Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

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The 13 now home in Israel

[arista]

Another 13 Israeli
are due to be released by Hamas,
this afternoon

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/25/13/78225599-12790139-image-a-9_1700918617131.jpg
[Emotional moment, a father reunited with his
wife and two young daughters after they spent
49 days being held captive by Hamas terrorists
in Gaza]


Yesterday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12790139/Emotional-moment-girl-hugged-family-Gaza-hostage.html

[arista]

There is now a Delay
on the next 13 hostages

Hamas now wants more aid trucks in,
first.

All Media

[Oliver_W]

Hamas now wants more aid trucks in,
first.

They've changed their tune.

I'm guessing they'll be going straight to Hamas, rather than their people?

[bots]

the UN has documented that aid lorries arrived in nort gaza yesterday, so Hamas are playing games. What a surprise

[arista]

Hostages will soon be released

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[arista]

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Last night
9-year-old Irish Emily, on the left
leaving with Hamas.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/25/23/78236929-12791041-Irish_girl_Emily_Hand_was_held_by_Hamas_for_50_day s_and_had_her_-m-2_1700955501530.jpg

Now with her dad.
Safe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12791591/She-broken-one-piece-Irish-girl-Emily-Hand-reunited-family-50-days-hostage-hell-father-vows-throw-biggest-party-mark-ninth-birthday-never-Hamas-prisoner.html

[bots]

So glad the little girl made it out alive

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/25/23/78236929-12791041-Irish_girl_Emily_Hand_was_held_by_Hamas_for_50_day s_and_had_her_-m-2_1700955501530.jpg

Now with her dad.
Safe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12791591/She-broken-one-piece-Irish-girl-Emily-Hand-reunited-family-50-days-hostage-hell-father-vows-throw-biggest-party-mark-ninth-birthday-never-Hamas-prisoner.html

What that poor man has been through, first believing she had been killed and coming to terms with that, and then getting the news she had been taken hostage ...lucky girl that she is an Irish citizen, that probably helped with her release

[bots]

yeah, that is unimaginable hell

[Cherie]

rish prime minister Leo Varadkar has been criticised by Israel for saying a nine-year-old girl kidnapped by Hamas was “lost and has now been found”.

Responding to the release of Emily Hand, an Irish-Israeli schoolgirl, the Taoiseach said: “This is a day of enormous joy and relief for Emily Hand and her family. An innocent child who was lost has now been found and returned, and we breathe a massive sigh of relief. Our prayers have been answered.

Israel’s foreign minister hit out at the statement, telling Mr Varadkar that it was inappropriate to suggest Emily was simply “lost” when she had in fact been kidnapped by Hamas terrorists.

“Mr Prime Minister. It seems you have lost your moral compass and need a reality check!” Eli Cohen, Israel’s foreign minister, said on social media.
“Emily Hand was not “’lost’, she was kidnapped by a terror organisation (sic) worse than ISIS that murdered her stepmother. “


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-criticises-leo-varadkar-for-comments-on-release-of-nine-year-old-hamas-hostage/ar-AA1ky00c?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=97db5915613442fdb99ebbf07b214171&ei=11

[user104658]

The hostages all look remarkably clean and healthy considering the "unimaginable" things that "must" have been being done to them by their captors ... some have repeatedly insisted.

It's a difficult thing to bring up of course - being kidnapped and held hostage in any regard is obviously an extremely traumatic event during which one would fear for their lives daily - I'm not downplaying what these people have experienced. Just pointing out that it doesn't QUITE appear to match up with the conditions that people have been insisting they will have been kept in, and the abuse people have been insisting they will have been subject to, by their "animal" captors.

[The Slim Reaper]

The hostages all look remarkably clean and healthy considering the "unimaginable" things that "must" have been being done to them by their captors ... some have repeatedly insisted.

It's a difficult thing to bring up of course - being kidnapped and held hostage in any regard is obviously an extremely traumatic event during which one would fear for their lives daily - I'm not downplaying what these people have experienced. Just pointing out that it doesn't QUITE appear to match up with the conditions that people have been insisting they will have been kept in, and the abuse people have been insisting they will have been subject to, by their "animal" captors.

Some of them were waving at their captors upon release.

Israeli forces now believes to have killed many of the dead on October 7th.

The narratives aren't matching up, you're right. Folks don't want to understand the truth, they just want to keep repeating the same things over and over in spite of the evidence.

[bots]

war narratives never add up and never have

[arista]

CNN HD Live
talking about the 100's under 18-year-olds
being held in Israel Administrative Detention.
Not charged with anything?

So could have thrown stones, etc.

[arista]

Another 14 Israeli Hostages
have been handed to the Red Cross


SkyNewsHD Live

[Oliver_W]

It is not clear whether, or how, the hostages were coerced in the making of the video, but at one point a Hamas member audibly instructs two hostages, Sharon Avigdori, 52, and her daughter Noam, 12, to "keep waving," as they smile at the camera before the van departs for Egypt.
https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775156

Maybe Hamas has access to showers and clean clothes?

[Livia]

Considering how they were taken it's amazing to see the few that have been released look as though they are okay - physically. Of course, they are a tiny percentage of those who were taken. But it will please the Hamas supporters with their "Look! They all look fine!" narrative.

[Cherie]

The hostages all look remarkably clean and healthy considering the "unimaginable" things that "must" have been being done to them by their captors ... some have repeatedly insisted.

It's a difficult thing to bring up of course - being kidnapped and held hostage in any regard is obviously an extremely traumatic event during which one would fear for their lives daily - I'm not downplaying what these people have experienced. Just pointing out that it doesn't QUITE appear to match up with the conditions that people have been insisting they will have been kept in, and the abuse people have been insisting they will have been subject to, by their "animal" captors.

The first American hostages that were released said they were treated well, but then some hostages have been killed so its not a one size fits all, we saw that poor german girl paraded naked before our eyes, and where just fragments of her skull have been found

[arista]

One American 4-Year-old has been released

[arista]

39 from Gaza were set free
By the IDF.


17 Israelis were given to the Red Cross

[Cherie]

An Israeli woman who was one of the hostages freed by Hamas thought they were being taken to be executed before they were released.

Adina Moshe, 72, told her family she thought she was being led to her death before she and 12 other hostages were released on Friday after the warring sides signed a Qatari-negotiated, four-day ceasefire.

Her niece Mayan Moshe, 43, told The Times: 'She knew something was happening when the explosions all stopped on Friday and suddenly there was silence.

Our aunt said when they were moved from the tunnel they were scared — they thought they were being taken to be executed. Only when they saw the Red Cross buses did they realise they were being freed.'

Adina had been kept underground by Hamas terrorists for 50 days before being released and her eyes were still adjusting to sunlight when she spoke to her family. Her nephew Ayat Nouri said: 'They kept up the terror to the end.'

at least they had clean clothes though!

[bots]

It's the remaining hostages that are likely to be in a bit of trouble. Hamas doesn't even know where most of them are, so who knows what state they will be in

[user104658]

In the absence of any verified evidence or confirmed intelligence of any kind, absolutely the best approach is just to make stuff up and guess.

[arista]

The now Safe 4 year old

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[arista]

Israel has asked for another extra day Extension
for more hostage exchanges
meaning Israel will send back to Gaza
double the amounts.

But that has to go through Qatar Negotiations


This is Officially the last day
of exchanges


Ref: All Media

[Ninastar]

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

[arista]

Gaza Truce now extended for 2 days

[Zizu]

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh


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[arista]

[Israel-Gaza latest: Two-day truce extension agreed,
say Hamas and Qatar; hostage families 'notified'

Qatar's foreign ministry says the truce between
Israel and Hamas has now been extended by
two extra days, after earlier negotiation.
Meanwhile, more hostages and prisoners are
due to be freed today.]

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-latest-more-hostages-could-be-released-today-as-idf-says-it-downed-missile-launched-from-lebanon-12978800

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1728857544347804059?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[The Slim Reaper]

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

"I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too." What bad things have they done? How long have they been doing those things? Why do you think October 7th happened?

All we've heard since the hostages were taken, was how bad they must be being treated; the constant rape, maybe butchery and hacking too. Now we're seeing the interviews of the former hostages, generally talking about how well they were treated considering the circumstances. Have some had unimaginably dark experiences? Undoubtedly, but then that would be true of any hostages taken by any side. Remember how the Americans treated Arab hostages in Gitmo? Do you think treatment defines the whole US military?

To be clear, taking hostages from the general public is a war crime no matter which side does it, but aren't you bothered that Israel regularly takes Palestinian children as hostages and actually tortures them in prisons? No one has shown any concern that this has been happening against Palestinians for decades, and we can't even get more than a line of acknowledgement that Israel isn't perfect.

[bots]

in reality we really don't know the state of the hostages. Some seem to look physically ok, but mentally? I don't think they will ever recover from that. There are also still a load of hostages that are being held by splinter groups that we have no idea about. They could be fine, but they also could have gone through hell. We just need to see how it plays out.

