Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

[Cherie]

Two more Hostages have been released
to the Red Cross

Good news

[arista]

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[arista]

[Hamas frees two more Gaza hostages: Yochved Lifsh***z, 85,
and Nurit Cooper, 79, are seen for the first time
after being released by terror group after its leader
said all captives will be released if Israel meets the right conditions]



[Two woman hostages identified as
85-year-old Yochved Lifsh***z (left) and
Nurit Cooper (right), 79, have been released
from Hamas captivity in Gaza after 16 days,
with new footage showing the dramatic moment
they were handed over to the Red Cross]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12663113/hamas-leader-gaza-civilian-hostages-freed-israel-meets-conditions.html

The 85 year old Surname has a banned word in it
hence the ***


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/23/21/76908613-12663113-image-a-18_1698094412193.jpg

Red cross medical,
check one

[arista]

This was the First two released
Mother and Daughter
a few days back.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/23/18/76820485-12663113-Judith_Tai_Raanan_and_her_daughter_Natalie_Shoshan a_Raanan_arriv-a-25_1698083896171.jpg

[Cherie]

Speaking of propaganda...
l
How anyone can take that seriously is beyond me

you two sound like Holocaust deniers at this stage, the Israelis have released body cam footage from Hamas terrorists now due to people refusing to believe any atrocites were carried out, shameful that they have to do this, not saying bombing Gaza is any better but no one is denying that is happening

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/israel-hamas-footage-released-attacks-idf-graphic-reporters-sobbed/

[Liam-]

Holocaust deniers, give your head a wobble :joker:

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1716580520472072632?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

I’m sure the anti-cancel culture, free speech brigade will be outraged by this… right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

sees left-wing troll account of owen jones

stops reading

[user104658]

you two sound like Holocaust deniers at this stage, the Israelis have released body cam footage from Hamas terrorists now due to people refusing to believe any atrocites were carried out, shameful that they have to do this, not saying bombing Gaza is any better but no one is denying that is happening

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/israel-hamas-footage-released-attacks-idf-graphic-reporters-sobbed/

Pointing out that that tweet is propaganda is in no way contingent on the truth of the claim made or on believing that Hamas have carried out other attrocities. The style, focus and intent of the tweet is clear propaganda. CLEAR propaganda. Perhaps misunderstanding that propaganda is necessarily un-truthful is what makes people more susceptible to progaganda? "This doesn't seem to be definitely factually false, therefore it isn't propaganda". Hmm.

I stand by the opinion that its (extremely unsubtle) war propaganda, of the type that is used to justify genocide. Of - in fact - the very same sort that was used in the lead up to WW2. All too familiar, which is a VERY odd situation.

Screeching "holocaust deniers!!!" is just some Godwin lark that I'm not really inclined to pay any attention to at all. It is literally the prototypical strawman.

[UserSince2005]

PM Sunak sending £20 Millions to Gaza

this better be warheads and Israel is the courier?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Beso]

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unfortunatly I saw that one on facebook.

[bots]

Pointing out that that tweet is propaganda is in no way contingent on the truth of the claim made or on believing that Hamas have carried out other attrocities. The style, focus and intent of the tweet is clear propaganda. CLEAR propaganda. Perhaps misunderstanding that propaganda is necessarily un-truthful is what makes people more susceptible to progaganda? "This doesn't seem to be definitely factually false, therefore it isn't propaganda". Hmm.

I stand by the opinion that its (extremely unsubtle) war propaganda, of the type that is used to justify genocide. Of - in fact - the very same sort that was used in the lead up to WW2. All too familiar, which is a VERY odd situation.

Screeching "holocaust deniers!!!" is just some Godwin lark that I'm not really inclined to pay any attention to at all. It is literally the prototypical strawman.

i would like to see if you remain calm and objective if all your family and friends have just been slaughtered. We cannot conceive how the people in Israel feel when all their nearest neighbouring countries want to wipe them out and have stated it proudly. Israel have never once said they want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, even after all this

[user104658]

i would like to see if you remain calm and objective if all your family and friends have just been slaughtered. We cannot conceive how the people in Israel feel when all their nearest neighbouring countries want to wipe them out and have stated it proudly. Israel have never once said they want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, even after all this

You're conflating "understandable" with "beyond criticism" again BOTS. Yes it's understandable that the people directly involved in (any) conflict will have extreme emotions and an accompanying lack of objectivity, which is why it's important that those who are NOT directly involved remain objective and level-headed enough to call out those extremes, rather than piggybacking on the emotion.

I've said before (and meant it) that I'd press a button that kills the entire world to save my family. I would. I would genuinely hit the button. I wouldn't hesitate. But in the cold light of day when that's not a situation I'm in ... I can still say if there's a bystander stood next to me watching me about to push the button, I hope they would try to stop me, and not just say "Ahh I get where you're coming from, have at it".

[user104658]

Israel have never once said they want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, even after all this

Just on this part... of course they've never said it :umm2:. Their intent and desire has been clear for... erm... about 75 years. That's not to say they want to kill everyone there. I think they'd be just as happy if they all simply left. But they do want the land. They just ... do.

[Livia]

[Hamas frees two more Gaza hostages: Yochved Lifsh***z, 85,
and Nurit Cooper, 79, are seen for the first time
after being released by terror group after its leader
said all captives will be released if Israel meets the right conditions]



[Two woman hostages identified as
85-year-old Yochved Lifsh***z (left) and
Nurit Cooper (right), 79, have been released
from Hamas captivity in Gaza after 16 days,
with new footage showing the dramatic moment
they were handed over to the Red Cross]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12663113/hamas-leader-gaza-civilian-hostages-freed-israel-meets-conditions.html

The 85 year old Surname has a banned word in it
hence the ***


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/23/21/76908613-12663113-image-a-18_1698094412193.jpg

Red cross medical,
check one

Her name is Yochved Lifschitz

[bots]

Macron says the same international coalition which has fought the Islamic State group since 2014 could also "fight" against Hamas.

"[Israel] is not alone... France is ready for the coalition which is fighting in Iraq and Syria against IS to also fight against Hamas," Macron says.

Macron also warns the militant group Hezbollah and Iran against opening a new front on Israel's northern border.

Further escalation in the north would "open the door to a regional conflagration from which every party would lose", he says.

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That's a pretty intense escalation

[Cherie]

Pointing out that that tweet is propaganda is in no way contingent on the truth of the claim made or on believing that Hamas have carried out other attrocities. The style, focus and intent of the tweet is clear propaganda. CLEAR propaganda. Perhaps misunderstanding that propaganda is necessarily un-truthful is what makes people more susceptible to progaganda? "This doesn't seem to be definitely factually false, therefore it isn't propaganda". Hmm.

I stand by the opinion that its (extremely unsubtle) war propaganda, of the type that is used to justify genocide. Of - in fact - the very same sort that was used in the lead up to WW2. All too familiar, which is a VERY odd situation.

Screeching "holocaust deniers!!!" is just some Godwin lark that I'm not really inclined to pay any attention to at all. It is literally the prototypical strawman.

I really don't know why you need to sink to this kind of baity mocking behaviour in practically every post you make, in the post immediately after yours Liam practically said it never happened, I assumed you meant the same, I typed it, it wasn't screeched which makes it should like I was hysterical.

Originally Posted by Liam- View Post
How anyone can take that seriously is beyond me

[Alf]

PM Sunak sending £20 Millions to GazaMoney laundering set of bastards. With our money.

[user104658]

I really don't know why you need to sink to this kind of baity mocking behaviour in practically every post you make

You can't reasonably brand people "holocaust deniers" out of right field, on a thread about Israel/Palestine, and then accuse others of baiting, Cherie. Really :idc:.

[user104658]

Money laundering set of bastards. With our money.

You must know that the military-industrial complex has a strong vested interest in supporting Israel in escalating bombing campaigns/ground invasions of Gaza and especially in escalating the conflict to Yemen, Iran, etc. Alf? Surely the anti-NWO boards are absolutely buzzing with ideas about the real motivations behind this conflict.

I haven't seen you post much on this thread though.

I suppose possible false flag hospital bombings are a bit more serious than Hunter Biden's Laptop. A bit too real.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

You can't reasonably brand people "holocaust deniers" out of right field, on a thread about Israel/Palestine, and then accuse others of baiting, Cherie. Really :idc:.

I said you sounded like....not that you were the reason they released the video is because there are people who believe Hamas didnt murder or torture anyone

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1716638953678467506?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

It was never about hostages, it’s about the eradication of Palestinians so Israel can take the rest of their land for itself

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1716638953678467506?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

It was never about hostages, it’s about the eradication of Palestinians so Israel can take the rest of their land for itself

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

These pro "Palestine" demos look very similar to BLM ones

:think:

[Alf]

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1716683522763608342?s=20Chickens for KFC. Turkeys for Christmas.

And the gays don't realise or appreciate that we're the one's defending them when we say that. We don't need to, but it's in our nature too, because we're civilised. They think we're the homophobes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is brought to you by the UK Labour party

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[user104658]

I said you sounded like....not that you were the reason they released the video is because there are people who believe Hamas didnt murder or torture anyone

Yes just like there are people who don't believe that an Israeli air strike hit a hospital in Gaza: the whole conflict is saturated with misinformation and propaganda.

I'm really the opposite of a holocaust denier:

1) I believe that Hamas has committed terrorist atrocities in Israel

2) I believe that Israel has committed war crimes and deliberately targetted civilians and hospitals

Because this is a vicious conflict with no "right side of history" to be on, other than to feel empathy for the innocent people caught in the middle of a global-politican melting pot that is -- AS ALWAYS -- about land and resources, nothing else.

[Cherie]

Yes just like there are people who don't believe that an Israeli air strike hit a hospital in Gaza: the whole conflict is saturated with misinformation and propaganda.

I'm really the opposite of a holocaust denier:

1) I believe that Hamas has committed terrorist atrocities in Israel

2) I believe that Israel has committed war crimes and deliberately targetted civilians and hospitals

Because this is a vicious conflict with no "right side of history" to be on, other than to feel empathy for the innocent people caught in the middle of a global-politican melting pot that is -- AS ALWAYS -- about land and resources, nothing else.


agree

[MTVN]

Yes just like there are people who don't believe that an Israeli air strike hit a hospital in Gaza: the whole conflict is saturated with misinformation and propaganda.

I'm really the opposite of a holocaust denier:

1) I believe that Hamas has committed terrorist atrocities in Israel

2) I believe that Israel has committed war crimes and deliberately targetted civilians and hospitals

Because this is a vicious conflict with no "right side of history" to be on, other than to feel empathy for the innocent people caught in the middle of a global-politican melting pot that is -- AS ALWAYS -- about land and resources, nothing else.

Both Biden and Sunak have said the intelligence suggests it was most likely a Hamas rocket which caused that explosion.

I suppose you'll say that's propoganda but not sure why the alternative explanation - that it was an Israeli strike - is apparently so ironclad?

[DemolitionRed]

Israel bombs & destroy the Greek Orthodox Church of Saint Porphyrius in Gaza which is the THIRD OLDEST CHRISTIAN temple in the WORLD and largest one in Palestine killing 19 Christians 9 of them children.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1714355272930484391

[DemolitionRed]

Both Biden and Sunak have said the intelligence suggests it was most likely a Hamas rocket which caused that explosion.

I suppose you'll say that's propoganda but not sure why the alternative explanation - that it was an Israeli strike - is apparently so ironclad?

Well of course they said that. They are after all, on the side of Israel.

Two weeks before all this started, Netanyahu showed a map during the General Assembly of the United Nations which showed permanently eliminating Gaza. The map of where once Gaza was, shows it now belonging to Israel and is called 'The New Map of the Middle East.

[Liam-]

An Israeli official tweeted out and took credit for Israel bombing the hospital before it was taken down so the propaganda could start being put out

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[user104658]

Both Biden and Sunak have said the intelligence suggests it was most likely a Hamas rocket which caused that explosion.

I suppose you'll say that's propoganda but not sure why the alternative explanation - that it was an Israeli strike - is apparently so ironclad?

Because of Occam's Razor, is the short answer. Hamas was supposedly in the hospital, Israel had made it clear that they were striking Hamas targets regardless of "human shields", Israel initially took "credit" for the attack and then withdrew and - when the extend of collateral damage was clear - changed the story to it being a Hamas misfire and/or false flag depending on who was speaking. They also released footage "proving" that it was a misfired Hamas rocket that was debunked as having been historical footage. Then removed that too.

Biden and Sunak saying it was a Hamas rocket means as little as Blair and Bush's WMD's in Iraq. Convenient fiction. I won't say it's propaganda because that's not what propaganda is.

[bots]

This is just another example of how war blinds people to reality. The UN saying that there is no fuel to run hospitals, but hamas has been stockpiling it. The UN secretary general justifying the slaughter of israeli innocents by terrorists. War clouds peoples judgements. Life is complicated, war is complicated. No-one wins in a war really. Israel will still face terror attacks even if it completely wipes out hamas. To stop it being attacked, it would need to wipe out nearly every country in the middle east.

This is why we in the west need to be super careful it doesn't escalate because it could easily be a WW3 trigger point and create massive civil unrest in the countries themselves. World demographics are in no way comparable to what was presented in WW2

[arista]

This is the trouble
some will die this week.

But Hamas must die.
the IDF demand.

[Beso]

These pro "Palestine" demos look very similar to BLM ones

:think:

Yes, the commies and trans have jumped on board..

Silly fools would be first to go if things changed

[arista]

The Turkish Leader
said he backs Hamas,
in his Parliament


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-hamas-is-not-terrorist-organisation-2023-10-25/

[bots]

The Turkish Leader
said he backs Hamas,
in his Parliament


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-hamas-is-not-terrorist-organisation-2023-10-25/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has described Hamas as "a liberation group" waging a battle to protect its land, in comments that will cause deep anger in Israel.

Hamas - or in some cases its military wing - has been designated a terrorist group by Israel, the US, the EU and the UK, as well as other countries.

More than 1,400 people were killed in Hamas's attacks on Israel on 7 October, mostly civilians targeted in communities near the Gaza border.

In a fiery speech in Turkey's parliament, Erdogan said he was cancelling plans to visit Israel.

He said he had shaken the hand of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, but that Netanyahu had abused Turkey's good intentions.

The two leaders met last month at a UN summit in New York - in what was seen at the time as another significant sign of improved relations between their countries.

[MTVN]

Because of Occam's Razor, is the short answer. Hamas was supposedly in the hospital, Israel had made it clear that they were striking Hamas targets regardless of "human shields", Israel initially took "credit" for the attack and then withdrew and - when the extend of collateral damage was clear - changed the story to it being a Hamas misfire and/or false flag depending on who was speaking. They also released footage "proving" that it was a misfired Hamas rocket that was debunked as having been historical footage. Then removed that too.

Biden and Sunak saying it was a Hamas rocket means as little as Blair and Bush's WMD's in Iraq. Convenient fiction. I won't say it's propaganda because that's not what propaganda is.

Is there a link to this? I thought Israel claimed it was Hamas very early on. I actually don't think it's that likely that they would intentionally strike a hospital. There was also footage of rockets being launched right by the hospital which was independently verified by the BBC I believe.

To me the pictures from the site don't suggest a missile strike - no big crater, little damage to the structure, just a few burned out cars etc.

[UserSince2005]

I'm still so devastated by what happen on the 7-Oct.

It was so so evil.

I watched the video of a the family whos daughter had just been murdered and the kids crying. Just horrific.

Gaza needs bombing more until all the evil terrorists are dead. Every single last one of them.

[arista]

I'm still so devastated by what happen on the 7-Oct.

It was so so evil.

I watched the video of a the family whos daughter had just been murdered and the kids crying. Just horrific.

Gaza needs bombing more until all the evil terrorists are dead. Every single last one of them.


But Bombing Gaza
Kills the Public.
Does not get Hamas
they are deep in tunnels

[arista]

And pathetic Turkish Leader
backs Hamas

[arista]

The Israeli Leader
just went Live
saying he will go in and Kill all Hamas
"Named them the Axis of Evi"

Still not saying when he will go in.

[Zizu]

The Israeli Leader
just went Live
saying he will go in and Kill all Hamas
"Named them the Axis of Evi"

Still not saying when he will go in.


I read somewhere that they ( Hamas) were hiding in another country and have been since the initial attack ?!!


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[arista]

Today Sunak PM
sent a Plane to Egypt
full of Aid for Gaza.

[Zizu]

Today Sunak PM
sent a Plane to Egypt
full of Aid for Gaza.


Wonder what the chances are of it getting to the people who need it though


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[arista]

Wonder what the chances are of it getting to the people who need it though



Slow to get in.

[arista]

Israel, has stated
Hamas has Fuel.

Hospitals need to get, it from them?


