The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[arista]

^ not a happy bunch are they :laugh:

at least us remainers looked more cheerful tho we are meant to be the losers


Sure a Angry Bunch
All the MP's long gone
they all went after the Vote
they never work that late on a Friday.

[Twosugars]

so was Tommy Robinson a speaker at that demo? :skull:
not a good idea to mix brexit with far right figures
not a good look

[Twosugars]

Sure a Angry Bunch
All the MP's long gone
they all went after the Vote
they never work that late on a Friday.

no Boris or Moggy?
would they ever pass such a chance at self-promotion? :omgno:

[Liam-]

^ not a happy bunch are they :laugh:

at least us remainers looked more cheerful tho we are meant to be the losers

You wouldn’t be happy if the people in charge were trying to disregard your side if you won either lbr :laugh:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/28/18/11583286-0-image-a-8_1553797409551.jpg

Banksy

[on display at Bristol Museum & Art Gallery in time for March 29 'to mark Brexit day' ]

[Smithy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D212EWIWsAAT6yk.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D213dmUWwAA_hur.jpg

[MP Mark Francois tells Brexit demonstration outside Parliament
“there is a fighting chance that if we hold our nerve in two weeks this country will be free”]
Peston Tweet

So much Gammon in this picture I’ve got cholesterol problems now just from looking at it

[Cherie]

So much Gammon in this picture I’ve got cholesterol problems now just from looking at it

:skull: got a problem with white people have you? lucky for you, your problem isn't with any other race because insults like that wouldn't be acceptable now would they and you would be one of the first screeching about it....hypocrisy of the highest order

[Smithy]

:skull: got a problem with white people have you? lucky for you, your problem isn't with any other race because insults like that wouldn't be acceptable now would they and you would be one of the first screeching about it....hypocrisy of the highest order

I’m white sweetie

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2V53CqX4AEwsC-.jpg


You can demand
all you want.
But as you are not MP's
its a waste of time.


Today in Central London

Looks like more of your 'gammon' there Smithy, but not a word about it :hee:

[Cherie]

I’m white sweetie

I never thought otherwise, its only white people are foolish enough to speak like that

[Twosugars]

You wouldn’t be happy if the people in charge were trying to disregard your side if you won either lbr :laugh:

On such a slim and dubious majority I'd be happy to rerun the ref. In the interest of the country. It's the only way to deal with the division.
I'd expect at least 55% majority in the second ref for the issue to be borderline clear. If remain doesn't get that much I'd be happy to rerun it again in future.

[Twosugars]

Wasn't it Farage who said if it was 52-48 for remain the issue would be far from over? :hehe:

[Vicky.]

Sort of ontopic

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/27/pro-brexit-group-really-regrets-holding-second-referendum-poll-9035987/?fbclid=IwAR2KW7UCBJP8vLTyKajsDUErVBHUOIIQfcwCaxcC h9SdE33o9AqpKIcBP3g

:hehe:

[Liam-]

Wasn't it Farage who said if it was 52-48 for remain the issue would be far from over? :hehe:

Nobody pays attention to that tosser

[user104658]

Honestly look at the protests. A bunch of beer bellied football hooligans waving flags and singing Rule Britania.

Brexit Britain everybody. Depressing as *******.

[Twosugars]

Looks like more of your 'gammon' there Smithy, but not a word about it :hee:

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

[Livia]

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

How is this allowed? I got an infraction for saying one of the BB housemates looked like a redneck.

[Twosugars]

How is this allowed? I got an infraction for saying one of the BB housemates looked like a redneck.

I gave a definition of the term. Is that illegal now?

[Vanessa]

Fgs, these mps can't agree on anything. :facepalm:

[Twosugars]

an interesting piece on Ch4 News about links between Fishing for Leave (pro Brexit group) and far right Storm Front.

[The Slim Reaper]

an interesting piece on Ch4 News about links between Fishing for Leave (pro Brexit group) and far right Storm Front.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D218g3tWoAAaS0f.jpg

Generation Identity flags today, another far right group that the Christchurch murderer donated $1500 to.

[joeysteele]

Honestly, I wish they'd supported this today.
Although unfortunately this PM has lost trust from near all corners of Parliament.

Another referendum.
I'd be worried about that, I can only see problems with that no matter the result.

At present, a General election would likely bring about another hung Parliament.
Or a very narrow win either way for Conservative or Labour.

A big compromise is what is likely needed, the problem here is, what's always been the case, this PM seems unable to even understand what compromise is, never mind encourage and bring it about.

A new Conservative leader and PM is needed, NOW.
This PM should be made to go now and yes, for me any new elected Conservative leader, take over this issue that has been pathetically handled by a total incompetent.

No one now in my view, could be or do worse than Theresa May has.

[Beso]

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

What's a crusty?

[James]

This is the deal they keep rejecting. If there is going to be a softer Brexit they basically have to agree to Withdrawal agreement part of it.

It only makes sense to reject it if the ambition is another referendum (still unlikely there is a majority in parliament for that, and they would have to decide what the options on it were) or leaving without a deal (and that was defeated by 400 to 160 in the previous votes).

So if the compromise between leavers and remainers is soft Brexit they have to vote for this part of the deal.


Brexit: What deal did MPs reject?
By Tom Edgington
BBC Reality Check
5 hours ago



MPs have rejected Theresa May's Brexit deal for a third time. The government lost by 344 votes to 286, a majority of 58.

But on this occasion there was a key difference: MPs only voted on the withdrawal agreement and not the political declaration. Previously, both of these were voted on and rejected.

So, what are they?

Withdrawal agreement

This is the deal the UK government negotiated with the European Union, over 18 months, and it sets out the terms of the UK's departure from the EU.

First published in November, it is almost 600 pages long and some of the key areas it covers are:

The transition

Under the withdrawal agreement, the UK would enter into a 21-month transition period with the EU after Brexit.

During this time the UK would continue to follow EU rules and remain in the single market and customs union to allow frictionless trade to continue. The UK would also lose membership of EU institutions.

The transition period could be extended, but only for a period of one or two years.

Money

This is known as "the divorce bill" - the amount of money the UK would need to pay the EU to settle its obligations.

Although no figure appears in the document, it is expected that the UK would pay at least £39bn over a number of years.

The Irish backstop

The most controversial part of the withdrawal agreement is the Irish backstop, which has proved to be the main reason it cannot command a majority in Parliament.


The backstop is the insurance policy designed to prevent a hard border in Ireland after Brexit. It would kick in at the end of the transition period in the event that a comprehensive trade deal, that avoids the needs for checks at the Irish border, is not reached between the UK and EU.

The terms of the backstop would effectively place the UK into a temporary customs union with the EU. Critics worry that the UK could find itself trapped in this arrangement for years, leaving it unable to pursue its own independent trade policy (signing trade deals with countries like the US).

Citizens' rights

During the transition period, UK citizens in the EU, and EU citizens in the UK, would retain their residency and welfare rights after Brexit.

The withdrawal agreement also allows citizens who take up residency in another EU country during the transition period (including the UK, of course) to be allowed to stay in that country after the transition.



Political declaration



The political declaration - also published in November - is all about the future relationship between the UK and the EU, after Brexit.

This document is far shorter (just 26 pages) and, unlike the withdrawal agreement, it is not legally binding.

Some of the keys areas it covers are:

Trade

The document calls on the trading relationship to be "as close as possible" and says there would be an "ambitious, wide-ranging and balanced" economic partnership. But it does not a set out what the final outcome for UK-EU trade will look like.

Customs

The political declaration refers to an "ambitious customs arrangement". The concern, from some, is that this could turn into a permanent arrangement that could prevent the UK from pursuing its own independent trade policy.

The government dismisses this concern, and argues that there is nothing wrong in wanting ambitious customs arrangements in the future.

Irish border

Technology and other alterative arrangements would be considered in order to keep the Irish border open with no physical infrastructure (eg border posts). However, presently, there is no border which the EU shares with a non-EU country that is entirely open and frictionless.

Freedom of movement

The UK, according to the document, would take back control of its borders and free movement of EU citizens to the UK (and UK citizens to the EU) would come to an end.

The document says both sides want to preserve visa-free travel for short-term visits (don't worry about your holidays) but it suggests by implication that visas could be introduced for longer stays.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47745831

[Sticks]

Since they won't and that was the last chance

Hard Brexit with No Deal hear we come :colour:

Altogether now...

[Cherie]

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

Last time I looked just like remain, the leave campaign has a cross section of society, not just right wingers, someone put it really well today I thought, parts of Northern England who voted out haven't done so well economically as their Southern counterparts, so many are just worried about their jobs, if they have one... some are not bothered about right wing political views so this type of labelling is not very helpful and is incredibly childish imo

[Twosugars]

Last time I looked just like remain, the leave campaign has a cross section of society, not just right wingers, someone put it really well today I thought, parts of Northern England who voted out haven't done so well economically as their Southern counterparts, so many are just worried about their jobs, if they have one... some are not bothered about right wing political views so this type of labelling is not very helpful and is incredibly childish imo
as is snowflake :shrug:
don't see you objecting to that :think:

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D218g3tWoAAaS0f.jpg

Generation Identity flags today, another far right group that the Christchurch murderer donated $1500 to.

Interesting

[Liam-]

Voting leave and supporting Brexit doesn’t make you right wing, it’s a very lazy stereotype that needs to be abandoned

[Cherie]

as is snowflake :shrug:
don't see you objecting to that :think:

what has the term snowflake got to do with Brexit?

[Cherie]

Voting leave and supporting Brexit doesn’t make you right wing, it’s a very lazy stereotype that needs to be abandoned

Exactly and I say that as a remainer of which sometimes I am embarrassed because of some of the opinions it is associated with

[Smithy]

How is this allowed? I got an infraction for saying one of the BB housemates looked like a redneck.

Probably in the same manner that words like remoaner and snowflake are thrown around and allowed

[user104658]

Voting leave and supporting Brexit doesn’t make you right wing, it’s a very lazy stereotype that needs to be abandoned

No but to put it the other way around; I would be very, very surprised if many on the hard right voted Remain.

[Withano]

Voting leave and supporting Brexit doesn’t make you right wing, it’s a very lazy stereotype that needs to be abandoned

True, it just makes you stupid

[Twosugars]

Voting leave and supporting Brexit doesn’t make you right wing, it’s a very lazy stereotype that needs to be abandoned
No it doesn't mean all leavers are right wing.
But it doesn't help all right wingers are brexiters.
And it doesn't help you have far right people jumping on your bandwagon.
It's up to the Leave campaigns (there's more than one I believe) to make sure it doesn't happen, not up to remainers.
The fact that Farage was on the Thames on the boat belonging to Fishing for Leave who have far right people as members or the fact that there were far right flags on today's demo shows staggering lack of judgement to say the least.

[Twosugars]

what has the term snowflake got to do with Brexit?
You're missing the point.
You can't expect your outrage at using the term gammon will be taken seriously if you don't object when liberals are called snowflakes.
Either you disprove of such terms every time or you don't.

[Liam-]

True, it just makes you stupid

Also false but sure, you carry on being offensive because people don’t agree with you

[James]

The people that go on marches are the ones who are dogmatic and absolutist about an issue. Their not a representation of where public opinion is at.

[Wizard.]

The people that go on marches are the ones who are dogmatic and absolutist about an issue. Their not a representation of where public opinion is at.

Agreed. And funny they’re always in London, don’t see anyone that would travel just to attend these marches.

[Twosugars]

Agreed. And funny they’re always in London, don’t see anyone that would travel just to attend these marches.
That's not true.
Last week, the remain march had loads of people from all over the UK. They said 20 coaches came from Scotland alone.
I'd imagine leave march today had also loads of people from outside of London.

[AnnieK]

Agreed. And funny they’re always in London, don’t see anyone that would travel just to attend these marches.

The Leave March started in Sunderland

[lime]

Honestly, I wish they'd supported this today.
Although unfortunately this PM has lost trust from near all corners of Parliament.

Another referendum.
I'd be worried about that, I can only see problems with that no matter the result.

At present, a General election would likely bring about another hung Parliament.
Or a very narrow win either way for Conservative or Labour.

A big compromise is what is likely needed, the problem here is, what's always been the case, this PM seems unable to even understand what compromise is, never mind encourage and bring it about.

A new Conservative leader and PM is needed, NOW.
This PM should be made to go now and yes, for me any new elected Conservative leader, take over this issue that has been pathetically handled by a total incompetent.

No one now in my view, could be or do worse than Theresa May has.

that's BS Joey in the EU.To us in the EU a GE is waisting everyone's time.

Corbyn is piss poor.The man can simply not think on his feet...during PMQ's he asks a Q from a script...He doesn't even challlenge her answer...head down...what does my script tell me next.
I am no fan of May but I think it is very easy for those on the sidelines ie Labour ,DUP,ERG to sling mud from the sidelines...Labour under Corbyn is party first not country...He wants his feet under the table in 10 downing St....just like the ERG..Not someone the EU can deal with

[Twosugars]

No hatred from me, I like you Alf

[bots]

When we have had a referendum and know that approx 17 million people support either side, when parliament also reflects that position, what on earth is the point in a March :laugh:

[Nicky91]

EU are already prepared at no deal brexit, we stand strong together as one, our United EU

also ready to demolish that harder border at northern ireland/ireland

[bots]

Theresa May and her cabinet are looking for ways to bring her EU withdrawal agreement back to the Commons for a fourth attempt at winning MPs' backing.

The PM said the UK would need "an alternative way forward" after her plan was defeated by 58 votes on Friday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47756122

:joker:

[arista]

Exciting, isn't it?


We're leaving without a deal
We're leaving without a deal
Ee aye addio, we're leaving without a deal


Except New EU Summit
10th of April
2 day before are mean't to go.

[joeysteele]

I just cannot believe she could even contemplate bringing this back for a 4th time.
Had any other PM in a Labour or even Lab/Lib coalition been going on like this.
The media and press and other Parties supporters would be very rightly demanding at least that farcical PM was out and would tear that government to bits.

Labour, LibDems, SNP, PC, Green most of this independent group and the DUP are all against and voting against this deal.
Along with still around 25 Conservative MPs.

She's fortunate Sinn Fein aren't there with their 7 MPs.

Yet still this dangerously stubborn PM can even consider bringing this back.

She has made the biggest farcical laughing stock of Parliament.
She has no one else.

This is ridiculous.
How she is now even allowed to continue is beyond me.

What has happened to the Conservative party.
They elected Ian Duncan Smith as leader, in the 2000s, he performed so weak and badly, they got rid of him even before he had the chance to fight a general election.

This PM, has turned Parliament into a pantomime, not a pleasant one however.
Really, I think she is dangerously deluded.
It's totally ridiculous.

[Nicky91]

Exciting, isn't it?


We're leaving without a deal
We're leaving without a deal
Ee aye addio, we're leaving without a deal

yes we in the EU will make sure you guys haven't got a peaceful exit from EU, that and gossiping behind uk's backs at future eu summits :)

[arista]

"I just cannot believe she could even contemplate bringing this back for a 4th time."


Vote for a 2nd vote comes back on Monday
also for a 4th time , though.

[arista]

[Remain Conservative MP Dominic Grieve
suffers no confidence vote
Colleagues of the Conservative MP
and former minister have branded
the vote in his constituency as "disgraceful".]

Last night.

https://news.sky.com/story/remain-mp-dominic-grieve-suffers-no-confidence-vote-11678841

[Cherie]

You're missing the point.
You can't expect your outrage at using the term gammon will be taken seriously if you don't object when liberals are called snowflakes.
Either you disprove of such terms every time or you don't.

I am not missing the point, snowflake is levied on both sides,

Remoaner covers all those who voted remain, Gammon refers to pink? so can only refer to white people who voted leave, what about the people of colour who voted leave, do you have a name for them? No one minds a name, its just a name at the end of the day, but if you are going to apply a name, ensure it covers everyone unless you are saying only white people voted leave which is clearly untrue

[Cherie]

Theresa May and her cabinet are looking for ways to bring her EU withdrawal agreement back to the Commons for a fourth attempt at winning MPs' backing.

The PM said the UK would need "an alternative way forward" after her plan was defeated by 58 votes on Friday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47756122

:joker:

A referendum on the final deal as part of the agreement maybe?

[arista]

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[Niamh.]

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[lime]

I just cannot believe she could even contemplate bringing this back for a 4th time.
Had any other PM in a Labour or even Lab/Lib coalition been going on like this.
The media and press and other Parties supporters would be very rightly demanding at least that farcical PM was out and would tear that government to bits.

Labour, LibDems, SNP, PC, Green most of this independent group and the DUP are all against and voting against this deal.
Along with still around 25 Conservative MPs.

She's fortunate Sinn Fein aren't there with their 7 MPs.

Yet still this dangerously stubborn PM can even consider bringing this back.

She has made the biggest farcical laughing stock of Parliament.
She has no one else.

This is ridiculous.
How she is now even allowed to continue is beyond me.

What has happened to the Conservative party.
They elected Ian Duncan Smith as leader, in the 2000s, he performed so weak and badly, they got rid of him even before he had the chance to fight a general election.

This PM, has turned Parliament into a pantomime, not a pleasant one however.
Really, I think she is dangerously deluded.
It's totally ridiculous.
let me tell you Joey ..the whole parliment let us in Ireland down..Corbyn is no friend of Ireland...Shame on him thinking that a election would put him in 10 Downing Street....if that is what he wants let him have it...Fok the GFA..



The conservitave are akin to Corbyn..

Let the people speak now they now the facts

[lime]

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:joker::joker:

[lime]

It's Theresa dont listen to parliment to hear what we want..

8 votes later they still can't agree...but it's still May's fault?

[joeysteele]

"I just cannot believe she could even contemplate bringing this back for a 4th time."


Vote for a 2nd vote comes back on Monday
also for a 4th time , though.



Yes arista.
However the indicative votes are to try to find a policy.

This agreement she has had voted on 3 times now is her policy.
Which has been roundly defeated 3 times too.

Big difference, in my book anyway.

[arista]

Yes arista.
However the indicative votes are to try to find a policy.

This agreement she has had voted on 3 times now is her policy.
Which has been roundly defeated 3 times too.

Big difference, in my book anyway.



Yes the PM has said the 4th time
will be the last..........................

[joeysteele]

Yes the PM has said the 4th time
will be the last..........................

This was supposed to be the last time.

Its a farce.
The media would be crucifying any other PM of any other party for this circus she is presiding over.

[Cherie]

[emoji102]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/3ed791acd30e7fd2ba1c05813fb60733.jpg

:joker:

[arista]

This was supposed to be the last time.

Its a farce.
The media would be crucifying any other PM of any other party for this circus she is presiding over.


Yes its the Brexit Chains
hanging on her neck

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/maytoon10.jpg

[Vicky.]

OK yeah, at this stage, I have to conclude May is just taking the piss on purpose, asking for the same vote for a 4th time man, bloody ridiculous. Wonder if shes splashing the cash and that round to try and get more to turn her way too. Its..pathetic the way the lot of them are going on.

[Vicky.]

[emoji102]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/3ed791acd30e7fd2ba1c05813fb60733.jpg

:D

[Nicky91]

well britain won eurovision with making your mind up so no surprise if they will make their minds up about brexit :laugh:

[user104658]

"Can we have a second Brexit ref?"

Theresa May: "NO! Undemocratic."

"Can Scotland have a second Indy ref?"

Theresa May: "NO! Unthinkable."

..

Theresa May: "So, we're gonna have a 4th run at this vote on my deal and..."

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Cherie]

"Can we have a second Brexit ref?"

Theresa May: "NO! Undemocratic."

"Can Scotland have a second Indy ref?"

Theresa May: "NO! Unthinkable."

..

Theresa May: "So, we're gonna have a 4th run at this vote on my deal and..."



This is the killer isn't it, the people have VOTED.... but the MPs can vote again and again and again on the same thing

[user104658]

1111920592515747840I'm sure he regrets it anyway because he stupidly thought it wouldn't happen... However I imagine he mainly thinks "lol quitting was a good plan".

History will lay this shambles on May and largely forget that none of it had to happen at all.

[Jack_]

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A tweet has never aged better than this

[Matthew.]

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A tweet has never aged better than this

:joker:

[Jack_]

I’ll take chaos with Ed Miliband please!

[user104658]

I’ll take chaos with Ed Miliband please!The real irony is that an Ed Milliband government would probably have been mostly boring and uneventful :think:.

[Twosugars]

David Milliband was far more electable.
But the bigger tragedy was that Khan or somebody put Corbyn forward for a leader only out of pity.

[lime]

Yes arista.
However the indicative votes are to try to find a policy.

This agreement she has had voted on 3 times now is her policy.
Which has been roundly defeated 3 times too.

Big difference, in my book anyway.

I'm going to hazzard a guess your book does not include Irealnd .....Just corbyn.

[arista]

"Can we have a second Brexit ref?"

Theresa May: "NO! Undemocratic."

"Can Scotland have a second Indy ref?"

Theresa May: "NO! Unthinkable."

..

Theresa May: "So, we're gonna have a 4th run at this vote on my deal and..."

Yes but this time she will only enter it
with the right number of votes,
its not hard to work out.................................

They can count out MP Mark Francois
who stated even with a Shotgun in his mouth
he will not vote for her Treaty Deal.

[arista]

I’ll take chaos with Ed Miliband please!

But he could Never Win
as so many NON VOTERS
(folks that never voted in General Elections)
jumped at Dave's Referendum
To be PM


In Or Out
Shake It all about............................

And This
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/David-Cameron-bacon-sandwich-Ed-Miliband-568935.jpg

[user104658]

Utter Bollocks
Paxman Destroyed him
Live on SkyNewsHD-Ch4HDnews joint broadcast

And This
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/David-Cameron-bacon-sandwich-Ed-Miliband-568935.jpgDavid Milliband.

[arista]

David Milliband.

https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48338000/jpg/_48338601_milliband_banana_uppa_224.jpg

[arista]

David Milliband.


Yes I made a mistake
so easy to forget David
now he works in NYC.

[joeysteele]

I'm going to hazzard a guess your book does not include Irealnd .....Just corbyn.

Every single Party in Parliament has voted 3 times against this agreement.
All of them,even the vast bulk of the now Independent MPs too.
Even still with 25 of Conservative MPs on board as well.

Nothing to do with Corbyn or Labour only.

[Sticks]

Labour opportunism to inflict a defeat on the government, no matter what the issue.

Don't forget, St Jeremy came in to the House of Commons first in 1983 when the manifesto pledge was for Labour was to take us out of Europe. Now in 2019 St Jeremy has marshalled his Praetorian Guard to ensure Labour votes for the UK to Leave with No Deal in a Hard Brexit

A No Deal Hard Brexit is what is due to happen on 12 April and we will all enter the new golden age of prosperity, just like that nice man Farage and Boris have promised

£350m a week for the NHS

[Twosugars]

https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48338000/jpg/_48338601_milliband_banana_uppa_224.jpg

I would

[Northern Monkey]

We could only dream of clumsy fecker Ed Milliband now.
If only we’d known the state Labour would be in now i’d vote for Ed in a heartbeat.

He could’nt even eat some pig without getting abuse for it but Cameron could literally abuse one and all was forgiven.

[Cherie]

Has anyone heard how the money saved if the UK no longer pays into the EU will be spent, I don't think its been mentioned since the day after the referendum, I am expecting a little windfall in my paypacket :flutter:

[Northern Monkey]

Has anyone heard how the money saved if the UK no longer pays into the EU will be spent, I don't think its been mentioned since the day after the referendum, I am expecting a little windfall in my paypacket :flutter:

Well we have to give £39 large ones back to them if May’s surrender deal goes through next week.

[Cherie]

But he could Never Win
as so many NON VOTERS
(folks that never voted in General Elections)
jumped at Dave's Referendum
To be PM


In Or Out
Shake It all about............................

And This
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/David-Cameron-bacon-sandwich-Ed-Miliband-568935.jpg

why do politicians think anyone wants to see them gobbling their grub, next it will be pictures in the bath to show how normal they are :joker:

[Sticks]

Cameron was / is a coward, plain and simple

When John Major was plagued by the right wing, he stood up to them and even challenged them to run against him as part leader. Only John Redwood took up this opportunity and was soundly beaten by John Major

In the Maastrict Treaty ratification, to get it through John Major went nuclear and triggered a confidence vote along side it to force them into line.

John Major is so much maligned, but he was a better and nicer man than the last two conservative leaders. John even attacked the Cameron government in 2013/4 for elitism.

Dave on the other hand put the referendum pledge in the 2015 manifesto as a sop to the right wing, instead of standing up to them. When the folly of that decision came to fruition on 23 June 2016, instead of staying around to clean up his mess and manage the morass he had wrought on the country, he ran off leaving May to pick up the pieces.

What a coward !!! :mad:

John Major was a hero...

[Northern Monkey]

why do politicians think anyone wants to see them gobbling their grub, next it will be pictures in the bath to show how normal they are :joker:

‘Look everyone i’m human,I eat!’

‘Now who wants to watch me take a sh1t?’

[Cherie]

Cameron was / is a coward, plain and simple

When John Major was plagued by the right wing, he stood up to them and even challenged them to run against him as part leader. Only John Redwood took up this opportunity and was soundly beaten by John Major

In the Maastrict Treaty ratification, to get it through John Major went nuclear and triggered a confidence vote along side it to force them into line.

John Major is so much maligned, but he was a better and nicer man than the last two conservative leaders. John even attacked the Cameron government in 2013/4 for elitism.

Dave on the other hand put the referendum pledge in the 2015 manifesto as a sop to the right wing, instead of standing up to them. When the folly of that decision came to fruition on 23 June 2016, instead of staying around to clean up his mess and manage the morass he had wrought on the country, he ran off leaving May to pick up the pieces.

What a coward !!! :mad:

John Major was a hero...

I did like John Major so we can agree on that

[Twosugars]

Cameron was / is a coward, plain and simple

When John Major was plagued by the right wing, he stood up to them and even challenged them to run against him as part leader. Only John Redwood took up this opportunity and was soundly beaten by John Major

In the Maastrict Treaty ratification, to get it through John Major went nuclear and triggered a confidence vote along side it to force them into line.

John Major is so much maligned, but he was a better and nicer man than the last two conservative leaders. John even attacked the Cameron government in 2013/4 for elitism.

Dave on the other hand put the referendum pledge in the 2015 manifesto as a sop to the right wing, instead of standing up to them. When the folly of that decision came to fruition on 23 June 2016, instead of staying around to clean up his mess and manage the morass he had wrought on the country, he ran off leaving May to pick up the pieces.

What a coward !!! :mad:

John Major was a hero...

Agree, Sticks. Major was a very decent PM and is a guy of principles.He is unfairly underrated.

[arista]

UK 'top of the queue' for post-Brexit trade deal.


https://news.sky.com/story/uk-top-of-the-queue-for-post-brexit-trade-deal-says-trump-adviser-john-bolton-11678765


Yes Unlike that Former President
that David Cameron dragged in.
And gave him a Script to to speak.
Pathetic move back in 2016.

[arista]

Farage and Campbell
both on LBC Live Radio.

[bots]

Speaking on Sky News, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said under a Labour government it was "likely" that the UK would leave the European Union.

likely is not the same as will

[arista]

Speaking on Sky News, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said under a Labour government it was "likely" that the UK would leave the European Union.

likely is not the same as will


Yes I watched that,
Labour is Split like the Conservatives
Terrible mess

[Cherie]

UK 'top of the queue' for post-Brexit trade deal.


https://news.sky.com/story/uk-top-of-the-queue-for-post-brexit-trade-deal-says-trump-adviser-john-bolton-11678765

Yay...top of the queue for dodgy meat and veg...and dismantling the NHS bed by bed ...get ready to buy your medical insurance

[arista]

Yay...top of the queue for dodgy meat and veg...and dismantling the NHS bed by bed ...get ready to buy your medical insurance


No We are not going that far.

[Twosugars]

No We are not going that far.

I'd not trust a Tory government with that. That's the whole point.

[bots]

Yay...top of the queue for dodgy meat and veg...and dismantling the NHS bed by bed ...get ready to buy your medical insurance

The NHS is ****ed one way or another. It was a great concept, but given it's massive success, it has made itself unviable in the long term. It's unsustainable. We can watch it die slowly over the next 20 or so years or we can modernize it's concept, that's the reality

[Cherie]

The NHS is ****ed one way or another. It was a great concept, but given it's massive success, it has made itself unviable in the long term. It's unsustainable. We can watch it die slowly over the next 20 or so years or we can modernize it's concept, that's the reality

Not necessarily, with proper funding and management it is sustainable, the problem with the NHS is that their are too many Chiefs and not enough Indians and it needs a complete overall with how its run and funded

[arista]

I'd not trust a Tory government with that. That's the whole point.

I can understand that............

[Sticks]

The expectation is that with the help of the Labour Party it will be a No Deal Brexit on 12 April.

The Labour Party, in spite of what they bluster are 100% in favour of a Hard No Deal Brexit

This is because St Jeremy wants it, as he wants to enact the 1983 Labour Party manifesto to leave the EEC, (with No Deal??), when he entered the House of Commons

hh4yh95N4Jg

[Twosugars]

Article 50 petition to cancel Brexit passes 6m signatures

[Livia]

I would

You would NOT!

[Livia]

Article 50 petition to cancel Brexit passes 6m signatures

Six million signatures calling to cancel the result of the biggest democratic vote in UK history. And I'd like a proper recount on the 6m to ensure they're all eligible to vote in the UK.

[arista]

The expectation is that with the help of the Labour Party it will be a No Deal Brexit on 12 April.

The Labour Party, in spite of what they bluster are 100% in favour of a Hard No Deal Brexit

This is because St Jeremy wants it, as he wants to enact the 1983 Labour Party manifesto to leave the EEC, (with No Deal??), when he entered the House of Commons

hh4yh95N4Jg


Only a few Labour MP's
would have No Deal in 2019.

All the rest Half Conservatives / Most of Labour
and All of SNP and others are 100% Blocking No Deal.


The PM is now refusing a No Deal option.

So April the 12th
is fecked, as well.

[Sticks]

They can all vote for the Moon to be made of Purple Cheese, that would be a more meaningful vote

We are leaving on 12 April with no deal by default, END OF

[Livia]

I hope we do leave on 12th April. And then I never want to hear the word "Brexit", ever again.

[arista]

They can all vote for the Moon to be made of Purple Cheese, that would be a more meaningful vote

We are leaving on 12 April with no deal by default, END OF


Sadly our Pathetic PM
goes to EU Special Summit
on April the 10th Wednesday
for a Crazy Extension again

[Sticks]

I thought they were meeting to shore up their no deal plans and to tell the UK it can stew in it's own juice

[bots]

with them meeting on the 10th, if we are looking for a further extension, that would be when we request it. There are still loads of possible alternatives at this point, albeit too close to the deadline for comfort

[Northern Monkey]

Six million signatures calling to cancel the result of the biggest democratic vote in UK history. And I'd like a proper recount on the 6m to ensure they're all eligible to vote in the UK.

They’re not.
I’ve read of people getting their kids to sign it and creating email accounts for newborns to sign.Not to mention foreigners finding ways to sign.

[bots]

i don't see how signing an on line petition is a stronger message than the many more millions that put crosses on a ballot paper

[smudgie]

If all the members of parliament simply voted for what their individual constituencies voted for then it would be so much more straight forward....and honest.:shrug:

[AnnieK]

I hope we do leave on 12th April. And then I never want to hear the word "Brexit", ever again.

I'm almost at that point too and I am firmly in the Remain camp :laugh:

[arista]

If all the members of parliament simply voted for what their individual constituencies voted for then it would be so much more straight forward....and honest.:shrug:


Yes that's the Real Democracy - we do not have



smudgie
Bang On Right

[Withano]

I hope we do leave on 12th April. And then I never want to hear the word "Brexit", ever again.

Itll be replaced with Brejoin

[arista]

Itll be replaced with Brejoin


No that would be Corrupt
The PM's head is on the table
she must do something.


Both SNP and Labour
Demand a Election.
They would have to join to take power
most experts say

[user104658]

No that would be Corrupt

The PM's head is on the table

she must do something.





Both SNP and Labour

Demand a Election.

They would have to join to take power

most experts sayI think given the current circumstances the SNP may well consider a one-term coalition with Labour, if doing so would result in a majority government.

Possibly with the caveat being a second indy referendum at the end of that term.

[arista]

I think given the current circumstances the SNP may well consider a one-term coalition with Labour, if doing so would result in a majority government.

Possibly with the caveat being a second indy referendum at the end of that term.


No
they would be Lucky to be in Power.
Their own wishes are not for us , now
at this time.

[Sticks]

I think given the current circumstances the SNP may well consider a one-term coalition with Labour, if doing so would result in a majority government.


No chance, Labour always refuse to work with any other political party and always have. They always stand a candidate in every constituency, even when that splits the opposition vote and lets the Conservatives in.

Anyway this is all moot

We're Leaving without a deal etc...

[Twosugars]

Yes that's the Real Democracy - we do not have



smudgie
Bang On Right
.
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
David Davis MP in a speech, 19 November 2012

[arista]

No chance, Labour always refuse to work with any other political party and always have. They always stand a candidate in every constituency, even when that splits the opposition vote and lets the Conservatives in.

Anyway this is all moot

We're Leaving without a deal etc...


But if they do not Join with SNP
No Power.....................

Its not the same now
SNP and Labour talk alot

[Sticks]

But if they do not Join with SNP
No Power.....................

Its not the same now
SNP and Labour talk alot

They don't need to they will do it all by themselves, "No pacts, No Deals" to quote Neil Kinnock

Labour will do it on their own, so they keep telling us.

Working with other parties?

NEVER
Never
NEVER!!!!!

Now where else have we heard that one...

[Sticks]

When are we having a referendum on leaving the United Nations?

[Cherie]

The Torys would be crazy to go for a GE at this point, if they want to keep their jobs it's Mays deal or a peoples vote

[Twosugars]

When are we having a referendum on leaving the United Nations?

:laugh:

maybe it will be in the next tory manifesto?

[Cherie]

I can see the Monster Raving Looney party doing very well at the next GE

[Sticks]

I can see the Monster Raving Looney party doing very well at the next GE

Quite possibly, but I am not sure who the leader of UKIP is now

[Cherie]

I thought they were in power now.

:joker:

[Cherie]

Quite possibly, but I am not sure who the leader of UKIP is now

:joker:

[arista]

Quite possibly, but I am not sure who the leader of UKIP is now

Gerard Batten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Batten

[arista]

"They don't need to they will do it all by themselves, "No pacts, No Deals" to quote Neil Kinnock"

Sure Sticks
"But Times have Changed"

[user104658]

They don't need to they will do it all by themselves, "No pacts, No Deals" to quote Neil Kinnock



Labour will do it on their own, so they keep telling us.



Working with other parties?



NEVER

Never

NEVER!!!!!



Now where else have we heard that one...The Tories tore up the rule book by entering into an agreement with the DUP though. The main argument was always that the Scottish / Irish / Welsh parties shouldn't prop up a party in Westminster but :shrug:. That Pandora's box was opened in 2017.

[arista]

The Torys would be crazy to go for a GE at this point, if they want to keep their jobs it's Mays deal or a peoples vote


Sure Crazy
but all those Indie MP's
11 of them could get washed away.

And in Scotland could SNP expand?
Those Conservatives that got in (2017 General Election)
up there, as those voters were fed up with the SNP
but HATED Scottish Labour
so went Conservative.

[Twosugars]

Wish SNP run here. The only party with integrity left.

[arista]

There saying the Todays Votes are going to come
around 7PM onwards

[Northern Monkey]

There may be a GE if this Common Market 2.0 option gets passed as the most desirable option in Parliament.That is being touted as popular atm.May would not accept it as PM.

It would not be leaving.
We would still be in the Single Market,Have to accept freedom of movement,still have to pay in,still have to follow EU regulation and all without having a say.
We’d also have to be in a customs union because of the Irish border issue.No trade deals.

Honestly we’re better off remaining than that.

If we’re going to Brexit then i’d say Theresa May’s deal is the minimum we can accept that means we actually leave.

[reece(:]

The cabinet are being made to abstain again :joker:

Make these free votes or else WHAT IS THE POINT?

[arista]

The cabinet are being made to abstain again :joker:

Make these free votes or else WHAT IS THE POINT?


For Sure reece

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3EVbHLWwAAatew.png

This won't last

[arista]

16:55

Speaker selects four motions for this afternoon

C - Ken Clarke - Customs Union

D - Nick Boles - Common Market 2.0

E - Kyle - Confirmatory public vote

G - Joanna Cherry - Parliamentary Supremacy

[Northern Monkey]

16:55

Speaker selects four motions for this afternoon

C - Ken Clarke

D - Nick Boles

E - Kyle

G - Joanna Cherry

Do we know what each one is yet?

[arista]

Do we know what each one is yet?



I have just added it.

More Data:


What do these motions mean?

[Motion C, brought by Ken Clarke (Conservative): Customs Union This would mean a softer Brexit, with the withdrawal agreement including a customs union with the EU.

Motion D, brought by Nick Boles (Conservative): Common Market 2.0
This puts forward a Norway-style relationship with the EU, which would mean rejoining the European Free Trade Association
and European Economic Area. The UK would stay in the single market and freedom of movement would continue.

Motion E, brought by Peter Kyle (Labour), is a Confirmatory public vote. This would mean any deal must be
put to the people in a confirmatory second referendum - often called a people's vote.

Motion G, brought by Joanna Cherry (SNP), is Parliamentary Supremacy. This asks the government to seek a further extension
if a deal isn't agreed two days before #Brexit. If the EU doesn't accept, MPs will vote between a no-deal Brexit or revoking Article 50.]


https://news.sky.com/story/live-mps-try-to-narrow-down-alternative-brexit-options-to-break-impasse-11681453

[Sticks]

Still predicting Leaving without a deal in a hard Brexit.

[Northern Monkey]

I have just added it.

More Data:


What do these motions mean?

[Motion C, brought by Ken Clarke: Customs Union This would mean a softer Brexit, with the withdrawal agreement including a customs union with the EU.

Motion D, brought by Nick Boles: Common Market 2.0
This puts forward a Norway-style relationship with the EU, which would mean rejoining the European Free Trade Association
and European Economic Area. The UK would stay in the single market and freedom of movement would continue.

Motion E, brought by Peter Kyle, is a Confirmatory public vote. This would mean any deal must be
put to the people in a confirmatory second referendum - often called a people's vote.

Motion G, brought by Joanna Cherry, is Parliamentary Supremacy. This asks the government to seek a further extension
if a deal isn't agreed two days before #Brexit. If the EU doesn't accept, MPs will vote between a no-deal Brexit or revoking Article 50.]


https://news.sky.com/story/live-mps-try-to-narrow-down-alternative-brexit-options-to-break-impasse-11681453
We would be lost without you. :thumbs:

[arista]

[There are seven half naked climate change protesters in the Commons gallery]

Reporter Ross Kempsell says.

1112757789024239622

[Rob!]

Still predicting Leaving without a deal in a hard Brexit.

Your song is going to look even more stupid when that doesn’t happen.

[Sticks]

Your song is going to look even more stupid when that doesn’t happen.

I predicted the result of the referendum and Trump's victory in 2016

[reece(:]

1112746689960513539

[Sticks]

The expectation from the Today Programme that just like last week, every option being voted on will be voted down.

There is only one option that will happen

No Deal Hard Brexit

Then we will all be rich and it will be a golden age of prosperity

All the EU nationals will be deported, because they will have no rights here, as there would have been in the defeated withdrawal agreement, but never mind all the jobs will be snapped up by British workers, just like that nice Mr Farage has promised. (In August on Fox News he was so angry that these EU immigrants were to be allowed to stay here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOT9d1KRugI&t=90s))

Golden age of prosperity for all after we come out on 12 April unsullied by any deal whatsoever just as the Brexiteers are promising us...

[reece(:]

Sammy Wilson speaking in parliament now saying the DUP would not back a customs union because the people voted to leave

Didn't the people of Northern Ireland vote to remain?

FOOL!

[reece(:]

All the EU nationals will be deported, because they will have no rights here


This is a deplorable way of thought

[Sticks]

This is a deplorable way of thought

Well the rights for EU nationals were in the withdrawal agreement that Parliament rejected.

Then there is what Mr Farage said on Fox news...

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3Fqk6NWwAAD25r.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3FtEpVXcAA-_Xg.png

[reece(:]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3FtEpVXcAA-_Xg.png

All Failed again.

But the result is 10pm?

[arista]

But the result is 10pm?


Its a Projection.
Sorry

[arista]

1112790553723322368

[reece(:]

C, D and E would still have all done far better than May's deal

[bots]

All no :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Where’s Sticks with his song?

[reece(:]

Nick Boles?! :o

[bots]

Nick Boles?! :o

threw his toys out the pram

[Smithy]

A joke

[reece(:]

C, D and E would still have all done far better than May's deal
Still tea though

[Scarlett.]

I said
a heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyeahyeahyeah
I said
a heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyeahyeahyeah
I said hey
WHATS GOING ON

[AnnieK]

Such a **** show

[Smithy]

Just cancel it, it’s ****ing dumb

[Twosugars]

The customs union vote was very close. It's worth exploring how it could be improved on.

[reece(:]

welp

1112829343879872512

[Rob!]

1112753639645474816

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[arista]

The results are in - All options fail again

Motion C: Ken Clarke's Customs Union

Ayes - 273

Noes - 276

Motion D - Nick Boles' Common Market 2.0

Ayes - 261

Noes - 282

Motion E - Peter Kyle's people's vote

Ayes - 280

Noes - 292

Motion G - Joanna Cherry's revocation

Ayes - 191

Noes - 292

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/lsJ5inwFLFRVmwKLIVxPcQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/3nl0Ddf9RFio8ELEClCu_0204%20Guardian.JPG

[arista]

Nick Boles?! :o


MP Nick Boles: 'I can no longer sit for this party'

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/385A/production/_106262441_proposals_ranked-nc.png


Over large BBC breakdown

[Rob!]

Is “Ind” that party that Anna Soubry moved to? Just a handful of them and THEY can’t even ****ing agree.

[reece(:]

Is “Ind” that party that Anna Soubry moves to? Just a handful of them and THEY can’t even ****ing agree.

TIG

[arista]

Is “Ind” that party that Anna Soubry moves to? Just a handful of them and THEY can’t even ****ing agree.



Yes
they are to be called Change UK Party , soon.

[MTVN]

Is “Ind” that party that Anna Soubry moved to? Just a handful of them and THEY can’t even ****ing agree.

It's Independent MPs, not all of them are part of TIG (there are MPs like Frank Field who left Labour but did not join TIG)

TIG all voted together

[MTVN]

What has had the most votes so far?

May's deal :whistle:

[reece(:]

What has had the most votes so far?

May's deal :whistle:

The 3rd meaningful vote which did NOT have cabinet abstentions forced upon by the PM? :whistle:

[arista]

Feck Sake they want to do it again 3rd time
on Wednesday?

[MTVN]

The 3rd meaningful vote which did NOT have cabinet abstentions forced upon by the PM? :whistle:

Well supporting any of the options is against government policy so the cabinet kinda did need to abstain. I expect there are more cabinet members who would oppose the proposals than support any of them anyway. At least the Tories gave a free vote to the rest of their MPs, it's Labour who whipped on some of these votes

[arista]

Tomorrow
The PM is having a 3 hour meeting with her cabinet
then lunch then another 2 hours.

Ref: Reporter Nick Watt.

[Sticks]

It is now official

We are leaving with no deal next Friday

Rejoice - we will all be filthy rich just like Ree-Smog promised

[bots]

It's hilarious .... it seems mp's will keep voting until someone blinks, yet perish the thought that the people they are supposed to represent get another vote :laugh:

We will leave, or maybe we won't ... whatever the outcome, we will survive, but politics will never be the same again. It's time for a change.

[joeysteele]

It cannot be disputed that these all had more votes against than for obviously.
Some extremely close however.

Most of the Conservative party seem to be just voting against more than for.

However, another point is, the votes against have not also reached the parliamentary total majorities against level of 320+

Unlike the agreement, that for 3 times has been comfortably voted against with more than the 320+ votes needed.

These indicative votes are in effect hung votes.

However without compromise, none are likely to ever pass.
Most of this present Conservative party, also seem unable to compromise and in that, they are just following the extremely bad example made by their present leader.

[bots]

Most of the lib dems voted against both the customs union and the norway option .... tell me that's not playing politics.

Also, the reason labour and many others voted down May's deal was because the back stop potentially tied us to a customs union indefinitely. All the options labour support or put forward include membership of the customs union.

Those supporting a ref, do so because they don't want to leave at all. The whole thing is a disgusting sham.

[Nicky91]

It is now official

We are leaving with no deal next Friday

Rejoice - we will all be filthy rich just like Ree-Smog promised

if u believe that :joker: :joker:

[joeysteele]

Most of the lib dems voted against both the customs union and the norway option .... tell me that's not playing politics.

Also, the reason labour and many others voted down May's deal was because the back stop potentially tied us to a customs union indefinitely. All the options labour support or put forward include membership of the customs union.

Those supporting a ref, do so because they don't want to leave at all. The whole thing is a disgusting sham.


That's not totally right.

Labour want a customs arrangement for the whole of the UK.

The withdrawal agreement backstop mainly only applies to N Ireland as a border issue.
Leaving N Ireland different to the rest of the UK.

Hence the DUPs opposition.
They wouldn't be ss bothered if it covered the whole UK

[bots]

That's not totally right.

Labour want a customs arrangement for the whole of the UK.

The withdrawal agreement backstop mainly only applies to N Ireland as a border issue.
Leaving N Ireland different to the rest of the UK.

Hence the DUPs opposition.
They wouldn't be ss bothered if it covered the whole UK

the point being that if Northern Ireland is to remain an integrated part of the UK, with no customs control with the Republic, it brings a customs union to the mainland UK by default

[Rob!]

It is now official

We are leaving with no deal next Friday

Rejoice - we will all be filthy rich just like Ree-Smog promised

Where has this been confirmed? Nowhere I think you’ll find.

[arista]

With the Customs Union
we can not trade with the World
And it means Freedom of Movement.

Its wrong to want them
as the 2016 Vote was won on stopping those 2 points.

The PM having 5 hours of internal meetings today
a Solution must be given tonight
or its 5 hours wasted................................

[joeysteele]

the point being that if Northern Ireland is to remain an integrated part of the UK, with no customs control with the Republic, it brings a customs union to the mainland UK by default

Yes but that's what the DUP won't back this for because it leaves open if no other arrangement can be agreed.
That backstop could leave N Ireland in the backstop but not the rest of the UK.

It's why they're against as it could leave N Ireland in a different arrangement to the rest of the UK.
They wouldn't be against it otherwise.

Labour want a permanent customs union arrangement for the whole of the UK.
That's why they rightly oppose the agreement.

For me, I'd vote for the May/EU agreement.
Just to start to move forward.

Being flippant here too, anything usually the DUP bigots are against, I'd more often than not be for.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks/trillion-pounds-of-assets-leave-london-ahead-of-brexit-ey-idUKKCN1R114E

LONDON (Reuters) - Assets worth around a trillion pounds are moving from London to hubs in the European Union ahead of Brexit, with the parallel shift in jobs likely to top 7,000, consultants EY said on Wednesday.

Banks, asset managers and insurers in London are opening or expanding hubs in the EU to avoid disruption from Britain’s departure from the European Union.

Britain is legally due to leave next week, but the British government is asking Brussels for a delay.

In its latest Brexit Tracker, EY said that 23 companies have announced the transfer of about a trillion pounds in assets, up from 800 billion pounds in the last quarter.

Dublin remains the most popular destination for relocations, with 28 companies saying they have plans to set up shop there, but Frankfurt, Luxembourg and Paris are catching up, with between 21 and 18 firms.

“As 29 March draws nearer, companies are reconfirming or revising the statements they have made about the extent of staff and operational changes they are making, but we are not seeing many last-minute surprises - firms are executing their plans as expected,” EY said in a statement.





£41m/hr since the brexit vote for those still insisting it's a good thing for the country that we sacrifice our financial wellbeing in order to prevent a few Polish families joining us.

[user104658]

FFS if 55% of Scottish people hadn't been clinging to mummy's coat-tails, Glasgow and Edinburgh would be getting the bulk of that London cash right now. :hmph:

[Tom4784]

Parliament need to stop fearing a few ignorant racists in their constituencies and just pick a deal or option to vote for.

I'm of the wrathful opinion that the ignorant masses calling for no deal need to have their faces into the **** they so desperately crave but let's be real, if we go with no deal or no plan in place then we are ****ed.

People want our economy to burn because they hate immigrants. It's dumb af.

[arista]

Parliament need to stop fearing a few ignorant racists in their constituencies and just pick a deal or option to vote for.

I'm of the wrathful opinion that the ignorant masses calling for no deal need to have their faces into the **** they so desperately crave but let's be real, if we go with no deal or no plan in place then we are ****ed.

People want our economy to burn because they hate immigrants. It's dumb af.


Dezzy I voted to Leave the EU
I ain't no racist

Its is not as simple as you think.

[reece(:]

People want our economy to burn because they hate immigrants. It's dumb af.

The irony is most immigrants come from outside the EU, therefore the 'problem' still won't be solved. Although I am for free movement and will be saddened if it ends

https://i.imgur.com/TNiUnbY.gif

[arista]

Confirmed 3rd round of Votes next Monday

[Sticks]

Confirmed 3rd round of Votes next Monday

No point in voting if all they do for each idea is yes or no as all of them will be voted down. They refuse to have something like a single transferral vote as they are so wedded to first past the post, they will not give a hostage to fortune if they were to use a variation of proportional representation amongst themselves.

Lets face it...

You know the song by now

[James]

Re: the votes last night. A lot of the MPs are still playing chess moves thinking they can manoeuvre the decision to their preferred outcome - a lot of the new referendum supporters abstained or voted against the soft Brexit options.

It's far too late for that, and they should be trying to compromise.

[James]

FFS if 55% of Scottish people hadn't been clinging to mummy's coat-tails, Glasgow and Edinburgh would be getting the bulk of that London cash right now. :hmph:

If it hadn't been for the 55% we'd be going through the same type of psycho-drama as Brexit, probably worse.

It's annoying how no-one points this out when the SNP preach about current matters.

They didn't get what they wanted in 2014 so didn't have to take ownership of the result. Brexiters won in 2016 so have to own that result. That's the difference.

[arista]

No point in voting if all they do for each idea is yes or no as all of them will be voted down. They refuse to have something like a single transferral vote as they are so wedded to first past the post, they will not give a hostage to fortune if they were to use a variation of proportional representation amongst themselves.

Lets face it...

You know the song by now


Labour MP Yvette Cooper
setting out to stop No Deal.

[arista]

Re: the votes last night. A lot of the MPs are still playing chess moves thinking they can manoeuvre the decision to their preferred outcome - a lot of the new referendum supporters abstained or voted against the soft Brexit options.

It's far too late for that, and they should be trying to compromise.


Votes again on Monday.

[Sticks]

Labour MP Yvette Cooper
setting out to stop No Deal.

Is this the "Moon is now made of Mauve and Pink Cheese" motion?

[reece(:]

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[arista]

The PM is to make a Statement
shortly.


Inside 10 Downing Street.


in the next 15mins.

[arista]

LIVE NOW

A Short Extension before 22nd of May

She will set new talks with Corbyn.

[Cherie]

ba ha ha

[The Slim Reaper]

LIVE NOW

A Short Extension before 22nd of May

She will set new talks with Corbyn.

But it has to include her deal that's been rejected over and over again.

[arista]

[18:12

PM makes offer to Jeremy Corbyn to help 'break the logjam'
May adds: "Today I am taking action to break the logjam."
She says she is "offering to sit down with the Leader of the Opposition"
to work together on a Brexit plan.
But, the PM warns "any plan will have to agree the current withdrawal
agreement", as that is the only one that has been negotiated with the EU.
May continues: "What we need to focus on is our future relationship with the EU."
She says, both she and Jeremy Corbyn need to agree a plan that can be put
to the House of Commons for approval.
If they can't agree a plan, the government will then propose a
series of options for MPs to vote on.
The PM says: "The government stands ready to abide by the position of the House."
If MPs decide on an option, the PM will then bring forward legislation
to implement the withdrawal agreement.
She says this will need to be passed before 22 May so the UK need
not take part in European Parliament elections.]

[Twosugars]

https://i.imgur.com/TrE9yhz.jpg

[bots]

i give that a zero chance of success, but hey ho :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

She hasn't given a crap about any other party through this whole thing and has refused to give an inch but now says that labour must give her what she wants under the guise of cooperation.

[reece(:]

So May is wanting another short extension and asking the opposition to compromise with her on an agreement

https://i.imgur.com/C4TFECG.gif

[Twosugars]

.Earlier this afternoon the Commons passed a motion admonishing Dominic Cummings, the campaign director of Vote Leave, for contempt of parliament, because he refused to give evidence to a culture committee inquiry into “fake news” and disinformation.

[arista]

i give that a zero chance of success, but hey ho :laugh:




Yes to be done by May 22nd
And Expects Corbyn to do a deal with her?

[arista]

But it has to include her deal that's been rejected over and over again.


Yes she wants Corbyn's help
to Modify his views?

[arista]

Is this the "Moon is now made of Mauve and Pink Cheese" motion?


Date Changed again Sticks

By May 22nd

[Cherie]

I had a dream about Arista last night, he was in a warehouse wearing sunglasses directing me somewhere, I blame Brexit

[arista]

I had a dream about Arista last night, he was in a warehouse wearing sunglasses directing me somewhere, I blame Brexit



how nice
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Me working in Florida

[arista]

Tonight ITV1HD 8PM Martin Lewis
Brexit Special Money Show. Tonight

[The Slim Reaper]

I had a dream about Arista last night, he was in a warehouse wearing sunglasses directing me somewhere, I blame Brexit

Bam Chika WaWa

[Cherie]

how nice
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Me working in Florida

spooky you looked like that but with black hair :laugh:

[Cherie]

Tonight ITV1HD 8PM Martin Lewis
Brexit Special Money Show. Tonight

Yes should I be moving my funds somewhere :worry:

[smudgie]

Yes should I be moving my funds somewhere :worry:

Well, we don’t know what’s going to happen Cherie...so I advise a flipping good spending spree.:cheer2:

[Sticks]

Date Changed again Sticks

By May 22nd

Not by the EU

We are leaving with no deal next Friday for sure...

As for St Jeremy, he will be too busy speaking with Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA to speak with May...

[arista]

Not by the EU

We are leaving with no deal next Friday for sure...

As for St Jeremy, he will be too busy speaking with Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA to speak with May...



Yet?

[arista]

Corbyn has agreed to meet with the PM

[James]

Hopefully this new approach produces a deal that gets approved.

Even if No Deal had happened because of running out of time with no agreement, it would not be a politically sustainable situation with No Deal being opposed by at least two-thirds of MPs.

Brexiters need to deal with that reality.

[Smithy]

Now that this thread is at 4K can we have a new Brexit thread where we can keep the title updated

[reece(:]

Corbyn has agreed to meet with the PM

He did last week or the week before and nothing changed

More kicking the can down the road I forsee

[bots]

if corbyn supports May it will make him look like a statesman and "should" improve his chances at the next election. I don't think that's in his dna though, he will for ever be a protester blaming anyone else that he can.

[Cherie]

Well, we don’t know what’s going to happen Cherie...so I advise a flipping good spending spree.:cheer2:

I think so..

[Twosugars]

if corbyn supports May it will make him look like a statesman and "should" improve his chances at the next election. I don't think that's in his dna though, he will for ever be a protester blaming anyone else that he can.

Don't see why he should support a deal he considers harmful.
May should have sought cross-party agreement before she went into negotiations not now after she produced her crappy deal.

There's no support for hard brexit whichever way you cut it.

[James]

He did last week or the week before and nothing changed

More kicking the can down the road I forsee

The difference now is, apparently, even if they don't agree a plan, they will agree a set of options to be put to MPs, that will be followed by the government.

My fear is if this happens, that the MPs reject every option again.

[reece(:]

The difference now is, apparently, even if they don't agree a plan, they will agree a set of options to be put to MPs, that will be followed by the government.

My fear is if this happens, that the MPs reject every option again.

It might change if Theresa is on board, most of her fanatic MPs (and cabinet ministers) seemed to have voted no to all the indicative options

[James]

One of the big problems in all of this is that this country isn't used to having minority governments and coalitions.

People expect political parties to stick to their manifesto promises made before elections, but when you have coalitions there has to be compromises. Look at the blame the Lib Dems got (and still do) for breaking their tuition fees policy, however that's what happens in coalitions.

[bots]

The big danger now is that brexit will be in name only. Things like customs unions and free movement will get slotted straight back in. If that were to happen, it will empower the far right in the UK with millions of supporters and the next election will be carnage

[joeysteele]

Don't see why he should support a deal he considers harmful.
May should have sought cross-party agreement before she went into negotiations not now after she produced her crappy deal.

There's no support for hard brexit whichever way you cut it.


I totally agree.
Maybe unsurprisingly as I support Labour.

Perhaps the reverse should apply, the minute she lost her overall majority, her manifesto was preferred but not actually endorsed.

She would have looked the Statesperson then had she fully consulted Corbyn and Labour on their plans.

Jeremy Corbyn is no lover of the EU.
He'd normally have more in common with the no deal groupings.
He has had to compromise on his position and has done so.

Something this PM has not done and even in this reaching out to Corbyn now, she still really hasn't yet.

I hope she does however and it's time she did.
I wish success and good luck to the talks between May and Corbyn.
I hope she is being genuine however and not just going through the motions.

[arista]

Remixed Army Video
Shooting at Corbyn Photo

https://news.sky.com/story/totally-unacceptable-mod-criticises-troops-after-corbyn-picture-used-in-target-practice-11682894

[bots]

I totally agree.
Maybe unsurprisingly as I support Labour.

Perhaps the reverse should apply, the minute she lost her overall majority, her manifesto was preferred but not actually endorsed.

She would have looked the Statesperson then had she fully consulted Corbyn and Labour on their plans.

Jeremy Corbyn is no lover of the EU.
He'd normally have more in common with the no deal groupings.
He has had to compromise on his position and has done so.

Something this PM has not done and even in this reaching out to Corbyn now, she still really hasn't yet.

I hope she does however and it's time she did.
I wish success and good luck to the talks between May and Corbyn.
I hope she is being genuine however and not just going through the motions.

i get where you are coming from, but to be a proper statesman, one does at some point need to think about the country and not just personal feelings or the party. May hasn't done it for a moment, and that will forever be how she is remembered, the worst prime minister, maybe ever.

What I am saying is that Corbyn has an opportunity to show that he is the bigger person, it may not sit well with him or his supporters, but it will with the country. Be a statesman rather than a protester.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Northern Monkey]

If it’s going to be some super soft single market customs union Corbynite brexit.
I’d rather remain.

There’s no benefit over what we already have.

[Nicky91]

so today's schedule

12pm PM's Question Time

Ten Minute Rule Motion - Kerry mccarthy

Motion - business of the house sir oliver letwin, yvette cooper

Legislation - European Union withdrawal agreement No.5 Bill: 2nd reading

Motion - to approve a statutory instrument relating to the draft electronic communications EU Exit regulations 2019, Margot James

motion - to approve a statutory instrument relating to the draft trade in torture etc. Goods EU Exit regulations 2019 Dr Liam Fox


so quite some things for today then

[Nicky91]

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D66 party member Kees Verhoeven wrote this, all dutch mps have come to agreement for the rights of british nationals living in Netherlands, that they still have those rights post-brexit