Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIxuHcGXoAA4zEZ?format=jpg&name=large

[arista]

That is Terrible LT.

These Hard Left
need to be ejected

[arista]

https://twitter.com/Muqadaam/status/1769107446256070999

[arista]

The Isreal Leader Netanyahu
was Live on CNN HD USA on UK TV.

He said 85% of Palestinians
Support HAMAS Terrorists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Isreal Leader Netanyahu
was Live on CNN HD USA on UK TV.

He said 85% of Palestinians
Support HAMAS Terrorists.

I thought it would be more

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[arista]

The IDF killed a Hamas Leader
who was hiding in the Hospital.

SkyNewsHD filmed near it.

Terrible mess.
But the IDF killed one leader of Hamas Terrorist Coward

[arista]

Sky News Text: [The Guardian reports that
Israel is "isolated" after the
UN security council voted for an immediate
ceasefire in Gaza for the first time
since the war with Hamas started.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-4bde27d5-9d77-4f11-8a2c-bfec899aa9b9.png

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1772314344820285807?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The supposed good guys

[joeysteele]

Israel is in great danger of losing even it's strongest allies support.

The UN vote and the USA concern more and more now, would have been unthinkable just a few months ago

[user104658]

Israel is in great danger of losing even it's strongest allies support.

The UN vote and the USA concern more and more now, would have been unthinkable just a few months ago

IMO the US abstaining is more a courtesy here because of their "special relationship" here... Abstaining when everyone else is saying yes is a vote in favour, with a little sprinkle of diplomacy. It's a "we're a yes to the ceasefire but we don't want to impact our relationship too badly".

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think everyone knows the UN agenda by now...

[joeysteele]

don't spread lies


Israel has more sympathies from the world, than ever before now :D

Excuse me.
I NEITHER state or spread lies.
Don't be so insulting.

[bots]

i think it's an horrific situation. The question is can Israel resume where they left off after a humanitarian pause, and the simple answer is yes

[arista]

Excuse me.
I NEITHER state or spread lies.
Don't be so insulting.


Yes Joey
good points that Israel is in danger
of losing some support.

[arista]

i think it's an horrific situation. The question is can Israel resume where they left off after a humanitarian pause, and the simple answer is yes


Yes
No nation can stop Israel
carrying on air bombing
on civilians and a few evil Hamas

[arista]

don't spread lies


Israel has more sympathies from the world, than ever before now :D


Nicky you can say sorry to a good member.

He was not posting any lies..................

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
good points that Israel is in danger
of losing some support.

Which is extremely sad for me to think and say arista.
I've always stood with Israel.

However Netanyahu and his current government I cannot support any longer.

[arista]

Which is extremely sad for me to think and say arista.
I've always stood with Israel.

However Netanyahu and his current government I cannot support any longer.

If he stops the War
he will go to prison.

So this War in the middle east
is going on for much longer years.

[arista]

SkyNews Text :
[The UN's top court has ordered Israel
to allow unimpeded access of food
aid into Gaza, The Guardian reports.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-03ac3ded-fc55-4911-a0ed-88ce0a82e710.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6aeda47e-7b43-4528-97ce-a139b2bdf584.png

[user104658]

Benny was chosen by the israeli public though, it is a democracy over there, unlike evil russia


Sexiest Man in Israel, Netanyahu and his MILF of a wife :lovedup:

:skull::skull::skull: Not Nicky thirsting after Benjamin Netanyahu's wife ffs :joker:

[Nicky91]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-02-2024-9bdf66771b62af37d85a2800f71c0e6c


DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — An apparent Israeli airstrike killed six international aid workers with the World Central Kitchen charity and their Palestinian driver, the aid group said Tuesday, as they were delivering food from its latest shipment to Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been pushed to the brink of famine by Israel’s offensive against Hamas.

Footage showed the bodies of the dead at a hospital in the central Gaza town of Deir al-Balah. Several of them wore protective gear with the charity’s logo. Those killed include three from Britain, one from Australia, one from Poland, and a U.S. and Canadian dual citizen, according to hospital records.

The source of fire late Monday could not be independently confirmed. The Israeli military said it was conducting a review “to understand the circumstances of this tragic incident.”

The food charity founded by celebrity chef José Andrés said it was immediately suspending operations in the region. The strike marked a potentially major setback to efforts to deliver aid by sea as Israel heavily restricts access to northern Gaza, where experts say famine is imminent.

“The WCK team was traveling in a deconflicted zone in two armored cars branded with the WCK logo and a soft skin vehicle,” the charity said in a statement.

“Despite coordinating movements with the (Israeli army), the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the maritime route.”

Erin Gore, the CEO of the charity, said “this is not only an attack against WCK, this is an attack on humanitarian organizations showing up in the most dire of situations where food is being used as a weapon of war. This is unforgivable.”

Three aid ships from the Mediterranean island nation of Cyprus arrived earlier Monday carrying some 400 tons of food and supplies organized by the charity and the United Arab Emirates, the group’s second shipment after a pilot run last month. The Israeli military was involved in coordinating both deliveries.


tragic

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[A senior Iranian general has been killed
in a suspected Israeli airstrike on
Iran's consulate in Damascus,
prompting fears of an escalation
of the Middle East crisis, The Times reports.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0a5ea399-8de7-4f91-bd14-7517d78d0d28.jpeg

[Crimson Dynamo]

IDF ends Shifa Hospital raid, says it killed 200 terror operatives, arrested 500 more

Palestinians report widespread destruction in wake of two-week operation; IDF soldier
killed Sunday is 600th military fatality since October 7 Hamas onslaught

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2024/04/AFP__20240401__34N442J__v2__HighRes__TopshotPalest inianIsraelConflictGaza-640x400.jpg

During the raid, which began March 18, the IDF said troops captured some 900
suspects, of whom more than 500 were confirmed to be terror operatives, and killed
more than 200 gunmen. Among those killed and detained were top commanders in
Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Valuable intelligence was also seized, the IDF said.

The military confirmed that its forces had left the hospital after earlier describing the
Shifa raid as one of the most successful operations of the nearly six-month war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-ends-shifa-hospital-raid-after-arresting-or-killing-hundreds-of-terror-operatives/

[arista]

3 British Aid Workers among the 7
Killed by the IDF when they fired a missile in Error
at the Aid Helpers Jeep.

[joeysteele]

3 British Aid Workers among the 7
Killed by the IDF when they fired a missile in Error
at the Aid Helpers Jeep.

The news just gets worse as to how things are being played out in this chaos now.

[arista]

The news just gets worse as to how things are being played out in this chaos now.


