but today at this time we leave 29 March 2019 11PM

[Nicky91]

Yes Guess away
but today at this time we leave 29 March 2019 11PM

that's fine, anyway our dutch king will be also discussing the brexit with queen elizabeth during his visit in the UK

for the dutch people living and working in the UK how a brexit will affect them, cause UK and Netherlands have been closely working together for a long while now

we aren't against the brexit, our PM is cautiously optimistic about it

[Cherie]

They can feck Off

No 2nd vote at all.

The PM has confirmed yesterday
No 2nd referendum permitted

Like she has never done a u turn :fan:

[arista]

Like she has never done a u turn :fan:


This is not about a U turn
its locked into by law.
Her 2017 General Election was her biggest error.
You are Sadly Deluded.

And some Good news from France:
[The French president dismissed suggestions UK travellers might be denied visas
to visit France as "fake news".]

[Nicky91]

This is not about a U turn
its locked into by law.
Her 2017 General Election was her biggest error.
You are Sadly Deluded.

And some Good news from France:
[The French president dismissed suggestions UK travellers might be denied visas
to visit France as "fake news".

it does confirm that the EU just had those scare tactics, but still the 2nd referendum what these 700.000 protesters want might also be because they are feeling scared of the brexit, more likely caused by the EU

anyway, our dutch king has said about brexit ''very sad that you are leaving us, but we fully respect your decisions'' today our king will visit some of the poor communities in the UK, and later he will also give a press conference where the media can ask any questions

[arista]

29 March 2019 11PM
is the date will are no longer a member of the EU
but nothing will change,
As then Trade deals are then Negotiated
over 2 years or more.


But the General Election is set for 2022 May month
so all that Trade Deals must be done before that.

This is why there is so much Anger
at the PM's plan.

[arista]

[EU says European firms
can still use UK clearing houses in 'no deal' Brexit]

http://www.cityam.com/267746/eu-says-european-firms-can-still-use-uk-clearing-houses-no

No One wants a no deal,
but so many are getting things ready

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-6337145/13-Brexit-themed-memes-Halloween-scary-relatable.html

another brexit related article in the dailymail, this time a bit more fun, brexit themed memes Halloween scary relatable :D

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2018/10/citizens-rights-should-be-guaranteed-regardless-of-brexit/

Citizen rights should be guaranteed, regardless of Brexit

[Withano]

Fully recommend the channel 4 thing last night if you wanna watch Farage get destroyed

Channel 4 done the biggest poll in the UK since the referendum, 54% of 20,000 people voted remain. Farage looked like a baffoon throughout the entire show.

[Withano]

Then https://fournews-assets-prod-s3-ew1-nmprod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2018/11/survey2016.png

Now https://fournews-assets-prod-s3-ew1-nmprod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2018/11/survey2018.png

Yellow being remain

[Nicky91]

:o

woops, most want to remain now

[arista]

:o

woops, most want to remain now


They should have Voted in 2016.

No 2nd vote/

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/U10yragEE00uw7X48AZPWA/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/q6RjGj4yTtjfCPbztf4s_Telegraph.JPG

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/K-91ae52zt_HzlN6ESTkAw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/mSwo7ZMTc6A8gH1hqyNK_Sunday%20Times.JPG


2 of Today's paper
not happy with the PM.



Meanwhile the Labour Leader
said yesterday Brexit can not be stopped

[user104658]

Honestly all tit-for-tat aside, I think we might all be in more trouble than people actually appreciate.

[arista]

Honestly all tit-for-tat aside, I think we might all be in more trouble than people actually appreciate.


Sure
but we still have to await the PM and her 2nd draft deal.

[arista]

A good point just made
on LBC Live Brexit Debate
is as you leave a Club you do not demand
to change it.

Meaning you leave
and the EU will stay the same
but without the UK as part of that club.



That all made sense.

[arista]

A text brexit deal has been agreed
by the PM and EU.