What we do know is that a fair proportion of hostages were killed on day 1 ..... the video is there for all to see

[Zizu]

in reality we really don't know the state of the hostages. Some seem to look physically ok, but mentally? I don't think they will ever recover from that. There are also still a load of hostages that are being held by splinter groups that we have no idea about. They could be fine, but they also could have gone through hell. We just need to see how it plays out.

What we do know is that a fair proportion of hostages were killed on day 1 ..... the video is there for all to see


Exactly

We have no idea what physical / mental tortures they had to endure

None of it will be visible


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[The Slim Reaper]

Exactly

We have no idea what physical / mental tortures they had to endure

None of it will be visible


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I think hostages talking about their experiences, sort of gives us an idea about what they went through. Doesn't mean there won't be lasting scars, trauma, or PTSD, but that's true of any hostage taken anywhere in the world.

[Zizu]

I think hostages talking about their experiences, sort of gives us an idea about what they went through. Doesn't mean there won't be lasting scars, trauma, or PTSD, but that's true of any hostage taken anywhere in the world.


I’d guess the more extreme cases either won’t want to or will be too embarrassed to say …


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[jet]

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

Well said, I totally agree!

[user104658]

It is literally only about the importance of accuracy in reporting. The very experience of being held against one's will for any reason is harrowing and will have had untold consequences on people's mental health - I'm not sure I've seen people insisting that the hostages are "fine"? Certainly not on here anyway. Maybe in the wider social media cesspit but that's barely worth mentioning.

However it is valid, relevant and important to point out that the worst-case-imaginings of what "must have" happened to these children has, thus far, proven not to be the case. That's a good thing. So why does it feel like some people consider it a "loss"? Like the more-harrowing images are somehow preferable, because they serve as stronger justification for the response, perhaps (bombing hospitals full of children being acceptable so long as it's to kill the boogeymen lurking beneath, etc.).

Seeing hostages released who have, in fact, not been raped and beaten into a pulp makes it harder to grease the wheels of palatable collateral damage. Maybe. Just a theory. Still we can always hyperfocus on the atrocities of the initial terrorist attack on day 1 to justify the months-long bombing campaign and starvation seige I guess.

Heck we used the Twin Towers to justify turning half of the ME into a pile of rubble and the deaths of literal millions, over the span of several years! Oct 7 has to be worth a few thousand dead Muslims at the very, very least. They're not children remember. They're jihadists-in-waiting.

[The Slim Reaper]

I’d guess the more extreme cases either won’t want to or will be too embarrassed to say …


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Well if they've been treated so badly, they probably wouldn't put themselves up for interview unless they absolutely wanted to tell their experiences.

To my knowledge, the treatment of the hostages released so far, doesn't line up in any way whatsoever with what we were told for the last 2 months they would have been facing.

Meanwhile Israel is just levelling the whole of Gaza, and no one cares. But hey ho, Israel isn't perfect.

[Oliver_W]

I think hostages talking about their experiences,

Where have they been interviewed etc?

[The Slim Reaper]

Where have they been interviewed etc?

The interviews released were from the first prisoners a few weeks back, which you can find everywhere. The Israeli government has prohibited the most recently released hostages from talking because:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_8_4RvXAAAbFRb?format=jpg&name=small

You can, however, see the footage of the most recent detainees being handed over to the red cross, and you can make up your own mind whether or not you feel the people waving and thanking their captors whilst looking clean, without their clothes torn off, and all their limbs intact, is a fair reflection of the truth or Hamas propaganda.

We've been fed a narrative on what Hamas was doing to all the hostages, and so far, none of that has been even close to the truth.

That's not to undercut the horror of being a hostage to anyone in in any situation, but the constant rape that was gleefully predicted to be the staple of Hamas Islamic terrorism (TM) hasn't been born out thus far, and i do mean thus far.

[Oliver_W]

The interviews released were from the first prisoners a few weeks back, which you can find everywhere.
Ah right, I thought you meant from the latest batch of releasees. My bad.



You can, however, see the footage of the most recent detainees being handed over to the red cross, and you can make up your own mind whether or not you feel the people waving and thanking their captors whilst looking clean, without their clothes torn off, and all their limbs intact, is a fair reflection of the truth or Hamas propaganda.

Just checking, do you mean the footage released by Hamas, where you can hear someone saying "keep waving" ?

[The Slim Reaper]

Just checking, do you mean the footage released by Hamas, where you can hear someone saying "keep waving" ?

Like I said, you can make up your own mind. Sounds more like waiting to me.

[Cherie]

Ah right, I thought you meant from the latest batch of releasees. My bad.



Just checking, do you mean the footage released by Hamas, where you can hear someone saying "keep waving" ?

Hamas are completely misunderstood pussycats, that 4 year old girl who was released in the last batch is now an orphan but I am sure she doesn't mind

[The Slim Reaper]

Folks seem a bit upset that raping and butchering hasn't been happening as predicted, so have ot rely on the most facile load of tosh imaginable in order to pretend things are being said which haven't been said.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Aunt of 12-year-old Eitan Yahalomi says the hostage children were threatened at gunpoint to keep quiet; father of 9-year-old Emily hand says she only whispers

The aunt of 12-year-old Eitan Yahalomi, who was freed on Monday evening along with ten other Israelis, told of the “horrors” that the hostages experienced after being abducted by the terrorist organization Hamas on October 7.

"I wanted to hope he'd have been treated well but apparently not, they're monsters. His father is still there, 160 people are still there,” Deborah Cohen said in an interview with the French BFM.


Cohen said the 12-year-old boy was beaten by civilians as soon as he arrived in Gaza on October 7, a few hours after being kidnapped, and throughout his captivity the terrorists had forced the child to watch brutal videos from the massacres at the Kibbutzim.

"Every time a child cried, the terrorists would threaten them with a gun to keep quiet," the aunt described the “horrors in captivity” that her nephew and others went through, though she herself has not yet seen Eitan but has spoken to his mother Bat Sheva.

Cohen said the 12-year-old boy was beaten by civilians as soon as he arrived in Gaza on October 7, a few hours after being kidnapped, and throughout his captivity the terrorists had forced the child to watch brutal videos from the massacres at the Kibbutzim.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701177376-aunt-says-terrorists-forced-12-year-old-eitan-to-watch-oct-7-massacre-videos


sounds like they had a ball :skull:

[arista]

BBC:

[18:26
Hamas reportedly handing over more
hostages to the Red Cross

Israeli media and international news agencies
are reporting that the next group of hostages
are being handed over by Hamas to
humanitarian organisation the International
Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

Today's planned release is part of a
two-day extension
to a pause in the fighting that'll see
Hamas release hostages - and, in exchange,
Palestinian prisoners released by Israel.]

[user104658]

sounds like they had a ball :skull:

Literally no one has said they did Cherie, but by all means carry on strawmanning.

[Liam-]

Anybody want to mention the hostages released by Israel that have told of their abuse, both physical and sexual? No?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Cherie]

Anybody want to mention the hostages released by Israel that have told of their abuse, both physical and sexual? No?

There are no winners in this, both are as bad as each other :shrug:

that said these are innocent kids who have done nothing to Palestinians

[Oliver_W]

Anybody want to mention the hostages released by Israel that have told of their abuse, both physical and sexual? No?

No-one's said anything about how clean and well-cared for the prisoners released by Israel appeared to be.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

No-one's said anything about how clean and well-cared for the prisoners released by Israel appeared to be.

Indeed, also I don't know how you can be so concerned about the safety of Palestinian families but not Israeli families, both are at the mercy of their governments decisions

[Cherie]

Israel today said it is checking claims by Hamas that Kfir Babis, a baby who was snatched and taken into Gaza by the terrorists, was killed in an Israeli airstrike alongside his mother and brother.

Hamas' armed wing Al-Qassam Brigades claimed, without providing evidence, that the 10-month-old baby, his mother Shiri Silberman-Babis, 30, and four-year-old brother Ariel, were killed in an Israeli bombardment before the truce was announced.

Kfir's father Yarden, who was taken hostage by the terrorists, was not mentioned in the statement.

The Israeli military said it is checking the claims by Hamas that the little baby was killed alongside his mother and brother while they were being kept hostage by the terrorists.

The world had watched in horror on October 7 when footage emerged of Hamas terrorists dragging Shiri and her young family from their home in Nir Oz Kibbutz towards a waiting car.

Video showed the sobbing mother clutching onto Kfir and Ariel as they were kidnapped, as horrified neighbours screamed: 'She has a baby.'

The family had not been heard from since but there were hopes that they would be released by Hamas as part of a prisoner exchange during the truce between Israel and the terrorist group.