Massive Error
their Jeep had the Charity sign on it.

To fire a Power Missile on it
tragic error.


They have said sorry.

[arista]

[International food charity
World Central Kitchen (WCK) is suspending
its operations
in Gaza following the death of seven
of its workers in an Israeli air strike.

Three of the killed aid workers were
British citizens, WCK said.

The charity said those killed were part of an aid
convoy that was leaving a warehouse in
central Gaza on Monday.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
has acknowledged that
Israel's forces hit "innocent people".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68710515

[Liam-]

Hopefully now our governments start opening their eyes to the atrocities Israel are carrying out on a daily basis, it’s unlikely, but one can only hope

[user104658]

Hopefully now our governments start opening their eyes to the atrocities Israel are carrying out on a daily basis, it’s unlikely, but one can only hope

It's fairly evident at this point that Western governments are creating distance, they know the level of action being taken by Israel is not globally popular. They'll never condemn it though, for complicated political reasons & middle-east stability. To be honest Israel's unique relationship with the Western world is the main reason that they're going about this the way they are... any other state of a similar size, in the position they're in, would be playing a very different game (they would have to be).

[arista]

Hopefully now our governments start opening their eyes to the atrocities Israel are carrying out on a daily basis, it’s unlikely, but one can only hope

No
The Israel Ambassador will go to the Foreign Office.


Tragic Error.

[arista]

These were all great cooks
suppling hot food
when they were able to get supplies.

They knew how to expand massive meals

Real sad the rest of the charity
have had to halt.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Accident of a war started by Palestine/Hamas

[user104658]

Accident of a war started by Palestine/Hamas

"They started it :bawling:!!"

[joeysteele]

It's absolutely atrocious.
Sorry doesn't ALWAYS erase wrong

[Liam-]

If they stopped mudering civilians they wouldn’t ‘accidentally’ kill the wrong ones

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hamas chooses death over life. Nowhere is that more obvious than at Shifa, where they
chose to turn a maternity ward into a terrorist compound. :sad:

This is what we did about it:

https://x.com/IDF/status/1774859978366468357?s=20

[arista]

They were in 3 cars/jeeps
of the World Kitchen Group
all hit by the Power Missiles
a Tragic Error by the IDF Bomber Drone

All three vehicles were only driving
because the IDF agreed they could drive.

All with the Clear WCK logo on the top.


Ch4HDnews report



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/02/23/83171291-0-image-m-10_1712098199180.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13265397/British-volunteers-Gaza-IDF-approved-route-marked-vehicles-ruthlessly-picked-off.html

[arista]

Also, the IDF Killed Iranian Generals
by Blowing up the Iran Embassy In Syria

Reuters:
[Iran says Israel bombs its embassy in Syria, kills commanders]


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-bombs-iran-embassy-syria-iranian-commanders-among-dead-2024-04-01/


They have not said sorry for that.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F6C8/production/_133067136_guardian_page-0001.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7194/production/_133067092_i_page-0001.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BFB4/production/_133067094_telegraph_page-0001.jpg.webp


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15BF4/production/_133067098_express_page-0001.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EEF8/production/_133067116_mirror_page-0001.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13D18/production/_133067118_thesun.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/0880/production/_133067120_thetimes_page-0001.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10DD4/production/_133067096_ft_page-0001.jpg.webp

[joeysteele]

Terrible.

Imagine if this was Russia for instance who had murdered aid workers from other Countries as well as the UK.

Despicable action.
Netanyahu saying these things happen in war was extremely chilling.
Because he's been pushed by his allies to take much greater care in Gaza for a good while now.
It's no surprise to me that he and his awful government don't care at all.

[arista]

Its a Drone Error


3 cars hit by a missile each

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wars never go according to plan and never will

[Beso]

Wars never go according to plan and never will

It's hard to call it a war when one side has a far superior fire power than the other.

[arista]

It's hard to call it a war when one side has a far superior fire power than the other.


Yes but Hamas still
say everyone Jew must die.

[joeysteele]

It's supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas terrorist organisation.

Not against the ordinary women and children and babies of the Palestinians.
Not against international AID workers just trying to ease a bit of unnecessary suffering and MURDER.

Even a good number it seems of the Israeli population are fed up of Netanyahu and his current awful administration.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's hard to call it a war when one side has a far superior fire power than the other.

No, its a war against evil bloodthirsty terrorists that must be eradicated

[arista]

Yes Hamas are snakes
they are hidden in public places.

[joeysteele]

Yes Hamas are snakes
they are hidden in public places.

Then that's all the more vital reasons to ensure all precautions and strictest care to avoid civilian, women and childrens and aid workers lives being lost in the conflict.
Especially when civilians, women and children are left with really nowhere to go that is safe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKKLug4XQAAnK40?format=jpg&name=small

Can you imagine the same from Hamas/Palestine?

no neither can I

:/

[Liam-]

They purposefully shot 3, overtly identified cars of humanitarians, they’re not sorry they murdered civilians, they’re sorry they murdered the wrong civilians and now they’re getting attention for it because the victims were white and Western

[user104658]

They purposefully shot 3, overtly identified cars of humanitarians, they’re not sorry they murdered civilians, they’re sorry they murdered the wrong civilians and now they’re getting attention for it because the victims were white and Western

Correct IMO

"Guys... you gunned down unarmed civilians..."

"....and?"

"And some of them were British."

":omgno: fuuuuuuuuuu----!!"

Throwing a bit of lipservice at it is bare-minimum diplomacy and PR.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Israeli military on Monday announced the death of a soldier in fighting in the Gaza Strip, bringing the total number of troops killed since the October 7 Hamas attacks on Israel to 600.

The military announced the death of 20-year-old soldier Nadav Cohen, and updated its overall toll to 600 killed since the attacks that triggered the war.

The war began when Hamas-led militants stormed into southern Israel, killing some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and taking around 250 people hostage.

Israel responded with an air, land and sea offensive.


The Israeli military says it has killed over 13,000 Hamas fighters.

https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/4943191-israeli-army-says-600-soldiers-killed-october-7

[arista]

They purposefully shot 3, overtly identified cars of humanitarians, they’re not sorry they murdered civilians, they’re sorry they murdered the wrong civilians and now they’re getting attention for it because the victims were white and Western


But it was a Drone Bomber
that has an error.

Some military person hit the wrong key.


An Investigation should find out who went wrong.

[Oliver_W]

Yes but Hamas still
say everyone Jew must die.
Hamas absolutely should be removed before there are any serious talks of anything resembling a two-party state. No-one but certified looners or terrorist sympathisers would deny that.