But tonight the PM is having MP's brought in one by one
needs to be signed off by her cabinet by tomorrow.
after PMQ's


https://news.sky.com/story/ministers-summoned-to-downing-street-to-see-brexit-agreement-text-11553420

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6386435/PM-told-days-numbered-battles-historic-Brexit-deal-cabinet.html

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6386435/PM-told-days-numbered-battles-historic-Brexit-deal-cabinet.html


There is no official leak of it.

After PMQ's today at 2PM to around 6pm
the cabinet debate it.


135 days time
we are meant to leave.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/11/14/09/article-6386435-6164640-836_964x544.jpg

[Alf]

A text brexit deal has been agreed
by the PM and EU.


But tonight the PM is having MP's brought in one by one
needs to be signed off by her cabinet by tomorrow.
after PMQ's


https://news.sky.com/story/ministers-summoned-to-downing-street-to-see-brexit-agreement-text-11553420Last PM to bring MP's in one by one was Mrs Thatcher, she resigned the next day.

[arista]

Last PM to bring MP's in one by one was Mrs Thatcher, she resigned the next day.


Yes not a good sign.

[Nicky91]

i think a no deal brexit is worse for the public, so cabinet should be glad May had reached a deal with the EU

what does it matter anyway, the brexit will happen either way

[arista]

i think a no deal brexit is worse for the public, so cabinet should be glad May had reached a deal with the EU

what does it matter anyway, the brexit will happen either way


Yes
but she has to have the Full cabinet backing her,
so we should find out soon.

update: its still going on. 6:52PM

[arista]

The PM just confirmed the cabinet
backed her new plan.

Live all media

[Braden]

The PM just confirmed the cabinet
backed her new plan.

Live all media

Not lightly, however.

[arista]

Not lightly, however.


Sure
we need to find out if any resigned

[Scarlett.]

Having read the general overview about this deal... what do we actually gain from Brexit?

[MTVN]

Just support the bloody deal, let's get this over with

[Tom4784]

Having read the general overview about this deal... what do we actually gain from Brexit?

Leave voters get to feel smug before they realised they shot themselves in the foot by electing a **** government to handle it all?

[arista]

Just support the bloody deal, let's get this over with



Many are saying
no way.

The PM is to talk in Parliament today
it rumbles on......................

[arista]

First Resignation over this

Northern Ireland Sec S. Vira MP

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/1239E/production/_104345647_sun15.jpg


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/2C5A/production/_104345311_gu15.jpg


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/054A/production/_104345310_i15.jpg

[Cherie]

Just support the bloody deal, let's get this over with

Yes

[Nicky91]

nothing wrong with this deal if you ask me, the EU people living in britain do have rights

also nice after 5 hours May and the cabinet came to that deal, bit unexpected for me as i thought most in cabinet could be opposed to that deal that was my worry


and yes let's get this over with already

[joeysteele]

I don't think it should he supported just to get on with it because time is running short.
This PM has fuelled more division and procrastinated so much as to brexit, that she has caused this uncertainty and distrust.

This agreement seems a carrying on of, 'this for a time, that for a time, a wait and see scenario as to what transpires scenario' from Mrs May.

It seems to please in part and divide in part too.
It seems she still listens to no one really and has spent the last 2 years and 5 months now, failing to really grasp what was the best way to follow the road on in leaving.
Even wasting time on a general election in the process.

If an MP would I support this, no, not as it stands.
For me it will leave an already divided Country as divided as before and not sure really when or what will be the full severance year or possibly decade from the EU.
Now Dominic Raab has resigned too.
So much for Cabinet backing her.
He's her already 2nd brexit secretary to resign.

[smudgie]

I don't think it should he supported just to get on with it because time is running short.
This PM has fuelled more division and procrastinated so much as to brexit, that she has caused this uncertainty and distrust.

This agreement seems a carrying on of, 'this for a time, that for a time, a wait and see scenario as to what transpires scenario' from Mrs May.

