Israel declares 'state of war' : Hamas fire '5,000' rockets

[MTVN]

At least 3 Brits are among those dead with 7 more missing and presumed dead

Killing innocent civilians from numerous different countries is certainly one way to rally the international community strongly against you

[user104658]

I'm not patriotic in any way because it's all an accident of birth as far as I'm concerned, but I'm self aware enough to Know that if the Romans turned up tomorrow and turfed me out of my house, put me in an open air prison, murdered generations of my family, stripped away any rights I had to participate in a society, I'd be fully radicalised to undertake whatever it took to hit back against any and all of my oppressors, and I think most people would.

Indeed but then you should also be self-aware enough to know that if a gang of extremists, or freedom fighters, whichever you choose to call them; a gang of men from one of the countless middle eastern countries that the UK has helped to destroy -- turned up at your house tomorrow, murdered your family and towed them off in a truck, you wouldn't be stood on your front doorstep sighing "Ahh well, we had it comin' I guess."

And the thing is I agree with you - if my family was killed because of the actions of another state, 100% I'd be off-the-rails crazy and trying to burn the world to the ground. Objective (as far as it can be) morality would be absolutely out the window. Like I said the actions can be explained, they can even be understandable, without being justified. Causing suffering to civilians because of political action simply cannot be justified.

[Cherie]

Indeed but then you should also be self-aware enough to know that if a gang of extremists, or freedom fighters, whichever you choose to call them; a gang of men from one of the countless middle eastern countries that the UK has helped to destroy -- turned up at your house tomorrow, murdered your family and towed them off in a truck, you wouldn't be stood on your front doorstep sighing "Ahh well, we had it comin' I guess."

And the thing is I agree with you - if my family was killed because of the actions of another state, 100% I'd be off-the-rails crazy and trying to burn the world to the ground. Objective (as far as it can be) morality would be absolutely out the window. Like I said the actions can be explained, they can even be understandable, without being justified. Causing suffering to civilians because of political action simply cannot be justified.

in a nutshell

[Nicky91]

some Synagogues here in my nation Netherlands want extra security measures out of fears for potential terror attacks against them living here




PVV's Geert Wilders hates our decommissionary government whom do support Ukraine, Turkey, Armenia, yet we don't raise the israeli flag here out of sympathies, he called us hypocrites


yup times of election ladies, you see our extreme right idiot sucking up to ethnic minorities

[user104658]

our government, and by extension, us citizens

I suppose for added clarity - I fundamentally reject this as a statement. Quite simply an illusion. The electorate has barely any real political influence over domestic politics, and none at all over global events. Those cogs are not forged in a voting booth or anywhere near one.

[Cherie]

How many people of unknown origin have we let into this country in the last couple of years? If I was a terrorist leader I'd make sure as many of my people were shipped in as possible.

It has been said many times but shut down as racist to even mention it, I wouldnt be surprised if there are attacks in Europe soon

[user104658]

It has been said many times but shut down as racist to even mention it, I wouldnt be surprised if there are attacks in Europe soon

It's a bit of a red herring IMO, the large terrorist organisations have resources/means of getting people in that are nothing to do with the formal immigration system.

Plus (not to beat a dusty old drum or anything) but they ****ed the NHS and health education through the floor so we have to import large numbers of staff from Africa/India & Pakistan/The Middle East for our own country to be even barely functional.

And you're a lot more likely to die of a stroke than in a terrorist attack.

[Livia]

Kosher restaurant in north London destroyed. Here we go again. And the news is glossing over marches in Europe to support Hamas. We already have armed guards and emergency lockdown systems in Jewish schools, the only group in the UK that needs this kind of protection. for children. My own synagogue has stab vests available for people who are worried and it's not because we're afraid of the far right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kosher restaurant in north London destroyed. Here we go again. And the news is glossing over marches in Europe to support Hamas. We already have armed guards and emergency lockdown systems in Jewish schools, the only group in the UK that needs this kind of protection. for children. My own synagogue has stab vests available for people who are worried and it's not because we're afraid of the far right.

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[MTVN]

Kosher restaurant in north London destroyed. Here we go again. And the news is glossing over marches in Europe to support Hamas. We already have armed guards and emergency lockdown systems in Jewish schools, the only group in the UK that needs this kind of protection. for children. My own synagogue has stab vests available for people who are worried and it's not because we're afraid of the far right.

Appalling this is happening in the UK, thoughts with you and the Jewish community

[Livia]

Thanks, MTVN. So glad my family moved from London.

[Crimson Dynamo]

still the main thing is we are not welcoming in thousands of fighting age Muslim men into the UK every week...

:skull:

[The Slim Reaper]

Indeed but then you should also be self-aware enough to know that if a gang of extremists, or freedom fighters, whichever you choose to call them; a gang of men from one of the countless middle eastern countries that the UK has helped to destroy -- turned up at your house tomorrow, murdered your family and towed them off in a truck, you wouldn't be stood on your front doorstep sighing "Ahh well, we had it comin' I guess."

And the thing is I agree with you - if my family was killed because of the actions of another state, 100% I'd be off-the-rails crazy and trying to burn the world to the ground. Objective (as far as it can be) morality would be absolutely out the window. Like I said the actions can be explained, they can even be understandable, without being justified. Causing suffering to civilians because of political action simply cannot be justified.

I don't expect anyone to think they had it coming, and I never implied otherwise. There is a very clear aggressor/oppressor in this conflict, and I hate the word conflict in this instance, because it implies it's a 50:50 dispute, but that's just a basic fact. Again, the attention is subtly moved away from the daily war crimes and crimes against humanity of Israel, which is the oppressor here.If you're rightly outraged about the crimes of 2 days ago, then you should be even more outraged that this has been happening continuously, and yet...there is a hear no evil, see no evil approach to discussing the truth about Israel and Palestine.

What do you think they should do? Carry on being wiped out in silence?

Or more importantly, what do you think they can do? What actions do you think are available to them, peaceful or otherwise? You agree with me their that their actions were understandable, and that's my position. Nothing more, nothing less.

Until we are prepared to talk about the last few decades of occupation and the devastation wrought upon the Palestinian people, then we're justifying the slaughter one way, whilst pretending it didn't happen.

[OnTheRight]

Hopefully Israel bomb Hamas out of existence.

[user104658]

What do you think they should do? Carry on being wiped out in silence?


This is a really tough question because I'm looking at it as a realist/pragmatist: their options are not "be wiped out in silence" vs "do something about it" ... and if the options are "Be wiped out" vs "Murder some random kids and tourists first, then still be wiped out, probably faster than ever" I'm going to have to say that yes the former is preferable.

If I thought they could make a difference to their situation my answer might be different. If they could target military or political targets my answer might be different. But that's not what has happened. They've killed innocent people, and achieved absolutely nothing in the process other than a swifter and more explosive demise.

The impulse to take action is one thing but the details of the actions that have actually been taken are another entirely ... again just not justifiable, not in any world.

There's no disagreement on the political principles at play - I'm certainly not a Zionist, I don't think Israel should have happened... it was at best short sighted and at worst knowingly and defiantly disastrous, and I'm of the belief that it was done 90% for strategic reasons and not because of ancestral lands of religious significance.

[bots]

i've said it before, but i will say it again, because it needs repeating. As long as Israel has existed, the countries that surround Israel have wanted the complete destruction of Israel and it's people. For it's entire existence, Israel has had to fight to protect itself from utter destruction. Prior to that, Hitler wanted to exterminate all jews and killed millions of them.

Do people really think that Israel should sit back and accept that hate and aggression without trying to protect itself?

[The Slim Reaper]

If this was printed in one of our own newspapers, there would be a parliamentary discussion and near universal condemnation.


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[The Slim Reaper]

i've said it before, but i will say it again, because it needs repeating. As long as Israel has existed, the countries that surround Israel have wanted the complete destruction of Israel and it's people. For it's entire existence, Israel has had to fight to protect itself from utter destruction. Prior to that, Hitler wanted to exterminate all jews and killed millions of them.

Do people really think that Israel should sit back and accept that hate and aggression without trying to protect itself?

So much defence.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[The Slim Reaper]

:joker:

[Liam-]

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[user104658]

Me and a couple of pals on a road trip once had an hour-long chat with a random bloke in a pub in Newcastle who, with a firey passion, desperately wanted Newcastle to be annexed by Scotland. He was absolutely wasted but his arguments were sound enough. So this map seems right. Not to keen on having to dig out my passport for a trip to Skye though :oh:.

[user104658]

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

I agree but then again, the people pointing this out so adamantly about Israel are often the ones who are/were happy enough to paint Ukraine as an innocent nation of angel babies.

That's not to say that Russia isn't the clear aggressor in Ukraine, just that the rewriting of Ukrainian politics has been ... well, at the very least interesting.

Also as above - Israel doesn't have "power and influence" over the west, Israel is a keystone in Western power over the Middle East. That's why they put it there. AGAIN though this is all irrelevant when considering the plights of Palestinian AND Israeli civilians... which is what should be the real humanitarian concern. Not which side is the "good guys". There literally are no good guys. Anywhere. There never have been.

[Livia]

At the end of WW2, Jews who survived the Holocaust were going to Israel. That's what kept many of them going. It doesn't matter what other nations said, the Jews were going home to Israel and no international treaty, no mandate would have altered that.

[Livia]

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

You're supporting a regime that would see you dead in a heartbeat.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A very interesting summary/listen

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[Stu]

People whose values are radically different to my own are still entitled to their own land. I've seen this "But can you go to a gay bar in Palestine?" sentiment a lot and it equates to Western entitlement and not seeing the woods for the trees. Is it something worth sorting out? You bet. Does it excuse hostile occupancy? For me it doesn't, but hey:

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Supporting Palestinian people's rights doesn't equate to supporting everything Hamas do. Nor does providing necessary context on the decades of systemic bully-state tactics that have led to this kind of conflict.

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There needs to be necessary contextualisation and understanding, because history unlearned from is doomed to repeat itself. I know the current news cycle makes it incredibly difficult - and that's actually completely excusable - but people with no real horse in the race weighing in to go "My team yeah! Turn Gaza into a car park!" are feeding into a loathsome culture war.

[Livia]

Women are second class citizens in Islam, some denied medical treatment and education. In some Muslim countries they cut the clitoris off their female children and sew them up so they can just urinate and bleed. Gay people are treated like animals, beaten, executed... But don't say anything, because, you know... Israel.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

At least 3 Brits are among those dead with 7 more missing and presumed dead



Yes and
9 Americans are sadly dead.

[The Slim Reaper]

Now we're moving on to all Muslims and Islam I see, not the specific hellish conditions the Muslims of Palestine are forced to rot in.

[Vanessa]

We live in really scary times.
It worries me that people are supporting Hamas.
I have sympathy for Palestinians , but this is not the way.

[The Slim Reaper]

We live in really scary times.
It worries me that people are supporting Hamas.
I have sympathy for Palestinians , but this is not the way.

People are supporting Palestinians, Vanessa. We're not Hamas supporters.

[Liam-]

Now we're moving on to all Muslims and Islam I see, not the specific hellish conditions the Muslims of Palestine are forced to rot in.

It’s what it’s always been about, Israel’s ‘right’ to wipe out Muslims and steal their land for themselves

[Stu]

Now we're moving on to all Muslims and Islam I see, not the specific hellish conditions the Muslims of Palestine are forced to rot in.
Yeah I give up. Stark naked whataboutery and ostrich effect.

[Vanessa]

People are supporting Palestinians, Vanessa. We're not Hamas supporters.

Yes, same.

[OnTheRight]

You're supporting a regime that would see you dead in a heartbeat.

People seem to forget this.

[The Slim Reaper]

People seem to forget this.

Because whenever this trope gets thrown out consistently, it's generally bollocks.

All 2 billion Muslims want to kill us in our beds and in the streets, oh lordy.

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Stop being scared of your shadow.

[Oliver_W]

Because whenever this trope gets thrown out consistently, it's generally bollocks.

All 2 billion Muslims want to kill us in our beds and in the streets, oh lordy.

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Stop being scared of your shadow.

The post spoke of the regime (Hamas), not all muslims.

[bots]

Because whenever this trope gets thrown out consistently, it's generally bollocks.

All 2 billion Muslims want to kill us in our beds and in the streets, oh lordy.

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Stop being scared of your shadow.

i think Livia was referring to the gay side of things, which is an absolute fact, but you knew this didn't you

[Livia]

Yeah I give up. Stark naked whataboutery and ostrich effect.

British Jews are being attacked. We're not Israelis. So don't talk to me about whataboutery.

I've spent a lot of time working in Israel, and in Palestine and some of the surrounding countries, been in refugee camps. I feel I have a right to speak without those who've probably never been to the Middle East accusing me of sticking my head in the sand.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yeah I give up. Stark naked whataboutery and ostrich effect.

It's depressing, but I think as Liam pointed out, it does point to the end goal and real intent. The modern Zionist ideology is a Jewish supremacy movement.

[Stu]

British Jews are being attacked. We're not Israelis. So don't talk to me about whataboutery.

I've spent a lot of time working in Israel, and in Palestine and some of the surrounding countries, been in refugee camps. I feel I have a right to speak without those who've probably never been to the Middle East accusing me of sticking my head in the sand.
Sweet, address the more nuanced post I made then.

[The Slim Reaper]

i think Livia was referring to the gay side of things, which is an absolute fact, but you knew this didn't you

I don't believe all Muslims want to kill all gay people, absolutely not. Just like I don't believe everyone in this country is a Braverman fascist, either.

[Swan]

I don't believe all Muslims want to kill all gay people, absolutely not. Just like I don't believe everyone in this country is a Braverman fascist, either.

It's not even about killing all gay people though. But as a whole, the Muslim community rejects homosexuality. Look at that protest outside a Primary school in Birmingham a few years ago against LGBT teachings.

No other religion rejects gay people as much as Islam does world wide, and here. It's just fact.

[Liam-]

Some Muslims not respecting me as a person because of my sexuality, isn’t going to make me co-sign my approval of an oppressive state committing genocide against an entire countries population, just like I wouldn’t co-sign the genocide of Christian’s for the same reason if one ever came about

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

BBC1HD London News
showed a restaurant,
in Edgware, Windows smashed
and Racist Graffiti
They would not show the text.


