Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

[joeysteele]

…such an outstandingly powerful speech from Blinne Ni Ghralaigh…it’s impossible to imagine the horrors in Gaza atm, the horror that has become an everyday world …words just couldn’t describe and yet somehow, her words did describe every brutal act…her words bring it all into vision and you could feel how much those in the room felt that too…

Incredibly strong speech I agree.

It's devastating and heartbreaking.

[Nicky91]

solid statements from South Africa :clap1: :clap1:


the root of the problem of Israel with gaza is way deeper than just the Hamas terrorists




Asia's AFC were so correct in kicking these trolls out back then, UEFA and EBU need to follow their example tbh



i am never gonna be silent anymore on May 4th for Israel :idc: i'll be silent for palestinians instead

[Oliver_W]

i am never gonna be silent anymore on May 4th for Israel :idc: i'll be silent for palestinians instead

Either way, it's appreciated x

[Vanessa]

…such an outstandingly powerful speech from Blinne Ni Ghralaigh…it’s impossible to imagine the horrors in Gaza atm, the horror that has become an everyday world …words just couldn’t describe and yet somehow, her words did describe every brutal act…her words bring it all into vision and you could feel how much those in the room felt that too…

I've been following this. Amazing speech. I really hope Palestine win this.
I know ri won't change anything, but at least they're trying

[Vanessa]

solid statements from South Africa :clap1: :clap1:


the root of the problem of Israel with gaza is way deeper than just the Hamas terrorists




Asia's AFC were so correct in kicking these trolls out back then, UEFA and EBU need to follow their example tbh



i am never gonna be silent anymore on May 4th for Israel :idc: i'll be silent for palestinians instead
The land has always belonged to Palestine. Israel stole it by force.

[Nicky91]

yup

President Abbas (88 years old nowadays btw) his family fled to Syria back in the 1948 Palestine War, first israeli-palestinian conflict


you can find every bit of information on wikipedia :)


Hamas was created after Israel occupied palestinian territory back in 1967 as a means of defending themselves against their aggressor



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i am not antisemitic, what was done to the jewish people in 40-45 is also horrible yes, but no need to do the exact same thing to the palestinians either :idc: this pisses me off that their ego's are too huge for them not to see the mistakes they made

[bots]

The land has always belonged to Palestine. Israel stole it by force.

thats just not true Vanessa, please verify your historical information about the origins of Israel

[Livia]

The land has always belonged to Palestine. Israel stole it by force.

Palestine was a name given to the area by the Romans 2000 years ago during their occupation, six hundred years before the birth of Islam. It was a derogatory term. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but it's not a reliable source.

[user104658]

thats just not true Vanessa, please verify your historical information about the origins of Israel

Israel didn't even steal the land they were given it by us. And we sort of inherited it. I guess it was definitely the plaything of empires though so it was at SOME point stolen from someone ... I guess you could accuse them of handling stolen goods :think:.

But not really because the USA exists, and for the USA to exist legitimately we have to accept Lockian philosophy as valid, and if Lockian philosophy is valid then Israel belonged to the Palestinians before Britain signed it over as Israeli land.

It all gets a bit silly if you think about it too much because at the end of the day, physical borders are imaginary things that we just sort of made up. They don't actually exist, they just represent a status quo agreement.

[Ninastar]

I didn’t see it before but I can definitely see why there was accusations of antisemitism on here

I do have to bear in mind that it’s mostly baiting… but still. Gross

[Nicky91]

thats just not true Vanessa, please verify your historical information about the origins of Israel

Israel didn't even steal the land they were given it by us. And we sort of inherited it. I guess it was definitely the plaything of empires though so it was at SOME point stolen from someone ... I guess you could accuse them of handling stolen goods :think:.

But not really because the USA exists, and for the USA to exist legitimately we have to accept Lockian philosophy as valid, and if Lockian philosophy is valid then Israel belonged to the Palestinians before Britain signed it over as Israeli land.

It all gets a bit silly if you think about it too much because at the end of the day, physical borders are imaginary things that we just sort of made up. They don't actually exist, they just represent a status quo agreement.

Israel occupied palestinian territory in 1948, since then this war has been going on

Hamas was formed as a means of defence in 1967

[Nicky91]

what a lame response from Israel at south africa's statements, again saying Hamas using palestinians as human shields

tell us something we don't know already :idc: and u could've used help from USA their navy seals to fight terrorism honestly with a more cleaner, preciser approach


so lame ******* excuse from IDF now :idc:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Sadly
Two Hostages
have been shown dead in Gaza

A Video showed the two.

Hamas said an IDF missile killed them.


All Media,

[arista]

Photo of the 2 hostages, Killed.

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

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well said Benny, demolish palestine entirely

[The Slim Reaper]

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[user104658]

The eradication of Gaza has been such a clear goal in this conflict that this was an inevitability. At this point I'm fairly convinced - like 80% convinced - they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza. I think there are probably some extremely frustrated individuals out there because the world's reaction has been so mixed.

[bots]

honestly, words have no meaning in this conflict now, we just have to see how it all plays out

[The Slim Reaper]

Genocide, not conflict.

[joeysteele]

The eradication of Gaza has been such a clear goal in this conflict that this was an inevitability. At this point I'm fairly convinced - like 80% convinced - they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza. I think there are probably some extremely frustrated individuals out there because the world's reaction has been so mixed.

How I'd love to think that wasn't so.

However once Netanyahu was back in power in Israel.
I expected conflict to be more than likely.

I'm more in agreement with your post above now.
I'm dismayed and disgusted at the now endless slaughtering of innocents Inc children going on.
Heartbreaking.

[joeysteele]

Genocide, not conflict.

I think you may well be shown to be right on that too.
Awful.

[bots]

The eradication of Gaza has been such a clear goal in this conflict that this was an inevitability. At this point I'm fairly convinced - like 80% convinced - they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza. I think there are probably some extremely frustrated individuals out there because the world's reaction has been so mixed.

the palestinians had been planning the attack and preparing for it for years, so i think you have gone one conspiracy too far

[bots]

Explosions have hit Damascus, the Syrian capital, according to local reports.

There were also "plumes of smoke" seen across different sites in the city, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Videos, which the BBC has been unable to verify, showed a large cloud of smoke and buildings destroyed.

[Nicky91]

the palestinians had been planning the attack and preparing for it for years, so i think you have gone one conspiracy too far

do you have evidence to back this up?


also i doubt Israel will continue with the bloodshed once Hamas is gone, when they eliminated Hamas, Netanyahu will be removed from power, and everyone of his loyalists i think to start building towards a better future again, normalizing relations either, handing an apology for some mistakes made in this crisis which cost the lives of several innocent palestinians



in terms of the other crisis, UK and USA are involved over in Yemen, they too same as Israel, fight terrorism, what the Houthi's are, terrorists against cargo ships

[Nicky91]

not everyone is on Netanyahu's side i think within the israeli politics, the other Benny for example Gantz, he is his opposition, they only joined forces to fight against Hamas


and i doubt Netanyahu has public support either lmao, below freezing point now i guess

[user104658]

the palestinians had been planning the attack and preparing for it for years, so i think you have gone one conspiracy too far

That doesn't really have any bearing on what I said. Like I said, I'm not saying it's a fully false flag, I'm saying it can be both true that Hamas planned the attack over several years AND someone in a position of knowledge/influence could have leaked information about where there'd be a vulnerability and when.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/BRHarvie/status/1748895422763155477

New trending Boycot PizzaHut
as they supplied the IDF.

