Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

Not many videos of action in this thread. Lots of photos but not much video.

Photographs are so 20th century. We have video cameras on our phones now. Who takes a photograph when you can make motion pictures?

[arista]

A Massive Bomb/Missile has gone off near one of the Airports
Hitting Fuel tanks

A live CNN HD reporter
in the Center of the City.

[Denver]

So it turns out that non of the sanctions on Russia actually become valid for 30 days, what is the point

[Denver]

Elon Musk has activated his Internet service in Ukraine which means Russia are no longer able to disconnect the Ukrainians from the Internet

[Beso]

Elon Musk has activated his Internet service in Ukraine which means Russia are no longer able to disconnect the Ukrainians from the Internet


Are you trying to make the world kill itself from pointless news?

[Denver]

Are you trying to make the world kill itself from pointless news?

The Internet us a big factor in the war

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[glib]

Literally take a break Arista you’ve been at it all day

[UserSince2005]

Wonder what bitch boy putin is going to try next.

[UserSince2005]

honestly can you believe this is reality? how can a country just decide to attack another completely unprovoked.

[UserSince2005]

Ukraine has obliterated the chechen muslim army killing top general.
the chechen muslim army are known for their dirty and bloodthirsty fighting, but they stood no chance against the mighty ukraine.

[arista]

Elon Musk has activated his Internet service in Ukraine which means Russia are no longer able to disconnect the Ukrainians from the Internet


Yes his Satellite
now directed for them.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/27/00/54699971-10555769-image-a-14_1645922525832.jpg


[Elon Musk answers
Ukrainian vice prime minister's plea
to switch on his Starlink satellite network
so locals can access internet even
if Russia destroys local telecoms system]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10555769/Elon-Musk-answers-Ukrainian-vice-prime-ministers-plea-switch-Starlink-satellite-network.html

[arista]

Oil Depot near an Airstrip,
and a Gas Pipeline
Both hit by Russian missiles

[arista]

Wonder what bitch boy Putin is going to try next.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/27/00/54699353-0-image-m-8_1645922027538.jpg


He has entered the 2nd City
Closer to the border.


[Russian troops enter Ukraine's second city
of Kharkiv and fierce fighting breaks
out after Putin was said to be 'raging' at
stalled invasion: Ukrainians obliterate Chechen
special forces column of 56 tanks
outside Kyiv and kills top general]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10555871/Kyiv-comes-huge-aerial-artillery-bombardment-leaving-pulsing-glow-sky.html

[bots]

that will teach the chechen idiot to brag

[The Slim Reaper]

:think:

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[UserSince2005]

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He has entered the 2nd City
Closer to the border.


[Russian troops enter Ukraine's second city
of Kharkiv and fierce fighting breaks
out after Putin was said to be 'raging' at
stalled invasion: Ukrainians obliterate Chechen
special forces column of 56 tanks
outside Kyiv and kills top general]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10555871/Kyiv-comes-huge-aerial-artillery-bombardment-leaving-pulsing-glow-sky.html

He so small could someone not just step on him and this all be done with?

[arista]

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Trevor Phillips
has told Liz Truss (Live on SkyNewsHD)
to correct this mess.



She has said they will.


No Date given when it will be corrected.

[UserSince2005]

Trevor Phillips
has told Liz Truss (Live on SkyNewsHD)
to correct this mess.



She has said they will.


No Date given when it will be corrected.

Disgusting every Ukrainian deserves British residency if they want it. Ukraine isn’t part of the EU

[arista]

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[arista]

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Nice Dog


A remix image

[arista]

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Demo

[arista]

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Sign Of The Times

[arista]

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A few days back.
The Leader and his Troop guards

[Vanessa]

Good for Ukraine for fighting back.
They're all heroes!

[arista]

Good for Ukraine for fighting back.
They're all heroes!



Sure Very Brave
but Russia has a Massive Air Bomber Attack
that can kill so many more
fast.

[Denver]

Belarus has said Russia can build nuclear weapons their, its time for the world to now fully sanction Belarus

[Cherie]

He so small could someone not just step on him and this all be done with?

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A few days back.
The Leader and his Troop guards

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[arista]

Belarus has said Russia can build nuclear weapons their, its time for the world to now fully sanction Belarus



Yes also Russia wants talks with
Ukraine in Belarus
today.

[Cherie]

Yes also Russia wants talks with
Ukraine in Belarus
today.

Zelensky will not go to Minsk...and who could blame him

If Putin is serious about talks then it has to be a neutral country

[Niamh.]

Elon Musk has activated his Internet service in Ukraine which means Russia are no longer able to disconnect the Ukrainians from the Internet[emoji106]

[arista]

Zelensky will not go to Minsk...and who could blame him

If Putin is serious about talks then it has to be a neutral country



Sure
send his Number 2

[arista]

From The Russian side
a CNN HD reporter
just said the Armed trucks
going into Ukraine
now have body armour on the Side Doors
to stop any Ukraine Snipers

[Alf]

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[bots]

one way or another, this is the end of putin.

[Cherie]

Sure
send his Number 2

Highly unlikely he would send someone else never to return from Minsk

[Alf]

Beware of propaganda. Question everything.


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[Cherie]

Beware of propaganda. Question everything.


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Do you have the 2018 photo?

[MTVN]

Beware of propaganda. Question everything.


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That smacks of bull**** lol

I hope you include that tweet in your question everything approach

[user104658]

Exactly. I'm not saying journalism is above using old photos that have nothing to do with a story, that happens all the time, but the claim that it is really needs to be backed up with a link to the original image source. e.g. at the beginning of Covid tonnes of videos of people collapsing (supposedly of Covid) in the street in China were posted on social media but turned out to be clips of people from years earlier, heart attacks, etc... But this was proven with links to the YouTube videos of the same footage, which had the year on them.

I'd need to see a dated article about the gas explosion featuring this picture, basically.

[Alf]

That smacks of bull**** lol

I hope you include that tweet in your question everything approachYes, I question that too. I understand that that story could also be made up.

Enjoy the show.



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[Cherie]

Question everything but no evidence of the 2018 photo which you would have expected to be presented as evidence or even the name of the movie :skull:

[Cherie]

Yes, I question that too. I understand that that story could also be made up.

Enjoy the show.



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FFS Alf that is more likely to be from a movie set :joker:

[Alf]

Question everything but no evidence of the 2018 photo which you would have expected to be presented as evidence or even the name of the movie :skull:I saw the movie tweet yesterday, not sure whether I'd be able to find it again, but I'll have a look and post it if I find it.

[Alf]

FFS Alf that is more likely to be from a movie set :joker:You're taking my advice and questioning everything. Well done.

[Alf]

I saw the movie tweet yesterday, not sure whether I'd be able to find it again, but I'll have a look and post it if I find it.This is it.


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[user104658]

You're taking my advice and questioning everything. Well done.Tedious. At some point you have to make a decision and form an opinion based on the balance of probabilities. Keep your eyes open for inconsistencies, sure, but there's not much point going through life believing that literally everything is false.

[Cherie]

This is it.


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Isn’t that a tweet from some random person though, not a media outlet?

Not really sure what is going on here, you don’t believe Russia has invaded a peaceful neighbour?

[Alf]

Exactly. I'm not saying journalism is above using old photos that have nothing to do with a story, that happens all the time, but the claim that it is really needs to be backed up with a link to the original image source. e.g. at the beginning of Covid tonnes of videos of people collapsing (supposedly of Covid) in the street in China were posted on social media but turned out to be clips of people from years earlier, heart attacks, etc... But this was proven with links to the YouTube videos of the same footage, which had the year on them.

I'd need to see a dated article about the gas explosion featuring this picture, basically.This tweeter seems confident that this is a 10 month old picture being used as the here and now.


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[user104658]

This tweeter seems confident that this is a 10 month old picture being used as the here and now.


Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the tweet claiming it is is POINTLESS without linking to the source that proves it's 10 months old. They haven't even attempted to explain how they know this, where they saw it... anything?

[Alf]

Isn’t that a tweet from some random person though, not a media outlet?

Not really sure what is going on here, you don’t believe Russia has invaded a peaceful neighbour?Not actually sure what's going on Cherie. All I know is I don't trust the people who have kept us locked down stopped us from travelling, threatened our employment if we don't inject ourselves and have called us racists for the past 7 years. Putin didn't do any of those things to me. I always treat people the way they treat me.

[bots]

it's as if there aren't hundreds of examples of wounded civilians now ..... get a grip fgs ..... its a war zone

[user104658]

Here you go Alf, I've done it for you and am even proving you right. The image is indeed from April 2021. Didn't take long to fact check and provide the evidence, why is no one bothering?

https://i.imgur.com/G1lwNvJ.png

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-zelenskiy-putin-meet-me-peace-talks-donbass-conflict-zone-2021-04-20/

(It's the second image, if you click the arrow)

[Alf]

Let's say for arguments sake that Putin is telling the truth when he says that he's getting rid of the Nazis in the Ukraine.

That would mean that the people who would be fleeing the Ukraine would be Nazis. So when our countries are talking about letting these people into our countries, do you trust whom we're letting in?

But's it's easier not to think about that, just trust the Western politicians and media, they would never tell us untruths, they'd never be corrupt.

[Denver]

Alf can you not go elsewhere with your pro Putin wankfest? He ain't gonna shag you

[user104658]

Let's say for arguments sake that Putin is telling the truth when he says that he's getting rid of the Nazis in the Ukraine.

That would mean that the people who would be fleeing the Ukraine would be Nazis. So when our countries are talking about letting these people into our countries, do you trust whom we're letting in?

But's it's easier not to think about that, just trust the Western politicians and media, they would never tell us untruths, they'd never be corrupt.

This is so full of fundamental misunderstandings of politics, war and history that I wouldn't even know where to start.

So I suppose it's easiest to just say...

Most normal German citizens, including the soldiers, in WW2 were not Nazis and if you don't understand that, you don't understand ... human history.

[Denver]

The only one behaving like Nazis is Putin, lets not forget he ordered strikes over the weekend on a nursery and a children's cancer hospital

[arista]

Let's say for arguments sake that Putin is telling the truth when he says that he's getting rid of the Nazis in the Ukraine.

That would mean that the people who would be fleeing the Ukraine would be Nazis. So when our countries are talking about letting these people into our countries, do you trust whom we're letting in?

But's it's easier not to think about that, just trust the Western politicians and media, they would never tell us untruths, they'd never be corrupt.


Even if there are
it is less than the Amounts in his own Bigger nation.

[Cherie]

Let's say for arguments sake that Putin is telling the truth when he says that he's getting rid of the Nazis in the Ukraine.

That would mean that the people who would be fleeing the Ukraine would be Nazis. So when our countries are talking about letting these people into our countries, do you trust whom we're letting in?

But's it's easier not to think about that, just trust the Western politicians and media, they would never tell us untruths, they'd never be corrupt.

the littlie kids with teddys?

Pretty sure Putin is talking about the governance of Ukraine when he talks about Nazis

[Alf]

This is so full of fundamental misunderstandings of politics, war and history that I wouldn't even know where to start.

So I suppose it's easiest to just say...

Most normal German citizens, including the soldiers, in WW2 were not Nazis and if you don't understand that, you don't understand ... human history.But if Putin was after the Nazis that exist in the Ukraine, then those Nazis will be leaving the country, among others who leave. So before we open the flood gates to any Tom, Dick or Harry we need to know who is coming in. I don't want my country to be a dumping ground for Nazis. We've seen many videos over the years that White nationists and Nazis do exist in those areas of the World

[MTVN]

Are RT hiring atm? They could do worse than our Alf

[arista]

But if Putin was after the Nazis that exist in the Ukraine, then those Nazis will be leaving the country, among others who leave. So before we open the flood gates to any Tom, Dick or Harry we need to know who is coming in. I don't want my country to be a dumping ground for Nazis. We've seen many videos over the years that White nationists and Nazis do exist in those areas of the World



There is not enough of them in Ukraine.

Alf
Stop being like Trump.

[Alf]

Are RT hiring atm? They could do worse than our AlfThose tactics won't stop me from having my say.

[arista]

Are RT hiring atm? They could do worse than our Alf



Yes RT HD


Alf in 1080i

[MTVN]

Those tactics won't stop me from having my say.

No tactics, you're always welcome to have your say!

[Alf]

Alf can you not go elsewhere with your pro Putin wankfest? He ain't gonna shag youWell that's a bonus because I'm not that way inclined.

[arista]

The British Teacher Harry
in the 2nd City.

Even though the Russians are now driving in the city
he said his personal safety is not threatened yet
he is in a High flat.


On BBCnewsHD/SkyNewsHD

[MTVN]

Sounds like Ukraine has regained full control of Kharkiv now after the Russians did enter the city this morning

[MTVN]

The British Teacher Harry
in the 2nd City.

Even though the Russians are now driving in the city
he said his personal safety is not threatened yet
he is in a High flat.


On BBCnewsHD/SkyNewsHD

That guy has been amazingly calm in all his interviews

[arista]

That guy has been amazingly calm in all his interviews


So Far.

[bots]

the trigger points now will be driven by putins impatience. So, we can expect the russian soldiers to be indiscriminate as they attack cities. We also need to be aware that he has his finger on nukes. With the west blatantly supplying ukraine with weapons now, it becomes very risky

[arista]

the trigger points now will be driven by putins impatience. So, we can expect the russian soldiers to be indiscriminate as they attack cities. We also need to be aware that he has his finger on nukes. With the west blatantly supplying ukraine with weapons now, it becomes very risky



No Nuke Weapons are in this.


Russia has a Massive Army/Navy and Deadly Airforce
that will take over Ukraine.

[bots]

putin has just put his generals on nuclear readiness .... so nukes are very much on the table

[Alf]

putin has just put his generals on nuclear readiness .... so nukes are very much on the tableHow do you get the forum to just automatically believe what you tell them to be true?

You don't even have to provide any video footage or anything.

Nobody will question your post because they automatically believe it true.

They always question me and try to tell me I'm wrong and tell me I'm crazy.

I just don't have your knack.

By the way, I'm not saying your post isn't true.

[Alf]

Do we all agree that nukes are very much on the table?

[bots]

How do you get the forum to just automatically believe what you tell them to be true?

You don't even have to provide any video footage or anything.

Nobody will question your post because they automatically believe it true.

They always question me and try to tell me I'm wrong and tell me I'm crazy.

I just don't have your knack.

By the way, I'm not saying your post isn't true.

all news media are reporting it Alf. Putin is filmed saying the words

[arista]

putin has just put his generals on nuclear readiness .... so nukes are very much on the table


To be fair, that's directed at Nato
who are upsetting him



Watched him saying it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Alf getting a free ride back to blighty, from Russia.

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[Alf]

all news media are reporting it Alf. Putin is filmed saying the wordsSo is that where I'm going wrong? Do I have to start watching the mainstream media again to get the facts?

Be careful MTVN doesn't look to find you a job at the BBC.

[arista]

Alf getting a free ride back to blighty, from Russia.

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Thats a great film
I have it on Bluray.
With 5.1 DTS sound

[The Slim Reaper]

Thats a great film
I have it on Bluray.
With 5.1 DTS sound

One of the classics.

[MTVN]

So is that where I'm going wrong? Do I have to start watching the mainstream media again to get the facts?

Be careful MTVN doesn't look to find you a job at the BBC.

:joker:

[arista]

One of the classics.



Really
showing the Dedication back then
of Troops
And how one Nutter
can change everything

[Alf]

"No fighting in here, this is the war room"

[bots]

To be fair, that's directed at Nato
who are upsetting him



Watched him saying it.

you do realise we are in a nato country Arista?

[arista]

you do realise we are in a nato country Arista?



Yes I do.

[Cherie]

So is that where I'm going wrong? Do I have to start watching the mainstream media again to get the facts?

Be careful MTVN doesn't look to find you a job at the BBC.

I do think you need to stop just looking at Twitter tbh..:laugh:

At times you do need to watch mainstream news, so maybe mix it up and then make up your mind ...

No one is saying everything that the mainstream media is true, but they are subject to regulation and fact checking...unlike twitter!

[bots]

I can easily see us being at war with russia within the month. This is putins plan, to escalate

[Alf]

I do think you need to stop just looking at Twitter tbh..:laugh:

At times you do need to watch mainstream news, so maybe mix it up and then make up your mind ...

No one is saying everything that the mainstream media is true, but they are subject to regulation and fact checking...unlike twitter!Arista and the rest of you, but mainly Arista provides me with my intake of mainstream media.

I also follow pretty much all mainstream media on twitter. They all have accounts.

They just usually tell me that I'm privliged for my skin colour, that I'm a racist and my country was built on racism. They're very off-putting.

[arista]

I can easily see us being at war with russia within the month. This is putins plan, to escalate

It would Depend on
if he takes out the Ukraine leader.



Sure putting getting his Generals alert
on his nuke weapon's
is no joke.

[arista]

Nato does not need to Upset Putin.

[arista]

Ukraine Delegation
has agreed to Meet Russia at the Belarus border

[Denver]

Putin isn't stupid, he drops one nuke and he is dead and im pretty sure the US has a lot more nukes then what they claim they have

[Denver]

Plus the US have the Saudis on side who don't really get along with the Russians, the Saudis can get a hold of a lot of Nuclear weapons and if it came to a war they would side with the west

[Alf]

Putin isn't stupid, he drops one nuke and he is dead and im pretty sure the US has a lot more nukes then what they claim they haveHe's not gonna have a bit of the other with you.

[arista]

Putin says it is Combat Alert.

[Denver]

Its common sense, Russia won't win a war they just don't have the capability to do so, they have showed this week that they don't have the technology or the gear to go to a full war, Russia has about 3 to 4 allies who are mostly weak aswell the west can rely on a lot more allies if needed but have the troops and equipment to destroy Russia

[Denver]

Also if North Korea were to get involved i am pretty sure South Korea and Japan will attack them

[Alf]

Trump spoke last night at CPAC. As usual he had a lot to say and was talking for over an hour.

I doubt anyone is interested but I'll share it with you anyway.

What's it got to do with this thread? You ask. Well he talks about what's happening in Ukraine amongst other things.

This guy was the leader of the free World just over a year a go, so he knows more than the media.


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[bots]

your love for trump is unwavering Alf, but, i'm personally not interested in what a failed president has to say

[The Slim Reaper]

After verbally fellating putin for the last 2 weeks, and saying it wouldn't have happened under him because he has a plan, here he is admitting his plan goes to a different school.

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[Alf]

See? I share a video of current affairs and it's immediately dismissed with a passing insult to me to go with it.

Had I shared a video of Obama speaking about the Ukraine, it would have just been normal to fit in with the forum.

[Denver]

Isn't it time he was arrested for War Crimes? He is a reason this has happened, lets not forget how he tried to blackmail Ukraine and when they said no he said Russia could attack them

[Alf]

Isn't it time he was arrested for War Crimes? He is a reason this has happened, lets not forget how he tried to blackmail Ukraine and when they said no he said Russia could attack themAre you willing to testify in a court of law all of this information?

With your eye witness information we can lock him up.

[Alf]

After verbally fellating putin for the last 2 weeks, and saying it wouldn't have happened under him because he has a plan, here he is admitting his plan goes to a different school.

1497809122820976641Corbyn is a Trump fan.

[bots]

Corbyn is a Trump fan.

So that's why Corbyn wasn't invited to attend any of the events when Trump was in london? :laugh:

Carry on questioning everything Alf

[MTVN]

Wonder if there's anything he could do which would cause Putin's top generals and politicians to intervene

It's not like he was always this powerful, a lot of its only happened in the last few years

[Alf]

So that's why Corbyn wasn't invited to attend any of the events when Trump was in london? :laugh:

Carry on questioning everything AlfI didn't say Trump was a Corbyn fan.

[Alf]

Wonder if there's anything he could do which would cause Putin's top generals and politicians to intervene

It's not like he was always this powerful, a lot of its only happened in the last few yearsIf my calculationss are correct, he already put things in place before he left office.

He has our backs.

[Denver]

If my calculationss are correct, he already put things in place before he left office.

He has our backs.

He can't even see his own back, this is a man who stokes the flames of a civil war and when his followers attacked went rolling into the basement like a mouldy orange

[bots]

Wonder if there's anything he could do which would cause Putin's top generals and politicians to intervene

It's not like he was always this powerful, a lot of its only happened in the last few years

i think it would require a peoples uprising that overwhelms the police. It may come at some point, but we are a long way from that yet

[user104658]

Putin isn't stupid, he drops one nuke and he is dead and im pretty sure the US has a lot more nukes then what they claim they haveThe US having "more" is largely irrelevant because if these numbers being in the thousands; the UK alone has enough nuclear firepower to effectively end civilisation as we know it. That's just 120 active warheads.

Basically if more than a few dozen high-yield nukes go off, the fallout and environmental damage would be catastrophic. Russia having 1600 active warheads and the US having over 3500 means nothing. If either fired just 10% of them, the world would be over.

Anyone interested in the actual stats by the way, Russia has about 6000 nukes and the US has something like 5500, but as the numbers above show, the US has far more active (meaning, ready to fire). Most of Russia's 6000 are inactive in storage and not in actual bombs or missiles.

But again like I said... Doesn't really matter. They have 1600 and a small percentage of that is global game-over.

[bots]

i think at the moment, all bets are off. Putin isn't thinking logically any more ( to put it politely) So he could literally do anything. Worst case scenarios are always unpleasant to consider, but they are there none the less.

Personally, i do feel that russia will fire off some nukes, whether they are tactical or strategic is the big question

I hope i am being alarmist, but putin is no longer a sane and therefore predictable person

[AnnieK]

I read somewhere (can't remember where but I dismissed it as a conspiracy) that Putin is in late stages of cancer and wants to leave behind a "legacy". He doesn't look like a cancer sufferer to ne but he is certainly acting like a man on a mission to prove something and quickly

[arista]

I read somewhere (can't remember where but I dismissed it as a conspiracy) that Putin is in late stages of cancer and wants to leave behind a "legacy". He doesn't look like a cancer sufferer to ne but he is certainly acting like a man on a mission to prove something and quickly

Anything is possible

[arista]

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The Reply is

" Cyclists think they own the road
even in a F ing War"

[bots]

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The Reply is

" Cyclists think they own the road
even in a F ing War"

thats funny :laugh:

[arista]

The Ukraine - Russia talks
are to take place tomorrow
at the Belarus Border


CNN HD

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1497935791095435268

[MTVN]

i think it would require a peoples uprising that overwhelms the police. It may come at some point, but we are a long way from that yet

Yeah or large enough protests that the cost of suppressing it is too much for the police to go along with

Ukraine themselves achieved change through mass public protest in 2014

[Niamh.]

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The Reply is

" Cyclists think they own the road
even in a F ing War"[emoji28]

[MTVN]

Jeremy Vine will probably make that the main segment on his show tomorrow now

[arista]

EU has now closed its airspace to Russian planes



Live on Both News Channels

[MTVN]

So basically Russian citizens can't fly anywhere in Europe now?

[arista]

So basically Russian citizens can't fly anywhere in Europe now?


They can
but No Russian planes.
It includes Private planes that take off from Russia.

And avoid Russia area


Like Rich Germans Fly to Spain.


EU has banned RT HD news channel, as well.

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/27/bcd8f842-ec68-4a90-abed-504a10b4aadf.jpg

100,000 protesters in berlin

[bots]

So basically Russian citizens can't fly anywhere in Europe now?

they will have to go by some very obscure routes, like via Dubai :laugh:

But holiday travel is big business in russia, so thats killed that off

[arista]

Russia's TV Rain
is the last free TV news. Russians watch Live on You Tube.

The lady in charge was on ReliableSources CNN HD live.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/russias-last-independent-tv-channel-covers-the-invasion-of-ukraine

Sadly not in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qN7FGb0n-w

[Alf]

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[arista]

Yes Alf
old news.

Trump not in power now

[Alf]

Yes Alf
old news.

Trump not in power nowAndrew Marr isn't in power and never has been or never will be, but that doesn't stop you from promoting him as the the man with all the facts.

So the next time you make a post about Andrew Marr, I will let you know that he's not in Power.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/27/05/54705365-10555871-image-a-36_1645941581159.jpg

[arista]

Andrew Marr isn't in power and never has been or never will be, but that doesn't stop you from promoting him as the the man with all the facts.

So the next time you make a post about Andrew Marr, I will let you know that he's not in Power.


A reporter for LBC
I made a thread on him.

[Alf]

A reporter for LBC
I made a thread on him.But he's not in Power, so we don't need to know about his activities.

[arista]

But he's not in Power, so we don't need to know about his activities.


Of Course,
he has never been in power



He is Ex BBC
now on LBC

[arista]

Ch4HDnews showed a Video
of some Black folks being blocked and refused
entry to Poland


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT6KHIwup4

[arista]

Ch4HDnews Lindsey Hilsum reporter out there
said giving loaded
machine guns to everyone is dangerous.

As some Local Thugs may rob people

[arista]

Germany is now sending
Weapons to Ukraine.

[Alf]

Ch4HDnews Lindsey Hilsum reporter out there
said Giving loaded
machine guns to everyone is dangerous.

As some Local Thugs may rob peopleChannel 4 accusing Ukranians of being thugs? That doesn't fit the narrative. Shouldn't they have their blue and yellow flags on show in solidarity?

Shouldn't Lindsey Hilsum have more faith in our new favourite country?

[arista]

Channel 4 accusing Ukranians of being thugs? That doesn't fit the narrative. Shouldn't they have their blue and yellow flags on show in solidarity?

Shouldn't Lindsey Hilsum have more faith in our new favourite country?

She has seen some.


Of course every nation has Thugs

[MTVN]

Ch4HDnews showed a Video
of some Black folks being blocked and refused
entry to Poland


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT6KHIwup4

Are they Ukrainian citizens in which case they'd be banned from leaving?

[arista]

1497987130500567045

[arista]

Are they Ukrainian citizens in which case they'd be banned from leaving?


No
They were Workers

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMna_2KXsAAxmKI?format=jpg&name=small

A Young Lady and her Dog
Leaving the War Nation.

Photographed by GMBHD itv reporter Nick Dixon.

[MTVN]

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[Cherie]

1497981284462653443

I wonder if Putin could see from afar how unimpressed the generals looked

[MTVN]

i wonder if putin could see from afar how unimpressed the generals looked

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[bots]

Fifa has ordered Russia to complete their upcoming matches without their flag, anthem and as the Football Union of Russia in neutral territory, following the invasion of Ukraine.

Several nations have announced that they will refuse to play Russia, including England, as well as Poland, Czech Republic and Sweden.

World Cup play-offs would see Russia face Poland then either the Czech Republic or Sweden if they win - and are due to be played in March.

Russian President Vladimir Putin launched a military invasion of neighbouring Ukraine on Thursday.

Fifa said talks will take place with other sporting organisations over whether Russia should be expelled from competitions.

"Fifa would like to reiterate its condemnation of the use of force by Russia in its invasion of Ukraine," world football's governing body said in a statement on Sunday.

"Violence is never a solution and Fifa expresses its deepest solidarity to all people affected by what is happening in Ukraine."

"Fifa will continue its ongoing dialogue with the International Olympic Committee, Uefa and other sport organisations to determine any additional measures or sanctions, including a potential exclusion from competitions, that shall be applied in the near future should the situation not be improving rapidly.

"Fifa's thoughts remain with everybody affected by this shocking and worrying situation.

Earlier on Sunday the Football Association announced England will not play any international matches against Russia at any level following the invasion of Ukraine.

The FA said they "wholeheartedly condemn the atrocities being committed by the Russian leadership".

English football's governing body said the boycott of matches will be "for the foreseeable future".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60548685

[user104658]

i think at the moment, all bets are off. Putin isn't thinking logically any more ( to put it politely) So he could literally do anything. Worst case scenarios are always unpleasant to consider, but they are there none the less.

Personally, i do feel that russia will fire off some nukes, whether they are tactical or strategic is the big question

I hope i am being alarmist, but putin is no longer a sane and therefore predictable personI personally highly doubt it but then I'm far less convinced than you are that Putin is even vaguely "insane"... He's no more insane than Boris is bumbling/stupid. Convincing your enemies that you're either stupid or an unpredictable wildcard is a clever move if you can pull it off.

He's not going to fire ICBM's and tactical nukes are sort of moot these days. There are extremely high yield non-nuclear weapons that achieve the same goals without the political implications, and Russia has plenty of them.

[Alf]

Fifa has ordered Russia to complete their upcoming matches without their flag, anthem and as the Football Union of Russia in neutral territory, following the invasion of Ukraine.

Several nations have announced that they will refuse to play Russia, including England, as well as Poland, Czech Republic and Sweden.

World Cup play-offs would see Russia face Poland then either the Czech Republic or Sweden if they win - and are due to be played in March.

Russian President Vladimir Putin launched a military invasion of neighbouring Ukraine on Thursday.

Fifa said talks will take place with other sporting organisations over whether Russia should be expelled from competitions.

"Fifa would like to reiterate its condemnation of the use of force by Russia in its invasion of Ukraine," world football's governing body said in a statement on Sunday.

"Violence is never a solution and Fifa expresses its deepest solidarity to all people affected by what is happening in Ukraine."

"Fifa will continue its ongoing dialogue with the International Olympic Committee, Uefa and other sport organisations to determine any additional measures or sanctions, including a potential exclusion from competitions, that shall be applied in the near future should the situation not be improving rapidly.

"Fifa's thoughts remain with everybody affected by this shocking and worrying situation.

Earlier on Sunday the Football Association announced England will not play any international matches against Russia at any level following the invasion of Ukraine.

The FA said they "wholeheartedly condemn the atrocities being committed by the Russian leadership".

English football's governing body said the boycott of matches will be "for the foreseeable future".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60548685Apart from punishing the football players (who have done nothing wrong) I don't see what this achieves.

We haven't taken this sort of action against other countries around the World when they've been scrapping.

This type of uncharacteristic behaviour makes me curious.

I thought sport was about bringing people together?

[bots]

yes, that is true, politics has never been allowed in sport up until recently, but fifa have little choice when countries say they arent going to play russia

[Oliver_W]

I personally highly doubt it but then I'm far less convinced than you are that Putin is even vaguely "insane"... He's no more insane than Boris is bumbling/stupid. Convincing your enemies that you're either stupid or an unpredictable wildcard is a clever move if you can pull it off.

He's not going to fire ICBM's and tactical nukes are sort of moot these days. There are extremely high yield non-nuclear weapons that achieve the same goals without the political implications, and Russia has plenty of them.
Quite. While maybe Boris manner may well be naturally a bit blustery, I don't get how people still think he's the bumbling idiot he portrays himself as. Thinking that his view of the world is blinkered or limited is valid, but stupid he is not.

I don't know enough about Putin in general to know if he seems increasingly "insane", but my mum has a theory that he's been diagnosed with a terminal disease, and wants to take as much of the world with him as possible :joker: makes more sense than thinking he's simply crazy, I guess.

[arista]

1498025251984314371

[bots]

i certainly don't want to come on to this forum and say "told ya"

I guess i have watched putin more closely than many having at one time lived in russia, over the 22 years he has been in power i see a big change in behaviour

[user104658]

i certainly don't want to come on to this forum and say "told ya"

I guess i have watched putin more closely than many having at one time lived in russia, over the 22 years he has been in power i see a big change in behaviour

I think he almost certainly wants to be listed in the history books alongside other Big Russian Names, and I think he thought he could take Ukraine quickly, decisively and impressively. I think it's highly UNlikely that he wants to be in those books for starting a nuclear war in a rage/that's seen as impulsive or illogical. If it isn't the end of the world/world as we know it, it would at the very least be the end of Russia as a viable nation. They would be completely isolated from the rest of the world for a very long time, or until a complete regime change.

I don't know, maybe others who have been following him more closely can also see an escalation. If he's "mad" it's in the sociological sense of being power mad/perhaps just not giving a **** any more. He's not "insane" in the sense of being mentally ill, though. There's just nothing about him or his demeanor that suggests that in the slightest. People who have actually "gone mad" aren't like movie villains ... they have quite obviously erratic behaviour and disordered thinking. Kanye West would be a good example of someone who the public sees as "mad" who is clearly genuinely unwell. Putin just ... isn't. His decisions are terrible, some unthinkable, but his mental capacity is fine.

[jet]

Quite. While maybe Boris manner may well be naturally a bit blustery, I don't get how people still think he's the bumbling idiot he portrays himself as. Thinking that his view of the world is blinkered or limited is valid, but stupid he is not.

I don't know enough about Putin in general to know if he seems increasingly "insane", but my mum has a theory that he's been diagnosed with a terminal disease, and wants to take as much of the world with him as possible :joker: makes more sense than thinking he's simply crazy, I guess.

Boris is far from stupid...and your Mum's theory...I've heard quite a few people express that opinion which would be horrific if true.
I don't know what to think. Is he insane, or evil, or both. He certainly hasn't gone into this in a rational, well thought out way. :conf:

[user104658]

Boris is far from stupid...and your Mum's theory...I've heard quite a few people express that opinion which would be horrific if true.
I don't know what to think. Is he insane, or evil, or both. He certainly hasn't gone into this in a rational, well thought out way. :conf:

I doubt he wants to "take the world with him" or that that is the motivation anyway... ... why play games? He'd just do it :shrug:. I think if the theory holds water though, and he is terminally ill, it might simply be that he knows he has limited time left to make his mark on history.

[Alf]

If they asked Trump to sort this mess out right now, it would be over by the morning.

[glib]

If they asked Trump to sort this mess out right now, it would be over by the morning.

Well let’s face it he would have sent nukes off the bat

[Alf]

My new favourite ex-page 3 girl agrees with me again.

Leilani is a warrior Jedi fighting in the information cyber wars.

Princess Leilani


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[Alf]

Orange man bad!


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[Kizzy]

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What the frick! what happened to this guy, did he put it down? Throw it? D:

[Denver]

Liss Truss has said Brits are welcome to travel to Ukraine and fight against Russia, a number of Brits who have fought in wars before are already on their way aswell as some who plan to help people escape safely

[Kizzy]

Why are our governments so good at getting our servicemen and women killed in needless conflict?
Just go get the people out safely!

[Denver]

Why are our governments so good at getting our servicemen and women killed in needless conflict?
Just go get the people out safely!

Its people who are not affliated with the Army its kinda hard to stop them

[Denver]

Why are our governments so good at getting our servicemen and women killed in needless conflict?
Just go get the people out safely!

Its people who are not affliated with the Army its kinda hard to stop them

[glib]

Liss Truss has said Brits are welcome to travel to Ukraine and fight against Russia, a number of Brits who have fought in wars before are already on their way aswell as some who plan to help people escape safely

Source?

[Alf]

Its people who are not affliated with the Army its kinda hard to stop themIt's kinda hard because everyone is looking to Washington for some leadership but there is nothing there.

[Denver]

Source?

You only have to look at social media with people going through the long drive there, many people from different countries has accepted the call from Ukraine for help

[glib]

You only have to look at social media with people going through the long drive there, many people from different countries has accepted the call from Ukraine for help

Only recently on bbc news hun:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60528276

[Denver]

Only recently on bbc news hun:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60528276

That has zero to donwith what I said

[glib]

That has zero to donwith what I said

Im waiting for a link to these Facebook posts about British veterans going to Ukraine

[Denver]

Im waiting for a link to these Facebook posts about British veterans going to Ukraine

They are not veterans they are people who are non affliated who go to other countries to help with the war

[glib]

a number of Brits who have fought in wars before are already on their way

:conf:

[Kizzy]

Then she's even more stupid, these are untrained vigilantes then?

[Denver]

:conf:
Its a complicated situation, ask the Kurdish they accepted a lot of British help

[Denver]

Then she's even more stupid, these are untrained vigilantes then?

No they are definitely trained just not with the army although you do sometimes get some people who dropped out the army for some reason a lot of them don't have military experience

[Alf]

Would you like him to be the cat?


1497891706481610756



MTU0nkpMMw0

[Alf]

I might get myself a Russian flag Avatar tomorrow with a message underneath it saying "Mad Vlad" Just for the giggles and to see the expressions on your faces.

[arista]

Only recently on bbc news hun:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60528276


Yes Fake images
are easy for so many to use.

[arista]

I might get myself a Russian flag Avatar tomorrow with a message underneath it saying "Mad Vlad" Just for the giggles and to see the expressions on your faces.


Perfect for you.

Vlad still has Mega deadly bombs he can use.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/151AC/production/_123444468_times-nc.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/178BC/production/_123444469_guardian-nc.jpg

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15D64/production/_123444498_sun-nc.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/18474/production/_123444499_star-nc.jpg



Top of this Fun Paper
a Sign saying "Putin has a Small Willy"

[MTVN]

Source?

Buzzfeed did an article on a unit of British and American ex special forces who were heading over:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/american-nato-military-veterans-fight-russia-with-ukraine

There were already a handful of Brits over there already fighting

[user104658]

A politician encouraging people to go and join the militia of another country is complete and utter ****ing madness.

[arista]

A politician encouraging people to go and join the militia of another country is complete and utter ****ing madness.



Yes on Sunday live BBC1HD

Liz Truss. A Foreign Minister

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60544838

https://news-florida.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/51340837-10275301-image-m-296_1638648008340-306x470.jpg

[arista]

Over 4,000 Russian Troops have died

Zelensky has stated Russian Troops leave and go home
his latest tweet.

[Nicky91]

Over 4,000 Russian Troops have died

Zelensky has stated Russian Troops leave and go home
his latest tweet.

sent into a death march by the paranoid demented dictator putin

:sad:


Putin should've been removed as president, he really is mentally unfit to continue as a leader, he really has changed so much

he is the one who makes his nation look bad, very bad

[user104658]

he is the one who makes his nation look bad, very bad

Indeed; I think hacker groups targetting Russia should be another big indicator of what people there really think. A huge chunk of the biggest members of these hacker groups are Russian and will be operating from within Russia. Likely why they were able to hack the Russian government and media stuff so quickly - these guys learned and practiced their skills on Russian servers... it's their own back yard.

I feel awful for the normal citizens of Russia who are completely against the action being taken. Even the soldiers, half of them are practically kids (18 - 21 year olds) and have no idea what's going on. But then I guess you could say that for most armed conflicts.

[arista]

sent into a death march by the paranoid demented dictator putin

:sad:


Putin should've been removed as president, he really is mentally unfit to continue as a leader, he really has changed so much

he is the one who makes his nation look bad, very bad


No, he does not want to be removed.
He is carrying on.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMpGyytXMAQW5j7?format=jpg&name=small

[MTVN]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMpGyytXMAQW5j7?format=jpg&name=small

Oof that's when cartoonists convey things better than any speech or article

[Denver]

During WWII Sweden and Switzerland stayed neutral, today Switzerland have frozen all Russian assets and Sweden has sent 5000 anti tank missles to Ukraine

[Beso]

After thinking about it for a long long time , I finally got round to changing my Russian sounding middle name. I've been Putinitov for far too long.

[arista]

Oof that's when cartoonists convey things better than any speech or article


Morten Morland
Cartoonist for the Times
finds easy targets

[Denver]

Ukraine will release all prisoners with combat experience

[arista]

During WWII Sweden and Switzerland stayed neutral, today Switzerland have frozen all Russian assets and Sweden has sent 5000 anti tank missles to Ukraine



Yes it's All change now

[arista]

Ukraine will release all prisoners with combat experience



Not so sure
as some are Sex offenders

[user104658]

During WWII Sweden and Switzerland stayed neutral, today Switzerland have frozen all Russian assets and Sweden has sent 5000 anti tank missles to Ukraine

The reason for Sweden being neutral in WW2 is fairly obvious, they were somewhat sandwiched between Russia and the Nazis and their country could have ended up collateral damage in a clash between them. This time, they're aligned with all of western Europe on one side and pressed up against Russia on the other (well, Finland is between them, but I'm thinking more of the Nordic countries collectively).

Switzerland, the cynic in me would suggest, simply does not want to get caught up in the financial ****storm that is going to hit Russia with the sanctions, so there's probably a "banking reason" that makes it more stable if they simply freeze assets.

[Zizu]

Not so sure
as some are Sex offenders


Yikes


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Denver]

The Kremlin has said the sanctions gave significantly changed Russias economy reality

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMpGyytXMAQW5j7?format=jpg&name=small

This will be how it is.. liz is urging those with leave to remain to go fight so we can look good by accepting refugees on a visa.

[Kizzy]

Morten Morland
Cartoonist for the Times
finds easy targets

It's satire at its finest on the most poignant of contemporary issues today.

[Cherie]

A politician encouraging people to go and join the militia of another country is complete and utter ****ing madness.

Ben Wallace rowed back on this on LBC this am

Liz Truss is literally the worst FM ever and that includes Bojo

[arista]

Ch4HD news 30mins
Special Lunch News.

Showed a 6-year-old girl rushed into a hospital
with the Mother outside. After a Russian Missile,
They could not save her.
The Doctor shouted "Show this to Putin."



Many Medical Students
from other nation's like Jordan.
Went there, as it is so much cheaper to study in.

[Cherie]

The Kremlin has said the sanctions gave significantly changed Russias economy reality

is it time to buy Rubles

they have put their interest rates up from 9% to 20% .....

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

The Russians must be like we were in 2004 dragged into a war based on lies by an autocrat

[user104658]

The Russians must be like we were in 2004 dragged into a war based on lies by an autocrat

In a way it's even worse because Russia has mandatory military service, all males by law have to do a year in the military between the age of 18 and 27. So a lot of the soldiers being sent into Ukraine to kill or be killed didn't even make that decision to be a career soldier and won't want to be there at all. I think things like the "broken down tank" video make much more sense with that in mind. Those guys are quite happy to sit by their out-of-fuel tank in the middle of nowhere and hope that they get the order to withdraw before it's fixed... they'll just want to go home.

Also there's the disconnect of the Middle East being half a world away and easier to disconnect from for us ... this would be like the UK govt. conscripting a load of kids just out of school in the UK, handing them guns, and telling them to invade Ireland, where they may well have friends or extended family. Really such a messy situation.

And I think this is being reflected in a lot of the outcomes of these first battles. The Ukrainians are highly motivated and fighting furiously... and while the Russian troops outnumber & outgun them, their hearts are just not in it.

[Cherie]

Putin claims it was Liz Truss's comments that prompted him to put Nukes on high alert :skull:

[bots]

what she said was careless, but no way they would take that action over a throw away comment

[arista]

The Russians must be like we were in 2004 dragged into a war based on lies by an autocrat


Not really
Russians can not get a million marching against
an Illegal invasion, Like London did.


They get Arrested
Computer Photographed.
Given a File number

Putin
is a Dangerous Leader
he can grab nations.



Some are saying this is like 1938?

[Cherie]

Moscow has claimed that Vladimir Putin decided to put Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert following statements from Foreign Secretary Liz Truss.

It is not clear which specific comments from the foreign secretary the Kremlin is referring to© Reuters It is not clear which specific comments from the foreign secretary the Kremlin is referring to
According to the Interfax news agency, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a news briefing: "Statements were made by various representatives at various levels on possible altercations or even collisions and clashes between NATO and Russia.

"We believe that such statements are absolutely unacceptable.

"I would not call the authors of these statements by name, although it was the British foreign minister."


this is from the Colleen Rooney play book

It was Rebeckah Vardys account :laugh:

[arista]

[Moscow has claimed that Vladimir Putin decided to put Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert following statements from Foreign Secretary Liz Truss.]


No,
it was what Nato said to Russia

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/28/10/54751121-0-image-m-12_1646045221603.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559457/Horrific-reality-Putins-Ukraine-invasion-single-photo.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/27/15/54718423-10556943-image-a-61_1645977214672.jpg

[Kizzy]

In a way it's even worse because Russia has mandatory military service, all males by law have to do a year in the military between the age of 18 and 27. So a lot of the soldiers being sent into Ukraine to kill or be killed didn't even make that decision to be a career soldier and won't want to be there at all. I think things like the "broken down tank" video make much more sense with that in mind. Those guys are quite happy to sit by their out-of-fuel tank in the middle of nowhere and hope that they get the order to withdraw before it's fixed... they'll just want to go home.

Also there's the disconnect of the Middle East being half a world away and easier to disconnect from for us ... this would be like the UK govt. conscripting a load of kids just out of school in the UK, handing them guns, and telling them to invade Ireland, where they may well have friends or extended family. Really such a messy situation.

And I think this is being reflected in a lot of the outcomes of these first battles. The Ukrainians are highly motivated and fighting furiously... and while the Russian troops outnumber & outgun them, their hearts are just not in it.
That's how it's coming across too to be honest. I was worried that Russian soldiers would be terminator type characters. But they are coming across as anything but, I hope that is taken into account by the Ukrainians. 4000 dead is a lot, sorry to go all bleeding heart but you get the impression they don't want to be there and are being sent and killed as 'the enemy' regardless.

[arista]

[The Kremlin announced that a Russian delegation
had arrived in the Belarusian city of Homel
for talks with Ukrainian officials.
However, while Zelensky said that while said the
Ukraine was ready for peace talks,
he said they would not be taking place in Belarus
- which was a staging ground for Russia troops prior to the invasion.]

[Livia]

During WWII Sweden and Switzerland stayed neutral, today Switzerland have frozen all Russian assets and Sweden has sent 5000 anti tank missles to Ukraine

That's good, the Swiss freezing Russian assets. Any news about them giving back the Jewish gold stolen by the Nazis, or are they still hanging on to that?

On the subject of foreigners in wars, hasn't anyone heard of the International Brigade? Google how many nationalities were involved in the Battle of Britain. Some Americans, Canadians and Aussies were here fighting for us as soon as WW2 kicked off and a couple of years before the USA joined in. I have no doubt that there are ex-service personnel making their way to Ukraine right now, and some are there already. It happens every time there is a conflict and it always has.

[arista]

Russia got clever
did not open their stock market

[user104658]

That's good, the Swiss freezing Russian assets. Any news about them giving back the Jewish gold stolen by the Nazis, or are they still hanging on to that?

Yeah like I said, call me a cynic but I find it hard to believe that any action that's been taken in Switzerland is political or moral ... it'll purely be money-related.

Regardless, because of how Switzerland works, it's unlikely that it's even a government/federal decision "by the country", sort of the whole point of Switzerland and what they thrive on, is that they don't do things like that.

[arista]

[Any news about them giving back the Jewish gold stolen
by the Nazis, or are they still hanging on to that?]

They are using it
it belongs to them now.
Sadly.

[Kizzy]

And the gold taken from the middle east during conflict, where did that go? In out colonial past where did the treasures from India Africa and Egypt go?

Let's not start pointing fingers whenever we do there's always 3 pointing back at us.
The Swiss like us are doing the right thing now... I guess we will just have to be thankful for that.

My first thought not going to lie was Boris was team Putin. But he isn't .. is he?

[Livia]

So... Poor Jews, we wouldn't let them in during WW2 (not sure how my family got here then) on one thread... Then, it was okay for Switzerland to steal Jews' gold because two wrongs, somehow, in this case, makes a right.

[arista]

So... Poor Jews, we wouldn't let them in during WW2 (not sure how my family got here then) on one thread... Then, it was okay for Switzerland to steal Jews' gold because two wrongs, somehow, in this case, makes a right.


No, it is not Right.
But the Swiss Bank, gets away with it,
in their Vaults.

[Kizzy]

So... Poor Jews, we wouldn't let them in during WW2 (not sure how my family got here then) on one thread... Then, it was okay for Switzerland to steal Jews' gold because two wrongs, somehow, in this case, makes a right.

The weight of public opinion influenced our government at the time, in subsequent years there has been a campaign to counter that and it's working so well that even the decendants if refugees subcribe to the propaganda.

It wasn't ok then no I wouldn't suggest it was ... however the thread deals with what the world is doing now.

[Livia]

Ahhh... We're all brainwashed... I get it. Except you, of course.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[glib]

Lol Liz’s fault
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60558048

[Kizzy]

Ahhh... We're all brainwashed... I get it. Except you, of course.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

[arista]

Liz Truss is in Parliament now


On the Parliament Ch.
and GBnewsHD.

BBC and Sky are stuck on UN in NYC.

[Alf]

Anybody speak the lingo and know what they're saying?


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/28/14/54759119-10559201-image-a-37_1646060278907.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

Anybody speak the lingo and know what they're saying?



Nyet

[bots]

when visitors arrive from other planets and see the nuclear wasteland they will be saying ... if only liz truss had kept her mouth shut