The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[Ammi]

..:laugh:..no indication we're going to be in the front of any lines either...

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/20/leader-of-pro-brexit-party-catherine-blaiklock-resigns-over-anti-islam-messages?CMP=share_btn_tw



The leader of the new pro-Brexit party backed by Nigel Farage abruptly resigned on Wednesday after the Guardian asked her about a series of deleted anti-Islam Twitter messages sent before she took on the role.

Catherine Blaiklock, the leader of the Brexit party, repeatedly retweeted posts from far-right figures as well as sending her own messages. Among the messages she shared was one by Mark Collett, a former British National party (BNP) activist, referring to “white genocide”.

The term is often used in extreme rightwing and racist online activism of the sort seen as having inspired the man suspected of shooting dead 50 people last week at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.


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One of her own messages read: “Islam = submission – mostly to raping men it seems.”

The news will call Farage’s judgement into question after he left Ukip because of its “fixation” on Muslims and its alliance with far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

Blaiklock retweeted seven messages from Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

The tweets, sent between 2017 and this year, came from an account that Blaiklock deleted shortly after she co-founded the Brexit party. They were uncovered by researchers from Hope Not Hate, which monitors the far right, and have been seen by the Guardian.

After the Guardian asked Blaiklock about the messages, she said her role “was only ever supposed to be temporary”, and involved mainly helping Farage set up the party and get it registered with the Electoral Commission.

She said: “The out-of-character comments that I made on social media some time ago were unacceptable in tone and content. After speaking to Nigel Farage, I realise that my comments fall well short of what is expected in any walk of life.

“I have accordingly tendered my resignation as party leader.”

Among other tweets sent by Blaiklock was one that referred to Islam as “a non-democracy ideology that is incompatible with liberal democracy”. Another said of Islam that it was “perfectly rational to be phobic about people who want to kill you”.

Another, from December 2017, recounted being at a north London tube station, and read: “8 people waiting for lift, 5 Muslim girls, 1 black, 1 other Asian Chinese, 1 white. Immediately outside saw a drug deal take place. Looked like Turkey.”

She also retweeted a message by the US radio show host and former state congressman Joe Walsh saying: “Haiti is a ****hole and it’s run by blacks.”

Blaiklock was formerly Ukip’s economics spokeswoman. She left the party late last year, shortly after Farage, who is listed on the Brexit party website as “supporting” it, and has promised to stand if new European elections are held in May.

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She shared 45 Twitter posts by Collett, who formerly headed the youth wing of the BNP, one as recently as January this year. One retweet, from 2018, shows a photo of a multiracial primary school class with the message: “This is a British school. This is white genocide.”

Another post by Collett retweeted by Baiklock claims that multiculturalism amounts to “the replacement of the indigenous European people”.

As well as Collett and Robinson, Blaiklock also retweeted dozens of posts by the far-right agitators Peter Sweden and Stefan Molyneux, and Paul Joseph Watson from the US conspiracy theory website Infowars.

Her own tweets about Islam also included: “Islam = submission, slavery. Western thought = critical thinking freedom.” Another, sent 10 days later, read: “I want my country back. I want seaside donkeys on the beach and little village churches, not acid attacks, mobs and mosques.”

In January, deleted posts from Blaiklock’s personal blog emerged in which she expressed concern about “Muslim enclaves” and argued that crime and fatherlessness among black men were due to high testosterone levels.

At the time, Blaiklock said she had taken down her Twitter account “because I have no time right now to monitor it”.

Matthew McGregor, the campaigns director of Hope Not Hate, said: “Blaiklock’s abhorrent racist social media posts have revealed the true nature of Nigel Farage’s Brexit party: new branding, same old nasty underbelly.

“The only reason Blaiklock has gone is because these vile comments were exposed by Hope Not Hate.”

A spokesman for Farage said he had nothing to add.

[arista]

...I haven’t seen any indication that Brexiting will be putting us at the front of any queues so Obama was most wise I reckon, Arista...


That Stupid President
went on UK TV news
and made more Vote for Brexit
it was a dumb panic move
by Cameron.

[The Slim Reaper]

That Stupid President
went on UK TV news
and made more Vote for Brexit
it was a dumb panic move
by Cameron.

So leavers didn't believe all the lies told by the leave campaign, and voted leave anyway because Obama said something? You think we'll get the best deals negotiating from a position of weakness?

[arista]

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage

Farage Live Stream

[bots]

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage

Farage Live Stream

no thankyou

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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Rees-Mogg Sister has left the Conservatives
to join the New Brexit party.



Sign Of The Times

[arista]

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Note for Sticks
Sky UK is now owned by NBC (Comcast) USA

[Cherie]

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Rees-Mogg Sister has left the Conservatives
to join the New Brexit party.



Sign Of The Times

Adrian Chiles was asking the reporter who broke this news on 5 Live what they could call her for short, and he came up with Nunny..... :omgno: I don't think so

[The Slim Reaper]

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Note for Sticks
Sky UK is now owned by NBC (Comcast) USA

Sorry about our racism, it's just teething problems.

[The Slim Reaper]

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We are sorry that our leader wrote a book detailing how international Jewry is the scourge of the world, but they were just teething problems.

[Vicky.]

IMO, whats happening now is basically, MPs are slowly cancelling brexit. I think this 'extension' stuff will go on for years now, and its just a way to stall. Eventually someone will have to deal with it, but I can't see it being for a while yet.

[smudgie]

IMO, whats happening now is basically, MPs are slowly cancelling brexit. I think this 'extension' stuff will go on for years now, and its just a way to stall. Eventually someone will have to deal with it, but I can't see it being for a while yet.

Hopefully Mr Farage will show them the way.

[arista]

Sorry about our racism, it's just teething problems.


They sacked her
She did not make it to the start of the party.


At least he has standards
and cleans house unlike other party's

[arista]

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Young Black British standing up for their new Political Party.

[Sticks]

Farage is pot calling the kettle black!!! :mad:

Farage, if I heard him correctly claimed to have set up UKIP, which is wrong

UKIP was set up be Alen Sked (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Sked) and from the article you will see how he criticised UKIP under Farage, which became a racist party. He even said "UKIP is even less liberal than the British National Party (BNP). Certainly, there is a symbiosis between elements of the parties"

In an article dated 21 October 2015 for The National Interest, Sked wrote the following regarding Nigel Farage and the state of UKIP under his leadership,

"After I stepped down to return to academic life, however, the party came under control of a preposterous mountebank named Nigel Farage, who reoriented it to the far right. The clause about a lack of prejudices was abolished and all sorts of nasty statements were made against blacks, Muslims and gays. Former members of the National Front were allowed to work for the party or become candidates. The party itself has deliquesced into a cult around Farage, whose electoral failure in 2015 has made him an object of scorn in the media and prompted his financial backers to desert him. Farage has become a convenient figure with which to frighten moderate voters about the consequences of fulfilling my party’s original mission—withdrawal from the European Union."

[The Slim Reaper]

The government has wasted 4 billion on brexit plans, post vote.

Here's the breakdown

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/brexit-snapshot-final-web-vb.pdf

[arista]

The government has wasted 4 billion on brexit plans, post vote.

Here's the breakdown

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/brexit-snapshot-final-web-vb.pdf


Yes Wasting Money
and it starts again in early October

[joeysteele]

I wish they'd just pass this withdrawal agreement and then hopefully see this dangerously divisive Farage maybe to again retire and head off.

He's been going to have been done with things more times than Mrs May has had to alter her plans.

[Twosugars]

They sacked her
She did not make it to the start of the party.


At least he has standards
and cleans house unlike other party's

Wasn't one-off though was it. There was another one high-up in the party removed for the same far right views wasn't there.

[lime]

IMO, whats happening now is basically, MPs are slowly cancelling brexit. I think this 'extension' stuff will go on for years now, and its just a way to stall. Eventually someone will have to deal with it, but I can't see it being for a while yet.

I have to disagree with you Vicky.The EU will not allow Brexit "stuff" to carry on for years.
With all due respect ...this is a UK decision ...we need to know what you want so we can ALL move on...But if the UK can not decide what this Brexit stuff is ...how do expect us to?

So frustrating as an Irish/South African watching your media let Brexiteers go unchallenged ..They lie constantly...you will hear some say let's get on with "it".
Would be helpfull if the UK let the EU what "it" was.

An Irish friend of mine told me to listen to nigel Farage on LBC so I did a week ago..OH my in the space of an hour he contractided himself 4 times .This myth that the EU are holding the UK in the EU...whilst May was seeking to extend .The Uk is free to leave at any time.


Iknow this is petty but it annoys me when British media report that May was left alone till the early hours waiting for EU to decide your faith...as if this was the EU trying to humiliate you guys.May can not be part of those disscussions amongst EU nations as she no longer wants to be part of the EU.I have seen "mainly in the Telegraph" that the remaining left May on her own whilst they ate and drank.For the love that allis sacred ...do their readers not get that it might take a couple of hours for 27 coutries to come to an agreement...If the Uk can't agree with themselves over 3 yrs Why when the remaing 27 take a few hours it is considered an insult

[Niamh.]

Well said Lime

[Underscore]

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[Sticks]

I did wonder, with he media profile at the moment if Philip Hammond MP would make a good replacement PM, but when he was a transport secretary he questioned why trains did not stop at level crossings to let the cars go by...