BUT that doesn't excuse targeting civilians or aid workers.

But it was a Drone Bomber
that has an error.

Some military person hit the wrong key.
Oh. That's okay then.

[Nicky91]

They purposefully shot 3, overtly identified cars of humanitarians, they’re not sorry they murdered civilians, they’re sorry they murdered the wrong civilians and now they’re getting attention for it because the victims were white and Western

+1

they apologize because they realize this is very very bad propaganda regarding their relations with their allies in the west


have they apologized also for luring thousands of palestinians to Rafah before commiting genocide on that region? Nope no apology yet for that death trap they created, they told the palestinians to flee gaza to the south, that's exactly what the palestinian citizens did, head to Rafah, waiting for help, aid to arrive and what happened, they got murdered in cold blood, defenseless citizens

[Nicky91]

also calling it an ''incident''

and just because they're ''sorry'' doesn't make the pain of the victims relatives go away, or doesn't bring back their loved ones, with a simple sorry




-------------
meanwhile, an actual good man in Israel is their president Herzog :love: one who also is aware what a complete ****head and moron Netanyahu is


he met up with Israel's eurovision entry Eden Golan yesterday

https://i.imgur.com/46DydZp.jpeg

one also responsible for telling the broadcaster KAN to give in to the EBU's terms, re: changing some of the song lyrics, message



one israeli who i do support, their current president and if this apology was coming from him i do believe it to be genuine i think, as he and Netanyahu never really get along quite well regarding political views

[Liam-]

But it was a Drone Bomber
that has an error.

Some military person hit the wrong key.


An Investigation should find out who went wrong.

I’ve got a lovely chocolate teapot I’m sure you’d be interested in purchasing

[arista]

I’ve got a lovely chocolate teapot I’m sure you’d be interested in purchasing

No.

But this was a Drone Bomber

A Military staff member made an error.



The Report will come out soon.
It can go Front Page.

[Liam-]

Yeah sure, they accidentally fired 3 different bombs at 3 different cars carrying people intending to help the people they’re murdering, total complete accident

[arista]

Yeah sure, they accidentally fired 3 different bombs at 3 different cars carrying people intending to help the people they’re murdering, total complete accident


No Drone Operator Error.

[Beso]

No, its a war against evil bloodthirsty terrorists that must be eradicated

That's probably why they target children as well then..

[arista]

"Oh. That's okay then."

No
it is tragic.

Military Bomber Drones
controlled partly by the fingers of a Military person
have had errors, before.

[Oliver_W]

No, its a war against evil bloodthirsty terrorists that must be eradicated

That's probably why they target children as well then..

It's a case of two things being true at once.

Hamas are terrorists who must be eliminated ... and the Israeli forces are being too heavy-handed.

[user104658]

Surely by this point we understand that you can't eliminate terrorism by "killing them all" - it's such a fundamental misunderstanding of what terrorism is and how it propagates.

[Oliver_W]

Surely by this point we understand that you can't eliminate terrorism by "killing them all" - it's such a fundamental misunderstanding of what terrorism is and how it propagates.

I don't think anyone believes that eliminating Hamas would eliminate their mindset, but a free Palestine needs to be free of Hamas.

[arista]

I don't think anyone believes that eliminating Hamas would eliminate their mindset, but a free Palestine needs to be free of Hamas.


Yes, of course.


But Hamas maintains every Jew must die.


So Every Hamas can be arrested
or die in a gunfight.
Even if it takes years.

[Oliver_W]

Yes, of course.


But Hamas maintains every Jew must die.

And they got voted in for that. Which demonstrates what TS said about their views not dying with them.

Doesn't mean all Palestinians should be tarred with that brush, obvs.

[arista]

And they got voted in for that. Which demonstrates what TS said about their views not dying with them.

Doesn't mean all Palestinians should be tarred with that brush, obvs.


Sure back many years ago
you should put the year. 2007


But Hamas has changed
into Full Terrorists.
And now they demand every Jew must die.

Over 1,000 were Murdered by Evil Hamas on Oct7th. 2023

[arista]

Typical of the Labour Party
they want to stop selling arms to Israel.

Folks in the UK losing their jobs.

[joeysteele]

Typical of the Labour Party
they want to stop selling arms to Israel.

Folks in the UK losing their jobs.

There's other Parties calling for that too.
It's just been said on the news Labour HAS NOT yet gone that far.

However the LibDems and SNP certainly have.

There's rules on supplying arms to Nations.
I think there'll be more than a few Parties calling for it now.
The families AND friends of the murdered aid workers for starters

[arista]

There's other Parties calling for that too.
It's just been said on the news Labour HAS NOT yet gone that far.

However the LibDems and SNP certainly have.

There's rules on supplying arms to Nations.
I think there'll be more than a few Parties calling for it now.
The families AND friends of the murdered aid workers for starters

Sure Joey.

Fair Points you make

[Oliver_W]

Fair Points you make

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2017/12/yoda-the-empire-strikes-back-28a7558.jpg?resize=800%2C419

[Alf]

Trump 2024 or World War 3.

That's the choice this year

Choose your side wisely.

It doesn't matter really, because the Donald has already won.

[Alf]

We told you that Trump's enemies were nothing but war criminals.

Fancy siding with them? What was you thinking?

[Alf]

Did you learn nothing from Vietnam. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan. Syria, Iraq, Lebonan ect ect ect...

Now you have Ukraine and this Palestine nonsense.

[Alf]

They're coming for us eventually.

Well that's their plan.

But some Orange man has got in their way.

[Alf]

But he did say "grab her by the pussy" and let's face it, saying that is much worse than starting wars in countries and killing millions of innocent citizens, or at least that's what many believe. Are you one of those?

[Alf]

If you call me a conspiracy theorist, it will all disappear and everything will be OK.

[Alf]

Don't forget to use the other buzz words and phrases.

"Right-wing talking points"
"Bigot"

Then it will definitely all turn out for the best.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't forget to use the other buzz words and phrases.

"Right-wing talking points"
"Bigot"

Then it will definitely all turn out for the best.

Alf please don't forget Genocide

:nono:

[The Slim Reaper]

But he did say "grab her by the pussy" and let's face it, saying that is much worse than starting wars in countries and killing millions of innocent citizens, or at least that's what many believe. Are you one of those?

Yer mans is best buddies with Putin and Bibi, though, who are in the process of killing millions of civilians.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-39d7598f-89d7-4a51-b103-c2b5cca48749.png

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/04/02/83218561-0-image-a-23_1712193672942.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13270103/UK-risks-breaching-international-law-weapons-Israel-lawyers-warn.html

[Britain could be breaking international
law by arming Israel, Sunak is warned:
Three ex-Supreme Court judges are
among 600 legal experts warning UK
over 'catastrophic' Gaza situation after '
out of control' IDF troops bombed aid convoy]

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b646c12d-cd5c-45b4-98b5-039186ce0d90.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F38B/production/_133074326_i_page-0001.jpg.webp

[arista]

It is getting Worse

They may blame an A.I. System.

Early reports.

[Nicky91]

Yer mans is best buddies with Putin and Bibi, though, who are in the process of killing millions of civilians.

once Israel is done with Hamas, Bibi is also gone honestly


as opposition leader Benny Gantz wants new elections in September

[Nicky91]

new israeli government

no more hamas in palestine


and then we're hopefully going into the right direction for better israeli-palestine and israel-arab relations in general



Netanyahu is similar evil scum as Hamas, Putin, rotten to the core, so yeah his time is long overdue up too

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1775560910968336765

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6154cd71-0d19-48fc-8880-93c10a5e21b9.png

[arista]

It is getting Worse

They may blame an A.I. System.

Early reports.


The System used is "Lavender" A.I.
controlling the drone bombers.

Ref : Ch4HDnews., last night.


[Israeli army used controversial 'Lavender'
AI system to create 'kill list' of Palestinian
militants and bomb 37,000 targets, report claims
Six Israeli intel officials said AI was used to
authorize air strikes on Gaza homes
The officials said Lavender AI has a
10% error rate, according to +972 magazine
An intel source on death toll:
'The machine did it coldly.
And that made it easier.'

Meanwhile
The Pentagon plans to keep killer
AI robots from going rogue]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13272487/israeli-army-lavender-ai-palestinian-militants.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/04/16/83243665-13272487-image-a-47_1712245992949.jpg

'Lavender'
AI system is Evil.

[bots]

if it takes out the terrorist leaders, what's evil about it?

[arista]

Owen Jones on SkyNewsHD World News Hour
last night.

5mins intense debate with Hen Mazzig, of Israel, an Author.

https://twitter.com/JamesHeartfield/status/1776031441450623212

[arista]

if it takes out the terrorist leaders, what's evil about it?


Because it took out Cooks
helping people.

That is why the system they use is Evil.

No terrorists were near that road


A.I. System
can be Evil.

[Liam-]

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

[Nicky91]

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

no.1 priority is getting rid of Hamas


once Hamas is gone, we can talk about sanctions against Netanyahu if they should jail him or not, and if so, how long the sentence should be

[Oliver_W]

no.1 priority is getting rid of Hamas


In that case, just carpet-bomb every inch where Hamas operatives are suspected of being, right?

Sure, some civilians and pesky aid workers might get killed. But as long as Hamas get got...

[Crimson Dynamo]

In that case, just carpet-bomb every inch where Hamas operatives are suspected of being, right?

Sure, some civilians and pesky aid workers might get killed. But as long as Hamas get got...

It worked for the allies in the last World War so...

[Oliver_W]

It worked for the allies in the last World War so...

I do see your point there, but this isn't a World War yet.

Though comparing Hamas to the Nazis is far from unfair.

[joeysteele]

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

That's a very strong statement and I agree with it totally.

I cannot now support Israel.
Listening to the parents of the Aid worker Jacob this morning was heartbreaking.
I'm ashamed now of my more support stance of Israel..

Those 2 lines from yourself are extremely strong and highly appropriate.

[user104658]

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

Imagine if every time police knew that a murderer was hiding somewhere in a village... they just napalmed the whole village.

You'd have people on here saying "Well, there was a murderer in there, and they got him so... it was his fault for hiding in that innocent village".

Oh wait. No you wouldn't. And isn't that just the whole point...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine if every time police knew that a murderer was hiding somewhere in a village... they just napalmed the whole village.

You'd have people on here saying "Well, there was a murderer in there, and they got him so... it was his fault for hiding in that innocent village".

Oh wait. No you wouldn't. And isn't that just the whole point...

yes the police doing local police work is the same as a war

what a scintillating analogy

[user104658]

yes the police doing local police work is the same as a war

what a scintillating analogy

I wonder if you just outright want me to say that you wouldn't find it acceptable if the civilians were white Judeo-Christians. I thought the analogy was more subtle but you're right it's clumsy. You don't care because they're Muslims.

[edit]Actually on even brief further consideration there's nothing wrong with the first analogy - the fact that they're not the same in practical or political terms has absolutely zero bearing on the moral hyporthetical being asked - is it morally justified to endanger/kill thousands of innocent civilians if it's a trade-off for removing dangerous individuals. If the answer to one is "yes" and the other is "no" then you're basing that assessment on "some other criteria" and not whether or not the act itself is morally abhorrent.

"But it's a waaar" is a lazy and meaningless deflection.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No matter how battered, bruised and bedevilled. The state of Israel has been a .
gift to the world, a light that mustn’t be extinguished.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKbnTy-WMAAxKc1?format=jpg&name=small

[Beso]

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger. Palestinians across the world march and protest weekly, while their kin get demolished. You dont see many ukranians doing that. Perhaps a braver sort than these cowardly hamas fearing saps that wander our streets betraying their countrymen with banners.

[user104658]

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger. Palestinians across the world march and protest weekly, while their kin get demolished. You dont see many ukranians doing that. Perhaps a braver sort than these cowardly hamas fearing saps that wander our streets betraying their countrymen with banners.

Very few of the people out marching are Palestinian. What silliness.

[Beso]

Very few of the people out marching are Palestinian. What silliness.You are clueless. Go knock yourself out with someone else.

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[user104658]

You are clueless. Go knock yourself out with someone else.

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How convincing. A really stellar argument there Parmy.

[Oliver_W]

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Indians? Wouldn't Mexicans be a better comparison, i.e. a bordering country?



Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger.
Everyone knows Hamas are terrorists who see their civilians as nothing but shields. No-one's saying they're good guys.

[Beso]

How convincing. A really stellar argument there Parmy.Just because the virtual signalers have something new to signal virtually, it doesnt mean the marchers are NOT predominantly Palestinian in all the marches we've seen worldwide, which is what Isaid.

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1bb36e9b-3aa6-44c0-afd1-572b9ab99d2a.png

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ef0cf8a5-fefb-440c-84eb-1651cd999566.png

[arista]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1776898052596355116

[joeysteele]

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

[Nicky91]

another antisemitic idiot on social media

https://twitter.com/bosdovja92/status/1776634477957066894

:yuk:



some people seriously have not learned from the past :bawling:



i am sooooooooooooo making my own israeli flags for next month to wave in our living room, starting on May 4th with remembrance day with the 2 minutes of silence

[arista]

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?


Joey
it would help if
The PM & David Cameron
held a joint conference.

They can work out together what to say.


And Allow Questions.

That would stop all this over-speculation.


The Now 6 Month Gaza War

[joeysteele]

Joey
it would help if
The PM & David Cameron
held a joint conference.

They can work out together what to say.


And Allow Questions.

That would stop all this over-speculation.


The Now 6 Month Gaza War

I totally agree with every bit of that you've said there arista.

[arista]

A UK Military Ship from Cyrus is on its way
To the Port being built in Gaza

[user104658]

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

The thing is while Cameron was obviously also a big Tory arsehole, he was at least (until the Brexit error) a competent statesman. Sunak quite simply is not. He's just the latest spud in the bizarre Tory hot potato leadership saga.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great to hold a corner of a huge pro Israel flag at Ibrox today

[joeysteele]

The thing is while Cameron was obviously also a big Tory arsehole, he was at least (until the Brexit error) a competent statesman. Sunak quite simply is not. He's just the latest spud in the bizarre Tory hot potato leadership saga.

Oh absolutely.
I agree with you on all that SB.

[bots]

I think the word is gravitas. Cameron has an air of gravitas that very few politicians have these days, across the political spectrum and internationally too.

I used to moan like hell about politicians of yesteryear, but my god, the latest batch are unthinkable :laugh:

[user104658]

Great to hold a corner of a huge pro Israel flag at Ibrox today

Wow what a vivid representation of hive mind tribalism. Hold a corner, indeed :joker:. I'm going to have to adopt that phrase I think.

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1776898052596355116

I can't have sound on atm, so I hope the depressing thing is that 75% of them don't believe it?

[Nicky91]

next month will be a huge win against antisemitism, and i'm gonna have my share in that as well, with maybe around 15 to 20 votes for Israel at ESC


the jewish people have suffered for way too long already, in 40-45 by the Nazi's and also in the 70's at Munich Olympics Massacre many israeli athletes murdered by palestinians



and now this rise of antisemitism needs to stop for good

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1776898052596355116

I can't have sound on atm, so I hope the depressing thing is that 75% of them don't believe it?

Okay caught up now. Relieved that they're distressed about the right thing :laugh: I was worried they would be pearl-clutching about "how could a quarter of muslims believe such things?!" ... but that was admittedly rather unlikely :joker:


Anyway - they were surprised that second and third generation immigrants (I hate those terms - they were born here, they're British, but I suppose it's a useful term with which to refer to their demographic) were sometimes more extreme than their parents.
I'm sure I've read or heard that's not uncommon? I can't remember where, but it's a possible factoid of which I was aware.

Also they said potentially more educated muslims were more likely to believe conspiracy theories around the whole thing.
Again, that's not something that surprises me. I always thought conspiracy nuts were either basement-dwellers, or people we'd call educated.


I watched the video last night and once again can't have sound on, so sorry if I misremembered.

[bots]

what it actually means is that 75% of the muslim population in the UK are antisemitic. Let's not pussy foot around, that is the scale of the issue we have here now

[user104658]

what it actually means is that 75% of the muslim population in the UK are antisemitic. Let's not pussy foot around, that is the scale of the issue we have here now

It's simpler than that, it just shows that the majority of people are tribalistic. Nothing more, nothing less. This is not news.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hamas leader’s sons killed in Israeli airstrike

Three of Ismail Haniyeh’s family killed while visiting relatives in Gaza City


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/04/10/TELEMMGLPICT000371822928_17127619652100_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf_4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82 k.jpeg?imwidth=1000

Ismail Haniyeh’s sons Hazem, Ameer and Mohammed were killed with family
members in the strike near al-Shati refugee camp in Gaza City.

.......

IDF

[arista]

Yes LT
he wants revenge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he shoots, he misses

[arista]

Both France, India and the USA
has told all not to visit Iran or Israel


An attack by Iran is expected very soon.

[arista]

Israel has had to close all its Embassies
around the world


Even in their own nation Embassy
Road outside Blocked by Armed Military

[Beso]

Iran will never attack israel, their leaders have such a small backing, the population would oust them in months if they did, and have told israel this.

[bots]

iran will retaliate, it just wont be as people expect

[user104658]

iran will retaliate, it just wont be as people expect

They've entered Eurovision, and will be giving Israel... nil points :omgno:

[DemRed]

Real Jews... lol. You're here to tell us all what a real Jew is.

My grandmother was Jewish, which apparently makes me Jewish if I want to be! I choose not to be, and my husband, who was born into a Jewish family also chooses not to follow the Jewish faith. My farther-in-law lost (apart from his grandmother) all his relatives in the Nazi occupation and he refuses to side with Zionism in this awful conflict.
That said, I have a very good understanding of Judaism and so if I wish to pick sides between those who follow the three oaths of the Talmud and the Medrash and those that don't, then that's what I will do.

[arista]

Iran has Siezed a Ship linked to Isreal


SkyNewsHD Live


["A container ship named 'MCS Aries' was
seized by the Sepah (Guards) Navy Special Forces
by carrying out a heliborne operation,"
IRNA state news agency reported,
adding that the operation took place
"near the Strait of Hormuz" and
"this ship has now been directed towards
the territorial waters" of Iran.]

5 mins ago

[bots]

My grandmother was Jewish, which apparently makes me Jewish if I want to be! I choose not to be, and my husband, who was born into a Jewish family also chooses not to follow the Jewish faith. My farther-in-law lost (apart from his grandmother) all his relatives in the Nazi occupation and he refuses to side with Zionism in this awful conflict.
That said, I have a very good understanding of Judaism and so if I wish to pick sides between those who follow the three oaths of the Talmud and the Medrash and those that don't, then that's what I will do.

what does this even mean? I was born in to a Christian family, that doesn't and never will mean i am a follower of christ. I am in no way qualified to describe the life of a "christian" even though i am perfectly familiar with the christian faith

[arista]

[Qantas joins other airlines including Lufthansa
and its subsidiary Austrian Airlines in
redirecting flights to avoid Iranian airspace.
The move comes after Iran
blamed arch-foe Israel for a strike
in Syria this month that killed two Iranian generals,
and threatened reprisals.]

4 hours ago


Was just on LBC headlines

[arista]

Iran Military
used their Helicopter
to board that Ship.
Armed with Machine Guns
that Massive ship
is now in Iran port.

The Crew on board, hope to be sent home.


That Ship was going to India
much of the crew is from there.


Military Expert speaking Live
on SkyNewsHD

[Livia]

My grandmother was Jewish, which apparently makes me Jewish if I want to be! I choose not to be, and my husband, who was born into a Jewish family also chooses not to follow the Jewish faith. My farther-in-law lost (apart from his grandmother) all his relatives in the Nazi occupation and he refuses to side with Zionism in this awful conflict.
That said, I have a very good understanding of Judaism and so if I wish to pick sides between those who follow the three oaths of the Talmud and the Medrash and those that don't, then that's what I will do.

You think you have a very good understanding of lots of things, though your posts suggest otherwise. Your grandmother was Jewish... Interesting you don't mention that your mother was, considering it follows the female line. My grandmother survived the camps but lost her whole family but that doesn't make me more Jewish.

[bots]

iran has launched drones at israel, but they could take hours to arrive due to the distance

[UserSince2005]

lol Iran are pathetic

[UserSince2005]

Anyway Israel feel free to nuke the scum. We are all behind you.

[bots]

CPyk69APB28

[bots]

Reports that british jets are in the air to help shoot down any missiles

[bots]

sh!t, on BBC news you can see the drones being shot down live on air

[user104658]

Slight 2020 vibes I have to say.

[arista]

Trump Live is Schecksville, PA
Spoke on Iran Attacks.

He said under Trump
they would not happen

[bots]

a military base in Israel has been hit with minor damage

[arista]

a military base in Israel has been hit with minor damage


Yes some of these many
Iranian Cheaper-Made Bomber Drones
and Missiles will get through.

The Problem "they may have" is other nations
also sending in, missiles.
If that happens.

[arista]

Good on GBnewsHD
Changing the shows for a 2 Hour Live Special
with Expert Robert Fox.


This is why Talk TV
is soon to move online only
via You Tube.

[UserSince2005]

Israel should take this opportunity to blow up the mosque in jersaluem and blame it on one of irans drones hehe.

[Ninastar]

I just saw that they were protecting it actually

[MTVN]

Looks like it could have been worse in the end. Iran were always going to retaliate after the strike on their generals and now say that they consider the matter concluded, I just hope Israel shows restraint now

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/169C6/production/_133141629_1001cu-stnst-1-140424-a001c-st-1_page-0001.jpg.webp

[MTVN]

Iran gets to show off it's military capability and say that they've struck Israel

Israel get to show off their defensive capabilities and only suffer minimal damage

The US gets to show off their intelligence as it's played out just as they predicted and they are able to show solidarity with Israel

In a way everybody wins

[bots]

Iran gets to show off it's military capability and say that they've struck Israel

Israel get to show off their defensive capabilities and only suffer minimal damage

The US gets to show off their intelligence as it's played out just as they predicted and they are able to show solidarity with Israel

In a way everybody wins

it really depends, there is obvious escalation from iran, lets not forget that iran were behind the initial attack last year, so all this talk of an embassy being attacked is nonsense. It wasn't even the embassy that was attacked, it was a military building in the compound next to the embassy.

I'm not sure that Israel can leave it as is without responding

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Live in Jerusalem

Sunday Morning no trouble.

Is Israel going to return fire
at nighttime?


President Biden doing an Online
G7 meeting.
This afternoon.

[Nicky91]

why can't Israel just bomb Iran, Jordan, Palestine to tiny bits and be done with it

[Ninastar]

I feel like there could be some not so fun repercussions if they did that

[arista]

why can't Israel just bomb Iran, Jordan, Palestine to tiny bits and be done with it


USA does not want that

[arista]

I feel like there could be some not so fun repercussions if they did that

You Are Most Wise

[Liam-]

And now Israel just so happens to want the UN to do something now that somebody else has retaliated against their very obvious aggression, so transparent

[Crimson Dynamo]

British RAF jets have reportedly shot down Iranian drones bound for Israel.

Israel’s Channel 12 said that US and UK fighter jets shot down Iranian drones near the Syria-Iraq border.

It was reported that British jets took off from Cyprus

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLFGA0TXcAALAyI?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Yes LT.
And USA Bomber Planes were there as well,
from their ships.

Iran wanted to hit targets
with weapons - They failed.

[bots]

France were apparently there too, shooting down the missiles/drones

[MTVN]

it really depends, there is obvious escalation from iran, lets not forget that iran were behind the initial attack last year, so all this talk of an embassy being attacked is nonsense. It wasn't even the embassy that was attacked, it was a military building in the compound next to the embassy.

I'm not sure that Israel can leave it as is without responding

Israel did directly kill some of their top generals though, it's more of a blatant attack than Iran's involvement in October 7th which at least they can deny

What should benefit hopes of de-escalation now is that none of the UN security powers want the war to expand so neither Israel nor Iran will have much support from their allies. The danger is that neither country cares about that given that they can both act erratically

[arista]

On CNN HD USA
they showed Iranians celebrating.

But no one was killed.

Iran failed

[UserSince2005]

Iran should stick to shooting down commercial airlines with there own people on board. It’s the only thing they are good at.

[bots]

Israel did directly kill some of their top generals though, it's more of a blatant attack than Iran's involvement in October 7th which at least they can deny

What should benefit hopes of de-escalation now is that none of the UN security powers want the war to expand so neither Israel nor Iran will have much support from their allies. The danger is that neither country cares about that given that they can both act erratically

i was watching the bbc news coverage (its been a while since i last watched it) and the people they had on as guests were saying things like .... now would be a good time for iran and israel to get round the table and put their differences aside :joker: The bbc has sunk even lower than i had previously thought

Neither Israel nor iran will back down from this, and the USA will back up Israel if push comes to shove. The allies have already chosen a side, the war has already escalated, they are just playing with words to pretend otherwise. This is going to come to a conclusion now, whether it takes a few days or a few weeks to escalate further

[arista]

Good CNN HD
removed all their wasted Africa programs.

And stayed Live on USA feed

[MTVN]

Hopefully Qatar can sort this all out

[bots]

Hopefully Qatar can sort this all out

yeah sure :laugh:


Sunak has now confirmed that the uK also shot down the drones/missiles

[MTVN]

Any word yet from the honourable member for Rochdale?

[bots]

Iran's foreign ministry has summoned the ambassadors of the United Kingdom, France and Germany to question the Western diplomats over what Tehran describes as their "irresponsible" stance in regards to the retaliatory strikes on Israel.

---------------------------------

Couldn't make it up :laugh:

[arista]

Israel has confirmed
they will attack Iran.