[Livia]

The Israelis sold out their own people and dangled them like bait in order to have an excuse to attack Gaza? Honestly... of all the outrageous spouts of bullsh*t I've encountered since the start of this, that's the jointly the cruelest and the most hilarious.

[user104658]

The Israelis sold out their own people and dangled them like bait in order to have an excuse to attack Gaza? Honestly... of all the outrageous spouts of bullsh*t I've encountered since the start of this, that's the jointly the cruelest and the most hilarious.

I did not say "The Israelis" I said someone, i.e. someone in a position of political influence with vested interests.

If your argument is that there aren't uncaring and fully corrupt individuals present in every government of every country in the world, then I think you need to take stock of what's actually hilarious. And to argue at this point that the current intent is anything other than the full depopulation and removal of Gaza from the board is equally hilarious. That is very clearly the prevailing desire here, and that suits the pre-existing politics of some people very nicely.

If your argument is that the depopulation and annexation of Gaza is a normal and proportionate response to the events of 7th Oct then tbh I think you need to pull the other one. No one could legitimately believe that.

[Livia]

You didn't say "someone", you said "they".

... they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza.

[Nicky91]

anti-terrorism is always used as a excuse for the desire to create more bloodshed


same now in Yemen, by the USA, UK to get involved there because you know $$$$



being such dumb***** killing our General Suleimani (whom was also fighting terrorism) but yeah stupid USA thought he was a threat to them :rolleyes: they murdered him with that killer drone bomb, he left behind a wife and 3 young children btw, children who now have to grow up without a daddy, because the USA thought they were fighting the good fight, being patriots and everything



same with Netanyahu, fighting the good fight like patriots against Hamas, and not thinking of any innocent victims in Gaza, kids who become orphans, kids who get killed in the crossfire



the middle east were managing just fine against russia, against terrorism, without interference of the west



at least i personally can say i ain't a hypocrite, and i am also against terrorism, but more dealing with terrorism the cleanest way without loss of other life



if i were a israeli leader, i myself would do everything to strengthen alliances with the middle east, rather than pushing them further away, villifying ourselves towards the middle east

[Oliver_W]

if i were a israeli leader, i myself would do everything to strengthen alliances with the middle east, rather than pushing them further away, villifying ourselves towards the middle east

Bruh. Muslim countries hate Israel purely for existing, they're not going to respond in earnest to any amount of olive branches.

[Nicky91]

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nice gesture what was here in my nation last month, at the dam in amsterdam, 8.000 shoes for palestinian children killed in conflict with Israel



shame those pro-hamas protester thugs have to ruin it, making this conflict only worse and more chaotic across the world :( thankfully no pro-hamas protests yet in my nation

[user104658]

You didn't say "someone", you said "they".

... they deliberately poked a hole in their anti-terrorism defense measures and leaked it. Not entirely a false flag per se but I think they, plain and simple, desperately wanted a justification for a ground invasion of Gaza.

To clarify as a blanket statement (about all countries) - something I'm sure I've said before - in my view a country's government is a completely separate consideration to it's civilians. Making a comment about what Israel's influential political figures may or may not have done is not a blanket statement at all about the people of Israel... or even everyone involved in Israeli politics. I'm well aware that not every political group in Israel is Zionist, and even more aware that the level at which you can consider a country's politicians to be representative of their population is - sadly - extremely low.

God forbid anyone think that my views are represented by EITHER of the current gaggle of SNP or Tories.

[Livia]

To clarify as a blanket statement (about all countries) - something I'm sure I've said before - in my view a country's government is a completely separate consideration to it's civilians. Making a comment about what Israel's influential political figures may or may not have done is not a blanket statement at all about the people of Israel... or even everyone involved in Israeli politics. I'm well aware that not every political group in Israel is Zionist, and even more aware that the level at which you can consider a country's politicians to be representative of their population is - sadly - extremely low.

God forbid anyone think that my views are represented by EITHER of the current gaggle of SNP or Tories.

Blah blah...

[user104658]

Blah blah...

:shrug: I've been clear enough all through this thread that I draw a distinction between both Jewish people/the citizens of Israel/the politics of Israel and Hamas/civilian Palestinians. Whether or not you believe that isn't massively relevant.

[arista]

Sadly over 20 IDF died
as they were hit while they were sorting bombs out

24 IDF killed in one day


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68065903

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

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What are they even trying to say with that one?

[arista]

What are they even trying to say with that one?

The IDF
are killing everything.

[bots]

What are they even trying to say with that one?

they are killing the green shoots (children) at a guess

[Oliver_W]

Ah, I see.

Very clever and symbolic.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

the court has no power to enforce anything, so it's a show

[Stu]

the court has no power to enforce anything, so it's a show
It's poor optics, which can mount international pressure, which can change the world. Remember that we're mere weeks out from city halls across the western world falling over themselves to tart up their exteriors in Israeli flags.

Everything's a show.

[bots]

all the court has said is that Israel must take all reasonable measures to avoid genocide. They will argue that what they are doing is not genocide, so, nothing will change

[Stu]

all the court has said is that Israel must take all reasonable measures to avoid genocide. They will argue that what they are doing is not genocide, so, nothing will change
Oh for sure I do think there's a very strong chance indeed nothing will change, but this isn't taking into account the domino effect prevalent in the interlocking politics of nation states.

It's the biggest PR blow yet for what - in Gallant's own words - is "eliminating everything" and fighting "human animals." Blows like this can result in increased pressure from the international community. It's certainly not going to lessen the chance that the U.S. takes another step to Netanyahu. That has a huge potential effect on everything from funding to the sheer will to prolong this conflict.

Anyway I'm forgetting what's important. Did the ICJ condemn Hamas?

[Nicky91]

*Palestinians protected group under Genocide Convention
*The court says it has jurisdiction to rule in the case.
*The court orders Israel to take measures to prevent acts of genocide in the Gaza Strip, must report back in one month.
*The court says Israel must prevent and punish incitement to genocide in the Strip.
*The court says Israel must allow humanitarian aid into the Strip.
*The court obliges Israel to take more measures to protect Palestinians but does not order it to end military operations in the Strip.

.



so how's Benny gonna react to that, i bet he'll ignore most of this, the power hungry moron he is, obsessed with the extreme far right

[The Slim Reaper]

Israel have done nothing wrong. Hamas, hamas. hamas.

to

ICJ doesn't mean anything and won't stop Israel.

[Nicky91]

Israel have done nothing wrong. Hamas, hamas. hamas.

to

ICJ doesn't mean anything and won't stop Israel.

of course it likely won't stop dictator Netanyahu in his desire of further stealing Gaza territory for his own nation :sad:

[Oliver_W]

all the court has said is that Israel must take all reasonable measures to avoid genocide. They will argue that what they are doing is not genocide, so, nothing will change

Well there's not a strong argument to say they are committing genocide.

[arista]

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[user104658]

Well there's not a strong argument to say they are committing genocide.

There is if you look at the actual definition of genocide and not just the generally understood definition of genocide. By the definition, some of their words and actions are actually openly genocidal. It's not just rounding up and killing everyone, and it doesn't need to be everyone - genocidal actions can be "in whole or in part". It doesn't have to be an intent of total destruction.

