The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[joeysteele]

lets look at an extreme example of being independent in Europe - Russia. The rest of europe tolerate them because they have a formidable fighting force and they are a source of vital resources that Europe needs for survival.

If Russia were a part of the EU, there would be much less tension, people would negotiate and cooperate.

While the UK will never be seen as the threat that Russia is, it doesn't have vital resources required by the EU either. We would forever be considered the loud mouthed silly nation that only thinks of itself. How is that a good position to be in? The moment we leave the EU, we will become a pest that people want to swat at every opportunity. That's the reality of leaving the EU.

That's a really good observation and projection of our possible 'status' of sorts once we leave.
Well mentioned.

[Kizzy]

Did I say Murdoch? No...

I said if, if you meant Murdock. I hear you didn't mean him, however my thoughts on his affiliation stand.

[Jack_]

If you mean Murdock then I think that'll just sway more people to remain tbh, everyone knows everything in his rags are lies.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Sun has backed the eventual largest party at every election since 1979 :(

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Don't know how to embed tweets, but Robert Peston, ITV's political editor, tweeted that the postal votes coming in seem to be 'massively weighted to leave', particularly in Labour heartlands.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I don't think this is particularly above board, or representative/scientific for that matter, but it could be an indication that the vote will not be as close as I thought.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Don't know how to embed tweets, but Robert Peston, ITV's political editor, tweeted that the postal votes coming in seem to be 'massively weighted to leave', particularly in Labour heartlands.

There is no way he can have any other information than from the people who have the postal vote so this will b e only from the people who have voted and that they are in fact telling the truth too.

No way can he have any official info as to the content of postal votes already received.
That would cause outrage of any officials to reveal anything before the poll takes place and voting is ended.

However,I think the postal votes will be more for leave as the people who use the postal vote more are older voters and there is no doubt the likely majority of them by a good margin will be voting to leave.

I also do know of many Labour voters who will be voting leave, so quite frankly I do think this vote is lost for David Cameron and the govt.
I hope not but hope alone does not win elections and referendums.

[empire]

voters in the labour heartlands are sticking two fingers at dodgy dave, and also the very loyal party they voted for, who are so pro eu, the labour party will turn pale after what there loyal voters will do to them, and they should of learned there lesson after taking the scots for granted, in the last election,

[DemolitionRed]

voters in the labour heartlands are sticking two fingers at dodgy dave, and also the very loyal party they voted for, who are so pro eu, the labour party will turn pale after what there loyal voters will do to them, and they should of learned there lesson after taking the scots for granted, in the last election,

I won't be abandoning my support for the Labour party. We all know how Corbyn feels about the EU. The Labour party are just hedging their bets.

[DemolitionRed]

There is no way he can have any other information than from the people who have the postal vote so this will b e only from the people who have voted and that they are in fact telling the truth too.

No way can he have any official info as to the content of postal votes already received.
That would cause outrage of any officials to reveal anything before the poll takes place and voting is ended.

However,I think the postal votes will be more for leave as the people who use the postal vote more are older voters and there is no doubt the likely majority of them by a good margin will be voting to leave.

I also do know of many Labour voters who will be voting leave, so quite frankly I do think this vote is lost for David Cameron and the govt.
I hope not but hope alone does not win elections and referendums.

Having worked in polling stations, I know that the biggest turn out on the day will be retirees. Applying for a postal vote means you have to know how to apply and many elderly people either don't have internet or find the internet confusing. Parties have droves of volunteers picking the elderly up and bringing them to the polling station. I've seen coaches dropping off 50 at a time.

The majority using postal votes are either out of the country because its holiday season or have severe physical disabilities.

[joeysteele]

Having worked in polling stations, I know that the biggest turn out on the day will be retirees. Applying for a postal vote means you have to know how to apply and many elderly people either don't have internet or find the internet confusing. Parties have droves of volunteers picking the elderly up and bringing them to the polling station. I've seen coaches dropping off 50 at a time.

The majority using postal votes are either out of the country because its holiday season or have severe physical disabilities.

Earlier this year I helped many elderly get registered for a postal vote.
Never once using the internet,just a phone and the post.

While I agree also that masses of the elderly still like to make that full effort to go and vote how they always did, a greater number over the last few years have now applied and have a postal vote.
When I have been helping at polling stations,I see a good mix of people, of which I admit the elderly do make a good part.
Depends where you are in the Country I guess.

Some polling stations are really busy,others may as well not be there.

I do still believe with respect the greater number of postal voters will be from the older generation plus of course from those sick and disabled too.

[the truth]

Earlier this year I helped many elderly get registered for a postal vote.
Never once using the internet,just a phone and the post.

While I agree also that masses of the elderly still like to make that full effort to go and vote how they always did, a greater number over the last few years have now applied and have a postal vote.
When I have been helping at polling stations,I see a good mix of people, of which I admit the elderly do make a good part.
Depends where you are in the Country I guess.

Some polling stations are really busy,others may as well not be there.

I do still believe with respect the greater number of postal voters will be from the older generation plus of course from those sick and disabled too.

dda iawn

[joeysteele]

dda iawn

That's something or quite good in Welsh isn't it?

[James]

Scenes on the Thames today:
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[arista]

So Osborne is trying to blackmail
everyone now
he says taxes will go up after Brexit
but all Labour / SNP/ and most Conservative
would block his Vote.


So feck off Osborne

http://news.sky.com/story/1712315/bring-us-the-head-of-george-osborne

[smudgie]

So Osborne is trying to blackmail
everyone now
he says taxes will go up after Brexit
but all Labour / SNP/ and most Conservative
would block his Vote.


So feck off Osborne

http://news.sky.com/story/1712315/bring-us-the-head-of-george-osborne

poor Georgie..signing his own downfall.
Another of his budgets set to fail.:shrug:

[empire]

bob geldof, biggest tosser in the music industry, when he was flying all over the world for live aid, back in the 80s, he demanded every country, pay him millions into his piggy bank, and it was never given to the poor, he was using africa, for his bank balance, and his pro eu, is a way for him to not get taxed to the hike,

[the truth]

That's something or quite good in Welsh isn't it?

Bendigedig :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Bendigedig :laugh:

:joker:I cannot speak Welsh 'the truth' but I shared a house with guys at UNI,one of whom was Welsh and the first thing you posted,he used to say when he was pleased with something anyone said.

The one above in this post,I do think I may have an idea, is it something like 'great'?

[DemolitionRed]

George Osborne will warn that he would have to fill the £30bn black hole in public finances triggered by a vote to leave the European Union by hiking income tax, alcohol and petrol duties and making massive cuts to the NHS, schools and defence.

In a sign of the panic gripping the remain campaign, the chancellor plans to say that the hit to the economy will be so large that he will have little choice but to tear apart Conservative manifesto promises in an emergency budget delivered within weeks of an out vote. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/14/osborne-predicts-30bn-hole-in-public-finance-if-uk-votes-to-leave-eu?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=177329&subid=280978&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Does Gideon not realize that he won't be around to deliver the next budget!

It should be noted that Osborne was absent from today's PMQs and in addition a point of order was raised about his absence from the following debate on the Opposition Day Debate on the economic benefits of UK membership of the European Union. The Speaker responded that he could not compel the Chancellor to attend but he did express surprise.

[the truth]

I won't be abandoning my support for the Labour party. We all know how Corbyn feels about the EU. The Labour party are just hedging their bets.

hes a coward who has bottled verbalising his thoughts at this most crucial time for our country.....we need someone with backbone

[the truth]

:joker:I cannot speak Welsh 'the truth' but I shared a house with guys at UNI,one of whom was Welsh and the first thing you posted,he used to say when he was pleased with something anyone said.

The one above in this post,I do think I may have an idea, is it something like 'great'?
its all good trust me its all good, its all swmpus :joker:

[MTVN]

I can't believe how reckless ~50% of the voting public are prepared to be about their future. I honestly think that something this important should only be binding if it is voted for by, at a minimum, 55% of people on a 65+% turnout. This referendum isn't some political game, we won't have a vote again like this for decades. It's crazy that our membership of the EU can be decided by the likes of Boris and Farage whipping up fear about immigration late in the day and peddling complete misinformation.

[James]

I've just realised the problem the Remain camp have - no-one really knows what the EU does. For instance you hardly ever hear on the news about decisions taken in Strasbourg or Brussels.

[joeysteele]

I can't believe how reckless ~50% of the voting public are prepared to be about their future. I honestly think that something this important should only be binding if it is voted for by, at a minimum, 55% of people on a 65+% turnout. This referendum isn't some political game, we won't have a vote again like this for decades. It's crazy that our membership of the EU can be decided by the likes of Boris and Farage whipping up fear about immigration late in the day and peddling complete misinformation.

This to me was a misjudgement by the PM and govt.

I have said he could have put locks in place on this referendum to make it binding on the govt.

We now have in Parliament a ruling laid down,in the 5 year fixed parliament law.
That says there even can only be an election called by MPs with the votes of two thirds of them.
Whch means something like 434 MPs have to vote for a election even after a vote of confidence vote that the govt has been defeated on.

He could have stated as you said turnout as a figure and your majority required as an example.
He could also have stated there had to be in fact a two thirds majority to make this binding.
Finally he could have stated that 2 Nations of the UK had to vote each of the 2 ways presented for the result to be binding too.

As it is, it could amazingly really be the case that one single vote majority for remain or one single vote to leave,on any level of turnout, still makes this referendum binding on the govt. now.
What a way to decide such a vitally important issue.