It seems to please in part and divide in part too.
It seems she still listens to no one really and has spent the last 2 years and 5 months now, failing to really grasp what was the best way to follow the road on in leaving.
Even wasting time on a general election in the process.

If an MP would I support this, no, not as it stands.
For me it will leave an already divided Country as divided as before and not sure really when or what will be the full severance year or possibly decade from the EU.
Now Dominic Raab has resigned too.
So much for Cabinet backing her.
He's her already 2nd brexit secretary to resign.


I reckon she is finished Joey.
A right hash up of it all round.
I just can’t see a way forward for her, it’s only the fear of a general election that has saved her this past 6 months or so.:shrug:
Time for a change.

[arista]

nothing wrong with this deal if you ask me, the EU people living in britain do have rights

also nice after 5 hours May and the cabinet came to that deal, bit unexpected for me as i thought most in cabinet could be opposed to that deal that was my worry


and yes let's get this over with already


5 MP's resigned , so far ,


The PM is Live now all media
In Parliament.

[Cherie]

I reckon she is finished Joey.
A right hash up of it all round.
I just can’t see a way forward for her, it’s only the fear of a general election that has saved her this past 6 months or so.:shrug:
Time for a change.




Jeremy is coming

[Cherie]

Her deal, no deal or no Brexit which lets face it would be the easiest option at this stage :hehe:

[Nicky91]

[/B]


Jeremy is coming

https://media.tenor.co/images/e87d01bb8fcc8c506a0449dfdc3366a0/raw

oh no :worry:

[arista]

Her deal, no deal or no Brexit which lets face it would be the easiest option at this stage :hehe:


Yes perfect for you

[arista]

[/B]


Jeremy is coming


Not yet
first is "a possible" Internal conservative Leader Election
once they get the big votes against her.

[Nicky91]

at this rate with the moans we'll still be discussing by the end of next year


just accept her deal and get this over with, the brexit is happening anyway

[mxhunter]

at this rate with the moans we'll still be discussing by the end of next year


just accept her deal and get this over with, the brexit is happening anyway

We will still be discussing Brexit by the end of next year whether we accept the deal or not?

[arista]

at this rate with the moans we'll still be discussing by the end of next year


just accept her deal and get this over with, the brexit is happening anyway


Yes it should be

[Cherie]

Yes perfect for you

:hee: was in Spain last week and there are alot of previously 'out' voters now very nervous...

[Cherie]

Not yet
first is "a possible" Internal conservative Leader Election
once they get the big votes against her.

Boris then :idc:

[arista]

Boris then :idc:


No no one wants him

[arista]

Jacob was Live
on SkyNewsHD
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsDFIKzXcAAJIQh.jpg

In the Background
a Public Nutter is shouting Stop Brexit


Jacob said he can Shout all he wants
that's our Democracy.

[arista]

:hee: was in Spain last week and there are alot of previously 'out' voters now very nervous...


Sure they need to know hey are safe
in getting their money.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsDAeNTWwAcCMtY.jpg

[Withano]

Just support the bloody deal, let's get this over with

Fun. Like a dictatorship.

[arista]

Fun. Like a dictatorship.


Feck Me New Labour
did the same When G. Brown took over
he was to scared to have a Election,

This PM did a Election 2017
caused a Hung Parliament
and was saved by DUP
who loved her cash.

[Nicky91]

Farage was just at BBC news

[arista]

Farage was just at BBC news


He is Now on SkyNewsHD

[MTVN]

Just confirmed that Gove is staying put

[arista]

[Stephen Barclay MP is the new Brexit secretary,
Downing Street announces]

http://images.archant.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.2180309.1369329875!/image/2040437537.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/2040437537.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barclay

[Nicky91]

spain threatens to vote no to brexit over Gibraltar

https://www.dw.com/en/spain-threatens-to-vote-no-on-brexit-deal-over-gibraltar/a-46373546

[arista]

spain threatens to vote no to brexit over Gibraltar

https://www.dw.com/en/spain-threatens-to-vote-no-on-brexit-deal-over-gibraltar/a-46373546


This was to be Expected
Spain is under the EU control
so it can be sorted

Today the UK PM is going to Brussels by 4:30PM

[arista]

The LBC Political Reporter
says Ian Duncan Smith
is backing the PM's deal now.