The important one if the definitions to remember: "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions calculated to bring about it's destruction". And remember that this can be "in whole or in part". With that in mind, the expressed intent of Israeli forces to clear out Gaza - whether that be all of Gaza or just the north - is (by definition) genocidal in nature. They have outright stated this intent, and their actions are clearly within the description of "deliberately inflicting conditions" to force Palestinians out of Gaza.

[Stu]

Well there's not a strong argument to say they are committing genocide.
International courts of justice and the wider international community seem to think there may be a genocide happening. Literal words from high ranking officials in the IDF seem to speak to wanting a genocide to happen.

What's 26,000 dead compared to a bit of personal cognitive dissonance, right?

[bots]

So it turns out that there were some UN employees that joined hamas for the attack on israel .... good to see the UN employees are impartial

[Oliver_W]

There is if you look at the actual definition of genocide and not just the generally understood definition of genocide. By the definition, some of their words and actions are actually openly genocidal. It's not just rounding up and killing everyone, and it doesn't need to be everyone - genocidal actions can be "in whole or in part". It doesn't have to be an intent of total destruction.

The important one if the definitions to remember: "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions calculated to bring about it's destruction". And remember that this can be "in whole or in part". With that in mind, the expressed intent of Israeli forces to clear out Gaza - whether that be all of Gaza or just the north - is (by definition) genocidal in nature. They have outright stated this intent, and their actions are clearly within the description of "deliberately inflicting conditions" to force Palestinians out of Gaza.
I do see what you're saying... but that definition makes it pretty broad - "in part"? So were the Palestinians' attack a few months back also genocidal?


Literal words from high ranking officials in the IDF seem to speak to wanting a genocide to happen.

To which words are you referring?

[user104658]

I do see what you're saying... but that definition makes it pretty broad - "in part"? So were the Palestinians' attack a few months back also genocidal?

The goals of many (most) fundamentalist terrorist organisations could likely be described as genocidal but it's a little controversial and somewhat telling to be referring to Hamas as "the Palestinians".

At the end of the day though, looking with a little common sense, there is a vast difference between a handful of terrorists on gliders attacking a group of civilians, and the military of an organised, democratic, modern nation launching missile strikes and a ground invasion that kills tens of thousands of civilians and displaces millions.

It's not that any one death is "worse" than any other but there is an obvious difference in scale, here, and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

[joeysteele]

The goals of many (most) fundamentalist terrorist organisations could likely be described as genocidal but it's a little controversial and somewhat telling to be referring to Hamas as "the Palestinians".

At the end of the day though, looking with a little common sense, there is a vast difference between a handful of terrorists on gliders attacking a group of civilians, and the military of an organised, democratic, modern nation launching missile strikes and a ground invasion that kills tens of thousands of civilians and displaces millions.

It's not that any one death is "worse" than any other but there is an obvious difference in scale, here, and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.


Really good post.

I am just dismayed and deeply saddened.
With all involved.
I now honestly don't know what to think.

[bots]

i haven't looked at the detail of the war for some time, just occasional headlines that have attracted attention. Even if i was watching every moment, I don't think I could say anything with certainty given the amount of false information being pedalled.

My concern is escalation because that is looking more and more like it's inevitable and that will affect us big time

[arista]

A Drone bomber has killed
3 USA servicemen in Jordan.

[Nicky91]

A Drone bomber has killed
3 USA servicemen in Jordan.

vile Hamas now also attacking USA :(

[arista]

vile Hamas now also attacking USA :(


President Biden has blamed Iran,

[Nicky91]

President Biden has blamed Iran,

of course he does :bored:


adding more fuel to the fire to the US-Iran relations :mad:

[Cherie]

So it turns out that there were some UN employees that joined hamas for the attack on israel .... good to see the UN employees are impartial

not surprising unfortunately

[bots]

american congress are baying for blood

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

So it turns out that there were some UN employees that joined hamas for the attack on israel .... good to see the UN employees are impartial

Not true. Israel have accused 0.04% of the only agency providing any aid to Gaza, of something to do wi9th Hamas. No facts, no details, just an Israeli accusation a couple of days after the ICJ called them out.

Can't be sure of anything, but I'm pretty confident that this is a load of manufactured propaganda bollocks.

it's a headline to change the direction of the news. Our politicians were in complete silence when the ICJ ruled, but as soon as Israel makes an allegation, they've suddenly found their voices again.

US and UK immediately stopped providing aid. This is only in the interests of those happy to watch the genocide continue.

[arista]

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[bots]

Not true. Israel have accused 0.04% of the only agency providing any aid to Gaza, of something to do wi9th Hamas. No facts, no details, just an Israeli accusation a couple of days after the ICJ called them out.

Can't be sure of anything, but I'm pretty confident that this is a load of manufactured propaganda bollocks.

it's a headline to change the direction of the news. Our politicians were in complete silence when the ICJ ruled, but as soon as Israel makes an allegation, they've suddenly found their voices again.

US and UK immediately stopped providing aid. This is only in the interests of those happy to watch the genocide continue.

germany, canada and a few others too. What makes you an expert on the subject more than me to allow you to call me out on it, when, quite frankly, you don't have a clue and are just saying it because (i will put it mildly) you don't "like" israel

Just to put it in context, i believe you were one who said that Israel were making it up when hamas started this latest round off by attacking Israel

[Oliver_W]

Israel are always in the wrong, and Hamas are always in the right :nono:

Either way, this instance shouldn't be used as a stick with which to beat the UN as a whole.

[The Slim Reaper]

germany, canada and a few others too. What makes you an expert on the subject more than me to allow you to call me out on it, when, quite frankly, you don't have a clue and are just saying it because (i will put it mildly) you don't "like" israel

Just to put it in context, i believe you were one who said that Israel were making it up when hamas started this latest round off by attacking Israel

I didn't call you out, you big weirdo. I replied to your post about the topic, and you got in your feelings because of what happened in the migrants thread.

I don't know what you're on about with the last bit, so if you can quote the posts, then that would be helpful.

I've never said I'm an expert, but I have been talking about this situation for a long time, Bots, and your posts show you started paying attention on October 7th.

Completely made up being victimised, so you can feign your outrage :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Liam-]

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Just a coincidence I’m sure

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

Britain is ready to bring forward the moment when it formally recognises a Palestinian state, the foreign secretary has suggested.

Lord Cameron said Palestinians had to be given a political horizon to encourage peace in the Middle East.

He is beginning his fourth visit to the region since being appointed foreign secretary in November.

The UK has a responsibility to set out what a Palestinian state would look like, he told a Westminster reception.

The Palestinian people would have to be shown "irreversible progress" towards a two-state solution, Lord Cameron said.

"As that happens, we - with allies - will look at the issue of recognising a Palestinian state, including at the United Nations," he told the Conservative Middle East Council.

"That could be one of the things that helps to make this process irreversible."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68137220

[user104658]

Two-state solution still leaves "The Jerusalem Question" up in the air and there will never be anything resembling peace then. The only realistic solution is three-state. Israel, Palestine and Jerusalem as an independent city-state (like Vatican City) with international support and funding; neither Israeli nor Palestinian.

[bots]

it's a correct conclusion that unless they recognise palestine as a state there will always be problems. Of course it doesn't therefore mean that there won't be problems once recognised, thats way too simplistic

[user104658]

it's a correct conclusion that unless they recognise palestine as a state there will always be problems. Of course it doesn't therefore mean that there won't be problems once recognised, thats way too simplistic

Piffle, there's no precedent for countries fighting over border and boundary disputes! :umm2:

In all seriousness, any two-state solution is going to need a substantial DMZ. The Korea situation isn't and has never been ideal, but the DMZ mitigates a LOT of the potential problems.

