The EU - Referendum - 23rd of June 2016 - in or out?

[Livia]

Perhaps someone would say exactly WHY some ministers are against May's deal. At the moment it looks like it's all about personal image and how their soundbites reflect back on themselves.

Get. On. With. It.

[Livia]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/B496/production/_104503264_sun-front-page-for-27_11_20.jpg

BBC TV debate Sunday 9th dec

I'll be watching I'm A Celebrity... and I don't usually.

[arista]

The PM only wants the Labour Leader
to debate live on BBC1HD.

Many have said it should
be this weekend not 2 days before the vote in Parliament

[Nicky91]

The PM only wants the Labour Leader
to debate live on BBC1HD.

Many have said it should
be this weekend not 2 days before the vote in Parliament

some even speculate if UK is doing a ''no deal brexit'' they could still go into talks with EU after that, i was reading this last night, on wiki page of brexit negotiations

but most think UK is going back how it was before the EU existed, that could happen with a no deal brexit, and a ''no deal brexit'' is realistic now because most in Parliament are against May her deal

[Nicky91]

no deal brexit will be worse for the british economy than May's brexit deal

[arista]

no deal brexit will be worse for the British economy than May's brexit deal

Of course

[arista]

The PM has Confirmed she will debate
The Labour Leader wants it on ITV before
the Jungle Celebrity final. (he was on itv's This Morning)


[The Labour leader said on Thursday morning that he had agreed
to the proposal being offered by rival ITV
but not the format being offered by the BBC.]

https://news.sky.com/story/may-vs-corbyn-tv-debate-on-brexit-confirmed-11566716

[Zizu]

Great ... chance to see two well practiced liars at work ..


Think I'll give it a miss ... tbh


It's very odd that we accept it when these people get up on stage and just say what we want them to say or what they think we want them to say ..

I'd like to hear some honesty one of these fine days ..

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[arista]

The PM was Live in Parliament Brexit Questions
Session 9AM today for 90mins
Again never revealing her Plan B.
Sticking her to Stubborn Plan
that everyone has said will not get enough votes
on Tuesday 11th Dec , in Parliament.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-aims-to-block-theresa-mays-botched-brexit-11566375

[Underscore]

As much as I love politics and would choose the debate over IAC in a heartbeat... there is nothing appealing of watching a debate with Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. What an utter waste of time.

Will be hoping Theresa May wins though.

[arista]

As much as I love politics and would choose the debate over IAC in a heartbeat... there is nothing appealing of watching a debate with Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. What an utter waste of time.

Will be hoping Theresa May wins though.


There saying it maybe 7PM
well before the ITV Jungle final show.

[Maru]

As much as I love politics and would choose the debate over IAC in a heartbeat... there is nothing appealing of watching a debate with Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. What an utter waste of time.

Will be hoping Theresa May wins though.

I might watch just to learn more about the UK political scene in general. Why would it be boring though? Do they just stick to well-rehearsed talking points? (i.e. a Hillary Clinton kind of debate)

[Underscore]

I might watch just to learn more about the UK political scene in general. Why would it be boring though? Do they just stick to well-rehearsed talking points? (i.e. a Hillary Clinton kind of debate)

Leave Hillary :oh:

But it's just boring. I'm a BOB - Bored of Brexit!
Also why would I miss IAC for some stupid debate where we already know their positions (well... maybe not Corbyns)

[Maru]

no deal brexit will be worse for the british economy than May's brexit deal

We'll certainly be OK, Nicky :love: But I do think our UK friends will be fine whatever arises, they'll get through. Right now it seems like a bit of an intentional stalemate to stall them leaving and it's to be expected with the high stakes involved...

[Maru]

Leave Hillary :oh:

But it's just boring. I'm a BOB - Bored of Brexit!
Also why would I miss IAC for some stupid debate where we already know their positions (well... maybe not Corbyns)

I watched a documentary yesterday and I can see where it can get boring. There's not much to "watch" except an increasingly nuanced "holding pattern"... what is the debate is for? If Corbyn wins the Thunderdome, does this mean he gets to go to Brussels as an alternate negotation partner...? :|?

[joeysteele]

There's no point in any debate.
If she was asking voters via a referendum fair enough.
She isn't.

Voters cannot vote in parliament.
All she is doing is hardening and further alienating those against her plan among MPs.

A debate with her is futile, she won't listen to anyone else, she sidesteps and waffles on from the set tape playing in her own head.

Nothing will change.
If I was choosing I'd take the ITV format, the BBC now get bogged down on certain points and turn a debate into anyone other than the main people involved.

It was aimed to be a head to head.
Corbyn will reveal nothing, he will want to hold any hand he has until the actual vote is done.

Mrs May will spout out her set script and dismiss any other view as usual.

MPs for or against her deal likely ending up as frustrated by her as even her own MPs questioning her today.
When she just failed to be convincing or really answer their main point.

This for me, any debates are a waste of time.
If she was holding a referendum on her deal, fair enough.
She isn't however so any debate is now at this point pointless.

[arista]

Great Points Joey

[arista]

[Minister for universities and science resigns
over May's 'naive' Brexit deal]
Sam Gyimah MP

That's number 7 that's resigned from the cabinet


https://news.sky.com/story/minister-for-universities-and-science-resigns-over-mays-naive-brexit-deal-11568347

[Cherie]

Sorry Arista but the people's vote is coming

[arista]

Sorry Arista but the people's vote is coming


The PM has said No

[arista]

The PM on itv this morning
loads of the same thing - nothing new

[arista]

The PM on itv this morning
loads of the same thing - nothing new


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/03/11/6940094-6454273-image-m-3_1543836480299.jpg

[joeysteele]

The PM on itv this morning
loads of the same thing - nothing new

It's all she ever does, nothing new.
Any debates with whoever, never mind Corbyn, will be the same.

She has a set script in her head which she won't move from.
So nothing will ever be answered.

The same applies to Corbyn, however he's not in government so needs to holds any cards be has close to his chest.
Pointless to debate with her as she simply does not listen to anyone else anyway.

She's tried to show strength, she's effectively wasted over 2 years.
However strength is not real strength if it's rigid with no flexibility when needed.

She's divided not united, and it appears failed to satisfy either sides of the argument.
We are heading to be left with either leaving with no deal in place.
Or not leaving at all thanks to her mishandling.

It's a mystery to me how she is now even believed as to what she says politically, never mind trusted with this massive issue.

[Alf]

The PM only wants the Labour Leader
to debate live on BBC1HD.

Many have said it should
be this weekend not 2 days before the vote in ParliamentTwo remainers debating our exit, great. Well I think Corbyn is a remainer, it's hard to tell with him.

Channel 4 are plotting for a debate between Boris vs Blair. at least that would be a more balanced debate.

[arista]

Two remainers debating our exit, great. Well I think Corbyn is a remainer, it's hard to tell with him.

Channel 4 are plotting for a debate between Boris vs Blair. at least that would be a more balanced debate.




Yes Boris vs Blair
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/channel-4-plots-boris-johnson-v-tony-blair-on-brexit-9dhvgf6tm
on CH4HD could be good

[arista]

The PM is Live in Parliament
yet again , 3:30PM
G20 Update and her Brexit mess

[arista]

The Giant Attorney General Geoffrey Cox
is taking legal questions on Brexit,
refusing to publish full legal advice.

Labour MP's are angry

The Big Fella is going to answer questions
one by one only.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-at-least-90-votes-short-of-brexit-deal-support-11570544
[LIVE: 'There’s nothing to see here' - government battles publishing full Brexit legal advice]

[arista]

The BBC has now said they cannot get a agreement
on a TV debate.