Shouting at the Romford MP at today's PMQ's
IDS said "Has he read it , yet?"

So the UK Parliament Vote is in a few weeks
now could get a backing
IF more Conservative change their mind

[Nicky91]

what does this all mean? cause i did hear the ''no brexit at all scenario'' from some who are opposed to May her deal

[arista]

what does this all mean? cause i did hear the ''no brexit at all scenario'' from some who are opposed to May her deal


Yes that's a mess of a statement she made.


It will all be down to the numbers she converts
before the Vote in parliament
around the 2nd week of December , now

[Nicky91]

a huge mess this whole brexit

[arista]

a huge mess this whole brexit


Yes many say it is only due to PM May.


Even today on All Out Politics 10:12AM
SkyNewsHD Westminster Studio
Old MP Kenneth Clarke, aged 78
confirmed he will vote for her deal.
And he is a remainer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Clarke

[Maru]

Can we have this debate style in our Congress?

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[Nicky91]

i checked second referendum polls on Wikipedia

and the 20 october - 2 November 2018 poll result was: 50% voted to remain, and 44% voted to leave

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit#Second_referendum:_Remain_/_Leave

[arista]

The PM was just Live in Parliament (all media)
talking about her 26page new effort.

The Labour Party Leader
calls it Waffle........................................

[Cherie]

The PM was just Live in Parliament (all media)
talking about her 26page new effort.

The Labour Party Leader
calls it Waffle........................................

Easy to say, but I see no solutions from him?

[joeysteele]

The PM was just Live in Parliament (all media)
talking about her 26page new effort.

The Labour Party Leader
calls it Waffle........................................

There's a fair number of her own party calling it waffle too.
She's become masterful at seeming to be giving in to some major things the sceptics in her own party want, then letting them down.
Later or when everything is fully analysed.

She should have grabbed the opportunity to make this Parliament as a whole negotiations.
Including the opposition,and devolved Nations of the UK, not just her planning.

Corbyn,( and other parties too in fact), ought not to give her any easy ride, the clue in the title of Labour, they are Her Majesty's Opposition, to the government.
They arent there, or should be expected to, to make life easy for her or support her in this mish mash of over 2 years of negotiations.
That she now says is only her way or no way.

[Nicky91]

There's a fair number of her own party calling it waffle too.
She's become masterful at seeming to be giving in to some major things the sceptics in her own party want, then letting them down.
Later or when everything is fully analysed.

She should have grabbed the opportunity to make this Parliament as a whole negotiations.
Including the opposition,and devolved Nations of the UK, not just her planning.

Corbyn,( and other parties too in fact), ought not to give her any easy ride, the clue in the title of Labour, they are Her Majesty's Opposition, to the government.
They arent there, or should be expected to, to make life easy for her or support her in this mish mash of over 2 years of negotiations.
That she now says is only her way or no way.

so it's her brexit deal or no brexit what they can choose from, am i correct?

[Cherie]

I'm still waiting for Labours solutions, rather than the answer ' we would negotiate a better deal' easier said than done

[Cherie]

so it's her brexit deal or no brexit what they can choose from, am i correct?

It's not her Brexit deal, it is what has been thrashed out with Barnier

[Nicky91]

Merkel, the German PM had said the worst possible scenario is a ''no deal brexit'' but most have faith for a good solution for all of us

the no deal brexit according to her would be mentally and economically horrible

[arista]

This Spain Vote (moaning about OUR Gibraltar )
can not happen on Sunday. (The EU has confirmed)
That should be the first line of any news report.