[The Slim Reaper]

So....yeah.

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[bots]

is there a magic number where it becomes acceptable for the UN to be involved in it?

That seems to be what you are implying, which obviously is some twisted kind of thinking

[user104658]

is there a magic number where it becomes acceptable for the UN to be involved in it?

That seems to be what you are implying, which obviously is some twisted kind of thinking

There's obviously a level where it's a clear inflitration/high levels of corruption and a level where it's incidental. Investigations should be done either way but, for some appropriate sense of scale here, 6 out of 30,000 is 0.02% of UN employees.

And it's prident to ask questions in a situation where there's a clear reason for the accuser to want to discredit the accused.

Similar of course happened with Trump and the WHO (and ultimately the NHS, and healthcare staff all over the world) with Covid.

[The Slim Reaper]

is there a magic number where it becomes acceptable for the UN to be involved in it?

That seems to be what you are implying, which obviously is some twisted kind of thinking

Why do you keep trying to put words into my mouth? I asked you a follow up question the last time you did it at the top of this page, and you haven't bothered to reply, so if you want to have a l0ok and provide the proof of what you claimed I said, then that would be great.

A reminder of what i wrote that originally caused your jimmys to be fully rustled (shout out to legend killer).

Not true. Israel have accused 0.04% of the only agency providing any aid to Gaza, of something to do wi9th Hamas. No facts, no details, just an Israeli accusation a couple of days after the ICJ called them out.

Can't be sure of anything, but I'm pretty confident that this is a load of manufactured propaganda bollocks.

it's a headline to change the direction of the news. Our politicians were in complete silence when the ICJ ruled, but as soon as Israel makes an allegation, they've suddenly found their voices again.

US and UK immediately stopped providing aid. This is only in the interests of those happy to watch the genocide continue.

This sky article also accuses Israel of making accusations without proof, then you ignored the vid I posted of the former Israeli official saying that UNRWA needed to be destroyed. To add on to that, as Israel is busy trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians out of existence, do you think it's prudent that we accept whatever they are saying at face value? We did that, and immediately harmed the Palestinian's by removing funding for their aid. Who do you think that benefits the most? Seems like harming both UNRWA and Palestine is a win-win for Israel.

[Livia]

Palestinians aren't dancing in the streets anymore, and firing their AKs in the air, that's for sure

[arista]

David Cameron
now backs the UN Troops taking control
of Palestine

[Livia]

David Cameron
now backs the UN Troops taking control
of Palestine

To observe or keep the peace? Either way they are, and will always be, pointless. A bit like Cameron himself.

[arista]

To observe or keep the peace? Either way they are, and will always be, pointless. A bit like Cameron himself.


To Keep Peace

[bots]

there was a peace keeping force in place when i was young. All that happened was that the peace keeping force were killed until they pulled out. They couldn't do anything to protect themselves and ended up being killed by one method or another unable to fight back

[arista]

there was a peace keeping force in place when i was young. All that happened was that the peace keeping force were killed until they pulled out. They couldn't do anything to protect themselves and ended up being killed by one method or another unable to fight back


It can not be that version.

[bots]

It can not be that version.

what countries get put in the peace keeping force, the uk, europe, usa, canada etc etc can't be in it without being targets. Israel would never allow an african, russian or arab peace keeping force. Who is left to do it?

[arista]

Israel

will not control it
That is the point they are making

[bots]

Israel

will not control it
That is the point they are making

you can't have a peace keeping force without agreement of the sides. You dont seem to understand how these things work. If you force something on them that the combatants don't like, it wont stop any war

[arista]

you can't have a peace keeping force without agreement of the sides. You dont seem to understand how these things work. If you force something on them that the combatants don't like, it wont stop any war


This will be after the Current Leader is Isreal is gone from power

[user104658]

Palestinians aren't dancing in the streets anymore, and firing their AKs in the air, that's for sure

Well no, it's hard to dance in the streets when the streets are now more accurately piles of rubble and dust.

[Nicky91]

what you call terrorists in Palestine, i call freedom fighters for a noble cause


if i could do something, i'd safely evacuate the terrorist leaders to a secure facility, europe's tallest building in Malta, very safely away from the warzone

[Livia]

what you call terrorists in Palestine, i call freedom fighters for a noble cause


if i could do something, i'd safely evacuate the terrorist leaders to a secure facility, europe's tallest building in Malta, very safely away from the warzone


The terrorist leaders are already in safe places.

How about those who organised 7th October? Send them to Centre Parcs, maybe?

[Livia]

Well no, it's hard to dance in the streets when the streets are now more accurately piles of rubble and dust.

Yep.

[Nicky91]

The terrorist leaders are already in safe places.

How about those who organised 7th October? Send them to Centre Parcs, maybe?

yes, i wouldn't mind

[user104658]

How about those who organised 7th October? Send them to Centre Parcs, maybe?

Now that's just inhumane.

[Livia]

Now that's just inhumane.

Let it be a lesson to them.

[Livia]

yes, i wouldn't mind

Send them all to the Netherlands. You don't have nearly enough Islamists there.

[The Slim Reaper]

Shocked. Shocked I tells ya.

1754795774787916086

[arista]

Israel is not willing to agree on a Deal
as Hamas wants their troops removed from Gaza
for a break in the war,

To exchange Hostages



Ref : ITVnewsHD

[arista]

The Israel PM now Live

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
CNN HD

[arista]

He was live for 30mins
and took questions.

He will Eliminate all Hamas Terrorists
and claims he will be soon at that point?

[bots]

Israel was never going to agree to the hamas conditions, they were completely unrealistic

[DemRed]

As horrific as this is, at least the world has woken up to the reality of the Palestinian people.

[arista]

As horrific as this is, at least the world has woken up to the reality of the Palestinian people.


Are you a Former Poster?

[Oliver_W]

As horrific as this is, at least the world has woken up to the reality of the Palestinian people.

We've known how horrible Hamas are as rulers for a while.

[joeysteele]

Awful, all the news from the region is awful.

Netanyahu not even listening to the USA now.
The UK parliament as a whole, government and opposition,acts as if it's redundant.

Desperately sad, people haven't a clue where to go or where they could be safe.

[bots]

this is just normal for war. It never ends up being some heroic cause. In any war, there is always one side (or both) that suffer horrifying consequences. That is the true nature of war

[DemRed]

Are you a Former Poster? Yes

[DemRed]

We've known how horrible Hamas are as rulers for a while.

I'm not talking about Hamas, I'm talking about the apartheid on the Palestinians in Gaza.

[Livia]

Let's not forget Hamas was chosen by the good people of Gaza.

Israel is not an apartheid state and anyone who thinks it is needs to acquaint themselves with what apartheid is. Israel does not discriminate by ethnicity. Arab Israelis have equal rights under the law. No Israeli laws dictate segregation, not in education, not in medical treatment and Jews and Arabs live alongside each other in many cities in Israel. Arabs and Israelis have equal citizenship, either can vote and hold office; an Arab party is currently part of the government coalition. There are also Arab Muslims serving in the IDF. Arab citizens have freedom of movement in Israel, there are no laws restricting Arabs from living in any part of Israel. Mixed marriages are not against the law.