[lime]

Well said Lime
:love::love::love::love::love:

[Cherie]

I have to disagree with you Vicky.The EU will not allow Brexit "stuff" to carry on for years.
With all due respect ...this is a UK decision ...we need to know what you want so we can ALL move on...But if the UK can not decide what this Brexit stuff is ...how do expect us to?

So frustrating as an Irish/South African watching your media let Brexiteers go unchallenged ..They lie constantly...you will hear some say let's get on with "it".
Would be helpfull if the UK let the EU what "it" was.

An Irish friend of mine told me to listen to nigel Farage on LBC so I did a week ago..OH my in the space of an hour he contractided himself 4 times .This myth that the EU are holding the UK in the EU...whilst May was seeking to extend .The Uk is free to leave at any time.


Iknow this is petty but it annoys me when British media report that May was left alone till the early hours waiting for EU to decide your faith...as if this was the EU trying to humiliate you guys.May can not be part of those disscussions amongst EU nations as she no longer wants to be part of the EU.I have seen "mainly in the Telegraph" that the remaining left May on her own whilst they ate and drank.For the love that allis sacred ...do their readers not get that it might take a couple of hours for 27 coutries to come to an agreement...If the Uk can't agree with themselves over 3 yrs Why when the remaing 27 take a few hours it is considered an insult

They are not unchallenged though, that is why there is gridlock?

'it' is no deal for Brexiteers

'it' is another ref for remainers

[Vicky.]

I have to disagree with you Vicky.The EU will not allow Brexit "stuff" to carry on for years.
With all due respect ...this is a UK decision ...we need to know what you want so we can ALL move on...But if the UK can not decide what this Brexit stuff is ...how do expect us to?


Snipped though was a fantastic post overall.

Yeah I guess thats true, the EU won't let us take the piss forever, just because our politicians have no clue. Whenever the EU stop giving us more time, then I suspect a revote will happen. Leave with no deal V revoke article 50 (if they arent so sick of us by then that they remove that option!)

IF this has not happened by the time of a general election, I think both Labour and Tories will purposely try to lose, as neither actually want to deal with it, regardless of what they say, and really, those are our two realistic options (currently, with a bit of luck something will change, as I find both parties to be crap right now)

[user104658]

I have to disagree with you Vicky.The EU will not allow Brexit "stuff" to carry on for years.
With all due respect ...this is a UK decision ...we need to know what you want so we can ALL move on...But if the UK can not decide what this Brexit stuff is ...how do expect us to?

So frustrating as an Irish/South African watching your media let Brexiteers go unchallenged ..They lie constantly...you will hear some say let's get on with "it".
Would be helpfull if the UK let the EU what "it" was.

An Irish friend of mine told me to listen to nigel Farage on LBC so I did a week ago..OH my in the space of an hour he contractided himself 4 times .This myth that the EU are holding the UK in the EU...whilst May was seeking to extend .The Uk is free to leave at any time.


Iknow this is petty but it annoys me when British media report that May was left alone till the early hours waiting for EU to decide your faith...as if this was the EU trying to humiliate you guys.May can not be part of those disscussions amongst EU nations as she no longer wants to be part of the EU.I have seen "mainly in the Telegraph" that the remaining left May on her own whilst they ate and drank.For the love that allis sacred ...do their readers not get that it might take a couple of hours for 27 coutries to come to an agreement...If the Uk can't agree with themselves over 3 yrs Why when the remaing 27 take a few hours it is considered an insult

The problem with this thinking is that it seems to operate on the basis that the people of the UK "decided we all wanted to leave" and have now "changed or can't make up our minds" and that that's the cause of delay. The accurate picture is that it was so close to being 50/50 that coming to a consensus was always going to be very difficult if not impossible; and that's compounded by the fact that at this point it's quite likely that Brexit ISN'T even what the majority want, and yet it's still being pushed to conclusion anyway.

[user104658]

Snipped though was a fantastic post overall.

Yeah I guess thats true, the EU won't let us take the piss forever, just because our politicians have no clue. Whenever the EU stop giving us more time, then I suspect a revote will happen. Leave with no deal V revoke article 50 (if they arent so sick of us by then that they remove that option!)


Thankfully, that can't happen; it's already been legally decided that A50 can be withdrawn at any point before any established deadline, even if it's literally the last minute, and the EU will accept the cancellation.

[Cherie]

The problem with this thinking is that it seems to operate on the basis that the people of the UK "decided we all wanted to leave" and have now "changed or can't make up our minds" and that that's the cause of delay. The accurate picture is that it was so close to being 50/50 that coming to a consensus was always going to be very difficult if not impossible; and that's compounded by the fact that at this point it's quite likely that Brexit ISN'T even what the majority want, and yet it's still being pushed to conclusion anyway.


Lime is missing the point that its a remainer Parliament, if it were a leaver Parliament we would have been out on no deal.

[Vicky.]

Thankfully, that can't happen; it's already been legally decided that A50 can be withdrawn at any point before any established deadline, even if it's literally the last minute, and the EU will accept the cancellation.

Ah thats good to know I suppose.

[user104658]

Lime is missing the point that its a remainer Parliament, if it were a leaver Parliament we would have been out on no deal.

I mean I'm just going to be blunt and say that (as awful people as many of them are); it's a remainer parliament because MP's generally have a half-decent level of education, and "Leave" is the vote of mercenary speculative capitalist Tories who stand to gain from everyone else's loss, and the unfortunate saps who were economically naive enough to be sucked in by their rhetoric.

The whole reason that the Brexit ref. ever even happened can be summed up by David Cameron and chums sat round a table saying "Yeah allowing the ref would be a real votes winner, and surely no one is stupid enough to actually vote for economic suicide, right lol?"

[Cherie]

I mean I'm just going to be blunt and say that (as awful people as many of them are); it's a remainer parliament because MP's generally have a half-decent level of education, and "Leave" is the vote of mercenary speculative capitalist Tories who stand to gain from everyone else's loss, and the unfortunate saps who were economically naive enough to be sucked in by their rhetoric.

The whole reason that the Brexit ref. ever even happened can be summed up by David Cameron and chums sat round a table saying "Yeah allowing the ref would be a real votes winner, and surely no one is stupid enough to actually vote for economic suicide, right lol?"

Pretty much, I read somewhere yesterday that one of Farages new recruits is making heaps of money out of Brexit volatility in the markets, he won't be the only one....its all about money, and they don't really care if you lose your job, no skin of their nose

[bots]

i was always of the mind that i don't really care if we are in or out of the EU, but trashing existing trade agreements when we are not in a position of strength is the height of stupidity.

I get that people don't like being dictated to by outside sources, but that's what life is like in the big bad world. The country or block with the biggest sword dictates the terms most favourable to it. It's been that way since time began. To suggest that we would be better off negotiating from a position of weakness is just complete stupidity.

[Cherie]

i was always of the mind that i don't really care if we are in or out of the EU, but trashing existing trade agreements when we are not in a psition of strength is the height of stupidity.

I get that people don't like being dictated to by outside sources, but that's what life is like in the big bad world. The country or block with the biggest sword dictates the terms most favourable to it. It's been that way since time began. To suggest that we would be better of negotiating from a position of weakness is just complete stupidity.

Yes, how people in all honesty think the UK will be on the front foot with China, USA ect is madness :laugh:

[user104658]

i was always of the mind that i don't really care if we are in or out of the EU, but trashing existing trade agreements when we are not in a position of strength is the height of stupidity.

I get that people don't like being dictated to by outside sources, but that's what life is like in the big bad world. The country or block with the biggest sword dictates the terms most favourable to it. It's been that way since time began. To suggest that we would be better off negotiating from a position of weakness is just complete stupidity.

[/B]

Yes, how people in all honesty think the UK will be on the front foot with China, USA ect is madness :laugh:

Indeed; the world is swiftly consolidating into a literal handful of powerhouse trading entities. Is it necessarily "a good thing"? No it's a bit scary in itself BUT it's much better to be on the inside than trailing along behind screaming. Amidst this happening... Britain decides to LEAVE the position of being one of the most prominent members of one of those few relevant trading areas and go it alone. It's utterly bizarre. "Going it alone" just isn't a viable option to be economically competitive and anyone who thinks it is, has their head stuck in the pre-Thatcher era.

[lime]

They are not unchallenged though, that is why there is gridlock?

'it' is no deal for Brexiteers

'it' is another ref for remainers

i don't know how to to multi Q but oh my ....just listen to Davis ..Mogg talk about Sm..CU..WTo they lie and the only responce they get is noding dogs

[lime]

Lime is missing the point that its a remainer Parliament, if it were a leaver Parliament we would have been out on no deal.

Wrong.

No point being missed on our side.


We in the EU simply don't care if your parliament is leave or remain ...We want this setteled


FFS makes no difference if its may or Mogg...

[Cherie]

Wrong.

No point being missed on our side.


We in the EU simply don't care if your parliament is leave or remain ...We want this setteled


FFS makes no difference if its may or Mogg...

There you go...'our side' there are 16 million living in Britain who are on 'your side' as well, but you have already shown you have an irrational hate of all things British whatever side they are on. We all want it settled, I thought you were totally against a no deal? what about the Irish border..... ? Rees Mogg is constantly taken to task, you seem to be only seeing things you want to see

Why are you swearing? it makes a big difference if you have a leaver PM in control...