So now it's just ITV for The PM and Corbyn.


[BBC pulls out of hosting Brexit deal TV debate between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn]

https://news.sky.com/story/mps-gear-up-for-marathon-five-day-brexit-deal-debate-11571280

[arista]

[B]The Fight over the legal document of the Brexit Legal Papers

They just lost the 2nd vote
[MPs vote by 311 to 293 to find ministers in contempt of parliament
over their failure to publish the full legal advice on the Brexit deal.]
BREAKING: Government found in contempt of parliament



The Government will say Tomorrow
when it will be published in Full.


After that vote
The Pound did a massive drop.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/6EA2/production/_104622382_tel5.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/10AE2/production/_104622386_mir5.jpg

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https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15902/production/_104622388_ex5.jpg

Some of today's newspapers

[Cherie]

Its interesting that the European judges have ruled Article 50 can be revoked with no input from the other 27 countries :hee:

[arista]

Its interesting that the European judges have ruled Article 50 can be revoked with no input from the other 27 countries :hee:



At PMQ's the PM said she will not do that.

[Withano]

At PMQ's the PM said she will not do that.

She wont need to do anything ever again at this rate

[arista]

Another 3:30PM Statement from the PM
in Parliament today

[Nicky91]

what could it be, May's resignation as PM or is that bit too unrealistic

[arista]

what could it be, May's resignation as PM or is that bit too unrealistic


Could be the Vote tomorrow - stopped
as she goes back to the EU

[Nicky91]

Could be the Vote tomorrow - stopped
as she goes back to the EU

yes that could be true

[Cherie]

what could it be, May's resignation as PM or is that bit too unrealistic

No she won't resign at this point,I think the vote will be cancelled as it is clear it won't get though

[arista]

The PM is Live
saying she will not have a vote tomorrow.
However, Bercow may try to force a vote to happen.



[Replying to @KateEMcCann
This is EXACTLY what the PM’s aides feared and suspected would happen.
Bercow is trying to bounce May into calling a vote which he knows she stands a chance of losing,
forcing her into holding the meaningful vote tomorrow anyway.]

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-warns-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-is-not-going-to-change-11576927

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46509288

16:02

['Govern or quit' - Rees-Mogg's reaction
Jacob Rees-Mogg, chair of the pro-Brexit lobby known as the European Research Group,
has released a reaction to the PM's speech.
He says: "What has two years of Theresa May doing Brexit amounted to?
"An undeliverable deal parliament would roundly reject, if the prime minister has the gumption
to allow it to go before the House of Commons.
"This is not governing, it risks putting Jeremy Corbyn into government by failing to deliver Brexit.
"We cannot continue like this. The prime minister must either govern or quit."]



The PM has once again confirmed many times No 2nd Vote.

[smudgie]

Looking like the Hokey Cokey.
In out in out ra ra ra.
Just get on with it.
She is failing badly, time to go. I do feel sorry for her, but she can’t expect to be able to please everybody.:shrug:

[joeysteele]

She's making this an absolute total farce.

You can't believe a thing she says just about.
She shows utter disregard for voters and Parliament too.

[arista]

The PM is went see the Dutch PM
now off to Germany.

Meanwhile Corbyn is demanding
a Debate in Parliament this afternoon.


https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/992x558/skynews-theresa-may-angela-merkel_4515498.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181211120800]

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-heads-to-europe-in-search-for-brexit-lifeline-11577620

[arista]

Corbyn is Live in Parliament now
He is demanding a Election

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15218/production/_104725568_mail11dec.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/1D80/production/_104725570_guardian11dec.jpg

[Nicky91]

that vile parliament would never have agreed with anything from Theresa May because they all hate her

[arista]

that vile parliament would never have agreed with anything from Theresa May because they all hate her


sadly true Nicky

[Nicky91]

if a no deal brexit, then we dutch have to pay 3 billion to that stupid EU :sad:

[arista]

The Deputy PM David Lidington
said live in Parliament , 40mins ago
that no deal is still on the table


A couple more front pages


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/17928/production/_104725569_telegraph11dec.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/4490/production/_104725571_times11dec.jpg

[arista]

No wonder she is not doing the EU Vote
in Parliament yet , as if it fails
she may have to resign, many reports say.

So she has said the Vote will by Monday 21st of January 2019.

She also confirmed today she will not be the
the PM on her next General Election date 2022 May Month.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

No idea why she thought she would get help from Europe they have been in the driving seat since the off

[arista]

No idea why she thought she would get help from Europe they have been in the driving seat since the off


Very True Cherie

The PM is giving a Live Brussels New Conference shortly
she must admit - No Change in the deal, this week.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2018/12/14/15/alex-1.v1.v1.jpg
Late last night all news are are getting lip readers in.


[Juncker calls May 'woman of great courage' after spat ]

[arista]

The PM is Live now

[Nicky91]

1073678778717667328

[Withano]

1073678778717667328

Probably the leave campaigns most coherent argument yet

[Underscore]

1073678778717667328

ugh shut up already

[Nicky91]

ugh shut up already

+1

[arista]

The PM is Live in Parliament again
at around 3:30PM

Once Again saying NO 2nd vote

[Nicky91]

The PM is Live in Parliament again
at around 3:30PM

Once Again saying NO 2nd vote

ignoring the british people, that's the most stupid thing you can do as PM

and both her brexit deal or the no deal scenario could lead into riots in the UK between brexiteer camp and remainers camp i guess

[Crimson Dynamo]

ignoring the british people, that's the most stupid thing you can do as PM


sorry ,what on earth?

[arista]

Political Reporter
on LBC & SkyNewsHD Live both
just said the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn
will demand the Vote on the EU Deal today
and if she refuses, he will call
for a No Confidence Vote in the PM.

[Tom4784]

Political Reporter
on LBC just said the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn
will demand the Vote on the EU Deal today
and if she refuses, he will call
for a No Confidence Vote in the PM.

Seems foolish, it won't work and it'll make him look weak when the No Confidence vote fails.

[arista]

Seems foolish, it won't work and it'll make him look weak when the No Confidence vote fails.


Yes could well be that Dezzy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Corbyn is a mess on this subject. he has not said one decent thing in the last 2 months about Brexit

[arista]

The PM is Live now - all media

[arista]

The Labour Leader
did not call a No Confidence Vote.
Even though he had print out of her statement , 30mins before



Loads of MP's are moaning about the PM not blocking "No Deal"

The PM will Publish her No Deal plans next month, reports say.


[Theresa May announces Brexit deal vote will be in January]
[She condemns calls for a second referendum]
https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-condemn-calls-for-second-eu-referendum-11584184

[arista]

Corbyn did at the end
table a vote of No Confidence in the PM.
The PM then left.


[Labour no-confidence motion being tabled now
This is motion - “That this House has no confidence in the Prime Minister
due to her failure to allow the House of Commons to have a meaningful
vote straight away on the withdrawal agreement and framework
for the future relationship between the UK and the EU.”

Being tabled now

6:06 PM - Dec 17, 2018]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-condemn-calls-for-second-eu-referendum-11584184



Everyone is saying it will not change a thing.

[Withano]

Fun

[joeysteele]

This PM really has a major issue.
She hears voices but seems unable or unwilling to listen to what is being said.

This no confidence motion of Corbyn's is interesting.
He has stated no confidence in the PM.
This doesn't threaten the government.