[Nicky91]

Send them all to the Netherlands. You don't have nearly enough Islamists there.

just don't be racist to them, you won't have any problems with them

[Livia]

just don't be racist to them, you won't have any problems with them

You think not? You poor, misguided Dutch person.

[DemRed]

Even Hendrik Verwoerd recognised the similarities between the South African Apartheid and I Israel.
So an apartheid consists of three opponents.

An intent to maintain a system of domination by one racial group over another.

Systematic oppression by one racial group over another

One or more inhumane acts, as defined, carried out on a widespread or systermatic basis pursuant to those policies. The later includes: forcible transfer Expropriation of landed property. Creation of separate reserves and ghettos. The right to leave and return to their country and the right to nationality.

[Livia]

if you're still equating Israel with South Africa, maybe you misunderstood my post.

[DemRed]

Still equating?!

I'll go with this: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2021/0428/Watchdog-says-Israeli-treatment-of-Arabs-amounts-to-apartheid

[arista]

2 Lucky Hostages
Freed by the IDF.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/12/israeli-hostages-freed-rafah-idf-gaza-report-dozens-palestinians-killed-strikes

[bots]

it justifies israel going in to Rafah. Hamas obviously knew this would happen or they wouldnt have placed hostages there

[joeysteele]

The more I hear from Netanyahu the more dismayed I become at this sad heartbreaking conflict.
Just so heartbreaking on both sides, for Israeli citizens and Palestinians too.

[Oliver_W]

The more I hear from Netanyahu the more dismayed I become at this sad heartbreaking conflict.
Just so heartbreaking on both sides, for Israeli citizens and Palestinians too.

You're dismayed the hostages were freed?

[arista]

Photo of the two men,
now released

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-30055f42-6930-4289-b329-509ebffc5cf9.png

[joeysteele]

You're dismayed the hostages were freed?

Of course it's great that some hostages were freed.

I'm talking about the overall rhetoric of Netanyahu, who I'm sorry but I feared trouble once he was elected again.
I see him as a major problem for Israel's standing and for a genuine peace.

He's even now heading in the opposite direction to one of Israel's biggest allies, the USA.

I can't see any real compromise or healing with Netanyahu leading Israel's government.
So more slaughtering of innocents, to continue under him.

[Beso]

I think freed is the wrong word...rescued is better.

[arista]

I think freed is the wrong word...rescued is better.


Sure.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD

Were showing Parliament Live
House Of Lords.

Loads of Old Folks (Green, LibDem, Labour) attacking
younger Lord Cameron over Israel


Now on ParliamentHD Ch.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGKPEGIXQAAXpfa?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF6wny0XEAAuBr5?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Tory MP Tobias Ellwood has been branded
a "war criminal" by pro-Palestinian demonstrators,
the Daily Express reports.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-71568da2-e88f-4f62-a2a4-f60a587c0422.png

[The Slim Reaper]

Let's not forget Hamas was chosen by the good people of Gaza.

Israel is not an apartheid state and anyone who thinks it is needs to acquaint themselves with what apartheid is. Israel does not discriminate by ethnicity. Arab Israelis have equal rights under the law. No Israeli laws dictate segregation, not in education, not in medical treatment and Jews and Arabs live alongside each other in many cities in Israel. Arabs and Israelis have equal citizenship, either can vote and hold office; an Arab party is currently part of the government coalition. There are also Arab Muslims serving in the IDF. Arab citizens have freedom of movement in Israel, there are no laws restricting Arabs from living in any part of Israel. Mixed marriages are not against the law.

Give this guy a watch. He fought apartheid in SA and served in Mandela's first government.

He's Jewish, and his mothers family was wiped out in Auschwitz.

TMGQGi10Atc

[UserSince2005]

Isreal are making some good progress. Luckily I don’t think this will take much longer.

[arista]

A Jewish young man
in Manchester interviewed on Ch4HDnews
last night,
said he is now considering leaving the UK.

He said a Van will wind down its window
having a go at him every other day.


He said he has
had enough of it.

[Nicky91]

Isreal are making some good progress. Luckily I don’t think this will take much longer.

hopefully they will receive loads of sanctions (same as Russia) by the UN, EU


they need to be punished for this horrible genocide of gaza

[Crimson Dynamo]

The minute you see the word "genocide" you know what the real agenda is....


:skull:

[Nicky91]

The minute you see the word "genocide" you know what the real agenda is....


:skull:

i can't deny the cold blooded murder of many palestinians tbh



this is not war, but genocide (even the pope called it that)

[DemRed]

I really believe that those who support Zionism, believe that to not support Zionism is to not support Jews. I support Jews but will never support Zionism which is merely a political ideology. This man says it all and its worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9xM7Jo1QPo

[Niamh.]

I really believe that those who support Zionism, believe that to not support Zionism is to not support Jews. I support Jews but will never support Zionism which is merely a political ideology. This man says it all and its worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9xM7Jo1QPo

Exactly. I think people purposely conflate the two to try and discredit opinions and conversation on it. There's plenty of Jewish people who disagree with Zionism as well.

[arista]

[Palestinian Factions Set to Meet with Putin Regime
as Israel Rejects Palestinian Statehood]

Hamas meeting Putin
in the Kremlin.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/palestinian-factions-set-to-meet-with-putin-regime-as-israel-rejects-palestinian-statehood/

[Crimson Dynamo]

:skull:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGuA-_kWwAARaur?format=jpg&name=small

[Oliver_W]

[Palestinian Factions Set to Meet with Putin Regime
as Israel Rejects Palestinian Statehood]

Hamas meeting Putin
in the Kremlin.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/palestinian-factions-set-to-meet-with-putin-regime-as-israel-rejects-palestinian-statehood/

South Africa and Russia?

Hamas know how to pick their friends.

[Crimson Dynamo]

South Africa and Russia?

Hamas know how to pick their friends.

dont forget Labour

:shocked:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9e248039-3250-4626-9484-c2d9897a2f8d.png

[joeysteele]

I totally agree with Biden here.

Netanyahu is treating his allied Nations with contempt.
It's not a good look.

[Nicky91]

I totally agree with Biden here.

Netanyahu is treating his allied Nations with contempt.
It's not a good look.

power hungry dictator Netanyahu exposing himself more and more with his true agenda, in wanting Gaza territory for themselves

[Nicky91]

i'm not against jewish people, i'm not against israeli people in general


i am against the vile IDF and Netanyahu, that's something completely different


and if you commit war crimes, you need to be sanctioned accordingly, so now behave and don't cause genocide on Rafah pls

[Livia]

i'm not against jewish people, i'm not against israeli people in general


i am against the vile IDF and Netanyahu, that's something completely different


and if you commit war crimes, you need to be sanctioned accordingly, so now behave and don't cause genocide on Rafah pls

Says the person who hero-worships Putin.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/20/12/81484719-0-image-a-20_1708433656403.jpg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-05562c60-aec3-413b-8f3c-5315f001b3ce.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9e3ec511-9797-48f0-9a23-fc8b41fa78a3.jpeg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16827/production/_132699129_i.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B8C3/production/_132699274_dailymail.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1C83/production/_132699270_telegraph.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/106E3/production/_132699276_thetimes.jpg.webp

[bots]

William needs to stop interfering in other countries affairs

[arista]

William needs to stop interfering in other countries affairs


Yes some say David Cameron is behind this

[arista]

Today the Speaker of the House of Commons
has to pick the SNP motion or the
new Humanitarian Ceasefire Labour motion
for a vote on the Ceasefire.
Or the Conservatives.


