Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

[bots]

Just saw the reports on Twitter.

Oh God. Just when you think it couldn't get any worse...

i think it was a limited strike on a drone factory

[arista]

Israel has attacked Iran


Yes attacking Isfahan

Using Bomber drones

[bots]

i think this was quite clever by Israel. It's a very limited attack, and if Iran now escalate, they will be seen in the wrong

[arista]

BBC

[5:03AM
What we know so far

It's nearly two hours since we first heard reports
of explosions in Iran. Here's what we know so far:

Two US officials have confirmed to the
BBC's US partner CBS News that an Israeli
missile has struck Iran

Early Friday morning, explosions
were heard around the central city of Isfahan, Iranian
media reported, saying three drones were
destroyed after the country's air defence systems
were activated

Isfahan is home to an Iranian air base
and the province has several military sites.
There are no reports so far that anything
was hit and Iranian media says all nuclear
facilities are safe

Meanwhile, several flights have been
diverted around Iran's airspace,
tracking sites show
Israel's military and the Pentagon
have both declined to comment so far]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68830092

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/19/89f72d2b-e893-444a-b358-7c69c8f705d2.jpg

Early Daylight now there


[Iran's state broadcaster IRIB
is downplaying the reports of an attack.

It has posted a video on
Telegram showing one of its reporters standing
on the top of a building
in the centre of the city of Isfahan.

"The city is safe and sound, people are
living their normal lives," he says.

"A couple of hours ago sounds were
heard in the skies. From what we know,
multiple mini drones were flying
in the skies of Isfahan when they were
targeted.]


Taken from the same BBC Link

[Oliver_W]

i think it was a limited strike on a drone factory

That's fair.

[Nicky91]

so Israel are capable of handing out precision attacks after all then, good work at that drone factory (which in turn is also bad news for Putin and his Evil Russia since they also rely on iranian made drones in their war against Ukraine)



Iran in general, well not everyone are bad people there, just that deluded regime of theirs whom are the biggest danger for the entire middle east basically (same how Netanyahu needs to be going soon either, Benny Gantz would be a good replacement prime minister i think, also one who can potentially have better relations with president Herzog)


stay safe Ali Daei amid this conflict chaos wherever you are, Daei whom was assaulted too few years ago for allegedly voting for the current government which he denies but in fact that he voted for the opposition party, he got beaten up quite badly too, so yeah that iranian regime has to go, causes way too much unrest in the whole country

[user104658]

There's something so bleak yet utterly banal about Israel "cleverly" choosing strategic surgical strike against a country that has a fairly large military after 6 months of insisting that they had no choice but to, against a country with essentially no real military defenses whatsoever, reduce their schools and hospitals to dust and rubble.

[Oliver_W]

There's something so bleak yet utterly banal about Israel "cleverly" choosing strategic surgical strike against a country that has a fairly large military after 6 months of insisting that they had no choice but to, against a country with essentially no real military defenses whatsoever, reduce their schools and hospitals to dust and rubble.

Yeah one might think human shields were being used or something.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Man threatened with arrest in London....for being Jewish


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13326969/Campaign-Against-Antisemitism-Gideon-Falter-threatened-arrest-Jewish-pro-Palestine-march-London.html

[user104658]

Yeah one might think human shields were being used or something.

Yes but again if we're using the human shield analogy, we have to point out that police don't shoot kids through the chest to hit the kidnapper hiding behind them. It's not a good justification for taking the action, either in actual practice or in allegory.

The reaction to knowing there are terrorists in a hospital or school full of innocent people should be "Damn it, we bloody know they're in there but we'll have to find another way to get at them..." ... not "Oh well, bombs away!". :umm2:.

[bots]

this is just a small break, there will be escalation in the coming days and weeks. There is no coming back from what happened last October. While all the sympathy is directed toward the palestinian people, lets not forget that hamas are continuing to refuse to let any of the hostages go which would be the obvious route to de-escalation

[Livia]

Man threatened with arrest in London....for being Jewish


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13326969/Campaign-Against-Antisemitism-Gideon-Falter-threatened-arrest-Jewish-pro-Palestine-march-London.html

As unbelievable as a Met officer telling a Jewish woman that she she needs to understand the context of a swastika.

[bots]

From BBC:

But the question is, was this really Israel’s expected retaliation? Western officials I talked to believe it was not. They tell me it is only a “trap” to “test the waters.”

[Oliver_W]

Yes but again if we're using the human shield analogy, we have to point out that police don't shoot kids through the chest to hit the kidnapper hiding behind them. It's not a good justification for taking the action, either in actual practice or in allegory.

The reaction to knowing there are terrorists in a hospital or school full of innocent people should be "Damn it, we bloody know they're in there but we'll have to find another way to get at them..." ... not "Oh well, bombs away!". :umm2:.

Depends if they were functional schools or hospitals, or if Hamas occupied the whole building.

(That would be pushing the definition of "human shield", but still)

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLguZudWoAAfqIa?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

victim blaming from Khans LOndon POlice

shocking but expected

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLiYkV4W0AEtnxf?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

Another London March tomorrow

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another London March tomorrow

water canon them

[Zizu]

water canon them


Maybe stale urine


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[arista]

water canon them


Shame
we do not have that.

[Livia]

The Jewish man who was stopped for being "openly Jewish" in London wasn't filming himself until he was stopped. The statement from the assistant commissioner only serves to empower the protesters and blame Jews for being Jewish on the street of their home city.

[bots]

The Jewish man who was stopped for being "openly Jewish" in London wasn't filming himself until he was stopped. The statement from the assistant commissioner only serves to empower the protesters and blame Jews for being Jewish on the street of their home city.

they have had to issue a further apology after messing up their first one. People keep saying there are no "no go zones" for jewish people, but this all proves the exact opposite

[arista]

The Jewish man who was stopped for being "openly Jewish" in London wasn't filming himself until he was stopped. The statement from the assistant commissioner only serves to empower the protesters and blame Jews for being Jewish on the street of their home city.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/107AC/production/_133200576_telegraph-nc.jpg.webp

[arista]

Gideon was on GMBHD itv in the studio,
next Saturday he will walk with a lot of friends
at the same time of the march.

He says they will be walking
not marching.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1782307083720806687

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1782307083720806687

I think a bigger breach of the peace might be the endless bloody "protests" tbh.

[user104658]

I think a bigger breach of the peace might be the endless bloody "protests" tbh.

It's a pain in the arse but rebranding political protest (even protest of dubious matters) as breach of the peace is a very, very slippery slope that plenty of societies have gone down several times throughout both modern and ancient history. The overall results tend not to be great.

[bots]

the police should be there to ensure any protest is peaceful or arrest the culprits. No protestor should be allowed to intimidate the general public.

They could also stop the protests happening every blinking weekend

[Crimson Dynamo]

Asking Palestine/Pro-Hamas protestors what "From The River To The Sea" means... :facepalm:


https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1781938121078096152

[Oliver_W]

It's a pain in the arse but rebranding political protest (even protest of dubious matters) as breach of the peace is a very, very slippery slope that plenty of societies have gone down several times throughout both modern and ancient history. The overall results tend not to be great.

Tbh while I was just being facetious (as you probably knew) I agree it's probably not the best thing to apply such terms to (currently) nonviolent protests.

[user104658]

Asking Palestine/Pro-Hamas protestors what "From The River To The Sea" means... :facepalm:


https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1781938121078096152

I mean this is being painted as unusual but it really isn't - how many Union Jack shaggers do you think have any real clue about the history of the United Kingdom, the Monarchy, etc? I'd going to hazard a guess at "almost none". That's not a dig at Britain either it's the same pretty much anywhere... the ignorance about the actual history of the US in the US is shocking and yet they do love parading the stars and stripes around.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean this is being painted as unusual but it really isn't - how many Union Jack shaggers do you think have any real clue about the history of the United Kingdom, the Monarchy, etc? I'd going to hazard a guess at "almost none". That's not a dig at Britain either it's the same pretty much anywhere... the ignorance about the actual history of the US in the US is shocking and yet they do love parading the stars and stripes around.

One guy regularly goes on the street in the USA and targets 18-24's

"What country is the Panama Canal in?"

This one young black girls was like "bro, a have no clue" and he was like "come on clue is I'm the name have a guess"

I swear she thought about it for a few seconds and said "Japanese?"

He just said "yes" and she was loving it

:joker:

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BC98/production/_133208284_mail-nc_page-0001.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D3A4/production/_133208145_ft-nc_page-0001.jpg.webp

[DemRed]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1782307083720806687

Well, it all comes out in the wash in the end!
This guy is a known antagonist to the police and now he's got egg on his face.
Falter is the chief executive of the 'Campaign Against Antisemitism' and goes to many of these protests, always walking in the opposite direction with video camera in hand.
He took that video home and heavily edited it. Fortunately the police also had the full original video!

MSM won't report the full story
because they there small naive audience will go off and research this and will therefore, continue to believe these peaceful protestors aren't supporting the 34 thousand deaths in Palestine (half of them children) but Hamas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, it all comes out in the wash in the end!
This guy is a known antagonist to the police and now he's got egg on his face.
Falter is the chief executive of the 'Campaign Against Antisemitism' and goes to many of these protests, always walking in the opposite direction with video camera in hand.
He took that video home and heavily edited it. Fortunately the police also had the full original video!

MSM won't report the full story
because they there small naive audience will go off and research this and will therefore, continue to believe these peaceful protestors aren't supporting the 34 thousand deaths in Palestine (half of them children) but Hamas.

:joker:

[arista]

Well, it all comes out in the wash in the end!
This guy is a known antagonist to the police and now he's got egg on his face.
Falter is the chief executive of the 'Campaign Against Antisemitism' and goes to many of these protests, always walking in the opposite direction with video camera in hand.
He took that video home and heavily edited it. Fortunately the police also had the full original video!

MSM won't report the full story
because they there small naive audience will go off and research this and will therefore, continue to believe these peaceful protestors aren't supporting the 34 thousand deaths in Palestine (half of them children) but Hamas.