Now over 100 Conservative MPs said last week they had no confidence in her, so let's see how they vote outside a secret ballot.

Also the DUP have accused her of betraying near all she's told them.
They say in their view she can't be trusted.

Let's see how they vote in this too then.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6510315/100-Days-Til-Brexit-ditches-key-manifesto-pledges-planning-No-Deal-doomsday-steps-up.html

No Deal Brexit doomsday preparation plans begin

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6510315/100-Days-Til-Brexit-ditches-key-manifesto-pledges-planning-No-Deal-doomsday-steps-up.html

No Deal Brexit doomsday preparation plans begin

Yes 100 days to the Brexit Date
29 March 2019
But many MP's say they can stop No Deal
by votes against it.


[Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom said today that she believes a
'managed no deal' Brexit is possible if the PM's plan cannot get past Parliament]

[Nicky91]

Yes 100 days to the Brexit Date
29 March 2019
But many MP's say they can stop No Deal
by votes against it.


[Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom said today that she believes a
'managed no deal' Brexit is possible if the PM's plan cannot get past Parliament]

that's why it's good May is preparing for a no deal scenario, warning businesses for empty shelfs in stores and lack of supply income from other countries

like we dutch provide you with flowers, or the spanish provide you with prosecco

[Livia]

that's why it's good May is preparing for a no deal scenario, warning businesses for empty shelfs in stores and lack of supply income from other countries

like we dutch provide you with flowers, or the spanish provide you with prosecco

Prosecco is Italian. Anyhoo… all those Dutch and Italian countries who supply us with stuff to buy are also going to suffer. Dutch bulb producers, German car makers, French wine producers... we import a lot of stuff from Europe and if we suddenly stop, it won't only be businesses in this country who struggle. The EU ought to remember that.

[Tom4784]

Imagine thinking that no longer trading with the UK could cause trouble for the EU.

The EU hold all the cards, we're the ones that are ultimately desperate for a deal and they've known that since the start. The UK is not a superpower in any sense, we don't have the clout to put pressure on the EU at all from outside of it and we aren't a big enough country to tip the balance of business if EU countries could no longer trade with us.

[Beso]

Imagine thinking that no longer trading with the UK could cause trouble for the EU.

The EU hold all the cards, we're the ones that are ultimately desperate for a deal and they've known that since the start. The UK is not a superpower in any sense, we don't have the clout to put pressure on the EU at all from outside of it and we aren't a big enough country to tip the balance of business if EU countries could no longer trade with us.

Do you think France wants more riots as it's people stand side by side with their wine and cheese importers?

Do you think the pressure all the people from all the losing out trades that export to us will.put on their governments will not be on their minds?

To be honest, Imo. Both sides hold some cards, only the turn and the river will decide what happens in this game...I'm going split pot.

[Tom4784]

Do you think France wants more riots as it's people stand side by side with their wine and cheese importers?

Do you think the pressure all the people from all the losing out trades that export to us will.put on their governments will not be on their minds?

To be honest, Imo. Both sides hold some cards, only the turn and the river will decide what happens in this game...I'm going split pot.

We're not the be all and end all, there's not going to be riots in other countries because we're risking going out with no deal.

[Beso]

We're not the be all and end all, there's not going to be riots in other countries because we're risking going out with no deal.

I'm not so sure because I know of 5 other EU countries who's polls are showing a 60 40 split in favour of having a referendum to leave the EU

Britain and it's leave voters are the brave ones who took the firest steps..once we are out many will follow, but I don't think our European cousins will be as calm and peaceful in its demands to be heard.

[arista]

Yes The EU
hates No Deal /WTO.

It could be the only deal,

[Underscore]

I'm not so sure because I know of 5 other EU countries who's polls are showing a 60 40 split in favour of having a referendum to leave the EU

Britain and it's leave voters are the brave ones who took the firest steps..once we are out many will follow, but I don't think our European cousins will be as calm and peaceful in its demands to be heard.

Calm and peaceful??

The country is literally torn in two and I doubt it will ever stick back together.

[Nicky91]

Calm and peaceful??

The country is literally torn in two and I doubt it will ever stick back together.

with us it's because of our province Fryslan (who think they are their own country) even having their own national anthem


so no us dutch aren't united by far

[Cherie]

Calm and peaceful??

The country is literally torn in two and I doubt it will ever stick back together.

a war would unite us :laugh:

[Beso]

Calm and peaceful??

The country is literally torn in two and I doubt it will ever stick back together.

As yet I ain't seen any baton wielding boys in blue attacking protestor. .so yes, it is calm and peaceful..compared to the brave French who unite as one.

[arista]

[https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis

Pro-Brexit - Putin, Trump, Orban, Salvini
Anti-Brexit - Varadkar, Merkel, the rest of the EU

Er, which side should we be on?]


Typical of Him
he does not want Brexit to go on.

[Tom4784]

I'm not so sure because I know of 5 other EU countries who's polls are showing a 60 40 split in favour of having a referendum to leave the EU

Britain and it's leave voters are the brave ones who took the firest steps..once we are out many will follow, but I don't think our European cousins will be as calm and peaceful in its demands to be heard.

Lol at calm and peaceful. If you think these past couple of years have been peaceful then you haven't been paying attention.

In the wake of the vote, the rate of hate crime has jumped up significantly and the leave side, in their efforts to stick their head in the sand over their poor choices, have taken to pointing fingers at anyone who doesn't think like they do and promoting a false sense of democracy that basically boils down to 'If you don't believe what I believe, you don't believe in democracy'.

It's the Trump tactic tbh, when everything's going wrong because of choices made by the people in power and poor choices in voting, focus on the opposition and a long since ended vote to distract everyone from how ****ed things are. The country is divided and is a melting pot. If you think this process will inspire others to do the same then you need to really look at the facts and not just the ones that have been twisted to suit your agenda.

'Brave voters' lol..... Judging by how the Leave side have acted and divided since their victory, they would have probably rioted if Remain won.

[Beso]

FYI dezzy....race attacks rose and have risen since the Manchester attack...and a lot of that is down to that labour bloke who kept standing up telling everyone to stand together and beat the terrorists. .

[Nicky91]

after March next year i can imagine UK crawling back to the EU on hands and knees when british public realizes the brexit isn't as good as they are thinking it would've been

but Out is Out, never come back to our EU


and i don't think america will be an ally to UK, simply because they have their own troubles with Trump

[arista]

Corbyn has given up on Europe. For the good of Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/24/corbyn-given-up-europe-labour-brexit-vote

So both sides want Brexit now.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-would-go-ahead-if-labour-won-snap-election-says-jeremy-corbyn-11588568

[Nicky91]

i would advise the british remainers to migrate to other european countries, cause staying in the brexit country isn't a good option for them

[Nicky91]

Happy Brexit Day will be every 29th March then

[Nicky91]

M3yfVT601DE

[Cherie]

Corbyn has given up on Europe. For the good of Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/24/corbyn-given-up-europe-labour-brexit-vote

So both sides want Brexit now.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-would-go-ahead-if-labour-won-snap-election-says-jeremy-corbyn-11588568

He will be voting for Mays deal then I take it

[arista]

He will be voting for Mays deal then I take it


No he will not
he has his own Brexit plan

[Cherie]

No he will not
he has his own Brexit plan

he isn't in power to implement it though, and by the time he is in power, he won't be able to as we will have left without a deal, so is he going to put his own interests first?

[Nicky91]

well knowing Corbyn he's attention seeker, i think he will make his own brexit plan even after UK left without a deal cause then May probably no longer PM if her deal failed again, and there Corbyn sees his chance to become new PM

[arista]

[Publicity drive to prepare public for
possible 'no-deal' Brexit
The campaign will feature radio and social media broadcasts
and will aim to "further raise awareness"
about the potential impacts.]

[Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay
said that scenario would be
"far more likely" if MPs reject
Theresa May's agreement when
it is put to vote later this month.]

https://news.sky.com/story/publicity-drive-to-prepare-public-for-possible-no-deal-brexit-11597637

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/03/11/8083418-6552421-image-a-4_1546514108095.jpg
Barclay Brexit Secretary

[Nicky91]

if no deal brexit, we will have more border security control, at irish-northern irish border for example, but also at our dutch airport schiphol more border security, to prevent illegal visiting the EU from british people

[Cherie]

if no deal brexit, we will have more border security control, at irish-northern irish border for example, but also at our dutch airport schiphol more border security, to prevent illegal visiting the EU from british people

:clap1: great news

[Nicky91]

[/B]

:clap1: great news

no, it costs 2.3 billion for us to do this

[Cherie]

no, it costs 2.3 billion for us to do this

Wont they just join the non EU queue, so how is it costing 2.3 billion

[arista]

[DUP: There is no way we will vote for
Theresa May's Brexit deal
The prime minister's government
partners deliver a hammer blow with
less than two weeks to go until the final vote.]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/1096x616/skynews-eu-clock-brexit_4531391.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181227185034

https://news.sky.com/story/dup-there-is-no-way-we-will-vote-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-11598488

Sign Of The Times

[Nicky91]

how boring and predictable, they will never agree to may's deal cause leaving with no deal would also mean the end of may as PM which is exactly what these idiots want :(

[arista]

["If the deal is not voted on at this vote that
is coming up, then actually we are
going to be in uncharted territory,"
she told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.]



The PM spoke nothing new today.

Parliament is open tomorrow.

[arista]

The Labour Leader 3:30PM Live Parliament
today has a Urgent question booked. YET AGAIN.

All media due to go live on it.


The PM's DELAYED vote is for next Tuesday 15th

[arista]

No PM there
so Corbyn talks to the Brexit Secretary Barclay
https://e3.365dm.com/19/01/992x558/skynews-stephen-barclay-tory_4539905.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190107154355


Corbyn Shouted back
"No More Hiding or Running Away"

[Sticks]

So we are now headed for a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a glorious No Deal Hard Brexit

The best news is we will get a hard border across Northern Ireland, hopefully with razor wire and then we will see the end of the Good Friday Surrender and Capitulation to the IRA

ICING ON THE CAKE!!!!!

[Sticks]

Well this is what we are going to get thanks to the Labour Party planning to vote down the only deal in town...

[arista]

Yes Today The Conservatives confirmed
a No Deal is still on the way , once the PM's Deal is no going through.

[Sticks]

Yes Today The Conservatives confirmed
a No Deal is still on the way , once the PM's Deal is no going through.

And it will be the Labour Party sending us to the glorious era of Hard No Deal Brexit, finally fulfilling their 1983 election manifesto pledge :dance:

[arista]

And it will be the Labour Party sending us to the glorious era of Hard No Deal Brexit, finally fulfilling their 1983 election manifesto pledge :dance:


Sticks The Labour Party 6 tests are a Joke,
he wants a Election - But No Conservative MP
will back that.

[Alf]

Yes Today The Conservatives confirmed
a No Deal is still on the way , once the PM's Deal is no going through.Oh no! The end of the World nigh!

[arista]

Oh no! The end of the World nigh!



Yes we will sink in the Sea

[arista]

Good on Adam Boulton SkyNewsHD 9AM to 11AM
gives us 2 Hours Mon - Fri from outside Parliament


BBC2HD gives us Studio Politics Live
from the near Westminster
but only 45mins , now.

[Nicky91]

So we are now headed for a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a glorious No Deal Hard Brexit

The best news is we will get a hard border across Northern Ireland, hopefully with razor wire and then we will see the end of the Good Friday Surrender and Capitulation to the IRA

ICING ON THE CAKE!!!!!

lmao, you'll be disappointed when brexit's true colours are shown, and it was just a scheme from rees-mogg, farage, johnson, gove to become richer than they already are


a brexit could work only when there is genuine intention for independence (from people's brexiteers i believe it to be genuine but not from rees-mogg, farage, gove)

[Nicky91]

1082754270942892036

[arista]

Nicky
feck the BBC hype
No Deal can only be can be stopped by the PM

[arista]

Corbyn The Labour Leader PMQ's live
has said the same words as last year,
he demands a General Election after she loses EU vote.

Problem he has,
no Conservative will back that.

[arista]

Another Vote just lost

The Sneaky Speaker
permitted a Fix
Now the PM no longer has 21 days
after her possible lost vote on
Tuesday next week,
IT IS CHANGED TO 3 Days


https://news.sky.com/story/live-brexit-deal-critics-trying-to-deny-reality-pms-deputy-11602548

So Friday next week The PM must speak
of her NEXT plan.

[Sticks]

But the only other option is a hard Brexit without a deal on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland, an new golden era

[The Slim Reaper]

Are brexiters little more than terrorists at this point, determined to **** the country up in order to make sure they "won".

[arista]

But the only other option is a hard Brexit without a deal on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland, an new golden era


We will have to see if the South
puts a border in.


Nothing is confirmed yet

[arista]

Are brexiters little more than terrorists at this point, determined to **** the country up in order to make sure they "won".


No is the PM's fault
she changed it all.

[The Slim Reaper]

No is the PM's fault
she changed it all.

So is anything brexiters fault? We've seen the outrage on these forums alone when a 2nd referendum was even discussed, because "they won" and that's all that counts.

A major problem is that it takes intelligence to hold up your hand and admit you're wrong, but unfortunately that is sadly lacking with brexiters.

[arista]

So is anything brexiters fault? We've seen the outrage on these forums alone when a 2nd referendum was even discussed, because "they won" and that's all that counts.

A major problem is that it takes intelligence to hold up your hand and admit you're wrong, but unfortunately that is sadly lacking with brexiters.

No One is wrong.

At this day today No 2nd vote
can happen.
The EU has its own elections in the Summer this year.


The PM last may , changed
all the set out plans
she fecked it up.
Not us Voters

[Alf]

Are brexiters little more than terrorists at this point, determined to **** the country up in order to make sure they "won".Wow, we're now terrorists.

Be careful what you call people, you could be arrested for a hate crime. Then again, probably not, because your hate is aimed at the right people.

[The Slim Reaper]

Wow, we're now terrorists.

Be careful what you call people, you could be arrested for a hate crime. Then again, probably not, because your hate is aimed at the right people.

So the folks that revel in calling people snowflakes and SJW's are now the victims in all this and don't like being called names? This right here is the perfect example of the cognitive dissonance of the right. I've asked you before why you voted to leave and you had nothing to say, because even brexiters have the self awareness to say that it's because of brown people is not a good look. After everything that we know now, nevermind when the vote was taken, the desire to ram this through regardless of the consequences is retarded.

[Alf]

So the folks that revel in calling people snowflakes and SJW's are now the victims in all this and don't like being called names? This right here is the perfect example of the cognitive dissonance of the right. I've asked you before why you voted to leave and you had nothing to say, because even brexiters have the self awareness to say that it's because of brown people is not a good look. After everything that we know now, nevermind when the vote was taken, the desire to ram this through regardless of the consequences is retarded.Everything you know now? What exactly do you know now and who told you?

And thanks for ending by calling us retarded.

[Nicky91]

well honestly you guys will find out what this brexit's true colours are, sadly when it's too late though

[Alf]

well honestly you guys will find out what this brexit's true colours are, sadly when it's too late thoughBrexit isn't a Big Brother contestant, it doesn't have true colours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well honestly you guys will find out what this brexit's true colours are, sadly when it's too late though

Sadly

Do you know the future?

[The Slim Reaper]

Everything you know now? What exactly do you know now and who told you?

And thanks for ending by calling us retarded.

Yet again dude, you ignore everything else in order to pretend you're being called names and victimised.

[The Slim Reaper]

Brexit isn't a Big Brother contestant, it doesn't have true colours.

Sadly

Do you know the future?

Ooh look, you two show up in unison to have a go at Nicky; what are the chances?

[Nicky91]

Ooh look, you two show up in unison to have a go at Nicky; what are the chances?

i just know from what i read, and what i read is the no deal brexit is good for rees-mogg, farage, johnson, gove financially speaking

there is no genuine desire for independence, if there was then a brexit would work, there's more desire to up their bank balance

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ooh look, you two show up in unison to have a go at Nicky; what are the chances?

Why are you so angry and scared all the time?

It must be exhausting :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i just know from what i read, and what i read is the no deal brexit is good for rees-mogg, farage, johnson, gove financially speaking

there is no genuine desire for independence, if there was then a brexit would work, there's more desire to up their bank balance

Nicky that genuinely makes no sense at all

[Nicky91]

Nicky that genuinely makes no sense at all

no of course not, you brexiteers are blinded for now


i'm neutral in this, i can see things more clear i guess

[The Slim Reaper]

Why are you so angry and scared all the time?

It must be exhausting :shrug:

So I point out how you gang up on Nicky, and you're only reply is to try and get a ruse out of me. I enjoy a good bit of trolling as much as the next man but when it's all you do, you become a bit transparent. Thanks for playing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So I point out how you gang up on Nicky, and you're only reply is to try and get a ruse out of me. I enjoy a good bit of trolling as much as the next man but when it's all you do, you become a bit transparent. Thanks for playing.

Please see my previous question

:confused:

[Crimson Dynamo]

no of course not, you brexiteers are blinded for now


i'm neutral in this, i can see things more clear i guess

Yes that must be it

[Nicky91]

if i would be in charge of brexit, then there would be a genuine desire for independence


this brexit from farage, rees-mogg is a disgrace for the UK


i can do it way better than them, also thinking of the normal british people first

[The Slim Reaper]

Please see my previous question

:confused:

Please see the post you're replying to, or should we wait for Alf to get here so he can back you up?

[Twosugars]

TSR, Nicky is an easy target so he usually gets it

[arista]

well honestly you guys will find out what this brexit's true colours are, sadly when it's too late though


We will be OK
a Slight
Re Set.


We will still get our Fresh Fish
from your nation
as they pack it all up for many stores,


Money makes the World go on.

[arista]

At Parliament now
There is a Group of Lads
Shouting Out Means Out

And all day on the Live TV news there
a Old Fecker has a Cart with a Fecking Bell
which he rings non fecking stop

[arista]

if i would be in charge of brexit, then there would be a genuine desire for independence


this brexit from farage, rees-mogg is a disgrace for the UK


i can do it way better than them, also thinking of the normal british people first

NICKY
Nigel is a MEP
not in Our Government

[arista]

So I point out how you gang up on Nicky, and you're only reply is to try and get a ruse out of me. I enjoy a good bit of trolling as much as the next man but when it's all you do, you become a bit transparent. Thanks for playing.


No you talk good sense.


But in the End
Goods and Food make Money
so business will Correct things after
the 29th of March 11PM

[Twosugars]

**** brexit, arista

second referendum, let people decide :dance:

[Matthew.]

NICKY
Nigel is a MEP
not in Our Government

oop

[arista]

**** brexit, arista

second referendum, let people decide :dance:


No Time for That


You never know
it could work out better even for you

[Cherie]

Another Vote just lost

The Sneaky Speaker
permitted a Fix
Now the PM no longer has 21 days
after her possible lost vote on
Tuesday next week,
IT IS CHANGED TO 3 Days


https://news.sky.com/story/live-brexit-deal-critics-trying-to-deny-reality-pms-deputy-11602548

So Friday next week The PM must speak
of her NEXT plan.

tbf it may as well be 3 days she knows it won't get through

[Twosugars]

No Time for That


You never know
it could work out better even for you

EU would extend the deadline

we must save the country

Europe is where we belong

area of freedom for people, goods and services, from Lisbon to Riga, from Inverness to Dubrovnik, our beautiful Europe :cheer2:

[arista]

EU would extend the deadline

we must save the country

Europe is where we belong

area of freedom for people, goods and services, from Lisbon to Riga, from Inverness to Dubrovnik, our beautiful Europe :cheer2:


The EU has its own elections in the Summer



We will be saved
after 11PM 29th March
this year

[Crimson Dynamo]

EU would extend the deadline

we must save the country

Europe is where we belong

area of freedom for people, goods and services, from Lisbon to Riga, from Inverness to Dubrovnik, our beautiful Europe :cheer2:

I think you are confusing geography with trading agreements

We will always be part of Europe

[arista]

tbf it may as well be 3 days she knows it won't get through


Sure it will never go through


Rock On
No Deal /WTO

[Crimson Dynamo]

TSR, Nicky is an easy target so he usually gets it

He makes himself so

As has been stated many times before

[Twosugars]

I think you are confusing geography with trading agreements

We will always be part of Europe

go away you imperialist has-been

[Alf]

go away you imperialist has-beenOh no! it's the current year.

[Crimson Dynamo]

go away you imperialist has-been

Mr has been, to you

[MTVN]

Bercow is a disgrace to his office, should have been removed a long time ago when it turned out he'd presided over a culture of bullying in Westminster but he got away with it

[arista]

Bercow is a disgrace to his office, should have been removed a long time ago when it turned out he'd presided over a culture of bullying in Westminster but he got away with it



Bang On Right MTVN

[Sticks]

We will always be part of Europe

Never

Never

NEVER!!!!! :fist:

We have had a peoples vote, it was 23 June 2016

We voted to leave

Leaving with a deal was not on the ballot form

We are leaving on 29 March with a Hard Brexit with no deal on WTO terms and we are regaining a hard physical border with the Irish Republic, (razor wire will suffice) and this will end that Good Friday Agreement which many in Ulster saw as a surrender and capitulation to the IRA.

No concessions, No Compromise, No Surrender.

Sorry just need to wipe the foam from my mouth as I channel the Late Ian Paisley in his early years:crazy:

[Sticks]

Or was that Ree Smog -I was channelling, it is so hard to tell them apart nowadays... :shrug:

[Nicky91]

go away you imperialist has-been

truth tea spilled, uk definitely still thinks they are an empire while in fact they are nothing, and this brexit only makes them look like more fools towards the rest of the world

[arista]

78 days to go
Debate now on BBCnewsHD

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/sa_o8SdJXL_yEQnnKGM_MQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/OBTkVIYRoikbjpY9TiLQ_1001%20Guardian.JPG

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[Niamh.]

Never

Never

NEVER!!!!! :fist:

We have had a peoples vote, it was 23 June 2016

We voted to leave

Leaving with a deal was not on the ballot form

We are leaving on 29 March with a Hard Brexit with no deal on WTO terms and we are regaining a hard physical border with the Irish Republic, (razor wire will suffice) and this will end that Good Friday Agreement which many in Ulster saw as a surrender and capitulation to the IRA.

No concessions, No Compromise, No Surrender.

Sorry just need to wipe the foam from my mouth as I channel the Late Ian Paisley in his early years:crazy:

Oh look someone who has no ****ing clue about Irish history and no regard for the "Irish" portion of Northern Irish citizens. You stole that country from us but act like the IRA just sprung from no where for no reason? (not justifying the IRAs methods here but learn some history before spouting that s**t)

[arista]

The Labour Leader
is Live on all media at Wakefield
he demands a general election,

No Conservative will back him
so waste of time

[Cherie]

Oh look someone who has no ****ing clue about Irish history and no regard for the "Irish" portion of Northern Irish citizens. You stole that country from us but act like the IRA just sprung from no where for no reason? (not justifying the IRAs methods here but learn some history before spouting that s**t)


i didn't know if he was being sarcastic or not, but if not it is a very uninformed viewpoint

[Niamh.]

i didn't know if he was being sarcastic or not, but if not it is a very uninformed viewpoint

I hope he's being sarcastic

[Sticks]

The Labour Leader
is Live on all media at Wakefield
he demands a general election,

No Conservative will back him
so waste of time

St Jeremy cares only about getting into No 10, if that means we crash out without a deal then "Oh dear never mind"

If he really cared about not having a hard Brexit then Labour would support May's deal, the only one the EU is prepared to give.

[arista]

St Jeremy cares only about getting into No 10, if that means we crash out without a deal then "Oh dear never mind"

If he really cared about not having a hard Brexit then Labour would support May's deal, the only one the EU is prepared to give.


He is Fool
as no Conservatives will back his idea.

[The Slim Reaper]

He is Fool
as no Conservatives will back his idea.

So conservatives screw this whole process up but Corbyn is the fool? I actually disagree with JC on this issue. Labour should be the party for a 2nd referendum and no brexit.

[Sticks]

Oh look someone who has no ****ing clue about Irish history and no regard for the "Irish" portion of Northern Irish citizens. You stole that country from us but act like the IRA just sprung from no where for no reason? (not justifying the IRAs methods here but learn some history before spouting that s**t)

Ok you want to go into history, how far do you want to go? 1167, 1534?

The six counties of Northern Ireland were not stolen but were the protestant areas when Ireland was split in to two by the 1921 Government of Ireland Act. The other 26 counties were given independence in 1937 when a new constitution abolished the Irish Free State and proclaimed EIRE (Gaelic for Ireland) as an independent, sovereign state.

You then have the IRA breaking away from the IRB committing violence leading to the rise of the UVF to counter them.

The majority in the northern 6 counties wish to remain British, and the UK Government respects that, so we are where we are

If you have a personal stake, so do I, when we were growing up, because of my father's job in the civil service we were considered by the IRA as legitimate targets. We were not allowed to handle the post, or get in the cars until they had been checked. We lived under the shadow of the IRA, and as I said to some the Good Friday agreement amounted to a sop to Sien Fein/ IRA and a total capitulation and surrender to the men of blood and violence. People who had murdered women and children with indiscriminate bombings, like Warrington

[Sticks]

i didn't know if he was being sarcastic or not, but if not it is a very uninformed viewpoint

I thought the post afterwards referring to Ree Smog would have been an indicator, along with my reference to the late Reverend Doctor Ian Paisley of the DUP and his two catch phrases of "Never, Never, Never" and "No concession, no compromise, No surrender"

I have studied history, I have lived through history as mentioned in my previous post. We had the men of blood and violence trying to bomb and shoot their way to the table and force those who wish to remain British to be governed by a foreign power and another religion.

[Niamh.]

Ok you want to go into history, how far do you want to go? 1167, 1534?

The six counties of Northern Ireland were not stolen but were the protestant areas when Ireland was split in to two by the 1921 Government of Ireland Act. The other 26 counties were given independence in 1937 when a new constitution abolished the Irish Free State and proclaimed EIRE (Gaelic for Ireland) as an independent, sovereign state.

You then have the IRA breaking away from the IRB committing violence leading to the rise of the UVF to counter them.

The majority in the northern 6 counties wish to remain British, and the UK Government respects that, so we are where we are

If you have a personal stake, so do I, when we were growing up, because of my father's job in the civil service we were considered by the IRA as legitimate targets. We were not allowed to handle the post, or get in the cars until they had been checked. We lived under the shadow of the IRA, and as I said to some the Good Friday agreement amounted to a sop to Sien Fein/ IRA and a total capitulation and surrender to the men of blood and violence. People who had murdered women and children with indiscriminate bombings, like Warrington

I must have missed that referendum :think:

And why were there Protestant areas in NI at all hhhmm? Did I miss the referendum on a United Ireland btw? The only referendum I saw was where NI chose to stay within the EU. And what of the Irish portion of NI citizens should their wishes not be respected? 4 of the 6 counties in NI have amjority Irish Catholic roots, the actual percentage of Catholic Vs Protestants is something like 45 to 48 atm and it's predicted that catholics will be the bigger group in the next few years.

Unlike you, I do respect both the sides of people up there which is why I think a hard border is a disgusting backwards and disrespectful step.

[Niamh.]

I thought the post afterwards referring to Ree Smog would have been an indicator, along with my reference to the late Reverend Doctor Ian Paisley of the DUP and his two catch phrases of "Never, Never, Never" and "No concession, no compromise, No surrender"

I have studied history, I have lived through history as mentioned in my previous post. We had the men of blood and violence trying to bomb and shoot their way to the table and force those who wish to remain British to be governed by a foreign power and another religion.

Yes it's awful, most Irish people will have relatives who had to live through having their homes taken from them by the British and their language destroyed

[arista]

So conservatives screw this whole process up but Corbyn is the fool? I actually disagree with JC on this issue. Labour should be the party for a 2nd referendum and no brexit.


Yes he is a Fool,
you can not Get a General Election
without Conservative votes.

He is talking CRAP


Also TSR
UPDATE For YOU : Corbyn is Pro Brexit
LIVE fecking today

[Sticks]

which is why I think a hard border is a disgusting backwards and disrespectful step.

But thanks to St Jeremy in cahoots with the Ree Smog crowd that is exactly what is going to happen, with help from the DUP.

[Niamh.]

But thanks to St Jeremy in cahoots with the Ree Smog crowd that is exactly what is going to happen, with help from the DUP.

Well it will be a very sad day if that happens and I really hope it doesn't restart anymore blood shed if it does

[Alf]

So conservatives screw this whole process up but Corbyn is the fool? I actually disagree with JC on this issue. Labour should bey the party for a 2nd referendum and no brexit.And then what do you say to another general election? And Labour win, and then the other parties don't accept the result and we have a second general election? I'm sure you'll be fine with that right?

[The Slim Reaper]

And then what do you say to another general election? And Labour win, and then the other parties don't accept the result and we have a second general election? I'm sure you'll be fine with that right?

If labour won a GE, but hadn't put a government together in 2 years, I'd be ok with another general election being called, because I don't see politics as I won vs someone else loses. Labour is not my party, there isn't a party that aligns with my own beliefs about the aims and goals for society.

[Alf]

If labour won a GE, but hadn't put a government together in 2 years, I'd be ok with another general election being called, because I don't see politics as I won vs someone else loses.And then after that second general election, Ukip don't agree with the result, because it didn't go their way, so we have a third general election?

[Nicky91]

And then after that second general election, Ukip don't agree with the result, because it didn't go their way, so we have a third general election?

well not everyone falls for the brexit lies and deception

[The Slim Reaper]

And then after that second general election, Ukip don't agree with the result, because it didn't go their way, so we have a third general election?

I don't know if you're purposefully interpreting what I said incorrectly, but if after that 2nd general election (after labour couldn't put a government together in 2 years), another party had 2 years to put a government together and couldn't do it either, then I'd support another general.

Not sure if your problem is reading or comprehension, but it's the "2 years" bit that's the key. I'd be up for a general election every 2 years if not one party could actually put a government together - just to save you writing "and then after the 3rd GE, the green party don't agree with the vote..."

The problem is, is that even the brexiters had very different reasons for voting for it, and were actually voting for different things than the person in the next booth, so please don't act like there's this great coalition of the brexiters. I even asked you why you voted for it, and you couldn't give me a reason, and yet we're supposed to take this BS seriously?

[Alf]

well not everyone falls for the brexit lies and deceptionSo it's basically the gullible, great unwashed's fault? If only they'd have voted the way the establishment wanted them to do, this could have been avoided. They should know their place.

[The Slim Reaper]

So it's basically the gullible, great unwashed's fault? If only they'd have voted the way the establishment wanted them to do, this could have been avoided. They should know their place.

Oh yes, this amazing grassroots movement led by scallywags Boris Johnson, and Lord Jacob. What a bunch of freedom fighters and ordinary working class guys, fighting for the rights of workers against the hegemony of the EU.

[Alf]

I don't know if you're purposefully interpreting what I said incorrectly, but if after that 2nd general election (after labour couldn't put a government together in 2 years), another party had 2 years to put a government together and couldn't do it either, then I'd support another general.

Not sure if your problem is reading or comprehending, but it's the "2 years" bit that's the key. I'd be up for a general election every 2 years if not one party could actually put a government together - just to save you writing "and then after the 3rd GE, the green party don't agree with the vote..."

The problem is, is that even the brexiters had very different reasons for voting for it, and were actually voting for different things than the person in the next booth, so please don't act like there's this great coalition of the brexiters. I even asked you why you voted for it, and you couldn't give me a reason, and yet we're supposed to take this BS seriously?If I give you an answer, you will not except my answer, it's already in your head that people voted to leave because they're racist bigots,

But if you look through this thread, maybe you can work out an answer why I want out of a union of countries.

[Alf]

Oh yes, this amazing grassroots movement led by scallywags Boris Johnson, and Lord Jacob. What a bunch of freedom fighters and ordinary working class guys, fighting for the rights of workers against the hegemony of the EU.Over 2 years ago and you're still crying because the result didn't go your way. You are the people in the wrong. And that's not fantasy, that's the truth.

[The Slim Reaper]

Over 2 years ago and you're still crying because the result didn't go your way. You are the people in the wrong. And that's not fantasy, that's the truth.

You're insane dude. I accepted brexit was happening after the vote was lost. Does the fact that after 2 years we have no clue what we're doing, not give you any pause that you may have voted incorrectly?

None of this mess is on people like me, I voted remain, and most of you guys don't even agree on what brexit you actually want. My only fear is after brexit goes through when the realisation hits that we won't all be owning golden unicorns, who exactly the brexiters will take their economic anxiety and sovereignty issues out on then.

[Alf]

You're insane dude. I accepted brexit was happening after the vote was lost. Does the fact that after 2 years we have no clue what we're doing, not give you any pause that you may have voted incorrectly?

None of this mess is on people like me, I voted remain, and most of you guys don't even agree on what brexit you actually want. My only fear is after brexit goes through when the realisation hits that we won't all be owning golden unicorns, who exactly the brexiters will take their economic anxiety and sovereignty issues out on then.I might be insane but I wish you'd refer to me as gentleman rather than dude, I ain't American

[The Slim Reaper]

I might be insane but I wish you'd refer to me as gentleman rather than dude, I ain't American

I wish Kate Upton would leave her husband for me, but life's a sh1thouse.

[Sticks]

And while Labour faff around with a GE, we come out without of the EU without a deal on WTO terms, a hard border is brought back, the Good Friday Agreement is scrapped.

The planes will be grounded, medicines will run out, as will the food, we kick out all the EU nationals who had made their homes here, because their right to stay was only if we had a deal, but who cares it will be a new golden era and the sunny uplands of No Deal Hard Brexit

Rejoice!!! [/Sarcasm mode]

[arista]

You're insane dude. I accepted brexit was happening after the vote was lost. Does the fact that after 2 years we have no clue what we're doing, not give you any pause that you may have voted incorrectly?

None of this mess is on people like me, I voted remain, and most of you guys don't even agree on what brexit you actually want. My only fear is after brexit goes through when the realisation hits that we won't all be owning golden unicorns, who exactly the brexiters will take their economic anxiety and sovereignty issues out on then.


That's Good
And Both Conservative and Labour
have their Own Brexit Plans

Leaving only LibDems as No Brexit

[Sticks]

But there is only one deal that the EU is offering

It will fail to get through parliament

We Are definitely leaving with no deal in a hard Brexit and we will have a hard border across NI, probably using razor wire. If anyone from the republic wants to visit NI, they will have to apply 6 months in advance for a visa, which we will be minded to refuse. As a bonus we get rid of the Good Friday Agreement

This is going to be a new golden era, the making of Britain, as we march into the sunny uplands of a Hard No Deal Brexit. Anyone saying otherwise are pedd;ling Project Fear and Fake News

Trump and Farage told us so, along with the new PM Ree-Smog

Rejoice [/sarcasm mode]

:eek:

[Alf]

And while Labour faff around with a GE, we come out without of the EU without a deal on WTO terms, a hard border is brought back, the Good Friday Agreement is scrapped.

The planes will be grounded, medicines will run out, as will the food, we kick out all the EU nationals who had made their homes here, because their right to stay was only if we had a deal, but who cares it will be a new golden era and the sunny uplands of No Deal Hard Brexit

Rejoice!!! [/Sarcasm mode]How are we gonna run out of medicine? Imagine the headlines "EU refuses to send medicine" Explain that Mr Juncker, tell us about human rights again.

We currently get 70% of our food from outside the EU. Here's a crazy idea, why don't we just order more, I suppose they're not gonna sell? And we won't even put tarrifs on them.

[Sticks]

So why have some pharmaceutical companies said they are stock piling for when we crash out without a deal?

[Alf]

So why have some pharmaceutical companies said they are stock piling for when we crash out without a deal?I can't answer that if you're not gonna accept project fear.

[Nicky91]

like rees-mogg wants to be PM lmao, he only wants to fill his pockets even more, adding to his immense 155 million fortune

all that money can be better well spent on those who struggle financially in the UK but sadly that won't happen :(

[arista]

The PM is Live with Japan President (all media) Downing Street
First Question SkyNews Reporter asked her to if she can rule out No Deal.
She said the same words
Back her deal or its "No Deal"

[Alf]

like rees-mogg wants to be PM lmao, he only wants to fill his pockets even more, adding to his immense 155 million fortune

all that money can be better well spent on those who struggle financially in the UK but sadly that won't happen :(There's a lot of people struggling financially in the UK, and everyone will want their share of Rees-Mogg's money, 155m won't last long, what then?

[Nicky91]

There's a lot of people struggling financially in the UK, and everyone will want their share of Rees-Mogg's money, 155m won't last long, what then?

all the rich in UK should give all of their money to the poor


no more high salaries for politicians as well

[Sticks]

All the rich people will retire to the Bahamas

[arista]

All the rich people will retire to the Bahamas

a few may
but never all.

[Twosugars]

remainers have to take back control :dance:

[Sticks]

remainers have to take back control :dance:

Remainers lost the vote on 23 June 2016, the Brexiteers are in charge now as we sale on into No Deal Hard Brexit, courtesy of the Labour Party and Saint Jeremy.

[arista]

remainers have to take back control :dance:


You would think so.
But as it stands, The PM has the Control.

[Twosugars]

Remainers lost the vote on 23 June 2016, the Brexiteers are in charge now as we sale on into No Deal Hard Brexit, courtesy of the Labour Party and Saint Jeremy.

You would think so.
But as it stands, The PM has the Control.

Tide is turning. And **** Jeremy

[arista]

Tide is turning. And **** Jeremy


No it is not

[Alf]

remainers have to take back control :dance:You make them sound like tyrants.

[arista]

Number 10
has stated it no plans to Extend Article 50.

So in that case we will hit WTO.
(unless her deal get enough votes)

Bring On the Hardship (the remoaners will shout)

[Twosugars]

brexshitters irresponsible as always

[reece(:]

Tories captaining us into the next recession :cheer:

[Nicky91]

brexshitters irresponsible as always

well, one thing has also changed it was first make britain great again, now britain has been replaced with england

[Sticks]

It will be a new golden era of Hard No Deal Brexit and sunnny golden uplands.

Best of all the Hard border across Northern Ireland will spell the end of the surrender and capitulation to the IRA as the Good Friday Agreement comes to an end.

Lets Thank St Jeremy for this great opportunity of the No Deal Hard Brexit...
[/Sarcasm mode]

[arista]

The Labour Leader
its live on Marr BBC1HD
Its on now ,maybe he will be last on it.

[Cherie]

The Labour Leader
its live on Marr BBC1HD
Its on now ,maybe he will be last on it.

More rubbish spoken by him, he would go back and negotiate and get all the benefits of staying when we leave. Basically he is foaming at the mouth for a GE and that is all he interested in getting

[arista]

More rubbish spoken by him, he would go back and negotiate and get all the benefits of staying when we leave. Basically he is foaming at the mouth for a GE and that is all he interested in getting



Yes very true
Cherie.

[arista]

[Conservative front bencher quits over 'detrimental' Brexit
deal ahead of crucial vote tomorrow night
Conservative MP Gareth Johnson has quit the whips' office]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-to-set-out-brexit-deal-reassurances-to-mps-11606999

Meanwhile the PM was live at a Factory
up north has said nothing new at all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46856149

She is due to go into Parliament again this afternoon.

The Irish DUP Nigel Dodds said "nothing has changed"

[arista]

The PM is live in Parliament
talking about what she said today , already.
Trying to get votes for her deal tomorrow night.


https://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-to-set-out-brexit-deal-reassurances-to-mps-11606999

[arista]

The Labour Leader
has called it Repetition.

Lack of Real Legal Bindings to the back stop etc.



It's now 74 days to go.

[Alf]

Today could be the day that we find out we don't live in a democracy.

Vote on Mrs May's deal at 8pm GMT

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here we go again!

[arista]

Nigel Farage is Live on Ch5HD J.V. show

[Alf]

May's deal forecast to lose by 225 votes.

Will she step down as PM? It doesn't seem like she has any plan B.

[Nicky91]

May's deal forecast to lose by 225 votes.

Will she step down as PM? It doesn't seem like she has any plan B.

plan B was no brexit at all according to her it was her deal or no brexit at all

[arista]

May's deal forecast to lose by 225 votes.

Will she step down as PM? It doesn't seem like she has any plan B.


Wrong Oliver Letwin
was writing it out yesterday

[Glenn.]

Let’s just come out with no deal and ****ing deal with it as it happens. I’m pissed off with this **** now

[Sticks]

Plan B is No Deal Hard Brexit and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland and the end of the Good Friday agreement, by default

[arista]

Plan B is No Deal Hard Brexit and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland and the end of the Good Friday agreement, by default

Yes set in by Law

[arista]

Let’s just come out with no deal and ****ing deal with it as it happens. I’m pissed off with this **** now



Yes
you will still get your Egg and Chips

[arista]

The Fecking Git with the Big Church Size Bell
has a String Banging it near all the Broadcasters
and he has Headphones on to Protect his ears.........................


Thank You BBCnewsHD for the close up of him

[reece(:]

Apparently plan B is this deal again rewritten according to Laura K

[arista]

Apparently plan B is this deal again rewritten according to Laura K



Sure one of them.

[arista]

Ch4HD news is doing 2 Hours tonight

1st Hour 7pm Ch4HD Live
2nd Hour 8PM More4HD Live

[arista]

Result on only amendment

For the amendment: 24
Against the amendment: 600

So that's a resounding defeat for the
bid to say the UK should be able
to unilaterally terminate the backstop.


Thats of no importance
the main vote is due in a hour

[arista]

Votes in favour: 202
Votes against: 432

As expected, Theresa May suffers a heavy defeat.

[arista]

19:42

[May calls Corbyn's bluff
The PM says she needs to "confirm if this government
has the confidence of the House" - and says if Jeremy Corbyn
calls a confidence vote tomorrow, she will make time for that.
If he refuses to, she will "consider" attempts to do so by other opposition parties.]

[Withano]

Lol.

[Withano]

No confidence megalol

[Sticks]

That is confirmed, we are leaving on 29 March with no deal on WTO terms in a Hard Brexit.

Apparently shares in firms supplying razor wire are soaring tonight, all ready to put in place the physical hard border across Northern Ireland

Let us all note that because of the return to the hard border, the Good Friday Agreement has finally collapsed, we expect to bring back internment without trial in the next four months

Well done every one :thumbs:

[arista]

That is confirmed, we are leaving on 29 March with no deal on WTO terms in a Hard Brexit.

Apparently shares in firms supplying razor wire are soaring tonight, all ready to put in place the physical hard border across Northern Ireland

Let us all note that because of the return to the hard border, the Good Friday Agreement has finally collapsed, we expect to bring back internment without trial in the next four months

Well done every one :thumbs:



Sure
but many other MP's are trying to stop it.

[arista]

The SNP say they will go their own way?
On Ch4HD NewsLive

[Sticks]

The SNP say they will go their own way?
On Ch4HD NewsLive

Don't let the door slam on you way out to who cares where, ye scunners...

[arista]

Don't let the door slam on you way out to who cares where, ye scunners...


Yes they demand another vote.

[Sticks]

The SNP are referred to by some in Scotland as Tartan Tories

[arista]

Tomorrow.
Its Labour's Vote to get rid of the PM.

Of Course it will not win
as the DUP and the Conservatives will back the PM

[arista]

[May's deal has been rejected - 432 MPs have voted against
She has to return with plan B by Monday
Jeremy Corbyn has called for a motion of no-confidence
The debate on no-confidence to take place Wednesday all day until 7pm]


[Normal PMQS tomorrow followed by No Confidence Debate until 7pm]

[Alf]

Nothing's over until the fat lady sings.

The final deal, will be the deal.

We now stand at no deal, the ball is now in the EU court.

[Sticks]

Plan B is Hard Brexit without a deal on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland

[Greg!]

The SNP are referred to by some in Scotland as Tartan Tories

By morons maybe

[arista]

Votes in favour: 202
Votes against: 432

As expected, Theresa May suffers a heavy defeat.


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