They do not have to tell America.


Ref: CNN HD USA Live on UK TV

[arista]

Hopefully Qatar can sort this all out

Sadly Not.

[arista]

USA Front Pages today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHbbObWUAAGelX?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHXCYSWQAA4Rlr?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHY6NCWwAApZP4?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHcy8fXkAAK6Yn?format=jpg&name=medium

[bots]

Israel will "exact a price" from Iran in response to its attack on the country when the time is right, war cabinet minister Benny Gantz says.

In a statement released a short while ago - just before Israel's war cabinet convened - Gantz says: "We will build a regional coalition and exact the price from Iran in the fashion and timing that is right for us.

"And most importantly, faced with the desire of our enemies to harm us, we will continue to unite and become stronger."

Separately, Gantz says he has just finished speaking with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock.

"We discussed first and foremost the imperative of forming a global united front to counter emboldened Iranian aggression directly and through its proxies - regionally and globally," Gantz says in a social media post.

[UserSince2005]

Israel has confirmed
they will attack Iran.

They do not have to tell America.


Ref: CNN HD USA Live on UK TV

Iran wanted to play and now they are shutting themselves haha. What a pathetic nation

[arista]

Biden has asked Israel,
to not retaliate.


Israel is going to Ignore that.

CNN HD USA on UK TV

[UserSince2005]

Biden has asked Israel,
to not retaliate.


Israel is going to Ignore that.

CNN HD USA on UK TV

Isreal will sort Gaza out first and then it will sort Iran out. They are very smart people surrounded by *******

[bots]

Biden has asked Israel,
to not retaliate.


Israel is going to Ignore that.

CNN HD USA on UK TV

yep, that was obvious to me. After all that's happened to Israel, they were never going to take that attack and do nothing

[bots]

Iran's state TV repeatedly aired a video of a fire in Chile today, claiming that it was footage of missiles successfully hitting targets in Israel.

The clip, run several times during the live coverage of Iran's retaliatory attack, shows a motorway in the foreground while a huge fire turns the night sky red.

A woman can be heard speaking in Spanish while another subs.

The video was one of several clips to show Iranian missiles and drones successfully pass through Israel's air defence "minutes ago" and strike pre-designated targets, state TV reported.

But the footage is neither recent nor related to Iran's retaliatory attack against Israel.

[Liam-]

Israel bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus, killed 16 people in the process and play victim when Iran obviously retaliate, they are the playground bullies and the western governments propping them up will be remembered in the history books for their complicity in their atrocities

[Nicky91]

:omgno:

yeah you just don't touch my beloved Israel honestly


Netherlands supports Israel, PM Mark Rutte has said, so bring it on Iran, commit a terror attack here if you dare :idc:

[Ninastar]

I’m sure hamas and Isis etc will take your threat very seriously

[Nicky91]

I’m sure hamas and Isis etc will take your threat very seriously

Hamas will no longer exist in few months from now and neither will ISIL lol


and nothing the pro-palestine morons throughout europe can do about it

was quite a flop protest here in amsterdam last night in front of the eurovision in concert venue

40 protesters against thousands of concert-goers lmao

[arista]

Could be later tonight,
in the Dark
Israel will Bomb Iran.

[arista]

Iran has stated if Israel attacks them,
Iran will hit much harder on Israel.


Sign Of The Times.


Ref: Ch4HDnews.

[joeysteele]

Very worrying times.

[bots]

i think this was iran's plan from the start, they want a regional conflict and there is such hatred in the region that it takes very little to light the fuse.

It's not even just the fact that there will likely be a regional war, the effect on the global economy will be absolutely massive, so countries that don't want to get involved will be dragged in across the globe. Honestly, i think it's inevitable or as close to inevitable as it could possibly be

Just to add, when America were attacked on home soil, they didn't hesitate to exact revenge, so Biden saying don't retaliate is laughable

[arista]

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https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C55D/production/_133152505_mail-nc.png.webp

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2f2f1100-9a0e-4d9c-8ea5-45c0ec532542.png

[Maru]

i think this was iran's plan from the start, they want a regional conflict and there is such hatred in the region that it takes very little to light the fuse.

It's not even just the fact that there will likely be a regional war, the effect on the global economy will be absolutely massive, so countries that don't want to get involved will be dragged in across the globe. Honestly, i think it's inevitable or as close to inevitable as it could possibly be

Just to add, when America were attacked on home soil, they didn't hesitate to exact revenge, so Biden saying don't retaliate is laughable
Yep.

I'd expect it from my govt. I imagine the Israel people are much the same. Nobody wants war at the end of the day, but when is the line drawn? They are being attacked by both terrorists and now Iran, an actual country. Israel has a right to self-defense and they would be in the wrong to do nothing for their people.

[Ninastar]

Yep.

I'd expect it from my govt. I imagine the Israel people are much the same. Nobody wants war at the end of the day, but when is the line drawn? They are being attacked by both terrorists and now Iran, an actual country. Israel has a right to self-defense and they would be in the wrong to do nothing for their people.

Agreed!

[Liam-]

If they didn’t want Iran to retaliate they shouldn’t have bombed their embassy and killed their people, Israel are dropping bombs on multiple countries around them on a daily basis, they are not the victims no matter how hard they and the western media try to make them look like they are

[user104658]

"The victims" as always here isn't really something you can pin down (other than to say that any civilian life on any side caught in the crossfire is a victim) - the political situation in the Middle East has been a thunderdome for longer than living memory. It's very, very complex and has always been somewhat held together with duck tape and crazy glue.

But people be people and they like their heroes and villains, goodies and baddies... black and white... so to speak. Pointing out political complexity is seen as "fence sitting" - you have to pretend that everything is simple, neat and tied up with a pretty little ribbon, one way or the other, even though it doesn't and never will reflect the reality.

[thesheriff443]

You have to fight for peace

[bots]

"The victims" as always here isn't really something you can pin down (other than to say that any civilian life on any side caught in the crossfire is a victim) - the political situation in the Middle East has been a thunderdome for longer than living memory. It's very, very complex and has always been somewhat held together with duck tape and crazy glue.

But people be people and they like their heroes and villains, goodies and baddies... black and white... so to speak. Pointing out political complexity is seen as "fence sitting" - you have to pretend that everything is simple, neat and tied up with a pretty little ribbon, one way or the other, even though it doesn't and never will reflect the reality.

sometimes there is inevitability. This has been brewing for decades. In all my years, it's never been more on the brink than it is now.

It's all very well as an outsider saying cool heads must prevail. That's just not how humans behave, and like i said earlier, the USA were spoiling for a fight when they were attacked - think pearl harbour and the twin towers. No cool heads were on display there :laugh:

Oh and an observation in passing ..... have we ever had a more insincere PM than Sunak. It's obvious he doesn't give a crap about Israel. He is just parroting words

[user104658]

have we ever had a more insincere PM than Sunak. It's obvious he doesn't give a crap about Israel. He is just parroting words

IMO it's fairly obvious that he doesn't give a crap about anything but $$$ and the financial sector. Everything he does enthusiastically is in some way geared towards neoliberal economics, and as you say, everything else sounds like lip service that's been written by someone else and handed to him on a napkin.

[arista]

Israel has the right to
Fire Missiles at Iran.

Iran has crossed the red line.

They confirmed that in the United Nations.

[Ninastar]

Neither side is the victim and sadly that means a lot of innocents on both sides will end up dead because of what’s going on. I do not and have not ever supported bombing. I think it’s better for soldiers to be there in person so they can scope out the bad ones and help rescue and restore the innocents

[arista]

Prime Minister Sunak
is going Live in Parliament around 3:30PM

Speaking about the RAF,
who flew from Cyprus,
playing their part.

[arista]

PM SUNAK


Now Live all Media

[arista]

George Galloway MP
had words against Sunak,

He said why did the Prime Minister not mention
the Israel attack in Syria on the Iranian Generals.



The PM
said why did he not mention the Iran attack on Israel..............

[arista]

Bossy young Labour MP Zuma Sultana
demanded a yes or no answer from Sunak.

Sunak gave her a long reply.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLLMkEjWwAAFg4P?format=jpg&name=900x900

[joeysteele]

George Galloway MP
had words against Sunak,

He said why did the Prime Minister not mention
the Israel attack in Syria on the Iranian Generals.



The PM
said why did he not mention the Iran attack on Israel..............

One time I'd think about applauding Sunak.

[Beso]

If they didn’t want Iran to retaliate they shouldn’t have bombed their embassy and killed their people, Israel are dropping bombs on multiple countries around them on a daily basis, they are not the victims no matter how hard they and the western media try to make them look like they are

Of course, the raping and slaughtering of those lucky enough not to be taken hostage by hamas terrorists means diddly squat to you in regards to the bigger picture.

[arista]

USA: Anti-Israel Protests have shut down the Golden Gate Bridge.


Even Fire Crews are there
as well as Police.


Ref: CNN HD USA Live

[Alf]

1779935497936130053Why aren't Police arresting them, this tweeter asks?

If you or I were to stop traffic in protest of our taxes being way to high. We both know that we'd be immediately removed. Right?

This is all organised crime.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-53193b50-d416-47bc-9e71-b776424e9a32.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2d3a049f-7c46-49a4-ac44-44585b46db76.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f5e48746-bc50-43a9-b5d9-dbad112fd072.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-039d31cb-cec2-4870-add4-860caefe2aae.png


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-334ff972-9035-4a3f-89c2-e52eef3465c3.png

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLQOIGvXoAEXDW8?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLQOIGvXoAEXDW8?format=jpg&name=small

I doubt anyone in South America, China, India or Pakistan gives a rats arse about the middle east

[bots]

they will when their economies nose dive

[Crimson Dynamo]

they will when their economies nose dive

lol

in all of the countries I mentioned not a single one gives a flying feck about the countries "economy"

they are hardly living in a 4 bed detached driving a Tesla and wondering about what to barbeque this weekend

[MTVN]

I doubt anyone in South America, China, India or Pakistan gives a rats arse about the middle east

Well it's pretty relevant to Pakistan, they border Iran

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well it's pretty relevant to Pakistan, they border Iran

Why

[bots]

lol

in all of the countries I mentioned not a single one gives a flying feck about the countries "economy"

they are hardly living in a 4 bed detached driving a Tesla and wondering about what to barbeque this weekend

an economy crash affects the poor countries as much as the wealthy, arguably more so

[Crimson Dynamo]

an economy crash affects the poor countries as much as the wealthy, arguably more so

If you have the square root of feck all

I don't think so

[user104658]

If you have the square root of feck all

I don't think so

There's nothing and then there's NOTHING... an economic crash in the UK means people eating less well, maybe the worst off having to skip some meals entirely. An economic crash in a country with already high levels of absolute poverty might mean full-on famine.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Rishi Sunak's warning
to Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu
as the situation in the Middle East continues
to worsen.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-cd01bfb4-78c8-4d94-aab1-2afafe87bd62.png

[bots]

the response must be coming soon and my feeling is it will be just as big if not bigger that what iran fired at them

[arista]

Iran has a Special Secret Missile
if they are attacked.

Ref: WION HD Gravitas Pt.1

[bots]

Iran has a Special Secret Missile
if they are attacked.

Ref: WION HD Gravitas Pt.1

Iran doesn't have bigger bombs than israel, and if iran were to target and hit israel with something big, it would be regional war

[The Slim Reaper]

Israels dad is bigger than irans dad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israels dad is bigger than irans dad.

Is that Ben Cohen's dad?

[The Slim Reaper]

Is that Ben Cohen's dad?

You're such a plum as that was what was being reported. You'll notice I didn't use a Jewish man committing a terror attack to spend 4 pages being racist about all Jews. Food for thought :blush:

[arista]

Iran doesn't have bigger bombs than Israel, and if Iran were to target and hit Israel with something big, it would be regional war


Yes, it has become
more than tit for tat.


Israel is not informing the USA
until they start Bombing parts of Iran.


So I assume it will be done in darkness
as that's what Iran did,

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6f67d4b1-733c-4eec-b575-1676dc0fd0d3.jpeg

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're such a plum as that was what was being reported. You'll notice I didn't use a Jewish man committing a terror attack to spend 4 pages being racist about all Jews. Food for thought :blush:

amazed you came back after that:shocked:

many would not have

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're such a plum as that was what was being reported. You'll notice I didn't use a Jewish man committing a terror attack to spend 4 pages being racist about all Jews. Food for thought :blush:

amazed you came back after that:shocked:

many would not have

#brassneck

[user104658]

amazed you came back after that:shocked:

many would not have

#brassneck

I draw the line at someone pretending that one needs anything resembling any sort of decorum to be a member of TiBB. I mean it's never been great but in 2024 it's dominated by a small handful of the literal saddest old bastards I've ever encountered. And I spent 9 years in a bookmakers.

[bots]

Israel has attacked Iran

[LaLaLand]

Israel has attacked Iran

Just saw the reports on Twitter.

Oh God. Just when you think it couldn't get any worse...