Yes, SkyNewsHD has the longer video.
Falter went on there and Jamal of the Pro Palestine March
was on a screen.
Their debate ended as they could
not talk together well.

[DemRed]

Yes, SkyNewsHD has the longer video.
Falter went on there and Jamal of the Pro Palestine March
was on a screen.
Their debate ended as they could
not talk together well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGX5y1rsEwE&t=220s Funny thing is, he was aided by Mossad bouncers!

[arista]

HAMAS has put out a 2nd video
of Hostages.

They are showing more still alive.

Ref: Ch4HDnews

[Crimson Dynamo]

Campaign Against Antisemitism

“There are conflicting stories about that. There are some academics saying
that there is absolutely no evidence that any sexual assaults took place.”


Hamas atrocity-denial has now come to @LBC
.

Well done to this caller for calling out this abhorrent misinformation by a major broadcaster.

We will be writing to @Ofcom

https://assets.lbc.co.uk/2020/48/natasha-devon-1606744033-editorial-long-form-0.jpg

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1784613453379846599

[Nicky91]

HAMAS has put out a 2nd video
of Hostages.

They are showing more still alive.

Ref: Ch4HDnews

the only thing what you will see of those hostages, and no way they ever gonna get released


main priority is destroying Hamas and flattening Gaza

[Maru]

One guy regularly goes on the street in the USA and targets 18-24's

"What country is the Panama Canal in?"

This one young black girls was like "bro, a have no clue" and he was like "come on clue is I'm the name have a guess"

I swear she thought about it for a few seconds and said "Japanese?"

He just said "yes" and she was loving it

:joker:
:spin:

[DemRed]

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1770945312686830076?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1770945312686830076%7Ctwgr% 5E2f8c5edfc07a3dffd462ec660420e1a09aa796a5%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Falex-jones-israel-mass-genocide-hamas-x-twitter-1882276

[Crimson Dynamo]

Alex Jones?

Wow

[Zizu]

Alex Jones?

Wow


What has happened !?!?


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[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

It was never about the hostages, Israel wants to wipe Palestinians out of existence to take their land and their homes for themselves, they obviously haven’t slaughtered enough children to be satisfied yet

[DemRed]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

It was never about the hostages, Israel wants to wipe Palestinians out of existence to take their land and their homes for themselves, they obviously haven’t slaughtered enough children to be satisfied yet

I agree. The mass protests going on in Israel atm, is all about getting rid of Netanyahu and his cohorts. Relatives of the hostages are being targeted with water cannons and skunk spray.

[arista]

Al Jazeera Office in Isreal
has been Closed down
by the Police.

They have been removed
on Security grounds

SkyNewsHD

[arista]

["Al Jazeera reporters harmed Israel's security
and incited against soldiers," Mr Netanyahu said.
"It's time to remove the Hamas
mouthpiece from our country."
The channel called the claims a
"dangerous and ridiculous lie"
that threatens its reporters' safety
and said it would pursue
"every legal step".

"The background of this (shutdown) decision
is not professional or journalistic... it's political,"
said Waleed Omari, bureau chief of Al Jazeera
in Israel and the Palestinian territories.]

https://news.sky.com/story/israels-benjamin-netanyahu-rejects-ceasefire-deal-that-would-leave-hamas-intact-13129727

[arista]

At least
no more Al Jazeera Journalists
will die from being shot by the IDF


Also any Content Provider
that shows it in Israel
will be finned


The Al Jazeera TV channel [has been] completely banned

[Nicky91]

At least
no more Al Jazeera Journalists
will die from being shot by the IDF


Also any Content Provider
that shows it in Israel
will be finned


The Al Jazeera TV channel [has been] completely banned

ban everything muslim related please


and as if the IDF fires at innocents, they do never :nono: jewish people have suffered enough in WW2 so we shouldn't see them as the villains


Palestine however are a privileged luxury state :fan: who do not know what suffering is

[DemRed]

ban everything muslim related please


and as if the IDF fires at innocents, they do never :nono: jewish people have suffered enough in WW2 so we shouldn't see them as the villains


Palestine however are a privileged luxury state :fan: who do not know what suffering is

Wow! imagine if we said 'ban everything Jewish' you'd be called a racist.

[joeysteele]

Wow! imagine if we said 'ban everything Jewish' you'd be called a racist.

It's frightening DemRed.
Someone would be called that or anti-Semitic Just for saying it about Netanyahu and his vile government he has in place with him.

This WAS supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas.
Not a war against ordinary Palestinian civilians, mothers, children and babies.
As has turned out to be more what seems to be being reported as occurring.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's frightening DemRed.
Someone would be called that or anti-Semitic Just for saying it about Netanyahu and his vile government he has in place with him.

This WAS supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas.
Not a war against ordinary Palestinian civilians, mothers, children and babies.
As has turned out to be more what seems to be being reported as occurring.

perhaps if Hamas did not hide behind civilians, mothers, children and babies.

you would have your wish

:facepalm:

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;11447415]perhaps if Hamas did not hide behind civilians, mothers, children and babies.

you would have your wish

:facepalm:[/QUOTE


.. and that's the Palestinian civilian mothers, children's and babies fault is it.
So their lives don't matter, just wipe them all out?.

Nah, I'd never support that or want to be seen to either.
No way.

[DemRed]

perhaps if Hamas did not hide behind civilians, mothers, children and babies.

you would have your wish

:facepalm:

If you had Telegram, you could see plenty of footage of Palestinian detainees being made to walk in front of tanks or soldiers who intend to raid homes.

[DemRed]

It's frightening DemRed.
Someone would be called that or anti-Semitic Just for saying it about Netanyahu and his vile government he has in place with him.

This WAS supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas.
Not a war against ordinary Palestinian civilians, mothers, children and babies.
As has turned out to be more what seems to be being reported as occurring.

Its not even a war Joey. you can't have a war on an occupied country and Gaza is occupied by Israel.
Yes, Hamas did that awful attack and they deserve to be punished but when you see, so many innocent dead babies/children and starving diseased people, mass graves of hospital patients including doctors. Women walking down the street and being shot dead. Men being arrested, made to strip naked before disappearing without trace; then you need to question your morals if you believe this is okay.


I have to remind myself, that when someone makes really nasty comments, its because they have either sold their soul to the devil or they haven't much of a clue about what's really going on.

[joeysteele]

Its not even a war Joey. you can't have a war on an occupied country and Gaza is occupied by Israel.
Yes, Hamas did that awful attack and they deserve to be punished but when you see, so many innocent dead babies/children and starving diseased people, mass graves of hospital patients including doctors. Women walking down the street and being shot dead. Men being arrested, made to strip naked before disappearing without trace; then you need to question your morals if you believe this is okay.


I have to remind myself, that when someone makes really nasty comments, its because they have either sold their soul to the devil or they haven't much of a clue about what's really going on.


I'd add in to that the international aid workers who were murdered too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Antisemites get confronted whilst ripping down posters of kidnapped Israelis.

When challenged one of the women says “I don’t give a ******” before sticking
her middle fingers up and yelling “White supremacist.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1787214078424789457

how can anyone support this horror?

[DemRed]

Antisemites get confronted whilst ripping down posters of kidnapped Israelis.

When challenged one of the women says “I don’t give a ******” before sticking
her middle fingers up and yelling “White supremacist.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1787214078424789457

how can anyone support this horror?

Yes, well those people are evil, but that doesn't give us reason to tar them all with that brush.
What about the Israeli protesters that stand near the gates of Gaza stopping aid trucks getting through. Some of them when interviewed, say the Palestinians are animals and we need to kill them all.
Some people may misinterpret that as Jewish hate speech, when millions of Israeli Jews are very upset about what's happening in Gaza.
We need to remove the words Jew and Muslim if we are going to look at this with any sort of sanity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, well those people are evil, but that doesn't give us reason to tar them all with that brush.
What about the Israeli protesters that stand near the gates of Gaza stopping aid trucks getting through. Some of them when interviewed, say the Palestinians are animals and we need to kill them all.
Some people may misinterpret that as Jewish hate speech, when millions of Israeli Jews are very upset about what's happening in Gaza.
We need to remove the words Jew and Muslim if we are going to look at this with any sort of sanity.

what about indeed

[arista]

IDF has now dropped leaflets
on the Rafah zone
all must now leave.

[The Israeli military says it is
"encouraging" people in the
southern Gaza city of Rafah
to move towards an expanded
humanitarian zone
It comes ahead of an expected offensive
on the city, where more than
1.4 million people are sheltering
The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) says
it is a "limited scope" operation
and not a wide-scale evacuation
of eastern Rafah which will affect
100,000 people]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68963839

[Oliver_W]

Wow! imagine if we said 'ban everything Jewish' you'd be called a racist.

It's frightening DemRed.
Someone would be called that or anti-Semitic Just for saying it about Netanyahu and his vile government he has in place with him.

This WAS supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas.
Not a war against ordinary Palestinian civilians, mothers, children and babies.
As has turned out to be more what seems to be being reported as occurring.

I think no-one bothered calling him out is because Nicky is a bit of a crackpot, and so fickle he'll probably have the Hamas flag as his avatar by the end of the day :joker: and no-one would call that out either.

[Liam-]

So they ban Al Jazeera just before they start decimating residential areas in Rafah, it’s almost like they’re facists who are trying to stop the world from seeing them slaughter civilians for fun

[bots]

Do people really not see that they are being played like a fiddle in all of this. Do people really think that demonstrations just spontaneously broke out across the world. Do people really think it's a natural progression for protestors to blame the governments in their own countries, thousands of miles away from the conflict.

It's all being orchestrated and it's never been so obvious

[arista]

So they ban Al Jazeera just before they start decimating residential areas in Rafah, it’s almost like they’re facists who are trying to stop the world from seeing them slaughter civilians for fun


Like we Banned RT News
over security problems.

