Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is scary about the BBC is that people who are not engaged (lots) really think the BBC is serving them up unbiased news

[Livia]

What is scary about the BBC is that people who are not engaged (lots) really think the BBC is serving them up unbiased news

I hear people say this all the time. I hear foreigners say it. It's worrying.

[user104658]

What is scary about the BBC is that people who are not engaged (lots) really think the BBC is serving them up unbiased news

That's true of every TV news source and most written news sources since "news" was conceived as gossip round the campfire. And the same is true of every single one of your SoMed "alternative news sources". There is no such thing as being served unbiased news, all you can hope to do is see all of the sources and use some critical thinking.

That's the part that's sadly lacking.

[Beso]

Taken alive, returned in 3 coffins. 2 very small ones.


Still supposed to pity show for the cheering palastinians who celebrated the Bibas children being paraded through the streets on Oct 7th.

Not me, **** them.

[Maru]

I hear people say this all the time. I hear foreigners say it. It's worrying.

BBC used to be considered superior to our own news. We could catch it really early in the morning if we were "objective news" people. Then the fluff would come on at sunrise.

It's been my observation we've never had a great opinion of our own media. What we had in my youth was a decorative form of it bordering on propaganda (more focused on American patriotic's POV than not), but it did serve an important role in our public discourse.

[Maru]

Taken alive, returned in 3 coffins. 2 very small ones.


Still supposed to pity show for the cheering palastinians who celebrated the habibi children being paraded through the streets on Oct 7th.

Not me, **** them.

It's heartbreaking...

[Beso]

Fake bodies being returned in coffins..absolute demonic scum.

[arista]

[Body returned from Gaza is not Shiri Bibas, Israeli military says]


[Israel has accused Hamas of violating
the ceasefire deal after forensic testing
revealed the body returned from Gaza
on Thursday was not that of Shiri Bibas.

The three other bodies handed over have been
identified as her sons, Ariel and Kfir,
who would have been aged five and two,
and Oded Lifshitz,
the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said.

But the fourth body was not Shiri nor any
other hostage, with Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu alleging on Friday
that Hamas "put the body of a Gazan
woman in a coffin".
Hamas has not yet responded to this nor the IDF claim
that the boys "were brutally murdered
by terrorists in captivity in November 2023",
according to intelligence and forensics.

Hamas had previously said the children
and their mother were killed in an
Israeli bombing in November 2023.
Israel demanded the return of Shiri's body
along with the other remaining hostages.

"We will act with determination to bring
Shiri home along with all
our hostages - both living and dead - and ensure
that Hamas pays the full price
for this cruel and evil violation
of the agreement," Netanyahu said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjry3jzedl1o

[Oliver_W]

I think we're all forgetting how well-fed some of the hostages were, and one even smiled and waved at her captor!!1

[Crimson Dynamo]

🚨𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆:

Ariel and Kfir Bibas were executed by Hamas using their bare hands.

IDF Spokesman:

“Ariel and Kfir were murdered by terrorists in cold blood.

The terrorists did not shoot the 2 young boys.

They killed them with their bare hands.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1892950336878329890

[Cherie]

������������������:

Ariel and Kfir Bibas were executed by Hamas using their bare hands.

IDF Spokesman:

“Ariel and Kfir were murdered by terrorists in cold blood.

The terrorists did not shoot the 2 young boys.

They killed them with their bare hands.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1892950336878329890

I hope this is not true, I thought they were killed by an Israeli strike according to Hamas

It wouldn't surprise me if Shiri was still alive

[user104658]

I hope this is not true, I thought they were killed by an Israeli strike according to Hamas

It wouldn't surprise me if Shiri was still alive

I imagine IDF will continue to say murdered with bare hands, Hamas will continue to say they were killed in an air strike, all we can really do is believe one or the other without some sort of independent verification. Either or both could be false.

[bots]

what we do kmow is that hamas tried to substitute some unknown person for the real mother, so they are not being genuine. Either the mother is still alive or her death was obviously not from an air strike otherwise they would just have delivered the body

[Beso]

I dont know why the rest of the world dont punish both sides.

[Livia]

I dont know why the rest of the world dont punish both sides.

How?

[Livia]

Still haven't seen TV coverage of Hamas parading two tiny coffins and a third thayt was supposed to have contained their mother, while music played and Palestinians cheered. No news network will risk showing it. I'm sure those children were fed and nurtured and were accidentally killed by an Israeli missile. Because that's what Hamas have said, right?

[Beso]

How?

I reckon Israel has had payback for oct 7th now. I'm not seeing many Israelis suffering in the news for ages. Of it kicks off again, then in my eyes it's only fair the world punishes both sides.

[Crimson Dynamo]

we all know celtic are a truly disgusting club

id like to tell you about another

Galatasaray in Turkey

vile

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article34720182.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_GkQWUzTXsAADPjWjpeg.jpg

[Livia]

I reckon Israel has had payback for oct 7th now. I'm not seeing many Israelis suffering in the news for ages. Of it kicks off again, then in my eyes it's only fair the world punishes both sides.

My question was, how?

[arista]

6 hostages held by Hamas have been freed
to Isreal.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gm4r5z4p9t

[Beso]

My question was, how?

Sanctions..

[Livia]

Sanctions..

Good job you're not in charge, Parmy.

[Ninastar]

The fact that there aren’t riots or marches or protests over the fact that two babies and a wrong body being returned to families says a lot to me

People have such ****ed up priorities these days

The mom probably had to watch them kill her babies. ****ing barbaric. Now we don’t even know if she truly is dead? Absolutely disgusting

[bots]

I reckon Israel has had payback for oct 7th now. I'm not seeing many Israelis suffering in the news for ages. Of it kicks off again, then in my eyes it's only fair the world punishes both sides.

so the fact that hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation doesn't change how they should be dealt with? They have equal rights to israel?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BBC has been exposed for removing references to “Jews” and “Jihad” from
its Gaza documentary, altering the translation and video.

This is not journalism, it’s pure propaganda.

video comparison is here: ttps://x.com/EYakoby/status/1894492013115883556

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah, a real statement to the Jewish community

@Keir_Starmer
and
MAYorofLondon


Thank you to all that have stood by Israel and the Jewish community. You’ve
been amazing during these dark times 🧡

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gky_twfXAAA8po-?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/koshercockney/status/1895100342255145267

[arista]

Israel has Cut the Power to Gaza,
in order to get Hamas to release all
the Hostages,


Sadly, the Water Plant needs Electricity
to clean the water.
They have a Generator
but that can only clean a small amount
of water with that.

A Childrens Charity
Lady spoke of how children will die.


Ref: All Media

[Livia]

Yeah, a real statement to the Jewish community

@Keir_Starmer
and
MAYorofLondon


Thank you to all that have stood by Israel and the Jewish community. You’ve
been amazing during these dark times 🧡

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gky_twfXAAA8po-?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/koshercockney/status/1895100342255145267


London was never going to show support for anyone but Muslims.

[arista]

Over 400 were killed overnight.

The ceasefire on hold?

[Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's
office says Israel will "act against Hamas
with increasing military strength",
accusing Hamas of "repeated refusal to
release our hostages",
and of rejecting proposals
to extend the ceasefire

Hamas accuses Israel of attacking
"defenceless civilians", and says mediators
should hold Israel "fully responsible"
for "violating and overturning" the ceasefire]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

[Crimson Dynamo]

Over 400 were killed overnight.

The ceasefire on hold?

[Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's
office says Israel will "act against Hamas
with increasing military strength",
accusing Hamas of "repeated refusal to
release our hostages",
and of rejecting proposals
to extend the ceasefire

Hamas accuses Israel of attacking
"defenceless civilians", and says mediators
should hold Israel "fully responsible"
for "violating and overturning" the ceasefire]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czje23jd779t

"as Hamas-run ministry says"

[arista]

"as Hamas-run ministry says"


Sadly True
as no reporters are there

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/d2c6/live/9005a600-0441-11f0-97d3-37df2b293ed1.jpg.webp

[bots]

they should have released all the hostages on day 1 of the cease fire

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/d2c6/live/9005a600-0441-11f0-97d3-37df2b293ed1.jpg.webp

lovely watch

[arista]

lovely watch

Over Priced

[arista]

Israel Lied about the Ambulances
they killed from their planes
They claimed they never had Flashing Lights.