[_Tom_]

Two good short clips - back to basics this is what Brexit is about:

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[kirklancaster]

hes a coward who has bottled verbalising his thoughts at this most crucial time for our country.....we need someone with backbone

EVERYONE SIT DOWN. TAKE A VALIUM:

I NOW HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR JEREMY CORBYN THAN EITHER THAT SLIMY TRAITOR CAMERON OR HIS SNAKE-FACED, ASS LICKER OSBORNE.

There - said it - feel better. :hee:

[kirklancaster]

I've just realised the problem the Remain camp have - no-one really knows what the EU does. For instance you hardly ever hear on the news about decisions taken in Strasbourg or Brussels.

They all sit behind closed doors studying this below to find ever more ways of FECKING US;

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[bots]

I can't believe how reckless ~50% of the voting public are prepared to be about their future. I honestly think that something this important should only be binding if it is voted for by, at a minimum, 55% of people on a 65+% turnout. This referendum isn't some political game, we won't have a vote again like this for decades. It's crazy that our membership of the EU can be decided by the likes of Boris and Farage whipping up fear about immigration late in the day and peddling complete misinformation.

I'm with you on the percentages.

If there are lets say, less than 5% difference between them at the result, then how is that a mandate for being in the EU? I'm on the remain side of the fence, but to give away powers to a foreign group, there should be overwhelming support for it and it sure doesn't look like there is.

We can say fear could be the reason for a percentage of votes on either side, but I don't believe it influences the majority of voters. A significant number just don't want to be in the EU, and for me it neither bodes well for the future or gives being in the EU sufficient mandate.

[kirklancaster]

I'm with you on the percentages.

If there are lets say, less than 5% difference between them at the result, then how is that a mandate for being in the EU? I'm on the remain side of the fence, but to give away powers to a foreign group, there should be overwhelming support for it and it sure doesn't look like there is.

We can say fear could be the reason for a percentage of votes on either side, but I don't believe it influences the majority of voters. A significant number just don't want to be in the EU, and for me it neither bodes well for the future or gives being in the EU sufficient mandate.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1: I know that you deliberated long and hard BOTS before opting to support 'Remain', but I have not been able to fault your very fair and reasoned posts.

[DemolitionRed]

EVERYONE SIT DOWN. TAKE A VALIUM:

I NOW HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR JEREMY CORBYN THAN EITHER THAT SLIMY TRAITOR CAMERON OR HIS SNAKE-FACED, ASS LICKER OSBORNE.

There - said it - feel better. :hee:

Bump :wink:

[Johnnyuk123]

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[empire]

the EU's model of socialism, has made poverty and unempolyment worse or as bad as post war europe, in greece the people their, still dream of the socialist life, like less hours to work, more pay, and early retirement, and yes, no cuts, and where does this money come from, well one country has to bail them out, and the debt gets higher, when thatcher said that the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money, it sums up in what the EU does, if britain had took the euro, we would be near the same situation as venezuela, norway and switzerland have better trade deals than what the eu gives us, switzerland did the right thing a few days ago and said only lunatics may want to join now, and threw out the application forum, I only wish are country did the same years ago.

[arista]

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[Johnnyuk123]

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[DemolitionRed]

the EU's model of socialism, has made poverty and unempolyment worse or as bad as post war europe,

Since when was the EU socialist. That's a ridiculous thing to believe.

in greece the people their, still dream of the socialist life, like less hours to work, more pay, and early retirement, and yes, no cuts, and where does this money come from, well one country has to bail them out, and the debt gets higher,


Of course a socialist style government within the EU couldn't possibly work. It was bound to fail because it understated its deficit and so when Wall Street imploded in 2008, the money pot was empty.


when thatcher said that the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money, it sums up in what the EU does, if britain had took the euro, we would be near the same situation as venezuela, norway and switzerland have better trade deals than what the eu gives us, switzerland did the right thing a few days ago and said only lunatics may want to join now, and threw out the application forum, I only wish are country did the same years ago.

By 'took the euro' do you mean give up our sterling for the euro?
If we had taken the euro we would more likely be in the same position as Greece. The best move we ever made was keeping the £.

[Kizzy]

War costs money...lots of money.
There is no such thing as austerity, only war.

[MTVN]

I'm with you on the percentages.

If there are lets say, less than 5% difference between them at the result, then how is that a mandate for being in the EU? I'm on the remain side of the fence, but to give away powers to a foreign group, there should be overwhelming support for it and it sure doesn't look like there is.

We can say fear could be the reason for a percentage of votes on either side, but I don't believe it influences the majority of voters. A significant number just don't want to be in the EU, and for me it neither bodes well for the future or gives being in the EU sufficient mandate.

We give away power to groups in general elections based on 35% of the vote so how is that better really? And in the EU our MEPs are elected on turnouts of less than 40% so you could say that is not a mandate. But ultimately we have to be pragmatic in these things. We also give away power to Nato but have never had a referendum on that. If Russia attacked Turkey that would mean we are obliged to go to war whether we want to or not yet the Leavers do not seem to share the same outrage there about our sovereignty. The reality is we pool sovereignty and the reality is that we have representatives carry out the tricky business of government because we as the public don't really want that burden.

[Northern Monkey]

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[bots]

We give away power to groups in general elections based on 35% of the vote so how is that better really? And in the EU our MEPs are elected on turnouts of less than 40% so you could say that is not a mandate. But ultimately we have to be pragmatic in these things. We also give away power to Nato but have never had a referendum on that. If Russia attacked Turkey that would mean we are obliged to go to war whether we want to or not yet the Leavers do not seem to share the same outrage there about our sovereignty. The reality is we pool sovereignty and the reality is that we have representatives carry out the tricky business of government because we as the public don't really want that burden.

while your points on Nato etc are well made, the difference in elections here is that even if they are in government on 35% of the vote, its for a finite period, and they are held to account by voters. Look no further than what happened to the lib dems. If we say we want to remain, that will be it for a generation, and it can only create serious internal issues if it doesn't have a mandate.

[Alf]

Lexit 'The Movie' (The Left case for leaving)


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[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-baroness-sayeeda-warsi-defects-from-leave-to-remain-a7090741.html

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/19/472510/default/v0/telegraphnew-1-992x558.jpg

[joeysteele]

No thanks Boris.
I wouldn't believe very much Boris says at all.

[Kizzy]

Especially as a couple of years ago he said the opposite.

When asked whether he would vote to leave or remain in the European Union in the event of a referendum, Mr Johnson said he was "in favour" of staying in a single EU trading bloc.

He said he wanted to ensure good trade links with "our European friends and partners".

The interview, from three years ago, shows the former Mayor of London being fully supportive of a fundamental principle of the European Union.

"I'd vote to stay in the single market. I'm in favour of the single market," he told Sky News. "I want us to trade freely with our European friends and partners."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-brexit-support-single-market-leave-european-union-video-a7089991.html

[the truth]

Especially as a couple of years ago he said the opposite.

When asked whether he would vote to leave or remain in the European Union in the event of a referendum, Mr Johnson said he was "in favour" of staying in a single EU trading bloc.

He said he wanted to ensure good trade links with "our European friends and partners".

The interview, from three years ago, shows the former Mayor of London being fully supportive of a fundamental principle of the European Union.

"I'd vote to stay in the single market. I'm in favour of the single market," he told Sky News. "I want us to trade freely with our European friends and partners."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-brexit-support-single-market-leave-european-union-video-a7089991.html

and your point is? he wants to be a trading partner but not the 10001 other lews rules open borders etc etc that strangle the life out of the economy and destroy our sovereignty

[joeysteele]

Especially as a couple of years ago he said the opposite.

When asked whether he would vote to leave or remain in the European Union in the event of a referendum, Mr Johnson said he was "in favour" of staying in a single EU trading bloc.

He said he wanted to ensure good trade links with "our European friends and partners".

The interview, from three years ago, shows the former Mayor of London being fully supportive of a fundamental principle of the European Union.

"I'd vote to stay in the single market. I'm in favour of the single market," he told Sky News. "I want us to trade freely with our European friends and partners."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-brexit-support-single-market-leave-european-union-video-a7089991.html

He changes his mind so often it is hard to work out what he really believes anyway, and so for me what he says is meaningless most of the time.

[Kizzy]

and your point is? he wants to be a trading partner but not the 10001 other lews rules open borders etc etc that strangle the life out of the economy and destroy our sovereignty
How will we fund that, we will have to pay to trade once out, that will strangle the economy. Could you explain what modern day sovereignty is and how it will be destroyed should we stay in?

[the truth]

How will we fund that, we will have to pay to trade once out, that will strangle the economy. Could you explain what modern day sovereignty is and how it will be destroyed should we stay in?

you explain how you think eu economy is working? why youth unemployment is o ver 40% in several nations, why greece was destroyed? how does monetary policy work when you have no control over your own money? explain how open borders across all of europe pluss the schengen allows entry into europe fromt he middle east, how is that good for wages and safety and counter terrorism too? how do you catch illegal immigrants and terrorists with open borders and 500 odd million moving unchecked between 30 odd nations?? explain how its right for eu commissioners to open doors to corporate takeovers then immediately join the same corporation? how do you intend to counter those vested interests? insider dealing? im all ears........

[Tom4784]

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[Kizzy]

you explain how you think eu economy is working? why youth unemployment is o ver 40% in several nations, why greece was destroyed? how does monetary policy work when you have no control over your own money? explain how open borders across all of europe pluss the schengen allows entry into europe fromt he middle east, how is that good for wages and safety and counter terrorism too? how do you catch illegal immigrants and terrorists with open borders and 500 odd million moving unchecked between 30 odd nations?? explain how its right for eu commissioners to open doors to corporate takeovers then immediately join the same corporation? how do you intend to counter those vested interests? insider dealing? im all ears........

I asked first.

[Withano]

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:joker:

[_Tom_]

Love these brilliant "a question for George Osborne" beer mats they have in Wetherspoons :clap1:

http://i.imgur.com/zp4WTOd.jpg?1
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[Tom4784]

Pretty much every economic expert worth their salt is saying the same thing, that leaving the EU is a bad decision but I guess they're ALL cronies right?

[Mokka]

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OMG.... I watch this show weekly and I was dying when I watched this :joker::joker::joker:

but I didn't think it was my place to post or chime in :hehe:

[Alf]

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[Kizzy]

How stupid do UKIP think voters are?....Er, you better watch this... :/

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[joeysteele]

Pretty much every economic expert worth their salt is saying the same thing, that leaving the EU is a bad decision but I guess they're ALL cronies right?

Good point.

I now just shake my head too, as to other than all the economists and monetary organisations we should ignore.

When Gove and Johnson say voters should listen to only as to big buslness, the heads of JCB,Next and Dyson but should ignore completely all the other heads of big business that do not agree with them.
Unbelievable.

How voters cannot see through that is beyond me.

[kirklancaster]

How stupid do UKIP think voters are?....Er, you better watch this... :/

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This rather infantile cartoon is yet still more TRUTHFUL than ANYTHING which has issued forth from the crooked mouths of David Cameron and George Osborne and company regarding their case to 'Remain'.

IT MERELY CONVEYS WHAT JEREMY CORBYN IS BURSTING TO SAY BUT CANNOT, WHICH IS:

IGNORE THE CRETINOUS SCARE MONGERING BY THE 'REMAIN' CAMP, "THE UK IS BETTER OFF OUT OF THE CORRUPT, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC, ANTI-WORKING CLASS, FEDERALIST, ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL DISASTER WHICH IS THE EU".

[Kizzy]

Yes take notice of a cartoon that conveys no logic or reasoning, ignore the economists as well as almost 100 universities... do you think Farage thinks we're all dumb clucks?

[kirklancaster]

Yes take notice of a cartoon that conveys no logic or reasoning, ignore the economists as well as almost 100 universities... do you think Farage thinks we're all dumb clucks?


Are not these 'Economists' some of those 'ECONOMIC EXPERTS' whose TRACK RECORDS on ECONOMIC ADVICE are one long chain of UNMITIGATED, SPECTACULARLY ERRONEOUS DISASTERS? :laugh:

1. In 1999, 65% of Economic Experts PASSIONATELY tried to convince the UK that WE SHOULD JOIN THE EURO.

2. 73 per cent of those 'ECONOMIC EXPERTS' actually SPECIALIALISED in the ECONOMICS OF THE EU.

AS even you must admit - The UK would have been TOTALLY FECKED if we had listened to these idiots.

From the 1920's 'Great Bubble' and crash and depression, through the Thatcherite 'macroeconomic' policies of the 1980's, which - love her or hate her - SAVED the UK, the 'ECONOMISTS' have SPECTACULARLY kept getting it wrong.

YET - crook CAMERON and his 'REMAIN' cronies keep 'wheeling out' these FAILED ECONOMIC EXPERTS and INSTITUTIONS to support his crooked cause.

This is NO SURPRISE - given that the same bunch of deceivers have the AUDACITY to 'wheel out' FAILED and PROVEN CORRUPT ex-POLITICIANS for the same purpose; TONY 'WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION' BLAIR and JOHN 'MAASTRICHT TREATY' MAJOR among others.

As for: "100 Universities" :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Vested Interests.

Oh and by the way:

The dumbclucks who keep bleating that "The EU donates money' to this or that" need to educate themselves - in my opinion of course - because IT IS OUR OWN FECKING MONEY WHICH THEY ARE RETURNING TO US.

Or PART OF OUR OWN MONEY - you know, the tiny little morsels of what's left after THE EU has taken its cut and filtered the rest to some of the more avaricious, often anti-British other 'member states'.

[_Tom_]

Big Brother legend Helen Wood having her say on the EU Ref :clap1:

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[Kizzy]

Yes ignore the experts as the brexit line is you've had enough of those eh? Experts in economics and education are all 'idiots'.
I don't share in the rose tinted reflections of the 80s, the rise of outsourcing, privatisation and venture capitalism has all but destroyed this country. Thatcher truly was the enemy within, a warmonger hellbent on dismantling infrastructure; she succeeded.

Yet that is only my opinion, the fact is we have knowledgeable people and academics stating the case for remain... and there's a cartoon about chickens :/

[kirklancaster]

Yes ignore the experts as the brexit line is you've had enough of those eh? Experts in economics and education are all 'idiots'.
I don't share in the rose tinted reflections of the 80s, the rise of outsourcing, privatisation and venture capitalism has all but destroyed this country. Thatcher truly was the enemy within, a warmonger hellbent on dismantling infrastructure; she succeeded.

Yet that is only my opinion, the fact is we have knowledgeable people and academics stating the case for remain... and there's a cartoon about chickens :/

"Yes ignore the experts as the brexit line is you've had enough of those eh? Experts in economics and education are all 'idiots'"

'Experts' with track records such as those, CANNOT SERIOUSLY BE LISTENED TO - THAT IS MY POINT.

the rise of outsourcing, privatisation and venture capitalism has all but destroyed this country. - If you TRULY BELIEVE this statement, then you should be adamantly in the 'LEAVE' camp, because the EU is WHOLLY about those very things. :shrug:

[Black Dagger]

You DONT HAVE TO SHOUT. /Natasha Hamilton

[Kizzy]

What should be listened to, the lie regarding the £350 million we send to the EU which bojo himself says is inaccurate?

lol

[Tom4784]

The whole 'ignore the experts' line is embarrassing. Yes, every expert across the world is saying the same thing, that us leaving the EU could destabilise us, the EU and have an adverse effect on the global market but we should ignore all that because we need to cut off our noses spite our faces just 'cus.

We're going to alienate everyone by leaving, we aren't going to get good deals with anyone if we piss them off by throwing them under the bus.

None of the Brexit arguments make a lick of sense. It's just ignorance presented as fact.

[joeysteele]

What should be listened to, the lie regarding the £350 million we send to the EU which bojo himself says is inaccurate?

lol

The latest leave EU referendum broadcast the other night was still the one going on about saving fully that £350million every week and that £350million going fully to the NHS too, nowhere else.

A total lie,how that figure as it is, has been allowed to be continued to be presented as it has, totally is and in my view should be, seen as criminally misleading the voters.

I am also fed up of the leave side saying if you are asked what your earnings are and you say get a figure like 50k a year,that is your earnings.
Indeed but anyone earning 50k a year would not in any way whatsoever get 50k in their hand to spend every year, so that point is irrelevant.

[Kizzy]

Of course it's rubbish, ignore the 'experts' believe our made up pseudo economics... lol

[Cherie]

I only had Leave leaflets through the door and by post in the last few days they seem to be working harder :worry:

[Northern Monkey]

Oh yeah those 'experts'.
The experts who could'nt even predict last years economy right.The experts who could'nt even predict the 2008 crash,The same experts who wanted to drag us into the € because we'd be much better off and who have either not predicted or predicted wrong every major economic event of the last century.Yeah lets listen to those experts.They know their ****.

[Northern Monkey]

The BBC are a joke.Preaching on the Daily Politics how impartiality is of utmost importance and how if a remainiac has a say then they will have a brexitier on to have their say whilst they're slipping 'news items' in on the BBC news about how bad they think it'll be if we leave.They think we're idiots.

[Northern Monkey]

Big Brother legend Helen Wood having her say on the EU Ref :clap1:

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To be fair i think Helen Wood would almost make me vote remain.Not the best face of the leave side.

[Kizzy]

The BBC are a joke.Preaching on the Daily Politics how impartiality is of utmost importance and how if a remainiac has a say then they will have a brexitier on to have their say whilst they're slipping 'news items' in on the BBC news about how bad they think it'll be if we leave.They think we're idiots.

:joker::joker: Come on who dreamed that up? I like that it's actually pretty funny!
I might vote out just due to the comedy value of that word.

[Alf]

CoyM-g1DS4U

[Northern Monkey]

:joker::joker: Come on who dreamed that up? I like that it's actually pretty funny!
I might vote out just due to the comedy value of that word.

Someone on Youtube i think.I found it quite amusing too.:laugh:

[Kizzy]

Alf the guy says the middle east was a wonderful place, wonderful culture when he lived there in the 90s, that's not the message we are getting now is it... What happened to those wonderful people and wonderful culture?...
I totally agree with him and he sounds quite corbynesque when referring to the greed of those in manufacturing harnessing cheap labour at the expense of the British workforce kudos for that!

[Kizzy]

Well in referendum top trumps you have bojo and we have becks....

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/david-beckham-just-backed-remain-and-the-referendum-is-now-essentially-over--WygUPZEy54b

Stick a fork in me, I'm done.

Welcome to the EU.

[the truth]

the eu keeps africans in poverty with massive tariffs http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/africa-eu-poverty-james-cleverly_uk_5720d08be4b0a1e971cad84f

[the truth]

thats why theyre coming here too

[_Tom_]

I only had Leave leaflets through the door and by post in the last few days they seem to be working harder :worry:

They are - Leave supporters are far more motivated than Remainers. The Remain team where I live are lazy and complacent, and that goes for the national campaign as well.

And we're doing it for free too - Stronger In here have been paying people to deliver their leaflets :bored:

[Kizzy]

They are - Leave supporters are far more motivated than Remainers. The Remain team where I live are lazy and complacent, and that goes for the national campaign as well.

And we're doing it for free too - Stronger In here have been paying people to deliver their leaflets :bored:

I find the leave camp more dogmatic, not sure about motivated.

[kirklancaster]

I find the leave camp more dogmatic, not sure about motivated.

Are you confusing 'Dogmatic' with 'Pragmatic'?

[Kizzy]

Are you confusing 'Dogmatic' with 'Pragmatic'?

Nein.

[empire]

the EU has ripped us off from day one, when greece has to have a bailout every year, some of that money come's out of are pockets,and greece knew when to quit the EU, but some countries see us as a tree that grows money to take, if we remain. the poverty will get worse, the NHS will collapse, the right wing will gain a foot hold very fast, and race riots will exploded because of the huge refugee problem, many here will say im wrong, but it will happen, the EU is unreformed,

[the truth]

the EU has ripped us off from day one, when greece has to have a bailout every year, some of that money come's out of are pockets,and greece knew when to quit the EU, but some countries see us as a tree that grows money to take, if we remain. the poverty will get worse, the NHS will collapse, the right wing will gain a foot hold very fast, and race riots will exploded because of the huge refugee problem, many here will say im wrong, but it will happen, the EU is unreformed,

i desperately hope people arent brainwashed and intimidated into staying in this disastrous unaccountable unelected corrupt corporate cartel

[Wizard.]

They are - Leave supporters are far more motivated than Remainers. The Remain team where I live are lazy and complacent, and that goes for the national campaign as well.

And we're doing it for free too - Stronger In here have been paying people to deliver their leaflets :bored:

Same in Manchester, the Leave people in town who were handing out leaflets on Market Street were friendly and polite. The remainers were obviously paid University students who will do anything for a tenner, and were putting people off by walking up to anybody and everybody pushing leaflets in their faces.

Oh well, the remainiacs were outside when it pissed it down and the leave camp were protected under the roof next to the Arndale :hehe:

[MTVN]

They are - Leave supporters are far more motivated than Remainers. The Remain team where I live are lazy and complacent, and that goes for the national campaign as well.

And we're doing it for free too - Stronger In here have been paying people to deliver their leaflets :bored:

Same in Manchester, the Leave people in town who were handing out leaflets on Market Street were friendly and polite. The remainers were obviously paid University students who will do anything for a tenner, and were putting people off by walking up to anybody and everybody pushing leaflets in their faces.

Oh well, the remainiacs were outside when it pissed it down and the leave camp were protected under the roof next to the Arndale :hehe:

Sorry but thats definitely not true

[Alf]

You get one life


Get out and vote tomorrow and do the right thing for you, not the right thing for anybody else.


Alf is over and out on this debate

[Wizard.]

Sorry but thats definitely not true

Were you there? I don't think you were. If you were, it was pretty obvious that they couldn't give a flying ****.

[Drew.]

I can't face possibly losing Ozil to this, I AM IN

[_Tom_]

Sorry but thats definitely not true


Yes it is :laugh:

We have evidence of it here in Cambridge.

[Alf]

Just one last thing, I want to wish Nigel Farage good luck because he deserves it, and thank him for standing up for The British people against the Elite Class.


Good Luck Nige


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[_Tom_]

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[jaxie]

100% Leave. The EU will not change, there will be no further concessions or negotiations if we stay because those running the show do not want to. Don't kid yourself that you are staying in a reformed EU or EU we can persuade to change further, it won't happen. If we stay in we are selling ourselves out cheaply.

[Kizzy]

Yes it is :laugh:

We have evidence of it here in Cambridge.

Nope, my daughter is working in Cambridge university press, plenty of support for remain.

[_Tom_]

Nope, my daughter is working in Cambridge university press, plenty of support for remain.

Well of course there's plenty of Remain support in Cambridge - it's the student and scientific capital. The city is pretty much plagued with Remain posters and signs and my doormat gets carpet bombed by desperate Remain leafletters every day. It's going to be one of the top constituencies with the biggest Remain % vote in the UK.

Doesn't take away from them actually paying people to deliver their leaflets.

[Kizzy]

So what if they pay, they should pay leave should pay tight basts....time is money you know

[Pete.]

I'm tragically undecided :worry:

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I'm tragically undecided :worry:

I would try and covince you but at this point Ithink everybody has heard every argument. It's a cliche but some people say the way to make a decision, flip a coin. If you are 'disappointed' with the outcome then you will know how you subconsciously feel; vote the other way.

Or you could just flip a coin and vote which way it lands. :laugh:

[_Tom_]

I'm tragically undecided :worry:

Britney would vote leave :wink:

[MB.]

Personally if you're undecided I'd advise you to vote Remain because the other option is much more final and we can always call another referendum (god forbid, one was enough) if we stay and things get worse

Also, can we celebrate that this whole referendum will be over either way this time tomorrow?

[Vicky.]

My mother told me a couple of days back that she is voting leave as if it goes tits up she has enough savings to **** off to another country and avoid it :laugh: lovely.

[Vicky.]

Oh I should also probably add to that that her main reason for voting leave is...immigration

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Also, can we celebrate that this whole referendum will be over either way this time tomorrow?

Can't wait! The whole thing has just really depressed me. Although I'd take this endless, relentless referendum campaign all over again over having BoJo as PM for the next four years... at least. :worry:

[MTVN]

Were you there? I don't think you were. If you were, it was pretty obvious that they couldn't give a flying ****.

No but I have actually been out delivering leaflets and campaigning this week with the Remain campaign and I have not been paid a penny for it. Do you know somewhere I could get paid based on a couple of people looking grumpy while leafleting?

[MTVN]

Honestly a) neither side would think it worthwhile to pay people to hand out leaflets and b) they don't need to because believe it or not people do actually care about voting to stay in as well (the vast majority of young people want to)

Unless there is any solid evidence to the contrary I do not believe for one second that grassroots campaigners have been paid on either side

[Cherie]

I'm tragically undecided :worry:

Oh god

[bots]

In, out, shake it all about, happy voting day :dance:

[Cherie]

In, out, shake it all about, happy voting day :dance:

:dance:

[Alf]

I'm tragically undecided :worry:We can have a massive annual party every 23rd of June for Independence day.

That should be a deal breaker.

[MB.]

Or we can afford to pay for plenty of other parties by staying in and avoiding total economic collapse :)

[MB.]

(and we could thus afford to stream B9 as much as we like which I would like to think is the deal breaker here)

[Cherie]

We can have a massive annual party every 23rd of June for Independence day.

That should be a deal breaker.


BAnk holiday :smug::dance:

[MB.]

That would be assuming that the banks would make it through a Brexit in one piece, of course

[Cherie]

Oh I should also probably add to that that her main reason for voting leave is...immigration

I hope you are voiding her vote :nono:

[Alf]

BAnk holiday :smug::dance:Yeah, a two day one, we'd need a day to recover.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/22/473223/default/v0/sun-1-992x558.jpg

[MB.]

Funnily enough, given our proximity to the sun, that front page looks more than a little bit Armageddon-y to me

[arista]

I voted at 7AM

[Gusto Brunt]

OUT for me.

I hate the fact the EU tells us we have to keep paedos and rapists in our country because it's 'against their human rights' to send them back to their own country.

THAT's enough for me! :mad:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I feel like if it's Brexit terrorist will bomb like " nuh nuh you thought you thought bitch"

[joeysteele]

I voted at 7AM

I was 10 minutes behind you.
Shortly I am heading to help others get to the polling station this morning.

[arista]

OUT for me.

I hate the fact the EU tells us we have to keep paedos and rapists in our country because it's 'against their human rights' to send them back to their own country.

THAT's enough for me! :mad:


Good On You

[_Tom_]

I like democracy and I believe in this country. Let's reject Project Fear and escape the shackles of the failing and corrupt EU. A vote to leave is a vote for the people, it's a vote for small business - it's a rejection of the unelected elites in Brussels. It's time to Leave!

[arista]

I like democracy and I believe in this country. Let's reject Project Fear and escape the shackles of the failing and corrupt EU. A vote to leave is a vote for the people, it's a vote for small business - it's a rejection of the unelected elites in Brussels. It's time to Leave!


You Are Most Wise

[bots]

i've voted, first time in 30 years its not been a pointless foregone conclusion:laugh:

[Livia]

I voted earlier this morning.

Out, of course.

[Munchkins]

How exciting to cast my first vote today, I missed the election by 2 weeks last year :fist:

[Johnnyuk123]

Had to line up with all the others to vote out. It's a great turnout and i didn't see or hear a single remain fan.

[kirklancaster]

/watch?v=ohXI3po8hK0

[Alf]

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[Alf]

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[reece(:]

Voted to Remain :hee:

[Vicky.]

Can see our polling station from my living room window, and I swear its never stopped all day. Compared to seeing a odd couple of people in the general election vote :S

[Alf]

Voted to Remain :hee:Not a big fan of liberty then?

[reece(:]

Not a big fan of liberty then?

Not a fan of oldies dictating my future, I want the benefits of the EU as everyone else has had as they've grown up

[Vicky.]

I voted to remain, as the out campaigns are yet to convince me. Seems a bunch of scaremongering bull**** most of it. And to be quite honest, nearly every real person convo I have had about this the only reason for voting out seems to be immigration...and I do not believe that leaving the Eu will stop/slow down immigration at all. Oh, and I also don't really care if Turkey join the EU either

We had a ****ing leaflet through the door stating that those out of Europe have more chance of winning eurovision ffs :laugh:

I just don't think its time tbh. We can have another referendum in the future once FACTS are sorted out. If we leave, we can't change that.

I have been pretty much undecided until today but decided not to waste my vote. Sorry to all you outers :tongue:

[Vicky.]

1000s of nhs workers wish to leave but remain anonymous for fear of government reprisals

however some have put their name to a letter today


http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/healthcare_workers_say_we_should_vote_leave_to_sav e_the_nhs?utm_content=bufferfded8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Letter text

Dear Sir,

The NHS is a great British institution that families rely on in times of need. But as it slips into financial crisis the NHS itself needs some urgent attention.

The NHS is being asked to make huge cuts at a time of rising demand. Patients are having to wait longer for treatment, hospital deficits are increasing and doctors are on strike after being told they must take a pay cut. The Government must accept responsibility for this – they have starved the NHS of necessary funding for too long.

If we Vote Leave on 23 June we will be able to spend more on our priorities like the NHS. If we put the billions that currently go to EU bureaucrats into the NHS instead it would hugely improve patient care. For example, the £350 million a week we hand to Brussels is similar to the entire yearly Cancer Drugs Fund budget.

As healthcare professionals who have worked for the NHS for years we believe that the best choice in the EU referendum is to Vote Leave on June 23rd and save the NHS.
I haven't really read through this thread and realise this is a few months old now, but anyone who believes any 'savings' (if there are any) will be directed to things such as the NHS, schools or tax cuts, etc will be very disappointed. The normal people will never see the benefit of any savings the government make.

[Niamh.]

I voted to remain, as the out campaigns are yet to convince me. Seems a bunch of scaremongering bull**** most of it. And to be quite honest, nearly every real person convo I have had about this the only reason for voting out seems to be immigration...and I do not believe that leaving the Eu will stop/slow down immigration at all. Oh, and I also don't really care if Turkey join the EU either

We had a ****ing leaflet through the door stating that those out of Europe have more chance of winning eurovision ffs :laugh:

I just don't think its time tbh. We can have another referendum in the future once FACTS are sorted out. If we leave, we can't change that.

I have been pretty much undecided until today but decided not to waste my vote. Sorry to all you outers :tongue:

Tom :nono:

[Braden]

Will also post this here to vent my frustrations. Sorry to those who have already seen it.:

Part I of my voting experience:

'I am seething with my parents. We were on our way to vote and my mum decides to make a comment about how someone at work said that her sister is going over to the Irish Embassy to welcome 800(?) Somalian refugees with new houses (I actually have no dea how this is relevant since Ireland aren't part of the UK, but my response not knowing that it was related to the EU refrendum (I should have seen it a mile off since they've both been very obnoxious towards me for wanting to vote remain) was 'Aw'. I then proceeded ot be called ignorant. On the way to the car my mum made passive aggressive comments about how Britain wasn't 'great' anymore. My Dad who has been unbearble throughout this whole ordeal shouted his points in obvious attempt to try and get me to change my mind, snorted when I made my points for why I think it's better to stay in the EU and ultimately claimed that he was shouting his views in the car because he was talking to my (who was right next to him (why the **** was he shouting? lol)). I literally got out of the car and then walked in the complete opposite direction to the polling station, lmfao. I'll be voting later tonight though,

It's horrible how divided and aggressive this referendum has caused people to become, but it's interesting to view people in a way they wouldn't have before this vote. I have lost so much respect for my parents. Not because of hwo they were voting, but the way they made me feel because how I wanted to vote. Revolting tbh. I feel like complete **** for having an opinion. I'm not the sort of person that wants to use my voice in fear of ridicule in the first place.'

[Denver]

Not a fan of oldies dictating my future, I want the benefits of the EU as everyone else has had as they've grown up

i dont see how letting 3 million Turks run riot is benefiting the UK? :shrug:

[Denver]

by voting out your putting Great back into Britain

[Braden]

by voting out your putting Great back into Britain

Why is that? In your personal opinion.

I'm genuniely curious.

[Denver]

Why is that? In your personal opinion.

I'm genuniely curious.

it allows us to fight for what is right and not follow by everyone else rules, Great Britain always use to be a trend setter but since being in the EU we have become a laughing stock

[Vicky.]

Where do you stand on the EU? Find out with the Eurometer.

eurometer.news.sky.com



Im a progressive cosmopolitan! and 95% of progressive cosmopolitans are voting to remain in.

YOUR CLOSEST FIT
Cosmopolitan
Along with 17% of the UK
Cosmopolitans generally adopt an inclusive view of Europe, embracing the diversity of the continent and its contributions to British society. They are the most ethnically diverse group within the United Kingdom, and identify almost equally with the UK, the EU, and the world.

Most Cosmopolitans believe that all Europeans—including those living in the UK—share a common set of values, many of which are enshrined in the laws and institutions of the EU. They see a role for the EU in the affairs of the UK.

Cosmopolitans tend to think that the EU has made a positive contribution to the economic prosperity and security of the UK.

Cosmopolitans are also broadly in favour of the EU’s migration policies. They think immigrants enrich the UK and they support measures to foster a more inclusive society.

Cosmopolitans will overwhelmingly vote to remain in the EU during the upcoming referendum.


54% - Women
46% - Men
26% - Proportion born outside of the UK
The Guardian - Most read newspaper
44 -Average Age
Most likely to have voted in the 2015 general election for
Labour

95% will vote in, 1% out and 4% undecided apparently

Your next best fit - Utilitarian
You are least like - Nationalist

[Northern Monkey]

Will also post this here to vent my frustrations. Sorry to those who have already seen it.:

Part I of my voting experience:

'I am seething with my parents. We were on our way to vote and my mum decides to make a comment about how someone at work said that her sister is going over to the Irish Embassy to welcome 800(?) Somalian refugees with new houses (I actually have no dea how this is relevant since Ireland aren't part of the UK, but my response not knowing that it was related to the EU refrendum (I should have seen it a mile off since they've both been very obnoxious towards me for wanting to vote remain) was 'Aw'. I then proceeded ot be called ignorant. On the way to the car my mum made passive aggressive comments about how Britain wasn't 'great' anymore. My Dad who has been unbearble throughout this whole ordeal shouted his points in obvious attempt to try and get me to change my mind, snorted when I made my points for why I think it's better to stay in the EU and ultimately claimed that he was shouting his views in the car because he was talking to my (who was right next to him (why the **** was he shouting? lol)). I literally got out of the car and then walked in the complete opposite direction to the polling station, lmfao. I'll be voting later tonight though,

It's horrible how divided and aggressive this referendum has caused people to become, but it's interesting to view people in a way they wouldn't have before this vote. I have lost so much respect for my parents. Not because of hwo they were voting, but the way they made me feel because how I wanted to vote. Revolting tbh. I feel like complete **** for having an opinion. I'm not the sort of person that wants to use my voice in fear of ridicule in the first place.'I am voting out but good on you for standing up for what you believe in.Nobody should be pressured into making their decision
:clap1:

[Braden]

Thank you, Northern Monkey. I understand there pros and cons for both, but I'm not going to vote a certain way to please them. That would be the worst thing to do.

[Northern Monkey]

Thank you, Northern Monkey. I understand there pros and cons for both, but I'm not going to vote a certain way to please them. That would be the worst thing to do.
Exactly.It's your decision.If you gave in then you would be letting your parents take away your democratic right.

[arista]

Now on Fox NewsHD USA

UK to Leave the EU

[arista]

a final post on here
for Kirk and Dezzy

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/644F/production/_90097652_timeswrap.jpg

[Kizzy]

What has he done? What have we done....

[arista]

What has he done? What have we done....


Started World Trading

Not UnLeveled EU Corruption

[Kizzy]

Started World Trading

Not UnLeveled EU Corruption

And what does world trading cost? Who are we trading with? are there free movement ties associated?


Called it again....Maybe I should go into politics? LOL

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-britain-india-immigrants-accept-more-free-trade-deal-diplomat-warning-yk-sinha-a8073516.html

[joeysteele]

And what does world trading cost? Who are we trading with? are there free movement ties associated?

Who knows Kizzy, we haven't even planned what is going to be done yet, let alone started it.

[arista]

And what does world trading cost? Who are we trading with? are there free movement ties associated?


The Cost is our Freedom
not to have EU in Control.


Many in the EU are glad we have gone
So Feck Them,

[arista]

Who knows Kizzy, we haven't even planned what is going to be done yet, let alone started it.


It has started
but Not gone Public yet

[Kizzy]

The Cost is our Freedom
not to have EU in Control.


Many in the EU are glad we have gone
So Feck Them,

Freedom is slavery.... lets see what happens to the workers directives eh?

[Kizzy]

So leave have wiped their page........bit sus that :/




'Much like its political leaders Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the Vote Leave online campaign has gone rather quiet over the weekend. The Twitter and Facebook accounts have been silent since 23 June and the campaign website homepage has been wiped.

Although the campaign’s archive of pledges, briefings, speeches and op-eds written by senior campaign figures are still hosted on the site, they are no longer linked to from the homepage, making them much harder to find.

This is rather different from the Conservative party wipedown of 2013, in which the Tories removed a decade’s worth of speeches completely from their website and blocked archiving services such as the Wayback Machine from accessing them.

But anyone entering through the main www.voteleavetakecontrol.org link will see only a note thanking supporters and a photo of Johnson, Gove and Priti Patel campaigning in front of a battle bus emblazoned with a version of the controversial £350m claim, with no way to access any of the rest of the site.

You can still find the rest of the website’s content through this link'


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/27/brexit-live-george-osborne-economy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/news

[Kizzy]

VEALC1z3QG8

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dixons Carphone has unveiled a 17% rise in annual pre-tax profits to £447m and dismissed concerns over Britain’s decision to leave the EU.

Seb James, the chief executive of the electrical and mobile phone company, said it would continue to find opportunities to grow despite the outcome of the referendum last week.

“The nation has spoken and there has been a vote to exit the EU in due course. As you can imagine, we have been giving some thought to this,” he said.

“Our view is that, as the strongest player in our market and despite the volatility that is the inevitable consequence of such change, we expect to find opportunities for additional growth and further consolidate our position as the leader in the UK market.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ecoms-industry


FTSE up and £ rising as well



Business taking the "necessity breeds invention" line already - great news for the UK

[kirklancaster]

Dixons Carphone has unveiled a 17% rise in annual pre-tax profits to £447m and dismissed concerns over Britain’s decision to leave the EU.

Seb James, the chief executive of the electrical and mobile phone company, said it would continue to find opportunities to grow despite the outcome of the referendum last week.

“The nation has spoken and there has been a vote to exit the EU in due course. As you can imagine, we have been giving some thought to this,” he said.

“Our view is that, as the strongest player in our market and despite the volatility that is the inevitable consequence of such change, we expect to find opportunities for additional growth and further consolidate our position as the leader in the UK market.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ecoms-industry


FTSE up and £ rising as well



Business taking the "necessity breeds invention" line already - great news for the UK

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Cherie]

Of course they are going to say that they don't want consumers to lose confidence. Hopefully when they unveil next years figures they will still be rising :hee:

[kirklancaster]

Of course they are going to say that they don't want consumers to lose confidence. Hopefully when they unveil next years figures they will still be rising :hee:

They will be Cherie, they will be.

[arista]

Dixons Carphone has unveiled a 17% rise in annual pre-tax profits to £447m and dismissed concerns over Britain’s decision to leave the EU.

Seb James, the chief executive of the electrical and mobile phone company, said it would continue to find opportunities to grow despite the outcome of the referendum last week.

“The nation has spoken and there has been a vote to exit the EU in due course. As you can imagine, we have been giving some thought to this,” he said.

“Our view is that, as the strongest player in our market and despite the volatility that is the inevitable consequence of such change, we expect to find opportunities for additional growth and further consolidate our position as the leader in the UK market.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ecoms-industry


FTSE up and £ rising as well



Business taking the "necessity breeds invention" line already - great news for the UK



No That Company was losing Customers to Amazon
I went there months ago
No Customers spending

So they were Fecked anyway




They will use Brexit
to shut half stores again

[arista]

VEALC1z3QG8

Yes was on SkyAtlanticHD on monday
night.


The Farage Clip
needs to be corrected
as that Red Bus was Boris Leave bus
who had no connection
to Farage.

Even QT fecked that up

[bots]

Yes was on SkyAtlanticHD on monday
night.


The Farage Clip
needs to be corrected
as that Red Bus was Boris Leave bus
who had no connection
to Farage.

Even QT fecked that up

yes, it needs to be corrected in the same way that all those on the leave side rushed to correct the figure printed on the bus prior to the vote :hee:

[arista]

yes, it needs to be corrected in the same way that all those on the leave side rushed to correct the figure printed on the bus prior to the vote :hee:


No not Correct the bus - but do not
say Farage got that number on that Bus

It was BORIS
who refused to go near Farage
but people watching , even John Oliver
did not care.


Vote Leave

was Not Farage
he was another group name

[bots]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJYSjuWQAAo0aJ.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJYSjuWQAAo0aJ.jpg



Yes thats why he will not be OUR PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

-FiZ90wz9eI

[kirklancaster]

-FiZ90wz9eI

:clap1::clap1::clap1: This is THE best politician in the UK, and the most HONEST compared to the wankers who pose as our politicians.

No impartial person can fault the truth in what he says or deny his eloquence in saying it.

Lots on here will though, unfortunately.

[arista]

Yes FoxNewsBusinessHD
as well thanks Nige


I watched That Lady Interview him.

[arista]

Reporters Ending on BBCNewsHD
had a 25 year old Italian Lady view
She was Honest.
She said she did not like Juncker
but also said Out is Out - So Go


Now look madame
I buy alot from Italy
no need to get Nasty.

We are Out
in about 2 years
after we shove the Document 50
on the EU table.
We are going to do this.

And No One will Stop Us

[arista]

CNNHD Money Hour
had report from Wales
many more there Voted Out of EU
there. That Zone got EU invested Money projects
but the Locals still voted OUT.

All I want from people
is Respect the Public Win Vote

No USA market as its their Holiday
from the British Empire Left them


Feel The Force

[arista]

Radio 5

John Mills CEO of JML
voted for Leave
Like Dyson did.

He wants money exchanges
Corrected Faster.

He accepts Selling of Sterling will go on,
at this time,
Meaning Markets Will settle in the End

[Northern Monkey]

/THWPJE4xaJM

[arista]

x1OdRzJj_k4

LP says its Games Of Thrones
Of course this was the 30th of June
before Labour got worse


Jon Snow - what about the media.

[Scarlett.]

It is all a bit GoT, I bet Corbyn is expecting Angela Eagle to come into his office and tell him that someone found his uncle, and they're waiting outside.

[arista]

It is all a bit GoT, I bet Corbyn is expecting Angela Eagle to come into his office and tell him that someone found his uncle, and they're waiting outside.

We find out Today
As Stinking Lawyers Rule if Corbyn can
go on the ballot,
As it was changed by Ed Miliband.

[Scarlett.]

Hopefully they put him on the ballot, he is the Prime Minister who was promised!

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnGQYNmXgAAdQvA.jpg

[MTVN]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnGQYNmXgAAdQvA.jpg

Poll the Norwegians but not the Spanish or Belgians :umm2:

[user104658]

Poll the Norwegians but not the Spanish or Belgians :umm2:

I think the Norwegian poll is worth including due to how they're positioned in the EU. I also fully understand leaving a Spanish poll out because it would be a completely skewed result that has nothing to do with Scotland / the UK and everything to do with their own internal politics. Those are of course a major stumbling block for Scottish EU membership but they're not particularly useful in determining whether or not, all other considerations out of the way, the people would actually want to accept Scotland.

I agree that the countries look a little cherry-picked given that only 7 are included, though.

[arista]

Hopefully they put him on the ballot, he is the Prime Minister who was promised!


Yes JC made sure the Votes were 4 higher
at that meeting,

He Skipped his planned speech in Brighton
with the Unions - got on the fast train back to London
so he saved himself
stopped the Corruption
of StinkingNewBlairLabour troops

[bots]

Yes JC made sure the Votes were 4 higher
at that meeting,

He Skipped his planned speech in Brighton
with the Unions - got on the fast train back to London
so he saved himself
stopped the Corruption
of StinkingNewBlairLabour troops

Blair has been gone for years. The majority of MP's who disagree with Corbyn weren't even in Parliament during Blair's time .... They have different political thinking. That has always been the case in the labour party, long before Blair arrived on the scene, and it would have continued, but for some crazy left revolution within the party that will likely kill it permanently forever.

[Kizzy]

How is it a revolution? Is Corbyns ideology not what the labour party was founded on?... I think following the new labour years many have forgotten this.

[Northern Monkey]

Brexit mastermind Nigel Farage in the US discussing Trump and Brexit
/uIQVTthsM2Q

[Kizzy]

And what does world trading cost? Who are we trading with? are there free movement ties associated?

Called it.....

European economies will be thrown into “great turmoil” if the UK and EU cannot agree on a deal for Brexit that includes an element of free movement of labour, the Japanese government has warned.

Issued on the eve of the G20 summit in China, a document entitled “Japan’s Message to the UK and EU” warns of dire consequences for “the interests of the world” if an open Europe cannot be maintained.

The letter presents for the first time a coherent list of the demands Japanese businesses are making for the conditions of Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/japan-brexit-letter-eu-uk-g20-europe-great-turmoil-economy-a7224841.html

[Johnnyuk123]

If China refuses to deal with the uk then all the Pound shops will close. No big loss. :joker:

[joeysteele]

Called it.....

European economies will be thrown into “great turmoil” if the UK and EU cannot agree on a deal for Brexit that includes an element of free movement of labour, the Japanese government has warned.

Issued on the eve of the G20 summit in China, a document entitled “Japan’s Message to the UK and EU” warns of dire consequences for “the interests of the world” if an open Europe cannot be maintained.

The letter presents for the first time a coherent list of the demands Japanese businesses are making for the conditions of Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/japan-brexit-letter-eu-uk-g20-europe-great-turmoil-economy-a7224841.html


PM May has also been told again too by Obama that the USA will concentrate on deals with the EU before the UK.

I am not sure really though, what her vision is, she is not making any firm promises of any kind at all.

[Kizzy]

Sooooooo..... What was it all for?

Theresa May has cast doubt on whether Brexit will lead either to a points-based immigration system or an extra £100m a week for the NHS – two central promises made by the successful campaign to leave the European Union.

The prime minister declined to endorse pledges made by the official Vote Leave group as she headed to China for the G20 summit, where Japan and the US have issued strong warnings about the consequences of exiting the EU.

In an unprecedented set of demands over the terms of Britain’s exit, Tokyo said Japanese firms could move to other parts of Europe unless many of the current privileges of membership were maintained.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/04/theresa-may-refuses-to-guarantee-brexit-pledges-on-immigration-and-nhs

[bots]

Sooooooo..... What was it all for?

Theresa May has cast doubt on whether Brexit will lead either to a points-based immigration system or an extra £100m a week for the NHS – two central promises made by the successful campaign to leave the European Union.

The prime minister declined to endorse pledges made by the official Vote Leave group as she headed to China for the G20 summit, where Japan and the US have issued strong warnings about the consequences of exiting the EU.

In an unprecedented set of demands over the terms of Britain’s exit, Tokyo said Japanese firms could move to other parts of Europe unless many of the current privileges of membership were maintained.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/04/theresa-may-refuses-to-guarantee-brexit-pledges-on-immigration-and-nhs

People knew this would happen when they voted out, it was made clear

[joeysteele]

Sooooooo..... What was it all for?

Theresa May has cast doubt on whether Brexit will lead either to a points-based immigration system or an extra £100m a week for the NHS – two central promises made by the successful campaign to leave the European Union.

The prime minister declined to endorse pledges made by the official Vote Leave group as she headed to China for the G20 summit, where Japan and the US have issued strong warnings about the consequences of exiting the EU.

In an unprecedented set of demands over the terms of Britain’s exit, Tokyo said Japanese firms could move to other parts of Europe unless many of the current privileges of membership were maintained.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/04/theresa-may-refuses-to-guarantee-brexit-pledges-on-immigration-and-nhs

I think she is just starting to get to see what an enormous and complex task this is going to be.

[Johnnyuk123]

We voted to leave. Get over it. :joker::joker::joker:

[MB.]

Yeah, invisible poster, get over yourself

[Kizzy]

We voted to leave. Get over it. :joker::joker::joker:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-article-50-stop-telling-me-get-over-it-not-how-democracy-works-a7336926.html

[Johnnyuk123]

Negative people thrive on negativity, normal folk just laugh it off. :joker::joker::joker:

[Black Dagger]

You're literally talking to yourself. Are you feeling alright hun.

[arista]

A manic day in Parliament today


[PM May vows 'maximum possible access'
to EU market after Brexit
The PM promises to control immigration
as well as negotiating the right deal,
but is criticised for risking
a "shambolic Brexit".]


http://news.sky.com/story/may-vows-maximum-possible-access-to-eu-market-after-brexit-10614514



The PM has said MPs can debate it
but No Votes

Thats Fair
as we do not want it Fudged

[Rob!]

Laugh at the remains all you like, I am still yet to see a single positive article, news story or statistic that says that leaving was a good idea. Feel free to provide any of the above if you can find one and want the people who voted remain to stop feeling concerned about the future of the country.

[arista]

Laugh at the remains all you like, I am still yet to see a single positive article, news story or statistic that says that leaving was a good idea. Feel free to provide any of the above if you can find one and want the people who voted remain to stop feeling concerned about the future of the country.



Nothing Wrong with that view.
But You lost the democratic vote
there is far to many
who refuse to accept it.

[Rob!]

Nothing Wrong with that view.
But You lost the democratic vote
there is far to many
who refuse to accept it.

Oh I accept it. 17 million odd people voted differently to me after all. I just don't think the majority of them really knew what they were voting for.

[Ammi]

Nothing Wrong with that view.
But You lost the democratic vote
there is far to many
who refuse to accept it.


...there is no choice but to accept it, Arista..but accepting it doesn't mean there still won't be frustrations in it...and of all people, Brexit voters should be very understanding of that because the main premise for many Brexit voters was their own frustrations in decisions being made for them by EU that they didn't agree with so we're told..well 48% of UK people are feeling those frustrations atm that Brexiters are apparently all too familiar with...

[bots]

when the Conservatives win an election, it doesn't mean that all the labour supporters should then support the tories, and vice versa. The same applies with the brexit vote.

[arista]

Oh I accept it. 17 million odd people voted differently to me after all. I just don't think the majority of them really knew what they were voting for.


People say that after Elections.

People went out to vote
more than a Election on this.
It meant more to us
that voted "leave the EU"

I was shocked to see others
in front of me at 7AM to Vote on Brexit
that never happens on Elections

Referendum
it was a rare event for the UK

[Withano]

Brexit causes an increase in price for common household producys and tesco refuses to stock them

https://www.ft.com/content/58560c1e-909a-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923

Pretty big news

[smudgie]

Brexit causes an increase in price for common household producys and tesco refuses to stock them

https://www.ft.com/content/58560c1e-909a-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923

Pretty big news

If nothing else, it will encourage us to buy British.....oh hang on, Marmite is British made.
Funny how when there have been big price dips for these big companies they never thought to pass it on to the consumers.
Boycott Unilever I say.

[Kizzy]

Siobhan Fenton
@SiobhanFenton
Court now discussing which rights currently available to British citizens will be lost after Brexit
3:48 PM - 17 Oct 2016


Siobhan Fenton
@SiobhanFenton
Lord Chief Justice asks government lawyer, what if we say the Crown cannot trigger Article 50? Where does that leave us?
4:35 PM - 17 Oct 2016


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-live-theresa-may-article-50-vote-eu-uk-high-court-latest-a7365101.html

[Kizzy]

A lawyer representing the UK Government has said it is "very likely" MPs will be able to vote on the final Brexit agreement between the UK and the European Union.

James Eadie QC was speaking in the High Court as part of the final day of the hearing to decide whether Prime Minister Theresa May can trigger Article 50 without parliamentary approval.

Downing Street has since confirmed that he was representing the Government's position.

The judges have said they will rule on the historic legal challenge "as quickly as possible".

Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, Master of the Rolls Sir Terence Etherton and Lord Justice Sales reserved their decision on Tuesday at the end of a three-day hearing.

After hearing closing submissions from lawyers at the High Court in London, Lord Thomas announced: "We shall take time to consider the matter and give our judgment as quickly as possible."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-live-latest-article-50-eu-theresa-may-uk-high-court-hearing-a7367126.html

[arista]

Maybe Kizzy
but after we Start the the 2 year countdown

[Kizzy]

It may all be over?....

Parliament has the right to reject the final Brexit deal, No.10 has indicated for the first time – raising the possibility that Britain’s EU exit could yet be halted.

Downing Street agreed it is “very likely” that MPs and peers will be given a vote once the withdrawal negotiations are finished, after the issue arose in the High Court.

The statement – after the Prime Minister repeatedly refused to give ground on demands for Parliament to have a say on Brexit – immediately triggered furious debate about the possible consequences.

One senior pro-EU Conservative MP called it a “victory for all those who believe in the right of Parliament to represents the interests of our constituents”.

And the prospect of Parliament exerting some control over the final settlement caused the pound to surge immediately against the dollar in exchange markets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html

[Withano]

It may all be over?....

Parliament has the right to reject the final Brexit deal, No.10 has indicated for the first time – raising the possibility that Britain’s EU exit could yet be halted.

Downing Street agreed it is “very likely” that MPs and peers will be given a vote once the withdrawal negotiations are finished, after the issue arose in the High Court.

The statement – after the Prime Minister repeatedly refused to give ground on demands for Parliament to have a say on Brexit – immediately triggered furious debate about the possible consequences.

One senior pro-EU Conservative MP called it a “victory for all those who believe in the right of Parliament to represents the interests of our constituents”.

And the prospect of Parliament exerting some control over the final settlement caused the pound to surge immediately against the dollar in exchange markets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html

Its a tricky situation, what is technically best for the country in the long run would cause chaos and riots in the short run. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

[Kizzy]

Its a tricky situation, what is technically best for the country in the long run would cause chaos and riots in the short run. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

I honestly think there would be a collective sigh of relief... bregret is a thing. :laugh:

[Tom4784]

It would be hilarious if it happened. I'd live for the fumes.

[bots]

The upshot of it is .... i think ... because well .... i don't think anyone knows for sure, parliament will get a vote, but the result of that vote doesn't really matter as we will have already exited (or at least begun the irreversible process of exit)

It is an almighty mess, it has to be said, but its right that we clarify exactly what a referendum can and can't do legally within the constitution. If it has no standing, why would people bother voting ... its all a bit of a nonsense.

[Northern Monkey]

I mean they can vote on what they like but it doesn't make a difference because we'll only get whatever we end up with from the negotiations.Seems pretty pointless tbh.

[Kizzy]

Hmmmm....

Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.

A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.

Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit

[Kizzy]

And again nobody was surprised ...

The Chancellor will face an £84 billion black hole in the country’s finances at the Autumn Statement unless he announces a sweeping “fiscal reset” and ditches George Osborne’s old economic rules, economists have warned.

An analysis by the Resolution Foundation think-tank found that changes in the economic outlook since the EU referendum mean a significant “deterioration in the public finances”.

The advice from the researchers comes a day after leaked Treasury documents suggested Philip Hammond would have to fill a multi-billion pound black hole because of the “severe worsening of public finances” caused by Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-hammond-billion-black-hole-economists-a7380081.html

[Kizzy]

eh?.....

Brussels will be able to dictate what the British government can and cannot tell the British Parliament about Brexit negotiations, the Government has claimed.

EU minister David Jones told the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee that he could not say how much information MPs would be given about the talks until the European Council had laid down its rules about secrecy.

The claim comes after Theresa May and Brexit Secretary Davis Davis both said there would be a limit to how much they would tell the UK Parliament about negotiations.

:joker:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-david-jones-a7381806.html

[_Tom_]

791559722767937536

Brexit's fault. :fist:

[Johnnyuk123]

791559722767937536

Brexit's fault. :fist:

Another knife in the back of the remoaners debunking their doom and gloom theories.

[Kizzy]

Um that proves nothing, we haven't left yet :/


#perspective

http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-kingdom-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=gbrdebt2gdp&v=201610011542q

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt-to-gdp

[bots]

Another knife in the back of the remoaners debunking their doom and gloom theories.

there is a significant lag before effects are felt, in some cases that could be months or even years. So whether its good or bad for the economy ultimately ... no-one will be able to say.

We are going to be out ... so thats the way our economy is, we don't have an alternative parallel economy. So ... the upshot is .... i wont believe a word good or bad associated with the economy and brexit.

[Johnnyuk123]

I am for being in the EU, as are all my family too.

I believe we are there and need to be there as a full member,All govts; have signed treaties and that is the fact, they are signed.
We just should get on with it now and do all we can to reform the EU from the inside,since outside we would have no influence.

This govt; put in place legislation that if any new treaty comes forward from now, then the voters will be asked in a referendum if the govt; should sign such treaty.

I support Labours plan which is exactly that legislation I posted above but in addition, they have said if a treaty came forward that now involved any transference of legislative power from the UK to the EU then that would trigger from them an in/out referendum.

I have never seen the point of Cameron saying this needed to be settled but waiting 2 and a half years until the election to even start any re-negotiations, and then take another 2+ years to do that and hold a referendum by the end of the 3rd year of his govt;
All conditional on 'if' he got an overall majority

I think it would be an economic disaster and also a status disaster for the UK to leave the EU and to have cofusion and uncertainty running for nearly 5 years from this PM is plain ridiculous.
So I would never in fact support leaving the EU and clearly would never vote in a referendum to do so.

That to me would be dangerous politics and dangerous for the UK as a whole too.
I also believe the voters would never be able to get an informed debate or relevant information from the media we have, as to the EU, in order to make a fully clear minded and balanced decision as to the EU.

Any new tranfers of powers would be a possible step too far now and in those circumstances,I would agree a referendum could be held.
I would still myself vote to stay in however.

Now that we know the will of the UK people voted to leave the EU what are you and your families view on this result? Do you and your family support democracy or not?

[Jamie89]

Now that we know the will of the UK people voted to leave the EU what are you and your families view on this result? Do you and your family support democracy or not?
I don't think it's undemocratic if people wish we were remaining in the eu even though we're leaving. In the same way it wasn't undemocratic for people wanting to leave the eu whilst we were a part of it. I think accepting the decision and supporting it are different things, because otherwise it's saying that people have to suddenly change how they think and change their opinions on something just because of how a different group of people have voted, I don't think that's democracy?

[Shaun]

"You disagree with what has been voted for? How undemocratic!!!! How unpatriotic!!!!"

- that

[Kizzy]

Brexiters who accuse those who are warning of the difficulties of leaving the EU as “talking Britain down” are making a “pathetic argument”, experts have warned.

A study looking at the legal, constitutional and bureaucratic challenges that are involved in triggering article 50 has highlighted the difficulties Britain is likely to face during the negotiation period.

Professor Anand Menon of King’s College London, who is a director at The UK in a Changing Europe, the authors of the study, said the report will help to identify potential stumbling blocks that are routinely ignored by Brexiters.

“An irritating aspect of the current debate is the tendency of Brexiters to accuse those who warn of difficulties of talking Britain down.

“It’s a good line but a pathetic argument. Since when was rational debate a bad thing? Forewarned, surely, is forearmed, and this report will help identify potential stumbling blocks ahead,” Professor Menon said.

Parliament is likely to have a large of volume of work to identify and transport all relevant EU law after it is repealed and the negotiations are likely to require extensive coordination between new and existing ministries.

Professor Menon also added that Brexit could test Britain’s capacity to its limits and said a lot of uncertainty remains.

“Article 50 negotiations will be tricky and hideously technical but that is the easy bit. When it comes to the crafting of a future relationship, almost everything is up in the air.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-voters-shout-down-remoaners-dont-want-rational-debate-a7393126.html

[Kizzy]

Ooops!
EU officials have discussed new laws to undermine the UK’s multi-billion pound clearing business after Brexit, London Stock Exchange chief executive, Xavier Rolet told a House of Lords Committee.

Financial transactions can currently be cleared anywhere in the world and London has a dominant position in the market, processing £440 billion of trades every day and supporting 100,000 jobs.
But the EU is now considering limiting the amount of euro transactions that can be processed outside the EU, so that it can force the industry to move within its borders after Brexit, according to Rolet.

Millions of euro-denominated transactions are currently cleared in New York, but a cap on US trades is now being considered, so that similar restrictions can be placed on London when it is outside the EU, a move that could fatally undermine the industry.

“I understand that some discussions have already originated in the EU for limiting the ability of US- based clearinghouses to clear euro-denominated securities by capping or somehow restricting their ability to engage meaningfully in their business,“ Rolet said.

The loss of euro clearing would cost 100,000 UK jobs, fragment markets and force banks to tie up an extra £70 billion in “margin” or cash to back up trades. That money that could otherwise aid economic growth, Rolet said.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-eu-law-to-take-uk-s-440bn-derivatives-clearing-london-stock-exchange-a7394341.html

[arista]

Brexit court case: Government loses, May cannot trigger Article 50


Making Kizzy Happy

http://news.sky.com/story/may-cannot-trigger-brexit-government-loses-high-court-case-10642756

[Kizzy]

Brexit court case: Government loses, May cannot trigger Article 50


Making Kizzy Happy

http://news.sky.com/story/may-cannot-trigger-brexit-government-loses-high-court-case-10642756

It did :)

[Alf]

If you're for the EU, is Labour your party?

https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/john-mcdonnell-rails-against-elites-and-stands-by-british-people-for-positive-brexit/

[Cherie]

If you're for the EU, is Labour your party?

https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/john-mcdonnell-rails-against-elites-and-stands-by-british-people-for-positive-brexit/

This is why Labour are losing support, they didn't have the balls to go with the out campaign even though that's what their leader wanted

[arista]

They can debate it , in both houses
no problem


But No Fecking Voting
Only Debates

[Kizzy]

This is why Labour are losing support, they didn't have the balls to go with the out campaign even though that's what their leader wanted

I think you'll find the leader said he was 7/10 for brexit, he was referring to a tory brexit which is proving to be a cluster**** waiting to happen.

[Cherie]

I think you'll find the leader said he was 7/10 for brexit, he was referring to a tory brexit which is proving to be a cluster**** waiting to happen.

Did Labour campaign for leave?

And given the government didn't have a plan for Brexit, I'm 100 per cent sure the opposition had none either and still don't :laugh:

[arista]

Did Labour campaign for leave?

And given the government didn't have a plan for Brexit, I'm 100 per cent sure the opposition had none either and still don't :laugh:

Yes Kate Hoey Labour MP
was part of Boris Leave group/


There is a Zone Up North Labour Voters
but they want out the EU

[arista]

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e8653729a4e4e86815db12673396426d7a65f711/50_0_3848_2309/master/3848.jpg?w=300&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&

[Cherie]

Yes Kate Hoey Labour MP
was part of Boris Leave group/


There is a Zone Up North Labour Voters
but they want out the EU



Don't split hairs Arista, Labour in the main and its leader were remainers, of course there was the odd dissident voice

[Kizzy]

Did Labour campaign for leave?

And given the government didn't have a plan for Brexit, I'm 100 per cent sure the opposition had none either and still don't :laugh:

Sorry, I meant 7/10 for remain, he didn't have 10/10 faith in tory brexit and as you say with good reason :laugh:

[Cherie]

Sorry, I meant 7/10 for remain, he didn't have 10/10 faith in tory brexit and as you say with good reason :laugh:

:laugh:you silly moo

[arista]

Well Done Ian Dale Live on LBC
Right On.

You can not tell the Enemy your plan
until you Hit the A. 50 Button.

Then We will Bring Labour in Our office

its so Simple

[arista]

Don't split hairs Arista, Labour in the main and its leader were remainers, of course there was the odd dissident voice


I do not Split Hairs
Can Only post Facts


BotXXXDK777
No Fail


Life In The Fast Lane

[Kizzy]

:laugh:you silly moo

Hey! that's Mrs moo to you! :fist:


(I had been working all night) :(

[arista]

Thank You Andrew (ref : Sunday Politics 20/11/16)
James McGroay
co-executive director, "Open Britain" , did a video and edited all MP's of Leave in a fashion that created a FAKE VIDEO.


Sunday Politics BBC1
Well Done, again


Kirk did you miss that???????

[Northern Monkey]

Thank You Andrew (ref : Sunday Politics 20/11/16)
James McGroay
co-executive director, "Open Britain" , did a video and edited all MP's of Leave in a fashion that created a FAKE VIDEO.


Sunday Politics BBC1
Well Done, again


Kirk did you miss that???????I saw it.It was hilarious.Andrew Neil took him apart:laugh:
He chopped up bits of speeches.Even one from 2009.
He looked a mug.I bet he's not happy with that interview.

[Kizzy]

well well well

Arron Banks, Ukip's biggest donor and one of the first Britons to meet Donald Trump after his election victory, has denied claims he offered a “bribe” to a major UK political party in exchange for support for his Leave.EU Brexit campaign.

The allegation was made by senior figures in the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party, who said Mr Banks offered them a financial sum, thought to amount to six figures, if they chose to back the Ukip dominated Leave.EU campaign, instead of its rival Vote Leave.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arron-banks-denies-brexit-bribe-six-figure-dup-mps-ukip-a7455416.html

[Kizzy]

http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/353f9224-e34b-4f1b-ab00-5d4c09c7a28d?in=16:31:10&out=16:38:45

[Kizzy]

Government amendment passed by 461 votes to 89 - a majority of 372

The government amendment has passed by 461 votes to 89 - a majority of 372.

[arista]

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March next year Confirmed.

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