Hamas based in tunnels,
still has full control of Gaza.


Meanwhile,
Hospitals no longer can drive
to pick up.

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[Nicky91]

but not saying anything about the deaths of innocent palestinians


oh Benjamin you could've won some goodwill from me if only you sympathized with the deaths of the innocents in Gaza, rather than solely obsessing over exterminating Hamas whatever the cost


the innocent palestinian victims aren't just ''collateral damage'' or ''numbers'' they have names, they left families behind too


if you want peace between Israel and Palestine, first step is to sympathize with the victims families over in Gaza


but yeah Hamas must be wiped out i agree, the way they are hiding behind several palestinian innocents is also pretty much disgusting (even having put up roadblocks few weeks ago to prevent palestinians from leaving Gaza)

[Oliver_W]

Israel, has stated
Hamas has Fuel.

Hospitals need to get, it from them?


Hamas based in tunnels,
still has full control of Gaza.


Meanwhile,
Hospitals no longer can drive
to pick up.

Hamas don't care about the hospitals or their citizens.

[arista]

Hamas don't care about the hospitals or their citizens.


Of Course
but they are the Official Government.


So it is correct
to say it is their duty.

[arista]

Deputy Prime Minister
is having a Cobra Meeting
as soon as he has done all his press.

To debate about the UK Nationals,
being held as hostage by Hamas
in their tunnels.
And also more Humanitarian Aid for Gaza.

[Oliver_W]

Of Course
but they are the Official Government.


So it is correct
to say it is their duty.

There hasn't been an election there since like 2006 and they killed all their vocal political opponents, they're hardly a legitimate government :joker:

[arista]

There hasn't been an election there since like 2006 and they killed all their vocal political opponents, they're hardly a legitimate government :joker:


Sad
but they are stuck with Hamas

And the Leaders are safe in other nations

So Israel is not getting rid of Hamas.

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[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/_waqastufail/status/1717201410356367763?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[arista]

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Evil
he needs to be Jailed

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/_waqastufail/status/1717201410356367763?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Disgusting, easy target as well, and on her own, would he have been so brave if it were a man

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[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/aliabunimah/status/1717487402724335975?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Can we stop pretending that Israel isn’t purposefully targeting innocent civilians now? Or will we still be called antisemites for having the audacity to call out their atrocities?

[bots]

well, hamas hide behind civilians, silly to pretend otherwise. They care nothing for their own peoples lives

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/dailyloud/status/1717594593514889300?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Intimidating students because they dared have a different opinion than the one Israel wants to force everybody to have, disgusting

[Ninastar]

Tbf there’s been lots of aggression towards Jews because of all of this too.

People are stupid for attacking anyone of any religion. Small minded idiots.

[UserSince2005]

More bombs for Gaza please. The evil that lies inside is festering and must be destroyed

[arista]

Tbf there’s been lots of aggression towards Jews because of all of this too.

People are stupid for attacking anyone of any religion. Small minded idiots.



HAMAS are like ISIS
now.


That is Evil to the people of Gaza
As well

[arista]

More bombs for Gaza please. The evil that lies inside is festering and must be destroyed


But that kills the Local People


Hamas are Hidden in deep tunnels

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[user104658]

well, hamas hide behind civilians, silly to pretend otherwise. They care nothing for their own peoples lives

So let's say a man has committed a mass shooting, then goes home to his wife and kids, and the police show up outside. The man is armed and firing at them from a window. There's no way to bust in, the police can only attack from the outside. The innocent wife and children are in the room with the killer, and they can't leave; all of the doors are locked and barricaded. The killer has totally snapped, he doesn't care about his family dying any more, he wants to take them with him whatever happens.

...essentially what you're saying is, the police would then be justified in throwing a grenade in the window, and blowing them all to pieces.

If you read that story in the paper, would you say "Ahh well, he was hiding behind those kids :shrug:"

If not, I'd urge you to explain how the situation in Palestine isn't the same, multiplied by ten thousand dead children.

This "They use them as human shields so oh well!" argument is constantly being used to defend war crimes and atrocities. We don't accept it in life. We wouldn't accept a police officer shooting a kid in the head to hit the terrorist literally holding a child in front of himself in a UK airport. Everyone would be utterly horrified. "A million dead children is a statistic", and all that bull**** I suppose.

[Ninastar]

HAMAS are like ISIS
now.


That is Evil to the people of Gaza
As well

I don’t see Hamas or Isis as religions, I just see them as terrorists. They deserve all the hate and hostility. No one else

[arista]

I don’t see Hamas or Isis as religions, I just see them as terrorists. They deserve all the hate and hostility. No one else


Trouble is they blocked many Public from leaving.

HAMAS under the public in
tunnels with air pumped in
using their Fuel.

[bots]

So let's say a man has committed a mass shooting, then goes home to his wife and kids, and the police show up outside. The man is armed and firing at them from a window. There's no way to bust in, the police can only attack from the outside. The innocent wife and children are in the room with the killer, and they can't leave; all of the doors are locked and barricaded. The killer has totally snapped, he doesn't care about his family dying any more, he wants to take them with him whatever happens.

...essentially what you're saying is, the police would then be justified in throwing a grenade in the window, and blowing them all to pieces.

If you read that story in the paper, would you say "Ahh well, he was hiding behind those kids :shrug:"

If not, I'd urge you to explain how the situation in Palestine isn't the same, multiplied by ten thousand dead children.

This "They use them as human shields so oh well!" argument is constantly being used to defend war crimes and atrocities. We don't accept it in life. We wouldn't accept a police officer shooting a kid in the head to hit the terrorist literally holding a child in front of himself in a UK airport. Everyone would be utterly horrified. "A million dead children is a statistic", and all that bull**** I suppose.

you are making a false straw man. You know exactly what game hamas are playing

[bots]

America attacked targets in Syria overnight linked to iran

[UserSince2005]

But that kills the Local People


Hamas are Hidden in deep tunnels

No concerns for the actual innocents killed in Israel was there. Barbaric. And they celebrated!

[user104658]

you are making a false straw man. You know exactly what game hamas are playing

Its not a strawman it's a clear and obvious parallel. You can't justify it and you know why you can't.

And you don't know what a strawman argument is but that's just standard Tibb SD's so whatever.

[joeysteele]

So let's say a man has committed a mass shooting, then goes home to his wife and kids, and the police show up outside. The man is armed and firing at them from a window. There's no way to bust in, the police can only attack from the outside. The innocent wife and children are in the room with the killer, and they can't leave; all of the doors are locked and barricaded. The killer has totally snapped, he doesn't care about his family dying any more, he wants to take them with him whatever happens.

...essentially what you're saying is, the police would then be justified in throwing a grenade in the window, and blowing them all to pieces.

If you read that story in the paper, would you say "Ahh well, he was hiding behind those kids :shrug:"

If not, I'd urge you to explain how the situation in Palestine isn't the same, multiplied by ten thousand dead children.

This "They use them as human shields so oh well!" argument is constantly being used to defend war crimes and atrocities. We don't accept it in life. We wouldn't accept a police officer shooting a kid in the head to hit the terrorist literally holding a child in front of himself in a UK airport. Everyone would be utterly horrified. "A million dead children is a statistic", and all that bull**** I suppose.

The truth there is the police or even army would be criticised and condemned if they threw a grenade into that scenario killing the innocent family too.

That's a very strong argument and point there SB.

Very thought provoking

[arista]

No concerns for the actual innocents killed in Israel was there. Barbaric. And they celebrated!

That public are stuck with Hamas
no elections

Gaza Public do not want a War

[arista]

America attacked targets in Syria overnight linked to Iran


Yes,
some USA Troops are still in Syria
so I understand that.

[arista]

Yesterday
Hamas Leaders were in Russia
meeting their mate Putin.


Meanwhile, Israel confirmed
229 hostages still stuck in Gaza

[Zizu]

Yesterday
Hamas Leaders were in Russia
meeting their mate Putin.


Meanwhile, Israel confirmed
229 hostages still stuck in Gaza


Pity they couldn’t take them all out at the same time somehow


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[user104658]

Pity they couldn’t take them all out at the same time somehow

Taking out the Hamas leadership wouldn't have any greater effect than SEAL Team Six assassinating Osama Bin Laden did in 2011.

i.e. none at all.

Global politics very rarely hinges on individuals.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/mattbinder/status/1717648864251957365?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Oliver_W]

I don't know if that's the same person or not, but are we going to pretend that Hamas are above using crisis actors?

[Ninastar]

1717872266657124543?s=46&t=OmPDwW58cHS_AroNIgXdqA

[user104658]

I don't know if that's the same person or not, but are we going to pretend that Hamas are above using crisis actors?

"Would Hamas fake stuff?"
"Sure!"
"Would Israel fake stuff?"
"Neverrrrr how dare you, holocaust denierzzz :fist: :fist:"

:idc:

(Yes the last quote refers to other comments in this thread not yours, but the sentiment remains.)

FWIW yes I believe that Hamas (or other Palestinians, let's not conflate the two more than is already being done) would fake videos as war propaganda, because... it's war... and there's propaganda. Ukraine was using a BOATLOAD of faked footage - no one had very much to say about that. I just also believe that Israel has been false-flagging and blame shifting throughout the entire conflict. But that's a controversial opinion, for some reason. I've seen Israeli officials insisting that it's "simple", that there are "the good guys and the bad guys, there's good and there's EVILZ!" in various interviews.

Apparently that smooth-brained notion is infectious.

[arista]

Gaza now dark
we see more attacks from Israeli Missiles

[bots]

looks like israel have started their ground offensive

[Liam-]

Let’s see if they can manage to go a few minutes without killing innocent people and children

[arista]

Internet Cut in Gaza

[Crimson Dynamo]

looks like israel have started their ground offensive

hopefully, all the terrorists will be eradicated

[arista]

hopefully, all the terrorists will be eradicated



Not all,
some are in other nations

[user104658]

hopefully, all the terrorists will be eradicated

Yes that's what usually happens when a large scale ground offensive begins after a terrorist attack. Many great success stories to choose from. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iraq the other time, Afghanistan, Afghanistan...

[user104658]

Not all,
some are in other nations

History proves that far from "eradicating" the terrorists, it will prompt a massive increase in recruitment for terrorist organisations across the entire middle east, and there will be more terrorism than before. We know this. Everyone here - if they'll stop playing pretend-incredulous for 5 minutes - knows this. None of us are that young. We've all seen it at least once. Plenty here more than once.

[Liam-]

Israel are probably hoping that if they murder enough Palestinian children other countries will be too scared to challenge them and their narratives

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel are probably hoping that if they murder enough Palestinian children other countries will be too scared to challenge them and their narratives

:bored:

[UserSince2005]

Finally action is taking place about the atrocities hamas commit. Enjoy ****ers :laugh:

[UserSince2005]

Let’s see if they can manage to go a few minutes without killing innocent people and children

They were warned to leave over a week go. What parents would stay in Gaza city with their children? Literally using children as human shields. It’s disgusting.

[UserSince2005]

Israel everyone knows you have nukes. Don’t be shy :laugh:

[Liam-]

The UK abstaining on a UN vote on a ceasefire is utterly shameful

[arista]

Finally action is taking place about the atrocities hamas commit. Enjoy ****ers :laugh:


Unlike Hamas
it is not on Facebook Live feed


Evil Hamas
After killing a Israel Mother
in that easy zone kibbutz,
they went on her open laptop
clicked her Live Facebook feed
all her family & friends viewed her Dead

[arista]

The UK abstaining on a UN vote on a ceasefire is utterly shameful


Starmer Labour Leader
and Sunak, UK PM

Both ask for a "pause"

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/10/28/f345a5f9-05a7-41bf-a361-e91e6b559415.jpg

[UserSince2005]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/10/28/f345a5f9-05a7-41bf-a361-e91e6b559415.jpg

Until Gaza city no longer exists the job will not be done. The north of Gaza now needs to be turn into a no man’s land buffer zone after what has happened. I’m sure this is Israel’s objective right now.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands also abstained from that UN vote

[UserSince2005]

Netherlands also abstained from that UN vote

Only the brave

[arista]

Until Gaza city no longer exists the job will not be done. The north of Gaza now needs to be turn into a no man’s land buffer zone after what has happened. I’m sure this is Israel’s objective right now.


But that place has
the Gaza Public, living in.


Israel can start a Bigger War
making all this worse.



Hamas have the 200 or so
hostages - in their tunnels
that's why this has gone wrong

[user104658]

Until Gaza city no longer exists the job will not be done. The north of Gaza now needs to be turn into a no man’s land buffer zone after what has happened. I’m sure this is Israel’s objective right now.

You're accusing Israel of having the objective of committing war crimes? Watch out, LT will pretend to be disgusted by your comments in a minute.

[bots]

i wonder what the odds are now of this all escalating out of control.

Russia will be stirring it up to try and take attention away from ukraine

[arista]

Yes,
Putin meeting Hamas leaders
in Moscow,
did not help.

[arista]

2 million, Public stuck in Gaza.

Live on LBC now

The Tunnels

[user104658]

i wonder what the odds are now of this all escalating out of control.

Russia will be stirring it up to try and take attention away from ukraine

Russia and the US have ongoing beef over the Middl East that has nothing to do with Ukraine, and if it spirals "out of control" then it's not out of control at all, its a completely controlled and deliberate land grab.

At this point anyone who can't see what's happening is either completely biased/blinkered, or doesn't know their Middle East politics/recent history.

[UserSince2005]

But that place has
the Gaza Public, living in.


The public left over a week ago when the order was given. Anyone left is Hamas or a terrorist supporter.

[arista]

The public left over a week ago when the order was given. Anyone left is Hamas or a terrorist supporter.


No
not all of them


You need to get up to date

[UserSince2005]

No
not all of them


You need to get up to date

Okay I admit the stupid and dumb may not have left. And I do feel sorry for the kiddies who’s parent wish to use them as human shields. But it just show the barbarity of them

[joeysteele]

Israel needs to just be sure it has all right on this.
They have to take out Hamas.
However they need to hold the other alliance of Nations supporting them, by doing what Hamas never do.
That's act more justly.as Israel has tried it's best to do despite strong provocation against them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

1718255501203611912?s=20


Course it does not care

Did we care about Dresden or Iraq?

THis is war not play-acting

[Liam-]

If this is Israel acting ‘justly’ then Jesus Christ

[bots]

I think the point is that the stage has been set for a massive increase in refugees fleeing war. We are kidding ourselves if we think we wont be affected by it

[arista]

Okay I admit the stupid and dumb may not have left. And I do feel sorry for the kiddies who’s parent wish to use them as human shields. But it just show the barbarity of them


Children still there
are not part of this war


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/28/12/77112679-0-image-m-1_1698493650940.jpg

[Trail of destruction left by Israel's night
of rage: Hundreds of buildings in Gaza
are turned to rubble by airstrike blitz with IDF troops
still inside enclave in 'rolling start' to invasion
as more tanks line up on border]

[UserSince2005]

I think the point is that the stage has been set for a massive increase in refugees fleeing war. We are kidding ourselves if we think we wont be affected by it

Well no one wants them. Apart from Scotland lol. They are known to cause trouble everywhere they go. Lebanon was ruined by them. Jordan has a war with them when they came to their country.

[arista]

Well no one wants them. Apart from Scotland lol. They are known to cause trouble everywhere they go. Lebanon was ruined by them. Jordan has a war with them when they came to their country.


Yes that's sad about Lebanon.

And The SNP leader in Scotland
wants them.


Not the Public in Glasgow

[Crimson Dynamo]

Noone in Scotland wants them apart from that fool Useless

People keep telling him to stop tweeting about Palestine and get back to work for Scotland

[arista]

Now getting dark in Gaza.

Many Israel Tanks now
in Gaza.
Some moved back out.


Ref: CNN HD USA Live on UK TV.

[arista]

The big problem,
Yesterday the IDF took out Phone and internet
in Gaza.

Any Left can not get the new warnings


Even worse Red Cross
need messages to save the injured

[arista]

CNN HD out there
report in Near Gaza
Rifles and Guns being shot From both sides.

The Hostages, Over 200,
are deep in the tunnels,
miles of them.
They could be killed if the IDF gets closer.

[arista]

Regarding the over 200 hostages.

The 2 old ladies were kept in a group of 25.

So a Real Problem for IDF troops
is they are in loads of tunnels
that lead to a room.


Ref:CNN HD USA on UK TV

[Oliver_W]

I think the point is that the stage has been set for a massive increase in refugees fleeing war. We are kidding ourselves if we think we wont be affected by it

Get a lid on the smugglers, pronto tbh

[Cherie]

Hamas has stockpiled vital fuel, medicines and food while ordinary Gazans are running short on essentials, reports say.

According to both Arab and Western officials, Hamas has been stockpiling supplies for years, which they have stored in tunnels they prepared for the possibility of a protracted war.

The terrorist group spent two decades building the labyrinthine network of underground tunnels, which make a central part of its defences.

The tunnel network is said to have entrances hidden beneath schools, mosques and houses and are estimated to be 300 miles long with lighting, electricity and rail tracks for transport.

A senior Lebanese official said Hamas could fight for between three and four months without the need to resupply, the New York Times reported.
When hostage Yocheved Lifshitz was released by Hamas earlier this week, the 85-year-old told of how her captors gave her food and personal hygiene supplies.

They seemed ready for this, they prepared for a long time, they had everything that men and women needed, including shampoo,” Ms Lifshitz said.

“We ate the same food they did pitas with cream cheese, melted cheese, cucumbers. That was a meal for an entire day,” she added.

Earlier this week the Israeli Defence Forces published aerial photographs of fuel tanks in a location near the Rafah border in the south of the Gaza strip.

The IDF Arabic spokesman, Avichay Adraee, said: “This is what over half a million litres of diesel looks like, while Hamas keeps claiming it does not have enough fuel to support hospitals and bakeries.”

The IDF’s post said: “Hamas-Isis steals this fuel from civilians and transfers it to its tunnels, rocket launchers and leaders. This is what Hamas’s list of priorities looks like.”

Fuel shortages
In response to the constant bombardment of Gaza, the UN humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories, Lynne Hastings, said that “hospitals & humanitarian operations can’t continue without communications”.

Between the bombardments and the fuel shortages, 12 of Gaza’s 35 hospitals have been forced to close.


The UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, said it has had to “significantly reduce its operations”.

More than than 1.4 million people inside Gaza have been displaced, according to the UN, while supplies of food, water and power to the crowded territory have been almost completely cut off.

Israel has blocked all deliveries of fuel, saying it would be exploited by Hamas to manufacture weapons and explosives.




The Palestinians can't catch a break, their own government does not care about them yet Israel is expected to?

[Crimson Dynamo]

1717966546629197858?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

1718302121748038066?s=20

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/28/22/77125419-0-image-m-14_1698528709985.jpg


[Israel unleashes 'bunker buster' bombs to destroy
Hamas' network of tunnel in Gaza:
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu vows
to 'completely eliminate evil' terror group
and 'bring back' hostages

Israel has been bombing the Gaza Strip
for three straight weeks
Over the weekend, it increased its
bombardment campaign on the enclave
Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said:
'We moved to the next stage of war']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12683929/Israel-unleashes-bunker-buster-bombs-destroy-Hamas-network-tunnel-Gaza-Israeli-PM-Benjamin-Netanyahu-vows-completely-eliminate-evil-terror-group-bring-hostages.html

[arista]

This Paper also posted
on ITV Celeb., Thread
because of the top bit only.

Sky News Text:
[The Earth shook," writes The Sun on Sunday,
as it reports that Israel hit Gaza with its
biggest bombardment yet,
in what it called a new phase of the war.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ab491448-6236-4edf-bfc3-10cfd4cd4159.jpeg

[arista]

Sky News Text:

[The Observer says that
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has
declared a "second war of independence" as fears
for civilians in Gaza grows.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d8b480f1-2ef5-4f3f-b31d-bbae6a60d077.png

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Israel has claimed its best soldiers are fighting
Hamas inside the Gaza Strip, as Benjamin Netanyahu
declared the "second stage" of a long war,
The Sunday Telegraph writes.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-debe2cec-6829-42da-966f-0e9fa6b797d5.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8EDF/production/_131557563_thesundaytimes-nc.jpg.webp

[arista]

BBC News Text:

[The Sunday Express says
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
is under mounting pressure to crackdown
on extremist groups seeking to heighten
tensions at pro-Palestinian marches.
The paper reports that MPs of all parties
voiced concern after the latest march ended
in clashes with police and cries of
"Allahu Akbar", the Arabic phrase for
"God is great".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8A93/production/_131557453_express-nc.jpg.webp

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Mail on Sunday reports that the leader of an
"extremist" Islamic group that
chanted "jihad" at a protest in London
works as an NHS GP under a different name.
Abdul Wahid spent more than 20 years
practising as a family doctor under
his real name, Dr Wahid Asif Shaida,
the paper claims.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1108F/production/_131557796_mailonsunday-nc.jpg.webp

[arista]

Right Now
it is Pitch Dark in Gaza
Missiles from Israel,
light up the sky.

Sadly, many Gaza Civilians are killed

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1718667197847867554?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Ninastar]

1718689681502597616?

:/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9pZpo_WYAAwEyn?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1d9f04e1-d7e8-4490-9a6b-5b99659f3a21.png

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Daily Mail leads with a special report from two
of its journalists on the border
with Gaza and Israel... They describe themselves
as being like "spectators in a vast, bloodied colosseum".]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-5cbbe5a6-5e43-41da-a573-683c11ffe443.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-689e22c1-aae0-4635-a6a1-8e87d404d54a.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a8fa488f-5a4f-494e-a8a3-5a9e6d508822.png

[arista]

Sky News Text:

[Civil order is beginning to collapse in Gaza,
The Guardian reports.
The paper was quoting Thomas White,
the Gaza director for the UN's agency
for Palestinian refugees.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-691a7ba1-7bce-4f4a-bf6c-e9f2aba48c2d.png

[Mystic Mock]

BBC News Text:

[The Sunday Express says
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
is under mounting pressure to crackdown
on extremist groups seeking to heighten
tensions at pro-Palestinian marches.
The paper reports that MPs of all parties
voiced concern after the latest march ended
in clashes with police and cries of
"Allahu Akbar", the Arabic phrase for
"God is great".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8A93/production/_131557453_express-nc.jpg.webp

I didn't know that Kenny from BBCAN2 was bringing his catchphrase to the pro-Palestine march.

But seriously the only way peace will be achieved at this point is for both Israel and Hamas to reach a compromise.

For example:
1. Israel keeps Jerusalem.

2. Palestine becomes an independent country from Israel.

3. They both have to sign a treaty to never harm each other for the next 50 years+

Obviously I'm not a Politician, but I'm sure they should be able to get these two communities to reach a compromise, otherwise why the **** are they Politicians in the first place if they can't resolve conflicts?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9Yh7H_WMAA-dtZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9DqEXxX0AAEfPD?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

From Thursday
just gone.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8yYuWRWMAAbP5P?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

As posted already

The Mass Public in Gaza
Broke the doors
to loot all the stock in a Warehouse.

As they need supplies
and water


This is to be expected

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9n1JheXwAAgKhG?format=jpg&name=900x900

[joeysteele]

From Thursday
just gone.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8yYuWRWMAAbP5P?format=jpg&name=900x900

I usually find using desperate war situations in any cartoon sense really disrespectful.

The trauma, fear of loss of everything and life are not things to joke about.

However that caption in this one posted by arista.
May come to be more apt than maybe many would think or expect to come to be.

I just wish more was being done to independently monitor the aid needed in Gaza.
Plus get us some real reliable truth out too.

My sympathies lie with Israel against Hamas, absolutely.
However wrong Hamas are though it can never be likely that two wrongs will come to make a right .
This is a desperately sad time and frightening time for those it appears trapped in Gaza

[Nicky91]

my sympathies more lie with the innocents from both sides



Israel has the perfect excuse now to invade Palestine's land, with their ''fighting terrorists'' nonsense


they have been against Palestine since 1948, and Hamas doesn't exist that long ;)

[bots]

I usually find using desperate war situations in any cartoon sense really disrespectful.

The trauma, fear of loss of everything and life are not things to joke about.

However that caption in this one posted by arista.
May come to be more apt than maybe many would think or expect to come to be.

I just wish more was being done to independently monitor the aid needed in Gaza.
Plus get us some real reliable truth out too.

My sympathies lie with Israel against Hamas, absolutely.
However wrong Hamas are though it can never be likely that two wrongs will come to make a right .
This is a desperately sad time and frightening time for those it appears trapped in Gaza

pretty much all the news coming out of there now is misinformation of one form or another and what i find striking is that the media just parrot it.

We shouldn't look at specifics, because they can always be manipulated

[Nicky91]

i am also sick of me being called antisemitic, because i am NOT that


also sick of being told to shut up



the only good thing we can do is show sympathy for the innocents on both sides in this way too long taking conflict


also israel won't exterminate Hamas, since they aren't only in palestine, but also in some of the safer middle eastern countries (at least their leaders are)

[arista]

PM Sunak has held a Cobra meeting
today:


Debating,
what is going on in Russia
Violent Mob going after any Jews that landed
in a airport.


Making sure the UK does not get like that.

[Livia]

i am also sick of me being called antisemitic, because i am NOT that


also sick of being told to shut up



the only good thing we can do is show sympathy for the innocents on both sides in this way too long taking conflict


also israel won't exterminate Hamas, since they aren't only in palestine, but also in some of the safer middle eastern countries (at least their leaders are)


I've found that everyone who says anti-Semitic things go on to object to being called anti-Semitic.


I'd also just like to say to those demanding a ceasefire, there was a ceasefire. It was broken on 7th October by Hamas.

[user104658]

pretty much all the news coming out of there now is misinformation of one form or another and what I find striking is that the media just parrot it.


It only seems "odd" because this is one of the first conflicts on this scale since Social Media took off; there's no more or less misinformation than there ever has been in war, and the media has always dutifully reported it in this way. There was just no large mainstream counter-narrative or alternative sources of information.

But I can guarantee that there's nothing substantially different about the media narratives around this war than around the Gulf wars, Vietnam, World Wars, Roman Empire...

[Cherie]

The devastated mum of a 22-year-old woman kidnapped by Hamas militants on October 7 has confirmed she has died after being given false hope.

Shani Louk, a tattoo artist from Germany, was attending the Supernova festival in southern Israel and was among the hostages taken to Gaza. A horrifying video shared widely online showed Shani's partially clothed body being carried through the streets on the back of a pick-up truck driven by Hamas gunmen, but her mum Ricarda said she had received a tip-off that her daughter was still alive. However the grief-stricken parent has now announced she's been told Shani is dead.

She told German broadcaster RTL/ntv: "Unfortunately, we received the news yesterday that my daughter is no longer alive." Her sister Adi also confirmed the death of Shani on a post on Instagram, writing: "It is with great sadness that we announce the death of my sister." The circumstances around her death remain unclear and it is not known where her body was found. There has been no official confirmation from the German Foreign Ministry.

A cousin of the woman said the family received an official notice from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and ZAKA, a voluntary team of paramedics, saying that a bone from the base of a skull had been found - and matched Shani's DNA. According to The Jerusalem Post, doctors concluded she could not possibly be still alive as a person cannot live without the bone found.

After Shani was kidnapped, her mum shared a distressing video begging for help, saying: "This morning my daughter, Shani Nicole Louk, was kidnapped with a group of tourists in southern Israel by Palestinian Hamas. We were sent a video in which I could clearly see our daughter unconscious in the car with the Palestinians and them driving around the Gaza Strip. I ask you to send us any help or any news. Thank you very much."

She was probably dead when they paraded her around poor girl

[Cherie]

1718689681502597616?

:/

James O'Brien led with this story this morning, horrifying

[arista]

The devastated mum of a 22-year-old woman kidnapped by Hamas militants on October 7 has confirmed she has died after being given false hope.

Shani Louk, a tattoo artist from Germany, was attending the Supernova festival in southern Israel and was among the hostages taken to Gaza. A horrifying video shared widely online showed Shani's partially clothed body being carried through the streets on the back of a pick-up truck driven by Hamas gunmen, but her mum Ricarda said she had received a tip-off that her daughter was still alive. However the grief-stricken parent has now announced she's been told Shani is dead.

She told German broadcaster RTL/ntv: "Unfortunately, we received the news yesterday that my daughter is no longer alive." Her sister Adi also confirmed the death of Shani on a post on Instagram, writing: "It is with great sadness that we announce the death of my sister." The circumstances around her death remain unclear and it is not known where her body was found. There has been no official confirmation from the German Foreign Ministry.

A cousin of the woman said the family received an official notice from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and ZAKA, a voluntary team of paramedics, saying that a bone from the base of a skull had been found - and matched Shani's DNA. According to The Jerusalem Post, doctors concluded she could not possibly be still alive as a person cannot live without the bone found.

After Shani was kidnapped, her mum shared a distressing video begging for help, saying: "This morning my daughter, Shani Nicole Louk, was kidnapped with a group of tourists in southern Israel by Palestinian Hamas. We were sent a video in which I could clearly see our daughter unconscious in the car with the Palestinians and them driving around the Gaza Strip. I ask you to send us any help or any news. Thank you very much."

She was probably dead when they paraded her around poor girl


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Very Sad

Evil Hamas killed her.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/30/09/77166789-12687753-Shani_Louk_22_was_kidnapped_from_Israel_to_Gaza_by _Hamas_terrori-a-2_1698658128103.jpg

Yes Cherie
real tragic aged 22
Murdered by Evil Hamas.



[Kidnapped Shani Louk is dead,
her family announces, after 'bone from the base
of her skull' is found three weeks after she was
abducted by Hamas terrorists and paraded on
the back of a truck

Shani, 22, was kidnapped from Israel to Gaza
during the deadly October 7th Attack.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12687753/Kidnapped-Shani-Louk-dead-family-announces-three-weeks-abducted-Hamas-terrorists-Nova-festival-paraded-truck.html

[arista]

There is a Group of Iran backed (Pro - Hamas)
Anti-Jewish attacks going on in the UK.

This is why there was a Cobra Meeting
today

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD

[arista]

Yesterday a Mass Public of Gaza
Broke down the Doors of the United Nations warehouse
to loot bags of rice and other food.

They have no choice.

[Cherie]

Maybe someone will explain this to me Hamas have the money, and the means to build underground tunnels and fire off rockets every day, but they can't build any infrastructure that would help the citizens of Gaza?

I heard somewhere that Palestine has money pumped into it, where is it all going...

[Ninastar]

I saw that video of Shani in the back of that car… truly horrific. I didn’t think she was alive but for her mother to be given false hope is just horrific. I can’t even imagine

[arista]

Maybe someone will explain this to me Hamas have the money, and the means to build underground tunnels and fire off rockets every day, but they can't build any infrastructure that would help the citizens of Gaza?

I heard somewhere that Palestine has money pumped into it, where is it all going...


USA gave them the money
years ago.
They diverted all funds,

[arista]

Someplace in the UK

https://twitter.com/CarverEmily/status/1719010200810553600

[Ninastar]

The fact that they had to find out about her death by skull fragment is awful. Like what did they do to her?

I keep seeing comments all over the internet about where people are skeptical and don’t believe that Hamas would do these things… and it’s mind boggling to me because if anyone were to commit horrific acts, it would be Hamas/ISIS

Like do we really have to see videos of women being raped or babies being killed to believe it? This has been happening for years and years. There’s been plenty of horrific things posted online, why is it so hard to understand how awful Hamas are?

[Z]

Someplace in the UK

https://twitter.com/CarverEmily/status/1719010200810553600

That's in the centre of Glasgow.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its all about hating jews

terrifying

[Ninastar]

its all about hating jews

terrifying

When I lived in the UK like 8 years ago, I remember hearing from my Jewish friend that synagogue’s would often have bricks thrown through their windows. It was a frequent occurrence.

I remember thinking that it was absolutely horrific to be happening when we have come so far…

And now it just seems like nothing compared to what a lot of Jews are going through daily.

Absolutely mental

[arista]

That's in the centre of Glasgow.


Thanks Z

Thats so sad
if I was shopping in there
I do not want to face a Angry - Confused Crowd


I hope GMBHD itv early debate
Features these Glasgow Extreme Muslim protest.


M&S
is a shop - no way part of this war

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[According to The Times,
civil servants recommended
that the government exclude the Israeli PM
from a major AI summit due to take place
at Bletchley Park later this week over
Israel's invasion of Gaza and fears
that Benjamin Netanyahu's appearance
would overshadow the tech gathering.
The paper says that the foreign and science
and technology secretaries were "angered"
by the suggestion and rejected it.]



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[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The Daily Telegraph also focuses on the rescue
of an Israeli hostage in Gaza.
The paper reports on the latest developments
in the Israel-Hamas war and says that
Western leaders have launched a
"diplomatic offensive" on Middle Eastern states
in an attempt to prevent the conflict
from spreading further.]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

i don't hate jews


i do hate Benjamin Netanyahu though, never liked him to be fair



yes poor kidnapped Shani now dead, more blood on Benny's hands




yes not surrender to evil, but then you have to accept getting more blood on your hands then, with more hostages dying, while you could've done way more to try and save them

[arista]

i don't hate jews


i do hate Benjamin Netanyahu though, never liked him to be fair



yes poor kidnapped Shani now dead, more blood on Benny's hands




yes not surrender to evil, but then you have to accept getting more blood on your hands then, with more hostages dying, while you could've done way more to try and save them


He is only in power while this war goes on.
After this, he will be removed in a Election.

[Nicky91]

He is only in power while this war goes on.
After this, he will be removed in a Election.

do you even believe that?


the reason he is in power, due to corruption, same as Putin in Russia

[joeysteele]

i don't hate jews


i do hate Benjamin Netanyahu though, never liked him to be fair



yes poor kidnapped Shani now dead, more blood on Benny's hands




yes not surrender to evil, but then you have to accept getting more blood on your hands then, with more hostages dying, while you could've done way more to try and save them


It's a massively dividing conflict because for likely the majority of people thinking of Israeli victims and Palestinian victims is near heartbreaking at the senseless losses of lives on both sides.
Yes Hamas are terrorists and they inflamed the tensions to war again this month.

Israel however needs to respond rightly but within international humanity laws.
Hamas don't and don't care.
However Israel needs to not follow the Hamas route on that.

I had concerns when Natanyahu was elected but hoped for the fragile scenario to continue.

I am however fed up of the antisemitic accusations fired at people who DON'T like Natanyahu or the Israeli government.
That's totally ridiculous and does a massive injustice to real antisemitic thinking and action.
I've had it thrown at me on here and it's grossly insulting.

From what you've said I cannot see where you've EVER come across.like a Jew hater.
That may suit some to stir up divisions and attack individuals who only really care about senseless loss of lives.

Those accusations are dangerous and disgraceful to make on here by anyone.
I don't care who they are or think they are.
I myself and I think the majority of the world want peace in that region.
For both Israel and Palestine.
If as much effort was put into achieving that and trying to unite rather than trying to divide.
That would be better than throwing false accusations of being antisemitic to people to further ignite divisions.
When it's not antisemitism at all.
No government even our own.
Should be able to.just do anything with a blank cheque given.

Criticising the Israeli leadership and governnent is NOT antisemitism.
Just as supporting Palestinian citizens isn't antisemitism either.
.
Supporting Hamas and it's vile cruel actions, well that's very different.
Because they are an abomination to reason and any decency.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1718351555110318515?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Nicky91]

amen Joey

i like israel, i like the hebrew language a lot, i listen to lots of israeli music, Gal Gadot to name one in the entertainment world, not just as superhero Wonder Woman but also a pretty superb performance in Death on the Nile


i always am silent for 2 minutes each year on May 4th War Remembrance Day



-------
simply bombing gaza is not the correct choice here


and several palestinians cannot evacuate especially those in hospitals, the terminally ill and those who need urgent treatments, whom otherwise die in the evacuations


cutting power from Gaza, also severing them from clean drinkwater, them having to drink seawater is also pretty sad to see


i would've given Netanyahu the advice, for a clean and stealthy operation joined forces of the Mossad and USA's special forces (same ones who eliminated Bin Laden basically) Hamas are terrorists, terrorists are a global threat (same as ISIL, Al Qaeda) and when you know that there are many innocent palestinians also living in Gaza, i don't think bombing is the best way to go at all, Hamas also kinda use those palestinians as human shields to hide behind

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1718351555110318515?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

and that is equally as disturbing as the video at the airport though I note you were silent on that

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

Unreal, no wonder there are no police around when you actually need them

[arista]

[IDF says it has killed Hamas Jabalia battalion commander]

But sadly the IDF
bombed a Refugee camp in Gaza
Some did not leave, sadly.

They have dropped leaflets
written in Arabic.



All Media

[Cherie]

[IDF says it has killed Hamas Jabalia battalion commander]

But sadly the IDF
bombed a Refugee camp in Gaza
Some did not leave, sadly.

They have dropped leaflets
written in Arabic.



All Media


Awful

[Liam-]

So in other words, Israel purposefully bombed a refugee camp knowing there were refugees inside they had already chased from their homes

[Crimson Dynamo]

People shocked that war creates awful outcomes

Maybe the terror group Hamas should have considered this before?

Its their blood and their deaths

no one elses

2,000,000 German civilians died in WWII

we managed to make peace with that

[joeysteele]

amen Joey

i like israel, i like the hebrew language a lot, i listen to lots of israeli music, Gal Gadot to name one in the entertainment world, not just as superhero Wonder Woman but also a pretty superb performance in Death on the Nile


i always am silent for 2 minutes each year on May 4th War Remembrance Day



-------
simply bombing gaza is not the correct choice here


and several palestinians cannot evacuate especially those in hospitals, the terminally ill and those who need urgent treatments, whom otherwise die in the evacuations


cutting power from Gaza, also severing them from clean drinkwater, them having to drink seawater is also pretty sad to see


i would've given Netanyahu the advice, for a clean and stealthy operation joined forces of the Mossad and USA's special forces (same ones who eliminated Bin Laden basically) Hamas are terrorists, terrorists are a global threat (same as ISIL, Al Qaeda) and when you know that there are many innocent palestinians also living in Gaza, i don't think bombing is the best way to go at all, Hamas also kinda use those palestinians as human shields to hide behind



Really strong and thoughtful post Nicky.
Extremely strong and thought provoking

This conflict really is a desperately bad situation.

How things are now and have been for the last over 3 weeks now doesn't seem a solution.

Truth is, likely no one really has a solution.
Just hopes.
For sure the world's politicians seem to not have a clue what to do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

So in other words, Israel purposefully bombed a refugee camp knowing there were refugees inside they had already chased from their homes


They also killed a load of Hamas
in a tunnel under that area

It was a wrong amount of Collateral Damage


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[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The Sun reports comments by
Tory vice-chairman Lee Anderson,
who criticised police officers in London and Manchester
after footage emerged allegedly showing
some of them taking down posters of
Israeli children held hostage by Hamas.]



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[arista]

One good thing.

The Rafah crossing from Gaza to Egypt
has now opened for foreign citizens

[user104658]

People shocked that war creates awful outcomes

Maybe the terror group Hamas should have considered this before?

Its their blood and their deaths

no one elses

2,000,000 German civilians died in WWII

we managed to make peace with that

Part of "making peace with that" was establishing a whole boatload of new international laws to outline war tactics that would be considered war crimes.

Such as bombing refugee camps.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1719607225965048125

[bots]

Part of "making peace with that" was establishing a whole boatload of new international laws to outline war tactics that would be considered war crimes.

Such as bombing refugee camps.

we all know that war rules are only accepted in very specific circumstances. Similarly, UN resolutions (when they can actually get them through) mean absolutely nothing.

If you start calling Israel war criminals, what good does that then do? They have several levels more they can go to without blinking and while America and the UK may tut tut. They will always back Israel 100% behind the scenes

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[user104658]

we all know that war rules are only accepted in very specific circumstances. Similarly, UN resolutions (when they can actually get them through) mean absolutely nothing.

If you start calling Israel war criminals, what good does that then do? They have several levels more they can go to without blinking and while America and the UK may tut tut. They will always back Israel 100% behind the scenes

What good does it do to call war crimes war crimes? Hmm. What good does it do to call a rapist a rapist when 99% of them will never be convicted? Doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling them what they are.

"The world is hideously corrupt" really isn't a good reason not to.

[arista]

At least she tell the cops
he has kidney disease.

Scottish Strong Voices
needs subtitles

https://twitter.com/LeoKearse/status/1719647471679275048

Leo Kearse:
[London's police arrest a man for asking:
"Why are they over here?
We let them into our country"
-at a march where people were chanting for
the extermination of Jews,
without any interference from the police.

London's police are under the control of Sadiq Khan.
This isn't just two tier policing, this is a takeover.
Hate speech laws are used to protect violent
bigots and persecute anyone who questions them.

This is only going to get worse under Labour.]

[arista]

do you even believe that?


the reason he is in power, due to corruption, same as Putin in Russia



Yes,
just before October 7th
he was facing court action.

And would be taken out of power.

His Corruption has caught up with him.



While this War
is going on, he has a Liberal Co-Leader,
and will stay in power

[Nicky91]

this is why bombings are stupid, should've more been done another way, with special forces commando's highly trained to take down terrorist thugs, without killing too many innocent civilians


also ordering evacuations is likely to alert the terrorists in that area too


Benny doesn't think things through sadly (this new bombing incident is more food for his haters tbh)

[arista]

Yes there is rush to kill all Hamas troops.

But Deep Hamas tunnels
are still there,
with over 200
hostages that are split up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is why bombings are stupid, should've more been done another way, with special forces commando's highly trained to take down terrorist thugs, without killing too many innocent civilians


also ordering evacuations is likely to alert the terrorists in that area too


Benny doesn't think things through sadly (this new bombing incident is more food for his haters tbh)

if any of their Arab neighbours would let the non hamas people to flee to their country but they have no friends - Egypt wont touch them

[user104658]

if any of their Arab neighbours would let the non hamas people to flee to their country but they have no friends - Egypt wont touch them

As I said in the other thread, other Arab countries in the region know full well the consequences of getting in the way of an indiscriminate west-sanctioned bombing campaign. How many countries reduced to rubble now? No one wants to be next on the list. You'll continue to ignore this and run with your own very thinly veiled agenda-driven narrative though.

[Oliver_W]

1719302835165122883?s=20

At least she tell the cops
he has kidney disease.

Scottish Strong Voices
needs subtitles

https://twitter.com/LeoKearse/status/1719647471679275048

Leo Kearse:
[London's police arrest a man for asking:
"Why are they over here?
We let them into our country"
-at a march where people were chanting for
the extermination of Jews,
without any interference from the police.

London's police are under the control of Sadiq Khan.
This isn't just two tier policing, this is a takeover.
Hate speech laws are used to protect violent
bigots and persecute anyone who questions them.

This is only going to get worse under Labour.]
It's almost like the police know where the violence will come from if they intervene.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/torahjudaism/status/1719741630763159672?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labou think that now is a good time to has light the Great British public

You could not make it up..

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[bots]

That's been done to appease all the people deserting the labour party

[bots]

The warning from the director of the FBI this week was stark.

Addressing a Senate panel alongside the US Homeland Security Secretary on Tuesday, Director Christopher Gray said the terror threat to Americans had been "elevated throughout 2023" but after 7 October Hamas attacks on Israel it had risen "to a whole other level".

It is a concern shared on both sides of the Atlantic with the UK prime minister chairing a Cobra crisis meeting on Monday attended by MI5 and counter-terrorism policing to discuss how to mitigate the increased threat of terrorism.

The UK government suspects Iranian agents may be actively stoking unrest amongst the recent pro-Palestinian protests in British cities.

Currently, the UK national terror threat level, set by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, remains unchanged at substantial - meaning a terrorist attack is thought "likely".

But, the surge in violence in the Middle East has led counter-terrorism officials to worry about two areas of increased threat.

One of those comes from the growing international outrage at the very high level of civilian casualties amongst Palestinians caused by Israel's air and artillery strikes on Gaza as it seeks to eliminate Hamas’s fighting capabilities.

The other is the risk extremist groups could be inspired by the Hamas-led attacks on Israel on 7 October.

The FBI Director told senators those actions "will serve as an inspiration the likes of which we haven’t seen since ISIS launched its so-called caliphate years ago".

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1719599851753591017?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[bots]

so now you are sharing blatant antisemitic stuff

[joeysteele]

If the aid trucks are to be allowed in then why aren't all the aid trucks really needed being allowed to do so.

All that's being said is aid is being allowed in but nowhere near anything like enough will be.

This is really getting worrying now.
Probably not too just for this area of the middle East but the wider World too.

The UK for instance has always either made or contributed to, and left almost as much a mess as when they allowed themselves to get involved in Middle East situations.
It's like the major powers and possible influences are just in a talking shop and not making any push to bring peace, even a fragile one again, to the region.
The UK, our PM and government included..
They seem impotent rather than just soundbites.

Starmer hasn't an answer either.

Plus where are the LibDems, sitting on the fence as usual contributing little to nothing even to the debate.

While the UK citizens it appears are getting confused and growingly fatigued at words not backed up with more peaceful efforts action.

This is now going into the 4th week of this.
Yet the only seeming outcome is a much greater bloodbath to come for both sides.
What an almighty mess.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Liam-]

so now you are sharing blatant antisemitic stuff

Where’s the antisemitism?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

so now you are sharing blatant antisemitic stuff

not sure why this is allowed tbh

:umm2:

[arista]

On Twitter

The Evil Hamas Leader
has said today he will give Israel
a Second and third wave
Until they are all dead.


So he is Matching what the
Israel Leader keeps saying about Hamas
that every Hamas person will be killed.


SNAP

[Nicky91]

not sure why this is allowed tbh

:umm2:

because we are all entitled of our own opinions, freedom of speech

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1719599851753591017?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

What does a random old woman have to do with anything?

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2023/11/01/bij1-activists-project-controversial-pro-palestinian-slogan-next-dutch-pms-office


Activists from the BIJ1 party projected the slogan "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" onto the Mauritshuis in The Hague, the building that is located next to the Prime Minister's office. The party reported this on X. The slogan is deemed antisemitic by some because it is interpreted as denying Israel's right to exist.

The party, which holds one seat in the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of the Dutch parliament, said it aims with this action “to oppose the ever-increasing pressure on our freedom of expression to show solidarity with the Palestinians and their struggle against the colonization of the country.”

The slogan expressed the desire for a Palestinian state stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, areas that encompass both the Palestinian territories and the entire land area of Israel. It is controversial and is perceived by some as a call for the end of the state of Israel, while others see it primarily as a statement of support for the Palestinian cause.

The use of the slogan has been prohibited in the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of the Dutch parliament, due to its perceived antisemitic connotation. Several politicians, including VVD leader Dilan Yeşilgöz and GroenLinks-PvdA party leader Frans Timmermans, are against its use.

Parties like BIJ1 and DENK, on the contrary, argue the slogan advocates for a single state that includes space for Jewish residents. "In reality, the slogan is a call for equal rights for Palestinians and an end to the occupation by Israel,” BIJ said on Wednesday.

The projection was a "totally disgusting action," according to Naomi Mestrum, director of the Center for Information and Documentation Israel (CIDI), AD reported. "I don't understand what they aim to achieve with this and why they seek further polarization. I see no effort here to even try to prevent escalating tensions in our country. It's unnecessary and particularly deceitful. Essentially calling for the disappearance of Israel is terrible," she added.

The Central Jewish Consultation (CJO) announced in a statement that it is considering legal action against the activisits. The organization "is deeply concerned that a political party in the Netherlands is trying to poison the debate in this manner," pointing out that the slogan "is widely recognized as a call for genocide against Israel's more than 7 million Jewish residents." The CJO also called on politicians to "speak out in the strongest terms" against BIJ1's action.

On X, PVV MP Martin Bosma referred to it as "a call for genocide by a Dutch political party elected to the Tweede Kamer."

D66 MP Alexander Hammelburg stated on X that "a slogan that for many is equivalent to a call for the destruction of Israel and its Jewish citizens is threatening and unnecessary in advocating for peace and a two-state solution."

Amsterdam mayor Femke Halsema previously said the slogan was "unacceptable" and asked the Public Prosecution Service (OM) to investigate whether its use is punishable. This summer, the Amsterdam District Court ruled that its use was not punishable in a case involving a demonstrator who chanted the slogan in 2021.


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[arista]

Good job, Nicky
it can only work at Night Time.

[Nicky91]

not appropriate timing from Bij1 at all, around times of elections :laugh:


although they are the least popular party here so already long before this stunt of theirs

[joeysteele]

because we are all entitled of our own opinions, freedom of speech

Oh Nicky as you well know too people are NOT allowed that if they dare to say anything against Israeli leaders, government and actions regardless of what they do.
Our own PM has said on behalf of the UK.
That the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.
Therefore as in always a blank cheque given no matter what Israel may do.

I support Israel but I care too for the ordinary Palestinian people.
I am becoming more and more disillusioned and concerned at the rhetoric from Israel.
The UN is pointing out concerns as to Israel's leadership plans of action.
Two wrongs cannot make a right.
I'd give no side any blank cheque.

.... and that is NOT antisemitism which some would accuse me of and others thinking the same way.
It makes a near mockery of what real and true antisemitism is.
I've had it for years on here and frankly it's tedious and insulting.

The antisemitism accusations are spouted out regularly on any criticism of Israel.
Not approving of and not supporting everything the Israeli leader and governnent say and do is NOT in any way criticism of the Israeli population.
It is NOT antisemitism.

There should be rules and even a law, in my view, to stop wild accusations of antisemitism against people.
Who in the main are only concerned for the peace and welfare of both Israelis and Palestinians.
However it does really say more about those firing those wild accusations of antisemitism than it says about anyone else.