[The Slim Reaper]

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[user104658]

....just listen to Davis ..Mogg talk about Sm..CU..WTo they lie and the only responce they get is noding dogs

I mean I don't know what you're being shown but this is totally false :think:. The only "nodding dogs" would be No-Deal advocates and those aren't even the majority of Leave voters. It sounds like you either have blinkers on, or are being shown one-sided sensationalist media :shrug:.

[Cherie]

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Joes a ledge

[arista]

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Yes Underscore
you posted it
But Slim Reaper
ignored you
and posted it AGAIN

Nothing new.

[The Slim Reaper]

Wait, did someone just say something?

[arista]

I did wonder, with he media profile at the moment if Philip Hammond MP would make a good replacement PM, but when he was a transport secretary he questioned why trains did not stop at level crossings to let the cars go by...

No
he wants remain.

[Twosugars]

I mean I'm just going to be blunt and say that (as awful people as many of them are); it's a remainer parliament because MP's generally have a half-decent level of education, and "Leave" is the vote of mercenary speculative capitalist Tories who stand to gain from everyone else's loss, and the unfortunate saps who were economically naive enough to be sucked in by their rhetoric.

The whole reason that the Brexit ref. ever even happened can be summed up by David Cameron and chums sat round a table saying "Yeah allowing the ref would be a real votes winner, and surely no one is stupid enough to actually vote for economic suicide, right lol?"

There's also another group among the leavers: those wanting full sovereignty back.

[Underscore]

Yes Underscore
you posted it
But Slim Reaper
ignored you
and posted it AGAIN

Nothing new.

:joker::joker:

[lime]

I mean I don't know what you're being shown but this is totally false :think:. The only "nodding dogs" would be No-Deal advocates and those aren't even the majority of Leave voters. It sounds like you either have blinkers on, or are being shown one-sided sensationalist media :shrug:.
You are more than welcome to think i have blinkers on We just want to move on.


I think I'm capaplle to see both sides .


I know who has blinkers on..and its not me
TS we reached to you all

please excuse my bad English

[lime]

There you go...'our side' there are 16 million living in Britain who are on 'your side' as well, but you have already shown you have an irrational hate of all things British whatever side they are on. We all want it settled, I thought you were totally against a no deal? what about the Irish border..... ? Rees Mogg is constantly taken to task, you seem to be only seeing things you want to see

Why are you swearing? it makes a big difference if you have a leaver PM in control...

Wow are you mad are what??
I have an irratioal hate of all things British???


many of my friends and family are British and we love them dearley

[Cherie]

Wow are you mad are what??
I have an irratioal hate of all things British???


many of my friends and family are British and we love them dearley

Thats how you come across, you reached out....with a deal that even remainer MPs won't pass, that's how much 'you' reached out :laugh:

[arista]

The Next Conservative PM must be a Brexit backer
but under the rules she is there until December 2019
unless she gets her dead deal passed before that month.

[Sticks]

The Next Conservative PM must be a Brexit backer


Why?

Are you in favour of leaving with no deal?

If we do that, then no EU citizen here will have a right to work, as the withdrawal agreement had EU citizens rights, which will be no more, and all the pointers are that there will be a huge negative impact on the UK. Or is that lies of Project Fear, as Bexiters kept banging on about to undercut any reason given during the referendum why Brexit was a bad idea?

[Cherie]

Why?

Are you in favour of leaving with no deal?

If we do that, then no EU citizen here will have a right to work, as the withdrawal agreement had EU citizens rights, which will be no more, and all the pointers are that there will be a huge negative impact on the UK. Or is that lies of Project Fear, as Bexiters kept banging on about to undercut any reason given during the referendum why Brexit was a bad idea?

the upside is there will be plenty badly paid jobs for the Brits :dance:

[arista]

Why?

Are you in favour of leaving with no deal?

If we do that, then no EU citizen here will have a right to work, as the withdrawal agreement had EU citizens rights, which will be no more, and all the pointers are that there will be a huge negative impact on the UK. Or is that lies of Project Fear, as Bexiters kept banging on about to undercut any reason given during the referendum why Brexit was a bad idea?

We Must Leave the EU
It may take a General Election
to do it

[Sticks]

There is no time for a divisive General Election or 2nd Referendum.

Spreadsheet Phil could be the person to do it, from the comments he has made in recent days. We just need to grey suited men of the 1922 committee to lever out the limpet in order to get things moving so Brexit can happen in an orderly fashion.

[Cherie]

There is no time for a divisive General Election or 2nd Referendum.

Spreadsheet Phil could be the person to do it, from the comments he has made in recent days. We just need to grey suited men of the 1922 committee to lever out the limpet in order to get things moving so Brexit can happen in an orderly fashion.

a smooth orderly Brexit has replaced strong and stable

rough and disorderly v weak and wobbly

[arista]

There is no time for a divisive General Election or 2nd Referendum.

Spreadsheet Phil could be the person to do it, from the comments he has made in recent days. We just need to grey suited men of the 1922 committee to lever out the limpet in order to get things moving so Brexit can happen in an orderly fashion.



You are aware the Rules
say: she stays until December 2019

[Twosugars]

Thats how you come across, you reached out....with a deal that even remainer MPs won't pass, that's how much 'you' reached out :laugh:

The deal is based on May's red lines. The EU offered what they could with respect of that. What do you expect them to do? Destroy their common market to suit the British? Or destroy the economic integrity of the island of Ireland?
Sometimes I wonder if you're really Irish :laugh:
The rest of the EU wants to get on with other business instead of appeasing the unrealistic expectations of some of the UK's politicians.

[Twosugars]

We Must Leave the EU
It may take a General Election
to do it

There's no must about it.
You're not working for some hedge fund hoping to make money on this chaos?

[Cherie]

The deal is based on May's red lines. The EU offered what they could with respect of that. What do you expect them to do? Destroy their common market to suit the British? Or destroy the economic integrity of the island of Ireland?
Sometimes I wonder if you're really Irish :laugh:
The rest of the EU wants to get on with other business instead of appeasing the unrealistic expectations of some of the UK's politicians.

The EU were always going to play hard ball, if they wanted to they could have shifted Mays red lines as they are in the driving seat but it suited them fine...she is a remainer after all, they also refused to look at the deal again after it was rejected...so if that is reaching out in your book, I know you love the EU but let the scales fall from your eyes, they dont want to lose UK funding if they can help it

[Twosugars]

EU can't shift May's red lines! :laugh: She has to do it

[Cherie]

EU can't shift May's red lines! :laugh: She has to do it

so they have no influence at all...okay! what I meant was they could have influenced her to shift her lines ....not that they would personally done it

[arista]

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[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/yi-yOQbyiBIIRDsBnX5k1w/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/v52RAf3iQVCI58BVIrIQ_poll1.JPG

Amazing the new Brexit Party
comes up 3rd.


Meanwhile Indie Group (11 MP's soon to be called Change UK)
is at the bottom.

[lime]

Thats how you come across, you reached out....with a deal that even remainer MPs won't pass, that's how much 'you' reached out :laugh:

FFs Cherie...have you not followed Brexit? or do you choose not to follow facts?


The WA was a deal agreed with the UK and EU..If it wouldn't pass the Uk shouldn't have agreed to it..but they did and this why the backstop is so very important..Sorry but the UK right now can not be taken at it's word

[Vicky.]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/oI8lqdaGYULtKt-B3vAL4w/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/5C2N6IWkSxyTIn8uZzTX_TheSundayTelegraph.JPG

Local Elections 2-May -2019
some parts of the UK

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4DL1xmW0AASmu0.jpg

Please please no. I cannot believe I am saying this, but even though the tories are a ****show and are ****ing me right now (am disabled so...yeah am treat worst than most) the thought of Corbyn in charge makes my blood run cold.

Only about a year ago I would be loving this news...how things change :umm2:

[Cherie]

FFs Cherie...have you not followed Brexit? or do you choose not to follow facts?


The WA was a deal agreed with the UK and EU..If it wouldn't pass the Uk shouldn't have agreed to it..but they did and this why the backstop is so very important..Sorry but the UK right now can not be taken at it's word

Please stop swearing at me? why do you feel the need to preface your posts with such aggression?

The EU had to sit down to negotiations, same as the UK, that is not reaching out! Its part of a necessary process

[Cherie]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/yi-yOQbyiBIIRDsBnX5k1w/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/v52RAf3iQVCI58BVIrIQ_poll1.JPG

Amazing the new Brexit Party
comes up 3rd.


Meanwhile Indie Group (11 MP's soon to be called Change UK)
is at the bottom.

The Brexit party are going to do much better than that prediction I think, Labour top though :facepalm: this country is a bit of a joke at the moment politically

[Vicky.]

The Brexit party are going to do much better than that prediction I think, Labour top though :facepalm: this country is a bit of a joke at the moment politically

The percentages for the top two are pretty dire, aren't they usually at like 40%?! Maybe someone else might stand a chance..

[Cherie]

The percentages for the top two are pretty dire, aren't they usually at like 40%?! Maybe someone else might stand a chance..

By the looks of things the Brexit party....:facepalm:


The Lib Dems should be mopping up the remain vote but the mistrust in them is hard to shake off

[Matthew.]

“The Brexit Party” is a bit of a mouthful

[Vicky.]

The Lib Dems should be mopping up the remain vote but the mistrust in them is hard to shake off
Aye Clegg ****ed them for a very very long time I think. Which is sad because every year they were creeping further and further up in the rankings too..

[bots]

on the basis that we are leaving, the brexit party must be the ideal choice for
euro mps

If there is no GE until after we leave the EU, then the brexit party is finished

[Cherie]

Aye Clegg ****ed them for a very very long time I think. Which is sad because every year they were creeping further and further up in the rankings too..

'I agree with Nick' :laugh:

I voted for them that year as well

[Sticks]

We steered clear of Nick because the Lib Dems had as their policy to close down where I worked. Sadly because it was a hung parliament, their policy still got enacted when they went into coalition .

[lime]

Please stop swearing at me? why do you feel the need to preface your posts with such aggression?

The EU had to sit down to negotiations, same as the UK, that is not reaching out! Its part of a necessary process

Well I give up with you Cherie,

You claimed that we in the EU offered a deal that even a remainer goverment wouldn't sign up to..Trying to make out it was us ALONE who came up with the WA.


So frustrating to see this train of thought ...sadly its not uncommon.

Sorry you feel I am agressive...maybe i just care

[smudgie]

on the basis that we are leaving, the brexit party must be the ideal choice for
euro mps

If there is no GE until after we leave the EU, then the brexit party is finished

My reasoning for voting Brexit Party given the chance.
Send a message to the shower in Parliament.

[Cherie]

We steered clear of Nick because the Lib Dems had as their policy to close down where I worked. Sadly because it was a hung parliament, their policy still got enacted when they went into coalition .

Amazing isn't it, they were able to go through with this policy but reneged on others, I didn't know they were planning on closing somewhere what was the rationale behind that :shrug:

[MTVN]

The percentages for the top two are pretty dire, aren't they usually at like 40%?! Maybe someone else might stand a chance..

Not in European elections, last time out the Tories only got 23% and Labour 24, UKIP won with 27% of the vote..

[user104658]

To be fair though voter turnout has traditionally been abysmal for the European elections with skewed voter turnout for those with a specific interest; hence UKIP getting a large proportion of the vote. I would imagine there will be a relatively high turnout for the upcoming ones as its at the forefront of mainstream media so it's hard to predict how they'll go. I would imagine that the Tories will lose a significant chunk to Faragekru.

[Vicky.]

Not in European elections, last time out the Tories only got 23% and Labour 24, UKIP won with 27% of the vote..

Oh right, I know nowt at all about European elections :laugh:

[Sticks]

The trouble is that percentages may not translate into who wins. At the end of the day, with the First Past the Post system, it is how it translates into seats.

Compare at the last election how many votes the Green Party got with UKIP and you see, even though the Greens may have got more overall votes than UKIP, they still like UKIP only got one seat.

[user104658]

The trouble is that percentages may not translate into who wins. At the end of the day, with the First Past the Post system, it is how it translates into seats.

Compare at the last election how many votes the Green Party got with UKIP and you see, even though the Greens may have got more overall votes than UKIP, they still like UKIP only got one seat.The European Parliament elections are not first past the post though, they're proportional representation so 25% of the vote = exactly 25% of Britain's alloted seats at the European Parliament, unlike the (somewhat broken, in the current political landscape) FPTP system we use for General Elections where you can get 10% of the popular vote and still few or zero actual seats in Parliament.

[Sticks]

I thought FPTP was still used for European elections in the UK, even though the other states use PR?

[Sticks]

In 1989 the Green Party in the UK scored 15%. In other countries that would have got them a few seats, but they did not get any, as we used FPTP.

[user104658]

In 1989 the Green Party in the UK scored 15%. In other countries that would have got them a few seats, but they did not get any, as we used FPTP.PR since the late 90's, that's why UKIP have done so well in the European elections whilst getting nowhere in UK Parliament.

[MTVN]

The trouble is that percentages may not translate into who wins. At the end of the day, with the First Past the Post system, it is how it translates into seats.

Compare at the last election how many votes the Green Party got with UKIP and you see, even though the Greens may have got more overall votes than UKIP, they still like UKIP only got one seat.

UKIP didn't get any seats in the last election

[Twosugars]

Nothing wrong with PR. The Farage crew should be in the EU parliament. He does reflect views of a significant chunk of the electorate.

[user104658]

Nothing wrong with PR. The Farage crew should be in the EU parliament. He does reflect views of a significant chunk of the electorate.The problem with full PR in domestic parliament is that our electorate is so fragmented, it would be almost impossible to pass anything. It's bad enough with coalitions and minority governments, as we've discovered.

[Twosugars]

The problem with full PR in domestic parliament is that our electorate is so fragmented, it would be almost impossible to pass anything. It's bad enough with coalitions and minority governments, as we've discovered.
Most of Europe functions like that and they manage.
Con-LD coalition lasted the duration so :shrug:

[reece(:]

In 1989 the Green Party in the UK scored 15%. In other countries that would have got them a few seats, but they did not get any, as we used FPTP.

FPTP has got to go, we need proportional representation!

[Northern Monkey]

It’s a shame Clegg is a Lib Dem.He’s actually a very good speaker.He’d probably do Labour or some other party a lot of good.

[user104658]

It’s a shame Clegg is a Lib Dem.He’s actually a very good speaker.He’d probably do Labour or some other party a lot of good.Once upon a time maybe but his reputation was trashed alongside the party over the tuition fees issue. It was a major misstep.

[Vicky.]

Once upon a time maybe but his reputation was trashed alongside the party over the tuition fees issue. It was a major misstep.

I cannot believe he sold out over that, when near all of the votes he actualy got seemed to be specifically for that pledge. He could have backed the tories on near anything else and not ruined himself and his party, but that main peldge, gone in seconds :bored: All for a taste of power, and the amount of actual power he had is questionable..seemed to be just on paper rather than in reality.

[bots]

I cannot believe he sold out over that, when near all of the votes he actualy got seemed to be specifically for that pledge. He could have backed the tories on near anything else and not ruined himself and his party, but that main peldge, gone in seconds :bored: All for a taste of power, and the amount of actual power he had is questionable..seemed to be just on paper rather than in reality.

Clegg never sold out on his commitment on tuition fees, that's the great deceit. The lib dems with no hope of ever being in power were free to make up whatever bollocks they felt like in their manifesto without fear of ever having to implement anything, they had been doing the same for years. Then they ended up in a coalition, so anything that wasn't feasible got kicked out.

[James]

I made the point earlier in this thread, that the public aren't used to coalition governments, and the Lib Dems dropping the tuition fees pledge is the kind of thing that happens when you get coalitions.

Parties put a series of pledges in their manifestos, and then after the election they do deals and the different sides (more often the junior coalition partner[s]) have to drop some promises.

A PR voting system would make this happen more often.

[Underscore]

I cannot believe he sold out over that, when near all of the votes he actualy got seemed to be specifically for that pledge. He could have backed the tories on near anything else and not ruined himself and his party, but that main peldge, gone in seconds :bored: All for a taste of power, and the amount of actual power he had is questionable..seemed to be just on paper rather than in reality.

We stuck to a lot of our pledges and got a lot done

https://3859gp38qzh51h504x6gvv0o-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2015/04/Liberal-Democrat-achievements-in-government-large-web-version-April-2015.jpg

[Underscore]

Also a political party exists to gain power, if you don't do that you're essentially just a pressure group.

[MTVN]

Yeah I've always thought the anger at the Lib Dems over that was misplaced. They were the junior partner in government so they were never going to be able to enact all their pledges as any manifesto is based on what you would do as a majority government. If the Lib Dems hadn't been in government though the fees rise would have been tougher than it ended up being and they achieved more in 5 years in government than they ever could in opposition. On the one hand people complain about FPTP and want PR but then they also punish a party for making the necessary compromises in a coalition government. I actually think the Con-Lib coalition was a pretty sensible and moderate government and better than what we've had since

[user104658]

I mean, I'm not sure that "better than what we've had since" is exactly an endorsement.

"Well no this isn't ice cream... but at least it isn't literally a chunk of sh*t on a stick!"

[bots]

I mean, I'm not sure that "better than what we've had since" is exactly an endorsement.

"Well no this isn't ice cream... but at least it isn't literally a chunk of sh*t on a stick!"

it has to be remembered the situation they inherited from labour, complete with the note that there was no money left. That really puts a damper on pleasing the people with lots of jelly and donuts.

[The Slim Reaper]

it has to be remembered the situation they inherited from labour, complete with the note that there was no money left. That really puts a damper on pleasing the people with lots of jelly and donuts.

I wasn't a fan of that version of labour, but it was the financial collapse of 2008 that was the biggest cause, not labour themselves. The tories then made that worse with the cruelness of indefinite austerity.

[user104658]

it has to be remembered the situation they inherited from labour, complete with the note that there was no money left. That really puts a damper on pleasing the people with lots of jelly and donuts.But the idea that the global recession that was occurring at that time was "Labour's doing" is and always has been ridiculous...

[reece(:]

But the idea that the global recession that was occurring at that time was "Labour's doing" is and always has been ridiculous...
Yet that's the narrative the Tories fall back onto each and every time

[Crimson Dynamo]

But the idea that the global recession that was occurring at that time was "Labour's doing" is and always has been ridiculous...

what "global recession"?

in china, russia, malta peru?

[Tom4784]

Yet that's the narrative the Tories fall back onto each and every time

Tories resorting to the political equivalent of Linda Nolan blaming Jim for everything?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NW9REWAAAjfgV.jpg

[user104658]

what "global recession"?



in china, russia, malta peru?OK then the Pan-European / North American recession, if we're being pedantic. The point stands that it wasn't "caused by Labour" and would have occurred no matter who was in power in the UK at the time, or in the lead up.

[MTVN]

EamaBvz74oM

[bots]

OK then the Pan-European / North American recession, if we're being pedantic. The point stands that it wasn't "caused by Labour" and would have occurred no matter who was in power in the UK at the time, or in the lead up.

labour didnt help by selling off all the countries assets prior to the fall. Gold reserves ... all sold .... government estates ... all sold .... telecoms companies, all ****ed purchasing the airwaves from the labour government

If you are running on empty, its gonna hurt when times are tough, and that was entirely labours fault.

[user104658]

labour didnt help by selling off all the countries assets prior to the fall. Gold reserves ... all sold .... government estates ... all sold .... telecoms companies, all ****ed purchasing the airwaves from the labour government



If you are running on empty, its gonna hurt when times are tough, and that was entirely labours fault.It might have slightly eased the landing but the fact is, any developed economy with significant links to the United States was sucked into that recession and there was literally no way for the UK, of all places, to avoid that. Better management might have shaved 0.5-1% off of the percentage figure but it would still have been recession... And also... We call it "the Labour trend" of selling off assets, but really it was the neoliberal trend sparked by Thatcher that set us off down that path, and David Cameron continued down it well past 2009 as well. Plenty of national assets down the drain since the Tories came back into power :shrug:.

[arista]

EamaBvz74oM


Fantastic Remix.

[Twosugars]

OK then the Pan-European / North American recession, if we're being pedantic. The point stands that it wasn't "caused by Labour" and would have occurred no matter who was in power in the UK at the time, or in the lead up.
Completely right, TS. But we can't allow facts to get in the way of political ****-stirring can we

[joeysteele]

The financial crash may well have been worse had the Conservatives been in power at the time.

Because under David Cameron, the Conservatives attacked Labour for regulating the Banks too much.
They wanted the Banks regulated less.

A major mess was going to be in place no matter who was in power at the time.

[arista]

[Their first decision was to
go on holiday': EU's Verhofstadt fears
UK will waste Brexit delay
Guy Verhofstadt says the delay
is "too near for a substantial
rethink of Brexit" and
"too far away to prompt any action".]


https://news.sky.com/story/their-first-decision-was-to-go-on-holiday-eu-fears-uk-will-waste-brexit-delay-11695220

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

1118446631555407872

[bots]

She has tried to stop us leaving without a deal which isn't being a snake

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/17/14/12389552-6931385-The_dramatic_changes_in_the_state_of_the_race_to_M ay_23_could_re-m-18_1555508578764.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/17/14/12389124-0-image-a-16_1555507829304.jpg

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/17/14/12389124-0-image-a-16_1555507829304.jpg

No surprises at all there


The General Election will be similar carnage if we don't leave, as there is no remain party as such, the independents missed a trick they should have called themselves the No Brexit Party :laugh:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4Xv9oPWwAAvyAe.jpg

[Smithy]

No surprises at all there


The General Election will be similar carnage if we don't leave, as there is no remain party as such, the independents missed a trick they should have called themselves the No Brexit Party :laugh:

Green are a remain party

[Cherie]

Green are a remain party

I dont see remainers voting for them in the Euros do you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

King Nigel

[The Slim Reaper]

https://news.sky.com/story/technological-solution-to-irish-border-issue-could-be-a-decade-away-says-home-office-document-11696337

The possibility of a technological solution to the Brexit Northern Ireland border issue could be more than a decade away, according to a Home Office document seen by Sky News.

A presentation drawn up by the Home Secretary's Policy Unit and sent to HMRC and the Treasury implies that they think a technological solution - which would aim to keep the Irish border entirely open and without physical checkpoints - is a distant (and likely very expensive) prospect.

The authors state that the technology would likely not be ready to be deployed in the UK until 2030.

A technological solution to the Irish border quagmire has been much trumpeted by Brexiteers for months, if not years.

It has been at the centre of Tory efforts to find an alternative to the much hated "Irish backstop", which would involve a basic customs union for the whole of the UK with the EU and Northern Ireland moving closer to EU regulations on goods.

That would keep the border open but at a cost, its detractors say, of diluting Brexit and keeping Britain in a trading regime against its will.

The report does come up with a solution, albeit a highly complicated one.

[arista]

1119171354836783104

[Cherie]

Not Nige tipping Mrs Mays deal over the line :omgno:

[Sticks]

If the Brexit party is due to sweep the board at the EU elections, is that not motive enough for Theresa and Labour to come to an accommodation to push a withdrawal bill through the house?

[user104658]

The funny thing is, these stats indicate that only around 30% of the electorate support a no-deal Brexit... Vs 70% requiring a trade deal or customs union of some sort. Which is actually a pretty strong reason to not let "no deal" happen.

[Nicky91]

well those who actually believed UK would be financially well off after no deal brexit, pretty much delusional

and its okay to leave the eu, but do it in the way the british people won't suffer

[Sticks]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Still leaving without a deal
Still leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
Still leaving without a deal

In October or even 01 June according to one source

[arista]

If the Brexit party is due to sweep the board at the EU elections, is that not motive enough for Theresa and Labour to come to an accommodation to push a withdrawal bill through the house?


Yes but Labour demands
are not agreed by the PM
so far.

[arista]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Still leaving without a deal
Still leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
Still leaving without a deal

In October or even 01 June according to one source

Sure that's still there
but so far the PM has said NO.

[Nicky91]

Sure that's still there
but so far the PM has said NO.

it could be either a deal, or no brexit at all


those are the 2 options which i can think of being the outcome the most now

[arista]

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[arista]

1119598846663909381

[arista]

Derbyshire Local Conservatives
are saying the will not stand in the EU Elections,23 of May .
This why the BREXIT Party getting the High numbers
for the EU Elections


Reported today on SkyNewsHD

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4nDY4oXkAA1RjO.jpg

[arista]

1120267917969514496


Brexit Party 3rd
massive Jump upwards

[arista]

1121089050990075906


The PM stays in her job
until the end on Nov this year.

[bots]

ever get the feeling its been forgotten about

[arista]

ever get the feeling its been forgotten about


It's being debated on TV news today
[All Out Politics SkyNewsHD 2 Hours
and just 45mins BBC2HD Politics Live who had the UKIP leader on.]
But the date of October 31st
is far away.

No one wants another vote
just some Political groups want it

[arista]

also from the Political Reporter Theo
on LBC he said the PM is staying away
from Brexit as this thursday
is Local England and Northern Ireland Elections
that will lose even more votes
if she confirms any of the Labour Brexit Plans
like Custom Union before they vote.

[arista]

The PM is in Westminster Hall
Live taking questions from the Panel of Select Committee on Brexit.




She is getting pissed off
holding her glasses.

Sir Bernard Jenkin MP is nailing her to the floor

[arista]

1123592049683517440



Now Bill Cash MP has her nailed

[arista]

1123592817056669698

[Cherie]

its all gone very quiet....

[Nicky91]

its all gone very quiet....

most of uk's interest now in European Parliament vote maybe :think:

[arista]

its all gone very quiet....


Of course it has
its the Local Elections
https://e3.365dm.com/19/05/768x432/skynews-local-elections-2019_4657359.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190503030530

[Cherie]

Of course it has
its the Local Elections
https://e3.365dm.com/19/05/768x432/skynews-local-elections-2019_4657359.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190503030530



the operative word being local....

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/2cmHHA3583WgQzvg8A8aoQ/https/storify.com/services/proxy/2/TCOAIBUoi-_MN0zjiMMYyQ/https/storify.com/services/proxy/2/Rx2-3rYE7jiUFr_7nUXBtw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/MgquyDrRQgCgqtgIA8qV_TheSundayTelegraph.JPG

Of Course
any future PM and Labour EU Deal
has to get through parliament.
All down to the numbers


https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/4olsnxtRtYKFv8n9Pwji_g/https/storify.com/services/proxy/2/Sy0N_EcVyntbasH243sFlA/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/JMSPmGqLStutMO9YCJBN_TheObserver.JPG
Meanwhile Any New Conservative- Labour Deal
will split the votes

[arista]

1124957663077519360

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1125146412587655168/cDIFzKlC?format=jpg&name=600x314

[The Slim Reaper]

1113801903727620101

[Tom4784]

1113801903727620101

'We've had enough of experts!' Brexiters when financial experts told them the ramifications of leaving on the economy before the vote. I'm pretty sure the delusion runs so deep that any ill effects of Brexit will likely just be blamed on Remainers even though it makes no sense to do so.

[arista]

1126090086452482049

One Conservative MP
asked the PM top stand down , today at PMQ's

[arista]

Next Thursday 16th with Labour, Conservatives,
Liberal Democrats & the Brexit Party.
are Live 7:30PM -9PM LBC EU Election Debate Ian dale

This Thursday with Change UK, Green Party, Plaid Cymru & UKIP.
Live LBC Ian Dale EU Election debate 7:30PM -9PM

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/d3j-swwxkaa7yxb.jpg

1126670175384662016

[Cherie]

1126670175384662016

:umm2: who are these people, they look about 12

[The Slim Reaper]

:umm2: who are these people, they look about 12

9 or 12 Cherie? Make up your goddamn mind.

If you click on grey arrow of Arista's post, it will show you. For some reason the image wouldn't show up in the quote.

[Cherie]

9 or 12 Cherie? Make up your goddamn mind.

If you click on grey arrow of Arista's post, it will show you. For some reason the image wouldn't show up in the quote.

I have played the video, is one of these people the head of the Las Vegas Chapter?

[The Slim Reaper]

I have played the video, is one of these people the head of the Las Vegas Chapter?

Yeah, if you click on the tweet it will open up the thread and it will show you more about who/what turning point are.

[Cherie]

Yeah, if you click on the tweet it will open up the thread and it will show you more about who/what turning point are.

Revolting, they are so young as well, we just seem to be replicating generations where nothing changes

[GiRTh]

Revolting, they are so young as well, we just seem to be replicating generations where nothing changes:thumbs: To all this, particularly the bit in bold.

[arista]

1126670175384662016


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3J-SwWXkAA7Yxb.jpg


Thats the Image Slim
would not post again.

[arista]

Blair was on Ridge SkyNewsHD 9:03AM
saying Do Not Vote Labour in the Eu Elections.
I think the Labour Voters are well aware of that
if they bother to vote ..........................


Blair not saying any new.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6Td7GCXsAAsGKA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1127213231834112001/DGQh1i7s?format=jpg&name=600x314

[bots]

Labour now saying that they can't provide enough votes for a deal without going back for another ref

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48245499

[arista]

Labour now saying that they can't provide enough votes for a deal without going back for another ref

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48245499


Except the Labour Leader does not want a 2nd Vote

[bots]

Except the Labour Leader does not want a 2nd Vote

May won't budge an inch if success is not guaranteed in a commons vote with labours support. It's basically running the clock down again. If there is going to be another ref, better it is on her deal than one watered down by labour.

[arista]

https://images.spot.im/v1/production/nu7mkk9dfxoum05ybnxk
Olly Robbins (Negotiating Lead Civil Servant for EU)
has left for Brussels
but no one can see him until Tomorrow.

1128186169756405761

[arista]

1128629347160612865


Today at PMQ's

[arista]

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[bots]

Brexit talks between the Conservatives and Labour are about to close without an agreement, the BBC has learned.

Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will now move to a second phase, aimed at agreeing on a process for Parliamentary votes designed to find a consensus.

It comes after Mrs May promised to set a timetable for leaving Downing Street following the next Brexit vote in June.

Ex-Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has said he will stand in the Conservative leadership election that will follow.

The UK was due to leave the EU on 29 March but the deadline was pushed back to 31 October after MPs rejected Mrs May's proposed deal - the withdrawal agreement that was negotiated with the EU - three times.

That prompted attempts to find a way to end the impasse through cross-party talks between Labour and the Conservatives.

But BBC Newsnight political editor Nicholas Watt said Tory whips had given up hope of finding agreement with the Labour leader on a Brexit deal.

He said on the other side of the negotiating table "Labour has fears about the durability of a deal agreed with a weak prime minister".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

[arista]

Yes a Waste of 8 weeks.

Eu Elections next Thursday 23rd
but the results not until late Sunday Night 26th
New Conservative Leader June -July - August
then
Possible getting out of the EU

[Sticks]

We're Leaving without a deal
We're Leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
We're Leaving without a deal

[arista]

We're Leaving without a deal
We're Leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
We're Leaving without a deal


What Date?

[Sticks]

31 October

[arista]

31 October


Thats Horror Night

[arista]

1129271348017205249

Well Done Lady
telling off the SNP.


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[arista]

https://order-order.com/2019/05/18/marr-planning-no-pro-brexit-politicans-last-show-euro-elections/

Typical BBC

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D63cv0oXoAE37wS.jpg

[Twosugars]

Yes a Waste of 8 weeks.

Eu Elections next Thursday 23rd
but the results not until late Sunday Night 26th
New Conservative Leader June -July - August
then
Possible getting out of the EU

2 ref and staying in :dance:

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3996/production/_107024741_metro.jpg
One Front Page
for Sticks.

[joeysteele]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3996/production/_107024741_metro.jpg
One Front Page
for Sticks.

The thing is.
The present parliamentary arithmetic will not allow no deal.
MPs will demand a vote on probably either a no deal or now revoking article 50.

No way will this set of MPs support leaving with no deal.
The alternative to not Mrs Mays/ EU deal.
Are then, No Deal, or Revoke Article 50.

A new election with a resurgent Farage with his Party, will make the parliamentary arithmetic harder for no deal.

As Labour would likely be the largest party, who with the SNP and Lib Dems.
No deal would be well and truly out of even consideration then, never mind any possibility.

Maybe a new deal could be struck with the EU.
If not, then the only other choice is a new vote on the way forward or revoking article 50.

I cannot see a general election coming, unless the Conservative starts to split worse than now.
So as it stands.
I cannot see No Deal at all.

I hope we get a welcome lift in who wins the Conservative leadership election.
Like on Marr yesterday.
Rory Stewart for instance.
He says the gap between the Conservative government and Labour is barely half an inch.

Someone of his calibre, I think could move things forward by consensus and likely quickly too.
If I was Conservative, I'd want Rory Stewart as leader.
I think he could turn things all around for the better.

That would be good for not only the Conservatives but for UK politics too.
Hopefully too to start to heal the awful acidic divisions left that has been generated from that EU referendum, among many voters.

[bots]

i've been saying for a while that the only viable options are no deal or revoke. If mp's wanted to leave the eu with a deal, they would already have done so. It's all been a huge exercise in obfuscation. Those brexeteers voting the deal down know that no deal then becomes the only option, they are not stupid.

These cross party talks have had one purpose, to run the clock down .... the government are already saying there isn't now sufficient time to have a ref and get the required legislation through parliament. I didn't want to leave the EU, but the whole thing has been the biggest con job in history. There was never going to be a deal

[joeysteele]

i've been saying for a while that the only viable options are no deal or revoke. If mp's wanted to leave the eu with a deal, they would already have done so. It's all been a huge exercise in obfuscation. Those brexeteers voting the deal down know that no deal then becomes the only option, they are not stupid.

These cross party talks have had one purpose, to run the clock down .... the government are already saying there isn't now sufficient time to have a ref and get the required legislation through parliament. I didn't want to leave the EU, but the whole thing has been the biggest con job in history. There was never going to be a deal


You have posted really interesting posts on this.

Can you however really see no deal being permitted by this Parliament.
The call will surely be from a majority of MPs, to hold a vote on no deal or revoke.
No deal has been thrown out in votes before.

Are the Conservatives who hate the thought of no deal, going to hand it on a plate to the ERG of their own Party.
Will the DUP even.

I think not.
I really don't see a general election changing things much at all.
Maybe get a handful of Brexit party MPs but a hung Parliament still.
A new referendum pointless in my view.

If a new referendum were to ask remain, or leave with no deal only, you'd get a clear decision.
MPs wanting a new referendum not wanting one without remain on the paper however.

If it asked.
This deal, no deal or remain.
You'd likely get no clear majority for one of those options.
Maybe around 40% no deal.
Around 40% remain.
The rest voting for this deal.

The EU would I think anyway, extend the deadline date to hold a new referendum.
They'd welcome too revoking article 50.

I just cannot see MPs supporting or allowing a no deal scenario.
Any side of any general election.

A long way to go.
I also think Boris Johnson, were he elected leader.
He'd either do a turncoat act ,once he got the job, and cave in more to the more against no deal voices.
Or really stick to his stance now and damage the Conservative party and split it really badly.

I think any other brexit supporting MP would lead to the likely split of the Conservatives too.
Unless they were to rule out no deal too.

Thereby still ending a no deal scenario.

[bots]

The longer it goes on, the more likely article 50 will be revoked. I can't call how it's going to end up, who can .... but whatever, i am disgusted by the deceit shown by all party's in parliament.

[The Slim Reaper]

We're leaving without a deal, the language in the press/from tories has been changing on this over the last few weeks. I actually think no deal is the most likely scenario. The fear of not giving the troglodytes what they want holds more fear than ruining the economy for years.

[James]

No deal wouldn't be politically sustainable even if it happened by default - with most of the MPs being against it.

The only way that would change is if there was a general election, and a lot more Leave supporting MPs were elected, and that seems to me unlikely.

[arista]

PM Theresa May will reveal details of her "new deal" on Brexit in a speech
Around 4PM today


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/may/21/brexit-latest-news-developments-cabinet-to-discuss-latest-brexit-offer-to-mps-as-ministers-feud-in-public-over-no-deal-live-news

[arista]

PM Live Now all media


https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-reveal-details-of-brexit-new-deal-in-speech-11725510



New Brexit Deal - she just said

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[arista]

1130854774247530497



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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7GeVBkU0AE-tzB.jpg

Update: 5:36PM
Nigel Evans just said Live on SkyNewsHD he will not vote on this New Brexit Deal - he just wants a new leader.
5:46PM Labour Leader said No He Will Not Support it.

And
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And
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[arista]

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[Cherie]

These are very unfortunate photos of May, maybe if the Press took her seriously rather than trying to send her up all the time and make her even more of a laughing stock

[arista]

1130940872445579264

A woman using a Phone and speaker/mic
destroys a interview.

[joeysteele]

If Theresa May's premiership had been a fiction based soap.
The belief would have likely been it was unbelievably far fetched and near impossible for such failure and incompetence to happen.

She as PM, has proven again the saying, truth is stranger than fiction.

Any other PM, instead of clinging on so desperately for personal reasons, would have cleared off.

She doesn't have to stay in the job, she shouldn't stay in the job, in fact in my view, she should never have had the job.

This circus she has created as to her premiership, really needs to have the big top brought down on it.

They got Margaret Thatcher out in around 2 weeks.
Someone who was a strong leader with strong conviction to her aims.
Who'd won 3 elections handsomely.

This waste of space was never PM material.
This farce of rearranging this and that with no solid changes, is pathetic and just more of her deceit.

Just go, for goodness sake.
Already I'm personally sure history will record May as the worst PM the UK has had.
Piling more failure on, as she is doing, will only ensure that even more.

I've never liked her I know and long before she was PM.
However when my Conservative diehard supporter friends keep saying, they can't believe a word she says, I realise the problem easily that she has become, to any real moves forward on brexit or in fact anything else.

[bots]

TM was given the job by default. She called an election that anyone half competent would have won by a landslide at the time. She showed at that point she wasn't fit for the job, the conservative party should have removed her as leader there and then. Tories can moan and groan all they like about her now, but they had the power to remove her after the election and chose not to, because no-one wanted the job ... they are responsible, not her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

farcical

all she is doing is trying bit by bit to change - yes we are leaving to no we are not, to persuade a house that is remain

[arista]

farcical

all she is doing is trying bit by bit to change - yes we are leaving to no we are not, to persuade a house that is remain

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Brexit-news-Gina-Miller-UK-EU-latest-906962.jpg
Yes its all that Rich Women's fault
who went to the courts to force it
to going through votes.

[bots]

The knives are out for May now from her own cabinet after today's performance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48366977


The prime minister is facing growing calls to resign amid a backlash against her Brexit plan from Conservative MPs.

Several cabinet ministers have told the BBC that she cannot stay, with one saying it is "the end of the line".

Others, though, insist Theresa May should push on with her plan to put her Withdrawal Agreement Bill to a vote.

Mrs May's own MPs have been unhappy with the concessions she has set out in the bill, but she has called for "compromise on all sides".

The BBC's political editor says Home Secretary Sajid Javid has asked to see the PM to push her to remove the second referendum vote requirement contained in the Withdrawal Agreement Bill.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt has also requested a private meeting with the PM.

Both men are seen as possible contenders to be the next Conservative leader.

Laura Kuenssberg also said the so-called "Pizza Club" of Brexiteer cabinet members met while Mrs May was answering questions in the House earlier - a move she described as "a bad omen for the PM".

[Twosugars]

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Brexit-news-Gina-Miller-UK-EU-latest-906962.jpg
Yes its all that Rich Women's fault
who went to the courts to force it
to going through votes.

it's called democracy Arista and rule of law upheld by the courts
law of the land as you're so fond of saying

[arista]

it's called democracy Arista and rule of law upheld by the courts
law of the land as you're so fond of saying


Yes it is
Twosugars

[Sticks]

One of the bonuses of the Hard No Deal Brexit we are now going to have by default is more jobs for British workers

The withdrawal agreement which will never ever get through the House of Commons, thanks to the Real Brexit Party voting it down, alternatively known as the Labour Party, has the rights for EU nationals. When we crash out with No Deal, AS WE ARE GOING TO DO, the EU nationals will no longer have the right to work in this country and all employers will have to dismiss them on the spot with no recompense.

This means that all their jobs will go to British workers.

So thanks to the Real Brexit, sorry Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn it will be as a neighbour of mine, who supports No Deal for this reason, British Jobs for British workers ONLY!!!

I also suspect he means Whites only as well from some of the things he said, my neighbour that is :shocked: :bored:

[arista]

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[reece(:]

Caroline Lucas and Layla Moran on the same episode of Politics Live :love:

[GiRTh]

UYonSZ8s3_o:thumbs:

[GiRTh]

9fx9DdxiB3k:thumbs:

[GiRTh]

ka8ZUKjy04o:thumbs:

[Sticks]

UYonSZ8s3_o:thumbs:


More of Project fear on industrial strength steroids!!!!

When we leave on No Deal under Prime Minister Boris, we will have £350 a week for the NHS, this has been proved true and it would not have been put on that bus if it we not so, but the evil experts have hidden it from Google!!!

When we leave on no deal, all the EU nationals will have no right to work, and will have to be sacked with no redundancy and then all their jobs will be snapped up by proper British workers, and we no what we mean by "Proper British" don't we - We mean Whites only, because that's what we voted for on 23 June 2016

Well that's what some leavers I have spoken to would have us believe. I have a neighbour who believes all immigrants and black people come to take our benefits and mug our "white" pensioners. He was quite vociferous about it, British jobs for British workers, and by his tone of voice he meant white British.

This is what that first referendum did to our country, it has legitimised racism and yet Leave voters refuse to countenance that. I know this to be true, as on Saturday 25 June 2016 I was at the opening of Vicolo a new coffee shop attached to Tyneside Cinema, when the EDL came marching right passed our alley way in a victory march and then held a rally at the Monument.

[arista]

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[Alf]

More of Project fear on industrial strength steroids!!!!

When we leave on No Deal under Prime Minister Boris, we will have £350 a week for the NHS, this has been proved true and it would not have been put on that bus if it we not so, but the evil experts have hidden it from Google!!!

When we leave on no deal, all the EU nationals will have no right to work, and will have to be sacked with no redundancy and then all their jobs will be snapped up by proper British workers, and we no what we mean by "Proper British" don't we - We mean Whites only, because that's what we voted for on 23 June 2016

Well that's what some leavers I have spoken to would have us believe. I have a neighbour who believes all immigrants and black people come to take our benefits and mug our "white" pensioners. He was quite vociferous about it, British jobs for British workers, and by his tone of voice he meant white British.

This is what that first referendum did to our country, it has legitimised racism and yet Leave voters refuse to countenance that. I know this to be true, as on Saturday 25 June 2016 I was at the opening of Vicolo a new coffee shop attached to Tyneside Cinema, when the EDL came marching right passed our alley way in a victory march and then held a rally at the Monument.When did the EDL become the face of wanting to leave the EU?

Another snob calling everybody who wants to be an independent country, a racist.

[Ammi]

...excellent videos, Girth..:love:...I’ve only watched two of them so far...just to echo Sticks’ words...I recall just after the EU referendum, I was chatting with an elderly lady in the village I used to live in...she had proudly voted OUT because it was apparently becoming impossible to get a medical appointment at her surgery as the pesky immigrants were prone to taking all of the appointments and this was becoming a real issue especially for elderly people like her...as well as for OUR CHILDREN ...anyways i was obviously curious about this so our conversation grew as I questioned some specific stuff...and the conclusion was that in all of her medical appointments and time spent in the surgery waiting room..?...she had never once seen what she felt could possibly be an immigrant, pesky or otherwise...that also fits with one of the vids of areas of low multi cultural population being some of the more anti immigration, having not actually experienced the positivities of multi culture..?...


...anyways...all very depressing, this unstoppable train we seem to be on with nothing positive to vote for and the popular vote being fear...:sad:...

[Alf]

I was walking to the shop one day and I saw millions of remoaners beating up people of colour, just because they were people of colour.

Are you calling me a liar?

[Sticks]

When did the EDL become the face of wanting to leave the EU?

Another snob calling everybody who wants to be an independent country, a racist.

I was there when the EDL had their victory march.

It was not a prearranged EDL march, it was a victory march because of the leave vote

[Alf]

I was there when the EDL had their victory march.

It was not a prearranged EDL march, it was a victory march because of the leave voteWhat percent of the country are EDL?

[Sticks]

What percent of the country are EDL?
Does that matter, the EDL saw the referendum one on race and immigration, and so did many others, including the neighbour I referred to earlier

All thanks to Nigel Farage, who was effectively branded a racist by Allen Sked, the real founder of UKIP in a 2014 article in the Guardian.

[Alf]

Does that matter, the EDL saw the referendum one on race and immigration, and so did many others, including the neighbour I referred to earlier

All thanks to Nigel Farage, who was effectively branded a racist by Allen Sked, the real founder of UKIP in a 2014 article in the Guardian.I don't believe anybody viewed the referendum on race, and what is wrong with viewing it on immigration?

[arista]

...excellent videos, Girth..:love:...I’ve only watched two of them so far...just to echo Sticks’ words...I recall just after the EU referendum, I was chatting with an elderly lady in the village I used to live in...she had proudly voted OUT because it was apparently becoming impossible to get a medical appointment at her surgery as the pesky immigrants were prone to taking all of the appointments and this was becoming a real issue especially for elderly people like her...as well as for OUR CHILDREN ...anyways i was obviously curious about this so our conversation grew as I questioned some specific stuff...and the conclusion was that in all of her medical appointments and time spent in the surgery waiting room..?...she had never once seen what she felt could possibly be an immigrant, pesky or otherwise...that also fits with one of the vids of areas of low multi cultural population being some of the more anti immigration, having not actually experienced the positivities of multi culture..?...


...anyways...all very depressing, this unstoppable train we seem to be on with nothing positive to vote for and the popular vote being fear...:sad:...


For Kids? at your school?
Clever Old News Edits
Russell Brand? Again that old edit Video 2.

Video 3 even uses WW2 at the end - Ammi do you Understand Propaganda


None of it is up to date Ammi.
Deal with the Current news is far better.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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err no Boris, its far from clear given there was only one Brexit party (not counting Ukip as they guy didnt even turn up for his own count :laugh:) and many parties that supported remain

[Vicky.]

Well that's what some leavers I have spoken to would have us believe. I have a neighbour who believes all immigrants and black people come to take our benefits and mug our "white" pensioners. He was quite vociferous about it, British jobs for British workers, and by his tone of voice he meant white British.

This is what that first referendum did to our country, it has legitimised racism and yet Leave voters refuse to countenance that. I know this to be true, as on Saturday 25 June 2016 I was at the opening of Vicolo a new coffee shop attached to Tyneside Cinema, when the EDL came marching right passed our alley way in a victory march and then held a rally at the Monument.

Yup. A fair few I know have started being openly racist, instead of 'hiding it' as they did before, its depressing as **** how many 'friends' have turned out to be utter tosspots and did basically see the vote as 'well more than half the country hates immigrants too..ha' :umm2:

Of course not all leavers are racist, and there are legitimate reasons for the vote. But sadly, it seems a hell of a lot voted because 'immimgrants'..and even think that a deal is possible where we keep free trade but rid the country of immigrants and basically say 'no, we are closed'. Meanwhile British people should of course be able to emmigrate elsewhere.

I actually know a few older people who are exactly the same as Ammis example. Also about doctors appointments they cannot get because immigrants, yet will admit they have never seen anyone they would class as 'an immigrant' (read, person who is not white) in the waiting room, so it makes no sense at all to say you can't get an appointment because the immigrants are taking over. Yet, they stick to that belief..

I know one who thinks her pension will be taken from her because so many immigrants are arriving from Syria (so..refugees instead.. not that that these people seem to recognise the difference) and getting benefits so the country cannot afford pensions anymore. Quite where she got that from, **** knows.

The immigrants situation is odd because basicaslly, they are taking all our jobs, while simultaneously coming here specifically to not work and claim benefits. It simply can't be both. But it is apparently..

I thought you were a 'no dealer' sticks? Unless you are one of the 'few' who voted leave, want no deal but can still call out the obvious racism in a lot of voters I guess.

[Twosugars]

When did the EDL become the face of wanting to leave the EU?

Another snob calling everybody who wants to be an independent country, a racist.

Alf how did Tommy do? Could you bring us up to date?

[arista]

Alf how did Tommy do? Could you bring us up to date?



He got a few thousand votes
but not enough to win.
He left the count early

[Sticks]

Vicky - For the record I voted and campaigned for Remain, but have not gone for this second people's vote, as it won't work.

What I wanted, but it never happened, was for the first vote to be declared nul and void. With all the lies by the Leave side and the violation of election rules regarding finance, now proven, had this been any other election, then the electoral court would have thrown out the result, as they have in the past with some bye-elections and ordered it re-run.

Unfortunately the leaders of the Remain side never sought this legal challenge...

[Vicky.]

Vicky - For the record I voted and campaigned for Remain, but have not gone for this second people's vote, as it won't work.

What I wanted, but it never happened, was for the first vote to be declared nul and void. With all the lies by the Leave side and the violation of election rules regarding finance, now proven, had this been any other election, then the electoral court would have thrown out the result, as they have in the past with some bye-elections and ordered it re-run.

Unfortunately the leaders of the Remain side never sought this legal challenge...

Well yes. I don't really get why that wasn't pursued tbh.

I must have you mixed up with someone else, sorry about that. Was sure you had been posting about how great a no deal would be. Unless you were but were pisstaking or something :p

[Sticks]

Was sure you had been posting about how great a no deal would be. Unless you were but were pisstaking or something :p

I was being, ironic, sarcastic and satirical. Showing how bad it is by showing it en extremis, in the process caricaturing the extreme leavers, which watching the news today, they seem to be adequately doing that all by themselves. :bored:

But we are where we are :sad:

[user104658]

Well yes. I don't really get why that wasn't pursued tbh.

I must have you mixed up with someone else, sorry about that. Was sure you had been posting about how great a no deal would be. Unless you were but were pisstaking or something :p

Honestly I think one of the most damning things about TiBB (and maybe the UK in general at the moment?) is that it wasn't clear whether or not Sticks' over-the-top Brexit celebrations and songs were real or satire. At first you think "haha this has to be poking fun" and then you start to wonder, because it wouldn't be abnormal for people to be doing that genuinely at this point!

As the creators of South Park put it; It's difficult to make satire now that "satire has become reality" :joker: ... ... :umm2:

[Vicky.]

Well yeah, its getting harder and harder to recognise satire because so many actual opinions come over exactly the same, its scary really!

Sorry for thinking you had lost your mind a bit sticks, I honestly didn't click on and thought you were just one of the 'brexit means brexit!!!!11' type people :laugh:

[arista]

Bloody BBCnewsHD
on the roof of Parliament

But Big Bully Protester Steve Bray
keeps Shouting up to the Hi Def mics

Get the Police to remove him , again.


https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P9B708/london-uk-17th-july-2018-metropolitan-police-officers-speak-to-anti-brexit-activist-steve-bray-of-sodem-stand-of-defiance-european-movement-on-college-green-credit-mark-kerrisonalamy-live-news-P9B708.jpg
A Image Big Billy Protester Steve Bray a few months ago
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[Sticks]

Well yeah, its getting harder and harder to recognise satire because so many actual opinions come over exactly the same, its scary really!

Sorry for thinking you had lost your mind a bit sticks, I honestly didn't click on and thought you were just one of the 'brexit means brexit!!!!11' type people :laugh:

One way I work is to put forward a ridiculously extreme proposition and see how many people agree with it. It can be frightening and depressing how many out there will salute the flags I run up the proverbial flag pole.

One example I came up with was at the time when there was that plot to blow up aircraft with liquid explosives. I postulated to one guy, that as cloth can soak up liquid, and by inference a liquid explosive, then people should fly completely naked. And the guy went along with it, saying something along the lines of, if that's what it takes!!!

Lets hear it for Naturist Airlines, guaranteed to be secure flying... :dance:

[Cherie]

Honestly I think one of the most damning things about TiBB (and maybe the UK in general at the moment?) is that it wasn't clear whether or not Sticks' over-the-top Brexit celebrations and songs were real or satire. At first you think "haha this has to be poking fun" and then you start to wonder, because it wouldn't be abnormal for people to be doing that genuinely at this point!

As the creators of South Park put it; It's difficult to make satire now that "satire has become reality" :joker: ... ... :umm2:

I was really confused by Sticks stance as well :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes one sad bus that no one saw until after the ref, against a £12 million quid sent to every household in the UK 14 page document form her Mag government telling people that if they dont vote remain the sky will fall in

i mean its not even close is it, poor remain, how they were treated....

lol

[Alf]

Alf how did Tommy do? Could you bring us up to date?Did he get the biggest vote ever for a first time independent?

I don't know if that's true or not, but I have heard that today.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Twosugars]

I was really confused by Sticks stance as well :laugh:

It was obvs he was taking the piss:hee:

[Twosugars]

Arista, do resize your pics please :fist:

[arista]

Arista, do resize your pics please :fist:


done

[Cherie]

It was obvs he was taking the piss:hee:


Maybe to you

[arista]

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This was planned before the PM resigned

[reece(:]

sBSKxELIxG4

He speaks sense

[arista]

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[Sticks]

This is exactly what I was predicting Boris would have to do, and what will happen so we can leap gloriously free from the EU with no scuzzy deals to a golden age where we get £350m A WEEK for the NHS. Where all the EU nationals here are summarily dismissed from their jobs, as they will have no rights whatsoever especially the right to work or remain in our green and pleasant land so Brits can have them - Full employment at last British Jobs for British Workers ONLY - (EU Nationals rights were in that hated evil EU Withdrawal agreement that we have been spared from ratifying)

et al.. :bored: .

[bots]

sBSKxELIxG4

He speaks sense

i like him ... hopefully he will be a contender for leader in the future

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Sticks]

Where is the peition to suspend parliament until 04 November so we can crash - sorry leap gloriously free of the EU (Hitler's Plan B so I heard on one radio programme) with no stinking deals without pesky MP's trying to block No Deal.

If you MP does not support NO DEAL, Deselect them, tar and feather them, brand them as traitors and run them out of town...

Kick out all EU Nationals after rounding them into camps

Sorry, just need to wipe the foam from my mouth

That was a Party Political Broadcast by the Brexit Party, UKIP and other hangers on from the BNP...

(Other far right racist groups are available)

:bored:

[Twosugars]

That was a Party Political Broadcast by the Brexit Party, UKIP and other hangers on from the BNP...

(Other far right racist groups are available)

:bored:
:laugh:
Sticks, never change :love: