Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets [Archive] - Page 5 - ThisisBigBrother.com

Livia

19-10-2023, 09:57 AM

“Now Hamas will discuss when we will wipe out Israel.”
– Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-chief-we-wont-discuss-recognizing-israel-only-wiping-it-out/

“We must attack every Jew on planet Earth! We must slaughter and kill them”
– Fathi Hammad, Senior Hamas official
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-political-bureau-fathi-hammad-explosive-belts-knives-slaughter-kill-jews-all-over-world-israel-one-week-ultimatum

“Jews are the vilest and most despicable nation in history.”
– Marwan Abu Ras, Hamas official
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-mp-marwan-abu-ras-friday-sermon-jews-are-vilest-nation-history

“Oh Allah, bring annihilation upon the Jews.”
– Hamas official Sheikh Dr. Hamad Al-Regeb
https://www.memri.org/tv/rafah-gaza-friday-sermon-hamas-official-regeb-allah-necks-jews-annihilate-them

“When we talk about ‘peaceful resistance,’ we are deceiving the public.”
– Hamas co-founder Mahmoud al Zahar
https://www.memri.org/tv/senior-hamas-official-mahmoud-zahhar-on-gaza-protests-this-is-not-peaceful-resistance

“We will take down the border and tear out their hearts from their bodies.”
– Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFbf6VG7uA

“Israel will come to an end just as it began... The day will come when people will ask ‘where did Israel go?’”
– Mousa Abu Marzouk, Senior Hamas leader
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamass-forever-war-against-israel-has-a-glitch-and-it-isnt-iron-dome/

“For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry... This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: ‘We desire death like you desire life.’”
- Fathi Hammad, Senior Hamas Official
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-mp-fathi-hammad-we-used-women-and-children-human-shields

“The Israelis are known to love life. We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs.”
- Ali Baraka, Senior Hamas Official
https://www.memri.org/tv/senior-hamas-official-ali-baraka-prisoner-swap-america-planning-invasion-two-years-russia-support

“Hamas has just one ‘no’ – no to the existence of Israel.”
- Osama Hamdan, Senior Hamas Official
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-osama-hamdan-israel-heart-problems-region-return-countries-

arista

19-10-2023, 10:16 AM

Biden arrived, barely managed to read from a script and called Hamas "the other team"

absolute shambles

Yes,
he is real old

Liam-

19-10-2023, 10:30 AM

I’d like to know how many slaughtered innocent Palestinians would be enough for Israeli revenge against Hamas, I mean, the current number clearly isn’t high enough for the people who are, at this point, very obviously blood thirsty, how many more war crimes are Israel allowed to commit in the name of vengeance? How many more children dying will be suitable? Over a thousand in under 7 days didn’t quite seem to quench the thirst for Israel and its fans, the number of Palestinians murdered has already doubled the amount of people murdered by the hamas atrocity, how long will the west sit by and idly watch as Israel cuts off vital resources to the innocents so they can watch them slowly die and use illegal chemical weapons over civilian areas without a care in the world, the history books will not be kind to those that allowed and egged on these crimes against humanity

arista

19-10-2023, 10:37 AM

[I’d like to know how many slaughtered innocent
Palestinians would be enough for Israeli revenge]

Yes it is shocking
Slick Liam

But at least at this time
no Armed Forces are not yet entering Gaza

Niamh.

19-10-2023, 10:40 AM

Fair enough, I totally respect that it's possible to have your sensitivities more alight by a certain angle/side.

My algorithm is the same in all honesty. I will say though that in Ireland pro-Palestine stances have always been symptomatic of our own history as a repressed, colonised nation. Even our centre-right leaders have condemned both Hamas and expressed extreme caution and concern at the magnitude of the IDF response in the last week or two. We've historically been vigilant of Netanyahu's regime overstepping international laws and being a grand-stage bully. This should not be conflated with anti-semitism or outright rejection of the Israeli state.

In very practical terms, condemning the Hamas atrocities whilst not picking 'Team Western' and instead actually airing vigilance, context and caution to the cyclic history of bloodshed and oppression that precipitated these atrocities to begin with would seem to me to be the most humane, actionable stance as it speaks to prevention rather than reaction. Prevention is possible, reaction is inevitable.

Pissing in the wind, as they say.

Great post Stu.

Livia

19-10-2023, 10:48 AM

“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”

Benjamin Netanyahu

arista

19-10-2023, 10:49 AM

PM Sunak now there
with Benjamin Netanyahu

All TV News

Stu

19-10-2023, 10:55 AM

Every time you post a quote from wiki you look like a fool.
I understand you have emotional resonance with this situation but almost every time you post in this thread, it's to insult somebody or let them know you don't want them to reply to you/won't be reading their responses. You do this whilst consciously (because you're doubtlessly clever) avoiding any posts clearly and cleanly articulating context you might not be comfortable with.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't suddenly expect you to stop doing this, but it feels helpful to address.

Anyway, there's a quick and easy low hanging fruit reply to this I'm sure that speaks to preferential genocide.

bots

19-10-2023, 11:17 AM

“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”

Benjamin Netanyahu

Spot on Liv. Israel wont stop until they know the people in their country are all going to be safe. People suggesting that they should just open themselves up to slaughter are deluding themselves

user104658

19-10-2023, 11:21 AM

“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence."

The problem is that every single person who knows the history of the West Bank and illegal Jewish settlements/enclaves knows that this is patently not true. Since the founding of modern Israel, Israeli territory has expanded over time and Palestinian territory has shrunk. There's no way to argue against that - it's not an opinion, it's geographical fact. So the statement simply makes no sense.

arista

19-10-2023, 11:34 AM

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1714941587296264667

Liam-

19-10-2023, 11:56 AM

user104658

19-10-2023, 11:59 AM

If the Arabs put their weapons down, Palestine would cease to exist because Israel is hell bent on taking all the land there for itself because they don’t believe Arabs deserve to exist there.

Moral grandstanding from a war criminal is not exactly the best insight to follow

To be honest I think he means it. I think he means the violence would cease, because they would take the whole area as Israel, and that would be that.

user104658

19-10-2023, 12:01 PM

TBH in terms of global stability, setting morality aside, I even understand why Western leaders would quite like that to happen. Being heartlessly pragmatic, that is. It's the simplest solution.

Livia

19-10-2023, 12:06 PM

I understand you have emotional resonance with this situation but almost every time you post in this thread, it's to insult somebody or let them know you don't want them to reply to you/won't be reading their responses. You do this whilst consciously (because you're doubtlessly clever) avoiding any posts clearly and cleanly articulating context you might not be comfortable with.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't suddenly expect you to stop doing this, but it feels helpful to address.

Anyway, there's a quick and easy low hanging fruit reply to this I'm sure that speaks to preferential genocide.

Yes, I do have an emotional response, and for it I've been called a liar and a weirdo on this thread. I expect this, as a Jew I've faced it regularly. I've been told on this forum that the Jews should stop moaning because we have Hollywood. I've been referred to as the Jewish Princess, a disgusting Zionist... in fact I've lost count of the anti-Semitic insults I've had hurled at me on here. Posts were only removed when I requested it. I don't even feel able to talk about my own experience of Israel and Palestine because my whole identity has been questioned quite openly.

I do understand the response from people worried from Gaza; I do understand that innocent Palestinians are being killed, both by Israel and by Hamas themselves. I don't want anyone to die in this terrible conflict but my natural response is to side with my own people, as it would be yours

I have decided to leave this thread now. It's more trouble for me than it's worth.

Liam-

19-10-2023, 12:07 PM

To be honest I think he means it. I think he means the violence would cease, because they would take the whole area as Israel, and that would be that.

Yep, that’s been the goal for 75 years, innocent Israelis being targeted by terrorists doesn’t change their end goal, it’s just beneficial for them that it happened at all so they can use it as the backdrop for them to be even more open with their violence and depravity, it’s a shame the majority of the west seems to be falling into step

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 12:15 PM

Yep, that’s been the goal for 75 years, innocent Israelis being targeted by terrorists doesn’t change their end goal, it’s just beneficial for them that it happened at all so they can use it as the backdrop for them to be even more open with their violence and depravity, it’s a shame the majority of the west seems to be falling into step

oh, have not seen you Liam since you posted Terrorist Hamas propaganda lies about "Israel bombing a hospital and killing 500"??

anything to add to that post?

Cherie

19-10-2023, 12:47 PM

TBH in terms of global stability, setting morality aside, I even understand why Western leaders would quite like that to happen. Being heartlessly pragmatic, that is. It's the simplest solution.

Hardly, that would make the situation much worse, creating even more terrorist groups, as we have seen a fence and anti missile tech is no match for a simple bomb, bulldozer and paraglider

arista

19-10-2023, 12:47 PM

oh, have not seen you Liam since you posted Terrorist Hamas propaganda lies about "Israel bombing a hospital and killing 500"??

anything to add to that post?

That was his very early Tweet he posted
before the data got released

BBC showed it as a Hamas/Jihad Missiles
going wrong and falling on the Hospital Car Park

So Sadly it was a Jihad error,
they refuse to admit it , of course.

I mean they are crude
rocket missiles the Terrorists are using

So 1 in so many will blow up and fall
on Muslims .

Oliver_W

19-10-2023, 01:03 PM

To be honest I think he means it. I think he means the violence would cease, because they would take the whole area as Israel, and that would be that.

TBH in terms of global stability, setting morality aside, I even understand why Western leaders would quite like that to happen. Being heartlessly pragmatic, that is. It's the simplest solution.

Well yeah, it would even be better for the residents, as long as they're not displaced. If the whole area just "became Israel", it would ultimately be better.

Nicky91

19-10-2023, 01:06 PM

If the Arabs put their weapons down, Palestine would cease to exist because Israel is hell bent on taking all the land there for itself because they don’t believe Arabs deserve to exist there.

Moral grandstanding from a war criminal is not exactly the best insight to follow

+1

Netanyahu literally said in a press conference they intend to flatten Gaza to the ground

so yeah they definitely have an interest in that land i think

Nicky91

19-10-2023, 01:20 PM

Yes, I do have an emotional response, and for it I've been called a liar and a weirdo on this thread. I expect this, as a Jew I've faced it regularly. I've been told on this forum that the Jews should stop moaning because we have Hollywood. I've been referred to as the Jewish Princess, a disgusting Zionist... in fact I've lost count of the anti-Semitic insults I've had hurled at me on here. Posts were only removed when I requested it. I don't even feel able to talk about my own experience of Israel and Palestine because my whole identity has been questioned quite openly.

I do understand the response from people worried from Gaza; I do understand that innocent Palestinians are being killed, both by Israel and by Hamas themselves. I don't want anyone to die in this terrible conflict but my natural response is to side with my own people, as it would be yours

I have decided to leave this thread now. It's more trouble for me than it's worth.

yeah focus on something more lighthearted is better for you i agree

arista

19-10-2023, 01:21 PM

Benjamin Netanyahu
may want to keep this War going
longer, as once it is over
the public want him replaced

Ref: Live Debate Peston ITV1HD

last night,

Stu

19-10-2023, 01:40 PM

If the whole area just "became Israel", it would ultimately be better.
:joker:

****ing hell.

Niamh.

19-10-2023, 01:47 PM

:joker:

****ing hell.

See, those are the kind of comments that make Irish people sympathetic to the Palestinians. They're so similar to stuff said about us in the past (and still to this day sometimes)

Liam-

19-10-2023, 01:55 PM

Yeah, those Arabs should just accept their oppressor slaughtering them on a daily basis and give up what little land they have left after a near century worth of land theft, it would most definitely be better for them

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 02:00 PM

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Nicky91

19-10-2023, 02:01 PM

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Hamas terrorists, i'd wish they just say that in the media

not Palestinian terrorists, among the palestinian people in Gaza also several innocent victims in this conflict

user104658

19-10-2023, 02:30 PM

Well yeah, it would even be better for the residents, as long as they're not displaced. If the whole area just "became Israel", it would ultimately be better.

I don't think there's even a remote possibility of that which is why I said you'd have to remove morals from the equation entirely; you would have to purge Palestine, which is in essence what the goal has been for many decades.

Cherie is right and it would prompt another generation of increased terrorism (but we're past the point of no return on that one). Ultimately, Israel as a nation with a clear, clean border would increase global stability.

Again for the record I'm not saying this is what should happen. But if you start to wrap your head around the logic behind it and who it benefits, a lot of things that on the surface make no sense start to come into much clearer focus.

user104658

19-10-2023, 02:33 PM

a fence and anti missile tech is no match for a simple bomb, bulldozer and paraglider

We don't know how effective it would have been because it was moved out of the area the attack occurred in in the weeks before the attack. For whatever reason.

A conspiracy theorist might say that it was removed deliberately and utter the words "false flag"... Though I think being sensible, the more realistic explanation is that it was moved for valid reasons, and someone leaked the intel that there was a vulnerability.

Cherie

19-10-2023, 02:54 PM

Well yeah, it would even be better for the residents, as long as they're not displaced. If the whole area just "became Israel", it would ultimately be better.

Are you actually serious...that said there are currently many Arabs who live peacefully in Israel but that is by choice I would imagine

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 02:59 PM

Are you actually serious...that said there are currently many Arabs who live peacefully in Israel but that is by choice I would imagine

yes and live a bright modern diverse and tolerant democracy

luckily for them

Oliver_W

19-10-2023, 03:52 PM

See, those are the kind of comments that make Irish people sympathetic to the Palestinians. They're so similar to stuff said about us in the past (and still to this day sometimes)
I doubt living in Ireland had ever been comparable to living in an islamic country tbh

that said there are currently many Arabs who live peacefully in Israel but that is by choice I would imagine

Quite, Israel treats its citizens like human beings, a rarity in that part of the world.

Cherie

19-10-2023, 03:55 PM

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horrific its hard to see how anyone could just smooth this over as they had it coming

Liam-

19-10-2023, 04:43 PM

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1714706863349027317?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

arista

19-10-2023, 05:40 PM

PM Sunak now in Saudi Arabia

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 06:02 PM

https://twitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1714706863349027317?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Another hard left socialist Jew hater young kid who does not know her arse from her elbow

The Slim Reaper

19-10-2023, 06:40 PM

Another hard left socialist Jew hater young kid who does not know her arse from her elbow

Lowkey is great

Vb2z0XwMtH8

Are all socialists Jew haters?

Cherie

19-10-2023, 06:44 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/hamas-livestreamed-my-cousin-s-murder/vi-AA1iwzLb?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=6630ed44d126467384325de665e6607a&ei=6#details

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 06:52 PM

Lowkey is great

Vb2z0XwMtH8

Are all socialists Jew haters?

until see any evidence to the contrary..

The Slim Reaper

19-10-2023, 07:05 PM

until see any evidence to the contrary..

What evidence do you think could prove the negative you require?

I remember when Josy told me I wasn't allowed to call people serfs on here anymore (any idea who'd been crying about it? :hehe:), despite the fact it is an extremely apt descriptor of a lot of folks on here, and yet here you are, with a free pass to call me a Jew hater. Good times, indeed.

The thought leaders behind Socialism are Jews, by the way. I know that making sense is not really the aim of your posts, but still.

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 07:34 PM

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Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 07:37 PM

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Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 08:13 PM

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joeysteele

19-10-2023, 08:14 PM

Lowkey is great

Vb2z0XwMtH8

Are all socialists Jew haters?

Of course we must be Slim.
To some anyhow obviously.

I was told on here when I just mentioned I had Jewish friends.
That my saying that was like a racist saying they had black friends.

I've been a supporter of Israel from becoming aware of the issues in that area.

However I KNOW I'm not a Jew hater and just because I'm of the left along with others shouldn't be thought as so or stated as so too.
So I'll leave whoever to their deluded insulting of ALL they don't even know.

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 08:23 PM

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The Slim Reaper

19-10-2023, 09:04 PM

Of course we must be Slim.
To some anyhow obviously.

I was told on here when I just mentioned I had Jewish friends.
That my saying that was like a racist saying they had black friends.

I've been a supporter of Israel from becoming aware of the issues in that area.

However I KNOW I'm not a Jew hater and just because I'm of the left along with others shouldn't be thought as so or stated as so too.
So I'll leave whoever to their deluded insulting of ALL they don't even know.

It5's a shame that we have action man doll style posters, who will repeat one of 7 catchphrases in any and every thread, with just the pull of a chord. Although to be honest, if the posters that did this decided not to do it, they'd literally have to sit in silence as they would have nothing else to discuss, so you have to smile at the paucity of intellect on display.

https://hansonslive.hansonsauctioneers.co.uk/images/lot/7149/7149_0.jpg?1568487363

Hope you're doing well, Joey.

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 09:07 PM

attack posters

nothing to add

no

one

surprised

Crimson Dynamo

19-10-2023, 09:10 PM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:05 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:08 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:09 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:10 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:11 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:12 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 02:14 AM

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arista

20-10-2023, 09:29 AM

300 miles of tunnels
Under Gaza.

Hamas can stay there with the Hostages

Any IDF that go down searching
could cause all to be blown up?

arista

20-10-2023, 01:31 PM

PM Sunak is in Egypt now meeting
SiSi President.

Biden left, yesterday after half a day
saying some lorry's will go through.

No Lorry,
has yet gone from Egypt border to Gazza.

Cherie

20-10-2023, 01:33 PM

I read somewhere that Hamas has its own electricity supply to make rockets ....

arista

20-10-2023, 01:41 PM

USA Ship
Shot down Drone Bombers from Yemen
heading to Israel.

Nicky91

20-10-2023, 01:46 PM

https://nltimes.nl/2023/10/20/dutch-government-warns-its-citizens-lebanon-leave-immediately

Netherlands Government warns its citizens with a Code Red negative travel advice for Lebanon, and those who are there now, telling them to leave immediately

Tensions are high in Lebanon due to the escalated violence between Israel and Gaza. “Rocket attacks and shootings are being carried out from Israel and Lebanon in the border area. It is unpredictable whether this violence will spread to other parts of Lebanon,” the Ministry said.

Until now, the travel advice for Lebanon was orange - only visit if absolutely necessary. Code red only applied to the border regions.

Transavia canceled all its flights between Schiphol and Beirut in Lebanon until at least Tuesday due to the “increased uncertainty” in the region, a spokesperson told ANP. The KLM subsidiary already canceled all flights to and from Tel Aviv, Israel, until at least December 21

.

Nicky91

20-10-2023, 01:48 PM

https://nltimes.nl/sites/nltimes.nl/files/styles/news_article_full/public/2023-10/OfirEngel_undated2.jpg?h=e8e6aa11

Ofir Engel, 17 yr old israeli-dutch boy who was abducted by Hamas

https://nltimes.nl/2023/10/20/well-anything-free-says-grandad-israeli-dutch-teen-abducted-hamas

The family of Ofir Engel, an 18-year-old teen abducted by Hamas and urgently granted Dutch nationality this week, is doing everything they can to free him. “We have to keep hope,” his grandfather, 77-year-old Jucha Engel, said from Israel. Outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte expressed condolences to the teen’s loved ones.

Jucha Engel told us by telephone that his grandson was with his girlfriend of about a year and her family in the kibbutz Be’eri when Hamas attacked Israel on Saturday morning, October 7. They looked for a safe place in the shelter, Engel said. “They sent a selfie around noon, but we didn’t hear anything after that.”

Later, Ofir’s family learned that Hamas had raided the shelter. “They shot the dog, and everyone had to go outside to the garden. Ofir, his girlfriend’s father, and a 16-year-old boy from the neighborhood were taken in a small car,” said Engel. The women were left behind and were in agony for hours. Only that night did Israeli soldiers help them and take them away from the kibbutz. “Their house is completely burned down. Everything is gone.”

Jucha Engel’s mother was Dutch. In the hope that international pressure would increase the chance that Hamas would let his grandson go if he also has Dutch nationality, he contacted the Dutch embassy in Israel. The Netherlands arranged a Dutch passport for the boy “very quickly” via an emergency procedure. “I have no words to express how it feels that the Netherlands is helping us so well.”

Ofir’s grandfather’s mother was a Jewish woman from Amersfoort. She helped many Jewish families in hiding near Wilp during the Second World War, he said. His father had forged their identity papers, so it was not clear that they were Jewish.

The family visits the Netherlands often. “We were also there with Ofir and other grandchildren. To show our history, which goes back hundreds of years.”

Ofir’s birthday was on Sunday, and he turned 18. The family - Jucha Engel has five children and 14 grandchildren - is together all the time in the kibbutz Ramat Rachel near Jerusalem, where Ofir lives with his parents. “We help each other and hold each other.”

Prime Minister Rutte expressed condolences to Ofir’s loved ones. He called the fact that one of the kidnapped in Gaza is someone with Dutch nationality “heavy and poignant.” He said he was working with Minister Hanke Bruins Slot (Foreign Affairs) and her “regional partners” to ensure the hostages were released.

Hamas captured many people during their attack on Israel and took them to Gaza. Hamas and other radical groups claimed earlier this week that they were holding 250 hostages. According to them, 22 hostages were killed by Israeli airstrikes.

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user104658

20-10-2023, 02:11 PM

300 miles of tunnels
Under Gaza.

Hamas can stay there with the Hostages

Any IDF that go down searching
could cause all to be blown up?

Don't be silly Arista, they keep the hostages in hospitals and then blow them up themselves, it makes perfect sense.

arista

20-10-2023, 03:48 PM

Don't be silly Arista, they keep the hostages in hospitals and then blow them up themselves, it makes perfect sense.

No hostages are
in the tunnels.

That way, no one can track their location.

American and British & many other nations
are among them.

The Main news today
was the USA Navy
shooting in the sea
Drone Bombs heading for Israel
from Yemen.

arista

20-10-2023, 03:52 PM

[Ofir Engel, 17 yr old israeli-dutch boy who was abducted by Hamas]

Sure Nicky
stuck with all the others in the Hamas Tunnels.

If The IDF go down them
everyone dies in a big explosion.

Once Israel Invades with Troops
it all goes wrong
as the hostages will not get released

arista

20-10-2023, 04:00 PM

[Netherlands Government warns its citizens with a
Code Red negative travel
advice for Lebanon,
and those who are there now,
telling them to leave immediately]

Yes Nicky USA now the same
and the UK.

It seems the Middle East War
can expand, sadly

Nicky91

20-10-2023, 04:30 PM

UEFA has announced Israeli football teams active in Europa League (Maccabi Haifa) and Conference League (Maccabi Tel-Aviv) will play their home games on neutral grounds

Nicky91

20-10-2023, 04:32 PM

so those won't be postponed due to this war

and the MTV Europe Music Awards which were scheduled to be held in France next month, are cancelled due to the war, and terror attack threats in a huge music award event, the awards will still be handed out for each respective category but then online with prize acceptance videos at home

Nicky91

20-10-2023, 04:34 PM

now France will host the EMA's next year if things will go back to normal, lesser risk of terror attacks, lesser tension due to this Israeli-Hamas conflict

arista

20-10-2023, 04:55 PM

Hamas claims it has now released
2 American Hostages

SkyNewsHD Live

Crimson Dynamo

20-10-2023, 05:02 PM

Palestine supporters in London tear down posters of Israeli children kidnapped
by Hamas terrorists in latest UK clashes - with one telling stunned passers-by
to 'go cry'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/20/17/76810893-0-image-m-1_1697820748840.jpg

Shocking footage has been posted online showing a female Palestinian
supporter in London ripping down posters of kidnapped Israeli citizens and
claiming there was 'inaccurate information' on them about women being raped.
Appalled witnesses filmed the young woman, who has not yet been identified
(left), clutching the torn down posters depicting the innocents taken hostage by
Hamas terrorists in Israel on October 7. In another incident, (right) a different
woman was tearing down posters to support Israel , accusing her confronter of
not caring about Arab victims, and telling her to 'go cry'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653811/palestine-supporters-tear-posters-missing-israeli-children-hamas-terrorists-kidnapped.html

find these deluded scumbags and jail them

Cherie

20-10-2023, 05:16 PM

A banker has been fired after she defended Hitler and the extermination of Jews following a devastating hospital blast in Gaza.

Nozima Husainova, 25, wrote on Instagram: ‘No wonder why Hitler wanted to get rid of them all,’ and ended it with a smiling emoji.

It followed an air strike on al-Ahli Baptist Hospital on Tuesday, which killed hundreds of people.

Hamas said Israel was to blame, but Tel Aviv then pointed the finger at a rocket misfire by Islamic Jihad, another terrorist group operating in the Gaza Strip.

Ms Husainova’s comment was met with outrage, and several people called on her employer, Citibank in New York, to sack her.

Citi Group, which owns Citibank, has confirmed she has now lost her job.

A spokeswoman told the Metro: ‘We terminated the employment of the person who posted the revolting antisemitic comment on social media. We condemn antisemitism and all hate speech and do not tolerate it in our bank.’

:clown:

arista

20-10-2023, 05:23 PM

Hamas claims it has now released
2 American Hostages

SkyNewsHD Live

Now Confirmed
2 American Hostages (Mother & her Daughter)
they are from Chicago,
have been released by Evil Hamas.
The Red Cross took them.

Achieved by the Qataris

arista

20-10-2023, 05:33 PM

[Two US hostages released by Hamas
for 'humanitarian reasons',
says group's spokesman

Hamas says it has released two US hostages
after "efforts by the Qataris".
Israel said 20 of those being held are under 18.
Meanwhile, hundreds of lorries are waiting
at the Rafah crossing with aid for Gaza - but
a deal will only allow up to 20 in,
and it's still not clear when.]

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-gaza-latest-sky-news-blog-12978800

Crimson Dynamo

20-10-2023, 07:36 PM

1715395039348539836?s=20

Zizu

20-10-2023, 07:49 PM

These two must be the luckiest women in the world .. they did well to get out in one piece let alone safe and well https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231020/83c16efcb215bc0b0eab913e882f0288.png

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Crimson Dynamo

20-10-2023, 08:22 PM

1715414447865410044?s=20

arista

20-10-2023, 08:39 PM

The 2 Free USA Ladies
are now in the US Embassy in Israel
Safe and saved.

arista

20-10-2023, 08:51 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/20/18/76798779-12654699-Through_tears_Fletcher_said_Hamas_is_using_the_hos tages_for_psyc-a-26_1697823990381.jpg

Mum and Daughter
from Chicago,
Lucky to be free from Evil Hamas

Crimson Dynamo

20-10-2023, 09:32 PM

Zizu

20-10-2023, 09:55 PM

beautiful

It’s crazy that the daughter especially got out given that they’ve slaughtered so many horrifically

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Crimson Dynamo

20-10-2023, 09:59 PM

It’s crazy that the daughter especially got out given that they’ve slaughtered so many horrifically

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these disgusting terrorists and their supporters (some on here) make me sick as i am sure they make you

Zizu

20-10-2023, 10:11 PM

these disgusting terrorists and their supporters (some on here) make me sick as i am sure they make you

I can’t find the words ..

It’s so sad what has happened to this beautiful little island over the years

I sometimes wish I was back in the sixties or seventies when everything was so much better ( and safer)

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Crimson Dynamo

20-10-2023, 10:13 PM

I can’t find the words ..

It’s so sad what has happened to this beautiful little island over the years

I sometimes wish I was back in the sixties or seventies when everything was so much better ( and safer)

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+1

arista

21-10-2023, 02:48 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/79F3/production/_131491213_ip1sat_page-0001.jpg.webp

arista

21-10-2023, 02:49 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2BD3/production/_131491211_tim.001.1gm.21oct_frontpage_page-0001.jpg.webp

arista

21-10-2023, 02:55 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5F63/production/_131491442_page1_page-0001-1.jpg.webp

arista

21-10-2023, 02:57 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/130C3/production/_131491087_front21_page-0001.jpg.webp

arista

21-10-2023, 02:58 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17EE3/production/_131491089_pink_front1_20231021_100_page-0001.jpg.webp

arista

21-10-2023, 03:29 AM

Yara Eid
Palestine Lady
in the UK

Then a Jewish Lady

Good on GBnewsHD
showing both sides
9mins

ocji6Qk-kwg

arista

21-10-2023, 04:28 AM

Another Palestine March today
in London.

This time
Police have blocked them going near the
the Israeli Embassy,
the route controlled by the Police.

Ref: ITV1HD London News
last night.

I hope it Rains on them.

arista

21-10-2023, 05:02 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C813/production/_131491215_1001cg-dtndt-1-211023-a001c-dt_page-0001.jpg.webp

arista

21-10-2023, 05:08 AM

LT Posted this on the Greta Arrested Thread
update, she has now Deleted this tweet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F83zzMQWQAEZoB_?format=jpg&name=medium

arista

21-10-2023, 05:31 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/20/22/76820755-0-image-a-121_1697835915732.jpg

arista

21-10-2023, 05:34 AM

[BBC quietly drops use of word 'militants' to describe
Hamas after weeks of mounting pressure

The BBC has faced waves of protests over its
language used to describe Hamas]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12655365/BBC-quietly-drops-use-word-militants-Hamas-weeks-mounting-pressure.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/20/22/76820753-0-image-a-120_1697835912902.jpg

arista

21-10-2023, 05:48 AM

In Today's Telegraph:
a Illegal Migrant, (a/k/a Asylum Seeker)
been here since 2020
has attacked someone in the UK,
in the name of Gaza

The Paper has no more details.

Ref: on 2 Newspaper reviews this morning
SkyNewsHD & now on GBnewsHD

arista

21-10-2023, 09:10 AM

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1715422521028133327

Cherie

21-10-2023, 09:12 AM

1715395039348539836?s=20

why cover your face if you are proud of what you are doing, no thought to the families of the kidnapped, horrible

MTVN

21-10-2023, 09:33 AM

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1715422521028133327

Why do you keep sharing tweets from this muppet?

Liam-

21-10-2023, 09:33 AM

https://twitter.com/saulstaniforth/status/1715627679125328103?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Such a weasley way to admit to lying about someone to stir up more hatred towards them and personally, the people who choose to lie on air, Kay Burley, should be the ones made to go on air and admit to those lies, a massive cop out getting someone else to do it

MTVN

21-10-2023, 09:34 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is

Cherie

21-10-2023, 09:38 AM

Cherie

21-10-2023, 09:39 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is

.

Oliver_W

21-10-2023, 09:40 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is

Very nicely put.

What is it about this particular conflict that gets so much attention, and what makes it so important to those with a particular political slant?

What makes them side with, and want to further empower, a movement which goes against everything we're meant to stand for? Only one side in that conflict treats women, gays, and non-believers as human beings.

fruit_cake

21-10-2023, 09:44 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is

seems to me a lot of people don't really think much about who they are getting into bed with metaphorically speaking. As long as they're the enemy of their enemy...

Oliver_W

21-10-2023, 09:53 AM

seems to me a lot of people don't really think much about who they are getting into bed with metaphorically speaking. As long as they're the enemy of their enemy...

See, I usually dismiss claims that "the left is antisemitic", and with the likes of Jeremy Corbyn I see it more as he being dismissive/not seeing it as racism so not treating it as such, rather than him actually holding actively antisemitic views.

That's a very fumbled way of saying I don't really think lefties in general (or Corbyn specifically) hold antisemitic views.

BUT - as that quote pointed out, why on earth would anyone actually advocate for Palestine, given the way Hamas treats their citizens and the views they hold? Could it be to do with who their enemy is?

arista

21-10-2023, 09:59 AM

Why do you keep sharing tweets from this muppet?

It is important to show both sides
even you know that.

fruit_cake

21-10-2023, 10:02 AM

It is important to show both sides
even you know that.

only if both of the sides are acting in good faith!

arista

21-10-2023, 10:07 AM

The Good News
Aid Trucks have, now gone from Egypt
through to Southern Gaza for
Supply for Hospitals

arista

21-10-2023, 10:10 AM

only if both of the sides are acting in good faith!

Of Course the Man in Charge
of this 2nd Demo
spoke on SkyNewsHD

He is working with the police
to not have the Terrorist backers
this time

user104658

21-10-2023, 12:38 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is

The error in logic is assuming that because you recognise that one thing is wrong, you necessarily have to believe that the opposing side is right.

Hamas and the State of Israel can both be fundamentally wrong. I don't find that particularly hard to wrap my head around but for most people it seems to be impossible.

MTVN

21-10-2023, 12:51 PM

The error in logic is assuming that because you recognise that one thing is wrong, you necessarily have to believe that the opposing side is right.

Hamas and the State of Israel can both be fundamentally wrong. I don't find that particularly hard to wrap my head around but for most people it seems to be impossible.

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

Nicky91

21-10-2023, 12:57 PM

DmJh4ydeXlI

live feed in London, a pro-palestine protest

Nicky91

21-10-2023, 01:00 PM

https://twitter.com/_owenobrien_/status/1715672714122277054

The Hague, Netherlands today another pro-palestine protest rally

Several hundred pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched from the Transvaal Park in The Hague to the Zuiderpark on Saturday morning.

Before the march, an Islamic prayer was held and an address was given to the crowd. "This march is not a march of aggression, but of peace," the speaker said. Through the march, the participants want to draw attention to the "injustices in the world and especially in Palestine."

Some participants brought Palestinian flags as well as protest signs and banners reading "Free Palestine." In addition, participants accused Israel of terrorism and shouted "Allahu Akbar." There is also one participant waving a green flag with Arabic text. The flag resembles that of Hamas, a group that is considered a terrorist organization by the EU, among others, but it is not. The police in The Hague wrote on X that the flag is not punishable.

The march ended in the Zuiderpark. There, several speeches were given from a small stage, calling for, among other things, to hang up the Palestinian flag and to boycott products from Israel. There were also prayers and a moment of silence. The demonstration ended just before 1:30 p.m.

The march was accompanied by the police, who are present with vans, horses, and bicycles, among other things. In addition, volunteers from the neighborhood also accompany the march.

https://twitter.com/POL_DenHaag/status/1715675127931633925

police of The Hague regarding arabic texts on palestinian flag banners, only if there are insulting texts on that, they will intervene (they have a translator with them as we speak)

arista

21-10-2023, 01:04 PM

20 Aid Trucks have gone through.

But No Fuel, on them.

CNN HD USA on UK TV.

arista

21-10-2023, 01:07 PM

[live feed in London, a pro-palestine protest]

Thank You, Nicky, for posting
a Good Live Link

arista

21-10-2023, 01:12 PM

France has Banned these marches
under their Security Home Rules

Cherie

21-10-2023, 01:43 PM

user104658

21-10-2023, 02:06 PM

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

Yes but when you point this out in one group and condemn them but remain silent on the other a clear bias is revealed. Where is the counterbalance? Where is it being pointed out that hardcore Zionists are, in this sense, no different to those chanting for Palestine?

... Do we for some reason now believe that hard-line one state pro Israel fundamentalists are forward-thinking?

A zealot is a zealot.

arista

21-10-2023, 02:13 PM

Hamas
has produced a terrorist hand held book.
Instructions on how to kill and torture.

CNN HD USA on UK TV
debated it.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/news/president-herzog-reveals-hamas-captive-taking-handbook-15-oct-2023/en/English_Swords_of_Iron_CNN-Herzog-interview.jpg

Cherie

21-10-2023, 03:08 PM

Yes but when you point this out in one group and condemn them but remain silent on the other a clear bias is revealed. Where is the counterbalance? Where is it being pointed out that hardcore Zionists are, in this sense, no different to those chanting for Palestine?

... Do we for some reason now believe that hard-line one state pro Israel fundamentalists are forward-thinking?

A zealot is a zealot.

I don't see them marching in UK Cities, have you?

user104658

21-10-2023, 03:21 PM

I don't see them marching in UK Cities, have you?

I see them metaphorically "marching" across all of social media and the front page of every MSM rag. It's not substantively different.

Oliver_W

21-10-2023, 03:48 PM

I see them metaphorically "marching" across all of social media and the front page of every MSM rag. It's not substantively different.

Even then it's often both-sidesing tbh

arista

21-10-2023, 03:59 PM

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1715729469539778669

Liam-

21-10-2023, 04:17 PM

It’s amusing that people are still trying to push the ‘Muslims don’t respect your sexuality!!’ thing towards people who want Israel to stop slaughtering innocent Palestinians on a daily basis.

Newsflash, most religions have subsections of people who twist their beliefs into bigotry, a lot of Christian’s would quite happily see lgbt people dead too, yet shockingly, I wouldn’t want them to face genocide either.

It’s all ‘respect other peoples views’ ‘stop pushing your views onto everyone else’ until it comes to Muslim people, then it’s perfectly fine to expect people to hate them and want to see them suffer for some of their views.

bots

21-10-2023, 04:57 PM

there is a difference to not agreeing with something for religious reasons and going out and murdering someone for it. I don't know why supposed intelligent people don't see the difference

Liam-

21-10-2023, 05:05 PM

I don’t believe in the death penalty for pretty much the same reasons I will never support a government committing genocide against a population of people, killing for revenge is never justified, especially when those doing the killing are claiming to be morally superior to those they are killing.

What Israel is doing to Palestine currently and for the past 75 years is not defence, it is systematic ethnic cleansing on a mass scale, whether the innocent civilians dying would happily see me dead or not, frankly, doesn’t even begin to matter to my opinion on their murders

Crimson Dynamo

21-10-2023, 06:25 PM

Tottenham have "told" fans not to bring Israel flags on Monday in case it upsets people who support terrorism

F them Spurs fans i hope you all bring thousands of them

quite a good few at Ibrox today

:clap1:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0ZKOuXoAMXkoZ.jpg

Crimson Dynamo

21-10-2023, 07:54 PM

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Crimson Dynamo

21-10-2023, 08:16 PM

1715703761795002410?s=20

user104658

21-10-2023, 09:32 PM

there is a difference to not agreeing with something for religious reasons and going out and murdering someone for it. I don't know why supposed intelligent people don't see the difference

The line between the two is paper-thin and it's only due to a relatively VERY new social illusion that it appears otherwise -- and a delusion that it's necessarily permanent. The Christian Right is on a clear trajectory to being no different to hard-line Muslims or other religious fundamentalist groups.

bots

21-10-2023, 09:49 PM

The line between the two is paper-thin and it's only due to a relatively VERY new social illusion that it appears otherwise -- and a delusion that it's necessarily permanent. The Christian Right is on a clear trajectory to being no different to hard-line Muslims or other religious fundamentalist groups.

It's not a paper thin line. Everyone, every day comes across things they dont agree with or don't like and they don't then go on to kill someone for it. Trying to say those that go out and murder are pretty much the same as those that don't, is mind blowing and completely wrong

Crimson Dynamo

21-10-2023, 09:50 PM

UserSince2005

21-10-2023, 10:03 PM

What evil animals they are, but I’m not allowed to post in this thread. So please keep this post secret 🙏🏿

user104658

21-10-2023, 10:25 PM

It's not a paper thin line. Everyone, every day comes across things they dont agree with or don't like and they don't then go on to kill someone for it. Trying to say those that go out and murder are pretty much the same as those that don't, is mind blowing and completely wrong

I'm saying that you're falling into the trap of believing that recent history (a matter of a handful of generations) represents some great world truth.

Christians were killing people for not adhering to Christianity a few hundred years ago, Christians killing in the name of Christianity is historically just as precedented and normal as Muslims doing so, and you're being extremely naive if you think Christianity is "past that now" and can't slide backwards. It not only can, it demonstrably is doing so.

[edited to add] This is not a defense of killing in the name of Islam, just a kind reminder that there are no "goodies and baddies" when it comes to world religions, especially the Abrahamic ones. They're all absolutely swimming in blood. A handful of generations of [relatively, not entirely] peaceful Christianity doesn't suddenly negate thousands of years of violence, and again (vitally) doesn't mean there aren't still violent elements within Christianity. Growing elements. We ignore them at our peril.

user104658

21-10-2023, 10:35 PM

disturbing does not cover it

In case it hasn't been clear enough: I'm not really interested in your performative nonsense LT, your motivations are crystal clear and your posts are entirely disingenuous, faux opinions cherry-picked to align with whatever stance that day happens to fit best with your pre-existing prejudices. Various media sources either to be seen as gospel, or to be disregarded, based on whether or not you happen to agree with them.

Waste of everyone's time, including your own TBQFH.

bots

22-10-2023, 05:39 AM

I'm saying that you're falling into the trap of believing that recent history (a matter of a handful of generations) represents some great world truth.

Christians were killing people for not adhering to Christianity a few hundred years ago, Christians killing in the name of Christianity is historically just as precedented and normal as Muslims doing so, and you're being extremely naive if you think Christianity is "past that now" and can't slide backwards. It not only can, it demonstrably is doing so.

[edited to add] This is not a defense of killing in the name of Islam, just a kind reminder that there are no "goodies and baddies" when it comes to world religions, especially the Abrahamic ones. They're all absolutely swimming in blood. A handful of generations of [relatively, not entirely] peaceful Christianity doesn't suddenly negate thousands of years of violence, and again (vitally) doesn't mean there aren't still violent elements within Christianity. Growing elements. We ignore them at our peril.

We have for the most part moved on as a civilisation. We understand that it's just chaos if we all go around murdering when someone holds a different opinion. It may be that we will revert as humans to previous behaviours but i hope not. I think that in just about every aspect of life we are on a pendulum and what we are seeing at the moment, in the "civilised" world is the pendulum self correcting because its gone too far in terms of group think. I don't however, think that we will regress as a society that goes around murdering people (to any significant extent) because we differ in opinion

arista

22-10-2023, 08:42 AM

Robert Jenrick MP speaking Live
this morning,
on SkyNewsHD and BBC1HD
he is not going to talk about
setting up a migration from Gaza to the UK.

He said they are sending Millions of pounds
to help them.

Nicky91

22-10-2023, 08:44 AM

https://www.thelocal.de/20231021/germany-sees-over-1100-offences-linked-to-israel-hamas-conflict

German police have recorded more than 1,100 offences in relation to the Israel-Gaza conflict since Hamas launched its deadly attack earlier this month, Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said Friday.

"These are preliminary figures... and investigations are underway everywhere," Faeser told journalists in a press conference at the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) in Wiesbaden.

Hamas militants stormed into Israel from the Gaza Strip on October 7, and killed at least 1,400 people, mostly civilians who were shot, mutilated or burnt to death on the first day of the raid, according to Israeli officials.

More than 4,100 Palestinians, mainly civilians, have been killed across the Gaza Strip in relentless Israeli bombardments in retaliation for the attacks by the Palestinian Islamist militant group, according to the latest toll from the Hamas health ministry in Gaza.

Since Israel began its bombing raids on Gaza, pro-Palestinian protests have erupted across major German cities despite widespread bans.

The recorded offences included "bodily harm... breaches of the peace, incitement to hatred and damage to property", BKA deputy chief Juergen Peter said at the same press conference. In all, a "low three-digit" figure of violent crimes had been recorded, Peter said.

Berlin had become a "hotspot" for offences, he said, with the majority occurring in the capital, where clashes between protesters and police were fiercest.

Police had made "hundreds of provisional arrests" in Berlin, Faeser said, adding that this was "the right response".

"Over 100 police officers have been injured by thrown bottles and fireworks" in the city, Faeser said, adding that "this violence... is in no way acceptable."

In all, 46 gatherings related to the conflict had been prohibited by authorities since October 7, Faeser said. By contrast, 211 pro-Israel events and 129 pro-Palestinian events had taken place in that period, Faeser said.

.

honestly when you ban something, everything illegal becomes more inviting for some of these crazy morons, same with a ban on fireworks, illegal fireworks are more fun for most

sad but good that the police are doing their job correctly, and recording everything on file, sad for the police officers who got injured :(

Nicky91

22-10-2023, 08:46 AM

211 pro-israel events :flutter: i'm liking those numbers anyway, compared to that amount of pro-palestine events

more proof of anti-semitism in Germany is getting less and less

arista

22-10-2023, 09:08 AM

Naftali Bennett, Former Israeli President
Live on BBC1HD

Kept saying Hamas-Isis
he said London is next in their attack.

Every time he called them Hamas-Isis.

Victoria lost the Live Link to Israel
her Live Feed was Cut Off
for some reason.

bots

22-10-2023, 09:40 AM

Hamas and Isis are both muslim terrorist groups so they are pretty interchangeable

arista

22-10-2023, 09:49 AM

Hamas and Isis are both Muslim terrorist groups so they are pretty interchangeable

Sure
but no one else is saying Isis.

I think he should have said
the Hamas Terrorist, acted like Isis did.

He also told Victoria off
saying the BBC first said it was Israel
that bombed the hospital.

arista

22-10-2023, 09:58 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1235D/production/_131498547_thesundaytimes221023pg1_page-0001-1.jpg.webp

arista

22-10-2023, 10:01 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1717D/production/_131498549_mailonsunday22oct_page-0001.jpg.webp

arista

22-10-2023, 10:03 AM

BBC News Text :
[The paper leads on calls from the US for Britain to
designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
as terrorists in the wake of Tehran's "complicity"
in Hamas's massacre of 1,400 people in Israel.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3CE5/production/_131498551_1001cg-stnst-1-221023-a001c-st_page-0001.jpg.webp

Cherie

22-10-2023, 11:00 AM

1715703761795002410?s=20

Police are investigating a Tube driver who has been slammed for leading a chant of "free, free Palestine" on a London Underground train.

Minister for London Paul Scully said staff should "focus on the day job" and warned against stoking tension in the capital following Hamas’ deadly attack on Israel two weeks ago, after footage of the chant circulated on social media on Saturday afternoon.

Conservative mayoral candidate Susan Hall told The Independent the behaviour was “completely unacceptable”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-probe-as-london-tube-driver-leads-free-palestine-chant/ar-AA1iCAgn?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=d58a4ec88ca441c6bde21bd75e780c45&ei=8

He should be sacked, everyone should feel safe on public transport in the UK

user104658

22-10-2023, 11:09 AM

We have for the most part moved on as a civilisation. We understand that it's just chaos if we all go around murdering when someone holds a different opinion. It may be that we will revert as humans to previous behaviours but i hope not. I think that in just about every aspect of life we are on a pendulum and what we are seeing at the moment, in the "civilised" world is the pendulum self correcting because its gone too far in terms of group think. I don't however, think that we will regress as a society that goes around murdering people (to any significant extent) because we differ in opinion

There are multiple civilisations thousands of years old who believed the same, and are long gone because they were very wrong. As I said... we believe that we're any different at our peril. The only way to stop it from happening is to acknowledge that it absolutely can happen, and take off the blinkers when it is happening.

The current political situation in the US is terrifying and it's spreading to all of Europe, and fast.

arista

22-10-2023, 11:11 AM

[He should be sacked, everyone should feel safe on public transport in the UK]

Yes Sack him

Was brought up
on the panel of Trevor Phillips Live
at 9:55AM

Cherie

22-10-2023, 11:26 AM

There seems very little empathy for British jews on this thread, they are not responsible for what the Israeli government is doing 3,000 miles away, many will oppose it and Israelis have demonstrated against Nethanyahou and his government.... I feel like some people are actually relishing the discomfort British jews are experiencing that is my take, might be wrong of course, Palestine and its citizens have huge support and they can take some comfort from that, who is supporting the comforting the famiilies of the kidnapped they cant even put up posters in the UK, Jewish schools have security and have been told not to wear their uniforms openly,, and the spineless FA couldnt even light up the arch after 1400 innocent citizens were in the most part tortured and then murdered. It is possible to have empathy for both sides you know

arista

22-10-2023, 11:35 AM

[It is possible to have empathy for both sides]

Yes I agree
Cherie.

With the Public of Gaza
More are dead, sadly.

They are mean't to move to South Gaza
as the North Zone is going to have IDF troops entering
soon................

arista

22-10-2023, 11:45 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/22/11/76857733-0-image-m-10_1697969756198.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12658605/Israel-West-Bank-Gaza-Syria-airstrikes-Hamas-terror-fears-wider-regional-war-grow.html

bots

22-10-2023, 12:06 PM

arista

22-10-2023, 12:13 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/22/12/76858395-12658605-Some_of_the_targets_reported_to_have_been_hit_by_I sraeli_air_str-m-56_1697974523763.jpg
[Some of the targets reported to have been hit by
Israeli air strikes overnight (October 21-22)]

arista

22-10-2023, 12:42 PM

Detroit Synagogue Leader
Lady was Found stabbed to Death

CNN HD USA Live on UK TV

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67187806

Stu

22-10-2023, 01:56 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is
It's really not that clever a point, and it's been rubbished countless times.

It's also ready-bake copypasta sloganeering that begs an "And?"

What's your "And?" to this? That Palestine shouldn't be free because their current cultural and societal views are radically different to your own? That protesting against historical systematic oppression should only be done for tribes at a certain benchmark of societal evolution?

Granted I'm a layman who only dabbles in history, but a cursory glance at it would tell you that when people are engaged in a literal existential struggle, it's not fertile soil for much of any other kind of major overhauls to their way of life.

It's reductive, sneering discourse peddled by arch cynics who've driven up their own arses to build camp out of a cul-de-sac. The giveaway is that you could still word that point the exact same had Hamas never fired a rocket. You could deliver it with the same rotten sentiment, so it deserves to stand alone and be taken apart alone, on its own merit.

"Don't you be telling me about the misfortunes of brown Muslim children as an atheist democrat!"

Please.

MTVN

22-10-2023, 02:15 PM

It's really not that clever a point, and it's been rubbished countless times.

It's also ready-bake copypasta sloganeering that begs an "And?"

What's your "And?" to this? That Palestine shouldn't be free because their current cultural and societal views are radically different to your own? That protesting against historical systematic oppression should only be done for tribes at a certain benchmark of societal evolution?

Granted I'm a layman who only dabbles in history, but a cursory glance at it would tell you that when people are engaged in a literal existential struggle, it's not fertile soil for much of any other kind of major overhauls to their way of life.

It's reductive, sneering discourse peddled by arch cynics who've driven up their own arses to build camp out of a cul-de-sac. The giveaway is that you could still word that point the exact same had Hamas never fired a rocket. You could deliver it with the same rotten sentiment, so it deserves to stand alone and be taken apart alone, on its own merit.

"Don't you be telling me about the misfortunes of brown Muslim children as an atheist democrat!"

Please.

Well it's a newspaper opinion piece so will be a bit editorial but it's great writing imo

That phrase in particular is a very loaded one which many people consider to be anti-Semitic because it basically calls for the elimination of Israel as a state. Even if you argue it doesn't mean that, it's still divisive and contentious yet will be parroted by many who often blind themselves to the sensitivities of the conflict and to the true colours of their allies because they romanticise the Palestinian cause.

The 'and' is that maybe they should take a step back and think about who they are supporting and think about why so many Jewish people now feel unsafe in the UK and Europe. The 'and' is that maybe there should be more acknowledgement that aspects of Palestinian leadership are part of the problem and also contributing to death. It's not sneering at them for holding radically different views, it's about what those views mean for Jewish people and people in Israel. I think instead people would often rather overlook that and instead just reassure themselves - 'I don't hate Jews though'.

Interesting to refer to a 'literal existential struggle' because for many people in Israel that basically sums up the history of the Jewish race.

arista

22-10-2023, 03:11 PM

17 new Trucks went in.

Today

Yesterday, 20 trucks went in.

So 37 in total so far

SkyNewsHD Live

MTVN

22-10-2023, 03:17 PM

1715759932849418624

arista

22-10-2023, 03:20 PM

1715759932849418624

Yes Arrest him

Thats illegal

arista

22-10-2023, 04:23 PM

1715703761795002410?s=20

London Transport Police
are now looking into this Tube Driver.

Was Reported, that's all
On BBC1HD London News.

They must remove him from that job
as he said that on the Speakers of that Tube train
fast.

Cherie

22-10-2023, 04:38 PM

Yes Arrest him

Thats illegal

There have been so many on radio this week making the case that this is a perfectly legitimate chant and not about erasing Israel from map....oh dear :facepalm:

Has he been arrested yet for hate speech?

arista

22-10-2023, 04:42 PM

There have been so many on radio this week making the case that this is a perfectly legitimate chant and not about erasing Israel from map....oh dear :facepalm:

Has he been arrested yet for hate speech?

No Police there
is the problem

He Amped Up
in a zone of no police.

If I was there
I would unplug his Mic

arista

22-10-2023, 04:56 PM

10 Arrested yesterday
on that London march.

ITV1HD London News

UserSince2005

22-10-2023, 06:58 PM

Change is coming. I think we all realise this now.

UserSince2005

22-10-2023, 07:01 PM

I think we are all fed up of being held hostage in our own country by terrorists.

The Slim Reaper

22-10-2023, 08:04 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

How true this paragraph is

It's bigoted tosh, not intellectual beauty. Fcuking hell.

The Slim Reaper

22-10-2023, 08:09 PM

it highlights the very real antisemitism that is going on because British jews have in the majority, absolutely nothing to do with Israel

No one is talking about British or Israeli Jews (in this thread). Anyone with a differing opinion has been talking about the Israeli government or the IDF. Not one person (as far as I've seen) has said anything negative about Jews from anywhere in the world. This is just absolutely false.

It does a massive disservice to the Jews across the world, who also oppose what has been happening in Gaza for decades, and plays into the "right kind of Jew" anti-Semitic tropes.

80% of Israelis blame Netanyahu, according to a poll in their oldest Newspaper.

Crimson Dynamo

22-10-2023, 08:19 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ZzKlpWEAADGyE?format=jpg&name=medium

Its flushing out the anti-semites from the extremely hard left

The Slim Reaper

22-10-2023, 08:35 PM

Its flushing out the anti-semites from the extremely hard left

Remember when you proudly declared that you're alt-right?

:joker:

Crimson Dynamo

22-10-2023, 08:51 PM

Remember when you proudly declared that you're alt-right?

:joker:

yes as a joke

5 times you have tried to portray it as otherwise when i have exposed you

we all see you slim

no one is fooled

The Slim Reaper

22-10-2023, 09:08 PM

yes as a joke

5 times you have tried to portray it as otherwise when i have exposed you

we all see you slim

no one is fooled

I don't think you know what exposed means, but that's hardly a surprise to anyone who reads a few posts on here.

Who is the mysterious "we" you constantly refer to? Have some balls, and stand 10 toes down on the one of 7 action man phrases in your programmed vocabulary

Please, LT, let me join your gang of intellectuals :blush:

https://media.tenor.com/qNGGLOGqFoQAAAAC/hail-hydra-avengers.gif

Fcuking hell :hehe:

arista

22-10-2023, 09:35 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-71103559-e2a8-4c2c-89bf-e326b3b2bc20.png

arista

22-10-2023, 09:36 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-24d94204-c628-4857-bede-b174e7704714.png

Crimson Dynamo

22-10-2023, 09:39 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-24d94204-c628-4857-bede-b174e7704714.png

Suella is hitting it out of the park of late

arista

22-10-2023, 09:41 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0607c081-cb75-4045-8de3-c6875fe7a0e0.png

arista

22-10-2023, 09:42 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6dd9ff1f-4c50-42cd-bd12-a9781aa6cea0.png

arista

23-10-2023, 01:12 AM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-7f0eee89-41b8-4cae-8ebf-b761f992d447.jpeg

arista

23-10-2023, 01:12 AM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-7ed7f484-bf24-4668-83fe-87cc972b404e.png

Cherie

23-10-2023, 07:53 AM

Police are investigating a Tube driver who has been slammed for leading a chant of "free, free Palestine" on a London Underground train.

Minister for London Paul Scully said staff should "focus on the day job" and warned against stoking tension in the capital following Hamas’ deadly attack on Israel two weeks ago, after footage of the chant circulated on social media on Saturday afternoon.

Conservative mayoral candidate Susan Hall told The Independent the behaviour was “completely unacceptable”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-probe-as-london-tube-driver-leads-free-palestine-chant/ar-AA1iCAgn?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=d58a4ec88ca441c6bde21bd75e780c45&ei=8

He should be sacked, everyone should feel safe on public transport in the UK

Unfortunately, TFL bosses are unable to identify the tube driver in question, though this happened on the Central line on Saturday morning :joker: God help us all if there ever is an accident on the tube if that is the case.

Meanwhile Mayor Khan attended the Madonna concert at the weekend and so far appears not to have commented on events that happen on his transport system, what a shame he has plenty to say on ULEZ

Meanwhile shoutiing Jiihad on London streets while the MET looks on appears to have a different meaniing in this case :laugh:

bots

23-10-2023, 08:22 AM

it just shows how ****ed up politics is at the moment

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 09:50 AM

A guy saying free Palestine during his working hours, is a matter for his employer, not the police or the mayor.

arista

23-10-2023, 10:05 AM

1715759932849418624

Close to this Speaker
was another Muslim shouting Jihad, Jihad, Jihad

Was shown on AM TV News.

He needs to be shouting Jihad at a Jewish person
then the Police can Arrest him

Beso

23-10-2023, 10:27 AM

A guy saying free Palestine during his working hours, is a matter for his employer, not the police or the mayor.

You shouldn't play down as simply being a man saying free Palestine, when it was a man whipping up his passengers by shouting this mantra over a tannoy system.

user104658

23-10-2023, 10:38 AM

You shouldn't play down as simply being a man saying free Palestine, when it was a man whipping up his passengers by shouting this mantra over a tannoy system.

Unless he was saying or doing something that would be illegal to do in his free time, then it can't be anything other than an issue for his employers.

That said I'd be lying if I claimed to know how TFL runs as an employer, I get the impression that London itself is heavily involved with TFL(?) so it may indeed be within the remit of the Mayor (ultimately) even as an employment issue. Not the police, though.

Beso

23-10-2023, 10:42 AM

arista

23-10-2023, 10:54 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/159D2/production/_131503588_1001cg-dtndt-1-231023-a001c-dt_page-0001.jpg.webp

Oliver_W

23-10-2023, 11:14 AM

Unless he was saying or doing something that would be illegal to do in his free time, then it can't be anything other than an issue for his employers.

By and large I agree, nothing short of a call to violence should be restricted when it comes to speech.

BUT it's perhaps not the best idea to egg on a crowd who are probably already on edge.

BUT BUT it's still between the driver and employer.

arista

23-10-2023, 11:19 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/23/11/76886243-0-image-m-10_1698058175132.jpg

fruit_cake

23-10-2023, 11:21 AM

more killing isn't going to solve the killing

Cherie

23-10-2023, 11:36 AM

Unless he was saying or doing something that would be illegal to do in his free time, then it can't be anything other than an issue for his employers.

That said I'd be lying if I claimed to know how TFL runs as an employer, I get the impression that London itself is heavily involved with TFL(?) so it may indeed be within the remit of the Mayor (ultimately) even as an employment issue. Not the police, though.

TFL is governed by the Mayor

Cherie

23-10-2023, 11:38 AM

Yes, the mayor is the chairman of TFL, and he needs to comment on this and make boundaries for his staff clear.

For instance, I could almost guarantee that the tannoy system should only used to instruct passengers so they can use the system safely and easily.

100% and I would argue it is definately British Transport Police issue as it involves the safety of the travelling public

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 11:41 AM

You shouldn't play down as simply being a man saying free Palestine, when it was a man whipping up his passengers by shouting this mantra over a tannoy system.

There's nothing to play down. I've heard the clip, and you can tell by his voice that it seems good natured, not the scary mantra you're implying, to whip up the the London branch of Isis..

He will probably have an "acceptable speech over the tannoy" section in his contract, and if he's breeched the rules he will be punished. No need to beg the mayor for help.

Liam-

23-10-2023, 11:42 AM

Cherie

23-10-2023, 11:45 AM

I’m so confused, do people now want people fired from their jobs for having sharing an opinion? I thought the free speech brigade has been defending that right for years? Now this man deserves to lose his job for having his opinion? Just say you don’t want people to support Palestine and be done with it

He was not on him own time, he was driving a tube train and is there to serve all his passengers not just those going to a March....he could have taken the day off and gone on the March where would the issue be, you should just say you want Jews to feel as unsafe as possible in the UK and be done with it

Beso

23-10-2023, 11:48 AM

There's nothing to play down. I've heard the clip, and you can tell by his voice that it seems good natured, not the scary mantra you're implying, to whip up the the London branch of Isis..

He will probably have an "acceptable speech over the tannoy" section in his contract, and if he's breeched the rules he will be punished. No need to beg the mayor for help.

Good natured, for whom? Him and the people going to the rally!!

Definitely not for the isolated jew sitting alone terrified incase he is recognised.

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 11:50 AM

He was not on him own time, he was driving a tube train and is there to serve all his passengers not just those going to a March....he could have taken the day off and gone on the March where would the issue be, you should just say you want Jews to feel as unsafe as possible in the UK and be done with it

Saying "free Palestine" is not an attack on Jews. That's absurd. Jews were also out in force to protest for a free Palestine.

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 11:55 AM

Good natured, for whom? Him and the people going to the rally!!

Definitely not for the isolated jew sitting alone terrified incase he is recognised.

For the millionth time, "free Palestine" does not mean death to Jews. It just doesn't. The last 4 years has just been Galahads telling every other minority group that they don't have the right to not be offended, so I'm a bit confused.

What about other Jews that were on the train on their way to protest in solidarity with the Palestinian people?

Cherie

23-10-2023, 11:57 AM

People pay an arm and a leg to travel around London, they should not be subjected to the politics of the driver whatever they might be

MTVN

23-10-2023, 12:02 PM

For the millionth time, "free Palestine" does not mean death to Jews. It just doesn't. The last 4 years has just been Galahads telling every other minority group that they don't have the right to not be offended, so I'm a bit confused.

What about other Jews that were on the train on their way to protest in solidarity with the Palestinian people?

I'm not sure that's as common as you think it is

Can't see many Jews wanting to be there amid a 300% rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the UK and amongst protesters chanting for jihad and the elimination of the state of Israel. Of course there will be some exceptions, just as you often get some non-white people in far right movements.

Beso

23-10-2023, 12:02 PM

For the millionth time, "free Palestine" does not mean death to Jews. It just doesn't. The last 4 years has just been Galahads telling every other minority group that they don't have the right to not be offended, so I'm a bit confused.

What about other Jews that were on the train on their way to protest in solidarity with the Palestinian people?

I'm sure those other Jews were shouting in the same good natured way that everyone else was..it still doesnt detract from the isolated jew passengers feeling of unease brought on by the idiot on the tannoy though.

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 12:06 PM

I'm not sure that's as common as you think it is

Can't see many Jews wanting to be there amid a 300% rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the UK and amongst protesters chanting for jihad and the elimination of the state of Israel. Of course there will be some exceptions, just as you often get some non-white people in far right movements.

How common does it need to be? What's the percentage of the UK Jewish population that needed to be in attendance to qualify as also being worthy of consideration?

The "Hierarchy of Jews" is slipping into very dangerous territory, especially paired with the equivalence game you're playing.

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 12:11 PM

I'm sure those other Jews were shouting in the same good natured way that everyone else was..it still doesnt detract from the isolated jew passengers feeling of unease brought on by the idiot on the tannoy though.

So do all minorities have the right to not be offended?

A free Palestine isn't a threat to Jews, but everyone telling them they should be scared to live here for the last 2 weeks, definitely adds to the fear in the air.

MTVN

23-10-2023, 12:20 PM

How common does it need to be? What's the percentage of the UK Jewish population that needed to be in attendance to qualify as also being worthy of consideration?

The "Hierarchy of Jews" is slipping into very dangerous territory, especially paired with the equivalence game you're playing.

It's not that they're not worthy of consideration, it's this idea that the presence of a few Jews at a pro-Palestine march means the Jewish community as a whole has nothing to worry about or is not facing any discrimination

You do accept that anti-Semitism has been on the increase recently and we should be worried about that?

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 12:34 PM

It's not that they're not worthy of consideration, it's this idea that the presence of a few Jews at a pro-Palestine march means the Jewish community as a whole has nothing to worry about or is not facing any discrimination

You do accept that anti-Semitism has been on the increase recently and we should be worried about that?

Of course I accept that AS attacks are on the rise, and probably haven't stopped rising yet, unfortunately.

The initial inference was that Jews all view things the same way. I've only pointed out that it's not true, and I didn't stray into any territory where I've dismissed a minority of Jews supporting Palestine, being equal to non-white people supporting white supremacy.

"Self loathing Jew" is a very real AS trope, and that's where you were heading - not for a second do i think intentionally, but still not a good argument to make imo.

bots

23-10-2023, 12:39 PM

jewish people may not be supportive of israeli action, but that doesn't stop them being very scared for their own safety. If they were caught on that train, they would be very uncomfortable at a minimum.

arista

23-10-2023, 12:47 PM

Jewish people may not be supportive of Israeli action, but that doesn't stop them being very scared for their own safety. If they were caught on that train, they would be very uncomfortable at a minimum.

Yes the Tube Driver
can not be found.

TFL confirmed

bots

23-10-2023, 12:56 PM

Yes the Tube Driver
can not be found.

TFL confirmed

thats obviously bollocks though

Cherie

23-10-2023, 12:59 PM

Yes the Tube Driver
can not be found.

TFL confirmed

This should be a concern to the travelling public if TFL do not know who is driving their trains at any given time?

Cherie

23-10-2023, 01:07 PM

On Wednesday night I had one of the most disturbing experiences in almost a decade since we founded Campaign Against Antisemitism. It exposed a chilling failing in how the Met polices London.

Our charity has enormous respect for the police and the risks that ordinary officers take in ensuring our safety here in the capital. But somewhere, the Met has taken a seriously wrong turn.

I saw this firsthand on Wednesday. In the early evening, there were protesters at a demonstration at Whitehall in which the chant “from the river to the sea” was heard. The Home Secretary has said that it is “a staple of anti-Semitic discourse”. The police were present but did nothing.

Those protesters then came to a van, contracted by our charity to raise awareness of the crimes of Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation, by displaying images of the child hostages. These protesters hurled abuse at the van, leaving our volunteers very shaken. The police, who were present at the scene, still did nothing.

If there are people threatening harm to other people, the priority of the police must surely be to stop the people threatening harm. But this seems to be less and less the case, and even more so in the past couple of weeks since Hamas terrorists murdered over 1,400 Israelis and took some 200 people, including babies, children and the elderly, hostage, and London’s streets have erupted.

When the police finally did decide to take action, it was – would you believe it? – against the van. They ordered it to shut down the images and leave central London. Why? Because it was a soft target. It was easier to order law-abiding citizens to take their humanitarian call for the return of child hostages elsewhere – ostensibly to keep the peace and ensure safety – than it was to arrest those who were trying to suppress our freedom of expression by blocking and intimidating the team in the van.

How is this policy of policing meant to reassure law-abiding citizens, Jewish or not?

The worst was yet to come. When the volunteers explained to me what had happened, I returned with the van to the same location. By then, no protesters were present. But the police again ordered the van to stop displaying the pictures — physically holding me aside until the drivers had done so — and get out of central London. Apparently there are too many people in London who might be offended at a reminder that a proscribed terrorist group has abducted Jewish children for the police to control.

The mob has won.

The Met released a couple of mealy mouthed statements, failing to take responsibility or apologise. But they also didn’t acknowledge what an abysmal failure of policing this is, because of what it says about the force’s priorities. All communities in London – including the Jewish community – deserve a policing policy that protects their rights, not the rights of those who mean us harm.

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=a+van+with+the+photos+of+the+hamas+hostages+stop ped+in+londdon&cvid=a667f76ad61f4ee18d66719a62a3a88a&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRhA0gEJMTA4OD VqMGoxqAIAsAIA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTS

user104658

23-10-2023, 01:54 PM

100% and I would argue it is definately British Transport Police issue as it involves the safety of the travelling public

So (while I agree on the unprofessionalism aspect) you're of the opinion that publicly expressing Palestinian-supporting sentiment is a public safety issue worthy of police involvement...

the police again ordered the van to stop displaying the pictures — physically holding me aside until the drivers had done so — and get out of central London. Apparently there are too many people in London who might be offended at a reminder that a proscribed terrorist group has abducted Jewish children for the police to control.

The mob has won.

The Met released a couple of mealy mouthed statements, failing to take responsibility or apologise. But they also didn’t acknowledge what an abysmal failure of policing this is.

...but here you're criticizing the police for saying that a billboard isn't turned back on because they're worried about public safety implications.

Weird maybe you can offer some clarity on this change of heart?

arista

23-10-2023, 01:55 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/23/14/76893739-0-image-m-2_1698068780365.jpg

arista

23-10-2023, 02:00 PM

[Israeli forces have debuted a new weapons
system dubbed the 'Iron Sting', sharing video
of it being used to destroy Hamas
rocket launchers as they step up aerial assaults
and raids on terrorist squads in Gaza ahead of
a planned ground invasion.
The Israeli Defense Forces have already staged
'limited' raids to fight Palestinian gunmen
and said it is targeting sites where Hamas
was assembling to resist any wider
Israeli invasion. 'During the night there were
raids by tank and infantry forces.
These raids are raids that kill squads
of terrorists who are preparing for our
next stage in the war.

These are raids that
go deep,' chief military spokesperson
Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a briefing.
Hamas said the infiltration by what it described
as an armoured force took place east of
Khan Younis in southern Gaza.
As Israel promises an escalation
of its aerial strikes and hints an
invasion may be imminent,
Palestinian Prime Minister Muhammad Shtayyeh
told his cabinet that Gazans are being
'exposed to the Israeli murder machine'.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12661261/Battle-eliminate-Hamas-three-months-IDF-warns-hits-320-Gaza-targets-deadly-overnight-airstrikes-Israeli-soldier-killed-failed-bid-rescue-hostages.html

user104658

23-10-2023, 02:00 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/23/14/76893739-0-image-m-2_1698068780365.jpg

Looks more like a stray Hamas firework to me, maybe a home-made pipe bomb, DEFINITELY not military-grade weapons donated by the world's largest military superpower. Like that time when a Hamas terrorist sneezed and accidentally blew up a hospital.

Cherie

23-10-2023, 02:10 PM

So (while I agree on the unprofessionalism aspect) you're of the opinion that publicly expressing Palestinian-supporting sentiment is a public safety issue worthy of police involvement...

...but here you're criticizing the police for saying that a billboard isn't turned back on because they're worried about public safety implications.

Weird maybe you can offer some clarity on this change of heart?

err give your head a wobble, one was conducted whiie a driver was at his place of work and should have had his mind on the job, the second was at a peaceful protest to raise awareness for the kidnapped, or are you of the mind that they should stay and home and shut up, I thought you were all for people being able to peacefully protest?

user104658

23-10-2023, 02:30 PM

err give your head a wobble, one was conducted whiie a driver was at his place of work and should have had his mind on the job, the second was at a peaceful protest to raise awareness for the kidnapped, or are you of the mind that they should stay and home and shut up, I thought you were all for people being able to peacefully protest?

I didn't say that the police were right or wrong in the second case and I was also clear on the first case; inappropriate for work (employer issue), not illegal (not a police issue). You were clear that it WAS a police issue, due to public safety.

Is your contention that you were saying that you thought the tube driver was creating a public safety issue because ... he was distracted and should have been concentrating on pressing the "go" button on the train? If so I apologise (but entirely disagree with the idea that that presents any sort of safety issue, lol) HOWEVER I assumed you considered it to be an issue of public safety because it might create an unsafe environment/civil unrest amongst those listening.

Which you seemed unconcerned about with the bulletin board; while the police were concerned.

Perhaps I have it wrong and you really were commenting on ... err ... the tube train driver's ability to speak whilst driving a train, which might cause ... I don't know. Him to forget where the brakes are or something?

You must really freak out when the pilot starts talking on flights :joker:.

"Hello this is your captain speaking, we're just coming into some turbul-- OH **** IF I'M DOING THIS WHO IS STEERING THE PLANE????"

arista

23-10-2023, 02:34 PM

PM Sunak
Is Going Live in Parliament
in a moment
on his return from the Hamas War.

arista

23-10-2023, 02:38 PM

thats obviously bollocks though

For Sure TFL
know who was driving that tube train
they are on shifts.

All logged into to their computer

arista

23-10-2023, 02:39 PM

PM Sunak
now Live on TV news

and LBC,
Times Radio

Cherie

23-10-2023, 02:42 PM

I didn't say that the police were right or wrong in the second case and I was also clear on the first case; inappropriate for work (employer issue), not illegal (not a police issue). You were clear that it WAS a police issue, due to public safety.

Is your contention that you were saying that you thought the tube driver was creating a public safety issue because ... he was distracted and should have been concentrating on pressing the "go" button on the train? If so I apologise (but entirely disagree with the idea that that presents any sort of safety issue, lol) HOWEVER I assumed you considered it to be an issue of public safety because it might create an unsafe environment/civil unrest amongst those listening.

Which you seemed unconcerned about with the bulletin board; while the police were concerned.

Perhaps I have it wrong and you really were commenting on ... err ... the tube train driver's ability to speak whilst driving a train, which might cause ... I don't know. Him to forget where the brakes are or something?

You must really freak out when the pilot starts talking on flights :joker:.

"Hello this is your captain speaking, we're just coming into some turbul-- OH **** IF I'M DOING THIS WHO IS STEERING THE PLANE????"

I said it earlier on the thread, although you have had a shocker today given you didnt know the Mayor is responsible for TFL, thought you knew everything...:fan: my point was and still is that the driver was at his day job, and part of that job is being responsible for the safety and comfort of everyone on the train, starting a political chant is not the best way to ensure passengers have a comfortable journey, everyone pays their fare and everyone should be treated to a comfortable journey without having to endure chanting, particularly at such a sensitive time, if drivers were chanting football songs down the tannoy every weekend I am sure there would be people withi plenty issues with it...this is no different.

arista

23-10-2023, 02:43 PM

PM Sunak sending £20 Millions to Gaza

Cherie

23-10-2023, 02:45 PM

Incidentally I really dont see the comparison between the tube driver and a van at an awareness march with photos of the kidnapped, perhaps you can explain

user104658

23-10-2023, 02:49 PM

I said it earlier on the thread, although you have had a shocker today given you didnt know the Mayor is responsible for TFL, thought you knew everything...:fan:

If you'd care to check back, I surmised that the Mayor of London WOULD be responsible for TFL, without googling to check, so admitted that it was a guess rather than knowledge. :hee: I've quoted below for your confirmation? I'm not Slim :nono: stop spreading misinformation.

I get the impression that London itself is heavily involved with TFL(?) so it may indeed be within the remit of the Mayor (ultimately) even as an employment issue.

:hee: :hee: You're welcome.

my point was and still is that the driver was at his day job, and part of that job is being responsible for the safety and comfort of everyone on the train, starting a political chant is not the best way to ensure passengers have a comfortable journey, everyone pays their fare and everyone should be treated to a comfortable journey without having to endure chanting, particularly at such a sensitive time, if drivers were chanting football songs down the tannoy every weekend I am sure there would be people withi plenty issues with it...this is no different.

It's a poor excuse for a clear enough propaganda-preference, but I'll let you have it since it's feasible. Reasonable doubt etc.

user104658

23-10-2023, 02:50 PM

Incidentally I really dont see the comparison between the tube driver and a van at an awareness march with photos of the kidnapped, perhaps you can explain

I can do that an uncharacteristically briefly;

Both are war propaganda.

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 02:52 PM

I'm not Slim :nono: stop spreading misinformation.

Why would you bring me into this?

Neither of us like Slim, so let me gloss over what you specifically said about me and we can join forces.

user104658

23-10-2023, 03:35 PM

Why would you bring me into this?

Neither of us like Slim, so let me gloss over what you specifically said about me and we can join forces.

In this case I think Cherie genuinely conflated the posts and thought I had made the initial comment about it being an employment issue and thus not being an issue for the police or Mayor.

FWIW I do think going straight to the Mayor of London would be like someone going to the CEO of Tesco because a staff member of one store said something they didn't like, which is probably what you also meant.

The Slim Reaper

23-10-2023, 03:45 PM

In this case I think Cherie genuinely conflated the posts and thought I had made the initial comment about it being an employment issue and thus not being an issue for the police or Mayor.

FWIW I do think going straight to the Mayor of London would be like someone going to the CEO of Tesco because a staff member of one store said something they didn't like, which is probably what you also meant.

Cherie said she thought you were supposed to know everything (not in a positive way), to which you replied "I'm not slim"

Either answer her questioning you directly, or don't, and I don't give AF either way, but don't snide me into it.

user104658

23-10-2023, 03:55 PM

Cherie said she thought you were supposed to know everything (not in a positive way), to which you replied "I'm not slim"

Either answer her questioning you directly, or don't, and I don't give AF either way, but don't snide me into it.

:shrug: I was referring to this part:

you didn't know the Mayor is responsible for TFL

And pointed out that in my post, I had guessed that the Mayor is responsible for TFL, and it was your post that (could have been seen to) be suggesting that the Mayor was not responsible for TFL.

I have literally no reason to be backtracking, if I was calling you a know-it-all I would just say so :umm2:.

The real irony is that I was actually denying Cherie's bogus claim/slander about myself not knowing everything.