SkyNewsHD
showed a vigil in Paris
for Israel.

[OnTheRight]

Watching Israel strike back brilliantly. Well done Israel.

[Cherie]

BBC1HD London News
showed a restaurant,
in Edgware, Windows smashed
and Racist Graffiti
They would not show the text.


SkyNewsHD
showed a vigil in Paris
for Israel.

Racist graffiti is only condemned when it involves non whites

[Cherie]

Watching Israel strike back brilliantly. Well done Israel.

a humanitarian corridor should be opened for innocent civilians to leave they will effectively be starved to death if they stay

[Livia]

Maybe Egypt will open the border.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[The Slim Reaper]

This is Andrew Feinstein, his family was wiped out in the holocaust, and he was involved in working with the ANC after the fall of the apartheid regime.

In this video, he is talking about he Jewish politicians that make up the government, often in their own words. I doubt most of you will watch it, but if anyone has genuine interest, then it could be worth a watch.

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[bots]

that is a hard watch

[The Slim Reaper]

Thanks for taking the time to watch it, bots.

[bots]

The European Commission has announced that it’s suspending all its longer-term development funding to the Palestinian territories.

The EU is the largest donor to the Palestinians, spending about €691m (£600m; $728m) in aid.

Commissioner Oliver Varhelyi said all payments are immediately suspended, all projects put under review, and all new budget proposals postponed.

"The scale of terror and brutality against Israel and its people is a turning point," Varhelyi said. “Incitement to hatred, violence and glorification of terror have poisoned the minds of too many. We need action and we need it now."

These are quite strong words from the European Commission – an institution that usually opts for more diplomatic language and prefers to leave tough political statements to individual member states.

The speed of such a move is also significant: decisions like this normally take longer for the EU institutions, as they represent 27 different countries with a wide variety of political views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that is a hard watch

the video of the captured family who had already had their eldest daughter murdered with the 2 siblings distraught asking if she will come back was no different than watching families get off the trains at the death camps

chilling

how can anyone support these terrorists?

[The Slim Reaper]

the european commission has announced that it’s suspending all its longer-term development funding to the palestinian territories.

The eu is the largest donor to the palestinians, spending about €691m (£600m; $728m) in aid.

Commissioner oliver varhelyi said all payments are immediately suspended, all projects put under review, and all new budget proposals postponed.

"the scale of terror and brutality against israel and its people is a turning point," varhelyi said. “incitement to hatred, violence and glorification of terror have poisoned the minds of too many. We need action and we need it now."

these are quite strong words from the european commission – an institution that usually opts for more diplomatic language and prefers to leave tough political statements to individual member states.

The speed of such a move is also significant: Decisions like this normally take longer for the eu institutions, as they represent 27 different countries with a wide variety of political views on the israeli-palestinian conflict.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers delivers his verdict

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[Alf]

The Don would sort this in 24 hours.

He'd just say "Behave! or you'll get a smacked ass"

That would be suffice.

Biden could do that. But he doesn't want to.

[arista]

Sunak Live SkyNewsHD


He is standing with Israel
a London event
and will not tolerate
attacks on Jewish people in London.


BBC not there

[arista]

Gaza Image
Child saved.



[A paramedic holds a little girl with her
face full of blood and dirt from the effects
of the bombing of Israeli planes in Gaza on Monday]
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[Crimson Dynamo]

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water canon all of them

[Oliver_W]

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water canon all of them
How do socialist and communist views align with a regime (and a religion) which is decided not left wing at all?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Lammy MP
in Liverpool talking on his LBC
said Hamas has shared videos
of Female hostages raped

[Ninastar]

the video of the captured family who had already had their eldest daughter murdered with the 2 siblings distraught asking if she will come back was no different than watching families get off the trains at the death camps

chilling

how can anyone support these terrorists?

I saw that one. ****ing horrific. I can’t get it out of my head

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Real Sad
Hamas Murdered that whole family.

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

When it was Corbyn as leader
they would be inside the hall

Under New Labour, Starmer
outside the Hall only

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[OnTheRight]

:dance: Israel is flattening Gazza.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When it was Corbyn as leader
they would be inside the hall

Under New Labour, Starmer
outside the Hall only

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look at that evil twat with the Celtic flag

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the actual state of the "pro-palestine" hate mob

If you are happy being on their side....God help you

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[Vanessa]

Israel need to go in strong. They have no choice.
I actually feel for both sides, except Hamas. They're terrorists and criminals.

[Liam-]

When it was Corbyn as leader
they would be inside the hall

Under New Labour, Starmer
outside the Hall only

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No room for differing opinions in Starmer’s labour

[arista]

No room for differing opinions in Starmer’s labour


Of Course not


He is like New Labour was

[arista]

Residents in Ashkelon
must leave that zone by 5PM

SkyNewsHD Live

[joeysteele]

Israel need to go in strong. They have no choice.
I actually feel for both sides, except Hamas. They're terrorists and criminals.

That's the sad fact.
Because it is awful that lives are lost like this

Hamas have gambled and I hope have lost.
I stand with Israel too, always have done.

[bots]

Israel have to go in one way or another to get the hostages back. Ground war is the only way you can really properly take out their infrastructure too, but the bloodshed is going to be horrendous and hamas will exploit that all the way

[Denver]

There is belief that the war will now spill over into Lebanon

[Livia]

Why is no one asking why Egypt won't open its border with Gaza. You'd think they'd want to take in their brothers and sisters. Spoiler: because of Hamas.

[bots]

Why is no one asking why Egypt won't open its border with Gaza. You'd think they'd want to take in their brothers and sisters. Spoiler: because of Hamas.

yeah, they are only allowing pre-arranged crossings. They don't want the war escalating to their country

[Nicky91]

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[bots]

do you think gazza will have ULEZ restrictions in place?

[Denver]

The UAE has warned Syria to not get involved or allow attacks from their soil

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

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Good link

LIVE

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[bots]

A mother and her 2 daughters taken hostage

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[arista]

A mother and her 2 daughters taken hostage

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Yes Hamas are
Evil taking them

[Cherie]

Former Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks forward Amar’e Stoudemire took to Instagram in a since-deleted post over the weekend to blast Black Lives Matter for its praise of the Hamas attack on Israel.

Stoudemire, who is Jewish, took specific issue with Black people who support Hamas and perceived acts of terror.

“I woke up this morning with some disturbing news out of Israel – that Hamas kidnapping children, putting them in cages, killing women, killing the elderly. That’s some coward [stuff]. That’s cowardly,” Stoudemire said Sunday on Instagram, according to Fox News.“And for all y’all Black Lives Matter (supporters) ain’t saying nothing, ‘Well let me figure out exactly what’s happening before saying anything,’ [Expletive] you.

“Figure out what? It ain’t never been cool to kidnap kids and put them in cages. Ain’t never been cool to kill women and elderly,” Stoudemire said. “Never been no matter where you from, what you represent, what tribe you from, it don’t matter. It ain’t never been no cool thing. That ain’t never been nothing nobody supported. And then you go and hide and put the kids in front of you as a barricade. That’s some coward [stuff].”

Stoudemire also blasted politicians in the United States for remaining silent or showing sympathy for Hamas.
All you politicians who have something to say on the contrary – I see you. [Expletive] you. All you Black Lives Matter people who always have something to say and always supported everything else and you quiet now – [Expletive] you too. Only place in the world I can go and study Torah and eat Kosher food. Only place in the world. Some coward [stuff], dog, and all y’all support it. [Expletive] you.”
Stoudemire later returned to Instagram to clarify his comments in the deleted post while also highlighting that he wasn’t apologizing.

“To Black Lives Matter and the Politicians. I recognize that it is everyone’s choice if they want to speak about the conflict and that while I may want people to say more, that there is a better way that I can communicate that,” Stoudemire wrote.

“I want to make sure to mention that I am thankful for all of the work that people as a whole have done so far for their communities and I hope that we all strive to do more.

“THIS IS NOT A [sic] APOLOGY…”

[Vanessa]

That's just horrific. I don't know how anyone can support Hamas.

[Cherie]

A mother and her 2 daughters taken hostage

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/10/10/c6868344-ace4-4d44-8855-2e20d36c19be.jpg

Don't even want to think about what is happening to them

[arista]

USA TV media is reporting
HAMAS has 4 American Hostages.


Ref: CNN HD USA on UK TV/ FoxNewsHD (online only)

[UserSince2005]

Weird how Egypt won’t let these beautiful calm tranquil victims cross the border to safety. Its like they think they could be barbaric terrorists of something.

[arista]

Weird how Egypt won’t let these beautiful calm tranquil victims cross the border to safety. Its like they think they could be barbaric terrorists of something.


That's their only way out



So get across away from the roads

[Vanessa]

USA TV media is reporting
HAMAS has 4 American Hostages.


Ref: CNN HD USA on UK TV/ FoxNewsHD (online only)

They're trading into dangerous ground.
If they hurt the hostages the us could intervene.

[arista]

They're trading into dangerous ground.
If they hurt the hostages the US could intervene.

Yes I assume they could be released.

To get that risk,
removed

[bots]

The US won't intervene unless the conflict starts to spread to other factions/countries. At the moment, it's probably 50/50 that the conflict expands

[arista]

This is getting like ISIS


[Hamas terrorists 'beheaded babies during
kibbutz slaughter': IDF soldiers reveal horrific
scenes of carnage they discovered at site
where scores of people were massacred]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.html

[Cherie]

This is getting like ISIS


[Hamas terrorists 'beheaded babies during
kibbutz slaughter': IDF soldiers reveal horrific
scenes of carnage they discovered at site
where scores of people were massacred]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.html

Scum of the earth

[Vanessa]

I have no idea how can some people support them.
They kill babies :rant:

[bots]

it's worse than isis because this is babies. It's genocide plain and simple

[Vanessa]

it's worse than isis because this is babies. It's genokcide plain and simple
I hope Israel detroys every one of them in the Hamas group. It's the only way to stop them.

[The Slim Reaper]

The only source of the beheaded babies story (so far), is the Israeli military, so although it could well be true, I'd hold off on believing it just yet, as they are a well known spreader of lies and disinformation.

[Liam-]

Israel continue to commit war crimes live on tv and the west turns a blind eye because the victims of the atrocities are of a certain religion,, if we had any actual balls Mr Netanyahu would be dragged to The Hague like Putin is destined to be

[The Slim Reaper]

That's their only way out



So get across away from the roads

Israel is bombing there, despite saying that everyone should get out, and this being their only way.

[UserSince2005]

Israel continue to commit war crimes live on tv and the west turns a blind eye because the victims of the atrocities are of a certain religion,, if we had any actual balls Mr Netanyahu would be dragged to The Hague like Putin is destined to be

War crimes, you mean speaking their language back to them? Maybe now they might just get it threw their thick skulls?

[OnTheRight]

I hope Israel detroys every one of them in the Hamas group. It's the only way to stop them.

100% agree.
(Mods, I hope I'm allowed to agree with this :shrug: )

[bots]

Israel continue to commit war crimes live on tv and the west turns a blind eye because the victims of the atrocities are of a certain religion,, if we had any actual balls Mr Netanyahu would be dragged to The Hague like Putin is destined to be

so hamas beheading babies is ok with you? I don't see you saying anything about that

[Swan]

Israel continue to commit war crimes live on tv and the west turns a blind eye because the victims of the atrocities are of a certain religion,, if we had any actual balls Mr Netanyahu would be dragged to The Hague like Putin is destined to be

Please go an live in one of these Muslim countries Liam and see how you get on as a gay man.

[UserSince2005]

This is getting like ISIS


[Hamas terrorists 'beheaded babies during
kibbutz slaughter': IDF soldiers reveal horrific
scenes of carnage they discovered at site
where scores of people were massacred]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.html

These barbaric animals have no limits.
This is fun to them.

[OnTheRight]

Please go an live in one of these Muslim countries Liam and see how you get on as a gay man.

:thumbs:

[UserSince2005]

Please go an live in one of these Muslim countries Liam and see how you get on as a gay man.

he just wants to be the white saviour of brown people.
he has no intention of ever actually being surrounded by these people.

[Liam-]

so hamas beheading babies is ok with you? I don't see you saying anything about that

If that true that’s obviously appalling and nobody would say otherwise, my point about Israel still stands no matter how many deselections and justifications are thrown out there.

It seems like the only deaths of children that matter to the people backing a terrorist state like Israel, are the non Muslim children that die

[Swan]

he just wants to be the white saviour of brown people.
he has no intention of ever actually being surrounded by these people.

The problem is, the UK as a whole welcomes massive multicultural immigration, it's why we have so many people risking their lives daily to get here. Everyone, no matter race, religion or sexuality is treated with respect (for the most part) here. But somehow we're the bad guys, and the massively racist, sexiest, homophobic, Islamic nations are defended by the same people these countries would rather kill seen as look at, or accept. It's baffling.

[Vanessa]

100% agree.
(Mods, I hope I'm allowed to agree with this :shrug: )
Obviously not the civilians. Only the terrorist group.

[UserSince2005]

Obviously not the civilians. Only the terrorist group.

the civilians who celebrated in the street as hamas paraded dead bodies through their neighbourhood?

[UserSince2005]

J0ZnWqg6-NE

[OnTheRight]

Obviously not the civilians. Only the terrorist group.

Me>>>>>>Silence is golden. :hee:

[Denver]

Shania, the girl who was pictured dead in the back of a truck is now believed to be alive but in a critical condition

[UserSince2005]

Shania, the girl who was pictured dead in the back of a truck is now believed to be alive but in a critical condition

The things they will have done to her, poor thing to have lived through it all.

They need to hand her back over now!

[Vanessa]

the civilians who celebrated in the street as hamas paraded dead bodies through their neighbourhood?

They still have children in there and they're innocent.

[arista]

Over 1,500 Hamas Military now dead


SkyNewsHD Live

[Cherie]

An Israeli grandmother was murdered by Hamas terrorists with her killers posting it on her own Facebook account, her family has said.

Describing her as “pure and good”, the unnamed woman’s granddaughter Mor Bayder claimed the horrifying videos were shared publicly on social media, reportedly showing the elderly woman being slaughtered in her own home.

“A terrorist came home to her, killed her, took her phone, filmed the horror and published it on her Facebook wall,” Ms Bayder said. “This is how we found out.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-grandmother-s-murder-posted-on-her-own-facebook-page-by-hamas-terrorists/ar-AA1hZBYW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a8681ee40e1d4f15bfff2cf4f21d1bf6&ei=8

This is not war, its slaughter

[OnTheRight]

An Israeli grandmother was murdered by Hamas terrorists with her killers posting it on her own Facebook account, her family has said.

Describing her as “pure and good”, the unnamed woman’s granddaughter Mor Bayder claimed the horrifying videos were shared publicly on social media, reportedly showing the elderly woman being slaughtered in her own home.

“A terrorist came home to her, killed her, took her phone, filmed the horror and published it on her Facebook wall,” Ms Bayder said. “This is how we found out.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-grandmother-s-murder-posted-on-her-own-facebook-page-by-hamas-terrorists/ar-AA1hZBYW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a8681ee40e1d4f15bfff2cf4f21d1bf6&ei=8

This is not war, its slaughter

And people on these forums support this. :shrug:

[Vanessa]

Over 1,500 Hamas Military now dead


SkyNewsHD Live
That's great news.

[OnTheRight]

Over 1,500 Hamas Military now dead


SkyNewsHD Live

:dance::banana:

[Denver]

Russia has now threatened to get involved

[bots]

A few years ago, they always said WW3 would start in the middle east

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Over 1,000 Israelis have sadly
been murdered by Hamas


Ch4HDnews
showed dead Hamas Military
still on the ground,
the reporter in Israel,
could smell the dead.

[arista]

Biden Now Live


14 Americans Confirmed Dead.

He stands with Israel.

[arista]

Hamas Leader spoke
on Ch4HDnews on a screen,


He said if Israel release the Palestinian Prisoners
they will release all hostages.

[bots]

In a further show of its unequivocal support for Israel, the US State Department has just announced that the country's top diplomat, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, will travel to Israel "in the coming days".

Blinken will "engage our Israeli partners directly about the situation on the ground and how we can continue to best support them in their fight against the terrorists who launched these horrific attacks," the department said.

"Our support for Israel is unwavering."

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

is that supposed to be a paraglider?

[Livia]

I have family in Haifa... Just found out they're all safe. Wanted to share that.

We used to have an Israeli lad on here, YWinter. I hope he's safe also.

[Vanessa]

I have family in Haifa... Just found out they're all safe. Wanted to share that.

We used to have an Israeli lad on here, YWinter. I hope he's safe also.
Glad that they're safe. :hug:

[bots]

I have family in Haifa... Just found out they're all safe. Wanted to share that.

We used to have an Israeli lad on here, YWinter. I hope he's safe also.

Glad to hear that Livia. I can't imagine what its like for extended families there at the moment

[Livia]

Thanks Ness x

Edit... And thanks Bots. It's been grim waiting for news.

[Iceman]

Can't imagine how hard it is waiting for news. Glad to hear they're safe Livia.

[OnTheRight]

I have family in Haifa... Just found out they're all safe. Wanted to share that.

We used to have an Israeli lad on here, YWinter. I hope he's safe also.

:lovedup: Glad to hear this.

[Oliver_W]

Russia has now threatened to get involved

Oh gee, I wonder who they'll support ...

[The Slim Reaper]

With all the misinformation around, I'd wait to hear confirmation from reuters, before believing the rumours and fog of war disinformation. Hopefully this remains nothing more than disinformation.

1711827929489867156

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh gee, I wonder who they'll support ...

He's actually strung both sides along over the years, and is friendly with both. The Russian position is that Palestine should be it's own state - which is how it was before they were invaded and occupied.

[The Slim Reaper]

Normal, non-authoritarian country. I'm sure the galahad free speech brigade will no doubt fight against this :think:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8GKQw2XoAAoRYQ?format=jpg&name=small

[UserSince2005]

They still have children in there and they're innocent.

Yeah defo save the children.

Terrible to kill children.

Especially given how we know Palestinians love the photo opportunities when their kids get hurt.

[UserSince2005]

This news reports on BBC news are too much.
What animals the Palestinians have been.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[UserSince2005]

BBC news was very pro Israel tonight. I think even they are shocked by the atrocities committed.

[Cherie]

I have family in Haifa... Just found out they're all safe. Wanted to share that.

We used to have an Israeli lad on here, YWinter. I hope he's safe also.

Good news among the grimness Liv, I recall YWinter was going to come to the UK not that it is a very safe place currently but safer than the Middle East

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5E72/production/_131387142_thetimes-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16BFA/production/_131387139_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8582/production/_131387143_thesun-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/110EC/production/_131386896_metro-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15F0C/production/_131386898_inewspaper-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1052/production/_131387140_dailymail-nc.png.webp

[user104658]

Oh gee, I wonder who they'll support ...

Russia has a fairly obvious reason to want US/European military resources to be tied up in the Middle East and military aid to be focused on Israel.

If the guns n ammo are in Israel and Palestine, they're not in Ukraine.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1711850307968278966

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1711850307968278966

... it's Owen Jones.

If you want a wobbly head on your show to make The Left(tm) look stupid, you invite him.

[Nicky91]

Russia is more Anti-USA, they immediately pointed towards the lazy US policy in this crisis


and Putin had said they are going to talk to officials from both Israel and Hamas

[bots]

17 british nationals including children are missing or dead

[bots]

The Israeli military says hundreds of thousands of troops are near the Gaza border "ready to execute the mission we have been given"

Israel is expected to launch a ground offensive on the Gaza Strip soon - it says the mission is to "make sure Hamas won't have any military capabilities"

[Vanessa]

The Israeli military says hundreds of thousands of troops are near the Gaza border "ready to execute the mission we have been given"

Israel is expected to launch a ground offensive on the Gaza Strip soon - it says the mission is to "make sure Hamas won't have any military capabilities"

They need to go in strong. Get rid of all the military of Hamas. It has to be done or they won't stop.

[Livia]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1711850307968278966

Did the nasty Jewish lady interrupt you. And after you had "let her speak".

It's like, on the second or third day of the Ukraine/Russia war, telling a Ukrainian, you know, the Russians are suffering too.

[bots]

war is gruesome and horrible. It's like people have no idea what a war is

[Livia]

Ain't that the truth, Bots. Makes me feel so grateful we're not all caught up in it.

[Denver]

Did the nasty Jewish lady interrupt you. And after you had "let her speak".

It's like, on the second or third day of the Ukraine/Russia war, telling a Ukrainian, you know, the Russians are suffering too.

Why make out this is all the doing of Palestine when Israel having been murdering children for years

[Denver]

Israel are gonna end up tried on war crimes after using illegal bombs

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why make out this is all the doing of Palestine when Israel having been murdering children for years

Id imagine that is because Hamas cowardly have their hq in hospitals and launch rockets from schools?

just saying like

[Denver]

Id imagine that is because Hamas cowardly have their hq in hospitals and launch rockets from schools?

just saying like

Israel have been murdering them for years, the only real victim's in this are the innocent citizens dead not the governments

[Livia]

Why make out this is all the doing of Palestine when Israel having been murdering children for years

So the Israeli babies beheaded... they deserved it, right?

[Livia]

Israel gave been murdering them for years, the knoy real lovers in this are the innocent citizens dead not the governments

What?

Maybe serious debates is not for you...

[Livia]

Israel are gonna end up tried on war crimes after using illegal bombs

Hamas broke International law on Saturday on several counts. Do you have anything to say about that? I mean, are you just here to cause trouble or do you want a debate? Because right now you sound pretty uninformed.

[Liam-]

Israel are gonna end up tried on war crimes after using illegal bombs

As they should be, they’ve gotten away with their atrocities against the people of Palestine for too long

[Denver]

So the Israeli babies beheaded... they deserved it, right?

That was s debunked with no proof it ever happened

[Denver]

Hamas broke International law on Saturday on several counts. Do you have anything to say about that? I mean, are you just here to cause trouble or do you want a debate? Because right now you sound pretty uninformed.

Israel stole the land and aimed to cleanse it of all Islam, just because you hate Muslims doesn't make your opinion right.

Israel are no better then the west when it comes to illegally occupying counties based on lies

[Livia]

Israel stole the land and aimed to cleanse it of all Islam, just because you hate Muslims doesn't make your opinion right.

Israel are no better then the west when it comes to illegally occupying counties based on lies

Go read the thread, you might learn something. Your child-like summing up is embarrassing.

[Livia]

That was s debunked with no proof it ever happened

Goodbye.

[Denver]

Just as I thought no response when your called out on spreading lies

[arista]

Israel was given the Land
after WW2.

Great Britain oversaw the paper signed

[Cherie]

Just as I thought no response when your called out on spreading lies

Are you okay?

I suppose 250 people weren't shot dead at a festival either

No elderly or women were taken

People weren't burned alive

That german lady paraded around half naked with a bunch of hard men sitting on her was a figment of our imagination

Please...

[Cherie]

That was s debunked with no proof it ever happened

link?

[Denver]

[/B]

Are you okay?

I suppose 250 people weren't shot dead at a festival either

No elderly or women were taken

People weren't burned alive

That german lady paraded around half naked with a bunch of hard men sitting on her was a figment of our imagination

Please...
There is no physical evidence that 250 people were killed out the festival alone

No evidence of rape

No evidence of murdered babies

And the mother of the girl has a complete different story to the IDF


There is also a Jewish woman who was told by Hamas they had no intention of killing her

The IDF are known to lie and I dont trust their statements nor do I trust the statements of Hamas

[bots]

the more interesting thing is that Denver was saying how terrible it was for Israel in this very thread a couple of days ago.

I think he has been listening to the BLM propaganda

[Denver]

link?

The journalist who said it then went back and said she saw no proof and was told by a soldier

[Denver]

the more interesting thing is that Denver was saying how terrible it was for Israel in this very thread a couple of days ago.

Its terrible for the civilians not the government

[Denver]

The problem is the West refuse to look into the history, how can Israel reclaim land that was never theirs to reclaim?

[arista]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/VE_day_Jerusalem_1945.jpg/440px-VE_day_Jerusalem_1945.jpg

Jerusalem on VE Day, 8 May 1945

[Gusto Brunt]

I have to say I cried when I saw that lifeless baby being pulled out of the rubble of a house. :(

[arista]

The problem is the West refuse to look into the history, how can Israel reclaim land that was never theirs to reclaim?


Sure
that's a battle going on
for some time now

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is the West refuse to look into the history, how can Israel reclaim land that was never theirs to reclaim?

i suggest just the first few minutes may help you..

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[user104658]

Its terrible for the civilians not the government

Indeed, IMO there simply is no morally right side to take in this conflict politically. It's a MESS, it's been a mess for the better part of a century. The only victims in this are not "Palestine" or "Israel", they are the civilians from both countries who are suffering because of machinations they have no control over.

There's elements of that in every war and it has always been thus... however, in this, far more than most.

And the social media disinformation and "side taking" doesn't help matters... as well as being inappropriate, and crass to the point of being disgusting. Infested with the usual banal, shallow tribalism completely devoid of any hint of consideration or compassion.

[bots]

Indeed, IMO there simply is no morally right side to take in this conflict politically. It's a MESS, it's been a mess for the better part of a century. The only victims in this are not "Palestine" or "Israel", they are the civilians from both countries who are suffering because of machinations they have no control over.

There's elements of that in every war and it has always been thus... however, in this, far more than most.

And the social media disinformation and "side taking" doesn't help matters... as well as being inappropriate, and crass to the point of being disgusting. Infested with the usual banal, shallow tribalism completely devoid of any hint of consideration or compassion.


you either wash your hands of it or you take a side in any war. Thats the way of war

[user104658]

you either wash your hands of it or you take a side in any war. Thats the way of war

I fundamentally reject this statement as anti-intellectual claptrap, sorry BOTS. It is absolutely possible to observe any conflict (be that between two of your pals or two world powers) from an as-objective-as-possible analytical standpoint whilst still empathising with anyone caught up in the carnage through no fault of their own.

[Livia]

you either wash your hands of it or you take a side in any war. Thats the way of war

It's the normal, human response.

[Nicky91]

meanwhile in Netherlands, in Urk to be more specific

https://nltimes.nl/2023/10/11/israeli-flags-stolen-20-urk-homes-set-fire


Nearly two dozen Israeli flags were collected and set on fire in Urk overnight, the police confirmed to NL Times. The municipality of Urk said that the flags were taken from homes and set alight next to De Poort church, a Reformed Protestant Church.

“Many people in our municipality feel connected with the people in Israel, so they are hanging flags on their houses,” a spokesperson for Urk told NL Times on Wednesday. “Last night, about 20 Israeli flags were taken down, collected, and burned next to a church.”

“We have indeed received reports about Israeli flags set on fire in Urk,” a spokesperson for the police said. Police officers were working in the neighborhoods where the incidents happened to collect more information and to give victims an opportunity to press charges.

Police were also notified about a video going viral online showing someone stomping on an Israeli flag while removing it from the front of someone’s home. Anyone with video, images, or information related to the investigation should contact police, a spokesperson told NL Times. No arrests have been made, and police did not release a description of anyone suspected of involvement.

The spokesperson for Urk said that they had not yet decided whether to press charges as a municipality, or to leave it to the individual households. She said the Israeli flag was also hoisted at the Urk City Hall building, where it will remain for the week. That flag was not taken down and burned at the De Poort church with the others. The debris was cleaned up by the municipality.

The spokesperson said she does not know if that church was chosen for a reason or if it was random. The Bethelkerk, a church connected to De Poort church, was scheduled to host an event Wednesday evening called “Urk Sings for Israel.”


https://nltimes.nl/sites/nltimes.nl/files/styles/news_article_full/public/2023-10/Israeli_flags_Urk_11_Oct_2023.jpg?h=d1cb525d

[Nicky91]

as for stranded dutch tourists in Israel

https://nltimes.nl/2023/10/11/defense-plane-picking-dutch-people-israel-today


Dutch people in Israel will be repatriated from Wednesday. A Defense plane will pick them up on Wednesday and likely a KLM plane on Thursday, said Foreign Minister Hanke Bruins Slot. About 200 people are provisionally eligible for evacuation.

Dutch people in Israel who wanted to leave the country after Saturday’s terrorist attack and the subsequent violence have so far had to rely on themselves. But “in recent days, it has proven increasingly difficult to book a flight home,” Bruins Slot said. Therefore, she decided to “facilitate the repatriation” of Dutch school pupils, students, and other travelers in danger of being stranded in Israel.

A military flight will leave Eindhoven on Wednesday to pick up Dutch people, Minister Kajsa Ollongren (Defense) said. The aircraft will likely return to Eindhoven. If circumstances permit, a KLM charter will follow on Thursday. “It is very nice that both Defense and KLM have shown themselves so willing,” said Bruins Slot.

KLM emphasized that the safety of the crew and passengers always comes first and is, therefore, cautious. “Ultimately, the current safety situation will determine whether the flight is actually carried out,” a spokesperson said.

An Airbus A330 from the Multinational Multirole Tanker Transport (MRTT) Unit, which is stationed at Eindhoven air base, will be used for the military flight. The aircraft can accommodate 267 passengers and 45 tons of cargo. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will inventory how many people with a Dutch passport want to use this option, the Ministry reported.

It is a first flight, Ministers Bruins Slot and Ollongren wrote to parliament. They are investigating whether more military and civilian flights can be used after this.


they were being brought home today as we speak, there were still many hundreds of tourists trapped in Israel

[bots]

I fundamentally reject this statement as anti-intellectual claptrap, sorry BOTS. It is absolutely possible to observe any conflict (be that between two of your pals or two world powers) from an as-objective-as-possible analytical standpoint whilst still empathising with anyone caught up in the carnage through no fault of their own.

with respect take a look at history. I don't go with pseudo intellectual clap trap

[user104658]

with respect take a look at history.

Take a look at what in history? It's not "pseudo-intellectual" to try to take an objective view of war, it's literally academic, and what the entire study of history is about. The idea that you have to "pick a side 'til it's over" before you can have a proper look at the political nuance involved is emotive garbage.

[Nicky91]

i agree with SB here


both sides have innocent victims



Hamas are evil scum yup, can't argue against that


but i personally don't think bombing the hell out of Gaza is the smartest thing to do from Israel, you'd know you also cause a lot of collateral damage like that, rather than precision attacks (tbh that is what the Mossad used to be very good at)

not all palestinians are hamas militants



and also cutting Gaza off from food, water supplies, like what the **** that is seriously unethical towards the innocents living there :umm2:


what the EU says too, Israel has a right to defend itself, with counter attacks, but cutting Gaza off from food, water and medical supplies shouldn't be allowed

[Cherie]

There is no physical evidence that 250 people were killed out the festival alone

No evidence of rape

No evidence of murdered babies

And the mother of the girl has a complete different story to the IDF

so they bulldozed and paraglided in to do what exactly>
There is also a Jewish woman who was told by Hamas they had no intention of killing her

The IDF are known to lie and I dont trust their statements nor do I trust the statements of Hamas

so they bulldozed and paraglided in to do what exactly? what was the intention?

[Cherie]

For the record I dont agree with cutting off vital supplies to civilians but Hamas are the key to starting this

[bots]

Take a look at what in history? It's not "pseudo-intellectual" to try to take an objective view of war, it's literally academic, and what the entire study of history is about. The idea that you have to "pick a side 'til it's over" before you can have a proper look at the political nuance involved is emotive garbage.

what do you think Nato is? It is a side already picked. Do you think any Nato country is going to join Russia and attack Ukraine.

The world is based around partners you can trust .... taking a side

[Denver]

so they bulldozed and paraglided in to do what exactly? what was the intention?

Just because they forced their way in and killed people doesn't make all the facts true especially when the facts were told by the enemy

[Denver]

what do you think Nato is? It is a side already picked. Do you think any Nato country is going to join Russia and attack Ukraine.

The world is based around partners you can trust .... taking a side

The same Nato where tensions are intensifying between 2 of the nations?

[Cherie]

Just because they forced their way in and killed people doesn't make all the facts true especially when the facts were told by the enemy

pretty sure Hamas have themselves posted clips of carnage?

[Cherie]

Are you saying this is a lie

An Israeli grandmother was murdered by Hamas terrorists with her killers posting it on her own Facebook account, her family has said.

Describing her as “pure and good”, the unnamed woman’s granddaughter Mor Bayder claimed the horrifying videos were shared publicly on social media, reportedly showing the elderly woman being slaughtered in her own home.

“A terrorist came home to her, killed her, took her phone, filmed the horror and published it on her Facebook wall,” Ms Bayder said. “This is how we found out.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-grandmother-s-murder-posted-on-her-own-facebook-page-by-hamas-terrorists/ar-AA1hZBYW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d878bc8d7b343a59fa7d4610ee631b8&ei=11

[user104658]

what do you think Nato is? It is a side already picked. Do you think any Nato country is going to join Russia and attack Ukraine.

The world is based around partners you can trust .... taking a side

What does NATO and any country's global political maneuvering have to do with an individual's opinion of a conflict or war in general? What does it have to do with individually "taking a side"? Unless you're suggesting that there's some patriotic necessity for individual opinion - or even mass public approval - to be on the same side as a nation's global political decision-making by default?

They are ENTIRELY separate discussions and, in fact, my opinion on the outcome that would be best for global stability has really nothing at all to do with any moral assessment of how a conflict has started. If Israel doesn't win this conflict and return to relative stability fairly quickly, from a western perspective (which I do indeed selfishly have to take, being a family man living in the west) we're in a very bad situation.

That has no bearing at all on any objective moral right or wrong in the situation.

Hamas is an organisation of religious extremists who have used unthinkable terrorist tactics.

Israel has increasingly become an apartheid borderline fascist state (also packed to the gills with religious ideology/a clear philosophy of supremacy) that has mistreated Palestine abysmally.

Everyone is free to believe differently, if they happen to believe differently, but no one "has to" support either by pretending anything else.

[arista]

Sadly,
17 Britons missing in Israel

SkyNewsHD reports

[arista]

https://twitter.com/TheFirstonTV/status/1712114541742494106

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/11/15/76430697-0-image-m-5_1697034265020.jpg

[Hamas has this afternoon launched
a fresh wave of rocket attacks across southern Israel,
including a child development centre,
even as Gaza holds its breath with
Israel's Defence Forces massing hundreds of
thousands of troops on its border.

Shocking images and videos out of
Israel's southern city of Ashkelon purportedly
showed how the Child Development wing of
the Barzilai Medical Centre suffered a direct hit
which reduced parts of the building to rubble.

A spokeswoman for the
centre said: ''The child development centre at
the Barzilai hospital in Ashkelon suffered
a direct hit by a projectile from Gaza,'
while Deputy Director Dr. Gili Givati told
Israeli public radio: 'The development centre was
completely destroyed.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617483/gaza-airstrikes-tent-city-nest-terror.html

[bots]

What does NATO and any country's global political maneuvering have to do with an individual's opinion of a conflict or war in general? What does it have to do with individually "taking a side"? Unless you're suggesting that there's some patriotic necessity for individual opinion - or even mass public approval - to be on the same side as a nation's global political decision-making by default?

They are ENTIRELY separate discussions and, in fact, my opinion on the outcome that would be best for global stability has really nothing at all to do with any moral assessment of how a conflict has started. If Israel doesn't win this conflict and return to relative stability fairly quickly, from a western perspective (which I do indeed selfishly have to take, being a family man living in the west) we're in a very bad situation.

That has no bearing at all on any objective moral right or wrong in the situation.

Hamas is an organisation of religious extremists who have used unthinkable terrorist tactics.

Israel has increasingly become an apartheid borderline fascist state (also packed to the gills with religious ideology/a clear philosophy of supremacy) that has mistreated Palestine abysmally.

Everyone is free to believe differently, if they happen to believe differently, but no one "has to" support either by pretending anything else.

You are too young to have experienced the UK at war. I experienced the Falklands war in my 20's. We all patriotically supported our country as individuals. It's what you do. Your side is picked and if you supported Argentina, you would be a traitor. Sides are pre-ordained depending on political allegiance with other countries. You cannot pretend otherwise

[Denver]

Are you saying this is a lie

An Israeli grandmother was murdered by Hamas terrorists with her killers posting it on her own Facebook account, her family has said.

Describing her as “pure and good”, the unnamed woman’s granddaughter Mor Bayder claimed the horrifying videos were shared publicly on social media, reportedly showing the elderly woman being slaughtered in her own home.

“A terrorist came home to her, killed her, took her phone, filmed the horror and published it on her Facebook wall,” Ms Bayder said. “This is how we found out.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-grandmother-s-murder-posted-on-her-own-facebook-page-by-hamas-terrorists/ar-AA1hZBYW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d878bc8d7b343a59fa7d4610ee631b8&ei=11
Which has nothing to do with what I said, try harder

[arista]

Israel Government and the Opposition Leader
have agreed to form a Temp Government
during this Hamas invasion.


SkyNewsHD Live

[bots]

Cleverly finally earns his salary

1712113847924896093

[arista]

Time for Isreal to enter and clear Gaza of all scum. Save the children from this evil ideology and their future terrorist life.


Hamas leaders
are in Libya or Syria.


So they will not stop this

[user104658]

You are too young to have experienced the UK at war. I experienced the Falklands war in my 20's. We all patriotically supported our country as individuals. It's what you do. Your side is picked and if you supported Argentina, you would be a traitor. Sides are pre-ordained depending on political allegiance with other countries. You cannot pretend otherwise

I would hazard a guess that your experience of the Falklands war, sat down the local with access to three TV channels nearly 40 years ago, might not actually bear any resemblance at all to political attitudes and also might not actually encompass the entire nation at the time.

I would also suggest that the idea that "no one" was objectively discussing the politics behind the Falklands war during the Falklands war is absolute garbage.

And again point out that you don't actually have to "pick either side" in any conflict.

And finally I would point out that ... Britain is not currently at war. So none of this even applies in the slightest to the discussion of a war between Israel and Palestine.

[bots]

there is no point in debating this with you as you are clueless to the realities

[arista]

No British Reporters
in Gaza, but there are a few Arab reporters
supplying BBC/ SkyNews/ ITVnews / CNN


Ref:
BBC Radio4 Media show
whole show on this war.

Like Fake News
was Israel use using white phosphorus bombs,
a Good journalist crossed checked that finding it Fake News


It gets a 2nd play tonight
at 9:30PM on Radio4 28mins

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel now under attack from new front on North
Paraglider and drone. Breaking...

[arista]

Both Sunak and Starmer
wants the BBC to explain why they will not call HAMAS
"Terrorists"

Debate on Radio4 Media show
2nd playing 9:30PM tonight.

[bots]

Israel now under attack from new front on North
Paraglider and drone. Breaking...

The other mob have been firing rockets from Palestine too and some rockets came in from Syria. It's going to expand the moment Israel go in with the ground troops

[Crimson Dynamo]

Both Sunak and Starmer
wants the BBC to explain why they will not call HAMAS
"Terrorists"

Debate on Radio4 Media show
2nd playing 9:30PM tonight.

1712046741439053935?t=G_Jx7bYe30yBE9celd7p8w&s=19

[Cherie]

There is no physical evidence that 250 people were killed out the festival alone

No evidence of rape

No evidence of murdered babies

And the mother of the girl has a complete different story to the IDF


There is also a Jewish woman who was told by Hamas they had no intention of killing her

The IDF are known to lie and I dont trust their statements nor do I trust the statements of Hamas

Which has nothing to do with what I said, try harder

You said there was no evidence, I gave you some, you think Hamas blew up and bulldozed fences, and paraglided terrorists in to kill a hand full of people, please open your eyes and stop being brainwashed with wherever your nonsense is coming from ....ALL media are reporting the horrors, have a read

[Denver]

You said there was no evidence, I gave you some, you think Hamas blew up and bulldozed fences, and paraglided terrorists in to kill a hand full of people, please open your eyes and stop being brainwashed with wherever your nonsense is coming from ....ALL media are reporting the horrors, have a read

I said there was no evidence of certain events which I posted so don't try turn it around to suit your islamaphobic agenda

[arista]

Mohammed Deif

Is the Hamas Head of their Military Wing.

Reported on Part 1 Gravitas WION HD
Sky519


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Deif

[arista]

Denver

CNN HD reported the 260
Murdered by Hamas Military
easy attack on unarmed kids
at that festival on the holy Saturday holiday.

[bots]

I said there was no evidence of certain events which I posted so don't try turn it around to suit your islamaphobic agenda

i think the bodies are the evidence and plenty independent reporters were there to witness that. Or are you saying that is a lie too?

[Cherie]

I said there was no evidence of certain events which I posted so don't try turn it around to suit your islamaphobic agenda

Like I said reported by ALL media....take the blindfolds off..

[The Slim Reaper]

Like I said reported by ALL media....take the blindfolds off..

If we're talking of the 40 babies story, then it was pushed by the IDF. When the IDF were questioned about it, they backed away from the claim. The fact the claim was pushed across all media should be a story about failure to do proper journalism.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll repeat, folks should only really be believing Reuters or AP at the moment because the disinformation is off the scale, including amongst media.

[UserSince2005]

imagine denying 40 babies butual death.

just because israeli are more decent than to parade their childrens bodies for photo opportunities.

Bless their souls.

[Cherie]

Jake Marlow who was a security guard at the festival and a British Citizen has been killed it has now been confirmed.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/british-citizen-missing-after-attack-in-israel-confirmed-dead/ar-AA1i3fNB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a99eba8ef5254e3796ade3eaf63e4c38&ei=38

[arista]

Jake Marlow who was a security guard at the festival and a British Citizen has been killed it has now been confirmed.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/british-citizen-missing-after-attack-in-israel-confirmed-dead/ar-AA1i3fNB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a99eba8ef5254e3796ade3eaf63e4c38&ei=38


Yes Sad News.

[arista]

The New Unity Government of Israel
are working hard to remove Hamas.

But its leaders are not there
so Hamas were elected
it will go on.


Ch4HDnews now there.


1,200 Israeli murdered

[MTVN]

Israel now under attack from new front on North
Paraglider and drone. Breaking...

Looks like this was a false alarm thankfully

[Beso]

I wonder how long until we find out just how dangerous all these illegal immigrants are...

Friday is the day by all accounts.

[MTVN]

I wonder how long until we find out just how dangerous all these illegal immigrants are...

Friday is the day by all accounts.

Why Friday?