[Oliver_W]

Like we Banned RT News
over security problems.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1200,h_600,c_fill,f_jpg,q_auto:good,fl_progressi ve:steep,g_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe44bfe7 d-666d-4481-b1c9-81d2f2c1e833_735x619.jpeg

[DemRed]

I think no-one bothered calling him out is because Nicky is a bit of a crackpot, and so fickle he'll probably have the Hamas flag as his avatar by the end of the day :joker: and no-one would call that out either.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[DemRed]

So they ban Al Jazeera just before they start decimating residential areas in Rafah, it’s almost like they’re facists who are trying to stop the world from seeing them slaughter civilians for fun

The Israelis objective from day 1 was to remove the Palestinians from Gaza and the US is now taking a leading role in helping them to do that. This is a nightmare and yet, on the whole, the world has become so immune to the suffering of the Palestinians

[DemRed]

Do people really not see that they are being played like a fiddle in all of this. Do people really think that demonstrations just spontaneously broke out across the world. Do people really think it's a natural progression for protestors to blame the governments in their own countries, thousands of miles away from the conflict.

It's all being orchestrated and it's never been so obvious

I'm not really sure what you mean? (I'm a bit thick!)
I think, the bit that confused me was "Do people really think it's a natural progression for protestors to blame the governments in their own countries, thousands of miles away from the conflict."

[Crimson Dynamo]

The organised gaza protests by useful idiot students and young people are being orchestrated by China

[DemRed]

Like we Banned RT News
over security problems.

142 journalists have been killed in Palestine since the invasion started.
The only security issues they have with Al Jazeera is, they are known for being truthful and they don't want the truth to get out.

[DemRed]

The organised gaza protests by useful idiot students and young people are being orchestrated by China

Actually that conspiracy has been debunked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually that conspiracy has been debunked.

they proved tiktok does not exist?

[bots]

The organised gaza protests by useful idiot students and young people are being orchestrated by China

it's certainly state actors that want to create chaos and disruption. It's so obvious

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's certainly state actors that want to create chaos and disruption. It's so obvious

they organised some "students" to set up a camp in Cambridge uni today and guess what..?

They all went shopping in the same camping shop and bought the same tents...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good news folks

Kier is now on the Gaza side

"With more than a million Palestinian civilians sheltering in Rafah, an Israeli offensive
must not go ahead.

There must be an immediate ceasefire, the immediate release of all hostages, and
unimpeded aid into Gaza that can be delivered regularly, quickly and safely.

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1787475160129306767

https://me-pedia.org/w/images/thumb/0/0a/Gaslight.jpg/300px-Gaslight.jpg

[joeysteele]

Just about everyone is saying that Israel should not make an invasion into Rafah.
All Parties in the UK.
Even Sunak has suggested Israel shouldn't do so.

The President of the USA too.
Never mind many more Countries around the World

It's nothing new that it's seen as wrong.
However Netanyahu and his awful government are not heeding that view or call.

So if he does carry it out.
I think personally then a rethink on the support for Israel will need dramatically re-asessing.
Plus this PM we have to reclarify as to his statement at the start of this chaos following October's crime on Israel by Hanas
His statement of '' We stand with Israel ALWAYS ''.
Really, a blank cheque to do whatever Betanysho and his extreme cronies wish to do.
It's way past the time in my view, for any blank cheques as to support now, that is, if he ever should have said it in the first place.

[joeysteele]

Not that Netanyahu is even listening to the UK or anyone else it seems.

[arista]

142 journalists have been killed in Palestine since the invasion started.
The only security issues they have with Al Jazeera is, they are known for being truthful and they don't want the truth to get out.


Yes I was amazed when I put on Al Jazeera HD
on SkyHD
when I see a Very Brave Journalist reporting
in Gaza.


Of course the Security Reason
would be used.

[Crimson Dynamo]

While the IDF is facilitating humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza through the
Kerem Shalom crossing, terrorists fire rockets into the same area.

Israel remains committed to providing life-saving aid while Hamas remains
committed to destroying lives.

https://x.com/IDF/status/1787083590905294941


that sums it up...

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/06/15/84514001-13387247-image-a-23_1715006837205.jpg
[Participants together with holocaust survivors
and October 7 survivors carry Israel's flag
as they stand under the famous entrance
gate at Auschwitz, on May 6, 2024]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13387247/Outrage-pro-Palestine-activists-stage-Gaza-protest-anti-Semitism-March-Living-walk-Auschwitz.html

[arista]

Hamas Agrees New Eygpt Cease fire

CNN HD Live

We now await Israel..................

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1787504334927704128?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Genocide, they happily admit to wanting to wipe out Palestinians yet people still pretend it’s not their goal, shameful

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1787504334927704128?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Genocide, they happily admit to wanting to wipe out Palestinians yet people still pretend it’s not their goal, shameful

The people there have been well warned to leave in advance of the operation

If they want to blame anyone they know where to find Hamas....

[arista]

Hamas Agrees New Eygpt Cease fire

CNN HD Live

We now await Israel..................


Sadly Israel Does not accept it.

[joeysteele]

Sadly Israel Does not accept it.

Is that a surprise?

[arista]

Is that a surprise?


They say it was Softend by
Eygpt

[Liam-]

Sadly Israel Does not accept it.

Of course they don’t, they wouldn’t be able to slaughter more children if they had accepted it

[Crimson Dynamo]

“This would appear to be a ruse intended to make Israel look like the side refusing a deal,”
said the Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.


------


Looks like people have already fallen for it...^^

:facepalm:

[arista]

Yesterday Hamas Fired Mortars
killing 4 Israelis

Ch4HDnews.

[arista]

IDF has now dropped leaflets
on the Rafah zone
all must now leave.

[The Israeli military says it is
"encouraging" people in the
southern Gaza city of Rafah
to move towards an expanded
humanitarian zone
It comes ahead of an expected offensive
on the city, where more than
1.4 million people are sheltering
The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) says
it is a "limited scope" operation
and not a wide-scale evacuation
of eastern Rafah which will affect
100,000 people]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68963839

Sadly this may go ahead
unless a new breakthrough in the Eygpt
ceasefire.


Also Hamas would have left that zone

[Crimson Dynamo]

Disgraceful Palestine activists stand outside AUSCHWITZ wearing Yellow STAR
OF DAVID badges.

The activists taunted Jewish Holocaust survivors on Holocaust Remembrance
Day and heckled them as they held a ‘March for Life’ to remember the 6 million
Jews who lost their lives.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM5tAAdWQAEeqp9?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1787485953340174596

if you are on their side perhaps its the wrong one.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

#BREAKING: The ground operation in Rafah has begun.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr5fvbWcAAArcD?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr7wX7W0AAFLig?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr8BpBWEAIZb8V?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr8fceWcAEmDdk?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr8xXdXEAA8LgV?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr89mmWcAAnrEl?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr9JR5XEAELaC3?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr9UVVWoAAuEdS?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr-BhBXAAAQZrx?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMr-Y_fWgAAxD7h?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

yeah

i think its all quite clear what we are dealing with...

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E34B/production/_133278185_12fcf42e-0123-4032-b6aa-5099aa5444a9.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/011F/production/_133278200_mediaitem133278023.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13553/production/_133278197_402482cd-bcb0-466b-afa6-6b628aa60a0d.jpg.webp

[Livia]

Disgraceful Palestine activists stand outside AUSCHWITZ wearing Yellow STAR
OF DAVID badges.

The activists taunted Jewish Holocaust survivors on Holocaust Remembrance
Day and heckled them as they held a ‘March for Life’ to remember the 6 million
Jews who lost their lives.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM5tAAdWQAEeqp9?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1787485953340174596

if you are on their side perhaps its the wrong one.....

Glad my grandmother isn't alive to see this.

[user104658]

To be fair, an uncomfortable and oft-avoided simple truth is that Poland has always had massive problems with racism and anti-semitism. Maybe they're feeling emboldened and of course it's not nice to generalise. But yeah. My daughter knows a few kids (teens) from Polish families and, frankly, they're borderline white supremacists and it evidently comes from their parents. So I don't think this is new attitudes... but the emboldening is of course concerning.

[user104658]

if you are on their side perhaps its the wrong one.....

Don't start that nonsense, this is an argument borrowed from the people you're Woke Watching. It's a BS argument when they use it, and it's a BS argument here too. Just loaded and manipulative really.

[arista]

Disgraceful Palestine activists stand outside AUSCHWITZ wearing Yellow STAR
OF DAVID badges.

The activists taunted Jewish Holocaust survivors on Holocaust Remembrance
Day and heckled them as they held a ‘March for Life’ to remember the 6 million
Jews who lost their lives.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM5tAAdWQAEeqp9?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1787485953340174596

if you are on their side perhaps its the wrong one.....


"Disgraceful Palestine activists"


Bang On Right LT.

[bots]

It's a nuanced conflict. It's not as simple as this side is good and that side is bad. That's why I struggle with all these protestors. I don't believe the majority are that stupid. Similarly with maga, i don't believe half the people believe a word Trump says, but they are still out there attaching themselves to his cause

[user104658]

It's a nuanced conflict. It's not as simple as this side is good and that side is bad. That's why I struggle with all these protestors. I don't believe the majority are that stupid. Similarly with maga, i don't believe half the people believe a word Trump says, but they are still out there attaching themselves to his cause

Let's be honest most people out "in crowds" on any side/any issue/for any reason are there simply because they want to be there doing the thing and that's the primary motivation. Actual, nuanced, in-depth understanding of the issues requiring any sort of critical thinking will not be present. Just loud-mouths and big banners.

[arista]

#BREAKING: The ground operation in Rafah has begun.


Yes IDF takes control
of the Rafah crossing.

Ref : CNN HD USA on UK TV

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a nuanced conflict. It's not as simple as this side is good and that side is bad. That's why I struggle with all these protestors. I don't believe the majority are that stupid. Similarly with maga, i don't believe half the people believe a word Trump says, but they are still out there attaching themselves to his cause

every interview I have seen with the pro-hamas "protestors" and I have seen a lot - the kids have no clue what it is they are on the march for

even older people have a very basic knowledge

its worrying how stupid and sheep-like people actually are

[user104658]

its worrying how stupid and sheep-like people actually are

To be honest I don't think it's most people, it's just that the people dumb enough to blindly follow [anything] are also the ones dumb enough to do so very loudly.

And it's certainly not just young people. There are examples young, old, and spanning the entire political spectrum. No real meaningful difference between a Palestine protestor, a flat earther, a "just stop oil" roadbump or a MAGA redhat outside an abortion center. Different sauces on the same sandwich.

[Crimson Dynamo]

$90,000 a year Columbia Uni students

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM-fLzBXsAAR9WA?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

If they can't spell it, I doubt they could point to it on a map.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Breaking News: There is an incident of rioters trying to break into a hotel in
Athens, Greece where a group of Israelis are staying. The local police forces are
trying to take over. #]


https://x.com/TJVNEWS/status/1787913985058074900

hamas supporter violence #344

[arista]

Yes, worldwide anger is growing.

[arista]

IDF is now attacking Precise Targets
in Eastern Rafagh

SkyNewsHD in Israel
reports

[arista]

Meanwhile in America


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/08/06/84597771-0-image-a-20_1715147810494.jpg



[US halts bomb shipments to Israel amid
concerns of full-scale Rafah invasion
as Biden's rift with Netanyahu deepens

A senior official confirmed the US paused
a large shipment last week to Israel
The shipment was supposed to contain
of a total of 3,500 bombs
Over 1 million civilians are sheltering
in Rafah after evacuating parts of Gaza]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13394521/US-halts-bomb-shipments-Israel-amid-concerns-scale-Rafah-invasion-Bidens-rift-Netanyahu-escalates.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/08/06/84597779-13394521-image-a-16_1715147664808.jpg

[A Palestinian youth inspects the damage
inside a destroyed building following
Israeli bombardment of Rafah's Tal al-Sultan district
in the southern Gaza Strip on May 7, 2024]

[Livia]

Meanwhile in Yemen.... 380,000 people have died, Muslims killed by other Muslims. War crime after war crime has been committed. No protests outside the Saudi embassies. Why is that?

[user104658]

Meanwhile in Yemen.... 380,000 people have died, Muslims killed by other Muslims. War crime after war crime has been committed. No protests outside the Saudi embassies. Why is that?

The sad banality is that the answer to this isn't even nuanced or political. "It's not the cause du jour". That's literally the whole answer. The people protesting are at this point just weaponised mass of nothingness who will rally around whatever the latest thing to rally around is.

My personal "favourite" illustration of this is the fact that no one gives two shiny shites about Ukraine any more. Like zero interest. :joker:.

[DemRed]

To be fair, an uncomfortable and oft-avoided simple truth is that Poland has always had massive problems with racism and anti-semitism. Maybe they're feeling emboldened and of course it's not nice to generalise. But yeah. My daughter knows a few kids (teens) from Polish families and, frankly, they're borderline white supremacists and it evidently comes from their parents. So I don't think this is new attitudes... but the emboldening is of course concerning.

Not something we learnt at school, but post WW2 18 million German speaking people were murdered across Eastern Europe.

[DemRed]

Yes, worldwide anger is growing.

Against what?

[user104658]

Against what?

That's the question, isn't it. Both against nothing, and against anything, because the real answer is that the anger is rooted in postmodern existential catastrophe. The "what" isn't relevant. The anger and frustration just "is" ... and it needs a target ... because most people can't engage in the sort of abstract critical thinking required to understand what they're looking at. And even fewer can do it in relation to themselves. And even those who can do both, can't do it all of the time.

And so we rage.

[DemRed]

The sad banality is that the answer to this isn't even nuanced or political. "It's not the cause du jour". That's literally the whole answer. The people protesting are at this point just weaponised mass of nothingness who will rally around whatever the latest thing to rally around is.
.

I beg to differ. I think this new generation coming through have informed themselves well. In these modern times its very easy to go on certain online platforms and not only see what's going on, but understand why its going on and more importantly, how long its been going on for. We now know with certainty how much power the IL have over both the American and British government and if that doesn't piss the Brits off, then you have to ask, why not?
History has been hidden from the older generation. The horrors of colonialism, has been brushed over well up until now, but now its ugly head has raised above the precipice and the younger generation are angry.

Its easy to suggest they are just an angry mob of stupid people and if it makes people feel better to suggest thats is all good and well, but we are presently going through a historical period of change that will be talked about in the years to come.

[user104658]

I beg to differ. I think this new generation coming through have informed themselves well. In these modern times its very easy to go on certain online platforms and not only see what's going on, but understand why its going on and more importantly, how long its been going on for. We now know with certainty how much power the IL have over both the American and British government and if that doesn't piss the Brits off, then you have to ask, why not?
History has been hidden from the older generation. The horrors of colonialism, has been brushed over well up until now, but now its ugly head has raised above the precipice and the younger generation are angry.

Its easy to suggest they are just an angry mob of stupid people and if it makes people feel better to suggest thats is all good and well, but we are presently going through a historical period of change that will be talked about in the years to come.

I don't think it has to be either-or and I think it's far more complicated than that, and in many ways, it equalises to how things ever were. Young people have easy access to all of the information in the world, and are at the same time and by the same mechanisms subjected to vastly more disinformation and agenda-driven semi-truths than ever before. What separates the mindless from the mindful is the ability to assess and appraise the information at hand with a critical eye and (to be entirely blunt) people, young, old, anywhere in between are no better at that than they ever were.

I think you're cherry-picking the argument here DemRed in all honesty because I've seen your skepticism on "woke issues" / trans rights etc. and there is a significant crossover between "people protesting for trans" (something that you don't agree with) and "people waving the Palestinian flag" (something that you do agree with). The criteria on which you're deeming young people "well informed" is, then, what? Whether or not it happens to be a topic that you agree with the mindset zeitgeist on? A group that attends a Gaza protest on Monday is well informed, but the same group swapping out those flags to boycott JK Rowling at a University on Tuesday is suddenly no longer well informed?

It doesn't really make sense, to me. Nor does it make sense that the same groups of people just-so-happen to fully align in their beliefs about a whole range of diverse issues, having properly considered each issue in full. It's statistically HIGHLY unlikely, is it not? It seems more likely that there's a lot of copy-paste protesting going on.


...

All of that aside, even to take the stance that these people ARE well informed on the issues and have them spot on, it can't be denied that the "laser focus" is usually on one or two issues at a time, and moves on quickly, without there being any resolution to the previous "issue of utmost importance" ..., i.e., Ukraine (Ukraine who??) when the Israel/Palestine issue came along to draw focus. Or the 1%/"Occupy", or MeToo, or Black Lives Matter, or, or, or...

Cause du jour.

[DemRed]

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1787504334927704128?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Genocide, they happily admit to wanting to wipe out Palestinians yet people still pretend it’s not their goal, shameful

They have just unearthed 392 bodies from the grounds of Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis. A large percent were women and children. They found a mass grave where bodies were “stacked together” and showed signs of torture and summary executions. PM's also show that some of them were buried alive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They have just unearthed 392 bodies from the grounds of Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis. A large percent were women and children. They found a mass grave where bodies were “stacked together” and showed signs of torture and summary executions. PM's also show that some of them were buried alive.

All killed by Hamas

[Nicky91]

All killed by Hamas

yes, but the pro-palestine lunatic protesters twist and turn it once again to paint israel as the bad guy


sickening antisemitism :yuk:

[DemRed]

All killed by Hamas

You've clearly not seen some of the footage I've seen, but then a nay saying attitude towards mass death and destruction doesn't surprise me one Jot

[Crimson Dynamo]

You've clearly not seen some of the footage I've seen, but then a nay saying attitude towards mass death and destruction doesn't surprise me one Jot

IV seen footage but no evidence
There is not a day goes by where Hamas PR is not claiming this and that

[Oliver_W]

You've clearly not seen some of the footage I've seen, but then a nay saying attitude towards mass death and destruction doesn't surprise me one Jot

What footage? Rockets labelled "From Israel, with love" striking the buildings?

[DemRed]

Try 'doctors without borders'.
Look at what they are showing from the UN
Look at what Africa has found and why it went to the ICJ
Listen to what the international criminal court have to say.
I doubt you will though because you've already made up your minds.

For a long time most of the world turned its back on the Jews during WW2
and for those now choosing to turn their back on the war crimes in Gaza, I believe you will one day regret that.

[DemRed]

yes, but the pro-palestine lunatic protesters twist and turn it once again to paint israel as the bad guy


sickening antisemitism :yuk:

some people get a thrill from climbing up someone else's stockings.
I've always thought that submis:hehe:sives are selfish and self serving. :hehe:

[arista]

Meanwhile in Yemen.... 380,000 people have died, Muslims killed by other Muslims. War crime after war crime has been committed. No protests outside the Saudi embassies. Why is that?

Yes, Livia

that is sad.


I updated my 2018 thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10133098&highlight=yemen#post10133098

[Nicky91]

some people get a thrill from climbing up someone else's stockings.
I've always thought that submis:hehe:sives are selfish and self serving. :hehe:

i always thought we actually learned something from World War 2

but it seems not

[Beso]

There wa a trans rights protest in leeds on monday, chanting from the river...you couldn't make it up.

[Beso]

To be fair, an uncomfortable and oft-avoided simple truth is that Poland has always had massive problems with racism and anti-semitism. Maybe they're feeling emboldened and of course it's not nice to generalise. But yeah. My daughter knows a few kids (teens) from Polish families and, frankly, they're borderline white supremacists and it evidently comes from their parents. So I don't think this is new attitudes... but the emboldening is of course concerning.



They lean that way because they are ashamed at how easily their forefathers capitulated to the germans.

[Beso]

The sad banality is that the answer to this isn't even nuanced or political. "It's not the cause du jour". That's literally the whole answer. The people protesting are at this point just weaponised mass of nothingness who will rally around whatever the latest thing to rally around is.

My personal "favourite" illustration of this is the fact that no one gives two shiny shites about Ukraine any more. Like zero interest. :joker:.


Actually a work colluege of mine is just back from a weeks long drive to ukraine in a van load of supplies, supplied by the workforce and local people...sonyou are wrong..many people do care, its just the virtual signillars who need to be seen signalling virtue that have just moved into the palistinine cause.

[arista]

President Biden
has confirmed all weapons will stop going to Israel
if the attack Rafah in full.

[Crimson Dynamo]

President Biden
has confirmed all weapons will stop going to Israel
if the attack Rafah in full.

Ideal so Israel can go in 95% and all good

[arista]

Ideal so Israel can go in 95% and all good


At this time it is far less

[Livia]

Yes, Livia

that is sad.


I updated my 2018 thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10133098&highlight=yemen#post10133098

I saw that, thanks arista. I don't see any of TiBB's Hamas fan club commenting on it.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNIOJxFXsAAs8hd?format=jpg&name=small

[Oliver_W]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNIOJxFXsAAs8hd?format=jpg&name=small

If going into R would truly end Hamas, why would Biden have a problem with it?

[DemRed]

They lean that way because they are ashamed at how easily their forefathers capitulated to the germans.

Does that include the Jews who were sent to the Warsaw Ghetto and Treblinka?

I hate it that when an enemy invades a country, the residents are seen as weak if they don't stand up and fight.

[DemRed]

I saw that, thanks arista. I don't see any of TiBB's Hamas fan club commenting on it.

Probably because there are no Hamas supporters on here!

[Beso]

Does that include the Jews who were sent to the Warsaw Ghetto and Treblinka?

I hate it that when an enemy invades a country, the residents are seen as weak if they don't stand up and fight.

Take it up with the young poles..That's who I got my info from.

[Livia]

They lean that way because they are ashamed at how easily their forefathers capitulated to the germans.

A good number of Poles were very enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis and participated actively in the round up of Jews and the theft of their property.

[Nicky91]

A good number of Poles were very enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis and participated actively in the round up of Jews and the theft of their property.

oh, that explains that they had sent most of their army to Lvov (where there in reality was not much fighting)

but more like that the Nazis could easily invade Radom


:think:

the Nazis were so rotten to the core they even tried stabbing the Soviets in the back (first starting a ''alliance'' with them to take poland but then wanting it all) how the Soviets didn't see that coming at all, how laidback their approach was pre-1941



and then there also is Vichy France obviously, whom were also vile cowardly sympathizers of the Nazi's in exchange for their own freedoms (whom controlled North Africa, southern france)


but all of this is very offtopic, so lets head back on topic


in terms of the pro-palestine protesters, they don't seem to understand in a war you always have collateral damage, it is sad of the innocent palestinians deaths, but you always should fight terrorism and you can blame Hamas more for those deaths who used their citizens as human shields, than Netanyahu (he made a controversial decision yes, deffo makes him not very popular) but Hamas are more evil at the moment

[Oliver_W]

the Nazis were so rotten to the core they even tried stabbing the Soviets in the back

The more one learns about those guys :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The more one learns about those guys :fist:

I know in the past you have been on the fence about the Nazis Oliver

Will this fresh information change that?

:omgno:

[Oliver_W]

I know in the past you have been on the fence about the Nazis Oliver

Will this fresh information change that?

:omgno:

Something like that just really puts things into perspective.

[DemRed]

Take it up with the young poles..That's who I got my info from.
My father-in-law is Jewish and Polish and although he and his grandmother escaped the extermination of the Jews, his family didn't.
He was raised in the UK by his grandmother and he's always said that his grandmother told him that prior to WW2 Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.
In the UK however, as a small child, he was advised not to tell his school mates that he was Jewish as there would be repercussions.

[joeysteele]

Probably because there are no Hamas supporters on here!

Exactly DemRed.
Wild accusations fly like confetti at times.

[Beso]

Exactly DemRed.
Wild accusations fly like confetti at times.

I mean, they've been a member for all of 3 months so I'm sure they know best.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Something like that just really puts things into perspective.

:joker:

[Livia]

My father-in-law is Jewish and Polish and although he and his grandmother escaped the extermination of the Jews, his family didn't.
He was raised in the UK by his grandmother and he's always said that his grandmother told him that prior to WW2 Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.
In the UK however, as a small child, he was advised not to tell his school mates that he was Jewish as there would be repercussions.

Whereas...my grandmother who survived the deathcamps, just, found nothing but acceptance in the UK and became a very proud Brit.

[Livia]

Exactly DemRed.
Wild accusations fly like confetti at times.

Although no one aimed any accusations at you, joey. You've set out your position eloquently and although I don't always agree, I respect your point of view. Not everyone expresses themselves so well, some people's expressions are desperate and hateful.

[joeysteele]

Although no one aimed any accusations at you, joey. You've set out your position eloquently and although I don't always agree, I respect your point of view. Not everyone expresses themselves so well, some people's expressions are desperate and hateful.

That is very gracious of you Livia to be fair.
I know you must feel both hurt and sadness at the horrific scenes in the Israel and Palestine areas.

I often wish some magic wand could be waved to take all the suffering away.

I hope you are doing okay and are well Livia.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews Live in Israel

The Commander of the IDF confirmed,
he has enough weapons to Carry on with killing all of Hamas.

So President Biden can halt all weapons.

[Vanessa]

Wish this war would end. It's just absolutely horrendous.

[arista]

The Hostages
will not get released
while the IDF is moving forward
Rafah.

Tragic.

[arista]

Meanwhile
UK is supplying weapons to Israel

David Cameron
The Foreign Minister said they would have
keep an eye on Rafah

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wish this war would end. It's just absolutely horrendous.

Hamas release the hostages they are holding and it does

they don't want the war to end

they feed and exist from war

its what they are

[arista]

Hamas release the hostages they are holding and it does

they don't want the war to end

they feed and exist from war

its what they are


Sadly all true LT

[DemRed]

Although no one aimed any accusations at you, joey. You've set out your position eloquently and although I don't always agree, I respect your point of view. Not everyone expresses themselves so well, some people's expressions are desperate and hateful.

We may not like one another and its better we just ignore each other, but when you make snide uncalled for pointy comments, then I'm going to come right back at you.
I know you have a few submissive's who grovel at your sarcastic one liners
and sexy avatar, but I'm not one of them!

[Livia]

We may not like one another and its better we just ignore one each other, but when you make snide uncalled for pointy comments, then I'm going to come right back at you.
I know you have a few submissive's who grovel at your sarcastic one liners
and sexy avatar, but I'm not one of them!

Read your last sentence back then tell me about snide, pointy comments

Otherwise, you overestimate your impact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNJjxhUWQAAuNTg?format=jpg&name=small

[The Slim Reaper]

amazed you came back after that:shocked:

many would not have

#brassneck

d9DjDh3yjSM

You spent 5 pages attacking Muslims over an attack perpetrated by a honky. I think of all the people that needs to sit this one out, it's one of the cabal of sad old fcukers that SB referred to in the post under yours.

[The Slim Reaper]

Whereas...my grandmother who survived the deathcamps, just, found nothing but acceptance in the UK and became a very proud Brit.

Didn't you say she was about to hot tail it out of here if Corbyn had won, to avoid the inevitable, and definitely not made up, Corbyn pogrom?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DC13/production/_133293365_mediaitem133293364.jpg.webp

[Crimson Dynamo]

This monument in Copenhagen commemorates Denmark’s rescue of its Jews during the Holocaust.

It has been vandalized by people who believe that 6 million dead Jews wasn't enough.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNKDmvUW8AAdIhh?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1788637880262299788

[user104658]

sarcastic one liners and sexy avatar

:skull: :skull: :skull:

[Beso]

1st page, a distinct lack of criticism against hamas and their actions from certain people who are now all over the thread..disgusting hypocrites.

[Beso]

Nope still none on page 3...we did get slim popping in to back hamas though...so there is support for hamas on TIBB, Demred was wrong..

[user104658]

Nope still none on page 3...we did get slim popping in to back hamas though...so there is support for hamas on TIBB, Demred was wrong..

On page 5 you posted a picture of your cock with a face drawn on it and said it was LT, so we all make mistakes Parmy.

In other words - include links to your claims or they mean nothing

[Crimson Dynamo]

On page 5 you posted a picture of your cock with a face drawn on it and said it was LT, so we all make mistakes Parmy.

In other words - include links to your claims or they mean nothing

I did not draw on his cock:nono:

[user104658]

I did not draw on his cock:nono:

On page 7 Nicky posted a picture that proves otherwise. Arista had a full boon mic and was providing professional quality sound of the whole affair.

A truly bizarre TiBB meet-up.

[Beso]

On page 5 you posted a picture of your cock with a face drawn on it and said it was LT, so we all make mistakes Parmy.

In other words - include links to your claims or they mean nothing

Just go to page 1 to 3 and read it for yourself...

[Nicky91]

On page 7 Nicky posted a picture that proves otherwise. Arista had a full boon mic and was providing professional quality sound of the whole affair.

A truly bizarre TiBB meet-up.

i didn't post anything on page 7 of this thread :suspect:

[Beso]

On page 5 you posted a picture of your cock with a face drawn on it and said it was LT, so we all make mistakes Parmy.



In other words - include links to your claims or they mean nothingIt wasn't my penis actually..it was Yasser Arafat ..

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240510/d48d901dafc22e615c7ea9ce5070534d.jpg

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk

[user104658]

Just go to page 1 to 3 and read it for yourself...

That's not really how citing a claim works though is it?

"Here you go miss I've finished my Dickens essay!"
"Uhh little Parmy you haven't included any quotes or references...?"
"Uhh, how about go read the book yourself nitwit!"

[Beso]

That's not really how citing a claim works though is it?

"Here you go miss I've finished my Dickens essay!"
"Uhh little Parmy you haven't included any quotes or references...?"
"Uhh, how about go read the book yourself nitwit!"

I'd only be posting a link to page one of this thread.. I'm sure even a wise man like yourself can manage to click "first" on the pages tab.

[user104658]

I'd only be posting a link to page one of this thread.. I'm sure even a wise man like yourself can manage to click "first" on the pages tab.

But why not just quote the specific post you mean. You said someone posted in support of Hamas - why not quote that post when saying it? Otherwise it's a guessing game which post you mean unless someone is actually saying "Hello, I support Hamas!" which I find unlikely.

[Beso]

But why not just quote the specific post you mean. You said someone posted in support of Hamas - why not quote that post when saying it? Otherwise it's a guessing game which post you mean unless someone is actually saying "Hello, I support Hamas!" which I find unlikely.

I'm not your skivvy.

[Livia]

I found the posts to which you refer, Parm. I must be a geenyus or somethin'.

[user104658]

I'm not your skivvy.

Begrudgingly I went back and looked. If by "lack of posts" you're talking about DemRed, I'm 99% sure DemRed was not actively posting on TiBB at that point so slightly silly to call out the lack of posts from someone who wasn't here :think:. I'd also argue (rather strongly) that silence does not imply anything at all on any issue. Compelled speech is as bad as censorship, as we should all understand.

I also haven't found anything overtly supportive of Hamas which is why I asked you to quote the posts -- I obviously know which posts you're referring to but I disagree that they're overtly Hamas-supporting. Livia obviously agrees with your interpretation and thus "found the posts" with ease. All this is actually doing is proving the point that actually quoting things and saying things with your whole chest in the first place is better than thinly-veiled vagueries.

[bots]

The west hasn't exactly got a very good track record in the region when it comes to joined up thinking, so quite honestly, I think we should keep out of it as much as we can. What i can say is that one small policy change can have some very unexpected consequences, so i hope those western leaders are ready to accept what results from it all.

With elections in both the UK and USA approaching imminently, they can be won or lost in a heartbeat because voters now seem to have the attention span of an average fish.

In the space of a month, Biden has gone from, our support for Israel is iron clad to them purposefully withholding weapons and he is considered to be the stable option going into the future

[user104658]

The west hasn't exactly got a very good track record in the region when it comes to joined up thinking, so quite honestly, I think we should keep out of it as much as we can. What i can say is that one small policy change can have some very unexpected consequences, so i hope those western leaders are ready to accept what results from it all.

With elections in both the UK and USA approaching imminently, they can be won or lost in a heartbeat because voters now seem to have the attention span of an average fish.

In the space of a month, Biden has gone from, our support for Israel is iron clad to them purposefully withholding weapons and he is considered to be the stable option going into the future

Let's face it, the creation of Israel in the first place (rightly or wrongly, I'm not passing judgement on that here) was a combination of PR and global positioning strategy. If the existence of Israel no longer plays well politically in the west, then the preservation of Israel purely comes down to strategic value... and I think the US (to be blunt) in 2024 has other options if necessary. Governments, as a rule, are never legitimately acting out of altruism. They weren't when they entered WW2 in the first place (that any of the motivation for doing so was because of the persecution of Jewish people is demonstrably a flat out lie), they weren't when they created the state of Israel, and they aren't now.

[DemRed]

Nope still none on page 3...we did get slim popping in to back hamas though...so there is support for hamas on TIBB, Demred was wrong..

When I came back in here, this thread was already half way though and I've only read the thread onward from there. I think anyone supporting Hamas are confused, but then I think anyone supporting the IDF are confused as well. Both are terrorists, both have terrorized and for 70 odd years, one of them has got away with systematic terrorism before the world woke up.

[DemRed]

Day 1 of the new UN vote for Palestinian UN membership and a 2 state solution.
152 countries voted Yes
2 countries voted No
12 countries refrained from voting.

[DemRed]

In the space of a month, Biden has gone from, our support for Israel is iron clad to them purposefully withholding weapons and he is considered to be the stable option going into the future

That's because an election is coming up and the forecast says, 85% of Americans won't vote for Biden because of his support for Israel.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Day 1 of the new UN vote for Palestinian UN membership and a 2 state solution.
152 countries voted Yes
2 countries voted No
12 countries refrained from voting.

YOu act like the UN has any credibility

it does not

[Beso]

That's because an election is coming up and the forecast says, 85% of Americans won't vote for Biden because of his support for Israel.

That's just not true...biden was losing all support long before Oct 9th...and it's all down to his physical condition. Nothing to do with israel.

[Oliver_W]

Day 1 of the new UN vote for Palestinian UN membership and a 2 state solution.
152 countries voted Yes
2 countries voted No
12 countries refrained from voting.

It shouldn't even be a question while Palestine is "governed" by Hamas.

[Beso]

So if hamas are justified in their actions on Oct 9th because of years and years of terrorist israeli actions, does that mean me as a westerner can go and mutilate,kidnapping, and rape just any old Muslim because of the terrorist attacks we have suffered from muslim led terrorist groups?

No, no it doesnt, because that would be cruel and stupid..

[Beso]

I also see hamas have attacked the pier that the aid shipments use to unload the much needed aid that the Palestinians need.

[Beso]

When I came back in here, this thread was already half way though and I've only read the thread onward from there. I think anyone supporting Hamas are confused, but then I think anyone supporting the IDF are confused as well. Both are terrorists, both have terrorized and for 70 odd years, one of them has got away with systematic terrorism before the world woke up.

Can I suggest you dont make anymore outlandish statements in the future then without reading the whole thread.

[DemRed]

Whereas...my grandmother who survived the deathcamps, just, found nothing but acceptance in the UK and became a very proud Brit.

I'm glad she had a better experience because antisemitism was very virulent in Britain at that time. There were anti-Jewish riots in 1947 in a number of British cities.
Ernest Bevin, foreign secretary of Clement Attlee was regularly reported in papers like the Daily Mail for his vitriol against the Jews. He even started a conspiracy, that in some circles, lives to this day.

[DemRed]

It shouldn't even be a question while Palestine is "governed" by Hamas.

Most of the countries who voted yes, said it was on the proviso that Hamas no longer governed Palestine.

[Oliver_W]

Most of the countries who voted yes, said it was on the proviso that Hamas no longer governed Palestine.

We all know how much they care about their citizens, so I'm nearly certain they'd step down for the good of their people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm glad she had a better experience because antisemitism was very virulent in Britain at that time. There were anti-Jewish riots in 1947 in a number of British cities.
Ernest Bevin, foreign secretary of Clement Attlee was regularly reported in papers like the Daily Mail for his vitriol against the Jews. He even started a conspiracy, that in some circles, lives to this day.

where were anti Jewish riots and what is your source?

I hope its not Marxist things like The New Statesman?

[DemRed]

Can I suggest you dont make anymore outlandish statements in the future then without reading the whole thread.

No, you can't suggest anything and what outlandish statements?!?

Some of us have to work and I'm not going to read through fifty odd pages of a thread when there's only about 6 of you commenting. It takes me two pages at most to get the gist of who thinks what.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[DemRed]

where were anti Jewish riots and what is your source?

I hope its not Marxist things like The New Statesman?

Here's one https://jcpa.org/article/antisemitism-embedded-in-british-culture/

[DemRed]

:facepalm:

:hee:

[Beso]

No, you can't suggest anything and what outlandish statements?!?

Some of us have to work and I'm not going to read through fifty odd pages of a thread when there's only about 6 of you commenting. It takes me two pages at most to get the gist of who thinks what.

Some of us dont have to work, we work because we enjoy it.

Cant answer the top question because you wont let me.:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's one https://jcpa.org/article/antisemitism-embedded-in-british-culture/

great its says "anti- jewish riots"

but provides zero evidence

anyone can type "anti- jewish riots"

like I just did

[DemRed]

great its says "anti- jewish riots"

but provides zero evidence

anyone can type "anti- jewish riots"

like I just did

You can always do your own research.
Anyway, I believe my father-in-law, but it matters not if you don't, after all, this is just an anonymous forum where people can make up ****.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can always do your own research.
Anyway, I believe my father-in-law, but it matters not if you don't, after all, this is just an anonymous forum where people can make up ****.

sample size one

is

sample size one

[Beso]

Jews are often portrayed as whiney in films.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The charge goes unchallenged on the BBC. But it is a depressing rehashing of
age-old anti-Semitic tropes about Jewish blood lust

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/05/10/TELEMMGLPICT000376949186_17153453397380_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=500

The battle to destroy Israel is not just fought with weapons. In the wider world, Hamas’s fellow travellers have been fighting to eradicate the Jewish state for many decades, and their chosen weapon is words.

In recent years the accusation they have alighted on is that Israel is an apartheid state. It’s a powerful weapon because the word is so poisonous. And the more it is repeated the more it becomes accepted as “fact”.

But since Israel began its response to Hamas’s October 7 massacre, another word has entered the “destroy Israel” lexicon: genocide. If apartheid is bad, genocide is of course a different order of magnitude.

If screaming “apartheid” has an impact in delegitimising the very basis of Israel’s existence, accusing it of genocide is a still more powerful weapon. So it has, likewise, been repeated until it has now become accepted as fact – such that it can be asserted without contradiction.

On yesterday’s Today programme, for example, a student referred to as “Issy” claimed that Israel had been found guilty by the International Court of Justice of a “plausible genocide”. The presenter, Amol Rajan, did not correct her. Given how often this lie is repeated, perhaps Rajan thought it a statement of fact.

But the ICJ’s presiding judge at the time of the Gaza ruling, Joan Donoghue, has made clear that the court made no such finding. Rather, the ICJ held that Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide in Gaza in theory.

Donoghue told the BBC’s own HardTalk programme that the court “didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible…[T]he shorthand that often appears which is that there is a plausible case of genocide isn’t what the court decided.”

Genocide is a specific crime, which is when certain acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

It has now become accepted as “fact” that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in Gaza, 70 per cent of whom are women and children. That these statistics are supplied by Hamas, via its health ministry, is sometimes mentioned as an afterthought. But that they are clearly correct is assumed as a given.

Yet when these figures are looked at in the context of analysis by some of the world’s leading statisticians, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that they have been seized upon primarily as a confirmation of Jewish blood lust – one of the most familiar of anti-Semitic tropes.

Data scientist Professor Abraham Wyner of the University of Pennsylvania appears to show that the civilian death toll is statistically impossible: “The daily totals increase too consistently to be real”, rising daily “with almost metronomical linearity”.

He writes that Hamas “assigned about 70 per cent of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed.”

In some data sets, it would seem, men must have come back to life while on several days no men were apparently killed, only women.

As Prof Wyner claims, “the casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children, and the majority may be Hamas fighters”. Indeed, the actual ratio of civilian casualties to Hamas terrorists is “at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1”.

This matters not just because it matters to be correct, but because it exposes the accusation of genocide to be a lie. The legal standard for the death of civilians is “willful.” Far from there being evidence to support this, the facts show the opposite.

John Spencer, professor of Urban War Studies at West Point, argues that “Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties in war than any military in history – above and beyond what international law requires and more than the US did in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – setting a standard that will be both hard and potentially problematic to repeat.”

This includes, he claims. evacuating 70 to 90 per cent of civilians from cities before beginning a full ground invasion in conventional attacks that seek to destroy enemy defenders. The US did not do this in the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, the Vietnam Tet counter-offensive or the Korean War.

And the IDF’s Civilian Harm Mitigation Cell tracks the presence of civilians in real time uses that to drive its operations to minimise the risk of civilian casualties.

But this is war, and civilians die in war. Especially when one of the combatants deliberately embeds itself among civilians specifically to maximise the civilian death toll.

As always, novelist Howard Jacobson gets to the heart of the issue: “There is a sadistic triumphalism in charging Jews with genocide, as though those making it feel they have their man at last. The sadism resides, specifically, in attacking Jews where their memories of pain are keenest. By making them now the torturer and not the tortured, their assailants wrest their anguish from them, not only stealing their past but trampling on it.”

Added to that is the sick irony that there is indeed a wish for genocide – by Hamas, the terrorist group which massacred 1200 Israelis on October 7 and which is committed in its founding charter not just to the death of all Israelis but to the elimination of all Jews, everywhere.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/10/israel-isnt-committing-genocide/

[The Slim Reaper]

Nope still none on page 3...we did get slim popping in to back hamas though...so there is support for hamas on TIBB, Demred was wrong..

Quote my support for Hamas, please. Let's all have a look at it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Israel have been trying to wipe out the Palestinians for the last 60 years, and are the real terrorists. If you have supported Ukraine's right to defend itself, then you should also be supporting Palestine.

Obviously horrific scenes, but these same scenes have been happening daily for years the other way round, but they are not plastered across the media like this has been. Draw your own conclusions as to why that is the case.

I don't blame the Palestinians for fighting back against the apartheid system they have been living under. None of the tough talkers on this forum would allow an occupying force to withdraw our food, water, energy supplies etc without wanting to fight back. Neither should the Palestinians.

Israel has always been the aggressor in this occupation, and is a stain on the western myth of peace and democracy.

Parms banned, so I'm posting my offending post. As I repeatedly said in the start of this thread, please try and prove a thing I've written, incorrect.

[Livia]

I'm glad she had a better experience because antisemitism was very virulent in Britain at that time. There were anti-Jewish riots in 1947 in a number of British cities.
Ernest Bevin, foreign secretary of Clement Attlee was regularly reported in papers like the Daily Mail for his vitriol against the Jews. He even started a conspiracy, that in some circles, lives to this day.

Some people through history dIdn't like Jews.

Labour have always had a bit of a problem with Jews.

WHO KNEW?!?

[The Slim Reaper]

Parm wanted this reply to my post adding in.

does that defence include rape, mutilation, executions kidnap and torture of innocent civilians in a direct manner?

No, but then again, Israel has been doing these things for decades, so why is it not only allowed, but ignored and cheered on by the side that have been the aggressor for most of these crimes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Some people through history dIdn't like Jews.

Labour have always had a bit of a problem with Jews.

WHO KNEW?!?

You're making this up. As you know, AS has been the traditional hobby horse of the right. This was accepted wisdom until a leader of the labour party said we should support the Palestinian struggle for freedom, then all of a sudden everyone on the left was an anti semite according to weirdos and the media.

What's more likely; that lifelong anti racists suddenly started picking on a single minority, or that the folks who have labelled brown immigrants and asylum seekers as trash, and are dripping with racism from every pore, are the real anti racists?

[The Slim Reaper]

Parm wanted me to add this comment in too.

Get a massive bomb.....drop it on the place, then we can all live in peace

But I'm the one who supports terrorism :laugh:

[Nicky91]

The charge goes unchallenged on the BBC. But it is a depressing rehashing of
age-old anti-Semitic tropes about Jewish blood lust

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/05/10/TELEMMGLPICT000376949186_17153453397380_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=500

The battle to destroy Israel is not just fought with weapons. In the wider world, Hamas’s fellow travellers have been fighting to eradicate the Jewish state for many decades, and their chosen weapon is words.

In recent years the accusation they have alighted on is that Israel is an apartheid state. It’s a powerful weapon because the word is so poisonous. And the more it is repeated the more it becomes accepted as “fact”.

But since Israel began its response to Hamas’s October 7 massacre, another word has entered the “destroy Israel” lexicon: genocide. If apartheid is bad, genocide is of course a different order of magnitude.

If screaming “apartheid” has an impact in delegitimising the very basis of Israel’s existence, accusing it of genocide is a still more powerful weapon. So it has, likewise, been repeated until it has now become accepted as fact – such that it can be asserted without contradiction.

On yesterday’s Today programme, for example, a student referred to as “Issy” claimed that Israel had been found guilty by the International Court of Justice of a “plausible genocide”. The presenter, Amol Rajan, did not correct her. Given how often this lie is repeated, perhaps Rajan thought it a statement of fact.

But the ICJ’s presiding judge at the time of the Gaza ruling, Joan Donoghue, has made clear that the court made no such finding. Rather, the ICJ held that Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide in Gaza in theory.

Donoghue told the BBC’s own HardTalk programme that the court “didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible…[T]he shorthand that often appears which is that there is a plausible case of genocide isn’t what the court decided.”

Genocide is a specific crime, which is when certain acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

It has now become accepted as “fact” that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in Gaza, 70 per cent of whom are women and children. That these statistics are supplied by Hamas, via its health ministry, is sometimes mentioned as an afterthought. But that they are clearly correct is assumed as a given.

Yet when these figures are looked at in the context of analysis by some of the world’s leading statisticians, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that they have been seized upon primarily as a confirmation of Jewish blood lust – one of the most familiar of anti-Semitic tropes.

Data scientist Professor Abraham Wyner of the University of Pennsylvania appears to show that the civilian death toll is statistically impossible: “The daily totals increase too consistently to be real”, rising daily “with almost metronomical linearity”.

He writes that Hamas “assigned about 70 per cent of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed.”

In some data sets, it would seem, men must have come back to life while on several days no men were apparently killed, only women.

As Prof Wyner claims, “the casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children, and the majority may be Hamas fighters”. Indeed, the actual ratio of civilian casualties to Hamas terrorists is “at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1”.

This matters not just because it matters to be correct, but because it exposes the accusation of genocide to be a lie. The legal standard for the death of civilians is “willful.” Far from there being evidence to support this, the facts show the opposite.

John Spencer, professor of Urban War Studies at West Point, argues that “Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties in war than any military in history – above and beyond what international law requires and more than the US did in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – setting a standard that will be both hard and potentially problematic to repeat.”

This includes, he claims. evacuating 70 to 90 per cent of civilians from cities before beginning a full ground invasion in conventional attacks that seek to destroy enemy defenders. The US did not do this in the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, the Vietnam Tet counter-offensive or the Korean War.

And the IDF’s Civilian Harm Mitigation Cell tracks the presence of civilians in real time uses that to drive its operations to minimise the risk of civilian casualties.

But this is war, and civilians die in war. Especially when one of the combatants deliberately embeds itself among civilians specifically to maximise the civilian death toll.

As always, novelist Howard Jacobson gets to the heart of the issue: “There is a sadistic triumphalism in charging Jews with genocide, as though those making it feel they have their man at last. The sadism resides, specifically, in attacking Jews where their memories of pain are keenest. By making them now the torturer and not the tortured, their assailants wrest their anguish from them, not only stealing their past but trampling on it.”

Added to that is the sick irony that there is indeed a wish for genocide – by Hamas, the terrorist group which massacred 1200 Israelis on October 7 and which is committed in its founding charter not just to the death of all Israelis but to the elimination of all Jews, everywhere.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/10/israel-isnt-committing-genocide/

i hope they will invade the malmo arena tonight, to disturb that pathetic song contest ****show

karma to the israeli money lovers in the EBU

[Crimson Dynamo]

"You can't just put out 80 percent of a fire; you have to put out the whole
thing. You can't destroy 80 percent of Hamas."

Watch @DouglasKMurray and @BillMaher react to the calls for Israelis to stop
their attack on Rafah


9szZsVA7hCg

[DemRed]

great its says "anti- jewish riots"

but provides zero

anyone can type "anti- jewish riots"

like I just did

Going into the 1940s archives can be problematic, but things are there.
George Orwell was a Jew and he wrote 50 essays about antisemitism in the UK.

GaK7tMwPAs4

[Crimson Dynamo]

Latest IDF map for the civilian evacuation in Rafah.

A lot to unpack here, but the key point is that humanitarian requirements force Israel to
reveal their plans in advance.

By giving up the element of surprise, they’re effectively risking IDF lives to save Gazan
civilians.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNSDmXXWIAAI2jN?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1789199652786467086

[arista]

[Israel has ordered thousands more Rafah
residents to evacuate the city as it steps
up attacks in Gaza,
and claims to have had face-to-face
battles with Hamas
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
intensifying operations around the southern city,
where more than a million displaced
people are sheltering
The latest evacuation order came hours
after the US said Israel may have breached
international law with US weapons in Gaza
A US government report says it is
"reasonable to assess" that arms have
been used in ways "inconsistent"
with Israel's obligations - but stopped short
of halting shipments
The UN says more than 80,000 people
have fled Rafah since Monday,
after Israel warned people to evacuate
ahead of a planned major offensive]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68990918

[bots]

Latest IDF map for the civilian evacuation in Rafah.

A lot to unpack here, but the key point is that humanitarian requirements force Israel to
reveal their plans in advance.

By giving up the element of surprise, they’re effectively risking IDF lives to save Gazan
civilians.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNSDmXXWIAAI2jN?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1789199652786467086

in just about any other conflict around the world, residents would go into cellars, bunkers and tunnels, but because of hamas, thats just not an option. They would also go to hospitals or community centres, but because of hamas tactics, thats not an option

[Livia]

Going into the 1940s archives can be problematic, but things are there.
George Orwell was a Jew and he wrote 50 essays about antisemitism in the UK.

GaK7tMwPAs4

Honestly, it's as if anti-Semitism is news to you. Jews have been thrown out of every decent country in Europe in the past, it's been no worse in the UK than anywhere else despite how many times you Google it. It's tedious watching you use your tenuous links to Judaism to try to make yourself sound more informed. It's just not working.

[DemRed]

Honestly, it's as if anti-Semitism is news to you. Jews have been thrown out of every decent country in Europe in the past, it's been no worse in the UK than anywhere else despite how many times you Google it. It's tedious watching you use your tenuous links to Judaism to try to make yourself sound more informed. It's just not working.

What nonsense. I mentioned that my farther-in-law as a small Jewish boy being brought to England from Poland, was warned, when he started school, not to let his classmates know he was Jewish.
You came back with how your grandmother, after surviving the death camps was warmly welcomed in the UK. So you, wanted to make a point that the Brits (because they were warm and welcoming to your grandma) were not antisemitic, as I had suggested.
LT then comes back on your side, saying there's no evidence unless you have a link. I send him a link from Jerusalem center of public affairs and he attempts to de-bunk that and so I sent the one that you are remarking to.

I'm very well informed. I can speak some Hebrew as well as some Arabic. I have studied both Torah and Talmud. Some years ago, I studied with a Jewish Rabbi because I considered (very seriously) adopting the faith I had inherited.
I have been to both Israel and Palestine. I love both Israel and Palestine but as a Judo-Christian, I felt more welcome in Palestine than Israel.

The benefit I had was, whilst I may of been born with Jewish rights, I was never raised with a Zionist ideology. I'm sure if I had been, I would feel like you do.

The put downs aren't necessary. Its arrogant to suggest I know nothing about a subject I've studied for many years.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hello Mr Hammer and Sickle

Fancy seeing you here....:skull:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/11/16/84740367-13407113-image-a-104_1715440095257.jpg

[Livia]

What nonsense. I mentioned that my farther-in-law as a small Jewish boy being brought to England from Poland, was warned, when he started school, not to let his classmates know he was Jewish.
You came back with how your grandmother, after surviving the death camps was warmly welcomed in the UK. So you, wanted to make a point that the Brits (because they were warm and welcoming to your grandma) were not antisemitic, as I had suggested.
LT then comes back on your side, saying there's no evidence unless you have a link. I send him a link from Jerusalem center of public affairs and he attempts to de-bunk that and so I sent the one that you are remarking to.

I'm very well informed. I can speak some Hebrew as well as some Arabic. I have studied both Torah and Talmud. Some years ago, I studied with a Jewish Rabbi because I considered (very seriously) adopting the faith I had inherited.
I have been to both Israel and Palestine. I love both Israel and Palestine but as a Judo-Christian, I felt more welcome in Palestine than Israel.

The benefit I had was, whilst I may of been born with Jewish rights, I was never raised with a Zionist ideology. I'm sure if I had been, I would feel like you do.

The put downs aren't necessary. Its arrogant to suggest I know nothing about a subject I've studied for many years.

You know nothing about me nor how I was raised. You keep telling me how well informed you are but I'm yet to see any tangible evidence of that. I remember you considered yourself equally well informed about whatever subject was being discussed in the past.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8332/live/3e541970-0fde-11ef-82e8-cd354766a224.png.webp

[Oliver_W]

When I came back in here, this thread was already half way though and I've only read the thread onward from there. I think anyone supporting Hamas are confused, but then I think anyone supporting the IDF are confused as well. Both are terrorists, both have terrorized and for 70 odd years, one of them has got away with systematic terrorism before the world woke up.

Most people say "Israel and Hamas" when referring to the combatants, so as to remove Palestinians from blame.

How would you feel about saying "IDF and Hamas", removing Israelis from blame?

[arista]

Labour Party Jonathon Ashworth MP.
(Shadow Paymaster General)
claims they will back Biden
in saying that there will be
no selling of UK-made arms to Israel.

If they, attack Refah in full.


Ref: BBC1HD Laura Live.

[Zizu]

Labour Party Jonathon Ashworth MP.
(Shadow Paymaster General)
claims they will back Biden
in saying that there will be
no selling of UK-made arms to Israel.

If they, attack Refah in full.


Ref: BBC1HD Laura Live.


Jonathon Ashworth is a slimy faced imbecile


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[bots]

It's all political manoeuvring to satisfy voters later in the year. All the USA are doing is restricting a few of their larger weapons, it means nothing in the scheme of things

[The Slim Reaper]

Most moral army in the world, remember.

1789200845420061151

[Crimson Dynamo]

"according to CNN"

:joker:

[Oliver_W]

Most moral army in the world, remember.


Remember? I'd literally never heard it referred to as such until people started saying it sarcastically at some point over the weekend.

But I suppose it has the same energy as "Religion of Peace."

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember? I'd literally never heard it referred to as such until people started saying it sarcastically at some point over the weekend.

But I suppose it has the same energy as "Religion of Peace."

Your ignorance isn't my problem.

wUIUVCWyecU

Jainism is the only religion of peace.

[DemRed]

You know nothing about me nor how I was raised. You keep telling me how well informed you are but I'm yet to see any tangible evidence of that. I remember you considered yourself equally well informed about whatever subject was being discussed in the past.

I never said I knew jot about you. I've seen you putting others down as well as me and can only conclude that you get some kick out of that.

[DemRed]

The best place to see what's going on is Telegram. It explains why so many people are now angry with the Israeli government.
Whilst the IDF loves TiKToK, it also loves Telegram and posts videos of the atrocities they are proud of.
If you watch the crude videos on Telegram, you will unfortunately see things you never wanted to see. This is probably the first time in history we are witnesses to blatant war crimes literally as they happen. In the past we've heard about how brutal regimes and even seen photographs but we now have access to horrors unfolding on a daily basis, that are unimaginable.

MSM show us nothing, just like they showed us nothing about previous invasions and war atrocities. Whilst the Israeli Lobby aren't as powerful in the UK as they are in the U.S, they still have a lot of umf about what's printed.

[Beso]

I remember seeing hamas beheading a woman with a garden spade as they made her husband watch just after 0ct 7th.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNdcODcW0AAuBei?format=jpg&name=small

[DemRed]

I hope the hostages are safe and they get out alive, but this bombing has been so catastrophic, along with starvation and disease from polluted water, I fear its not going to be many.
This is why thousands are protesting in Israel, including families of the hostages who are regularly fired on with water-cannons. The longer this goes on, the less likely they are going to get their families back.

[joeysteele]

I hope the hostages are safe and they get out alive, but this bombing has been so catastrophic, along with starvation and disease from polluted water, I fear its not going to be many.
This is why thousands are protesting in Israel, including families of the hostages who are regularly fired on with water-cannons. The longer this goes on, the less likely they are going to get their families back.

That's all very sadly true DemRed.

I just see this getting worse, even moreso as long as Netanyahu stays in control.
It's frightening and desperately sad for the ordinary citizens of both sides.

Netanyahu won't even listen to his strongest allies.
Only the dangerous voices making up his despicable government.

[Beso]

I hope the hostages are safe and they get out alive, but this bombing has been so catastrophic, along with starvation and disease from polluted water, I fear its not going to be many.
This is why thousands are protesting in Israel, including families of the hostages who are regularly fired on with water-cannons. The longer this goes on, the less likely they are going to get their families back.



You've kind of twisted what happened on memorial day...there were 2 rallies, one was against Netanyahu, the other one, the families of the hostages one was still calling for the return of the living and dead hostages, and for there to be no wavering until they are all back so they can be reunited with family or laid to rest by family.


Why dont the Palestinians protest for the release of the hostages?

[Crimson Dynamo]

YOu would think their neighbours Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon would help or at least some of the rich gulf states

looks like the Palestine people have few friends in that area, which is a puzzle

:sad:

[user104658]

YOu would think their neighbours Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon would help or at least some of the rich gulf states

looks like the Palestine people have few friends in that area, which is a puzzle

:sad:

It's not a very big "puzzle" - how do you imagine these countries got rich?

Do you need a hand with these as well Trumpet :skull: :skull: :joker:

https://i.imgur.com/UeM5E9W.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

At this very moment, Hamas terrorists are still holding innocent Israelis hostage.

These people decided to tear down posters of those hostages and stuff them in bin liners.

This incident took place yesterday at 18:00 on Limes Avenue in Golders Green, north London.

If you have further information, please e-mail contact@antisemitism.org

Jews aren’t even free to remember kidnapped Jews in Golders Green.

VIDEO BELOW

https://x.com/nice_cuppa/status/1790040081295683960

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UN now says 50% fewer women and children have been killed than previously reported.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/un-revises-gaza-death-toll-105418677.html?guccounter=1

[Liam-]

The ‘good guys’ btw

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1789984844065198090?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1790035009027317822?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Oliver_W]

The ‘good guys’ btw

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1789984844065198090?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1790035009027317822?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Who ever said random non-government thugs were the good guys?

[Beso]

71 percent of the Palestinian population supported Hamas's actions on oct 7th, maybe they see it only fair to take 71 percent of the aid.

[DemRed]

You've kind of twisted what happened on memorial day...there were 2 rallies, one was against Netanyahu, the other one, the families of the hostages one was still calling for the return of the living and dead hostages, and for there to be no wavering until they are all back so they can be reunited with family or laid to rest by family.


Why dont the Palestinians protest for the release of the hostages?

I haven't twisted anything! Protests haven't just happened on memorial day. There are regular protests.

As for the Palestinians, if they aren't dead, injured, starved or diseased and if they still had their homes and access to warm clothing, who knows what they would do, but right now, they have their own despair.