Ref :Live Debate LBC

[user104658]

Can't believe William is saying such anti-semitic things :worry:

[arista]

Can't believe William is saying such anti-semitic things :worry:

What wording troubles you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://images.prismic.io/sketchplanations/42f5c453-6ad5-4e66-a19d-e95ec3e00200_SP+703+-+The+bandwagon+effect.png?auto=compress,format

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1760389157883375825?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[arista]

Sure Liam
but they want Hamas removed
before they leave

[Nicky91]

Sure Liam
but they want Hamas removed
before they leave

would've been better if Benny Boy had asked USA for help, in the cleanest precision approach at neutralizing Hamas terrorists, not committing genocide on many thousands of innocent palestinians


and well

October 7th since they like to bring that up


couple hundred of israeli's lost their lives back then




how many did Israel murder in Gaza


over 9.000 palestinians




so Benny ****** up big time, the power hungry stockholm syndrome suffering idiot that he is

[Nicky91]

also luring them to Rafah, and then wanting to attack and destroy Rafah


basically sending many more palestinians on a ''death march''



it is sad hundreds of israeli's lost their lives on October 7th but Israel did much much worse next


instead of just blaming Hamas, and wanting a clean attack against Hamas, just attack without thinking it through with outsiders help (and yes that is allowed in a fight against terrorism, since that ain't war, but just getting rid of a threat to us all, what israel did against gaza, that is war and more precise a bloodbath)

[joeysteele]

I do have to say listening to David Cameron today and since he was appointed Foreign Secretary.
In comparison to the last 3 Con Leaders.
How much more Prime Ministerial and more like the Statesman Cameron comes across as.

I didn't mind Cameron when PM although I disagreed in the end with all he inflicted on the poorest, most vulnerable and sick and disabled.

However on the international stage, he's far more like how a PM should be than Sunak and his 2 predecessors.

I think Cameron is really trying to do a good job so far.

[Nicky91]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict

timeline of the Gaza-Israel conflict


so if we want more evidence who started it, Israel


1948-1949

200,000 Arabs fled or were expelled by Israel into Gaza


---
Israel detained approximately 10,000 Gazans without trial between 1967-1970



between 1987-1993

42% of Gaza's children reported being assaulted by the IDF

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict

timeline of the Gaza-Israel conflict


so if we want more evidence who started it, Israel


1948-1949


---
Israel detained approximately 10,000 Gazans without trial between 1967-1970



between 1987-1993

.

do you actually understand that Wikipedia is not at all accurate?

[Zizu]

do you actually understand that Wikipedia is not at all accurate?


To be fair it’s pretty damm good for many things .. music , musicians etc


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Crimson Dynamo]

To be fair it’s pretty damm good for many things .. music , musicians etc


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

and is hopeless for tribal politics

[Oliver_W]

Depends on the quality of the sourcing, tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

from Wikipedia:

"Because Wikipedia cannot be considered a reliable source, the use of Wikipedia is not accepted in many schools and universities in writing a formal paper, and some educational institutions have banned it as a primary source while others have limited its use to only a pointer to external sources."

:skull:

[DemRed]

To be fair it’s pretty damm good for many things .. music , musicians etc


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

We are friends with Thomas Dolby, an English singer now better known in America.
He didn't write any time lines for Wiki, and whoever did, got so many things wrong, including his place of birth and his age. Dolby contacted Wiki to try and correct things. They refused and when he insisted and proved his credentials they put a ban on him. For this reason alone I don't take a lot of notice of wiki.
As for the time line on Israel, it appears to be correct, though there's a thousand other sources out there that will clarify that.

[Nicky91]

from Wikipedia:

"Because Wikipedia cannot be considered a reliable source, the use of Wikipedia is not accepted in many schools and universities in writing a formal paper, and some educational institutions have banned it as a primary source while others have limited its use to only a pointer to external sources."

:skull:

i know everything better about wikipedia than you though :idc:


they have strict guidelines that everything needs to be properly sourced by valid and legit websites (not troll sites) and everything needs to be neutral of the content they edit, create

[Livia]

from Wikipedia:

"Because Wikipedia cannot be considered a reliable source, the use of Wikipedia is not accepted in many schools and universities in writing a formal paper, and some educational institutions have banned it as a primary source while others have limited its use to only a pointer to external sources."

:skull:

Yes... Wiki is notoriously unreliable. It's not like it's a secret...

[arista]

Yes... Wiki is notoriously unreliable. It's not like it's a secret...

Anyone logged in
can Edit it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i know everything better about wikipedia than you though :idc:


they have strict guidelines that everything needs to be properly sourced by valid and legit websites (not troll sites) and everything needs to be neutral of the content they edit, create

You literally have no idea what you are talking about

[Nicky91]

Yes... Wiki is notoriously unreliable. It's not like it's a secret...

Anyone logged in
can Edit it.

it still gets checked by moderators though, if its unproperly sourced then the edit will be reverted back

You literally have no idea what you are talking about

yes i do, i have a account on there (i mainly use it for the sandbox to play around there to create some fantasy DWTS/Strictly games, my own eurovision fangame)


but i stick to the rules whenever i feel like i should help out where i can to edit, as long as i source it properly

[Livia]

I've read some of the stuff you've written. I doubt you would know a good source of it slapped you in the face.

[Nicky91]

I've read some of the stuff you've written. I doubt you would know a good source of it slapped you in the face.

you used to like me, you know :shrug:


i really am not against jewish people so i'm not your enemy, i also hate the rise of antisemitism in europe currently, i blame Netanyahu for that, he makes Israel look evil

[Livia]

you used to like me, you know :shrug:


i really am not against jewish people so i'm not your enemy, i also hate the rise of antisemitism in europe currently, i blame Netanyahu for that, he makes Israel look evil

You think Hamas are freedom fighters. In fact, you've said too many things now for us to be friends. You've shown me who you are.

[bots]

I often wonder what people actually think war is and why some level of sportsmanship should be involved in it

[DemRed]

Anyone logged in
can Edit it. That's no true. Anyone can set up a wiki page about a person but nobody can edit that page. Well, they can try but it will just be put back to its original.

[DemRed]

I've read some of the stuff you've written. I doubt you would know a good source of it slapped you in the face.

Same goes for you :hee::hee::hee:

[DemRed]

People really should look up and understand the Yinon Plan. It really is very colonial

[Nicky91]

You think Hamas are freedom fighters. In fact, you've said too many things now for us to be friends. You've shown me who you are.

i am wrong about Hamas, they are terrorists, same amount as ISIL, Al Qaeda


i tried being impartial honestly because this conflict isn't my concern, me as an outsider


Hamas needs to be wiped out entirely, but then the correct way, i feel sad for Netanyahu he made the wrong choices which makes him currently the most hated man in Israel, so yeah once Hamas is gone, Netanyahu is gone too

[DemRed]

i am wrong about Hamas, they are terrorists, same amount as ISIL, Al Qaeda


i tried being impartial honestly because this conflict isn't my concern, me as an outsider


Hamas needs to be wiped out entirely, but then the correct way, i feel sad for Netanyahu he made the wrong choices which makes him currently the most hated man in Israel, so yeah once Hamas is gone, Netanyahu is gone too

Hamas Was Started by Israel. The links of Hamas to Mossad and US intelligence have been acknowledged in Washington. Israel wanted rid of Yasser Arafat

[bots]

Hamas Was Started by Israel. The links of Hamas to Mossad and US intelligence have been acknowledged in Washington. Israel wanted rid of Yasser Arafat

Muhammad started Islam long before then, so he is ultimately responsible by that reasoning

[DemRed]

Muhammad started Islam long before then, so he is ultimately responsible by that reasoning

Are you saying all Muslims should be wiped out?

[Livia]

God, there's some uninformed garbage on this thread.

[DemRed]

I agree about some uniformed garbage on this thread. There's also some heartless garbage.
This is why I mentioned the essential tenets of the Yinon Plan are being implemented.... Its called balkanization.

[DemRed]

"The biggest insult to the memory of the holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people."

- Norman Finkelstein

[Oliver_W]

using it as an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people

Who has done that?

[Nicky91]

God, there's some uninformed garbage on this thread.

+100

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d7a0cef2-83df-4e27-bf7f-e01c720f1290.png

[arista]

Loads were Rushing to Lorries with Food
but they would not wait, so they broke into the lorries,
all rush in, far too many at once.


Machine Guns Fired at them
from the IDF
over 100 were killed.

Some people then ran
and were then crushed to death.


On all news.

[joeysteele]

Heartbreaking scenes.
Absolutely horrific.

[Livia]

Loads were Rushing to Lorries with Food
but they would not wait, so they broke into the lorries,
all rush in, far too many at once.


Machine Guns Fired at them
from the IDF
over 100 were killed.

Some people then ran
and were then crushed to death.


On all news.

According to a Hamas press statement.

[Nicky91]

According to a Hamas press statement.

yes so likely that it is fake news and in reality one of their bases got attacked but they twist and turn the story again to make Israel look like the bad guys again :(

[arista]

According to a Hamas press statement.


No this was IDF Footage
from a Drone above the slaughter.


The Lorries had flour in big bags



One Lorry drove off hitting people



The USA has asked the IDF to explain it.

[Livia]

No this was IDF Footage
from a Drone above the slaughter.


The Lorries had flour in big bags



One Lorry drove off hitting people



The USA has asked the IDF to explain it.

IDF rejects claims it fired. Says so on the front page you posted. Hamas claims the IDF fired on them.

[Beso]

It was probably hamas operatives that surrounded the lorries, they are renowned for stealing the aid from aid convoys meant for the people they say they stand for.


Pretty clever tactic from israel tbh.

[arista]

IDF rejects claims it fired. Says so on the front page you posted. Hamas claims the IDF fired on them.


Yes IDF reject it.

But the footage from the Drone was on all the news

[arista]

USA now Air Dropping food Aid
into Gazza.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d7a0cef2-83df-4e27-bf7f-e01c720f1290.png

front-page news?

no wonder that MSM extreme left rag is failing and begging readers for money to survive

:umm2:

[arista]

A sad report on SkyNewsHD
a mother and children in Gazza
can not afford the fee of $133,000 or higher
to cross over to Eygpt as her husband is working there.

It's a legit Crossing if you have the Cash.

[Livia]

A sad report on SkyNewsHD
a mother and children in Gazza
can not afford the fee of $133,000 or higher
to cross over to Eygpt as her husband is working there.

It's a legit Crossing if you have the Cash.

Who gets the cash?

[arista]

Who gets the cash?

Eygpt
as they make all the efforts to get the mother and
child safely across that blocked border.


Sadly her Husband can not raise that cash.

Sad report
SkyNewsHD

[DemRed]

I watched an interview with an Israeli General today and he says that the people rushed the convoys. The IDF got nervous and shots were fired. He said a full investigation would be carried out.

Of course they rushed the convoy. If you haven't seen the faces of starving men women and children, then I suggest you go and take a look.
I'm sick to death of people with zero humanity trying to excuse things like this and calling it fake news. I find it hard to comprehend we have some people with such cold hearts.

On a good note, I'm a Celtic supporter and this warmed my heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObOW3DnN3T4

[Crimson Dynamo]

"The biggest insult to the memory of the holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people."

- Norman Finkelstein

I watched an interview with an Israeli General today and he says that the people rushed the convoys. The IDF got nervous and shots were fired. He said a full investigation would be carried out.

Of course they rushed the convoy. If you haven't seen the faces of starving men women and children, then I suggest you go and take a look.
I'm sick to death of people with zero humanity trying to excuse things like this and calling it fake news. I find it hard to comprehend we have some people with such cold hearts.

On a good note, I'm a Celtic supporter and this warmed my heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObOW3DnN3T4

Pity they never made such a noise about their widespread paedophille cover up.....

That affected Scottish children

[Livia]

......

I'm sick to death of people with zero humanity trying to excuse things like this and calling it fake news. I find it hard to comprehend we have some people with such cold hearts.



I'm sick to death of people who consider themselves in a position to judge other people's humanity and cold-heartedness.

[bots]

a starving horde is going to do just about anything to get their hands on food if they can. I wouldn't be so quick to judge either side

[arista]

a starving horde is going to do just about anything to get their hands on food if they can. I wouldn't be so quick to judge either side


Yes they all rushed to the lorries
some Flour bags then sadly spit open
as the frenzy continued,


Ch4HDnews showed a tragic clip
just before the shooting started

[Crimson Dynamo]

so "desperate" for food they throw it in the trash as its from USA

:skull:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1764805073031331896?s=20

[Livia]

so "desperate" for food they throw it in the trash as its from USA

:skull:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1764805073031331896?s=20

What Hamas doesn't tell us.

[user104658]

so "desperate" for food they throw it in the trash as its from USA

:skull:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1764805073031331896?s=20

Do you honestly believe that to be a Gazan civilian, dummydumdum?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BBC used an anti-Israel journalist bankrolled by Iran as a key source in its reporting
on the Gaza conflict, it has emerged. In a report over the weekend, the BBC analysed
video and eyewitness accounts of a rush on an aid convoy in Gaza that led to the deaths of
more than 100 Palestinians.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/04/bbc-journalist-working-iran-backed-news-palestine-article/#:~:text=The%20BBC%20used%20an%20anti,of%20more%20 than%20100%20Palestinians.

[arista]

The BBC used an anti-Israel journalist bankrolled by Iran as a key source in its reporting
on the Gaza conflict, it has emerged. In a report over the weekend, the BBC analysed
video and eyewitness accounts of a rush on an aid convoy in Gaza that led to the deaths of
more than 100 Palestinians.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/04/bbc-journalist-working-iran-backed-news-palestine-article/#:~:text=The%20BBC%20used%20an%20anti,of%20more%20 than%20100%20Palestinians.

Yes those BBC Reporters Stink,

[Oliver_W]

so "desperate" for food they throw it in the trash as its from USA

:skull:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1764805073031331896?s=20

Do you honestly believe that to be a Gazan civilian, dummydumdum?

I tried to find the original-original source but couldn't; the repost and rerepost seemed to have more people saying "the food was mouldy" rather than questioning its verisimilitude.

[user104658]

I tried to find the original-original source but couldn't; the repost and rerepost seemed to have more people saying "the food was mouldy" rather than questioning its verisimilitude.

Unfortunately, propaganda rarely comes with a "this is propaganda" sticker on the front. And if it did, LT would be desperately picking it off before reaching the checkout. You have to open it up, take a whiff, and say "Oh FFS this reeks of propaganda why are you always serving up this propaganda please stop it."

[arista]

Biden is going to build a Temp Port
to be built by USA Army
in Gaza's Coast.

They will need High Fencing.

But no USA Troops will stay at that port
meaning no USA troops as part of this war.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Also featured on the front is a striking image
of bundles of supplies being dropped into Gaza,
as the US plans an "emergency mission"
to set up a port on the coast to help supply people
living there with humanitarian aid.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/35BC/production/_132865731_cutft0803.png-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1201C/production/_132865737_cropguardian0803.png-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16E3C/production/_132865739_croptimes0803.png-nc.png.webp

[DemRed]

Pity they never made such a noise about their widespread paedophille cover up.....

That affected Scottish children

what the fcuk has that got to do with this? Is this why you and your few croneys believe this invasion was deserved by Palestine?

Its time people here started listening to real Jews and stopped spouting propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZQkqgLqAY

[Livia]

Real Jews... lol. You're here to tell us all what a real Jew is.

[bots]

To be fair Livia, unless you've driven up to Scotland recently, I'd be willing to bet that LT has never met an actual Jewish person in his puff. He most likely doesn't leave his white Church of Scotland sectarian protestant semi-rural stronghold unless he absolutely has to, and even then it's straight over the hills then down the motorway to Ibrox.

what planet are you on SB. Jewish people are totally integrated into Scottish society and you know it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel killed Hamas’s ‘number four’ and the top three are dead men, Netanyahu vows

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/03/11/TELEMMGLPICT000369636929_17101655159750_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqjJeHvIwLm2xPr27m7LF8mUYMapKPjdhyLnv9ax6_to o.jpeg?imwidth=500

Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to kill all of Hamas’s top leaders as he says
Israel has eliminated the group’s “number four”.

In a video statement, the Israeli prime minister said: “We are on the way to
total victory. On the way to this victory, we already eliminated number four in
Hamas. Three, two, and one are on the way.”

Number four is understood to refer to Hamas’s deputy political leader, Saleh
al-Arouri.

“They are all dead men, we will reach them all,” Mr Netanyahu added.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/11/israel-hamas-war-gaza-latest-news/

[Oliver_W]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/03/11/TELEMMGLPICT000369636929_17101655159750_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqjJeHvIwLm2xPr27m7LF8mUYMapKPjdhyLnv9ax6_to o.jpeg?imwidth=500



Gawd, you just know some psychos are going to zoom right in on that hand gesture and theorise he's a white supremacist :joker:

[Nicky91]

Israel killed Hamas’s ‘number four’ and the top three are dead men, Netanyahu vows

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/03/11/TELEMMGLPICT000369636929_17101655159750_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqjJeHvIwLm2xPr27m7LF8mUYMapKPjdhyLnv9ax6_to o.jpeg?imwidth=500

Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to kill all of Hamas’s top leaders as he says
Israel has eliminated the group’s “number four”.

In a video statement, the Israeli prime minister said: “We are on the way to
total victory. On the way to this victory, we already eliminated number four in
Hamas. Three, two, and one are on the way.”

Number four is understood to refer to Hamas’s deputy political leader, Saleh
al-Arouri.

“They are all dead men, we will reach them all,” Mr Netanyahu added.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/11/israel-hamas-war-gaza-latest-news/

:clap1: :clap1: one step closer to destroying the palestinian evil

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gawd, you just know some psychos are going to zoom right in on that hand gesture and theorise he's a white supremacist :joker:

If you look closely its actually the hand of Kate Middleton

:omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is the extent of these people...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIabtJoWUAAm7f9?format=jpg&name=small

[Oliver_W]

this is the extent of these people...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIabtJoWUAAm7f9?format=jpg&name=small

"I know it's horrible, BUT ..."

[user104658]

this is the extent of these people...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIabtJoWUAAm7f9?format=jpg&name=small

I'm going to print out a leaflet that says "LeatherTrumpet off TiBB gobbles dog ****" right now, crumple it up a bit, then pretend I found it on the street. At that moment it will become VERIFIED FACT. Hope you're hungry.

[Livia]

If you look closely its actually the hand of Kate Middleton

:omgno:

LOL...

[Livia]

what planet are you on SB. Jewish people are totally integrated into Scottish society and you know it

I have no idea why he still refers to me. He told me quite plainly that he believes I've been on this forum for 14 years lying about who and what I am. He spends an inordinate amount of time focusing on other forum members instead of the topic, how he gets away with it is beyond me. I have no time for him or any of the nonsense he spouts, I only see his crap if someone posts it.

[user104658]

I have no idea why he still refers to me. He told me quite plainly that he believes I've been on this forum for 14 years lying about who and what I am. He spends an inordinate amount of time focusing on other forum members instead of the topic, how he gets away with it is beyond me. I have no time for him or any of the nonsense he spouts, I only see his crap if someone posts it.

You have no time for me because I 90% of the time completely disagree with what you have to say, and people who are not here for debate don't like to hear opposing viewpoints. In my opinion.

The bit in bold is patently untrue, however I "get away with things" for I assume the exact same reason that everyone on TiBB gets away with things that they wouldn't have 5 years ago. Such as at this point just open racism, homophobia, gaslighting, aggression and baiting that leads to precisely zilch.

[user104658]

Oh and I refer to you still because perhaps for the 1000th time... I'm not going to stop responding to you just because you don't like my responses, and I don't care that you (supposedly) don't see them. As I've said to multiple members, on multiple occasions... you do you. I will continue to post and respond as I always have. You don't get to whine and play victim to avoid responses on a debate forum.

[Livia]

I guess both those responses are for me. The second one is probably something you forgot in your first post, you're so predictable. The best thing I ever did was out you and your nonsense on ignore.

[user104658]

The second one is probably something you forgot in your first post

Gosh with powers of deduction this impressive it's easy to see why you decided to become a lawyer! :joker: Mystic Meg has returned!

[OnTheRight]

this is the extent of these people...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIabtJoWUAAm7f9?format=jpg&name=small

What lovely people.

[arista]

['I was their trophy': Man, 19, held hostage
in Gaza after being captured at
Nova music festival tells of harrowing
ordeal at hands of Hamas terrorists - including
operation by 'scared' doctor performed
without anaesthetic

Itay Regev, 19, was kidnapped by Hamas alongside
his sister Maya Regev, 21]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13193961/trophy-British-man-19-held-hostage-Gaza-captured-Nova-music-festival-tells-ordeal-hands-Hamas-terrorists-operation-scared-doctor-without-anaesthetic.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/03/13/22/82438953-0-image-m-6_1710367960149.jpg

[arista]

Daily Mail:
[Roughly 130 hostages are still believed to be in Gaza
after Hamas's October 7 attack.

While a minority of voters in Israel believe
the IDF is using too much force in Gaza,
the stories of dire conditions shared by
Israeli hostages returning from captivity
in the November ceasefire has given
force to the movement.
Some returning said Israel's siege had
made conditions worse for hostages,
suggesting food and water supplies were
slashed by a siege of Gaza City
in the first few days of the conflict.]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/03/13/21/78274845-13193961-Maya_an_attendee_at_the_Nova_music_festival_was_sh ot_and_subsequ-a-51_1710363903920.jpg
[An image grab from a handout video
released by the Hamas Media Office shows
a Hamas fighter and a Red Cross medic
accompanying Maya Regev, 21
as she was
released in November]

BBC link on this story
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68557915

[arista]

The Ship from Cyprus
has now arrived on the Gaza coast.

It will give around 10 truckloads
it has been reported


Ref: CNN HD USA on UK TV/SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD