The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[Ammi]

How Nice

Although there is one
Picture I have posted today
showing a King getting his Head Chopped off
in the London Parliament

I need a Time Machine , Ammi.

...well if you hadn’t spent so much time on the bunker, yo7 might have got the time machine put together as well, Arista...I reckon there was time for both but you didn’t spend that time wisely...

[arista]

...and could possibly lead to blood on his hands with the destruction of the Good Friday Agreement....but to Boris it’s all a coy game of Trump cards and politics...he really does disgust me..



No
Johnson /Cummings
do not want that.

[Twosugars]

But you are wrong
Its Democracy to to leave on 31st October


You can not Underestimate
Johnson/Cummings Team,


Black Friday is due 1st of Nov 2019
Rock On./

It's not. Nobody talked about leaving with no deal. The opposite, they all promised an easy deal.
This is hijacking of a very small majority result

[Twosugars]

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Old picture

[Scarlett.]

At this point, I just want them to take the deal, put an end to all this, its the best outcome we can hope for at this point.

[arista]

It's not. Nobody talked about leaving with no deal. The opposite, they all promised an easy deal.
This is hijacking of a very small majority result



Yes no one voted for that
but its all that is left.

We can get through all this.

[Ammi]

No
Johnson /Cummings
do not want that.

...he doesn’t have control over everything, Arista...he makes his choices but he doesn’t have control over everything...

[arista]

Old picture


Yes I needed her Smilling

[arista]

...he doesn’t have control over everything, Arista...he makes his choices but he doesn’t have control over everything...


Sure
but the Queen
is backing the Johnson /Cummings Plan.

[Twosugars]

Yes I needed her Smilling

Doubt she's smiling now. Dont manipulate Liz :nono:

[arista]

At this point, I just want them to take the deal, put an end to all this, its the best outcome we can hope for at this point.


Yes but the EU
refuse to remove on the Backstop.
so any new deal is stuck behind a Mega Wall.

[arista]

Doubt she's smiling now. Dont manipulate Liz :nono:



No she is not.
That is True

[Scarlett.]

Yes but the EU
refuse to remove on the Backstop.
so any new deal is stuck behind a Mega Wall.

Well its either that or medicine shortages, food shortages and years and years of poverty. Beggars can't be choosers.

[arista]

Well its either that or medicine shortages, food shortages and years and years of poverty. Beggars can't be choosers.



Medicine
they are setting up planes to fly it in direct.

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Well basically every new government brings a Queens speech and this is the longest parliamentary session since 1653 so it's not actually that controversial to end it

[arista]

Well basically every new government brings a Queens speech and this is the longest parliamentary session since 1653 so it's not actually that controversial to end it



Yes
its just handy it may help his Brexit Exit.

[Ammi]

...oh, here we go...


There is no 'scientific' reason to ban chlorinated chicken or hormone beef in a post-Brexit trade deal with America, a senior government scientist has told Sky News.

Sir Ian Boyd, chief scientific adviser at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), said there's no evidence the controversial meat is harmful and British consumers should be allowed to choose whether they want to eat it.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-health-problems-with-chlorinated-chicken-govts-chief-scientific-adviser-11796443

[joeysteele]

...oh, here we go...


There is no 'scientific' reason to ban chlorinated chicken or hormone beef in a post-Brexit trade deal with America, a senior government scientist has told Sky News.

Sir Ian Boyd, chief scientific adviser at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), said there's no evidence the controversial meat is harmful and British consumers should be allowed to choose whether they want to eat it.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-health-problems-with-chlorinated-chicken-govts-chief-scientific-adviser-11796443

Definitely here we go.

The more that seems to surface on most post brexit matters now, are becoming more and more worrying.

I really commend AnnieK on all she has said re brexit.
It is very worrying.
An even sadder time for what was the UK.

Because I really now think the UK could end up splitting now.
Johnson cannot unite the UK when he operates dictatorial actions like he carried out yesterday.

All he has likely done is inflame further divisions already existing and now adding more divisions.

That's a dangerous and unnecessary road to have decided to go on.

[Ammi]

Definitely here we go.

The more that seems to surface on most post brexit matters now, are becoming more and more worrying.

I really commend AnnieK on all she has said re brexit.
It is very worrying.
An even sadder time for what was the UK.

Because I really now think the UK could end up splitting now.
Johnson cannot unite the UK when he operates dictatorial actions like he carried out yesterday.

All he has likely done is inflame further divisions already existing and now adding more divisions.

That's a dangerous and unnecessary road to have decided to go on.

...how can Britain be made great again when the rift is being prised and prised apart continuously...if it’s possible to heal, it will take decades surely...there was only one independent way for the U.K. and that way was together...that’s sadly a long distant memory, Joey...I guess the dispensing of EU regulations which protect us in terms of food quality etc...will mean the worst quality of supplies in our great British deals..?...that then will mean shorter life spans...and less strain for the NHS...(...which won’t exist anyway so that’s all cool and dandy..)...a win/win Joey..?...I’m so incredibly sad about the legacy being left to my children...:sad:...

[joeysteele]

...how can Britain be made great again when the rift is being prised and prised apart continuously...if it’s possible to heal, it will take decades surely...there was only one independent way for the U.K. and that way was together...that’s sadly a long distant memory, Joey...I guess the dispensing of EU regulations which protect us in terms of food quality etc...will mean the worst quality of supplies in our great British deals..?...that then will mean shorter life spans...and less strain for the NHS...(...which won’t exist anyway so that’s all cool and dandy..)...a win/win Joey..?...I’m so incredibly sad about the legacy being left to my children...:sad:...

It's really worrying Ammi.

You are saying the same as AnnieK.

It's really sad the really concerned and reasoned voices like yours and those who think like you.
Are discounted.

We are in an extremely dark time in UK politics and for the UK, even as to so called Great Britain too.

There is no need whatsoever for any credible PM to take all of us on this dangerous route now.
Risking so much built securely on for decades.

Desperately sad.

[Ammi]

It's really worrying Ammi.

You are saying the same as AnnieK.

It's really sad the really concerned and reasoned voices like yours and those who think like you.
Are discounted.

We are in an extremely dark time in UK politics and for the UK, even as to so called Great Britain too.

There is no need whatsoever for any credible PM to take all of us on this dangerous route now.
Risking so much built securely on for decades.

Desperately sad.


..that’s why it’s going to be so difficult to get to any unity again as a country, I feel...because so many people feel ‘on the outside, looking in’...and not a part of...we not only have left and right and conservative and labour...those age old ‘adversaries’...:laugh:...we now have Brexiteer and remainers to add to the division and that’s divided even further with those who wanted a deal and those who didn’t...while people like Farage and Johnson use these divisions for their own self serving...

[joeysteele]

..that’s why it’s going to be so difficult to get to any unity again as a country, I feel...because so many people feel ‘on the outside, looking in’...and not a part of...we not only have left and right and conservative and labour...those age old ‘adversaries’...:laugh:...we now have Brexiteer and remainers to add to the division and that’s divided even further with those who wanted a deal and those who didn’t...while people like Farage and Johnson use these divisions for their own self serving...

Totally agree.

Even more concerning is your last sentence.
A really dangerous combination there in current politics.

[bots]

Well basically every new government brings a Queens speech and this is the longest parliamentary session since 1653 so it's not actually that controversial to end it

This is an example of attempting to normalise and legitimise something where the purpose, timing and the result of the action are more relevant than the action itself.

To use an example, buying a gun in America in itself isn't a big deal, millions of people do it, but if the purpose of the purchase is to execute people at a shopping mall, it's actually abhorrent

[Withano]

Things that are undemocratic: remaining in the EU cos 52 to 48 how dare you overturn a very close advisory vote

Things that are democratic: shutting down parliament and overturning the entire general election for a lil while, also a prime minister who was elected by like 12 people.

[UserSince2005]

Things that are undemocratic: remaining in the EU cos 52 to 48 how dare you overturn a very close advisory vote

Things that are democratic: shutting down parliament and overturning the entire general election for a lil while, also a prime minister who was elected by like 12 people.

Couldnt agree more :thumbs:

[UserSince2005]

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lol which one is the brown haired pig?

They should have done Dianne Abbott haha

[arista]

lol which one is the brown haired pig?

They should have done Dianne Abbott haha


LibDem Leader,

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDS2WUkXYAUkrrh?format=jpg&name=small


LibDem leader above Corbyn
in a poll today.

[arista]

The Commons First Vote Today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDolHItXYAEafbu?format=jpg&name=small

Hillary Benn's Bill 2nd reading
329 For
300 Against


Another Vote due

[arista]

Amendment 19 Lost



Yes 65

No 495

[Sticks]

Amendment 19 Lost
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Have you tried down the back of the sofa? :joker:

[arista]

Final Vote H. Benn.

Yes 327
Against 299

[arista]

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Labour EU policy in a Utter Mess
last nights QT.

[arista]

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Lucy - You Plank

[Twosugars]

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Labour EU policy in a Utter Mess
last nights QT.

Not mess, but perfectly logical.

Get best possible deal for leaving but prefer to remain. Bc the best deal of all options is to remain.

[Nicky91]

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Graham Norton had said some things, what he thinks is going on with Brexit

[arista]

Gina Miller - the Silly Bitch
lost her High Court battle

[Cherie]

Some one rang in yesterday and suggested if there is to be a GE, you could also have a rerun of the referendum alongside, so effectively two ballot papers, think its a great idea, but far too good to be taken up

[Withano]

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Labour EU policy in a Utter Mess
last nights QT.

True

[arista]

Some one rang in yesterday and suggested if there is to be a GE, you could also have a rerun of the referendum alongside, so effectively two ballot papers, think its a great idea, but far too good to be taken up


No that would never work
to complicated

More Simple Remain Vote Labour
Leave vote Conservative

[bots]

No that would never work
to complicated

More Simple Remain Vote Labour
Leave vote Conservative

well thats rubbish, labour still represent leaving. Lib dems represent remaining.

Also, the brexit party will be representing leaving

[arista]

Johnson PM in Scotland (shown on both TV news channels)
has said he will get a Deal , go to Brussels himself, no election,
and leave on the 31st of Oct.

Meanwhile in in the EU
nothing is on the table.
So they view it as No Deal.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/6683/production/_108634262_telegraph.jpg


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/177F3/production/_108634269_express.jpg

[Kizzy]

Oh I can see it now, stuff the EU ..stuff Scotland and wherever else that want to remain in. Little Britain rules OK?
We will have to join some trade organisation... take a seat in the WTO maybe, and what will that entail? Will that mean agreements regarding freedom of movement..freedom for people worldwide to access our services and welfare system?
I don't think that anyone who wants out of the EU fully understands what the alternatives will be, I have heard not one scenario that would be of any benefit, or satisfy the concerns that are currently held regarding our place in Europe.
It will only serve to alienate us from our closest neighbours and allies, those with whom we have the closest geographical,cultural and dare I say it religious ties.

Here it is the first example of free movement for free trade agreement, there will be others naturally. Can I point out that Australia is on the other side of the world.. so the cost of trade logistically will be huge.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/18/britain-will-aim-for-freedom-of-movement-deal-with-australia

[Alf]

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[Twosugars]

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The audacity of this man :fist:

[arista]

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[arista]

Today the EU meeting Brexit final time
was at 2PM.
Now changed to 5PM

Now its 7 to 8 hours

[arista]

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Shouting Bully Steve
in the Background.

[Scarlett.]

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Shouting Bully Steve
in the Background.

"Speaks for the nation"
48% voted to remain, so you could only really argue he speaks for at most just over half the voting population.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG_sPKbXUAAf-_x?format=png&name=small

[arista]

Ch4HD News has interviews with the New IRA
they say any border infrastructure in N.Ireland
will be attacked. Using Arms
The Evil Thug said he is Part of a Army
he had a cover over his face.

He also stated the Good Friday Agreement
is DEAD.

[Twosugars]

Ch4HD News has interviews with the New IRA
they say any border infrastructure in N.Ireland
will be attacked. Using Arms
The Thug said he is Part of a Army

They were promised in the treaty. Bojo cant go back on that

[bots]

They were promised in the treaty. Bojo cant go back on that

of course he can, it's up to him to face the consequences though

[Sticks]

Ch4HD News has interviews with the New IRA
they say any border infrastructure in N.Ireland
will be attacked. Using Arms
The Evil Thug said he is Part of a Army
he had a cover over his face.

He also stated the Good Friday Agreement
is DEAD.

Don't you mean the Good Friday We promise to give in to the IRA, We promise to give in to all men of blood and we promise to give in to terrorist blackmail at the first opportunity Agreement

It is a total surrender and capitulation to the IRA and their pay masters in the Dublin Government... :mad:

[arista]

Don't you mean the Good Friday We promise to give in to the IRA, We promise to give in to all men of blood and we promise to give in to terrorist blackmail at the first opportunity Agreement

It is a total surrender and capitulation to the IRA and their pay masters in the Dublin Government... :mad:


The EVIL Thug
of the new IRA
said The Good Friday Agreement is Dead.

[arista]

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And after

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[MTVN]

Remember when Amber Rudd quit because 'Boris wasn't trying for a deal'

[joeysteele]

Remember when Amber Rudd quit because 'Boris wasn't trying for a deal'

To be fair, at the time she did.
His own Brother was indicating the same and the EU were stressing nothing had been received.
She was far from the only one.

The intensity now to appearing to try for a deal has only come into prominent play since then, and following his failure to get the votes he needed for a general election.

Having said that, I could never understand how Amber Rudd could ever have accepted a post in his Cabinet.

Anyhow, his current ideas to a deal appears to strongly displease the DUP.
So that alone would make his ideas more palatable to myself on his attempts, genuine or cosmetic, to at least seem to be aiming for an agreement of sorts.

[Cherie]

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And after

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Mairead :clap1:

[Niamh.]

I thought it was the DUP who said no to this agreement?

[bots]

I thought it was the DUP who said no to this agreement?

it's at least the DUP and then a load more when it gets to parliament. I would have thought a no deal would have a worse effect on NI than a deal that they have been given control over wrt to Ireland but may be that's just me

[Niamh.]

it's at least the DUP and then a load more when it gets to parliament. I would have thought a no deal would have a worse effect on NI than a deal that they have been given control over wrt to Ireland but may be that's just me

Yeah same here

[arista]

EU just Confirmed another Deal has been Done.
The 27 nations agree.

Of Course in the UK - the DUP are not part of it, so far.....................


https://news.sky.com/story/live-brexit-deal-hangs-in-the-balance-as-pm-heads-to-eu-summit-11837415


[Juncker says : Where there is a will, there is a #deal - we have one!
It’s a fair and balanced agreement for the EU and the UK
and it is testament to our commitment to find solutions.
I recommend that #EUCO endorses this deal.]

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[arista]

The PM is now on his way to Brussels.

But the DUP
has stated again they do not like this News Deal...............

[Cherie]

The DUP are such twats

[joeysteele]

If the Republic of Ireland and the EU are content with this agreement.
With Farage and his lot not happy, moreso the DUP not happy with it too.

Then it's a deal I'd reluctantly support.

[Glenn.]

It will be voted against by Parliament anyway lol

[Scarlett.]

I wish this god damn deal would pass then we could finally move the **** on from Brex****

[Sticks]

We can when we leave on No Deal

Labour is now supporting a No Deal Hard Brexit along with their chums in the DUP.

[Niamh.]

We can when we leave on No Deal

Labour is now supporting a No Deal Hard Brexit along with their chums in the DUP.

and I thought Jeremy was best buddies with the IRA? :hehe:

[user104658]

I will be utterly blown away if it gets through parliament. Leaving with a deal is the best possible outcome at this point but the MPs themselves, from all parties, are still playing politics with it all and it'll be no different to the vote on the May deal.

If we revoke and stay in the EU, the issue will simply never die. It'll swallow UK politics for years if not decades to come. If we leave without a deal it'll be the worst possible outcome economically.

Taking a crappy deal and then working on improving it in the years to come is the sensible choice at this point.

So... It probably won't happen.

[Scarlett.]

I will be utterly blown away if it gets through parliament. Leaving with a deal is the best possible outcome at this point but the MPs themselves, from all parties, are still playing politics with it all and it'll be no different to the vote on the May deal.

If we revoke and stay in the EU, the issue will simply never die. It'll swallow UK politics for years if not decades to come. If we leave without a deal it'll be the worst possible outcome economically.

Taking a crappy deal and then working on improving it in the years to come is the sensible choice at this point.

So... It probably won't happen.
Pretty much, this deal is our only way out of this Brexit mess

[Cherie]

I think this deal will scrape through somehow

[joeysteele]

It's success depends on the former Con MPs.
Plus if the DUP do stick to actually voting against, then some ERG members in the Con party, could vote against it too.

I'd be surprised if even just 10 to 12 Labour MPs were to give support.

For the wrong reasons and in the wrong way.
It cannot be denied that Johnson has played a negatively clever game here.
He's put all Parties, his own included and all the MPs on the spot with this.

His agreement is worse than May's, yet here we are.

The Lib Dems may now be made to regret really not getting behind the caretaker government plan.

However the ensuing general election, if this bill passes will be harder for Johnson.
As Farage is against this agreement so will actively fight against Johnson's Cons too.
Claiming he sold out in the end.
Wrongly but he'll claim he has.

[Twosugars]

I want a second referendum and a revoke :)

[user104658]

It's success depends on the former Con MPs.
Plus if the DUP do stick to actually voting against, then some ERG members in the Con party, could vote against it too.

I'd be surprised if even just 10 to 12 Labour MPs were to give support.

For the wrong reasons and in the wrong way.
It cannot be denied that Johnson has played a negatively clever game here.
He's put all Parties, his own included and all the MPs on the spot with this.

His agreement is worse than May's, yet here we are.

The Lib Dems may now be made to regret really not getting behind the caretaker government plan.

However the ensuing general election, if this bill passes will be harder for Johnson.
As Farage is against this agreement so will actively fight against Johnson's Cons too.
Claiming he sold out in the end.
Wrongly but he'll claim he has.

I don't know, I think the bulk of Brexiteers - along with everyone else - is suffering severe political fatigue at the moment and will most likely "lazily" vote Tory. I don't know if there's enough of a fire left under most people to now start voting outside of their comfort zone. It's simply dragged on for too long now.

[bots]

It's a smart move from Boris because anyone that now votes against the deal will be seen as obstructive and that will be reflected in any upcoming election. I think the deal will scrape through on that basis.

[joeysteele]

I want a second referendum and a revoke :)

Well all those who really want no deal out the way, and now maybe also seeing this poorly set out agreement, what we know of the main points.
Who still want closer connections to the EU.

Then revoke may be the only way for them to go now.
Unfortunately, I can't see Labour even just as a majority supporting that.

Another referendum more possible as an agreement to pass this agreement via an amendment.

I guess Twosugars we don't have long to see what the oppositions and also disgruntled Cons decide to do now at this probable last chance saloon.

[Twosugars]

Very true, Joey

[Niamh.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHFpa3nXYAEbsEJ.jpg:large

[arista]

i want a second referendum and a revoke :)
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[joeysteele]

I don't know, I think the bulk of Brexiteers - along with everyone else - is suffering severe political fatigue at the moment and will most likely "lazily" vote Tory. I don't know if there's enough of a fire left under most people to now start voting outside of their comfort zone. It's simply dragged on for too long now.

I agree with that TS.

With anyone other than Farage leading the Brexit party, I'd think your point more certain.

However Farage is going to present this as not really leaving at all.
I can't stand Farage but he is likely the only one who can make Johnson look as if he's sold the cause and leave voters out.

It may never result in the Brexit party winning seats but they are likely to pull stronger leave voters back from the Cons.

Furthermore, by its name..
The Brexit party needs this to carry on to preserve their own existence further.
Farage thrives on divisiveness no matter who it's against.

[Twosugars]

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Yeah bc it's up to Gove :joker:

[Sticks]

We're leaving without a deal
We're leaving without a deal
Joy oh, Joy oh Joy
We're leaving without a deal

Hard Border here we come
Hard border here we come
Joy oh, Joy oh Joy
Hard Border here we come

Good Friday Surrender gone
Good Friday Surrender gone
Joy oh, Joy oh Joy
Good Friday Surrender gone

Thanks to the No Deal supporting Labour Party we are going for a No Deal Hard Brexit, and a hard physical border in Northern Ireland

[arista]

The PM is Live now in Brussels

[UserSince2005]

The EU hasn't satisfied me with it deal.

No deal it shall be.

[arista]

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And

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[user104658]

Thanks to the No Deal supporting Labour Party we are going for a No Deal Hard Brexit, and a hard physical border in Northern Ireland

There is a sort of irony in the fact that it's opposition parties who claim to be trying for the best possible deal, who are going to end up triggering No Deal by default.

I'm even fairly annoyed with the SNP for being dead against it but at least in that case I understand why; the SNP can't be seen to support leaving the EU in any form, as it would play out badly in negotiations if Scotland ever does gain independence and seeks to join a customs union.

But for Labour in England - what do they think is going to be achieved at this point? Do they believe there's going to be a delay, a general election, and that the Conservatives won't win it? Living in a fantasy land... it's this deal or no deal for Brexit. That simple.

[Twosugars]

There is a sort of irony in the fact that it's opposition parties who claim to be trying for the best possible deal, who are going to end up triggering No Deal by default.

I'm even fairly annoyed with the SNP for being dead against it but at least in that case I understand why; the SNP can't be seen to support leaving the EU in any form, as it would play out badly in negotiations if Scotland ever does gain independence and seeks to join a customs union.

But for Labour in England - what do they think is going to be achieved at this point? Do they believe there's going to be a delay, a general election, and that the Conservatives won't win it? Living in a fantasy land... it's this deal or no deal for Brexit. That simple.

Not quite.
Another route is extension, caretaker government, new deal negotiations and new referendum

[bots]

Not quite.
Another route is extension, caretaker government, new deal negotiations and new referendum

everyone wants an end to the uncertainty. People really do need to remember that this is a deal for the transition period only, which ends at the end of 2020.

Any party can accept that at this stage. All this talk of caretaker governments etc will play entirely into the tory hands because as soon as there is a GE ... they will win if the other parties refused to play ball and end the uncertainty.

[user104658]

everyone wants an end to the uncertainty. People really do need to remember that this is a deal for the transition period only, which ends at the end of 2020.

Any party can accept that at this stage. All this talk of caretaker governments etc will play entirely into the tory hands because as soon as there is a GE ... they will win if the other parties refused to play ball and end the uncertainty.

That's the part I think people are in denial about. If there is another election, the Tories will win it. If there is another referendum, 1) the turnout will be ABYSMAL and 2) Leave will still win. If it's a multi-option referendum rather than binary, then "Remain" and "Leave With Deal" will split the popular vote and No Deal will win by default.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

everyone wants an end to the uncertainty. People really do need to remember that this is a deal for the transition period only, which ends at the end of 2020.

Any party can accept that at this stage. All this talk of caretaker governments etc will play entirely into the tory hands because as soon as there is a GE ... they will win if the other parties refused to play ball and end the uncertainty.

The point of a caretaker government would be the referendum and a potential win for remain

[Twosugars]

That's the part I think people are in denial about. If there is another election, the Tories will win it. If there is another referendum, 1) the turnout will be ABYSMAL and 2) Leave will still win. If it's a multi-option referendum rather than binary, then "Remain" and "Leave With Deal" will split the popular vote and No Deal will win by default.

Not so fast Mystic Meg :p

[joeysteele]

That's the part I think people are in denial about. If there is another election, the Tories will win it. If there is another referendum, 1) the turnout will be ABYSMAL and 2) Leave will still win. If it's a multi-option referendum rather than binary, then "Remain" and "Leave With Deal" will split the popular vote and No Deal will win by default.



I'd rather not have a multi option TS on the ballot paper, if, another referendum was even considered.

I'd rather 2 choices only.
Like you I agree in a multi option votes will be split.

However talking to people who solidly want to remain, they will do so again if remain is on the ballot.

I think however a multi option would help 'with a deal' winning.

Because, when I talk to those who voted leave, who are more reasonable than the more extreme leave voters.
They dislike no deal as much as anyone else who does.
So the leave vote is more than likely to be split too.

With I think, (just picking things up from all I have chatted to), large numbers of leave voters choosing a deal option.

[Nicky91]

so 320 votes are required for the deal to be accepted at House of Commons

[Cherie]

Labour need to rebel. JC wants the PM job, that all he has ever been interested in, can’t see Labour winning a GE with him at the helm

[joeysteele]

so 320 votes are required for the deal to be accepted at House of Commons

Yes Nicky.

Sinn Feinn from N Ireland don't take their seats at Westminster.
Then Speaker and deputies don't vote.

This means 10/11 parliamentary votes don't happen.
So 320 gives a bare majority at the present time.

Personally, since this deal is acceptable to the EU and to the Republic of Ireland.
The fact the DUP are against it and the Farage Brexit party hate it.
Makes it an agreement, if I were an MP, I'd vote for it very reluctantly.

Johnson doesn't care about it or the Nation and certainly not for the most vulnerable of UK society..
Whatever society is now going to be in a UK plunging into the depths of extremism not thought likely since the end of the war.

Johnson has only ever wanted to be Prime Minister by any means.
Deceit, blatant lying and even political bullying.
He'll fight endlessly to stay there, saying anything to anyone but not likely meaning most of anything he says.

However, I still doubt he will win this tomorrow.
Again, however if he does, at least things move to the next long drawn out stages.

The main problem remains, in that the UK has a volatile PM whose word cannot be trusted.
This is one dangerous PM because, in my view,he has no shame to what he says or does.
A Cabinet too which is the most hard-line for many decades.
So where it all ends up over the next 5 to 10 years is anyone's guess now.

I'm never a supporter though of just getting things done for convenience.
All time, no matter what it is, should be taken to get anything as important as this.
For a Nation's and its future generations futures absolutely right and secure.

This agreement if passed by parliament.
For me is the start of a process from a vote which the UK will come to heavily regret.
However I do now doubt strongly the UK will be able to stay intact after this.
I really fear the Union of the UK will now much more likely than not be broken for good.

To some, especially too Con party members, that is a price worth paying.
I'd never be able to want or think that myself.

[Cherie]

Yes Nicky.

Sinn Feinn from N Ireland don't take their seats at Westminster.
Then Speaker and deputies don't vote.

This means 10/11 parliamentary votes don't happen.
So 320 gives a bare majority at the present time.

Personally, since this deal is acceptable to the EU and to the Republic of Ireland.
The fact the DUP are against it and the Farage Brexit party hate it.
Makes it an agreement, if I were an MP, I'd vote for it very reluctantly.

Johnson doesn't care about it or the Nation and certainly not for the most vulnerable of UK society..
Whatever society is now going to be in a UK plunging into the depths of extremism not thought likely since the end of the war.

Johnson has only ever wanted to be Prime Minister by any means.
Deceit, blatant lying and even political bullying.
He'll fight endlessly to stay there, saying anything to anyone but not likely meaning most of anything he says.

However, I still doubt he will win this tomorrow.
Again, however if he does, at least things move to the next long drawn out stages.

The main problem remains, in that the UK has a volatile PM whose word cannot be trusted.
This is one dangerous PM because, in my view,he has no shame to what he says or does.
A Cabinet too which is the most hard-line for many decades.
So where it all ends up over the next 5 to 10 years is anyone's guess now.

I'm never a supporter though of just getting things done for convenience.
All time, no matter what it is, should be taken to get anything as important as this.
For a Nation's and its future generations futures absolutely right and secure.

This agreement if passed by parliament.
For me is the start of a process from a vote which the UK will come to heavily regret.
However I do now doubt strongly the UK will be able to stay intact after this.
I really fear the Union of the UK will now much more likely than not be broken for good.

To some, especially too Con party members, that is a price worth paying.
I'd never be able to want or think that myself.



you could also be describing the current Labour party here, where Jewish members do not feel safe, let that sink in for a minute...

how you can decry the Cons while supporting Labour is a mystery to me

[joeysteele]

you could also be describing the current Labour party here, where Jewish members do not feel safe, let that sink in for a minute...

how you can decry the Cons while supporting Labour is a mystery to me



Frankly, I honestly 100% don't care a single thing as to what you think of myself.
Or what party I support for their policies or stand for myself.
I wouldn't lose a millisecond of sleep bothered as to that.

[Kazanne]

so 320 votes are required for the deal to be accepted at House of Commons

Do you still want to leave Nicky ?

[Cherie]

Frankly, I honestly 100% don't care a single thing as to what you think of myself.
Or what party I support for their policies or stand for myself.
I wouldn't lose a millisecond of sleep bothered as to that.

Just making the point :D:

[Cherie]

There is a sort of irony in the fact that it's opposition parties who claim to be trying for the best possible deal, who are going to end up triggering No Deal by default.

I'm even fairly annoyed with the SNP for being dead against it but at least in that case I understand why; the SNP can't be seen to support leaving the EU in any form, as it would play out badly in negotiations if Scotland ever does gain independence and seeks to join a customs union.

But for Labour in England - what do they think is going to be achieved at this point? Do they believe there's going to be a delay, a general election, and that the Conservatives won't win it? Living in a fantasy land... it's this deal or no deal for Brexit. That simple.

Agree with that TS, I also understand your stance as to the SNP however to their credit they have remained steadfast in their commitment to the EU which helps with their request for a second indy ref. I do hope they get it and I hope the Scots leave because like Brexit its just going to rumble on for ever unless they get the opportunity to do so

[bots]

i do think MP's need a heavy dose of reality check. People want this resolved now. They dont want the indecision of another ref. MP's said that Boris wanted to leave with no deal and so protected themselves from that eventuality with the Benn bill. However, Boris kept his word, he got a deal. MP's now have a duty to approve that deal and end all this uncertainty now. If they choose not to, they will regret it come the next election.

[Cherie]

i do think MP's need a heavy dose of reality check. People want this resolved now. They dont want the indecision of another ref. MP's said that Boris wanted to leave with no deal and so protected themselves from that eventuality with the Benn bill. However, Boris kept his word, he got a deal. MP's now have a duty to approve that deal and end all this uncertainty now. If they choose not to, they will regret it come the next election.

Yes agree with that, I personally have wanted a second referendum for a long time, but I am now of the view it wont solve anything and will drag things on ad infinitum, we need to leave with the deal on the table, the EU is happy, the Republic are happy, and the PM is happy with it, party politics need to be set aside now, the Scottish second referendum issue is going to rumble on whether we stay in the EU or not

[Nicky91]

Do you still want to leave Nicky ?

this deal is the by far better choice, compared to a no deal brexit

yeah i'm hoping you guys leave with a deal, and then finally more important subjects in britain can be discussed by your parliament


i find it understanding about sky news, having their own ''brexit-free'' news show :) this whole brexit mess has been annoying, for the last 3 years since referendum

[The Slim Reaper]

i do think MP's need a heavy dose of reality check. People want this resolved now. They dont want the indecision of another ref. MP's said that Boris wanted to leave with no deal and so protected themselves from that eventuality with the Benn bill. However, Boris kept his word, he got a deal. MP's now have a duty to approve that deal and end all this uncertainty now. If they choose not to, they will regret it come the next election.

Nobody voted to make us poorer, to make our food less safe, to take away the rights of our workers though. Kicking ourselves in the bollocks was not campaigned for. A terrible deal that will inevitably lead to a no deal at the end of 2020.

Politicians have a duty to defend and protect it's citizenry, not rubber stamp bad ideas into bad law.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[user104658]

Nobody voted to make us poorer, to make our food less safe, to take away the rights of our workers though. Kicking ourselves in the bollocks was not campaigned for. A terrible deal that will inevitably lead to a no deal at the end of 2020.

Politicians have a duty to defend and protect it's citizenry, not rubber stamp bad ideas into bad law.

At this point, I think it has to happen. To be honest, I think projecting forwards a bit, a revoke at this point could be even more of a disaster than No Deal. My general feel of the political climate is that revoke would spark a MASSIVE surge to the right that would be heavily reflected in upcoming General Elections and we could end up with a genuinely scary hardline government that would make Boris and co look like childsplay. Brexit in some form has to happen, simply for appeasement, and that's awful but it is where we are. Would a delay and better deal be better? Yes, if it was realistic, but I just can't see a path to that? It would be a delay and then exactly the same scenario with exactly the same stumbling blocks, over and over.

[Cherie]

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How credible is this and wouldn’t parliament vote to prevent it again? also we could have a new government by then so it seems a bit of a difficult one to believe

[The Slim Reaper]

At this point, I think it has to happen. To be honest, I think projecting forwards a bit, a revoke at this point could be even more of a disaster than No Deal. My general feel of the political climate is that revoke would spark a MASSIVE surge to the right that would be heavily reflected in upcoming General Elections and we could end up with a genuinely scary hardline government that would make Boris and co look like childsplay. Brexit in some form has to happen, simply for appeasement, and that's awful but it is where we are. Would a delay and better deal be better? Yes, if it was realistic, but I just can't see a path to that? It would be a delay and then exactly the same scenario with exactly the same stumbling blocks, over and over.

We're getting a hard right government after the next election regardless, as all the troglodytes will flood out from under rocks to reward them for this abortion of a pretend deal, so I'd rather not have other politicians demoralising the turnout for the left/centre by greenlighting this bs.

I'd rather leave with a deal, but this is just a means to bypass benn and get a no deal a year down the road when they can point to the fact that labour supported their deal, and all the press will dutifully follow that narrative.

When they get their government then let them openly force their no deal through, so no one is left wondering who exactly is to blame for the ensuing mess that will follow.

Appeasement when it comes to hurting the public should't equal sharing the blame when it goes tits up, which is what your suggestion will ultimately equal. Let them force through what they want when they win the GE, but they must do it alone.

There is nothing good about this deal, and agreeing to it to appease fruitloops and nutcases sets a dangerous precedent we may never come back from. You don't stop bullies by punching yourself in the face for them.

[The Slim Reaper]

How credible is this and wouldn’t parliament vote to prevent it again? also we could have a new government by then so it seems a bit of a difficult one to believe

The original tweet came with video of him saying it, for some reason the video didn't transfer onto tibb. This time next year, the tories will be in full power and full control. There will be nothing that can be done to stop them forcing through a no deal.

[bots]

The original tweet came with video of him saying it, for some reason the video didn't transfer onto tibb. This time next year, the tories will be in full power and full control. There will be nothing that can be done to stop them forcing through a no deal.

the government of the day can negotiate whatever trade deals they see fit, that is the whole point of leaving the EU. Equally if a future government wanted stronger ties with europe, that would be up to them.

The power to strike deals lies with the government elected by the people, as it should be.

If i'm reading between the lines, i think you believe that labour are never going to be elected any time soon, and so having a hissy fit that their proposals wont be enacted :laugh:

[arista]

1185203963072864256


There are many wise Labour MP's
that tomorrow will vote the Brexit Treaty
as his area they demand Brexit.

[The Slim Reaper]

the government of the day can negotiate whatever trade deals they see fit, that is the whole point of leaving the EU. Equally if a future government wanted stronger ties with europe, that would be up to them.

The power to strike deals lies with the government elected by the people, as it should be.

If i'm reading between the lines, i think you believe that labour are never going to be elected any time soon, and so having a hissy fit that their proposals wont be enacted :laugh:

Hissy fit? Dude, you had to really try and shoehorn that in there? That whole reply is a bit of an embarrassment imo. :laugh:

My point was just that labour shouldn't help the tories damage the country. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks this deal isn't just a ploy to force a no-deal through eventually, needs to bookmark this page of this thread, because that's what will happen.

[Twosugars]

1185203963072864256


There are many wise Labour MP's
that tomorrow will vote the Brexit Treaty
as his area they demand Brexit.

No.
They know better than the ignorant leavers
No SURRENDER to lunacy

[The Slim Reaper]

https://politics-punked.com/2019/10/18/boris-johnson-the-brexit-job/

https://politicspunkedcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/486c5611-9525-4714-b4d5-cd3f85fc2eba.jpeg

By James Melville.

Brexit is like the final scene from The Italian Job – a dodgy bus hanging over a cliff edge and Boris Johnson saying, “Hang on a minute lads, I’ve got a great idea”.

Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal is basically a hard Brexit on steroids for Britain (not Northern Ireland) with a transition period and no hard border in Ireland. No single market. No customs union in Britain. An end to frictionless trade between the UK and 27 EU countries.

Brexiters boast that Boris Johnson’s Brexit Deal allows the UK to negotiate free trade deals around the world. They conveniently forget that his deal ends UK free trade with 27 EU countries and also UK access to EU free trade deals with 60 other countries around the world.

Boris Johnson’s Brexit Deal is just the start of a race to the bottom. Now the level playing field commitment has been ditched, it’s going to be a libertarian bonfire of employment laws, food standards, human rights, social protection and environment laws. Welcome to unregulated, isolationist Britain.

On Saturday, MPs will vote on the most important parliamentary decision in decades, but without any knowledge of what is in The Withdrawal Agreement Bill (the details). This is still a secret that has never been published. It’s like buying a house without a survey. It’s insane.

Chancellor Sajid Javid has confirmed that there will be no impact assessment on the Brexit deal. Basically, he has confirmed that the government can’t be arsed to provide any analysis and scrutiny on the most important political decision in decades.

No MP should vote through something that has huge ramifications for the country when it does not have the full legal texts and terms and conditions in place. To do so would be grossly negligent and a wilful disregard of the national interest and also in terms of what Boris Johnson previously promised.

Johnson’s Brexit deal is completely contradictory to what he said in his speech at the DUP Conference last year where he stated that no British Prime Minister should ever sign up to a customs border on the Irish Sea.

But, more than anything else, Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal is dangerous. Any Brexiter who likes this deal because it avoids a no-deal Brexit need to be careful what they wish for.

No-deal Brexiters / ERG know that if a trade deal with the EU is not reached by the end of 2020, we will end up with a no-deal Brexit after the transition period has ended. Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal not only keeps a no-deal Brexit on the table, it makes it a real possibility.

Any MP who votes for Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal because they are worried about losing their seat or damaging career prospects should be ashamed of themselves. Politics should be about rigorous scrutiny and principles, not wanton self interest.

Our broadcast media are culpable in this lack of scrunity as well. They would be considered less obsequious and more rigorous if they asked less questions on “will Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal get approved by Parliament?” and instead asked more questions on “should Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal get approved by Parliament?”

So right now, Boris Johnson is like Michael Caine in the final scene of the Italian Job. The Brexit bus is hanging over the cliff edge. He has a desperate plan to try and get us out of this mess and the others on the bus are looking utterly petrified and unconvinced, but they have no alternative other than to believe him.

[Cherie]

If the plan is to no deal, Why not crash out now, people are up for it, in two years time they may be a sea change

Gove is such a back stabbing dweeb it’s hard to countenance anything that comes out of his mouth

[Twosugars]

If the plan is to no deal, Why not crash out now, people are up for it, in two years time they may be a sea change

Gove is such a back stabbing dweeb it’s hard to countenance anything that comes out of his mouth

Bc of Benn act

They hope they will win an election and go for no deal without enough opposition in 2020

[The Slim Reaper]

If the plan is to no deal, Why not crash out now, people are up for it, in two years time they may be a sea change

Gove is such a back stabbing dweeb it’s hard to countenance anything that comes out of his mouth

1184926304858230789

They can't; the Benn act is in place to prevent us crashing out with a nd on 31/10. BJ's deal gives us a year to sort out complicated trade deals that take multiple years to negotiate, whilst sacrificing trade agreements that are infinitely better for our jobs, our health, and our food.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

No.
They know better than the ignorant leavers
No SURRENDER to lunacy




The Labour MP's that vote for this Treaty
have every right.
Then in the Next Election
they keep their seats
blocking the Brexit Party etc.

[Cherie]

1184926304858230789

They can't; the Benn act is in place to prevent us crashing out with a nd on 31/10. BJ's deal gives us a year to sort out complicated trade deals that take multiple years to negotiate, whilst sacrificing trade agreements that are infinitely better for our jobs, our health, and our food.

right but wont the Benn act be in place after the 31st October?

[Twosugars]

right but wont the Benn act be in place after the 31st October?

No.

[bots]

I will just clarify the point I made earlier. There will be a GE within the next year. It will be for the future government to set up the trade deals that they wish. If people are insistent that we will be going down a route of not having a deal with the EU then they are assuming labour cannot win the next election

Edit: Just to add that any group or party that tries to play games and screw things up between now and 31st October will never be elected again in the foreseeable future

[Sticks]

We're leaving without a deal
We're leaving without a deal
Joy oh, Joy oh Joy
We're leaving without a deal

Hard Border here we come
Hard border here we come
Joy oh, Joy oh Joy
Hard Border here we come

Good Friday Surrender gone
Good Friday Surrender gone
Joy oh, Joy oh Joy
Good Friday Surrender gone

Thanks to the No Deal supporting Labour Party we are going for a No Deal Hard Brexit, and a hard physical border in Northern Ireland

Just a reminder of what will be happening tomorrow

The UK Labour Party will be leading the charge to take the UK out of ht EU with no stinging deal as they are the true party of No Deal Hard Brexit along with their chums in the DUP

[arista]

I will just clarify the point I made earlier. There will be a GE within the next year. It will be for the future government to set up the trade deals that they wish. If people are insistent that we will be going down a route of not having a deal with the EU then they are assuming Labour cannot win the next election


Yes Risky Gamble

[arista]

[Another Letwin amendment seeks to block
no-deal Brexit as PM faces knife-edge vote
Boris Johnson is returning from Brussels
with a deal - but he has a fight on his
hands to get it passed by MPs.]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-letwin-amendment-proposed-to-block-no-deal-brexit-as-pm-faces-knife-edge-vote-11838156

[Cherie]

No.

So there can’t be another vote ever to prevent no deal?

[Twosugars]

So there can’t be another vote ever to prevent no deal?

There can but the cons think that after the election they will have big enough majority to defeat such a bill
The party has lurched to the right with expulsion of the rebels and defections. The membership is far more pro no deal and the new batch of candidates will be too

[James]

1184926304858230789

They can't; the Benn act is in place to prevent us crashing out with a nd on 31/10. BJ's deal gives us a year to sort out complicated trade deals that take multiple years to negotiate, whilst sacrificing trade agreements that are infinitely better for our jobs, our health, and our food.

Who is this Twitter user claiming to be a Number 10 insider. :ninja2:

:suspect:

[Nicky91]

the stupidity in some wanting a no deal, looking at you DUP who will put Britain in economic misery just because they want a hard border with ROI

all this while leaving with that deal is the better option :laugh:


it's funny how some are too ''self-absorbed'' to realize what is the best way of leaving the EU

[arista]

The Letwin amendment, if its gets through
intends to make this more fuzzy ahead.

A Conservative MP just said at 9:05AM.


Overnight
the PM has agreed with Labour Leave MP's
wishes to have employment protection , increased
so more Labour MP's are going to back this treaty
today.

[arista]

If the Letwin Amendment,
is passed today.
Then the Gov. will not do their Vote.

Just on all news.

[arista]

[09:21
Number 10 source: Government
will pull vote if Letwin amendment passes
Our Chief Political Correspondent
Jon Craig says: "It is the government
running up the white flag.
"It is the government seemingly
acknowledging that the Letwin amendment
is going to pass.
"That is the prediction of most MPs
I've spoken to this morning.
"It probably means a messy end to the day,
and it means that the PM will be
under pressure to ask for a short extension
. Will he? He told a Scottish court he would."]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-time-to-get-brexit-done-says-stephen-barclay-ahead-of-key-vote-on-pms-new-deal-11839200

[arista]

Saturday and it's a near Full house.

The PM is LIVE

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

They are now Voting on
Letwin (Amendment)
enforcing Legislation
to prevent a No Deal.


[14:30
Vote begins on Letwin amendment
If it passes, it will force the prime minister to ask the EU
to delay Brexit until the legislation underpinning Boris Johnson's Brexit deal
has passed in the Commons. The government has said if this happens,
it will pull the "meaningful vote" supposed
to follow soon after on the deal itself.

If it falls, we continue as normal to the next vote.
You can expect the result in around 15 minutes.]

[arista]

Letwin Vote

Yes :322

No : 306

[Nicky91]

so this means a no deal can be prevented

[arista]

so this means a no deal can be prevented



Johnson Live PM
said he will NOT delay

[Nicky91]

so Boris better hope his deal passes then through parliament

[arista]

He is meant to Delay Brexit
but is refusing to do that.



Labour Leader Warned Johnson PM
to follow this new act.


LBC are saying they expect the Speaker
to write the Delay letter

[bots]

looks like boris will say that the bill is progressing through parliament and so he doesn't need to send a letter requesting an extension

[arista]

looks like boris will say that the bill is progressing through parliament and so he doesn't need to send a letter requesting an extension


Yes Johnson PM is now taking the Vote for his Treaty
on Monday.

A Delay to the letter


LBC Live is saying someone else may send the letter.

[arista]

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[arista]

1185547634364309504

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1185539362181861376/Rv8lLJID?format=jpg&name=small
Letwin MP destroyed the the whole day
stopping the PM's Vote.

Wasted Saturday.


Now on Monday Johnson PM will try again.................

[Sticks]

We're Leaving without a deal
We're Leaving without a deal
Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
We're Leaving without a deal

Thanks to the Labour party we are leaping victoriously free, (No negative talk of crashing out :nono: ), unfettered by scuzzy deals

I can not wait to see that wonderful new border wall constructed across Northern Ireland, after the temporary measure of razor wire and landmines, with border guards with orders to shoot to kill with no warning.

It is going to be great when we strike down the Good Friday Capitulation and Surrender to the IRA Agreement.

A glorious return to troops patrolling the streets of Northern Ireland

£350m a week for the NHS (Proven true in Court)

All thanks to Oliver and the Labour Party, the true supporters of No Deal Hard Brexit... :spin2:


:bored:

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1185539362181861376/Rv8lLJID?format=jpg&name=small
Letwin MP destroyed the the whole day
stopping the PM's Vote.

Wasted Saturday.


Now on Monday Johnson PM will try again.................

A patriot :clap2:

[Nicky91]

sometimes i think Sticks goes too far with his sarcasm :o

[Sticks]

sometimes i think Sticks goes too far with his sarcasm :o

Really :shrug:

Satire please, its Satire :dance:


as well as a bucket load of sarcasm...

:joker:

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-anti-brexit-march-paul-mcgann_4809443.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191019132848

Yes Captain
I am looking forward
to Your new Star Trek Sub Series
on Amazon Prime.

Today you wasted a day
Parliament is not doing a 2nd Vote

[Twosugars]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-anti-brexit-march-paul-mcgann_4809443.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191019132848

Yes Captain
I am looking forward
to Your new Star Trek Sub Series
on Amazon Prime.

Today you wasted a day
Parliament is not doing a 2nd Vote

Theres something like following your principles. Day has not been wasted

[arista]

Theres something like following your principles. Day has not been wasted


Sure you could say that.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-brexit-protest-parliament_4809338.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191019112300

Perfect for our Twosugars
nice guy.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-pro-brexit-protest_4809488.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191019135329

And a Fella
standing for his rights.

[arista]

Newsnight BBC2HD Saturday Special Live
and Ch4HD News Live
both confirmed the PM Johnson would
have got his Vote Through,
However some Backbenchers wanted to
handcuff the PM - meaning he must Extend
the Date.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/BD5C/production/_109267484_boris_brexit_plan_inf640_v9-nc.png

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-letter-boris-johnson_4810142.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191019194721


A letter to his MPs

https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-tells-mps-there-is-a-burning-desire-to-get-brexit-done-11839261

[Kizzy]

Brexit delay...

Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU by 00:00 BST to request a Brexit delay - but he will not sign it, according to a Downing Street source.

The request will be accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which will say he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said.

The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote.

It is expected Donald Tusk will now consult EU leaders about an extension.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50112924

[UserSince2005]

love boris is such a champ, labour thought this had stitched him up good and proper with the vote but he comes with his hilarious letter.

Give us a no deal tusky puss

[UserSince2005]

Protesters hound Jacob and his son was horrific to watch. Worst thing since Jo Cox.

[Twosugars]

Peoples March was beautiful to behold :dance:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHJezAbWwAEsrsh?format=jpg&name=360x360



https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1185667554016219141/AVvUSU4P?format=jpg&name=small

[Twosugars]

Arista, resize pls

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13FEB/production/_109299818_ex20.jpg

[Twosugars]

Thanks :)

[arista]

Johnson PM
wrote 2 letters to the EU.

So on Monday Courts in Scotland
are expected to comment on this.


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-asks-eu-for-brexit-delay-but-remains-committed-to-halloween-deadline-11840079



[Brexit: Boris Johnson asks EU for three-month extension to deadline
The prime minister has requested a further extension to the Article 50 negotiating period to 31 January 2020.]

[bots]

Johnson PM
wrote 2 letters to the EU.

So on Monday Courts in Scotland
are expected to comment on this.


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-asks-eu-for-brexit-delay-but-remains-committed-to-halloween-deadline-11840079



[Brexit: Boris Johnson asks EU for three-month extension to deadline
The prime minister has requested a further extension to the Article 50 negotiating period to 31 January 2020.]

There were 3 letters in total , with one of them being signed by Boris, one from the permanent eu rep and the one required by parliament.

He will be in trouble with the courts because he said the letter was from parliament and that he didnt agree with it. That is in conflict with what was required by the court

[arista]

There were 3 letters in total , with one of them being signed by Boris, one from the permanent eu rep and the one required by parliament.

He will be in trouble with the courts because he said the letter was from parliament and that he didnt agree with it. That is in conflict with what was required by the court



In Trouble
but in Power

[Kazanne]

Protesters hound Jacob and his son was horrific to watch. Worst thing since Jo Cox.

Yes,the sore losers can do nothing but abuse and shout at people, low IQs I reckon.:hehe:

[bots]

there are many parts of the deal I don't like, but I think May put it very well yesterday. MP's can't say that they respect the referendum and then keep rejecting deals because that only leaves no deal left.

There is not a chance in hell that parliament will all get what they want, so stop playing politics and get the deal done and move on.

[arista]

[08:41 (Ridge SkyNewsHD Live )

'Pointless' having another meaningful vote
John McDonnell says it would be "pointless" and
a "political stunt" to bring another meaningful
vote on the PM's Brexit deal after Johnson
pulled the one supposed to go ahead yesterday.
He adds he's "not even sure" if the
Speaker will allow it.]

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHRdrUPX0AA_4mP?format=jpg&name=medium

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[Nicky91]

and after brexit, hopefully we will see the end of the UK and england, NI, scotland, wales as independent countries

#BreakUpUnitedKingdom
#IStandwithScotland,Wales

[bots]

i can't wait to hear labour supporters reaction to the DUP supporting labour in the future, particularly if labour suggest a customs union amendment .... which the DUP would probably now back :laugh:

[arista]

and after brexit, hopefully we will see the end of the UK and england, NI, scotland, wales as independent countries

#BreakUpUnitedKingdom
#IStandwithScotland,Wales



No they just want to keep their Language
in Wales.
Thats all.

[Liam-]

and after brexit, hopefully we will see the end of the UK and england, NI, scotland, wales as independent countries

#BreakUpUnitedKingdom
#IStandwithScotland,Wales

There is a small fringe here that wants independence, the majority of us know that it’s an unacheivable situation that would completely destroy us as a country, what utter tripe

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes,the sore losers can do nothing but abuse and shout at people, low IQs I reckon.:hehe:

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Here's a brexiteer admitting it's going to shaft the economy on sky, yet it's still about winning and losing to brexiteers. Remainers don't care that they lost the vote, they care about what will unnecessarily harm the country.

We're all losers when they eventually force something through, and not being sore about it won't protect your family from the consequences.

[bots]

but Amber is a remainer and always has been

[Cherie]

There is a small fringe here that wants independence, the majority of us know that it’s an unacheivable situation that would completely destroy us as a country, what utter tripe

Nicky is standing with the small welsh contingent

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHT_Q70WwAA-w9z?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

"Here's a brexiteer admitting "

You have her Wrong Slim.
on the Next Election
she is Gone.

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Protesters hound Jacob and his son was horrific to watch. Worst thing since Jo Cox.

It was a protest, why was his boy there..I saw the pic of him ushering the lad in front of him like some kind of human shield, the coward!
Face the people and take the shame mogg!! You work for us remember. Comparing this to the murder of Jo Cox is beyond ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

With or without a referendum attached I don't think starmer should've suggested the deal be passed.
Without the legally binding protections for workers rights and the environment he should've been told in no uncertain terms to shove it!!

[arista]

It was a protest, why was his boy there..I saw the pic of him ushering the lad in front of him like some kind of human shield, the coward!
Face the people and take the shame mogg!! You work for us remember. Comparing this to the murder of Jo Cox is beyond ridiculous.



"Saturday" he takes his kid with him.

[Kizzy]

"Saturday" he takes his kid with him.

Explain what this means please.

[arista]

Explain what this means please.


He is not normally in Parliament on a Saturday
so he took his son with him.

[UserSince2005]

It was a protest, why was his boy there..I saw the pic of him ushering the lad in front of him like some kind of human shield, the coward!
Face the people and take the shame mogg!! You work for us remember. Comparing this to the murder of Jo Cox is beyond ridiculous.

how dare you! what a horrendous thing to say.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

It was a protest, why was his boy there..I saw the pic of him ushering the lad in front of him like some kind of human shield, the coward!
Face the people and take the shame mogg!! You work for us remember. Comparing this to the murder of Jo Cox is beyond ridiculous.

You should be able to take your kids with you without them being subjected to what they were, imo its disgusting no matter who its aimed at , these people are supposed to be adults, not throwing their dummies out because something hasn't gone their way, and I doubt very much he would use his child as a human shield , more like he was ushering him to safety as some of those people are quite volatile, why would anyone think that was acceptable no matter what side they are on . :shrug: He works for us and is trying to carry out the will of the people that want to leave.

[Twosugars]

Mogg did this on purpose, he knew a large demonstration was scheduled

Disgusting behaviour from a parent

[Kizzy]

He is not normally in Parliament on a Saturday
so he took his son with him.

Why though. .it wasn't drag your brat to work through a protest day was it? How boring for the lad I'm sure he had better things to do than to sit outside the Hoc waiting for his dad to finish work.... pffft
Lets be real he did it for this photo op, fancy using your own children as props :/ what a weirdo.

[Saph]

lmao whoever bumped this is shady

[Kizzy]

You should be able to take your kids with you without them being subjected to what they were, imo its disgusting no matter who its aimed at , these people are supposed to be adults, not throwing their dummies out because something hasn't gone their way, and I doubt very much he would use his child as a human shield , more like he was ushering him to safety as some of those people are quite volatile, why would anyone think that was acceptable no matter what side they are on . :shrug: He works for us and is trying to carry out the will of the people that want to leave.
If they were being volatile why did he usher him in past them? ... they were there all day.
He did it for the story to be about mogg and his brat leaving past the protestors and not the real issue which is the rubbish deal that the people outside know is not in our best interests, specifically in relation to the non legally binding rights and protections.
Trying to dumb the discussion down to silly dummy analogies is about as helpful as the 'remoaners' comments you see in reference to the protesters.

[Twosugars]

From what I saw on tv nobody was aggressive towards him, they simply shouted "shame on you"

Much worse could be said about him.

[arista]

Why though. .it wasn't drag your brat to work through a protest day was it? How boring for the lad I'm sure he had better things to do than to sit outside the Hoc waiting for his dad to finish work.... pffft
Lets be real he did it for this photo op, fancy using your own children as props :/ what a weirdo.



But Every Saturday
he takes care of his son.
Why should he change it
he would not know Nasty Shouters
would hound him and his son
to his near road of his home.

[arista]

From what I saw on tv nobody was aggressive towards him, they simply shouted "shame on you"

Much worse could be said about him.


Rubbish
loads were Shouting Vile words.

The National TV news
of course did not show it all.

[Kizzy]

But Every Saturday
he takes care of his son.
Why should he change it
he would not know Nasty Shouters
would hound him and his son
to his near road of his home.

How do you know the ins and out of moggs world? If you have to go into work then why take just the one? Why not take all 6... don't they deserve to see daddy on a Saturday?

[arista]

How do you know the ins and out of moggs world? If you have to go into work then why take just the one? Why not take all 6... don't they deserve to see daddy on a Saturday?


He Told us on his LBC show

[arista]

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[UserSince2005]

How do you know the ins and out of moggs world? If you have to go into work then why take just the one? Why not take all 6... don't they deserve to see daddy on a Saturday?

this ones going to be your prime minster one day, show some respect to the little mogg

[Kizzy]

Rubbish
loads were Shouting Vile words.

The National TV news
of course did not show it all.

Then again, why take the boy?. .. it's a protest not a boy scout jamboree!
There were thousands and thousands of pepole there of course someone was going to say something that could be deemed as offensive.
Tensions are high. It's also quite telling that there was no outcry like this when gina Miller was being heckled in the street, or judges involved being hounded in public and in the press as traitors... hmm?

[Kizzy]

1185978599343644672

Good ..enough time to sort the workers and evironment issues out :)

[Twosugars]

Mogg should be ashamed to drag his child into the political arena

Despicable

[MTVN]

Amazing how someone walks home from work with their son and it's their fault they needed a police escort to do so

[MTVN]

Then again, why take the boy?. .. it's a protest not a boy scout jamboree!
There were thousands and thousands of pepole there of course someone was going to say something that could be deemed as offensive.
Tensions are high. It's also quite telling that there was no outcry like this when gina Miller was being heckled in the street, or judges involved being hounded in public and in the press as traitors... hmm?

He was at Parliament all day, he lives nearby. He has to leave Parliament at some point and return to his home. That's what he was doing

[Kizzy]

He was at Parliament all day, he lives nearby. He has to leave Parliament at some point and return to his home. That's what he was doing

He took him during a protest and he left during a protest.. what did he think would happen?

Neither the child nor mogg were in any danger, it was a few words .. get over it.

[UserSince2005]

He took him during a protest and he left during a protest.. what did he think would happen?

Neither the child nor mogg were in any danger, it was a few words .. get over it.

these lefties are nut cases you can see from the video evidence. they could have killed them both if the police werent there

[Twosugars]

Amazing how someone walks home from work with their son and it's their fault they needed a police escort to do so

That's baiting

[Twosugars]

these lefties are nut cases you can see from the video evidence. they could have killed them both if the police werent there

They are not like right wing but cases who actually kill

Comparing some shouting to the murder of Joe Cox shows complete lack of morality and desperation

[UserSince2005]

They are not like right wing but cases who actually kill

Comparing some shouting to the murder of Joe Cox shows complete lack of morality and desperation

its jo not joe, she wasnt a man haha lolz

[MTVN]

He took him during a protest and he left during a protest.. what did he think would happen?

Neither the child nor mogg were in any danger, it was a few words .. get over it.

A man should be able to leave his place of work and walk home with his son without a police escort, this is not normal behaviour

Interesting how willing people are to indulge in victim blaming when someone they don't like is the target...

[MTVN]

That's baiting

No it isn't

[Kizzy]

A man should be able to leave his place of work and walk home with his son without a police escort, this is not normal behaviour

Interesting how willing people are to indulge in victim blaming when someone they don't like is the target...

For the last time it was a protest.. there are lots of mps I don't like where are the news items about them? Nope it was mogg and his very obvious photo op ghat took the spotlight away from the issue. Job done mogg.

I don't appreciate the inference I'm biased either MTVN but I'll overlook it.. for now.

[AnnieK]

A man should be able to leave his place of work and walk home with his son without a police escort, this is not normal behaviour

Interesting how willing people are to indulge in victim blaming when someone they don't like is the target...

Ah, come on. Whilst I agree with your first paragraph.....this was far from a normal day and he would have known that. Whether it was a publicity stunt, or just coincidence, it was ill thoight out. I didn't take my son into Manchester when the conference was here because of all the protests. Why would he have thought taking a youngish child to Parliament on such a massive day in the Brexit debacle was ever going to be a good idea?

[Kizzy]

Thank you Annie. . It's not just me that thought it was totally surreal to take a child directly through a protest... however peaceful. The guy is crazy.

[MTVN]

Well I won't press it but I don't think it's a lot to ask to expect that protesters do not target someone with a child or require them to use a police escort, it's indicative of the nastiness of politics in this country atm and should not be normalised or shrugged off imo. People should be able to make their point and protest without stooping to that and I think that about when Anna Soubry or Diane Abbott is harassed as well. It's not just about having his kid there tbh because people shouldn't need such a strong police escort anyway but it's pretty common for MPs to have their children and families in parliament, I don't know the circumstances of why his son was with him - for all we know childcare had fallen through or something like that - but it's a bit mean spirited to make JRM out to be the guilty one in this situation imo

[Kizzy]

Get some perspective! It was a protest, people are angry in the most English way possible and shouted a couple of harsh words for God's sake. ... calm down.

Childcare had fallen through? Where were the other minimoggs then, home alone? Building a time machine back to 1842?

[Twosugars]

Well I won't press it but I don't think it's a lot to ask to expect that protesters do not target someone with a child or require them to use a police escort, it's indicative of the nastiness of politics in this country atm and should not be normalised or shrugged off imo. People should be able to make their point and protest without stooping to that and I think that about when Anna Soubry or Diane Abbott is harassed as well. It's not just about having his kid there tbh because people shouldn't need such a strong police escort anyway but it's pretty common for MPs to have their children and families in parliament, I don't know the circumstances of why his son was with him - for all we know childcare had fallen through or something like that - but it's a bit mean spirited to make JRM out to be the guilty one in this situation imo

You are so trying to score a point out of his ridiculous decision to take his kid there on that particular day when there was a large demo scheduled
I will also tell you this, I was in Whitehall couple of weeks ago to show sights to a friend and politicians, including very well known faces regularly shuttled between downing street and parliament without any escort, mingling with passers by freely.
We saw ids and davis strolling by. Nobody bothered them even though london is firmly remain and a very pro European city. So there.

[Twosugars]

Get some perspective! It was a protest, people are angry in the most English way possible and shouted a couple of harsh words for God's sake. ... calm down.

Childcare had fallen through? Where were the other minimoggs then, home alone? Building a time machine back to 1842?

:laugh:

[bots]

if we get through Brexit without an MP or a family member being killed or seriously injured it will be a miracle I think. I've said before, everyone needs to dial it back a bit

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1186170256919814144/ymo2fAj_?format=jpg&name=small

Yes Fight time today in Parliament
starts at 2:30PM

And

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1185981784326103042/_PINtg-w?format=jpg&name=small

[Kazanne]

Rubbish
loads were Shouting Vile words.

The National TV news
of course did not show it all.

Correct again arista :wavey:

[Kizzy]

Rubbish
loads were Shouting Vile words.

The National TV news
of course did not show it all.

If it wasn't shown how do you know that?...
And so what if they were, it's just words!
You can't go to prison for hurting someone's feelings .yet.

[arista]

If it wasn't shown how do you know that?...
And so what if they were, it's just words!
You can't go to prison for hurting someone's feelings .yet.


It was on Twitter

[AnnieK]

The people protesting are trying to protect their familes. Unlike JRM, when Brexit screws the economy etc, we won't have a Police escort to protect our children and families, it will be left to usto protect them with fewer jobs, food shortages etc etc. I

[arista]

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and

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHZpf65WwAETGFa?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Bercow to Rule
on if Johnson PM can do his Treaty/Deal Vote
at around 3:30PM.

Defense Questions are Live now
Parliament Ch.

[arista]

Commons Speaker Bercow
As its the same as Saturday
he has Rejected
The Motion to be taken today


All Media.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHaMa8VW4AECO96?format=png&name=small


However the Bill
can start today.


So JonhsonPM will have a Modify his treaty
fast , to get it to go through.
Political Editor on LBC said.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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I watched James
get all his facts wrong
when Andrew Neil
played clips on a TV screen
of what David Cameron said.


Showing Cocky James McGory
to be a Utter Fool

[Twosugars]

Let's revoke and be done with it :)

[arista]

Let's revoke and be done with it :)


No it will run down
to next week Thursday 31st of October

Johnson PM
will have to modify
his Treaty / Deal
rush over to the EU
rush back.


Tomorrow they will vote on some
Legislation

[Twosugars]

No it will run down
to next week Thursday 31st of October

Johnson PM
will have to modify
his Treaty / Deal
rush over to the EU
rush back.


Tomorrow they will vote on some
Legislation

People are fed up with brexit. It has not worked, time to call it all off

[arista]

People are fed up with brexit. It has not worked, time to call it all off


Sure "Some are Fed Up"


But also Some want Brexit Done.

[arista]

Tuesday 22nd , reading the EU Bill
Wednesday 23rd continuation of the EU Withdrawal Bill
Thursday 24th Conclusion of the EU Withdrawal Bill

Friday Parliament is Closed. (Typical)

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHapLHKW4AEf4-C?format=png&name=small


Looks like we are still leaving on October the 31st Thursday
next week.


https://www.gov.uk/brexit


[18:42
Michael Gove MP warns no-deal Brexit could lead to direct rule in N Ireland]

[Twosugars]

Theres a law that a treaty level bill has to be laid out in parliament for 21 days minimum

So forget about 31st Arista

[arista]

Theres a law that a treaty level bill has to be laid out in parliament for 21 days minimum

So forget about 31st Arista


That was changed tonight.

[arista]

The Government Agreement Bill
has been Published
ready for Tomorrow in Parliament.