Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

[arista]

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[arista]

The Online Paper

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[bots]

Boris is currently in Kyiv

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[arista]

Boris is currently in Kyiv

Yes makes sense



Ukraine war: Boris Johnson meets
Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Kyiv

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-boris-johnson-meets-ukrainian-leader-volodymyr-zelenskyy-in-kyiv-12586193

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61052643

[arista]

The Slovak PM Eduard Heger
was also meeting Zelenskyy in Kyiv, today
He has supplied
in a matter of days, Air Defence Missile launchers
that can be driven.


He spoke on tonight's
Ch4HDnews

[MTVN]

Proud of our country and PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[MTVN]

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:joker:

Boris is just like me in Ukraine, all I managed to learn was 'dopri den' for Hello and 'djakaju' for thank you and those were the only phrases I used the whole time

[MTVN]

Love how the random Ukrainian fella just shouts out 'Boris' to him

[MTVN]

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[Beso]

I'm so relieved they didn't dress him up in combats, little Winston might not have been able to look as rigid as it probably was.

[Beso]

Here's a mathematical question for anyone.


If the the rest of the world took all of russias wealth, how much would each country receive?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The online paper

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[bots]

1512857510226583557

:joker:

Boris is just like me in Ukraine, all I managed to learn was 'dopri den' for Hello and 'djakaju' for thank you and those were the only phrases I used the whole time

he said he was very glad, that he loved Britain :laugh:

[Sticks]

And so a target is placed on British ships and aircraft.

Remember how Putin has struck at people here in the UK with impunity.

[arista]

And so a target is placed on British ships and aircraft.

Remember how Putin has struck at people here in the UK with impunity.


I Searched that Sticks
came up with nothing.
Do you have a Proper Link on this?


Or is this talk from some another Forum?


Come on Sticks
you can do better than this.

[bots]

if russia attack anything british then they are immediately at war with nato. FACT

[arista]

if Russia attack anything British then they are immediately at war with NATO. FACT


Of Course
Sticks must have wrong data

[user104658]

As Russia have to a large extent backed off from Kyiv, I think a lot of the weapons going into Ukraine are likely to be used to shore up defenses in case Russia is simply regrouping and planning to push West again. They're a lot less likely to do so if there's been a resupply of defenses for Ukraine. I personally highly doubt they'll be used aggressively or taken to occupied areas.

[arista]

Shadow Home Secretary
Yvette Cooper said on BBC1HD Live
it was the right thing,
for Johnson, Prime Minister to Visit Ukraine

[bots]

As Russia have to a large extent backed off from Kyiv, I think a lot of the weapons going into Ukraine are likely to be used to shore up defenses in case Russia is simply regrouping and planning to push West again. They're a lot less likely to do so if there's been a resupply of defenses for Ukraine. I personally highly doubt they'll be used aggressively or taken to occupied areas.

they will use the anti ship weapons in Odessa, that will save it from getting a battering in one direction

[Sticks]

I Searched that Sticks
came up with nothing.
Do you have a Proper Link on this?


Or is this talk from some another Forum?


Come on Sticks
you can do better than this.

The Scripols poisoned with Novochuk in Salisbury

Before that, that defector who died from polonium poisoning before that

[arista]

The Scripols poisoned with Novochuk in Salisbury

Before that, that defector who died from polonium poisoning before that



Yes All True
Not a problem.


But

"And so a target is placed on British ships and aircraft."


That is what I am talking about
your Fake Statement Sticks

[Sticks]

The Russians already said that they would target weapons shipments to the Ukraine.

[bots]

and if they hit a uk vessel, then nato will attack them, i don't know what is not to understand

[arista]

The Russians already said that they would target weapons shipments to the Ukraine.


Of course
In Ukraine


That is the War.

[user104658]

Of course
In Ukraine


That is the War.

Yep this seems to be basically what happened before - equipment from elsewhere had been brought in, Russia waited until it was stockpiled at a base within Ukrainian borders, then hit it with missiles. That's the "loophole" that allows them to target these shipments; they can monitor them until they make landfall, and then destroy them.

[arista]

Yep this seems to be basically what happened before - equipment from elsewhere had been brought in, Russia waited until it was stockpiled at a base within Ukrainian borders, then hit it with missiles. That's the "loophole" that allows them to target these shipments; they can monitor them until they make landfall, and then destroy them.


Yes and Russia Stated they would bomb those stockpiles
in Ukraine.


It is a War.

[Sticks]

It is a War.

Correction: Military Action - Russia does not allow the use of the word war in its liberation of Russian speaking areas of Ukraine and de-Nazification. :eek:

Remember Russian Hackers may be lurking. :shocked:

[arista]

Correction: Military Action - Russia does not allow the use of the word war in its liberation of Russian speaking areas of Ukraine and de-Nazification. :eek:

Remember Russian Hackers may be lurking. :shocked:

Bollocks


It is an Outright War.


Russia is no longer to be Trusted.


Russia can not hide from the Evil War they are doing
Murdering Children
and Rapping women, then killing them.
Killing innocent Civilians on purpose

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[Sticks]

Well in Russia the state controlled media are not allowed to call it a war.

[bots]

people have such a vague notion of what russia is about. The majority of russians will still call it a war in private. People act like state media is their only news source when it obviously is not.

We are being fed a complete diet of 100% propaganda in our own media and people don't say a word about that here either

[bots]

people have such a vague notion of what russia is about. The majority of russians will still call it a war in private. People act like state media is their only news source when it obviously is not.

We are being fed a complete diet of 100% propaganda in our own media and people don't say a word about that here either

[glib]

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[bots]

hope this proves to be false

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[Alf]

hope this proves to be false

1513636563405713416"May have"

So she's tweeting out something that may have happened but she doesn't know. For someone in her position why not wait for confirmation before tweeting that out?

[bots]

Truss' comments come after the Ukrainian armed forces' Azov regiment said soldiers were left feeling dizzy and had trouble breathing after a "poisonous substance of unknown origin" was dropped on them from a Russian drone.

[Livia]

And if they had surrendered and handed their president over, or he had taken the American offer to help him flee, we would not have this death toll.

As children we were told, "if you resist, it will be worse for you"

That's not what I was told as a child. I was told when you're facing bullies, pick the one doing all the talking and punch them on the nose as hard as you can. To say that a country that's invaded should acquiesce is unthinkable. Thanks God Europe didn't act like that 80 years ago.

If the war should escalate we won't put you down for the resistance.

[Livia]

Well in Russia the state controlled media are not allowed to call it a war.

Here in the UK we can call it what we like. It's an illegal invasion. They have crossed a border and fired on civilians. They are not liberators.

[arista]

Here in the UK we can call it what we like. It's an illegal invasion. They have crossed a border and fired on civilians. They are not liberators.


Yes War Crimes
in 2022

[user104658]

That's not what I was told as a child. I was told when you're facing bullies, pick the one doing all the talking and punch them on the nose as hard as you can.

See I do think there's a parallel here but it's not one that ends well for the first bullied kid, or for Ukraine, in this allegory.

If a lone kid is being picked on by bigger bullied and punches the biggest one and busts his nose... the bully isn't going to run off crying. That kid is going to get the living **** kicked out of them. That's just the real world which unfortunately is not an episode of Grange Hill. The bully is going to want to save face, and get revenge. They're going to start swinging.

BUT... what might happen... is that the bully with the bust nose will think twice before bullying that kid again, and before bullying any other kid, because while they know they're bigger and stronger and can ultimately beat that kid to a pulp, they still don't want two black eyes and a bloody nose.

You could apply that here and say that if Ukraine had rolled over, it's inevitable that Russia would have then moved on to other ex-soviet states. The way things are now, Ukraine is going to come out of this beat to a pulp, but Russia has suffered heavy losses and will DEFINITELY think harder before engaging in a similar war again. I think there are actually a lot of similarities to the US in Vietnam, in the sense that the "much bigger force" thought it was going to be a cakewalk, but ended up in a blood-soaked nightmare.

[user104658]

Here in the UK we can call it what we like. It's an illegal invasion. They have crossed a border and fired on civilians. They are not liberators.

I agree but on the other hand, there are several US/UK led invasions that involved all of that. Civilian deaths are deemed to be "actually the other side" or "unintentional collateral" but then, that's what Putin is telling Russia :shrug:.

The uncomfortable reality of course is that all of these wars at the end of the day are about resources. I say that without moral judgement I suppose. We've been in a resources crisis for over half a century and what can any country really do but try to shelter their own people from the worst of it (which is coming within the next half century).

[bots]

what many people dont seem to realise/acknowledge is that to level ukraine, russia doesnt need an army. A few well aimed missiles will do the job. All the fighting at the moment is unfortunately a side show as russia hasnt flexed 5% of its capability

[user104658]

what many people dont seem to realise/acknowledge is that to level ukraine, russia doesnt need an army. A few well aimed missiles will do the job. All the fighting at the moment is unfortunately a side show as russia hasnt flexed 5% of its capability

Perhaps but it's certainly not "not an issue" for them that they've severely depleted their standing army (both in terms of personnel and equipment) far beyond what they expected. They could level Ukraine, yes, but it's going to take them a minute to be in any sort of position to threaten a similar invasion elsewhere.

[bots]

russia have already scaled back their ambitions from recovering the soviet era territory across europe to capturing a region of ukraine that in the majority is sympathetic to russia, so, in terms of conventional war they are ****ed for at least a couple of years. It really depends what their future aims are, flattening a country is not going to expand their reach, influence or wealth

[user104658]

russia have already scaled back their ambitions from recovering the soviet era territory across europe to capturing a region of ukraine that in the majority is sympathetic to russia, so, in terms of conventional war they are ****ed for at least a couple of years. It really depends what their future aims are, flattening a country is not going to expand their reach, influence or wealth

I still think obviously NATO expansion was a large part of it, I also suspect that undermining the system of oil & gas trading being linked to the US dollar was a large part of it as well... and I think they may well have achieved both of those aims. Now the question is to what degree they want to "save face" as they frankly have tipped their hand a bit in terms of what power they have. It's been long-suspected of course but it's now fairly clear that it's true; their standing army consists mostly of outdated tech and poorly trained/unmotivated soldiers. Which is inevitable with a mandatory military service requirement, quite frankly. People will fight for a strong ideology, people will fight if they've chosen to do so as a career... people with no ideology AND who didn't choose to arm up as their career? They're going to do the bare minimum to not look like a deserter whilst keeping themselves as safe as possible.

[bots]

Meanwhile Lukashenko said allegations of atrocities in northern Ukraine were "a psychological operation carried out by the English" :crazy:

[user104658]

The English? Ah well hopefully they'll stick to nuking south of the border then. Although realistically they're going to target the damn Trident bases on the Clyde. Great big ****ing bullseye on us there :fist:.

[UserSince2005]

Phones calls have been intercepted of Russian wives giving their soldier husbands permission to rape in Ukraine. One saying "use protection and don’t tell me".

depraved Russians continuing to show how evil they are.

[Zizu]

Phones calls have been intercepted of Russian wives giving their soldier husbands permission to rape in Ukraine. One saying "use protection and don’t tell me".

depraved Russians continuing to show how evil they are.


I truly hope that story is fabricated ..

It’s so wrong on so many levels


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[bots]

i don't believe that nonsense for a minute. Russians take relationships just as serious as anyone else

[bots]

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Tuesday he was ready to travel to Kyiv with colleagues from Poland and the Baltic states, but was told his presence in Ukraine would be undesirable.

The plan, Steinmeier said during a trip to Warsaw, was to “undertake a trip to Kyiv to send a strong signal of common European solidarity with Ukraine".

"I was ready to do this, but apparently - and I have to take note of this - this was not wanted in Kyiv."

The German newspaper Bild cited Ukrainian sources as saying that Steinmeier was refused admission to Kyiv "due to close ties with Russia in recent years".

According to Bild, the office of the German president has received a clear signal from Kyiv that he is not yet welcome there, but a future meeting may still take place.

[Nicky91]

Meanwhile Lukashenko said allegations of atrocities in northern Ukraine were "a psychological operation carried out by the English" :crazy:

another one who needs a bullet in his skull, besides Putin

[MTVN]

Ukraine has severely damaged Russias Moskva warship with strikes this morning, Russia trying to claim it was just a fire which caused ammunition to explode

[bots]

ukraine said it was one of their neptune missiles, but i highly suspect it was a uk missile as we said we were going to send the anti ship systems, and a week or so later ukraine take out the lead ship in the russian fleet

[UserSince2005]

Ukraine be ****ing those rusrats up. Love it

[bots]

Ukraine has severely damaged Russias Moskva warship with strikes this morning, Russia trying to claim it was just a fire which caused ammunition to explode

it has now sunk

[UserSince2005]

it has now sunk

haha the rusrats look sillier by the day

[arista]

Reports
Missiles have hit the Capital
again.

Ref:Times Radio DAB and Free online



BBC keeps playing an interview recorded Yesterday
And their man reporter is in Kyiv Live

The Studio did admit
the City was hit, though.

[Sticks]

Retaliation for sinking the pride of the Russian fleet.
(Was it really worth it?)

[arista]

Retaliation for sinking the pride of the Russian fleet.
(Was it really worth it?)


Yes Sticks
many Reporters
are saying that.

The missile was on the outskirts of Kyiv.

[UserSince2005]

Retaliation for sinking the pride of the Russian fleet.
(Was it really worth it?)

No one’s scared of the rusrats anymore. We’ve seen how pathetic they are

[bots]

Retaliation for sinking the pride of the Russian fleet.
(Was it really worth it?)

it wasn't retaliation for that because according to the russians it was a fire onboard and not a missile attack

[arista]

it wasn't retaliation for that because according to the Russians it was a fire onboard and not a missile attack


As if that was true,

[Sticks]

In other news, will our government show how fair they are to all and start sending Ukrainian refugees to Rwanda?

Oh wait, the home office has not been awarding visas for them...

[arista]

In other news, will our government show how fair they are to all and start sending Ukrainian refugees to Rwanda?

Oh wait, the home office has not been awarding visas for them...


No Sticks
it is only the ones that go to France
and then Dover
By Criminal Gangs

On this thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11154789#post11154789

[arista]

The Russian Missiles
hit, an Ukraine Military Store with Missiles
on the edge of the capitol.

Ch4HDnews confirmed.

[Sticks]

I was being satirical and linking two stories in the news, to show what a policy amounts to, if you take it to its logical conclusion.

Putting aside that policy breaks international law, but then Boris has never allowed such trivial details as The Law, bother him (Oops allusion to another story in the news)

[Beso]

Retaliation for sinking the pride of the Russian fleet.
(Was it really worth it?)

Putin probably bombed it himself.

[arista]

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[arista]

Russia has banned The PM and most of
the cabinet from entering Russia.

SkyNewsHD

I do not think any would enter Russia
any more.

[user104658]

Russia has banned The PM and most of
the cabinet from entering Russia.

SkyNewsHD

I do not think any would enter Russia
any more.Not while Putin is in power anyway. My prediction (assuming the world doesn't get destroyed in the meantime) is that once Putin is gone - whether that's being removed or when he eventually dies - a new regime will take over and then they'll start reaching out diplomatically. Much like post-ww2 Germany, I suppose.

[Sticks]

Putin will live forever, he is former KGB, they know a few tricks.

[arista]

Putin will live forever, he is former KGB, they know a few tricks.



He has Good Protection.



And today
he Bombed two Cities.

[arista]

[New strikes hit the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv,
and explosions have been heard
in the western city of Lviv
One person has been killed and several wounded in the strikes,
Kyiv's Mayor Vitali Klitschko says
Russia's defence ministry says the missile
strikes targeted a military plant in the capital Kyiv
Russia is planning to restrict access to
Mariupol from Monday, city officials say]


BBC Feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61124291

[arista]

BBC Text:
["My brother is no spy", declares
the Sunday People's headline,
reporting the words of the family of a
British man captured by Russians
while fighting for Ukraine.
The paper says Aiden Aslin's brother has hit
out at claims from Russia that he is a spy
and called on the UK government to do
more to secure his release.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Shocking Wounds on one side of very young girl
in Ukraine, at least she is alive.

From a Tweet

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQf7TusWYAM1evH?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/17/16/56716145-10726447-image-a-79_1650209471980.jpg
[Russian state TV taunt exhausted-looking
British PoW in new heavily-edited clip
telling him his Ukrainian commanders
wanted him dead after he was captured
defending Mariupol]


[Shaun Pinner told by Kremlin his
Ukrainian commanders wanted him to be killed
48-year-old Royal Anglian veteran spoke in a new interview,
made in captivity
He said there was 'panic' as he was
held after ending siege in area of Mariupol
Pinner will face further interrogation by the
Russian Investigative Committee]


Will they ever let him go?

Image from His social media
before the Russian caught him.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/16/18/56689841-0-image-a-9_1650130134455.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10726447/Russian-state-TV-taunt-exhausted-looking-British-PoW-Shaun-Pinner-new-heavily-edited-clip.html

[arista]

The Online Paper

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[arista]

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[Sticks]

The Ukrainian president orders his troops to fight to the death and is not allowing them to surrender.

Hitler did the same thing when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war.

[UserSince2005]

The Ukrainian president orders his troops to fight to the death and is not allowing them to surrender.

Hitler did the same thing when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war.

You want to be a rusrat so bad. You should sign up. I hear putins missing 40k of his rusrats so I’m sure you will be welcomed

[bots]

The Ukrainian president orders his troops to fight to the death and is not allowing them to surrender.

Hitler did the same thing when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war.

your pro russian stance is becoming tiresome. Maybe you think you are being funny/smart but you are not

He didnt order them to fight to the death, the army said they wanted to fight to the end. It's always an individuals choice in the end. They could dessert like so many thousand russian soldiers

[arista]

The Ukrainian president orders his troops to fight to the death and is not allowing them to surrender.

Hitler did the same thing when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war.


Stupid Comparison,
Zelensky is nothing like Evil Hitler was

[arista]

[Russian shelling and air strikes hit
multiple targets across Ukraine,
officials say
Five missile strikes have been reported
in the western city of Lviv
Five people are reportedly killed and 13 injured
in shelling of the city of Kharkiv
In Mykolaiv, near the port of Odesa,
the governor reports continuous rocket attacks]



From the BBC Live Feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61136997

[bots]

i can see russia dropping a tactical nuke on the steel works at Mariupol. It's difficult to see how else they can defeat the ukranian soldiers there

[arista]

i can see Russia dropping a tactical nuke on the steel works at Mariupol. It's difficult to see how else they can defeat the Ukrainian soldiers there


Yes, it has Tunnels under it
so they can move around alot.
But Russian troops are not in there
as they get shot.

[arista]

[Two captured British fighters are
paraded on Russian TV
and forced to beg Boris Johnson for help]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/18/12/56740407-10728207-_-a-40_1650281414252.jpg
Aiden Aslin

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/18/12/56741159-10728207-image-a-41_1650281414262.jpg
Shaun Pinner


[Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner have appeared
on Russian state television today
Britons were serving in Ukrainian marines
and captured in Mariupol last week
Pair beg Boris Johnson to arrange
a prisoner swap so they can be freed
in return for the release of
Viktor Medvedchuk,
Putin's top political ally in Ukraine
At the same time, Ukraine released
a video of Medvedchuk begging for freedom]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10728207/Ukraine-war-Captured-Britons-paraded-Russian-state-TV.html

[Sticks]

You want to be a rusrat so bad. You should sign up. I hear putins missing 40k of his rusrats so I’m sure you will be welcomed

You and bitontheslide Misrepresent my position.

Ghandi once said "An eye for an eye only makes everyone blind"

From my experience, not every bully can be stood up to. Some have to be acquiesced to because they are too powerful and are willing and able to take extreme action.

Putin is one such person, given his KGB connections, which I said from the get go.

There has been a tremendous loss of life as the "plucky" Ukrainians put up a fight. This only aggravated the situation and escalated things. Something, with some people, you do not do. It seems many here have ignored the wisdom of Ghandi, a man who threw off the British and led India to independence, so he must have known what he was talking about.

As for arista near the beginning of this, I am certain that the Ukrainian president did issue the order not to surrender to the troops. I am an amateur historian, so I pointed out that Hitler did the same thing regarding the issuing of orders. That is just historical fact. They may not be the same people, but it seemed that they did exactly the thing, regarding the issuing of orders.

If Zelensky had taken the American offer to leave for the west and the troops surrendered, there may not have been so much bloodshed here.

Violence only breeds more violence.
Ghandi knew that, and his passive non violent ways bore fruit.

[arista]

Terrible the Russian missiles hitting Lviv
not military target
a young boy got glass slicing his hand open

ITV1HD News.

[AnnieK]

You and bitontheslide Misrepresent my position.

Ghandi once said "An eye for an eye only makes everyone blind"

From my experience, not every bully can be stood up to. Some have to be acquiesced to because they are too powerful and are willing and able to take extreme action.

Putin is one such person, given his KGB connections, which I said from the get go.

There has been a tremendous loss of life as the "plucky" Ukrainians put up a fight. This only aggravated the situation and escalated things. Something, with some people, you do not do. It seems many here have ignored the wisdom of Ghandi, a man who threw off the British and led India to independence, so he must have known what he was talking about.

As for arista near the beginning of this, I am certain that the Ukrainian president did issue the order not to surrender to the troops. I am an amateur historian, so I pointed out that Hitler did the same thing regarding the issuing of orders. That is just historical fact. They may not be the same people, but it seemed that they did exactly the thing, regarding the issuing of orders.

If Zelensky had taken the American offer to leave for the west and the troops surrendered, there may not have been so much bloodshed here.

Violence only breeds more violence.
Ghandi knew that, and his passive non violent ways bore fruit.

And had people not fought back against Hitler and Nazi Germany, where would we be today? What are the Ukrainians meant to do? If they had surrendered easily and Putin then turned his attention to other non Nato countries and then eventually the rest of Europe as his troop numbers grow..were they all to surrender too until a New World Order is established and Putin rules all? What kind of world would our children and grandchildren have to look forward to then?

[Zizu]

I thought Ukraine was his limit ?

Supposedly he won’t dare to attack Poland


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[AnnieK]

He won't attack Poland initially as they are members if Nato but has threatened escalation if Sweden or Finland want to join Nato. He is not acting like a rational leader so who knows what he could / will do

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-3fb2d2ea-7ffc-444c-8970-8e2f88f1157e.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

The Online Paper:

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-22458bfd-73e3-405e-83b0-0fe7bc42e170.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[bots]

its very difficult to know what putin will do after ukraine. He could try for a couple of quick wins against smaller non nato countries, but they have shown quite clearly that they dont have an army equipped/trained to go up against a tech superior and trained nato force. The ukraine army has only been trained for about 8 years by us, but it has shown itself to be a formidable foe to russia. That being said, russia will eventually level ukraine if it keeps going on its current path and that cant be considered a win for anyone

[Zizu]

its very difficult to know what putin will do after ukraine. He could try for a couple of quick wins against smaller non nato countries, but they have shown quite clearly that they dont have an army equipped/trained to go up against a tech superior and trained nato force. The ukraine army has only been trained for about 8 years by us, but it has shown itself to be a formidable foe to russia. That being said, russia will eventually level ukraine if it keeps going on its current path and that cant be considered a win for anyone


... and the Russian people still have no idea what atrocities their army are committing .

Presumably their soldiers are not allowed to go on leave or contact their families ??


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[bots]

the russian people i know, know all about the war, they use vpn.

[arista]

'Surrender or Die'
Russia tells them.

[Russia has claimed it has hit more than
1,200 Ukrainian targets with missiles,
airstrikes and artillery
Russia gave Ukrainian troops a two-hour window
to lay down arms in Mariupol or face being killed
Several cities and towns in eastern Ukraine
were pounded by Russian shelling
and artillery last night
The war in Ukraine has now entered
a new phase as Russia doubles down on
efforts to seize the territories of
Donetsk and Luhansk]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10731013/Two-hours-surrender-die-Russia-offers-ultimatum-Ukraine-troops-holed-Mariupol.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/19/12/56778795-10731013-Russia_unleashed_a_barrage_of_artillery_fire_on_ea stern_Ukraine_-a-56_1650366890677.jpg

[bots]

Lavrov has said they will not use nuclear weapons in ukraine, so that basically means that they will

[arista]

Lavrov has said they will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, so that basically means that they will


True no one can trust them.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/19/12/56760523-10731013-A_man_walks_near_a_residential_building_destroyed_ during_Ukraine-a-40_1650366890663.jpg
[A man walks near a residential building destroyed
during Ukraine-Russia conflict in
the southern port city of Mariupol,
Ukraine April 17, 2022]

[bots]

Mariupol is almost entirely rubble now

[Sticks]

Mariupol is almost entirely rubble now

Would that have been the case if they had surrendered early on?

[bots]

they dont want to surrender, i thought you would understand that by now

[Beso]

Would that have been the case if they had surrendered early on?

Shocking.

[Sticks]

they dont want to surrender, i thought you would understand that by now

I get that, just asking what would have been the result if they had.

[AnnieK]

I get that, just asking what would have been the result if they had.

The result would have been living under the oppressive regime of Russia and everything that brings. I'd rather fight too

[MTVN]

Surrender early and it would have freed up a lot of Russian manpower and resources to target Kyiv when they were still attempting that or go elsewhere in the country

Those that are left have basically accepted death just to divert Russian forces for a little bit longer, its incredibly brave

[bots]

the troops in the south have been fighting for 8 years. Living in a trench all that time is insane

[James]

I read that Mariupol was majority or a high-percentage of Russian speaking.

I can't get my head round the why of it all. Why is Russia doing this?

[Zizu]

I read that Mariupol was majority or a high-percentage of Russian speaking.

I can't get my head round the why of it all. Why is Russia doing this?


It’s sheer madness ... it’s also crazy to think that the Russian people haven’t got a clue about what their army are doing in Ukraine


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[arista]

I read that Mariupol was majority or a high-percentage of Russian speaking.

I can't get my head round the why of it all. Why is Russia doing this?


Putin has stated it's his land.

[MTVN]

I read that Mariupol was majority or a high-percentage of Russian speaking.

I can't get my head round the why of it all. Why is Russia doing this?

That's the case with a lot of the East and even Kyiv was split quite evenly between Russian and Ukrainian language until recently. Mariupol almost fell under separatist control in 2014 as well so there has historically been a lot of pro-Russian sentiment there but it's hard to imagine there's much left now

[bots]

I read that Mariupol was majority or a high-percentage of Russian speaking.

I can't get my head round the why of it all. Why is Russia doing this?

it highlights putins madness. These people are as close to russian as you can get without actually living there and yet he has killed thousands of civillians there. It's pretty much the equivalent of england slaughtering the welsh or the scots

A lot of ukranians were also part of the russian church, but most are leaving it now as the head of the russian church said the action was justified

[bots]

The Russian Defence Ministry has given Ukrainian fighters, who are in an industrial complex in the besieged port city of Mariupol, a fresh ultimatum, according to a Reuters report.

"Russia's armed forces, based purely on humanitarian principles, again propose that the fighters of nationalist battalions and foreign mercenaries cease their military operations from 1400 Moscow time on 20th April and lay down arms," the Russian Defence Ministry said.

Not a single Ukrainian soldier accepted the same offer on Tuesday, the ministry said in a statement.


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I think this is russia warning ukraine that they are going to drop a tactical nuke or equivalent on the steelworks

[arista]

[Russia tests new intercontinental ballistic nuke
- as Putin warns the hypersonic 'Satan II' weapon
that 'can destroy UK' will 'provide food
for thought for our enemies']

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/17/54733059-10735901-Russia_has_claimed_its_most_potent_nuclear_missile _the_16_000mph-a-4_1650472985626.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10735901/Russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-provide-food-thought-enemies.html

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-934850f0-52a3-4d04-baed-c341a42b6f41.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/21/14/56667649-10738453-image-a-14_1650547530860.jpg

[arista]

[Mariupol steelworks: 'We have wounded
and dead inside the bunkers']


[Speaking from the Azovstal plant - the last part of
Mariupol not under Russian control - Svyatoslav Palamar
from the controversial Azov regiment said
defenders had repelled waves of Russian attacks.
"I always say that as long as we are here,
Mariupol remains under
control of Ukraine," he said.

Earlier President Vladimir Putin called off
a planned Russian assault on the
steelworks - a maze of tunnels
and workshops - and ordered
his troops to seal it off instead.

"Block off this industrial area so
that a fly cannot pass through," he said.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61183062

[arista]

[Russia is prepared to allow fighters
at the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol
to leave the plant,
Russia's defence ministry is reported to have said]

BBC

[Zizu]

[Russia is prepared to allow fighters
at the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol
to leave the plant,
Russia's defence ministry is reported to have said]

BBC


I wouldn’t trust them tbh


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[arista]

I wouldn’t trust them tbh





Yes very little trust.


Russia Army are war criminals Now

[arista]

https://twitter.com/JasonFarrellSky/status/1517539596074110977

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-0802b17b-5461-4e81-b6c1-28989cbb66c0.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-07b65aaf-b7d8-4d64-a769-cb1d5691b55c.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[bots]

The Azovstal metal works in Mariupol has come under renewed attack from Russian soldiers, according to an adviser to Ukraine's President Zelensky.

Oleksiy Arestovych said in a video that Moscow had resumed its air strikes and efforts to storm the vast industrial complex, which represents the last holdout of Ukrainian resistance in the embattled port city.

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more lies from Putin

[arista]

Yes Putin will never be Trusted.

This invasion by Russia is getting worse.

As more Dead Civilians found

[user104658]

Why would the mail post such a misleading and inflammatory front page :facepalm:.

[bots]

Why would the mail post such a misleading and inflammatory front page :facepalm:.

I cant fathom it. Its as if the media want us to be nuked. In times like this, the media has a national responsibility to behave itself

[Sticks]

Well Putin will win the Special Military Action, (NOT A WAR!!!)

I have learned in my life that there are some people who are so big mean nasty and well connected that they are above the law. The police know this, but will not admit it. With these people you can only acquiesce. Standing up to them is a big mistake, as they can take you down, without blinking and make an example of you. An unpleasant truth to those who always insist "You should stand up to bullies" - It is not always possible, and they do win.

Putin, with his KGB training and contacts and access to nuclear weapons is one such person. The trouble is, it seems political suicide to acknowledge that unpleasant truth.

[Zizu]

Well Putin will win the Special Military Action, (NOT A WAR!!!)

I have learned in my life that there are some people who are so big mean nasty and well connected that they are above the law. The police know this, but will not admit it. With these people you can only acquiesce. Standing up to them is a big mistake, as they can take you down, without blinking and make an example of you. An unpleasant truth to those who always insist "You should stand up to bullies" - It is not always possible, and they do win.

Putin, with his KGB training and contacts and access to nuclear weapons is one such person. The trouble is, it seems political suicide to acknowledge that unpleasant truth.


Can’t understand why one of his enemies or even one of his own men hasn’t assassinated him .

His own officers must know that what they’re doing is wrong and they will all suffer eventually


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[arista]

Well Putin will win the Special Military Action, (NOT A WAR!!!)

I have learned in my life that there are some people who are so big mean nasty and well connected that they are above the law. The police know this, but will not admit it. With these people you can only acquiesce. Standing up to them is a big mistake, as they can take you down, without blinking and make an example of you. An unpleasant truth to those who always insist "You should stand up to bullies" - It is not always possible, and they do win.

Putin, with his KGB training and contacts and access to nuclear weapons is one such person. The trouble is, it seems political suicide to acknowledge that unpleasant truth.


Putin is not well
he was seen grabbing his Desk
to stop the Shakes.

Many say he may have Parkinson's


[Parkinson's disease (PD), or simply Parkinson's,
is a long-term degenerative disorder of
the central nervous system that mainly affects
the motor system.
The symptoms usually emerge slowly,
and as the disease worsens,
non-motor symptoms become more common.
The most obvious early symptoms
are tremor, rigidity, slowness of movement,
and difficulty with walking.
Cognitive and behavioral problems may
also occur with depression, anxiety]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_disease

[arista]

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-health-speculation-meeting-video-1699854

Video showing Putin Grabbing the Desk.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
is showing Zelenskyy
News Conference

In front of the Press

LIVE


BBC news is showing a Repeat.
Missing this important Live Feed

[Sticks]

Can’t understand why one of his enemies or even one of his own men hasn’t assassinated him .

His own officers must know that what they’re doing is wrong and they will all suffer eventually


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He is former KGB and has loyal EX-KGB allies who are loyal to the end, so nobody dare move against Putin.

[AnnieK]

Yeah, let's all roll over and let Putin take what he wants. Let him have Ukraine, then Finland, Moldova and Sweden....then he can take on the rest of the world and be the supreme leader. Blah blah blah.

Yes he's ex KGB....and? Yes, he has nukes....but guess what, so do the US, France, us etc etc.

You think Putin will stop at Ukraine? Ha.

[arista]

He is former KGB and has loyal EX-KGB allies who are loyal to the end, so nobody dare move against Putin.


Sticks Putin Is ill.


His Time is running out.

[arista]

[A block of flats was among the buildings
hit in the strike and officials reported that Russia
fired at least six cruise missiles at Odessa.
At least five people have died
including an three-month-old child.]


Putin is Evil

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-0ccac535-29b1-4058-bf30-1c5c91060e48.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

The Online Paper:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FREwkj0WQAEazOW?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/24/10/56982807-0-image-m-6_1650791658857.jpg


[Vladimir Putin's regime has announced
it will deploy fearsome nuclear-capable 'Satan II' missile
this autumn
The devastating Sarmat missile is said to be the
world's longest-range intercontinental
ballistic missile (ICBM)
Western military experts said the Sarmat is
capable of carrying 10 or more
nuclear warheads and decoys]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10747929/Putin-brags-new-Satan-II-nuclear-missile-break-modern-defences.html

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-754f83d0-72c7-4d6e-bcf1-0d2df343bf67.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[bots]

This is worrying .....

----------------------------------

Downing Street says claims aired on Russian state TV that Prime Minister Boris Johnson threatened to carry out a unilateral nuclear strike against Russia are untrue.

The baseless claim was made on 60 Minutes, a chat show on the state-run Rossiya 1 TV channel last Friday.

Presenter Olga Skabeyeva said over video of the UK prime minister's visit to India: “Yesterday, this clown [Boris Johnson] threatened to carry out a nuclear strike against Russia, if needed, without consulting Nato.”

A statement from the No 10 press office said that “these claims are completely untrue and yet another example of disinformation peddled by the Kremlin”.

“The UK government is entirely united with its Nato allies in supporting Ukraine against Russia’s illegal invasion,” the statement concluded.

Apart from Skabeyeva, the quote has been circulated by Dmitry Rogozin, head of Russia’s Roscosmos space agency, who tweeted a similar statement to his 800,000 followers the previous day; as well as TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov, who also posted it on Telegram to his more than one million followers.

The accusation has also gathered pace on pro-Kremlin social media channels and news websites, with one version featuring an apocalyptic view of London in flames, being viewed nearly half a million times.

In some cases, the claim comes with a counter-claim from several popular Russian Telegram channels that it was “fake news” planted by Ukraine to discredit Russia.

However, the earliest mentions of the so-called British nuclear threat that the BBC was able to find were carried on pro-Russian social media channels.

[Cherie]

This is worrying .....

----------------------------------

Downing Street says claims aired on Russian state TV that Prime Minister Boris Johnson threatened to carry out a unilateral nuclear strike against Russia are untrue.

The baseless claim was made on 60 Minutes, a chat show on the state-run Rossiya 1 TV channel last Friday.

Presenter Olga Skabeyeva said over video of the UK prime minister's visit to India: “Yesterday, this clown [Boris Johnson] threatened to carry out a nuclear strike against Russia, if needed, without consulting Nato.”

A statement from the No 10 press office said that “these claims are completely untrue and yet another example of disinformation peddled by the Kremlin”.

“The UK government is entirely united with its Nato allies in supporting Ukraine against Russia’s illegal invasion,” the statement concluded.

Apart from Skabeyeva, the quote has been circulated by Dmitry Rogozin, head of Russia’s Roscosmos space agency, who tweeted a similar statement to his 800,000 followers the previous day; as well as TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov, who also posted it on Telegram to his more than one million followers.

The accusation has also gathered pace on pro-Kremlin social media channels and news websites, with one version featuring an apocalyptic view of London in flames, being viewed nearly half a million times.

In some cases, the claim comes with a counter-claim from several popular Russian Telegram channels that it was “fake news” planted by Ukraine to discredit Russia.

However, the earliest mentions of the so-called British nuclear threat that the BBC was able to find were carried on pro-Russian social media channels.


Jeez that’s great

[arista]

CNN HD Live in Ukraine

New video shows civilians trapped
in the Steel Plant,
Begging to be rescued.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5C3A/production/_124301632_times-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16B2/production/_124301850_star-nc.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2022/04/27/TELEMMGLPICT000294080413_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlbe rWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidt h=640

[Crimson Dynamo]

A woman reacts as she says goodbye to her serviceman husband before he leaves to the frontline in Uzhhorod, Ukraine

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-63f4f541-688c-4d42-a446-6a3795e5890a.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

[Any country trying to intervene in
the Ukraine war will face a "lightning-fast" response,
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned.

"We have all the tools no-one can boast of... we will use them if
necessary", he said, in what is seen as a reference
to ballistic missiles and nuclear arms.

Ukraine's allies have stepped up the supply
of weapons, with the USA vowing to make
sure Ukraine defeats Russia.
Western officials say Russia is being hampered
in its efforts in the east.

Last week, Russia launched a major offensive
to seize the Donbas region after withdrawing
from areas around the capital Kyiv.
But according to one official, Russian forces
are "finding it difficult to overcome the
staunch Ukrainian resistance and they
are suffering losses".

In another development,
the European Commission has accused Russia
of blackmail after Moscow cut off gas exports
to Poland and Bulgaria.
The Commission's President,
Ursula von der Leyen said it
showed Russia's "unreliability" as a supplier.

The Kremlin said Russia had been forced
into the action by the "unfriendly steps"
of Western nations.

Gazprom's cut-off follows Poland and Bulgaria's
refusal to pay for gas in Russian roubles - a demand made
by President Vladimir Putin in March,
which was designed to shore up the
faltering currency battered by Western sanctions.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61252320

[bots]

got to laugh, we sanction the crap out of russia, but when russia stop supplying us with something they are using it as a weapon against us :laugh:

[MTVN]

Latest signs are not good for the future of this war I fear

- Russia making steady progress in the East
- Attacks taking place in Transnistria possibly dragging Moldova into the war
- Truss saying Russia should be driven out of all Ukraine (Crimea is never returning to Ukraine let's face it)
- Ukraine carrying out attacks on Russia's territory with the West's backing
- No real sign of any peace talks in the last few weeks
- Increasing talk about nuclear weapons

I can't criticise Ukraine for anything they've done in this war but Russia's failure to take Kyiv has led a lot of people to think they can be totally humiliated and defeated now across the whole country which is not realistic

[bots]

i agree, the wests failure to recognise we are already in a war could cost us dearly. We joined the war the moment we supplied arms to ukraine and sanctioned russia. We should all be on a war footing now. Its a matter of time in my opinion until russia nukes someone and the way it shaping up we are going to be the first target.

[user104658]

i agree, the wests failure to recognise we are already in a war could cost us dearly. We joined the war the moment we supplied arms to ukraine and sanctioned russia. We should all be on a war footing now. Its a matter of time in my opinion until russia nukes someone and the way it shaping up we are going to be the first target.

This is all a bit of a contradiction though, if it's "only a matter of time until Russia nukes the UK" then we do not "need to be on a war footing" - because the game is over. We don't "need" to do anything.

[Nicky91]

i hope Putin will die the most painful death possible


hope he seriously suffers from parkinsons and hopefully the worst of the worst parkinsons

[bots]

This is all a bit of a contradiction though, if it's "only a matter of time until Russia nukes the UK" then we do not "need to be on a war footing" - because the game is over. We don't "need" to do anything.

i disagree, we can get our missile defence systems at full readiness. We can shore up our defences, get people ready for war, because contrary to popular belief, not everyone will die

[user104658]

I disagree, we can get our missile defence systems at full readiness. We can shore up our defences, get people ready for war, because contrary to popular belief, not everyone will die

If they're using ICBM's no we cannot shore up defenses, and anyone who doesn't die in the blast radius of a nuke will wish they did. I don't mean to be harsh but that's the reality of the phrase "It's a matter of time in my opinion until Russia nukes someone".

I still find it unlikely that Russia would nuke the UK because the same applies vice versa; if Russia nukes a UK city, Moscow is a hole in the ground half an hour later.

[bots]

If they're using ICBM's no we cannot shore up defenses, and anyone who doesn't die in the blast radius of a nuke will wish they did. I don't mean to be harsh but that's the reality of the phrase "It's a matter of time in my opinion until Russia nukes someone".

I still find it unlikely that Russia would nuke the UK because the same applies vice versa; if Russia nukes a UK city, Moscow is a hole in the ground half an hour later.

We can defend against nukes, i worked in the defence industry for 10 years, so i know what we have at our disposal. With respect TS, you obviously don't because nothing is ever as black and white as you are trying to paint it.

[user104658]

We can defend against nukes, i worked in the defence industry for 10 years, so i know what we have at our disposal. With respect TS, you obviously don't because nothing is ever as black and white as you are trying to paint it.

We can defend against a few nukes, we can't defend against several fired simultaneously. If you're saying it would be the former scenario then it makes even less sense - because they know what we have at our disposal as well, and they're sure as **** not going to start firing off nukes that won't even hit their target... they'd still be opening themselves up to counter-attack just for trying. That's sort of the point of M.A.D.

Either the talk of going nuclear is cold war style saber rattling, or we're ****ed. It sort of is that black and white.

[bots]

at the moment the west is basically blustering at putin and then not really doing anything. Putin respects strength and he would think twice about firing off a nuke if Nato actually took an active role. I was against that at the beginning of the war, but it's the only way we are going to stop putin now

[arista]

i hope Putin will die the most painful death possible


hope he seriously suffers from parkinsons and hopefully the worst of the worst parkinsons


He is on Medication.
Keeping him strong.

[arista]

British man is killed in Ukraine and another is missing
'after the pair joined local forces fighting Russia'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10763801/British-man-killed-Ukraine-missing-pair-joined-local-forces.html


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61260402

[arista]

Biden Now Live SkyNewsHD

Talking about Evil Putin

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/28/18/57165347-10763801-Scott_Sibley_a_veteran_of_the_British_armed_forces _has_been_name-a-15_1651168028638.jpg

[Scott Sibley, a veteran of the British armed forces,
has been named as the Briton who died in Ukraine]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10763801/British-man-killed-Ukraine-missing-pair-joined-local-forces.html

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-e3b0983b-2e5a-44cc-92b9-80b79d484c47.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-ae13a484-9387-4d6d-88a0-a12030901393.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-c2779651-947c-4725-811a-9bb541ab9202.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

2 British Nationals (charity workers )
have been captured by Russian troops
in Ukraine

Paul Urey & Dylan Healy.


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

[Their capture was announced by
UK non-profit organisation Presidium Network
It said they were seized at a checkpoint
south of the city of Zaporizhzhia
They were later identified as
Paul Urey and Dylan Healy,
operating on their own
Zaporizhzhia is a crucial way station
for thousands of Ukrainians fleeing
Mariupol - the southern
port city that has been largely captured
by Russia
It comes after Scott Sibley, a British veteran,
was killed fighting in Ukraine
The whereabouts of another Brit fighting
in Ukraine remained unknown]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766343/Two-British-charity-workers-captured-Russian-forces-Ukraine.html

[bots]

man goes to war zone after being warned not to go and gets killed

[bots]

Russia's assault on Donbas has "sort of fizzled" and the battle for the region will be over in two to four weeks, says military expert Dr Mike Martin.

The war studies visiting fellow at King's College London says: "Basically the Russians are gonna run out of troops, and the Ukrainians are going to counterattack."

The Russians have squandered their one chance to take the region, he believes.

"They pulled all of these mauled units out of Kyiv, and then tried to reconstitute them for combat in the east," he explains.

But they were "bruised and damaged" by the battle for the Ukrainian capital and Russia failed to build them up and "do some bold manoeuvre".

And Martin says there has been a "major strategic shift" in the war, with the UK declaring its aim is to clear Russian forces from Ukraine, including Crimea.

He adds that UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss is "wrong", however, to say this would take 10 years, insisting: "Russian forces will collapse before that, and we’ll see a coup."

And with the US announcing US$33bn (£26bn) of funding for Ukraine, "that is an extremely clear signal of intent", says Martin.

It also means Nato and the US have decided Vladimir Putin is bluffing about using nuclear weapons if Nato up the ante, he adds.

[arista]

[Putin's propagandists simulate NUKING Europe
with missiles hitting in 200 seconds and 'no survivors']


Come on
you Evil Little Russian
Scotland could survive

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/30/08/57231741-10769957-image-a-6_1651305402274.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10769957/Russian-propaganda-declares-nuclear-missile-strike-London-no-survivors.html

[bots]

im sure the west will now do a diagram of what russia will look like if they try it

[user104658]

We can defend against a few nukes, we can't defend against several fired simultaneously. If you're saying it would be the former scenario then it makes even less sense - because they know what we have at our disposal as well, and they're sure as **** not going to start firing off nukes that won't even hit their target... they'd still be opening themselves up to counter-attack just for trying. That's sort of the point of M.A.D.

Either the talk of going nuclear is cold war style saber rattling, or we're ****ed. It sort of is that black and white.

Just to add some sort of backing to this, from the bottom of what arista posted above;

A number of countries maintain anti-missile systems which aim to shoot down or destroy missiles before the are able to reach their intended targets.

But these systems are typically only effective against small numbers of missiles, travelling well below hypersonic speeds.

The advent of hypersonic missile technology and long-range ICBMs, such as Russia's latest Sarmat missile, have made anti-missile systems largely redundant.

The U.S.' Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation said that 'despite decades of research, development, and testing, there remains no reliably effective anti-missile system to counter intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs)'.

Existing missile defence systems, such as the U.S. Patriot system, can target incoming short-, medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles whose threat is localised to one region, but cannot effectively protect against nuclear-capable ICBMs such as the Sarmat that can deploy warheads across vast areas.

According to former Assistant Secretary of Defense and U.S. chief weapons evaluator Philip Coyle: 'All missile defense systems can be overwhelmed... It is only if the attack is limited that the defense can have a hope of not being overwhelmed.'

[arista]

im sure the west will now do a diagram of what Russia will look like if they try it


Of Course

But those that live in Scotland
are more safe


The lucky sods

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/30/08/57231737-10769957-image-a-1_1651305390378.jpg


Look you Russian Punk
say that to my face.

I will punch you in the head

[bots]

Of Course

But those that live in Scotland
are more safe


The lucky sods

scotland is where our nuclear subs are stationed so they will probably be the first target

[arista]

Scotland is where our nuclear subs are stationed so they will probably be the first target



Not if they are out in the Sea

[bots]

Not if they are out in the Sea

its their home base, its the obvious first target

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=r4bob6

Ukraine’s Unmanned Aerial Vehicle dropping munitions on Russian soldiers

[Sticks]

And if the Ukrainian President had taken the US offer to evacuate him to the US and the Russians rolled into Kyv with no resistance...

[arista]

And if the Ukrainian President had taken the US offer to evacuate him to the US and the Russians rolled into Kyv with no resistance...


No he needs to be there

[Sticks]

No he needs to be there

Since others are postulating about a nuclear attack on Europe, I am merely postulating on an alternative history.

This president has gone for violent resistance, and many are dead.

Ghandi went up against the British in India with non violent resistance and won independence for India.

As he once said "An eye for an eye only make everyone blind"

[glib]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/30/08/57231737-10769957-image-a-1_1651305390378.jpg


Look you Russian Punk
say that to my face.

I will punch you in the head

Oh p*ss off Arista

[arista]

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[Zizu]

scotland is where our nuclear subs are stationed so they will probably be the first target


Mmmmm I presumed it would be London getting targeted


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[arista]

[Safe passage for civilians to leave Mariupol under way - UN]

A few 100 out.


[An operation to evacuate civilians trapped
in a steelworks in the southern city of
Mariupol is under way, the UN says
The Ukrainian president says a group of
about 100 people have left and should
arrive in the town of Zaporizhzhia tomorrow
An evacuation plan for residents from other
parts of Mariupol has been postponed
until Monday morning
The Speaker of the USA House
of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi,
has led a Congressional delegation to Kyiv to
meet President Zelensky]



BBC feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61252785

[arista]

The 19 year old British student Nikolai Nizalov
in Ukraine Fighting Russians
was just Live on GBnewsHD.


He is angry his UK University will not give him funding?


It is advised by UK Government
not to fight in Ukraine

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/SEC_98310838.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C338

[The Slim Reaper]

Probably the work of the far left to block Ukrainian visas.

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[arista]

The Online Paper :


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[arista]

In the Steel Works there are around 20 Children
under the rubble.

A Man, out there, on GMBHD itv
said they can not lift the slabs?

[MTVN]

1521447647046942723

[Sticks]

This is not about the Ukraine, its about the UK local elections. How cynical can you get?

[arista]

This is not about the Ukraine, its about the UK local elections. How cynical can you get?


Rubbish
that was a planned speech
for Ukraine Parliament.



The Local Elections are Thursday

[Sticks]

And some how it was planned to happen two days before the UK local elections, whose date had been known for months...

Why not last week as some commentators have asked?

[arista]

GMBHD itv
talking to a Newspaper reporter out there

The Russians are sending missiles into
Railway stations and Power stations.
As New Weapons are sent by rail.


By Firing so many Missiles
the Russians are sadly winning

[Zizu]

The whole situation is unbelievable !!

If we in the uk were hit by just one of these missiles it would be terrifying and would shake our society up terribly yet Ukraine must have been constantly bombarded with hundreds of thousands of bombs and missiles for ages now .

I can’t even imagine how they must be feeling ...


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[bots]

of course boris timed his address to the ukraine parliament to boost his local election chances, what politician wouldn't? The UK has been 100% behind ukraine, are people suggesting his support for ukraine is false? There are plenty things to criticize boris for that actually have some merit

[arista]

The European Commission President
confirmed Europe will stop taking Russian Oil.
by the end of this year

[STRASBOURG, May 4 (Reuters) - The European
Union's chief executive on Wednesday proposed
a phased oil embargo on Russia,
sanctions on its top bank and a ban
on Russian broadcasters from
European airwaves in its toughest
measures yet to punish Moscow
for its war in Ukraine.]


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-lay-out-new-sanctions-russia-targeting-oil-imports-2022-05-04/


Hungary & Slovakia have an extra year to end it.

[arista]

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace
in Finland, today.

Told them as they will soon be part of Nato
the UK would help in stopping any Russian Invasion.

[arista]

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[Beso]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPkBrD5XwAEQgqQ?format=jpg&name=small

If you think Putin was bad, wait till he dies and this man takes control.

[Beso]

The housing of the ukranians in britain is beginning to take shape, well done the tories on that one.

[user104658]

The housing of the ukranians in britain is beginning to take shape, well done the tories on that one.


You mean the slum landlords packing them in four-to-a-room?

[Beso]

You mean the slum landlords packing them in four-to-a-room?


Where are you reading this TS, I've not seen anything about this.

[Beso]

You mean the slum landlords packing them in four-to-a-room?

That's the ukraine family scheme, a blame for that should be laid firmly at the feet of the family member who was living here already.

I was more referring to the homes for Ukraine scheme, the one that has taken longer to come into fruition due to the government making sure everything is safe and above board.

[Sticks]

I thought they were all going to be shipped off to Rwanda :conf:

[Beso]

I thought they were all going to be shipped off to Rwanda :conf:

I could be wrong but I think that was referring to all the young gay terrorists in the dingies.

[arista]

I thought they were all going to be shipped off to Rwanda :conf:


Once the Left Wing Legal buggers
move out the way

[arista]

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[arista]

Evil Putin


https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1523242961756356610

[arista]

[Bono and the Edge in Kyiv to perform in
'show of solidarity' for Ukraine war

The U2 frontman and guitarist said they had
travelled to Ukraine after a personal invitation
from the president.
Bono said the conflict was "one man's war really",
while the Edge argued
that "musicians and poets and writers"
have a part to play in telling the story of the war.]

https://news.sky.com/story/bono-and-the-edge-in-kyiv-to-perform-in-show-of-solidarity-for-ukraine-war-12608567

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Putin is doing his Victory Parade
for his nation, WW2 Victory.

Massive Parade in Moscow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61353374


[Vladimir Putin tells a huge
military parade in Moscow's
Red Square that Russian troops
in eastern Ukraine are
"defending the motherland"]

[bots]

he didnt say anything new, he said it all before he invaded ukraine

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSUx2OCXoAUYyvc?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

[Boris Johnson will visit Sweden and Finland
to discuss the war in Ukraine, amid debate
within both nations about whether to join
the Nato alliance.
The prime minister is scheduled to
meet leaders of both countries during a
24-hour trip on Wednesday.

Mr Johnson is expected to discuss Europe's response
to the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Mr Johnson's official spokesman said the visit was
also about the "security of Europe more broadly".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61402292

[arista]

GMB HD itv



Live in Ukraine
Showed people buying Petrol
from back of cars
Out of large plastic containers
as there is a general shortage there

[bots]

Russia have suffered far bigger losses both in monetary and economic terms than they did in Afghanistan already, so I cant see Putin being in it for the long game. He wants a quick end to this so that he can move on to his next target

[Zizu]

Sky showing footage of Finland who are preparing for attacks from Russia .. and have been for some time

Sweden in a similar position


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[user104658]

Sky showing footage of Finland who are preparing for attacks from Russia .. and have been for some time

Sweden in a similar position


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I just don't think Russia has the supply lines to push that far west in all honesty... they've struggled with Ukraine and it's right next door... I can't see how they could feasibly even hope to mount any sort of boots-on-the-ground invasion of Europe. Air bombardment maybe but they don't have much hope of succeeding with that in EU airspace either.

[arista]

[Russian troops kill themselves to avoid facing
the horrors of Putin's war: Captured soldier says
young fighters 'cannot cope mentally' and
are shooting themselves]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/11/11/57675359-10804821-image-a-2_1652265772829.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10804821/Russian-troops-kill-avoid-facing-horrors-Putins-war-captured-soldier-says.html

[bots]

they are not going to attack anyone else until they are finished with ukraine, thats why i said Putin will want ukraine finished as quickly as possible

[Zizu]

I just don't think Russia has the supply lines to push that far west in all honesty... they've struggled with Ukraine and it's right next door... I can't see how they could feasibly even hope to mount any sort of boots-on-the-ground invasion of Europe. Air bombardment maybe but they don't have much hope of succeeding with that in EU airspace either.


Finland have already built massive bomb shelters under granite ..Sky showed footage


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[user104658]

they are not going to attack anyone else until they are finished with ukraine, thats why i said Putin will want ukraine finished as quickly as possible

It'd just be an afghanistan situation though. If they did take Ukraine, they'd have to keep up an active occupation or it'll fall as soon as they move on. How do they keep Ukraine actively occupied (keeping occupying forced fuelled, stocked and supplied) AND mount an offensive even further out?

[bots]

You wont hear anyone talking about Afghanistan in russia, it was a complete disaster, and ukraine is worse than that already. Putins hand will be forced when the people start getting restless, at that point its anyones guess what he will do

[arista]

Ch4HDnews Live in Ukraine

Found out
a train load of dead Russian troops
are being rejected by Russia, so far.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Sticks]

Putting the UK in the Russian Cross hairs, how irresponsible...

[arista]

Putting the UK in the Russian Cross hairs, how irresponsible...


Sticks

Every nation is against Putin
except China and North Korea.


Some in USA are claiming that it is a Proxy War
as well, Sticks.

[Sticks]

It does not pay to antagonise nuclear armed super powers

[bots]

its basically giving them nato membership prior to being ratified because if the uk is attacked while protecting sweden or finland then Nato are legally bound to step in

It's our duty to protect small democratic countries

[arista]

Russia has warned Finland
if they join Nato
he will Retaliate

Well you Little Evil Punk Putin

Give us your best shot.

[arista]

It does not pay to antagonise nuclear armed super powers



Yes, but does Putin want to be Nuked?



His Public do not.

[Zizu]

Yes, but does Putin want to be Nuked?



His Public do not.


Sounds kind the Russian people know diddly-squat squared if they believe that their troops are defending Ukraine against the Nazi threat or whatever


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[bots]

When Leonid Pliats and his boss were shot in the back by Russian soldiers, the killing was captured on CCTV cameras in clear and terrible detail. The footage, which was obtained by the BBC, is now being investigated by Ukrainian prosecutors as a suspected war crime.

It was the height of the fighting around Kyiv and the main roads into the capital were a battlefield, including around the bicycle shop where Leonid worked as a security guard.

But this was no firefight: the video clearly shows heavily armed Russian soldiers shooting the two unarmed Ukrainians and then looting the business.

We have pieced together the full sequence of events, matching what was recorded on multiple CCTV cameras around the site with the testimony of people Leonid phoned that day, as well as the Ukrainian volunteer fighters who tried to rescue him.

Short presentational grey line
The Russians arrive in a stolen van daubed with the V sign used by Russian forces and the words Tank Spetsnaz in black paint. They wear Russian military uniform and approach with their guns up, fingers on the triggers.

Leonid walks towards the soldiers with his hands up to show he's unarmed and no threat.

The Russians initially talk to him and his boss through the fence. There is no audio on the footage but the men seem calm, they even smoke. Then the Ukrainians turn away and the soldiers start to leave.

Suddenly they turn back, crouch then shoot the two men multiple times in their backs.

One is killed outright but somehow Leonid manages to stagger to his feet. He even ties his belt around his thigh to slow the blood, then stumbles to his cabin where he begins to call for help.

Vasyl Podlevskyi spoke to his friend twice that day, as he sat bleeding heavily.

Leonid told him the soldiers claimed they don't kill civilians, then they shot him.

"I said can you at least bandage yourself up? And he told me, Vasya, I barely crawled here. Everything hurts so much. I feel really bad," Vasyl remembers the call.

"So I told him to hang in there and started phoning the territorial defence."

The men he called used to sell air conditioning before the war.

Now volunteer fighters, Sasha and Kostya show me video on their mobile phones of Russian tanks rolling past their positions. Their job was to send real-time information on Russian movements to Ukraine's military positions up the road.

When Leonid Pliats was injured they were tasked with crossing the dangerous E40 highway to try to save him. Even today, the road is littered with the burned-out carcasses of Russian tanks, a reminder of the intensity of the fighting.

As the security guard lay bleeding, Russian troops were still on site.

On the CCTV you see them shooting their way into rooms, stealing bicycles and even a scooter and lolling around in the director's office, drinking his whisky, and rifling through his cupboards.

Outnumbered and only lightly armed, Sasha and Kostya were forced to wait although they realised that Leonid was dying.

"We talked to him on the phone, we tried to calm him. We told him, it's ok. Everything will be ok. You'll survive," Sasha tells me they did their best to comfort him.

"We said we were on our way. Maybe that helped him. Maybe. But unfortunately, by the time we made it, he was dead."

Even as they collected the two men's bodies, the volunteer fighters had to take cover as a Russian tank rolled past.

There is ample evidence against the men responsible for these killings. We have studied the video in minute detail and the Russian soldier who we believe was one of the killers is clearly visible, his face uncovered.

It is a long time before his friends realise they are being filmed and smash one of the security cameras.

We showed the footage to the chief of police for Kyiv region and he told us the bodies of 37 civilians, all of them shot dead, were found along the road to Ukraine's capital after Russian forces were pushed back.

The Prosecutor's office confirms that it is now investigating the killing of Leonid and his colleague as a possible war crime: one of more than 10,000 cases they have registered.

"My Dad was not a military man at all. He was a pensioner. They killed a 65-year-old. What for?" Leonid's daughter, Yulia Androshchuk, wants to know.

She is abroad and hasn't even been able to bury her father yet because of the war.

"I'm not so much furious as full of grief - and fear. These damn Russians are so out of control, I'm afraid of what they might do next," she told me.

Yulia hopes those responsible will stand trial someday, somehow. For now, she wants people to know exactly what happened to her father and for the brutality to stop.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61425025

[arista]

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[arista]

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