They dug up the dead
found a mobile phone that showed the Flashing Lights

[Livia]

Israel Lied about the Ambulances
they killed from their planes
They claimed they never had Flashing Lights.

They dug up the dead
found a mobile phone that showed the Flashing Lights

The dead man was described on Sky News as having been martyred.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel Lied about the Ambulances
they killed from their planes
They claimed they never had Flashing Lights.

They dug up the dead
found a mobile phone that showed the Flashing Lights

according to the BBC Hamas reporting Organisation?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dutch undercover police breaks up a pro-Hamas student encampment. Well done lads that how to stop these mind virus punks

https://x.com/NiohBerg/status/1911924758003978380

[user104658]

Dutch undercover police breaks up a pro-Hamas student encampment. Well done lads that how to stop these mind virus punks

https://x.com/NiohBerg/status/1911924758003978380

According to the billionaire private citizen owned SoMed brain rot reporting organisation?

[Crimson Dynamo]

According to the billionaire private citizen owned SoMed brain rot reporting organisation?

TDS
EDS

[user104658]

TDS
EDS

Just two of the fun made-up "conditions" you can read about on X, along with a further bewildering selection of indocrinations-for-the-undereducated :joker:.

Made up social media nonsense. Brain rot. You need to get your face out of the propaganda trough LT you're a tier 1 candidate :umm2:.

[arista]

Israeli Prime Minister

Speaking now
saying Hamas will keep attacking Israel.


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/b9cc/live/09a1f0d0-1d5c-11f0-b1b3-7358f8d35a35.jpg.webp

[arista]

Gaza
Food Supply not getting in....................


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6e9a3488-8ea1-4fd1-8891-7da786457c49.png

[Livia]

I bet 7th October 2023 and all the dancing and celebrating in the streets that the Gazans did while they whipped a naked Israeli woman through the streets before beating her to death, before murdering all those families, children, young people, before taking people hostage including young babies and their mother.... all seems quite a long time ago now.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e774ba42-6717-4782-9a93-693ea151a8cf.png

[arista]

Hamas to release a Hostage who has
a USA passport. Today.


Edan Alexander (works for the Israeli Army)


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
9 food trucks went into Gaza.

Sadly, that is not enough
reports say.

Children are sadly dying.
A British Doctor there
confirmed.

Because America has said
it is wrong to starve
Children.
Hence a few trucks going in.

[Livia]

Return the rest of the hostages. If people really want a ceasefire why aren't they calling for that?

[user104658]

Return the rest of the hostages. If people really want a ceasefire why aren't they calling for that?

Doubt there are any hostages still alive given that Gaza has been flattened into a dustbowl at this point.

[user104658]

"Hello, 'scuse me, where are the hostages?"

https://i.imgur.com/akDva3N.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ov0hKtQ.png

[Beso]

Ch4HDnews
9 food trucks went into Gaza.

Sadly, that is not enough
reports say.

Children are sadly dying.
A British Doctor there
confirmed.

Because America has said
it is wrong to starve
Children.
Hence a few trucks going in.



They can get foreign doctors in, but can't get aid I without Hamas robbing it for their fighters. That is why the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was formed, 7 weeks ago,its almost ready to go and is designed to stop Hamas stealing the aid designed for the Palestinian people.

Great big border with Egypt as well for aid to get through, and also a vast sea, for ships to land, laden with aid..

[Livia]

"Hello, 'scuse me, where are the hostages?"

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/327B8A63-12CB-4DB9-95DB0EF9EC4281FB_source.jpg

There's nothing funny here. Making jokes is a bit twisted. But hardly unexpected.

[user104658]

There's nothing funny here. Making jokes is a bit twisted. But hardly unexpected.

That you think I think it's funny says a lot more about you than it does about me Livia. I think it's ****ing horrendous.

[Livia]

That you think I think it's funny says a lot more about you than it does about me Livia. I think it's ****ing horrendous.

Yet you try to make a joke. 'scuse me, where are the hostages? You're ****ing hilarious.

[user104658]

Yet you try to make a joke. 'scuse me, where are the hostages? You're ****ing hilarious.

I'm not "making a joke" I'm pointing out how ludicrous-to-the-point-of-absurd it is for you to ask "why the hostages haven't been returned to Israel" when in all likelihood those hostages have been vaporized by Israeli airstrikes. I thought saying it so bluntly might be a bit much. But there you go, hope that helps. No jokes here: they've not returned Israel's hostages because Israel's relentless campaign of destruction has most likely killed them. You're right it's not very funny is it.

[Beso]

I'm not "making a joke" I'm pointing out how ludicrous-to-the-point-of-absurd it is for you to ask "why the hostages haven't been returned to Israel" when in all likelihood those hostages have been vaporized by Israeli airstrikes. I thought saying it so bluntly might be a bit much. But there you go, hope that helps. No jokes here: they've not returned Israel's hostages because Israel's relentless campaign of destruction has most likely killed them. You're right it's not very funny is it.




Not dead at the hands of a hamas gun, or knife, no, it must be Israel that killed them, it's always Israel...heck, it was probably Israel who kidnapped them in the first place, yeah? Surely.


58 hostages remain, with an estimated 20 still alive....where are the 20???

[Livia]

I'm not "making a joke" I'm pointing out how ludicrous-to-the-point-of-absurd it is for you to ask "why the hostages haven't been returned to Israel" when in all likelihood those hostages have been vaporized by Israeli airstrikes. I thought saying it so bluntly might be a bit much. But there you go, hope that helps. No jokes here: they've not returned Israel's hostages because Israel's relentless campaign of destruction has most likely killed them. You're right it's not very funny is it.

Yes, it's Israel's fault. Not Hamas's fault for kidnapping them in the first place. They freed a live hostage last week. Maybe you missed it. Had they released the hostages last year there would be a ceasefire now. But they didn't. Did they.

[bots]

By international law its up to the captor to keep prisoners of war safe from harm, but we won't mention that because it doesn't fit the narrative

[user104658]

Yes, it's Israel's fault. Not Hamas's fault for kidnapping them in the first place. They freed a live hostage last week. Maybe you missed it. Had they released the hostages last year there would be a ceasefire now. But they didn't. Did they.

Who said anything about blame? You asked the question "Why aren't they returning the rest of the hostages" and the uncomfortable answer is that most if not all that were still alive (because yes I'm sure some died at the hands of their captors) have probably been killed in the bombing strikes.

It's been insisted endlessly that Palestinian civilian deaths are justified because Hamas have been using them as human shields. Well... if one human shield is acceptable collateral, then so is another. Those hostages were in the way of necessary airstrikes against Hamas so they got blown up. That's how it works, no?

[user104658]

By international law its up to the captor to keep prisoners of war safe from harm, but we won't mention that because it doesn't fit the narrative

When the cities they're in are being bulldozed to the ground? Absolute nonsense Bots.

[Livia]

Who said anything about blame? You asked the question "Why aren't they returning the rest of the hostages" and the uncomfortable answer is that most if not all that were still alive (because yes I'm sure some died at the hands of their captors) have probably been killed in the bombing strikes.

It's been insisted endlessly that Palestinian civilian deaths are justified because Hamas have been using them as human shields. Well... if one human shield is acceptable collateral, then so is another. Those hostages were in the way of necessary airstrikes against Hamas so they got blown up. That's how it works, no?

Good to know you still have all the answers.

[user104658]

Good to know you still have all the answers.

And good to know that your stock go-to retort remains the same when you have nothing else to say and no actual counterpoint.

[Livia]

And good to know that your stock go-to retort remains the same when you have nothing else to say and no actual counterpoint.

What's the point of a discussion? Your mind is made up.

[bots]

It's very interesting that international law only applies to israel. Of the current conflicts, they are the only ones subject to international law

[user104658]

It's very interesting that international law only applies to israel. Of the current conflicts, they are the only ones subject to international law

Bit of a catch-22 for Israel though because if they want Hamas/Palestine to be held to the international laws governing the conduct of states, they'd first have to recognise Palestine as a state. I don't see that happening any time soon.

[arista]

The reporter in Gaza stated
they need 600 Foor Trucks a day

Not Nine

[Livia]

Bit of a catch-22 for Israel though because if they want Hamas/Palestine to be held to the international laws governing the conduct of states, they'd first have to recognise Palestine as a state. I don't see that happening any time soon.

That's not true.

Hamas committed war crimes in 7th October and continues to do so. But we only hear about war crime claims against Israel. Hamas's guilt us not dependant on what Israel thinks or does. Hamas's guilt does not depend on whether they are recognised by Israel as an independent state.

[thesheriff443]

I rarely post in this thread
Both sides are willing to kill and let be killed women and children so in My eyes they are both as bad as each other

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b3a581a5-2a1b-498d-95bd-2cb4af425eb9.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-caf0a301-df40-4a05-9065-f33acb454164.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/e743/live/9d3067b0-35c5-11f0-8947-7d6241f9fce9.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/80af/live/9bb213d0-35bf-11f0-96c3-cf669419a2b0.jpg.webp

[DemRed]

Perhaps those who have only followed MSM on Israel and Palestine, will now see what millions of us have witnessed on alternative media.
Now our government has withdrawn its support of Israel, the papers will be awash with all the things they've been asked to cover up.

[DemRed]

What is Israels game plan in Gaza? We are 18 months into this bloodshed, nothing has been achieved. The true path to peace doesn’t lie in war but in genuine dialogue and diplomacy.
When there was a ceasefire in Jan, 45 Israeli hostages were released. Then Israel resumed the war and there are no hostage release. The majority of hostages have been released through negotiations, not warfare, yet Israel continues to justify its brutality.
Israels game plan has been clear all along. To maintain control, silence opposition and avoid real conversations.

And this isn’t about the Israeli people. Thousands upon thousands of Jews in Israel have protested, spoken out and condemned the Israeli government. Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because of what they have witnessed. Reserves have refused to go into Gaza and released hostages have refused to meet Netanyahu because they feel betrayed. Netanyahu and his fascist far right regime have put Jewish lives in danger around the world.

[Beso]

What is Israels game plan in Gaza? We are 18 months into this bloodshed, nothing has been achieved. The true path to peace doesn’t lie in war but in genuine dialogue and diplomacy.
When there was a ceasefire in Jan, 45 Israeli hostages were released. Then Israel resumed the war and there are no hostage release. The majority of hostages have been released through negotiations, not warfare, yet Israel continues to justify its brutality.
Israels game plan has been clear all along. To maintain control, silence opposition and avoid real conversations.

And this isn’t about the Israeli people. Thousands upon thousands of Jews in Israel have protested, spoken out and condemned the Israeli government. Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because of what they have witnessed. Reserves have refused to go into Gaza and released hostages have refused to meet Netanyahu because they feel betrayed. Netanyahu and his fascist far right regime have put Jewish lives in danger around the world.




And Hamas, what are the aims of Hamas?

[DemRed]

And Hamas, what are the aims of Hamas?

Hamas have clearly stated they want a permanent ceasefire

Putting aside the 2 million innocent Palestinians, Hamas is living amongst them and Israel don't have much of a clue who they are. Facial recognition can't be picked out on Hamas fighters because they all wear face coverings, so all the Israeli army can rely on are internal spies and people grassing them in.
The problem (at least I have a problem) with this, is the IDF then use a method called "Daddy's home". Wait for the culprit to come home to his wife and children and then directly target their home, killing everyone inside.
In the long term this has proven not to work. There are more Hamas fighters now than prior to Oct 7th.
And its not just Hamas, the al-Quds Brigades who are as big as Hamas, the armed wing of the PIJ, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the Al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigade.
Experts on Iraq and Afghanistan have said this is an impossible war to win.

[Beso]

Lol.... at the top bit....what a load of rubbbish.


We want a ceasefire, after murdering babies with shovels and our bare hands...we want a ceasefire now...


Ridiculous.



If I were IDF, I would be looking for people with missing body parts, blown away by the walkie talkie.


Lol @ them wanting a ceasefire now though, that's almost funny.

[bots]

I still can't comprehend how people think "good sport" rules apply in war. The objective is to win. There is nothing nice about war. When your country's very existence is under threat, you protect it with any means necessary

[Livia]

Perhaps those who have only followed MSM on Israel and Palestine, will now see what millions of us have witnessed on alternative media.
Now our government has withdrawn its support of Israel, the papers will be awash with all the things they've been asked to cover up.

Every time you come here you intimate you're privy to information that the rest of us ignore. Or that your intelligence leads you to the shining grail of news that us lesser mortals just can't see. That everyone on here laps up tabloid news and ignores serious news. Perhaps you'd like to share with the group these noble outlets of yours so we can all have a look. I'm guessing it's somewhere that drinks in every Hamas press release it receives.

[user104658]

I still can't comprehend how people think "good sport" rules apply in war. The objective is to win. There is nothing nice about war. When your country's very existence is under threat, you protect it with any means necessary

Yes "good sport rules" such as not starving children do apply and are war crimes. The justification of "necessary genocide" is absolutely insane.

[Livia]

What is Israels game plan in Gaza? We are 18 months into this bloodshed, nothing has been achieved. The true path to peace doesn’t lie in war but in genuine dialogue and diplomacy.
When there was a ceasefire in Jan, 45 Israeli hostages were released. Then Israel resumed the war and there are no hostage release. The majority of hostages have been released through negotiations, not warfare, yet Israel continues to justify its brutality.
Israels game plan has been clear all along. To maintain control, silence opposition and avoid real conversations.

And this isn’t about the Israeli people. Thousands upon thousands of Jews in Israel have protested, spoken out and condemned the Israeli government. Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because of what they have witnessed. Reserves have refused to go into Gaza and released hostages have refused to meet Netanyahu because they feel betrayed. Netanyahu and his fascist far right regime have put Jewish lives in danger around the world.



So... nothing to do with the fact that fundamental Islam in general and Hamas in particular, want the Jews gone from the face of the earth. No, it's Israel's fault Jews are being attacked. What was the reason we were being attacked prior to 7th October? Still Israel's fault? How about before the mandate in 1948? Yeah, let me guess... Israel's fault.

[bots]

Yes "good sport rules" such as not starving children do apply and are war crimes. The justification of "necessary genocide" is absolutely insane.

a very naive response

[DemRed]

Every time you come here you intimate you're privy to information that the rest of us ignore. Or that your intelligence leads you to the shining grail of news that us lesser mortals just can't see. That everyone on here laps up tabloid news and ignores serious news. Perhaps you'd like to share with the group these noble outlets of yours so we can all have a look. I'm guessing it's somewhere that drinks in every Hamas press release it receives.

And every time I come here, you attempt to intimidate me! You do it with most of the people who disagree with you, but there we are... there's always one
Of course you choose to ignore me because you neither have or want the inconvenient information I have.
As for intelligence, I have to question yours. A lawyer indeed who spends most of her time scripting short, pointed and insulting posts on a Big Brother forum.
Your sarcy ways have always ensured the audience and contributors to a thread remain low.
And NO I wouldn't like to share anything with you.

[DemRed]

Lol.... at the top bit....what a load of rubbbish.


We want a ceasefire, after murdering babies with shovels and our bare hands...we want a ceasefire now...


Ridiculous.



If I were IDF, I would be looking for people with missing body parts, blown away by the walkie talkie.


Lol @ them wanting a ceasefire now though, that's almost funny.

Geez really?! one baby were killed on Oct 7th and that's been well documented

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

[Livia]

And every time I come here, you attempt to intimidate me! You do it with most of the people who disagree with you, but there we are... there's always one
Of course you choose to ignore me because you neither have or want the inconvenient information I have.
As for intelligence, I have to question yours. A lawyer indeed who spends most of her time scripting short, pointed and insulting posts on a Big Brother forum.
Your sarcy ways have always ensured the audience and contributors to a thread remain low.
And NO I wouldn't like to share anything with you.

If you feel intimidated by a stranger on a forum who you're never going to run into I'd say the problem is yours. You spend the whole post insulting me and then claim I'm the one being insulting. You're not going to share anything with me. Course not. You might have to back up some of your claims.

[Livia]

Geez really?! one baby were killed on Oct 7th and that's been well documented

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

Uninformed.

[user104658]

a very naive response

I'll take "naive" over lazy pub anti-intellectualism any day of the week bots. International law exists for a reason, or at least it used to, the fact that you apparently find it "naive" and believe that "anything goes in war" is a slippery slope that I'm not going to join you on.

[Beso]

Geez really?! one baby were killed on Oct 7th and that's been well documented

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax




From your 1st link..


However, in the horror of this massacre, in which 38 minors including two infants were killed

[Beso]

One of them also states, 6000 Palestinians took part on Oct 7th, 2800 of which were hamas operatives..

[DemRed]

So... nothing to do with the fact that fundamental Islam in general and Hamas in particular, want the Jews gone from the face of the earth. No, it's Israel's fault Jews are being attacked. What was the reason we were being attacked prior to 7th October? Still Israel's fault? How about before the mandate in 1948? Yeah, let me guess... Israel's fault.

So you support what Netanyahu is doing.
17000 dead children and counting. Many with sniper bullets to the head whilst laying injured in the bombed rubble. Thousands more face imminent death from starvation and lack of medical facilities.
211 journalists targeted and murdered by the IDF
408 aid workers including more than 280 UNRWA staff have been killed in Gaza since the war began.
Entire families obliterated.
The IDF film themselves whilst setting dogs on disabled and the elderly.
Mass graves reveal the dead, hands zipped behind their backs and shot in the back of the head.
According to a United Nations Special Committee, Amnesty International, and other experts and human rights organisations, Israel is committing genocide.

And you highlight one comment because you are looking to be offended.

[DemRed]

From your 1st link..


However, in the horror of this massacre, in which 38 minors including two infants were killed

The IDF were ordered to use the Hannibal Directive. Surviving Israelis have spoken out about helicopters and tanks shooting at anyone that moved.

Even if they did kill 38 minors, is that enough reason to kill 1700 children in Gaza?

[DemRed]

If you feel intimidated by a stranger on a forum who you're never going to run into I'd say the problem is yours. You spend the whole post insulting me and then claim I'm the one being insulting. You're not going to share anything with me. Course not. You might have to back up some of your claims.

Oh I'm not intimidated by you, even though you try your best. You are water off a ducks back.... a bit annoying, but in a trivial, somewhat amusing way.
I started this post with my right to freedom of speech. I directed what I said at nobody on here and you flew in, in your hawkish way and started insulting me. I knew you would do it, just wish I'd put a bet on it!

[Livia]

Oh I'm not intimidated by you, even though you try your best. You are water off a ducks back.... a bit annoying, but in a trivial, somewhat amusing way.
I started this post with my right to freedom of speech. I directed what I said at nobody on here and you flew in, in your hawkish way and started insulting me. I knew you would do it, just wish I'd put a bet on it!

I'd like to go back to you not wanting to share anything with me. It suited me just fine. You're deluded at best and dangerously ill-informed at worse.

[Livia]

One of them also states, 6000 Palestinians took part on Oct 7th, 2800 of which were hamas operatives..

Oh, but her news sources are second to none!

[Beso]

The IDF were ordered to use the Hannibal Directive. Surviving Israelis have spoken out about helicopters and tanks shooting at anyone that moved.

Even if they did kill 38 minors, is that enough reason to kill 1700 children in Gaza?



Is the killing of 38 minors not enough to stop you flippantly dismissing their deaths?

[user104658]

Is the killing of 38 minors not enough to stop you flippantly dismissing their deaths?

You know, it's perfectly possible to acknowledge the horrors of Oct 7th and still be very, very clear that it doesn't justify the things that have happened to the Palestinian civilian population since then. "But Hamas!" just isn't a good enough reason for millions of people to be bombed and starved. It never will be, nothing could be.

[Beso]

You know, it's perfectly possible to acknowledge the horrors of Oct 7th and still be very, very clear that it doesn't justify the things that have happened to the Palestinian civilian population since then. "But Hamas!" just isn't a good enough reason for millions of people to be bombed and starved. It never will be, nothing could be.


Hamas made up less than half of the invading forces on Oct 7th, the rest were Palestinians.

[user104658]

Hamas made up less than half of the invading forces on Oct 7th, the rest were Palestinians.

:facepalm: It was a few thousand people and you're saying that's reason enough to kill and starve millions. Make it make sense.

[Beso]

:facepalm: It was a few thousand people and you're saying that's reason enough to kill and starve millions. Make it make sense.

To kill, yes. Starve, well Hamas have a lot to blame for that. And Israel have taken steps to prevent Hamas from looting aid, by introducing a new aid programme, which I posted about earlier.

[DemRed]

Is the killing of 38 minors not enough to stop you flippantly dismissing their deaths?

This has gone way beyond Oct 7th and what you are stating isn't backed by any publicly available data.
Every life matters including every Israeli who was murdered on the 7th Oct.

A Palestinian child is no less precious than an Israeli child... all murdered children are innocent.

https://www.barrons.com/news/how-many-children-were-killed-in-hamas-s-october-7-attack-9c1d8239

[Beso]

This has gone way beyond Oct 7th and what you are stating isn't backed by any publicly available data.
Every life matters including every Israeli who was murdered on the 7th Oct.

A Palestinian child is no less precious than an Israeli child... all murdered children are innocent.

https://www.barrons.com/news/how-many-children-were-killed-in-hamas-s-october-7-attack-9c1d8239




Erm, that data came from the links you shared.

[Livia]

Erm, that data came from the links you shared.

Oops... LOL

[Beso]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19DBNKUFRk/

[user104658]

Oops... LOL

"There's nothing funny here..." she insisted. "Unless, of course, I happen to think so."

Oop LOL indeed Livia :)

[Livia]

"There's nothing funny here..." she insisted. "Unless, of course, I happen to think so."

Oop LOL indeed Livia :)

Someone posting info and then saying it's worthless when quoted back to her is quite funny.

[DemRed]

W6J39sHIrkQ

[Beso]

W6J39sHIrkQ

The same Jeffrey Sachs who's last vanity project, the millennium villages, failed dramatically at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. Nor the cleverest of men.

[arista]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19DBNKUFRk/


Yes
crazy, not knowing he was alive

[DemRed]

AWdEmk-PXQs

[DemRed]

m2vafMFmJHU

[Beso]

m2vafMFmJHU

He says all that in a suit that probably costs more than some people earn in a year, and expects to be believed.:joker:

[user104658]

He says all that in a suit that probably costs more than some people earn in a year, and expects to be believed.:joker:

It must be an easy life, simply choosing to "not believe" any uncomfortable thought. Children starving? FAKE. Innocents blown to bits? FAKE they were terrorists. Anyone says anything that doesn't sit quite right? FALSE, FAKE, NO EVIDENCE of that.

I'm sure it's all very comforting. Like believing in Santa.

[Livia]

It must be an easy life, simply choosing to "not believe" any uncomfortable thought. Children starving? FAKE. Innocents blown to bits? FAKE they were terrorists. Anyone says anything that doesn't sit quite right? FALSE, FAKE, NO EVIDENCE of that.

I'm sure it's all very comforting. Like believing in Santa.

Better than being taken in by everything.

[user104658]

Better than being taken in by everything.

Flip side of the same coin. Are you borrowing Crimson Dynamo's equally-daft mantra of "Everything except exactly what I believe is MSM brainwashing"? That bleating nonsense got raggedy round the edges years ago.