But Hamas today claimed - without providing evidence - that Kfir, Shiri and Ariel were killed in an Israeli airstrike on Gaza in the days before the truce was announced



Convenient, just as it emerged this family had been handed over to Islamic Jihad

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12805071/Israel-says-checking-Hamas-claim-ten-month-old-baby-Kfir-Bibas-killed-alongside-mother-brother-Gaza.html

[arista]

Soon,
the 6th Group of Hostages is expected to be freed.


Loads of Ambulances are standing by
at the Egypt-Gaza Border Crossing


Ref: FoxNewsHD Live (online only)/CNN HD USA

[Ninastar]

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[Cherie]

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it kinda ties in with some hostages being taken to the Al Shifa hospital and two being found dead in the grounds

[user104658]

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Not to question the accuracy of Israeli televised news as the source, but it's barely possible for a healthy adult to survive 50 days without food, essentially impossible for a child to survive 50 days without food, and even if technically possible not without being in the severe stages of starvation (i.e. coma, beginning organ failure).

Not passing comment on the actual conditions hostages were kept in (I can't find any good sources on that), just saying that the claim of 50 days without being given any food is patently false.

[Livia]

The version I read was that the child was "barely fed". But, let's wait for the Hamas version to please all contributors to the thread.

[Ninastar]

I mean I kind of assumed he must have been fed something every once in a while to keep from dying but I guess a little bit of food is better than no food. Thanks Hamas!

[The Slim Reaper]

This is obviously mistreatment (if the report is true), but maybe it's a good way to start a discussion on Israel having the ability to starve and limit food into Gaza to begin with and have been doing so since way before October 7th.

Food insecurity and starvation is also part of collective punishment and is considered a war crime

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/starvation-weapon-war-being-used-against-gaza-civilians-oxfam

Starvation as weapon of war being used against Gaza civilians - Oxfam

[user104658]

The version I read was that the child was "barely fed". But, let's wait for the Hamas version to please all contributors to the thread.

Or we could rely solely on first-person accounts from source instead of any "version".

[Cherie]

Hamas have fired at Israel, war is back on

[bots]

In the last hour, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Hamas did not agree to release further hostages, which violated the terms of the truce.

Hamas did not release all women hostages as agreed and attacked Israel with rockets this morning, Netanyahu's office adds.

In a statement on social media, his office says Israel remains committed to achieving its objectives - to free hostages, eliminate Hamas and to "ensure that Gaza will never pose a threat to the residents of Israel".

[arista]

Hamas have fired at Israel, war is back on



Yes sad.

Hamas want all Israeli's killed

[Oliver_W]

Yes sad.

Hamas want all Israeli's killed

That's pretty much their charter.

[Nicky91]

Hamas have fired at Israel, war is back on

how do we for sure know it was Hamas who fired at Israel?


IDF saying so, but i don't believe them for one bit anymore, and btw they knew about Hamas their invasion plans, and they did nothing to prevent that, in the beginning of this recent conflict which led to 10.000 israeli deaths and kidnappings at a festival


they are just as criminal as the CIA has been of having been aware of the 9/11 terror plans

[Nicky91]

there's no good guys in this conflict honestly


i feel bad for the israeli people because of such morons of the IDF and a idiot like Netanyahu in power


i feel bad for the palestinians in gaza, because of crazy lunatics of Hamas who do not care about its citizens (going as far as hiding behind them, using its citizens as human shields)




i do not like Benny's tone there

"ensure that Gaza will never pose a threat to the residents of Israel".


:umm2:

just get rid of Hamas and the palestinians won't pose a threat anymore, not wiping them out completely (otherwise i hope the EU will sanction Israel quite heavily and i hope EBU will kick them out for a 2 or 3 year long ban due to committed war crimes, same what they did to belarus and russia basically)


fighting terrorists okay, but don't go too far into making it a full genocide of gaza

[Livia]

yeah and Israel wants to get rid of all other religions, and their religion being the only one in the world



yes i know my stuff on religions (wikipedia exists)

One shred of proof for this comment please.

Judaism doesn't recruit. If someone wants to become a Jew then they may, if they're serious.

You make anti-Semitic comments - like this one - while claiming you're not an anti-Semite. You make completely untrue claims while claiming to "know your stuff" on religion.

[Livia]

Hamas have fired at Israel, war is back on

Yesterday four people were killed and five injured, shot while standing at a bus stop in Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility. I'd say the truce ended then.

[Nicky91]

One shred of proof for this comment please.

Judaism doesn't recruit. If someone wants to become a Jew then they may, if they're serious.

You make anti-Semitic comments - like this one - while claiming you're not an anti-Semite. You make completely untrue claims while claiming to "know your stuff" on religion.

okay then i might've misread that


seems a open minded religion then, thank you for enlightening me :douf:

[user104658]

One shred of proof for this comment please.

Judaism doesn't recruit. If someone wants to become a Jew then they may, if they're serious.

You make anti-Semitic comments - like this one - while claiming you're not an anti-Semite. You make completely untrue claims while claiming to "know your stuff" on religion.

To be fair to Nicky, he said Israel, not Judaism or Jews. It's odd, there's a conflation there that really doesn't happen with any other country.

In terms of what he actually said otherwise, there are certainly fringe groups within Israel who think that there should only be Jews in Israel, and that Israel should include all of Gaza and the West Bank, but that's true if pretty much any country and religion - those groups will always exist.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1730368228235317534?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[arista]

https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1730368228235317534?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ


Yes Liam

LBC 10AM show
Left Winger pointed out those
Evil Views

[Nicky91]

thinking there are no innocent people in Gaza :facepalm:


once Israel is done with getting rid of Hamas, they themselves need to clean house in their parliament i feel


peace between israeli and palestinian people is one good thing to wish for in 2024



but this might only be possible once Hamas and Netanyahu and his loyalists are gone from power



i'm sure there are enough capable and good leadership worthy candidates in Israel



but yeah Hamas are terrorists, there i said it, same terror thugs as Al Qaeda or ISIL

[bots]

https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1730368228235317534?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

i think both sides will be indoctrinated from the moment they can walk and talk

[user104658]

thinking there are no innocent people in Gaza :facepalm:


once Israel is done with getting rid of Hamas, they themselves need to clean house in their parliament i feel


peace between israeli and palestinian people is one good thing to wish for in 2024



but this might only be possible once Hamas and Netanyahu and his loyalists are gone from power



i'm sure there are enough capable and good leadership worthy candidates in Israel



but yeah Hamas are terrorists, there i said it, same terror thugs as Al Qaeda or ISIL

People within Israel have been trying to get rid of Netanyahu for decades; frequently overlooked is that (by far) not everyone in Israel itself agrees with the actions of the Israeli government. Which sort of throws a spanner in the "goodies vs baddies" narrative.

[bots]

Netanyahu was accused of taking his eye off the ball and for not being tough enough in his response by his people.

I honestly think every country in the world would hit back fast and hard if a similar event happened to them. No amount of condemnation from outside forces could stop it

[user104658]

Netanyahu was accused of taking his eye off the ball and for not being tough enough in his response by his people.


Some of the people, again let's not paint an incredibly complex political situation as simple. There are (large) groups within Israel including prominent Israeli publications that have been extremely critical of the Israeli government's approach to Palestine/Gaza especially, and not at all for "not being tough enough".

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Nicky, he said Israel, not Judaism or Jews. It's odd, there's a conflation there that really doesn't happen with any other country.

In terms of what he actually said otherwise, there are certainly fringe groups within Israel who think that there should only be Jews in Israel, and that Israel should include all of Gaza and the West Bank, but that's true if pretty much any country and religion - those groups will always exist.

I agree with this .

Nicky is forthright in his views on this desperately sad conflict but he's never said anything antisemetic.
The wild and dangerous slurring accusations that gets thrown around on here ,of making or being antisemetic because of a distrust of the Israeli PM is wrong.

It seems criticism of anything Israel's government do is now being antisemetic.

This is a desperately sad conflict which has now gone on for weeks with no real serious breakthrough as to ending the absurd, cruel and wrong slaughter of innocents on both sides.
I found it depressing this morning to learn, the killing had started so quickly again.
With not surprisingly Hamas and Israels government blaming each other.

The USA, UK and even the EU seem impotent on constructively seeking an end to this.
A lot of talk with no action.

Hamas does need to be destroyed, they don't look out for the Palestinian people.
The citizens of Israel have their government and forces fighting to protect them.
Hamas don't care one bit about any but themselves.
The Palestinian citizens have NONE fighting to protect them.
While Hamas and the Israeli government see them put in greater danger by both and killed .

While the rest of the World looks on talking about it but letting the cruel slaughtering to continue.
It's heartbreaking.

[Livia]

I agree with this .

Nicky is forthright in his views on this desperately sad conflict but he's never said anything antisemetic.
The wild and dangerous slurring accusations that gets thrown around on here ,of making or being antisemetic because of a distrust of the Israeli PM is wrong.

It seems criticism of anything Israel's government do is now being antisemetic.

This is a desperately sad conflict which has now gone on for weeks with no real serious breakthrough as to ending the absurd, cruel and wrong slaughter of innocents on both sides.
I found it depressing this morning to learn, the killing had started so quickly again.
With not surprisingly Hamas and Israels government blaming each other.

The USA, UK and even the EU seem impotent on constructively seeking an end to this.
A lot of talk with no action.

Hamas does need to be destroyed, they don't look out for the Palestinian people.
The citizens of Israel have their government and forces fighting to protect them.
Hamas don't care one bit about any but themselves.
The Palestinian citizens have NONE fighting to protect them.
While Hamas and the Israeli government see them put in greater danger by both and killed .

While the rest of the World looks on talking about it but letting the cruel slaughtering to continue.
It's heartbreaking.


Nicky said Israel wants to get rid of all other religions and for Judaism to be the only religion in the world.

There are roughly 15 million Jews in the whole world, including Israel.

Nicky was wrong, as he often is, and I found his comment insulting. Neither you nor anyone else can tell me what I do or don't find anti-Semitic.

[Nicky91]

Nicky said Israel wants to get rid of all other religions and for Judaism to be the only religion in the world.

There are roughly 15 million Jews in the whole world, including Israel.

Nicky was wrong, as he often is, and I found his comment insulting. Neither you nor anyone else can tell me what I do or don't find anti-Semitic.

yes, in my nation Netherlands, we have jewish communities in Amsterdam, Rotterdam (our most multicultural city btw) and also The Hague


due to this conflict some jewish schools here are too afraid to remain open, but more do homeschooling with online lessons


due to rise of antisemitism here some who are pro-hamas (most protesters however are pro-palestinian and those are peaceful protesters, the ones who riot, look for jewish people are the ones who are pro-hamas, the troublemaker thugs, and they kinda also ruin it for those who support palestine in a more peaceful way)


antisemitism is bad i know that Livia, and you really don't need to worry as i am not antisemitic i swear, i would never behave myself in such a evil and vile way


i am anti-hamas, but i do support the innocent palestinian people, as well as i support the many innocent israeli people

[joeysteele]

Nicky said Israel wants to get rid of all other religions and for Judaism to be the only religion in the world.

There are roughly 15 million Jews in the whole world, including Israel.

Nicky was wrong, as he often is, and I found his comment insulting. Neither you nor anyone else can tell me what I do or don't find anti-Semitic.

I wouldn't presume to tell you what to find antisemetic.
I do know however that criticising the leader/s of Israel and it's governnent, is certainly not being antisemetic

However it's not right too to accuse or even infer on here that anyone does post antisemetic posts or that they could be.
It's neither nice or right for anyone to be made to feel they are seen as antisemetic when it's something they would never even want to be or in any way support.

[Beso]

Hopefully israel gets all hostages released during the ceasefire. Then bombs the **** out off everything that's left

[Alf]

"I follow what I'm told is good to follow, because I think that makes me the good person"

The following tweet does not include potentially sensitive material. Their word "potentially" is all you need to know to tell you that I'm correct on that.


1730729784450166888

[Alf]

The far left loves colonialism. It was always them that loved it. It's actually their elite masters that love it. They just follow their masters.



1730735902945640864According to this tweet. Some people from the middle East and Asia marching is sensitive. A bit racist.

[arista]

Hopefully Israel gets all hostages released during the ceasefire. Then bombs the **** out off everything that's left


Sadly, they will not get them Alive


Hamas is fighting back
We never get to see their side


Once on Ch4HDnews
they showed how Hamas can blow up
an Israel army truck,
full of troops
using one Rocket Missile
on their shoulder.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A564/production/_131904324_guardian-nc.png.webp

[user104658]

Israel continuing to push south is perhaps the least surprising development imaginable. It was always inevitable.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-40806a3c-d9b4-4594-ae91-c86c109ffc03.jpeg

[UserSince2005]

Isreal is so strong and determined to kill evil. Truly heroic. The world will thank them.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1730991247416766516?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Just casually admitting to making up a story about grieving parents using a doll to fake the death of their child as propaganda

[arista]

https://twitter.com/JakeWSimons/status/1730524304901615761

[Alf]

Why do the pro Palestine protesters always and only attack the working class?

What's the reason? Have you worked it out yet?



1731150690162974909

[user104658]

Times Square Maccies is working class? :think:

[arista]

Israel is so strong and determined to kill evil. Truly heroic. The world will thank them.

The Problem is they are killing
loads of the Public in Gaza.


Hamas are using the public to hide in.

[Cherie]

Times Square Maccies is working class? :think:

who do you think is working in there, women and teens and low paid workers who have done nothing to Palestine apart from turn up for work, that guy that harrassed the halal street food seller was rightly arrested and these people should be as well, you can hear some of the other protesters trying to move them on

[Nicky91]

The Problem is they are killing
loads of the Public in Gaza.


Hamas are using the public to hide in.

yes which is why i said bombing wasn't the way to go


if Hamas terrorists are hiding among the innocent palestinian citizens of Gaza, they should more be dealt with using special forces commando's, with help from the US Navy Seals (fighting terrorists you can ask for international fighting support) and those are highly trained for scenario's like this

[arista]

The LBC 10AM Live Debate.
On the new horrors found out of what
Evil Terrorists Hamas did to the women on Oct 7th.

And can anything,
change?

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal/status/1731567229118886048?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Cherie]

Meanwhile is a safe country like the UK

Police are investigating claims Jewish children have been prevented from getting on buses in London.

In one incident, several “visibly Jewish” schoolboys were waiting at Egerton Road bus stop in Stamford Hill, north London and signalled for it to stop. The driver initially slowed down but then continued without stopping, the complaint says.

It is claimed several passengers were encouraging the driver’s alleged actions, making antisemitic remarks and expressing their gratitude for the bus not stopping, the Met Police said. The incident is said to have occurred at around 8.05am on the 76 bus towards Waterloo, on 26 November.

The Independent

[arista]

[Police are investigating claims Jewish children have
been prevented from getting on buses in London.]

Yes Cherie
this should be on the main news

It is real bad news.

[Nicky91]

Meanwhile is a safe country like the UK

Police are investigating claims Jewish children have been prevented from getting on buses in London.

In one incident, several “visibly Jewish” schoolboys were waiting at Egerton Road bus stop in Stamford Hill, north London and signalled for it to stop. The driver initially slowed down but then continued without stopping, the complaint says.

It is claimed several passengers were encouraging the driver’s alleged actions, making antisemitic remarks and expressing their gratitude for the bus not stopping, the Met Police said. The incident is said to have occurred at around 8.05am on the 76 bus towards Waterloo, on 26 November.

The Independent

so awful :(

[Cherie]

[Police are investigating claims Jewish children have
been prevented from getting on buses in London.]

Yes Cherie
this should be on the main news

It is real bad news.

This won't make the news trust me

[arista]

This won't make the news trust me


Might do on tonight's
ITV1HD London News
and BBC1HD London News

[Ninastar]

1731379504914772039?

You can see in his face that he’s traumatised. Haunting

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1731791606703865991?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[arista]

Yes Liam,
that was Evil.

But Far Worse,
Evil Hamas Terrorists on Oct the 7th
raped young women
then murdered them


I do not understand Liam
he only posts endless tweets
against Israel.
All the time,
He Ignores Hamas?

[user104658]

Yes Liam,
that was Evil.

But Far Worse,
Evil Hamas Terrorists on Oct the 7th
raped young women
then murdered them


I do not understand Liam
he only posts endless tweets
against Israel.
All the time,
He Ignores Hamas?

Its called providing a counter-narrative - why do you "not understand" when Liam only posts negative articles about Israel but you've had no such "lack of understanding" about the multiple members who only post anti-Palestine articles and SoMed and who seem to completely ignore any that are critical of Israel?

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1731694855791780113?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

There’s a certain word for this.. but I can’t quite remember what they told us this entire thing wasn’t about :think:

[arista]

Its called providing a counter-narrative - why do you "not understand" when Liam only posts negative articles about Israel but you've had no such "lack of understanding" about the multiple members who only post anti-Palestine articles and SoMed and who seem to completely ignore any that are critical of Israel?


Nothing wrong
with showing the wrongs of Israel.


But Hamas
Escape Liam's mind.

[Oliver_W]

Nothing wrong
with showing the wrongs of Israel.


But Hamas
Escape Liam's mind.

Why is only showing "one side" a problem all of a sudden?

[arista]

Why is only showing "one side" a problem all of a sudden?


He just posts Tweets.
thats like LT


Admin asked LT to do
more on that

[Nicky91]

Hamas are evil


no one says otherwise though


defending palestinians isn't defending hamas :umm2:



Hamas needs to be wiped out, but more like the correct way, the cleanest way without too much loss of innocent life


i can fully understand the criticism around Benjamin Netanyahu from the israeli people (but thankfully he'll only remain in power until Hamas are gone) maybe under a new government, things could change for the good in terms of israeli-palestinian relations

[user104658]

Hamas are evil


no one says otherwise though


defending palestinians isn't defending hamas :umm2:



Hamas needs to be wiped out, but more like the correct way, the cleanest way without too much loss of innocent life


i can fully understand the criticism around Benjamin Netanyahu from the israeli people (but thankfully he'll only remain in power until Hamas are gone) maybe under a new government, things could change for the good in terms of israeli-palestinian relations

That's the real crux of the issue. Putting aside the various reasons that terrorist organisations form and exist... it's hard to define Hamas as anything but a terrorist organisation. However, then remembering those reasons that terrorist organisations exist, it becomes ludicrous to accept that Israel's bombing campaign is an attempt to eradicate or even reduce terrorism: this sort of military action bolsters terrorist recruitment and increases the threat of terrorism. That is a simple fact.

Thus you immediately have to look for the simplest explanation: that they're using a "war on terror" to further other goals. In this case, the clear intent is to depopulate Gaza entirely. As I've said before, I dont think it's as "simple" as a religious genocide, it's not that they want to kill Muslims, they just want that land emptied. They do not care if the people there die, or simply leave, they just want them gone.

That sort of action - killing or displacing millions of civilians - is hard to justify, and thus there's been an absolutely massive propaganda campaign to create justification. It is ABUNDANTLY clear to anyone with any vague interest or knowledge of global politics or history, that the Israeli response to 7th Oct is at this point massively disproportionate. I find it odd that more people aren't asking themselves why.

[bots]

That's the real crux of the issue. Putting aside the various reasons that terrorist organisations form and exist... it's hard to define Hamas as anything but a terrorist organisation. However, then remembering those reasons that terrorist organisations exist, it becomes ludicrous to accept that Israel's bombing campaign is an attempt to eradicate or even reduce terrorism: this sort of military action bolsters terrorist recruitment and increases the threat of terrorism. That is a simple fact.

Thus you immediately have to look for the simplest explanation: that they're using a "war on terror" to further other goals. In this case, the clear intent is to depopulate Gaza entirely. As I've said before, I dont think it's as "simple" as a religious genocide, it's not that they want to kill Muslims, they just want that land emptied. They do not care if the people there die, or simply leave, they just want them gone.

That sort of action - killing or displacing millions of civilians - is hard to justify, and thus there's been an absolutely massive propaganda campaign to create justification. It is ABUNDANTLY clear to anyone with any vague interest or knowledge of global politics or history, that the Israeli response to 7th Oct is at this point massively disproportionate. I find it odd that more people aren't asking themselves why.

It reduces the direct threat to Israel from Hamas, which is here and now. So, obviously its different to what may happen in the future. Now, as we speak, the terrorist organisation want to wipe out Israel. Any action taken against them by Israel will reduce the threat

[arista]

Israel IDF
are going to Flood the Tunnels
killing all the Hamas in them.

[user104658]

It reduces the direct threat to Israel from Hamas, which is here and now. So, obviously its different to what may happen in the future. Now, as we speak, the terrorist organisation want to wipe out Israel. Any action taken against them by Israel will reduce the threat

I disagree and the entire history of the effect of taking disproportionate conventional military action in response to terror attacks suggests otherwise as well. Did the US' "shock and awe" campaign reduce terrorism?

[bots]

I disagree and the entire history of the effect of taking disproportionate conventional military action in response to terror attacks suggests otherwise as well. Did the US' "shock and awe" campaign reduce terrorism?

Your not listening to me. I am not talking about terrorism in 1, 5 or 10 years. I'm talking about now. Destroying hamas and its infrastructure removes the threat Hamas poses to Israel now. That is simply fact

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5FDF/production/_131934542_guard06dec1front01-nc.png.webp

[Oliver_W]

Your not listening to me. I am not talking about terrorism in 1, 5 or 10 years. I'm talking about now. Destroying hamas and its infrastructure removes the threat Hamas poses to Israel now. That is simply fact

Eliminating Hamas and allowing Palestine to hold legitimate elections, without interference from outside, would be the solution in a perfect world.

But people seeing attacks from outside, especially people who have been radicalised (brainwashed) from birth by everything and everyone around them, including the education system etc etc, is only going to radicalise them further.

[arista]

"hold legitimate elections"

Yes only if Hamas has gone from Gaza.

But many are saying that could take years?

[Oliver_W]

"hold legitimate elections"

Yes only if Hamas has gone from Gaza.

But many are saying that could take years?

And who's to say whatever took their place wouldn't be as bad? Getting rid of Hamas wouldn't de-programme their people.

But they should have the choice.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/06/11/78638907-12831871-Video_shared_by_Israeli_media_also_appears_to_show _IDF_soldiers_-m-3_1701861750415.jpg


IDF getting the Water Pumped into the Hamas tunnels


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/06/11/78638909-12831871-image-a-4_1701861780434.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12831871/First-images-Israel-preparing-flood-Hamas-tunnels-sea-water-troops-set-pipes-pumps-Gaza.html

[arista]

And who's to say whatever took their place wouldn't be as bad? Getting rid of Hamas wouldn't de-programme their people.

But they should have the choice.


Yes
that goes back to 9/11
When that Evil Terrorist group
beat America.

The Weapon of a Plane full of fuels

2 Rich Arabs took Flying lesson in Florida
all they leant was how to fly steady
not take off or land.

They paid, in full, so all was in order.
A report went to someone
in the FBI, who never followed it up.

[Ninastar]

Eliminating Hamas and allowing Palestine to hold legitimate elections, without interference from outside, would be the solution in a perfect world.

But people seeing attacks from outside, especially people who have been radicalised (brainwashed) from birth by everything and everyone around them, including the education system etc etc, is only going to radicalise them further.

They need to be eradicated and then we need troops from all over the world to stay and help rebuild and keep an eye on things. They still have people stationed in Germany and everything there has been stable for decades

[bots]

We used to have a UN peacekeeping force over there and all that happened was they got shot and blown up without taking any defensive action

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/drkarimwafa/status/1732401551984001253?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Ninastar]

We used to have a UN peacekeeping force over there and all that happened was they got shot and blown up without taking any defensive action

Killing peace keepers should be a war crime

[Nicky91]

Killing peace keepers should be a war crime

Israel never commits war crimes though



more antisemitism in here

[Ninastar]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that but ok cool I guess??

[Nicky91]

mvUClDPFsGA

many hamas terrorists captured :clap1: :clap1:

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1731694855791780113?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

There’s a certain word for this.. but I can’t quite remember what they told us this entire thing wasn’t about :think:

The word is Annexation. Which no-one would reasonably deny is what Israel wants to do with the Gaza Strip.

Were you thinking of another word?

[Nicky91]

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218332312/israel-hamas-war-us-ceasefire-veto-un


The United States vetoed a resolution calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war at the United Nations Security Council on Friday.

The Security Council vote on the resolution, backed by Arab states, had 13 in favor and one — the U.S. — against, while the United Kingdom abstained.

After the vote, the U.S. deputy representative to the U.N., Robert Wood, said the resolution was rushed and ignored U.S. diplomatic efforts to get more aid into Gaza and free hostages taken by Hamas militants in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

"We propose language ... that would have reinforced the life-saving diplomacy we have undertaken since Oct. 7, increased opportunities for humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, encourage the release of hostages and the resumption of humanitarian pauses and laid a foundation for a durable peace," Wood said.

"Unfortunately, nearly all of our recommendations were ignored."

Arab countries urge the U.S. to push for a truce
Several foreign ministers of Arab countries that have been pushing for a cease-fire met U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Washington shortly after the U.S. veto.

While Blinken's aides say he wanted to talk about the future of Gaza, once Israel defeats Hamas, Jordan's foreign minister, Ayman Safadi, rejected that approach.

"Today's failure to support the call for a humanitarian cease-fire is an endorsement of further killing of Palestinians, further violations of international law, further commitment of war crimes," Safadi said.

"Israel is basically doing whatever it wants, in defiance even of its allies, creating a horrific situation in Gaza, and then wants us to come in and clean the mess. We will not do that."

He was joined by the foreign ministers of Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabia in calling for a cease-fire in Gaza.

The draft didn't condemn Hamas
Wood said the resolution's authors declined to condemn Hamas' Oct. 7 attack that killed 1,200 people, including women, children and elderly.

In response to the Hamas attack, Israel's two-month military campaign has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, most of them women and children, according to the territory's Health Ministry, which does not differentiate between civilian and combatant casualties in its figures.

Wood added that the draft also "failed to acknowledge that Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorism."

Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Gilad Erdan thanked the U.S. "for standing firmly by our side."

Writing on X, formerly Twitter, he said: "A ceasefire will be possible only with the return of all the hostages and the destruction of Hamas."

The U.S. has previously vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution on similar grounds. Russia and China vetoed a U.S. resolution to condemn the Hamas attack, call for the release of hostages and allow aid into Gaza.

Earlier this week, U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres invoked a rarely used article of the U.N. Charter to urge the Security Council to "press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe" and pass a resolution for a "humanitarian cease-fire between Israel and Palestinian militants."

.

[user104658]

The word is Annexation. Which no-one would reasonably deny is what Israel wants to do with the Gaza Strip.

Were you thinking of another word?

Annexation does not involve the removal of the current civilian population.

[Nicky91]

Annexation does not involve the removal of the current civilian population.

palestine isn't a country so they do not have own rights of that territory


;)


that territory is rightfully israeli ground, but yeah first all palestinians have to go

[arista]

Look Nicky

Once HAMAS has gone

The IDF are out of there.

Some have put up a white flag,
and are now locked up.
Others are dead.

[Z]

It's getting to be like that Black Mirror episode Men Against Fire, how are they even defining what Hamas is and how will anyone know when they've been 'eradicated'? It seems frighteningly inevitable that a mass outbreak of any number of diseases is going to begin any day now in these cramped conditions they've created for civilians being displaced multiple times, no food, bad weather, lots of dead bodies, no functioning hospitals...

[arista]

Great to have you Back

Z .

[joeysteele]

It's getting to be like that Black Mirror episode Men Against Fire, how are they even defining what Hamas is and how will anyone know when they've been 'eradicated'? It seems frighteningly inevitable that a mass outbreak of any number of diseases is going to begin any day now in these cramped conditions they've created for civilians being displaced multiple times, no food, bad weather, lots of dead bodies, no functioning hospitals...

One very strong thought provoking post is this.

[Ninastar]

Z :love:

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/jmpsimor/status/1733939093745078648?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Oliver_W]

mvUClDPFsGA

many hamas terrorists captured :clap1: :clap1:

https://twitter.com/jmpsimor/status/1733939093745078648?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Are these different viewpoints of the same thing?

[user104658]

The silence is indeed deafening: there'd be outrage if this was images of Hamas with prisoners.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/drkarimwafa/status/1734091803983290391?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

I can’t decide which is worse, the propaganda itself or the fact that the propaganda is so bad because they expect people to either a) be stupid enough to fall for it or b) not care that it’s obviously propaganda and spread it anyway because they want more children to be slaughtered

[arista]

https://twitter.com/drkarimwafa/status/1734091803983290391?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

I can’t decide which is worse, the propaganda itself or the fact that the propaganda is so bad because they expect people to either a) be stupid enough to fall for it or b) not care that it’s obviously propaganda and spread it anyway because they want more children to be slaughtered


If only Hamas
would give themselves up?

[Oliver_W]

If only Hamas
would give themselves up?

They obviously think Israel('s leadership) should do similar :shrug: none of them are going to just roll over.

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/jmpsimor/status/1733939093745078648?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

shocking and unacceptable but as for the silence are the people who denied 7 October even happened asking this question...irony

[user104658]

shocking and unacceptable but

https://media1.tenor.com/m/knJRC3ryys0AAAAC/scarlett-gone.gif

[Cherie]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/knJRC3ryys0AAAAC/scarlett-gone.gif

not surprising from someone who said the hostages looked fine, a few clean clothes all is forgiven

[user104658]

not surprising from someone who said the hostages looked fine, a few clean clothes all is forgiven

Quote me, liar.

[arista]

I am Glad the young lad crying
is Alive

[joeysteele]

I fear the UK and USA are going to be in a spot here if they keep unconditionally supporting Netanyahu.
He seems set on a path of danger too for the area, as well as Hamas are too.

Meanwhile way too much slaughtering of innocents seems to be just being allowed to go on.

No Nation should be given support for that.

[Cherie]

Quote me, liar.

The hostages all look remarkably clean and healthy considering ......

.

[Cherie]

I fear the UK and USA are going to be in a spot here if they keep unconditionally supporting Netanyahu.
He seems set on a path of danger too for the area, as well as Hamas are too.

Meanwhile way too much slaughtering of innocents seems to be just being allowed to go on.

No Nation should be given support for that.

Israel are going too far, Hamas continue to shell Israel, there are no winners, the Palestinians people are living in terrible conditions, and Jewish people all over the world are living in fear

[bots]

When has war ever been nice. When has war ever been fair? People are trying to apply standards to something that doesn't have standards. People dying in wars is the only certainty

[Oliver_W]

not surprising from someone who said the hostages looked fine, a few clean clothes all is forgiven

To be fair he also called out the use of "It's a shame about what happened on 7 Oct, buut -"

[user104658]

.

So you actually looked up the post that you're using to justify an accusation of "they were given clean clothes so all is forgiven" and actively chose to cherry pick the shorter pack of it to back up your disingenuous point? Sadly Cherie other people can also scroll back.

That whole post in actual context;

The hostages all look remarkably clean and healthy considering the "unimaginable" things that "must" have been being done to them by their captors ... some have repeatedly insisted.

It's a difficult thing to bring up of course - being kidnapped and held hostage in any regard is obviously an extremely traumatic event during which one would fear for their lives daily - I'm not downplaying what these people have experienced. Just pointing out that it doesn't QUITE appear to match up with the conditions that people have been insisting they will have been kept in, and the abuse people have been insisting they will have been subject to, by their "animal" captors.

I was referencing the insistence of certain members that the kidnapped children would have been raped, subjected to unimaginable torture, and probably murdered by their captors. Which turned out not to be the case. I was calling out the double standards and propaganda then, just as now.

[Cherie]

So you actually looked up the post that you're using to justify an accusation of "they were given clean clothes so all is forgiven" and actively chose to cherry pick the shorter pack of it to back up your disingenuous point? Sadly Cherie other people can also scroll back.

That whole post in actual context;



I was referencing the insistence of certain members that the kidnapped children would have been raped, subjected to unimaginable torture, and probably murdered by their captors. Which turned out not to be the case. I was calling out the double standards and propaganda then, just as now.


Lol I cherry picked on purpose just like you did mine, its not just you can cherry pick you know, and I could have predicted your response ....

my point was pretty valid before you cherry picked it, the people moaning about silence are the same ones who are silent when the boot is on the other foot ...if you didn't get that point I can't help it

[user104658]

Lol I cherry picked on purpose just like you did mine, its not just you can cherry pick you know, and I could have predicted your response ....

my point was pretty valid before you cherry picked it, the people moaning about silence are the same ones who are silent when the boot is on the other foot ...if you didn't get that point I can't help it

My point was only that I don't believe for a split second that you actually believe that anything being done in Gaza or to Palestinian captives is shocking or unacceptable, it was an obligatory and insincere disclaimer before making a jibe about "people who don't think Oct 7 ever happened" - whoever those people supposedly are.

[Nicky91]

another cease fire lol, Israel is right, they don't have to stick to that cease fire, they have the rights to defend themselves


Netherlands once again abstained from voting

[Cherie]

My point was only that I don't believe for a split second that you actually believe that anything being done in Gaza or to Palestinian captives is shocking or unacceptable, it was an obligatory and insincere disclaimer before making a jibe about "people who don't think Oct 7 ever happened" - whoever those people supposedly are.

Well you can think what you like :shrug: I know what is in my heart and I really don't care what your opinion of me is, the fact is you are wrong..end of, I could levy the suggestion that you are an antisemite, is that true?

You are being disingenous as usual, you know full well there are people who don't believe 7th Oct ever happened and that Israel killed everyone despite evidence to the contrary and yes at least one posts in this thread, I will let you with your enormous brain figure out who that is

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1734946212531326990?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Did they condemn hamas before they were executed though? That’s the most important question these days

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1734927534393827727?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Nicky91]

now also fears for an epidemic in Gaza of contagious illnesses, and with no hospitals to treat these people in, the situation is very severe



also when countries like Russia even vote for a ceasefire, you know how deep Israel are in the **** if even Russia can show compassion for the citizens in Gaza



Ukraine abstaining from the vote doesn't surprise me (i mean its not their country tbh, they out of all people should know what the Gazan people must feel like right now :idc: but nope)




and the EBU is protecting Israel even though it is crystal clear to see what genocide they commit at Gaza with random bombings at hospitals, schools even though they could've dealt with Hamas bases a better way like with US Navy Seals and the Mossad forces (i mean USA are no.1 experts in fighting terrorism they really would've said yes if you asked nicely Benny) i can't @ how low the amount of braincells are in the israeli government


agree with Biden what he says, if you keep going on with indiscriminate bombings you quickly will lose support and sympathies

[user104658]

Tbf Nicky, Middle East Politics is such that it's not surprising at all that Russia is in support of Gaza/Palestine (or rather, in opposition to Israel). The Middle East post-WW2 has been the center of one big proxy war between the US and Russia (prev. The Soviet Union) and Israel is and always has been, of course, heavily US-aligned.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1734927534393827727?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ


Why will that video not play?

[Oliver_W]

Why will that video not play?

It's a screenshot of an article.

[arista]

It's a screenshot of an article.


Typical of Liam.

[Oliver_W]

Typical of Liam.

:nono:

He didn't do the screenshot, that's not fair.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/joshuaphilll/status/1735681199366914079?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[arista]

:nono:

He didn't do the screenshot, that's not fair.

Of Course
but it is easy
to add this, is a screenshot
so will not play



I bloody would

[arista]

Sad news
IDF Shot Dead
3 hostages, one had a white flag.
They shot them too fast,
Massive error.

Called Friendly Fire.

[Cherie]

Sad news
IDF Shot Dead
3 hostages, one had a white flag.
They shot them too fast,
Massive error.

Called Friendly Fire.

shocking they are way too trigger happy

[joeysteele]

Sad news
IDF Shot Dead
3 hostages, one had a white flag.
They shot them too fast,
Massive error.

Called Friendly Fire.

Disgraceful.
Terrible news.

[Oliver_W]

Sad news
IDF Shot Dead
3 hostages, one had a white flag.
They shot them too fast,
Massive error.

Called Friendly Fire.
Ridiculous that they opened fire on anyone under a white flag.


Putting a few lines of text, helps
He almost never actually comments on the tweets he posts, he's not gonna start just to make your life easier :laugh:

[user104658]

There were actually Hamas tunnels under those hostages so.

[bots]

People are again showing their naivety about war. This type of stuff happens all the time.

In the first gulf war, the UK lost more armed forces from being fired on by america than they did from anyone else in the war

[Oliver_W]

armed forces

So not hostages under a white flag?

[bots]

So not hostages under a white flag?

white flags only have a meaning in dramatised movies

[user104658]

People are again showing their naivety about war. This type of stuff happens all the time.

In the first gulf war, the UK lost more armed forces from being fired on by america than they did from anyone else in the war

Its hard to call this incident friendly fire or even usual collateral damage. So much leeway given to Israel in any and all circumstances, that's what's really showing.

[arista]

Its hard to call this incident friendly fire or even usual collateral damage. So much leeway given to Israel in any and all circumstances, that's what's really showing.


It was the same in the USA/UK invasion of Iraq

It is a strange term
all use.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf Nicky, Middle East Politics is such that it's not surprising at all that Russia is in support of Gaza/Palestine (or rather, in opposition to Israel). The Middle East post-WW2 has been the center of one big proxy war between the US and Russia (prev. The Soviet Union) and Israel is and always has been, of course, heavily US-aligned.

Too true.

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/joshuaphilll/status/1735681199366914079?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Wtf kind of nonsense is that School pulling?

1. The Mom should be able to say her opinion on this topic on Social Media.

2. The kid shouldn't be being punished for what another family member has said, holy **** I can't believe that there's a School out there that can't comprehend this.

[Mystic Mock]

People are again showing their naivety about war. This type of stuff happens all the time.

In the first gulf war, the UK lost more armed forces from being fired on by america than they did from anyone else in the war

That's because the Americans are crazy.

































I'm just joking... Kinda.:laugh:

[user104658]

It was the same in the USA/UK invasion of Iraq

It is a strange term
all use.

It's generally used to refer to the military though, either the same military or one that's allied being caught in crossfire or a bombing run etc; e.g. US or UK soldiers caught in a US drone strike.

Its not generally used to refer to the gunning down of unarmed civilian hostages.

[joeysteele]

My patience with Natanyahu and his hard-line governnent is well worn down now.

The Israelis warrant better than the divisive Natanyahu.
However I see little hope at all now for the Palestinian citizens even after this slaughtering is brought to an end.

They cannot turn to the UK/USA who still seem to refuse to accept that Natanyahu and his governnent are making terrible mistakes and not listening to even to their allies either now.

What a series of tragedies, over many decades, for 2 Nations who surely, there can be a way to ensure more peaceful existence between the 2 of them.
Allowing this cruel and torturous slaughtering to go on of innocents, is really shocking.
It's just heartbreaking.

[joeysteele]

My patience with Natanyahu and his hard-line governnent is well worn down now.

The Israelis warrant better than the divisive Natanyahu.
However I see little hope at all now for the Palestinian citizens even after this slaughtering is brought to an end.

They cannot turn to the UK/USA who still seem to refuse to accept that Natanyahu and his governnent are making terrible mistakes and not listening to even to their allies either now.

What a series of tragedies, over many decades, for 2 Nations who surely, there can be a way to ensure more peaceful existence between the 2 of them.
Allowing this cruel and torturous slaughtering to go on of innocents, is really shocking.
It's just heartbreaking.

[bots]

It's generally used to refer to the military though, either the same military or one that's allied being caught in crossfire or a bombing run etc; e.g. US or UK soldiers caught in a US drone strike.

Its not generally used to refer to the gunning down of unarmed civilian hostages.

how about when Russia went after terrorists that had taken hostages in a theatre and they gassed the whole building. Not a soldier in sight

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-10f2b0a2-1d1f-4c6c-9d22-53ebe5372da0.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1b0a468b-712a-4d7a-bd87-cea060725c33.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-626169ab-471d-4525-b003-199095d0b8f4.png

[Nicky91]

how about when Russia went after terrorists that had taken hostages in a theatre and they gassed the whole building. Not a soldier in sight

more russophobia

[Nicky91]

i find Netanyahu way worse and more evil than Putin honestly


obsessing over killing terrorists, and forgetting about the hostages, just so he can achieve his main goal at whatever cost


i hope israeli people will storm the government building tbh to overthrow Netanyahu, with him gone negotiations can resume in a better way

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-CRXROorw

8mins

At 6:50 mins he quotes Hamas Leader


Bill Maher Breaks it all down
about how wrong Hamas is.



Even has the UK taking over
the Tip Of Ireland.
But agreement ended that war of 30 years.


That ending clip, part of the whole show
was on our SkyComedyHD
a few weeks back

[joeysteele]

Netanyahu undoubtedly is likely the worst leader for Israel to have at this time.

He really doesn't seem to be or even want to listen to anyone or his allies even.

With him as leader, it's a sad day overall for Israeli citizens and Palestinians.
Or for any kind of reasoning voices from allied Nations.
That's where I'm at with him and this still ongoing conflict now.

[bots]

it's a joint government for the war, so it can't all be piled on Netanyahu

[joeysteele]

it's a joint government for the war, so it can't all be piled on Netanyahu

Not all admittedly

However he doesn't seem to be listening to his own citizens never mind those from allied Nations.
He is the leader.

I've never liked Netanyahu.
I hoped for different but once he was elected I expected conflict at some point.

Hamas played into his hands and the Israeli government is right to hunt down Hamas
However the slaughtering has got way out of line and a growing number of Countries are far more than uncomfortable with continuing slaughter of innocents.

[arista]

Loads of Angry Pro Palestine people
are in London, Carnaby St.,
Protesting loudly outside a Puma Store
as they support a Israel team.

Just on SkyNewsHD

[Oliver_W]

Apparently they've essentially shut down Oxford Street? I can't imagine how annoying it must be for Londoners, to have foreign conflicts constantly swarming their streets and getting in the way.

Don't the protesters have lives?

[arista]

Apparently they've essentially shut down Oxford Street? I can't imagine how annoying it must be for Londoners, to have foreign conflicts constantly swarming their streets and getting in the way.

Don't the protesters have lives?


Yes they do not care.

[bots]

Apparently they've essentially shut down Oxford Street? I can't imagine how annoying it must be for Londoners, to have foreign conflicts constantly swarming their streets and getting in the way.

Don't the protesters have lives?

on the shops busiest day of the year

[Oliver_W]

on the shops busiest day of the year

It's certainly a way to get the message out there tbh.

But as always, it's the ordinary people they're annoying, instead of the elite.

[Cherie]

on the shops busiest day of the year


pretty disgraceful, the retail workers do not deserve this, its not like the owners are on the shop floor working their asses off...honestly these protesters need to get a grip and they should be sidelined into a small space now enough already

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1738637477450309985?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

At least they’re starting to be honest for a change, even after most people could see that this was obvious from the start

[arista]

Yes Liam
IDF must Kill or capture
every Hamas member.

Of Course,
some are hidden among the crowd
that are still in Gaza.

Sadly Food has run out

[Oliver_W]

Did anyone really think that the return of the hostages would end the actual war?

Gaza's ownership would still be ... contested, and Palestine would still be run by a terrorist group whose charter is basically "kill the Jews".

[Nicky91]

Yes Liam
IDF must Kill or capture
every Hamas member.

Of Course,
some are hidden among the crowd
that are still in Gaza.

Sadly Food has run out

yes, good so all hamas terrorists can now starve, easier to kill by the israeli troops

[arista]

yes, good so all hamas terrorists can now starve, easier to kill by the israeli troops

No,
the Food has run out for the Public.


Hamas have food.

[Nicky91]

No,
the Food has run out for the Public.


Hamas have food.

oh well, not my problem that those palestinians are that dumb



convenient of dictator Abbas to only give Hamas all the food

[user104658]

Did anyone really think that the return of the hostages would end the actual war?

Gaza's ownership would still be ... contested, and Palestine would still be run by a terrorist group whose charter is basically "kill the Jews".

Its increasingly evident that politically, this has never been about hostages. Or Hamas.

[bots]

the war will go on until it stops and that could be in 100 years for all we know. It may change in intensity, but there will still be a war

[Oliver_W]

Its increasingly evident that politically, this has never been about hostages. Or Hamas.

Maybe so. But Hamas aren't exactly passive in all this. I didn't even mean that as whataboutery, it seems like a war between two aggressors, rather than either side defending themselves.

[bots]

The hostages would have been assumed lost on day 1. Obviously, publicly, they can't say that, but that was the reality and the fact they got back about 100 of them is beyond wildest expectations. No war, in the history of the world, has ever been decided by the fate of hostages

[arista]

Today
an 18-year-old Israeli lad
refused to do his Military Service,

He was Jailed Fast.

Ref:Al Jazeera HD Live

[joeysteele]

Netanyahu is a problem here and will drag down the USA and UK unless he listens to some reason.

Hamas is the enemy yes.
The statement that the Israeli government and forces are taking steps to minimise the losses of Palestinian civilians is really concerning.

I cannot myself now say the Israeli government and forces are doing much right in this now.
It saddens me to say it.
However Netanyahu clearly has his own agenda.

[Nicky91]

Netanyahu is a problem here and will drag down the USA and UK unless he listens to some reason.

Hamas is the enemy yes.
The statement that the Israeli government and forces are taking steps to minimise the losses of Palestinian civilians is really concerning.

I cannot myself now say the Israeli government and forces are doing much right in this now.
It saddens me to say it.
However Netanyahu clearly has his own agenda.

pretty sure this will likely lead to more terror attacks in the USA and UK and it'll then be Netanyahu's fault


Hamas is the enemy yup correct who need to be defeated, and even the Pope is right, this isn't war anymore this is also terrorism from Israel onto the civilians in Gaza

[bots]

the usa and the uk are not as vocal in their support now. They still support them but they wont shout about it so much. They will support behind closed doors

[arista]

USA secretary Blinkin
is flying to Jordan.

He is speaking Live in Crete, Greece
he wants to help get the hostages released.

[joeysteele]

I'm really saddened by the rhetoric coming from Netanyahu and the Israeli government.

It seems too, many Israeli citizens are too.

This is an extremely worrying conflict and only seems to have the potential to bring about more and more losses of lives of innocents.

[arista]

Yesterday
2 Al Jazeera journalists were killed.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1744409469042241851

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm really saddened by the rhetoric coming from Netanyahu and the Israeli government.

It seems too, many Israeli citizens are too.

This is an extremely worrying conflict and only seems to have the potential to bring about more and more losses of lives of innocents.

Israeli rhetoric hasn't changed for decades. It's a shame that people either chose not to listen, or pretended it wasn't real.

[arista]

[Senior Hezbollah Commander
killed in an Israeli strike]

[Wissam Tawil, a senior commander with
the Islamist Hezbollah movement,
has been killed in an Israeli drone bomb
attack in southern Lebanon
Reports suggest a car Tawil was in
was targeted in the Khirbet Selm area,
before veering off the road and catching fire]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67906496

[bots]

UK and US naval forces have repelled the largest attack yet by Yemen's Houthi rebels on Red Sea shipping, UK Defence Secretary Grant Shapps says.

Carrier-based jets and warships shot down 21 drones and missiles launched by the Iran-backed group overnight.

The Houthis said they targeted a US ship in retaliation for the killing of rebels who tried to attack a container ship by using speed boats last month.

Mr Shapps said he had "no doubt" that Iran was heavily behind such attacks.

Asked about possible Western strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen in response, he said: "Watch this space."

The Houthis have carried out 26 attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea since 19 November, according to the US military.

The group has claimed - often falsely - that it is targeting ships linked to Israel in protest at Israeli actions during the war in the Gaza Strip.

The US military said Iranian-designed one-way attack drones, anti-ship cruise missiles and anti-ship ballistic missiles were launched from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen towards international shipping lanes in the southern Red Sea at around 21:15 local time (18:15 GMT) on Tuesday.

Eighteen drones, two cruise missiles and one ballistic missile were shot down by F/A-18 warplanes from the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D Eisenhower, which is deployed in the Red Sea, and by four destroyers, the USS Gravely, USS Laboon, USS Mason and HMS Diamond.

HMS Diamond shot down seven Houthi drones using its Sea Viper missiles and guns, a defence source told the BBC. Each of the missiles costs more than £1m ($1.3m).

No injuries or damage were reported.

Later, Houthi military spokesman Yahya al-Sarea confirmed that its forces had carried out an operation involving "a large number of ballistic and naval missiles and drones".

"It targeted a US ship that was providing support for the Zionist entity [Israel]," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67932725

[Zizu]

UK and US naval forces have repelled the largest attack yet by Yemen's Houthi rebels on Red Sea shipping, UK Defence Secretary Grant Shapps says.

Carrier-based jets and warships shot down 21 drones and missiles launched by the Iran-backed group overnight.

The Houthis said they targeted a US ship in retaliation for the killing of rebels who tried to attack a container ship by using speed boats last month.

Mr Shapps said he had "no doubt" that Iran was heavily behind such attacks.

Asked about possible Western strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen in response, he said: "Watch this space."

The Houthis have carried out 26 attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea since 19 November, according to the US military.

The group has claimed - often falsely - that it is targeting ships linked to Israel in protest at Israeli actions during the war in the Gaza Strip.

The US military said Iranian-designed one-way attack drones, anti-ship cruise missiles and anti-ship ballistic missiles were launched from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen towards international shipping lanes in the southern Red Sea at around 21:15 local time (18:15 GMT) on Tuesday.

Eighteen drones, two cruise missiles and one ballistic missile were shot down by F/A-18 warplanes from the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D Eisenhower, which is deployed in the Red Sea, and by four destroyers, the USS Gravely, USS Laboon, USS Mason and HMS Diamond.

HMS Diamond shot down seven Houthi drones using its Sea Viper missiles and guns, a defence source told the BBC. Each of the missiles costs more than £1m ($1.3m).

No injuries or damage were reported.

Later, Houthi military spokesman Yahya al-Sarea confirmed that its forces had carried out an operation involving "a large number of ballistic and naval missiles and drones".

"It targeted a US ship that was providing support for the Zionist entity [Israel]," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67932725


We are far too soft and that’s why the country is essentially dying before our very eyes .


Shapps as apparently said if the attackers ( Iran) continue then we will ( may ) do something.

Can you imagine any other country saying that as a deterrent


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[Nicky91]

then the US don't need to support the genocide loving nations, easy

otherwise you get attacked as well

[The Slim Reaper]

1745398038107959577

[The Slim Reaper]

1745396183562895711

[Stu]

w87CcLpVBpc

Incredible.

[Vanessa]

Nothing justifies the killing of children.
This is maas scale genocide.

[joeysteele]

w87CcLpVBpc

Incredible.

Just awful and heartbreaking to even think of the slaughtering going on.
Never mind knowing it is.

This is awful.

[Vanessa]

Just awful and heartbreaking to even think of the slaughtering going on.
Never mind knowing it is.

This is awful.

Those poor children :sad:

[bots]

US and UK forces have begun air strikes against Houthi rebel targets in Yemen, US officials say.

A senior Houthi has said that "hostile actions" by the US, UK or Israel will not "distract us from defending Gaza".

Abdulsalam Jahaf posted on X (in Arabic): "We will confront America, kneel it down, and burn its battleships and all its bases and everyone who co-operates with it, no matter what the cost."

He also vowed that the Houthis would "continue to target Zionist ships and those going to [Israel]".

"We will tread on America with our feet," he continued, adding that his words should be taken neither as a threat nor a warning.

[The Slim Reaper]

More absolutely shameful behaviour.

[Vanessa]

Has anyone been following South Africa trial against Israel?
Interesting stuff. I really hope Palestine win their case. Genocide is never justified.

[bots]

UK Jets take off from cyprus

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/1/12/0702c29c-0e5c-439b-bcac-d1213206abf0.jpg

US Ship firing missiles

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/1/12/de677f73-7de9-42d5-9b72-b4a85d60b8a1.jpg

[Ammi]

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Incredible.

…such an outstandingly powerful speech from Blinne Ni Ghralaigh…it’s impossible to imagine the horrors in Gaza atm, the horror that has become an everyday world …words just couldn’t describe and yet somehow, her words did describe every brutal act…her words bring it all into vision and you could feel how much those in the room felt that too…