[arista]

Merkel, the German PM had said the worst possible scenario is a ''no deal brexit'' but most have faith for a good solution for all of us

the no deal brexit according to her would be mentally and economically horrible

Votes in Parliament (Labour /SNP/Conservative/Libs)
are claiming No Deal can be Stopped

The PM is live today on a Phone In on BBCnewsHD and Radio5 12:30PM

[arista]

The PM was terrible today Live on BBC (a waste of 25mins)https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bvwc2x/your-questions-to-the-pm-bbcaskthis
nothing new, not even able to speak of a plan B
which is a 21 day Parliament Brexit Review (ref: Chris Morris BBC)

[joeysteele]

The PM was terrible today Live on BBC (a waste of 25mins)https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bvwc2x/your-questions-to-the-pm-bbcaskthis
nothing new, not even able to speak of a plan B
which is a 21 day Parliament Brexit Review (ref: Chris Morris BBC)

She was really poor, I agree.

[arista]

The EU summit goes ahead tomorrow

https://news.sky.com/story/live-spain-threatens-to-derail-crucial-brexit-meeting-11561784

Spain now has a agreement with the UK.

[Underscore]

The EU summit goes ahead tomorrow

https://news.sky.com/story/live-spain-threatens-to-derail-crucial-brexit-meeting-11561784

Spain now has a agreement with the UK.

Hallelujah

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-spain-threatens-to-derail-crucial-brexit-meeting-11561784

The PM is now in Brussles

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13639177.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/3_British-Prime-Minister-Arrives-In-Brussels-Ahead-Of-Brexit-Summit.jpg

[What would happen immediately if the deal is voted down?

Constitutionally, the Government must decide what happens next.
Ministers have to come to Parliament by 21 January to make a statement setting out their proposals.]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-timetable-what-happens-next-13590071

[Alf]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-spain-threatens-to-derail-crucial-brexit-meeting-11561784

The PM is now in BrusslesHaving dinner with her masters.

[arista]

The EU rubber stamps it

BBC1HD Marr is extended by 15mins
Blair is in the Studio.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-eu-leaders-set-to-agree-mays-brexit-plan-11562989

[Nicky91]

The EU rubber stamps it

BBC1HD Marr is extended by 15mins
Blair is in the Studio.

May hopes the brexit deal will come through real fast now, cause they have other more important things discuss in the UK

[Nicky91]

yes it's done, our dutch PM Rutte calls this a loss for both the british people and the EU

but this deal is better than the other ''no deal'' scenario

[arista]

yes it's done, our dutch PM Rutte calls this a loss for both the british people and the EU

but this deal is better than the other ''no deal'' scenario


The PM Refused to say she would Resign
(assuming she fails to get the votes in the UK Parliament)
at he Press Conference,
She did say twice No 2nd Vote

[arista]

The Irish PM backs this deal.

But as for the MP's , so far no change.

The PM will not say she has Plan B.

Ref: Ch4HD news.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/LOmTecl5MuB-MGm37L0LVQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/gaWtleyiRcynVmuoaUc5_tel.JPG

If a Debate does happen it would be on
the BBC on a Sunday Night
Corbyn, is reported as saying he is all for it.

[Cherie]

wow, the ratings will be humongous!

[Nicky91]

Juncker had said apparently if british parliament is against this deal, things could look worse for the UK

so i hope everyone just agrees with this brexit deal, i think the best option now is choosing the lesser of 2 evils :think:

[arista]

The PM is going live in Parliament
Again today around 3:30PM

[arista]

The PM is speaking live now


LIVE: PM warns it's 'my Brexit deal or back to square one'
https://news.sky.com/story/live-back-my-deal-pm-warns-against-division-on-brexit-11563967


She did another 3 Hours

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/B496/production/_104503264_sun-front-page-for-27_11_20.jpg

BBC TV debate Sunday 9th dec

[joeysteele]

She may have opened another can of worms for herself.
Corbyn was never concerned at debating brexit with her.
It's surprising she indicated she would.

Now however, the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru etc are calling to be involved too in said debate.
..... and why not?.