[Beso]

It must be an easy life, simply choosing to "not believe" any uncomfortable thought. Children starving? FAKE. Innocents blown to bits? FAKE they were terrorists. Anyone says anything that doesn't sit quite right? FALSE, FAKE, NO EVIDENCE of that.

I'm sure it's all very comforting. Like believing in Santa.




You do realise I'm commenting on a video of a rich nd powerful Palestinian who is saying in the video his voice is silenced, he is a child of a lesser god, he is downtrodden etc etc...

I heard his voice which he claims is silenced I can see he is succcesfull by the suit. So which part are you saying is fake, or FAKE, as you prefer to put it..

[user104658]

You do realise I'm commenting on a video of a rich nd powerful Palestinian who is saying in the video his voice is silenced, he is a child of a lesser god, he is downtrodden etc etc...

I heard his voice which he claims is silenced I can see he is succcesfull by the suit. So which part are you saying is fake, or FAKE, as you prefer to put it..

It's part of a wider pattern of there always being "some reason" that the attacks on Palestine are completely fine/valid. This is the reason "this time" -- but there's always a reason, isn't there? Always a "Well, actually..." to morally justify bombing another school or hospital. Never once a thought of "You know maybe this actually was a bit too much". There will always be a "reason" not to listen, a "reason" that it's fine, a "Oh yeah well woddabout October 7th???" in response to any criticism.

[Livia]

It's part of a wider pattern of there always being "some reason" that the attacks on Palestine are completely fine/valid. This is the reason "this time" -- but there's always a reason, isn't there? Always a "Well, actually..." to morally justify bombing another school or hospital. Never once a thought of "You know maybe this actually was a bit too much". There will always be a "reason" not to listen, a "reason" that it's fine, a "Oh yeah well woddabout October 7th???" in response to any criticism.

Do you think Israel bombs schools and hospitals for no reason? Hamas uses human shields. They operate from schools and hospitals.

No one says "woddabout". Are you claiming some of us are stupid or is this your ropey attempt at humour? Don't bother answering, I know your views.

[Beso]

It's part of a wider pattern of there always being "some reason" that the attacks on Palestine are completely fine/valid. This is the reason "this time" -- but there's always a reason, isn't there? Always a "Well, actually..." to morally justify bombing another school or hospital. Never once a thought of "You know maybe this actually was a bit too much". There will always be a "reason" not to listen, a "reason" that it's fine, a "Oh yeah well woddabout October 7th???" in response to any criticism.

The western world gets a helll of a lot of "factual" stories out of the area, without a single western journalist being in the area!

If you prefer to believe murdering terrorists every time they open their mouths, then so be it.. I simply tread more carefully after decades of Hamas fake propaganda.

[user104658]

Do you think Israel bombs schools and hospitals for no reason? Hamas uses human shields. They operate from schools and hospitals.

No one says "woddabout". Are you claiming some of us are stupid or is this your ropey attempt at humour? Don't bother answering, I know your views.

I don't think "Hamas was using them as human shields" is justification for bombing civilians. That's the difference and something we'll never agree on. You think a kid blown to bits is " bit sad but ho-hum what can you do?" because the same bomb might have hit a terrorist or two.

The place has been levelled by bombs, more civilians being blown to pieces or starving every day, and the justification is STILL "there's some Hamas in there". This has been going on for years so the tactic clearly isn't very effective. "There's STILL Hamas in there".

Plus anyone with half an ounce of personal honesty will see it's fairly obvious that this is only half of the reason - the other half being that they want the land cleared (definition of this is genocide).

[user104658]

The western world gets a helll of a lot of "factual" stories out of the area, without a single western journalist being in the area!

If you prefer to believe murdering terrorists every time they open their mouths, then so be it.. I simply tread more carefully after decades of Hamas fake propaganda.

I don't believe either of them I just don't think there's any justification whatsoever for the scale of destruction and death of civilians that's currently occurring/occurred in Gaza. It's not about believing anyone's "side" - it's saying, there is no possible justification, it does not exist.

You think there are justifications for blowing up children. And that's your own business / moral quandry to justify. I'm not interested in justifying it, it's inexcusable and the world is finally starting to wake up to that.

Kill as many Hamas as you want but if it involves carpet bombing hospitals "cos they're IN THERE I tell ya!" - no.

[Beso]

You think there are justifications for blowing up children


Dont speak for me...


And tbh, I'm sick of taking your abuse every day just cause your jobs boring..I'm nor here to make your day go quicker...


See ya later tonight if you want to talk more about things, but I won't ever reply now to you during work hours from now on.

[user104658]

You think there are justifications for blowing up children


Dont speak for me...


And tbh, I'm sick of taking your abuse every day just cause your jobs boring..I'm nor here to make your day go quicker...


See ya later tonight if you want to talk more about things, but I won't ever reply now to you during work hours from now on.

I'm not "speaking for you" I'm seeing with my own eyes that people are justifying the deaths of children and other innocent civilians as collateral damage (quite casually, zero real empathy). It probably comes from the (false, nonsensical, but ideologically comfortable) notion that Palestinian civilians are somehow complicit with the actions of Hamas / are "Hamas by proxy" (or maybe the children are "Tomorrow's Hamas so better to nip it in the bud). But no, most of them are just normal people, as is always the case in war, and they're being exterminated by an expansionist regime with the justification (flimsy, fake, just entirely dubious) excuse that it's "counter-terror measures because they're hiding amongst them".

Horrific.

But if you don't want to think about it and would prefer to dismiss my disgust as me being "just bored" because -- again -- it's easier for you to not actually engage with these uncomfortable thoughts then by all means go for it. Anything to avoid actually considering what's happening to these people right?

[Beso]

No.not right.

[user104658]

No.not right.

:shrug: It's how you're coming across to me so if it's "not right" that's not really my problem. I suspect you'd say that you know how you feel / what you think so the impression I (or anyone else) gets doesn't matter, and that's fine, but if it's the case you don't half complain a lot about it being the wrong impression.

You've referenced Oct 7th / "hiding Hamas" as a counter-point to people having issues with the scale of human suffering and civilian infrastructure destruction multiple times, the only reasonable assumption is that you think it's an acceptable "war response". Lots of people disagree with that assessment. You repeat it as though they're saying that Oct 7th wasn't awful or was acceptable -- it wasn't, it just doesn't justify bombing children. It never will. You think it does. We disagree. There's nothing more to it.

[DemRed]

T9qzT4ZAL_g

[arista]

Yes,
Doctor Victoria Rose
doing good work in Gaza
has been on all TV news.


On GMBHD itv
this morning

[Jessica.]

It's like burning someone's house down because there's a spider in it, ridiculous excuse.

[Beso]

2 videos....Someone's lying.


https://youtu.be/da44V6GOzS8?si=tR2xIzMIgCdCmaWP




https://youtu.be/7RPZjS0Q4R8?si=Jkgx-xvCYumG2VsV

[user104658]

2 videos....Someone's lying.


https://youtu.be/da44V6GOzS8?si=tR2xIzMIgCdCmaWP




https://youtu.be/7RPZjS0Q4R8?si=Jkgx-xvCYumG2VsV

There's nothing contradictory between those two videos.

[Beso]

There's nothing contradictory between those two videos.

Oh please.....they've seemingly walked 42 km in desert conditions, yet their trainers and t-shirts are spotless, they even brought the kids along for the ride.

[DemRed]

dKFcehPpD9M

[arista]

Yesterday there was film,
of a Gunman in White Clothing (Hamas Gangsters)
Killed locals going to get food.

They were shooting at all that broke into the food supplies.

Some warehouses are full of Food
that is not getting distributed.

Why are Hamas gunmen controlling that?


Report on Ch4HDnews

[Livia]

Yesterday there was film,
of a Gunman in White Clothing (Hamas Gangsters)
Killed locals going to get food.

They were shooting at all that broke into the food supplies.

Some warehouses are full of Food
that is not getting distributed.

Why are Hamas gunmen controlling that?


Report on Ch4HDnews

That's funny, arista, because today it's claimed that the shooters were Israeli. I guess this kind of confusion happens when the BBC accepts news releases from Hamas.

[arista]

I think,
Today 27 were killed by Israeli troops

Because they are breaking in to get the food.


https://news.sky.com/story/24-palestinians-killed-by-israeli-fire-while-waiting-for-aid-distribution-says-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-13378432

[bots]

OfDMcWjuzlM

[arista]

Two older bodies Israeli-American hostages
who were killed, on Oct 17
were returned to Israel
by the IDF.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/05/israel-recovers-bodies-two-israeli-american-hostages-7-october-attack-judih-weinstein-gad-haggai

[Oliver_W]

Yesterday there was film,
of a Gunman in White Clothing (Hamas Gangsters)
Killed locals going to get food.

They were shooting at all that broke into the food supplies.

Some warehouses are full of Food
that is not getting distributed.

Why are Hamas gunmen controlling that?


Report on Ch4HDnews
They use "locals" as human shields, keep donated food for themselves, and use water pipes as missiles ... there's no "why" when it comes to Hamas.

[Livia]

Dawn French is the latest "celebrity" to open their smug, self-righteous mouth and be forced to apologise.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/07/dawn-french-apologises-oct-7-attacks-video/

I'm not sure what it is about the celebrity lifestyle that leads them to believe they're a suitable mouthpiece for just about every topic in the news.

[arista]

A Ship with aid
and Greta Thunberg on board,
has now been blocked by the IDF.

It was expected to be blocked


https://news.sky.com/video/why-is-greta-thunberg-and-other-activists-sailing-from-italy-to-gaza-13380480

[Zizu]

I was hoping we’d seen the last of the pesky brat !


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Jessica.]

Pathetic Israel released a propaganda video of their soldiers handing out food and water to the passengers of the madleen.. an aid ship full of food for starving Palestinians. Stupid and tone deaf.

[Beso]

I see the leader of Hamas died in a tunnel that runs directly beneath the EU funded European Hospital in Al-Fukhari near Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip, Palestine. It was founded by the UNRWA with a grant from the European Union.

[Glenn.]

Pathetic Israel released a propaganda video of their soldiers handing out food and water to the passengers of the madleen.. an aid ship full of food for starving Palestinians. Stupid and tone deaf.

You can’t make it up

[The Slim Reaper]

I see the leader of Hamas died in a tunnel that runs directly beneath the EU funded European Hospital in Al-Fukhari near Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip, Palestine. It was founded by the UNRWA with a grant from the European Union.

Israel built those tunnels.

[Livia]

Hamas built the tunnels.

[Beso]

Israel built those tunnels.

Balderdash.

[The Slim Reaper]

The tunnels under Gaza were first built in 1980, by Israel, who fully occupied Gaza at the time.

Hamas didn't even exist until the late 80's.

The maths ain't mathing.

[arista]

Greta Thunberg
has now been dragged to the airport
and put on a plane back to Sweden.

[Beso]

The tunnels under Gaza were first built in 1980, by Israel, who fully occupied Gaza at the time.

Hamas didn't even exist until the late 80's.

The maths ain't mathing.



If you can come away from Hamas.org for a minute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip

[arista]

Greta Thunberg
has now been dragged to the airport
and put on a plane back to Sweden.



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/10/09/99210575-0-image-m-8_1749543045233.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14796767/Greta-Thunberg-freedom-flotilla-activists-REFUSE-watch-footage-October-7-atrocities-ahead-deportation-Israel-says-Swedes-Instagram-activism-feeding-ego-not-Gaza.html

[Livia]

I thought she was kidnapped? I thought she'd be held for years with no one knowing if she was alive or dead. No wait... that's the Israelis who were kidnapped.

Greta and her flunkies refused to watch footage of 7th October attacks. Well, ignorance is bliss, I guess.

[Oliver_W]

I doubt anyone on the Selfie Yacht truly believed their food would get to staving Gazans.

[Beso]

Looks like she kept all the sour grapes to herself.

[arista]

Greta was now speaking to the Press,

In Paris , France

[The Slim Reaper]

I thought she was kidnapped? I thought she'd be held for years with no one knowing if she was alive or dead. No wait... that's the Israelis who were kidnapped.

Greta and her flunkies refused to watch footage of 7th October attacks. Well, ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The world didn't start on October 7th. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been kidnapped, raped, and tortured by the Israeli state.

Serious question, even if we assume the world did start on October 7th, have you not seen the live feed of all atrocities committed by Israel? Did you watch the video I posted early in the thread, where Jewish soldiers were laughing about emptying guns into classrooms of children, back in the 60's?

If you won't watch or show any interest in documented reality, why would these people want to watch a propaganda Israeli snuff film? I bet the video of Israel gunning it's own people down, won't be on the video.

[Jessica.]

The world didn't start on October 7th. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been kidnapped, raped, and tortured by the Israeli state.

Serious question, even if we assume the world did start on October 7th, have you not seen the live feed of all atrocities committed by Israel? Did you watch the video I posted early in the thread, where Jewish soldiers were laughing about emptying guns into classrooms of children, back in the 60's?

If you won't watch or show any interest in documented reality, why would these people want to watch a propaganda Israeli snuff film? I bet the video of Israel gunning it's own people down, won't be on the video.

I think everyone in this thread knows now that Israel has gone way too far with his genocide under the guise of fighting terror but they'll never admit it. Israeli beaches are full of happy and relaxed people right now just kilometers from Gaza, they are not scared and hiding away from Hamas. They know that Palestinians are being killed, gored, starved etc.. but they use the terror attack as a way of avoiding a guilty conscience.

[The Slim Reaper]

Israel has been using these tactics for 60 years, including rape.

1710865850163429650



Livia

have you seen this? Any chance you could comment on it, please? love to get your perspective on something that happened before October 7th.

[arista]

The Labour Party has now sanctioned
2 Israeli Politicians


https://news.sky.com/story/sanctioning-of-ministers-adds-to-israels-growing-ostracisation-over-gaza-and-west-bank-13381689

[Livia]

Three years ago Russia sanctioned 287 British MPs. It didn't take up a whole lot of their time.

[The Slim Reaper]

Have you watched that video I posted for you up above, Liv?

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-357e9b4e-203e-4793-aade-8d7625554302.png

[Jessica.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-357e9b4e-203e-4793-aade-8d7625554302.png

Nothing is going to stop Israel from killing Palestinians, they don't see them as human. It's an atrocity.

[bots]

Nothing is going to stop Israel from killing Palestinians, they don't see them as human. It's an atrocity.

Do you think that Israel would exist today if Hamas had access to the same fire power?

[Jessica.]

Do you think that Israel would exist today if Hamas had access to the same fire power?
Hamas is not Palestine. You could say that about any terror organisation. If the innocent Palestinians could fight back at the same level then Israel might actually stop attacking them.

[bots]

Hamas is not Palestine. You could say that about any terror organisation. If the innocent Palestinians could fight back at the same level then Israel might actually stop attacking them.

You make a distinction for innocent Palestinians but not for innocent Israelis ?

[Livia]

You make a distinction for innocent Palestinians but not for innocent Israelis ?

It was ever thus...

[Jessica.]

You make a distinction for innocent Palestinians but not for innocent Israelis ?

The ones attacking Palestinians aren't innocent, are they? I wasn't talking about the Israelis who condemn genocide at all.

[Livia]

Ah... A distinction at last from one of our resident "experts".

How about those who carried out the 7th October attack? Those that are still holding Israeli hostages? Those who murdered a mother and her two babies in captivity? The Palestinians who were dancing in the street at over 1200 people being murdered? The Palestinians who fired rockets into Israel day in, day out for decades before 7th October?

I already know the answer... Yeah, Israel bad, though...

[The Slim Reaper]

Ah... A distinction at last from one of our resident "experts".

How about those who carried out the 7th October attack? Those that are still holding Israeli hostages? Those who murdered a mother and her two babies in captivity? The Palestinians who were dancing in the street at over 1200 people being murdered? The Palestinians who fired rockets into Israel day in, day out for decades before 7th October?

I already know the answer... Yeah, Israel bad, though...

Did...anything happen before October 7th? I've posted that video on this very page which shows exactly how long Israel has been using terror against Palestinian civilians. Have you watched the video yet?

[The Slim Reaper]

Do you think that Israel would exist today if Hamas had access to the same fire power?

This is nothing more than willful ignorance. Hamas wasn't created until the late 80's. Israel has been oppressing the Palestinian people since the late 40's. Do you have no concept or understanding of history?

Playing these ridiculous hypotheticals out, when everything Hamas is accused of, Israel has done first, by orders of magnitude, every day for nearly 80 years.

[Oliver_W]

Hamas is not Palestine. You could say that about any terror organisation. If the innocent Palestinians could fight back at the same level then Israel might actually stop attacking them.

We say Hamas instead of Palestine - why not IDF instead of Israel?

[Beso]

We say Hamas instead of Palestine - why not IDF instead of Israel?

:clap1:

[The Slim Reaper]

We say Hamas instead of Palestine - why not IDF instead of Israel?

Because that analogy doesn't make any sense. It's the state of Israel that is directing things. the IDF is a part of the state.

[Jessica.]

We say Hamas instead of Palestine - why not IDF instead of Israel?

Should I call the English National Action?

[Beso]

Because that analogy doesn't make any sense. It's the state of Israel that is directing things. the IDF is a part of the state.

And Hamas are the rulers of Palestine who directed things on behalf if it's people on Oct 7th.:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

And Hamas are the rulers of Palestine who directed things on behalf if it's people on Oct 7th.:shrug:

But that's simply not true. Gaza is an open air concentration camp. Palestine doesn't have any of the apparatus of a state. It's just stupid.

[Beso]

But that's simply not true. Gaza is an open air concentration camp. Palestine doesn't have any of the apparatus of a state. It's just stupid.

But they still managed the Oct 7th ongoing atrocities, perpetrated on behalf of the Palestinians.

[The Slim Reaper]

But they still managed the Oct 7th ongoing atrocities, perpetrated on behalf of the Palestinians.

Repeating the same thing doesn't make it any more true, when it's a false premise.

[Livia]

But they still managed the Oct 7th ongoing atrocities, perpetrated on behalf of the Palestinians.

I remember the celebrations in the streets of Gaza, singing, dancing... Young men standing in front of burning Israeli vehicles calling their parents and telling them to be proud of their sons for attacking an unarmed kibbutz and a peace festival full of young people dancing.

[Jessica.]

I remember the celebrations in the streets of Gaza, singing, dancing... Young men standing in front of burning Israeli vehicles calling their parents and telling them to be proud of their sons for attacking an unarmed kibbutz and a peace festival full of young people dancing.

Maybe one of their family members was killed by Israel and they felt like they had gotten justice? Not saying it's right to celebrate the death but it happens.

[Livia]

Maybe one of their family members was killed by Israel and they felt like they had gotten justice? Not saying it's right to celebrate the death but it happens.

The whole place was celebrating, don't you remember? It's etched on my brain. But hey, I knew someone here would be willing to justify the murders on 7th October. And here you are.

[Jessica.]

The whole place was celebrating, don't you remember? It's etched on my brain. But hey, I knew someone here would be willing to justify the murders on 7th October. And here you are.

You know everything apparently.

[The Slim Reaper]

The whole place was celebrating, don't you remember? It's etched on my brain. But hey, I knew someone here would be willing to justify the murders on 7th October. And here you are.

O7 was heinous, but it didn't happen in a vacuum. You have no interest in Israeli soldiers laughing about raping and murdering Palestinians to steel their land, because I posted that video for you to watch, and yet you have no interest.

to understand why we hare here, a curious international lawyer would be keen to take in all the evidence, not a postage stamp sized selection from a much, much bigger picture.

You refuse to discuss the topic, and instead want to grunt and snort at jessica like you're some kind of oracle. it's ridiculous at this stage, when a genocide is being broadcast into our eyes on a daily basis.

More journalists have been killed in this massacre, than in ww1/2 Vietnam, and the gulf wars combined.

Israel is massacring any and everything they can, and it's a sick bloodlust at this stage

The first day of the world was not October 7th, and pretending otherwise is the pursuit of a sickness.

[Beso]

Repeating the same thing doesn't make it any more true, when it's a false premise.

Who did they do it for then?


I'm generally curious as to why the Palestinian people gave them a trophy parade.

[Oliver_W]

Should I call the English National Action?

No because National Action don't hold the same position for "the English" that Hamas do for Palestinians

[arista]

[Dozens of Palestinians been killed while trying
to access aid in Gaza, hospital officials say.

Two hospitals said 25 people were killed overnight,
near a convoy transporting flour and a food distribution
site run by the US- and Israel-backed
Gaza Humanitarian Foundation in the area
of the Netzarim corridor, an Israeli military zone
in central Gaza.

The Hamas-run Civil Defence agency said
Israeli forces opened fire, and there are also
reports of people being crushed by lorries
and being shot by Palestinians.
The Israeli military said troops fired warning
shots at suspects who approached them.

Another six people were killed by Israeli
gunfire near a GHF site in Rafah,
in the south, Nasser hospital in Khan Younis said.

The Israeli military said it was looking
into the reports from Rafah.]


BBC

[arista]

Sadly, over 50 killed,
last night, as they rushed in to take food

Many were injured, also.

Was on all media.

[bots]

trump is now taking credit for the damage done on iran

[arista]

[RAF airlifts 63 British nationals out of Israel
to Cyprus amid growing conflict with Iran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14839037/RAF-airlifts-63-British-nationals-Israel-Cyprus.html

You have to register to achieve a flight

[The Slim Reaper]

British nationals :smug:

[arista]

[RAF airlifts 63 British nationals out of Israel
to Cyprus amid growing conflict with Iran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14839037/RAF-airlifts-63-British-nationals-Israel-Cyprus.html

You have to register to achieve a flight


Update because some flights were halted,
They now have a Ship to take them.
If they still want to leave?


Reports GMBHD itv Live in Israel

[arista]

GMBHD itv


Reported another 25 shot dead,
As they broke in, to get food in Gaza

[Cherie]

This situtation cannot continue surely

[arista]

Sadly, Cherie, it is.


[Israeli attacks across Gaza on Wednesday killed at least
45 Palestinians, including some who were seeking aid,
The health ministry said.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military announced that
seven soldiers were killed in a bomb attack
on Tuesday claimed by Hamas.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clylzlv91pro

[arista]

Sadly
another 75 have been killed in Gaza
again trying to break into the food supply building.


News thread from the 24th of June
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15wz2ee05do

[arista]

Sadly
Children waiting near a medical centre
for a food paste to stay alive were killed.

Israel was killing a Hamas Terrorist
near them.
They regreat the civilian deaths.


Ref: BBC1HD 6PM news

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0961ffb9-11a3-421a-8a44-07bf3ef9711c.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c179b229-5e1c-49ec-9bdf-3f160dfb3815.png

[arista]

WION HD Gravitas Live

Report the International MBDA bomb maker in the UK
is still making big profits from selling it to the IDF
They also have Factories in the EU.

They are lethal Fire Bombs that kill 100's at a time.

MBDA also selling wings for bomber planes.
making Billions of Dollars in profits.

The British ban on some bombs has not effected these
bombs.

[Livia]

Are we saying Israel should not be armed?

[arista]

Are we saying Israel should not be armed?

No, they need to be armed.

But the UK is not being honest
on what they are blocking

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-74c871f5-f8b0-4a24-a24c-4b2d6ac70ef1.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3def76a3-3cea-407c-9197-06edb42786fb.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9078eb60-5d42-415b-baf1-60195610ca6b.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-36585de2-7a62-439c-a880-aa10fbf34919.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-53229391-9053-48d3-8d9a-2e66652cb0d7.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/8cbb/live/4b858220-68dc-11f0-89ea-4d6f9851f623.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/93d7/live/1443b960-68d9-11f0-89ea-4d6f9851f623.jpg.webp

[arista]

Good News,

Israel will now allow other nations to drop Aid from the Sky

Well needed
as many children are starving to death.


https://news.sky.com/story/israel-allows-foreign-countries-to-parachute-aid-into-gaza-13401638

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/1627/live/6d522f90-699d-11f0-af20-030418be2ca5.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/f046/live/72531750-699f-11f0-89ea-4d6f9851f623.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:dzezcmpb3fhcpns4n4xm4ur5/bafkreibd4lxwsoby6tvtvgbdxz7b3fldxrzh2n45arvebc636 ixbsyv4ve@jpeg

[Livia]

147 of the 193 UN member states recognise Palestine as a state.

[bots]

The Israel armed forces are operating on an all or nothing basis at the moment and I completely understand the reasoning behind it. However, the optics are dreadful. In times gone by they would have been able to do as they are without the rest of the world really knowing anything about it, not anymore. There is a limit to what the world will put up with

[arista]

147 of the 193 UN member states recognise Palestine as a state.


But HAMAS is staying there

They are not in any uniform
how could you find them?

[Livia]

But HAMAS is staying there

They are not in any uniform
how could you find them?

How did Mossad find all those terrorists and get pagers into their hands?

Maybe they could make a condition that in exchange for statehood, Palestine hold free and fair elections? Get rid of Hamas. Perhaps then their Muslim brothers and sisters in neighbouring countries might want something to do with them then.

[arista]

At last

Air Dropped Food
is saving some lives

[arista]

Old Reporter Jeremy Bowen
of the BBC

Went up with one Big Plane from Jordan
Dropping Aid (food and medical)
direct into Gaza.
They filmed it going down,
but they then stated to the BBC,
Israel told Jordan
to not allow him to Film anymore.

The IDF is on a 10-hour break.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Donald Trump's visit to Scotland was a
"diplomatic win" for Sir Keir Starmer
as the US president said he will set up
"food centres" in Gaza during the
worsening humanitarian crisis there,
The i Paper reports.]




https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b879c6f0-607f-41f8-b587-a8fb0ef36ef9.png

[Livia]

Old Reporter Jeremy Bowen
of the BBC

Went up with one Big Plane from Jordan
Dropping Aid (food and medical)
direct into Gaza.
They filmed it going down,
but they then stated to the BBC,
Israel told Jordan
to not allow him to Film anymore.

The IDF is on a 10-hour break.

The BBC doesn't even refer to what Israel says now, instead it prefers to quote from Hamas releases and their "trusted independent reporters" in Gaza. Their tortured, purple prose accompanying pictures of undernourished kids are like show reels for news awards, it's like Drop The Dead Donkey. If I was the IDF I wouldn't allow these people to film either. Jordan and the UAE are dropping food but still not allowing Palestinians into their countries.

The UN claimed Israel was stockpiling aid and not allowing it into Gaza. Israel said the aid had been checked and passed and was ready for distribution, they released drone footage of it, ready to go. but the UN said it was not safe to distribute it so the aid sat where it was. Now the UN say that air drops are not safe. So what's to be done?

I look forward to similar stories out of Syria and Yemen... but I'm not holding my breath.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
sent their lady reporter
in the other Jordan Plane
that dropped masses of Food /Medicine
into Gaza

It was shown yesterday.

[Livia]

Since 7th October, when the war was started by Hamas, double the aid has gone into Gaza than went in before the war. Where is it? Anyone? Anyone?

[bots]

what i'm trying to figure out, and can't find an answer. What has changed since that 7th October date that has changed the legality of recognising Palestine as a state

[arista]

PM Starmer is now in an Emergency
Cabinet meeting on Gaza.


Yes, AirDrop more food

[arista]

[UK will recognise the Palestinian state in
September unless Israel
agrees to Gaza ceasefire and other conditions]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cdrkj810plvt

[Maru]

[UK will recognise the Palestinian state in
September unless Israel
agrees to Gaza ceasefire and other conditions]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cdrkj810plvt

Hmm.

[bots]

Hmm.

i never thought i would see the day when the UK government would threaten to recognise a terrorist state if their demands were not met.

Since when has a country's legitimacy been used as a threat

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3374f381-8709-4b07-83d9-6acaf69e6b33.png

[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9b131fb1-43de-49a3-9a06-bc686f1b9f23.png

[Maru]

i never thought i would see the day when the UK government would threaten to recognise a terrorist state if their demands were not met.

Since when has a country's legitimacy been used as a threat

Given that there are so many people (and countries even) that seem to want Israel wiped off of a map, I can see that just simply emboldening them further.

[arista]

Now Canada has
Recognized the State of Palestine in September.


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-4b42735c-71b7-44de-be50-b349c9e12862.png

[Oliver_W]

Why are so many people desperate to reward Hamas, seemingly strings-free?

[bots]

Why are so many people desperate to reward Hamas, seemingly strings-free?

it defies logic and even more it doesn't make legal sense. By recognising the state it opens us up to accepting refugess that are 100% terrorists

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The UK has defended its intention to
recognise the state of Palestine if Israel
doesn't change course - but hasn't put
any conditions on Hamas as part of the plan,
the i reports.]



https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b35921f2-37e5-4997-891f-c6fd5aae6d4c.jpeg

[arista]

Shocking report 3mins
from yesterdays Ch4HDnews

https://www.channel4.com/news/at-least-10-people-killed-seeking-aid-in-gaza

[arista]

Shocking Image today
Hamas showed Starving Hostage Evyatar David
in his tunnel

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/02/14/100868123-14965071-image-m-3_1754141264733.jpg


[Hamas has released a horrifying video
of an emaciated Israeli hostage after
664 days in captivity - with Israelis saying
he is going through his own Holocaust]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965071/Hamas-releases-shocking-video-Israeli-hostage.html


Ch4HDnews showed the Video

BBC1HD 6PM news refused to show the video
but did show that photo.

[arista]

Pathetic PM Starmer
has now stated that Hamas will
have no part in the future Government in Gaza.

The Problem is
They are still in charge

[Beso]

Pathetic PM Starmer
has now stated that Hamas will
have no part in the future Government in Gaza.

The Problem is
They are still in charge

:joker:

What's he gonna do?, bomb them out of power!

[arista]

Live in the United Nations hall on a Massive screen

The Brother is live
speaking about his skeleton of his brother
He stated the terrorist's Hamas
have food near him.

But they are starving him.


This is his brother, aged 24,
3 days back
marking another day,
Terrorists Hamas made him dig his own Grave.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/02/14/100868123-14965071-image-m-3_1754141264733.jpg

[arista]

Reports Israel is now planning to take over
Gaza in full.

They have lost 20 IDF troops,
already.


Meanwhile,
Leaders of Hamas have refused the Ceasefire

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/147c/live/1c143940-730a-11f0-af20-030418be2ca5.jpg.webp

[arista]

The Israeli Cabinet has Fully Agreed
to the Full Take Over of Gaza

all Media

[arista]

Netanyahu: We do not want to govern the Gaza Strip

We intend to remove HAMAS from the Gaza Strip

[arista]

BBC News Text:
["Netanyahu defies warnings
over taking military control of all Gaza"
reports the Guardian.
The paper alleges that the
Israeli prime minister made the comments
before a security cabinet meeting
and said Israel "did not ultimately want
to govern the territory and would give
that responsibility to friendly Arab nations".]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/0fae/live/f33170d0-73d4-11f0-8071-1788c7e8ae0e.jpg.webp

[arista]

Leader Netanyahu Live on SkyNewsHD


Just had a Long Conference
world journalists


He said the Gaza people
Ask him to free them from HAMAS.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/4e5d/live/e3ffaa60-762b-11f0-a20f-3b86f375586a.jpg.webp