Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

[UserSince2005]

US military chief states there is a low to medium risk of a Russian invasion in the next few weeks.

Shocking.

Lets hope this doesn't happen.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/15/18/41804990-0-image-m-35_1618506303336.jpg

[UserSince2005]

Biden better step up and sort this **** out.

And the EU needs to take a long hard look at itself for all the trouble is has stirred up in the Ukraine. Brussels has blood on its hands.

[arista]

Biden better step up and sort this **** out.

And the EU needs to take a long hard look at itself for all the trouble is has stirred up in the Ukraine. Brussels has blood on its hands.


Its Unstoppable now
So Much of the Russian Army are
ready to walk in.
Even Crimea is ready & full of Tanks.


America can not stop it.

[UserSince2005]

Its Unstoppable now
So Much of the Russian Army are
ready to walk in.
Even Crimea is ready & full of Tanks.


America can not stop it.

Crazy. I’ve enjoyed so many weekend breaks to the ukraine and it may cease to exist soon :(

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/15/22/41813640-0-image-m-2_1618523709487.jpg
Biden cancelled the deployment
of two US warships from the Black Sea
amid the troop build-up in Ukraine
Washington announced the U-turn after
the Kremlin warned D.C.to stay away
'for their own good'
'We have no desire to be in an
escalating war with Russia,'
a senior administration official said
Hours later, Putin took advantage
of Biden's U-turn back by closing off
the Kerch Strait
The move blocks any access to foreign
warships to the Crimea until October 2021
The Biden administration on Thursday
announced sweeping new sanctions
on Russian interference
Sanctions were imposed on
'eight individuals and entities' associated
with the 'ongoing repression in Crimea'
The White House also denounced
Moscow for offering the Taliban bounties
for U.S. troops in Afghanistan
Administration formally blamed Moscow
for SolarWinds hack and accused
Moscow of still trying to hack American targets]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9476571/Biden-tells-Putin-time-escalate-Ukrainian-border.html

[Nicky91]

Crazy. I’ve enjoyed so many weekend breaks to the ukraine and it may cease to exist soon :(

stop being so overdramatic lol


Russia only wants Crimea, Ukraine needs to submit if they are smart, and surrender Crimea to them, and no one else will get hurt

[arista]

Biden Stated His Democracy?

Not in Crimea
USA does not run the World

[arista]

The Russian Ambassador (Andrey Kelin)
was on Marr BBC1HD
in his London Embassy
recorded yesterday.

He Claims it is a Legit
Military Exercise.
No Intention to invade.



A Very Confident Ambassador
gave examples of the UK
doing wrong.

[arista]

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[Alf]

If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine they'd have done it by now. They won't be invading.

This is probably something to do with The Clinton foundation. Ukraine are the single largest doners to the Clinton foundation.

[arista]

If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine they'd have done it by now. They won't be invading.

This is probably something to do with The Clinton foundation. Ukraine are the single largest downers to the Clinton foundation.



Why all the Troops?

[Alf]

Why all the Troops?Any video footage or pictures of these? Or just the words of the Ukraine defence ministry?

[arista]

Any video footage or pictures of these? Or just the words of the Ukraine defence ministry?


Yes Satellite images
were on CNN HD, WION HD & TRTworldHD

[Alf]

Yes Satellite images
were on CNN HD, WION HD & TRTworldHDSeen them, you can't see anything to confirm it's an invading Russian army.

[arista]

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[arista]

BBC Text :
[Nato secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg who has
issued a warning to Russia to cooperate with the west.
The paper reports that Mr Stoltenberg
said the US-led defence pact was prepared
for "a new armed conflict in Europe"
if negotiations with Moscow fail.
It comes after Russia sent tens of thousands
of troops to locations close to its border with
Ukraine in recent months - a move the paper notes
has sparked fears that it plans a fresh
attack on the country.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16295/production/_122637709_ft-nc.png

[Alf]

Snoozefest!

Russia never start wars. They always let everyone else war and then pick up the pieces.

That's how I know that this is all nonsense.

[Livia]

I think we need not worry about the Russians until their harvest fails. Then, all bets will be off I reckon, and they'll march straight into the Ukraine, bread basket of Europe.

[arista]

If they want to Invade,
they must go soon
as the ground is Frozen

Good for Russian Tanks


War/Arms Expert Tim Marshall has stated
(He used to be a Skynews reporter)

[Livia]

If they want to Invade,
they must go soon
as the ground is Frozen

Good for Russian Tanks


War/Arms Expert Tim Marshall has stated
(He used to be a Skynews reporter)

Has he never heard of the Russian Generals, January and February?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[MTVN]

I've just booked a holiday to Kiev for 2 weeks time, maybe I'll get to see Putin's tanks roll in :omgno:

[bots]

i thought we were using sanctions as the mechanism to discourage them. Actually providing hardware to protect ukraine pretty much drags us in to the conflict

[arista]

I've just booked a holiday to Kiev for 2 weeks time, maybe I'll get to see Putin's tanks roll in :omgno:


If they go to War
you can be a Prisoner

[MTVN]

Not if I pick the winning side :smug:

[arista]

Not if I pick the winning side :smug:


If Russia gets their Army Tanks into Ukraine
Russia has won.


So you will be under Putin.

[Nicky91]

what if there won't be a invasion?


Putin keeps denying anything regarding this ''invasion of ukraine''




there always has been trouble between Ukraine and Russia, regarding who owns Crimean Tatar region for example, where Russian gets support by ukrainian rebels, which led to the Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 shootdown incident

[UserSince2005]

Not if I pick the winning side :smug:

We all know which side you picked when you had the audacity to call it Kiev rather than Kyiv.

[MTVN]

We all know which side you picked when you had the audacity to call it Kiev rather than Kyiv.

:joker:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands PM Mark Rutte and dutch minister of foreign affairs Wopke Hoekstra will travel to Ukraine to try and help out in this conflict

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/19/dutch-pm-visit-ukraine-soon-tensions-russia-rise


Prime Minister Mark Rutte plans to travel to Ukraine "soon" with Foreign Affairs Minister Wopke Hoekstra. He said this during the parliamentary debate on the government statement. Rutte called the situation at the border between Russia and Ukraine "very worrying."

Russia sent tens of thousands of soldiers to the border with Ukraine, pushing the tension in the region to a very high level. According to Rutte, the European Union is seeking dialogue with Moscow and putting pressure on Russia to prevent military action.

Even a limited military operation on the Russian side will involve high costs, Rutte warned. "It is important that we realize that." The European Union is preparing sanctions. The Netherlands is closely involved in this as the fifth largest EU economy, according to the Prime Minister.

Whether Rutte will attempt to contact Moscow himself is unclear. Last year he refrained from attending any meeting with Russian president Vladimir Putin at an EU summit. "I will not participate in a meeting with Vladimir Putin myself," he said at a European Council meeting in Brussels in June. When a reporter asked why he replied, "MH17."

The Malaysia Airlines flight was shot down over eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014, killing all 298 people on board, many of whom were Dutch. Investigation showed that the plane was shot down by a BUK missile system from a field in Ukraine that was under the control of pro-Russian separatists. The investigation team tracked the missile system's transport from Russia to the field and back.

The trial against the first four men suspected of involvement in the downing of the plane is currently ongoing. In December, the Public Prosecution Service demanded life in prison against all four.
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[MTVN]

I've been reading a lot about this recently with my upcoming trip, the Ukrainians are very grateful to Britain for transporting a lot of weapons to them while the US only talks vaguely about sanctions and Germany has banned any transportation of weapons from going through their airspace. They refuse to provide any weaponry because they say they have a restrictive arms export policy but they have just sent a huge amount of military equipment to Egypt

[arista]

I've been reading a lot about this recently with my upcoming trip, the Ukrainians are very grateful to Britain for transporting a lot of weapons to them while the US only talks vaguely about sanctions and Germany has banned any transportation of weapons from going through their airspace. They refuse to provide any weaponry because they say they have a restrictive arms export policy but they have just sent a huge amount of military equipment to Egypt


Yes,
USA no longer wants to be the World Police
they say/claim they will damage the Russia banks and
Financial Sanctions


Putin Told Biden last week or so
he does not mind.

All Putin is Demanding is Nato stay out of Ukraine.
Then he will not invade.



Ref: CNN HD/ WION HD/ TRTworldHD

[MTVN]

Biden is a foreign policy disasterclass, worse than Trump. He said last night that Russia probably will 'move in' but it won't be a full on war as if a small invasion of another country is all cool, massive encouragement for Putin..

[bots]

Biden seems to be incompetent on every front. His words yesterday were a disaster. He has pretty much sealed ukraine's fate

[MTVN]

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has hit back at comments made by his US counterpart Joe Biden about a "minor incursion" by Russia into his country.

Mr Biden had suggested that a "minor" attack might bring a weaker response from the US and its allies.

But Mr Zelensky tweeted: "There are no minor incursions. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60072502

[arista]

Another Week
of talks by Russia and USA.

[UserSince2005]

I made an effort to do a quick tour of ukraine before I left for NYC in last year. I spent every moment thinking about how this could be my last trip to the ukraine. Don’t let kyiv fall to the nasties please

[arista]

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[glib]

I made an effort to do a quick tour of ukraine before I left for NYC in last year. I spent every moment thinking about how this could be my last trip to the ukraine. Don’t let kyiv fall to the nasties please

It’s Ukraine darlin, Middlesbrough is probably a better holiday destination.

[UserSince2005]

It’s Ukraine darlin, Middlesbrough is probably a better holiday destination.

Ukraine is a great holiday. And so cheap. You live like a king.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Reports in the Papers
says Putin has picked a Pro Russian Former Parliament member
"Yevhen Murayev" in Ukraine to take the Power over.
He has no votes at the time.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/23/foreign-affairs-ministry-says-early-pull-embassy-staff-ukraine

Netherlands: Foreign Affairs ministry says too early to pull embassy staff from Ukraine

The Netherlands currently does not see any reason to remove embassy staff from Ukraine, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said.

"We are constantly monitoring developments and are constantly weighing up what steps we need to take," the ministry said. "Of course, we will consider whether there are grounds to let embassy employees leave. At the moment, there is no reason to do so," the spokesperson said.

The Dutch embassy is located in Kyiv, 150 kilometers south of its northern border with Belarus and around 240 kilometers away from the Russian border. The Netherlands also has a consulate in Lviv, near the country's western border with Poland.

The US State Department has urged relatives of embassy employees to leave Ukraine, according to Fox News, amid rising tensions at the Russian border. Bild also reported that Germany is preparing for possible evacuation. Russia has around 100,000 troops stationed at Ukraine's border, which are ready to attack at any moment, US officials stated, according to the Guardian.

British intelligence services reported that Russia is trying to help a pro-Russian politician into office in Ukraine. Russia has denied the accusation saying it was "false information."

Orange travel advice applies to most of Ukraine due to tensions with Russia and the coronavirus situation. Orange travel advice means that trips that are not strictly necessary are discouraged. For the conflict areas of Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea, the travel advice is red, which means that all travel there is discouraged.

[Nicky91]

of course Crimea is a conflict area, it is the only area of interest for Russia, it always has been


Crimea belongs to Russia, but no Ukrainians become greedy and want to take everything for themselves, Ukrainians need to stop pretending they are ''innocent'' they once belonged with the Soviet-Union, and Russia was the no.1 nation of that supercountry

[Nicky91]

i stand with Vladimir Putin, still support him as a world leader, and also ask yourself this


why would Putin intend to go to winter olympics opening ceremony if so called ''evidence'' from hypocrites in USA with their CIA spies insists that Putin is planning a ''invasion'' of Ukraine

and where is this ''evidence'' exactly?

[arista]

of course Crimea is a conflict area, it is the only area of interest for Russia, it always has been


Crimea belongs to Russia, but no Ukrainians become greedy and want to take everything for themselves, Ukrainians need to stop pretending they are ''innocent'' they once belonged with the Soviet-Union, and Russia was the no.1 nation of that supercountry


But in Ukraine
they have a split with the public
Some want Russia to take over
but more to stay as they are

[Nicky91]

yes i know this, some are really anti-russia, but some don't mind russia


some ukrainian artists perform gladly in Russia, but some are completely against that


for example, in 2019 they had a pro-russian artist MARUV winning their national selection, but it was against broadcaster rules which she wasn't aware of during this selection, was quite a mess, and it led to them withdrawing from ESC that particular year



so the mess within Ukraine itself isn't helping to this conflict either, wish it wouldn't come to a invasion but diplomatic solution

[arista]

Reports in the Papers
says Putin has picked a Pro Russian Former Parliament member
"Yevhen Murayev" in Ukraine to take the Power over.
He has no votes at the time.


He spoke to Ch4HDnews
he wants to Sue
Lizz Truss the Foreign Secretary.

Murayev has his own TV show in Ukraine

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

USA has asked all the Embassy Families
to leave the Ukraine, due to the "possible" Russian Invasion.

[arista]

[Ukraine: UK withdrawing some embassy staff from Kyiv]

Following the Americans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60106416

[MTVN]

Well it's not looking too promising for my Kyiv holiday

[arista]

Well it's not looking too promising for my Kyiv holiday



Get a Change

[bots]

Well it's not looking too promising for my Kyiv holiday

i genuinely think you should be careful Matt. If the embassy ends up closed and things go to pot you could end up stranded without any means of assistance. Even if the embassy stays open, it could become more lawless than it usually is

[MTVN]

i genuinely think you should be careful Matt. If the embassy ends up closed and things go to pot you could end up stranded without any means of assistance. Even if the embassy stays open, it could become more lawless than it usually is

Yeah I'll probably make a late decision based on what happens next few days but it's probably trending towards being too risky to go. I only paid £25 for the flights so its not like I've put up a lot of money to go

[arista]

Yeah I'll probably make a late decision based on what happens next few days but it's probably trending towards being too risky to go. I only paid £25 for the flights so its not like I've put up a lot of money to go


No wonder you originally wanted to go

[MTVN]

No wonder you originally wanted to go

:joker:

[Toy Soldier]

Ridiculous situation that the UK can be held to ransom by the need to access natural gas from Russia.

The UK should have gone full-nuclear decades ago, and have cheap clean abundant energy by now and not be reliant at all on gas for power generation and home heating.

But it was made the boogeyman so people became too scared to use it. The UK is extremely geologically stable and a prime place to be using nuclear energy! I'd be wary of plonking a nuclear plant in California or (...umm...) Japan but the risk in the UK is practically non-existant. The only other major nuclear incident was Chernobyl and it was a catalogue of incompetence, errors and Soviet budget cutting.

Anyway... yes... we should not be in a position where we're relying on a semi-hostile nation for our energy needs :facepalm:. Madness.

[bots]

we get very little of our gas supply from russia in % terms

However, we don't store it here anymore in any significant quantity and that makes us very vulnerable to supply issues

If memory serves me correctly, most of our gas comes from Norway

[arista]

we get very little of our gas supply from Russia in % terms

However, we don't store it here anymore in any significant quantity and that makes us very vulnerable to supply issues

If memory serves me correctly, most of our gas comes from Norway


Of course, but The Whole World Gas market gets effected
by Russia.

So Norway will be forced to increase their price.

[arista]

Ridiculous situation that the UK can be held to ransom by the need to access natural gas from Russia.

The UK should have gone full-nuclear decades ago, and have cheap clean abundant energy by now and not be reliant at all on gas for power generation and home heating.

But it was made the boogeyman so people became too scared to use it. The UK is extremely geologically stable and a prime place to be using nuclear energy! I'd be wary of plonking a nuclear plant in California or (...umm...) Japan but the risk in the UK is practically non-existant. The only other major nuclear incident was Chernobyl and it was a catalogue of incompetence, errors and Soviet budget cutting.

Anyway... yes... we should not be in a position where we're relying on a semi-hostile nation for our energy needs :facepalm:. Madness.


All Energy Markets are outside of UK Control
on pricing.
Russia affects the other Gas Supply Prices

That's why it's Front Page today

[Toy Soldier]

All Energy Markets are outside of UK Control
on pricing.
Russia affects the other Gas Supply Prices

That's why it's Front Page today

Yes but my point is, natural gas in 2022 SHOULD be a completely outdated form of energy, we should have gone completely nuclear decades ago and be well into transitioning to renewables (backed by some nuclear to counter unpredictability).

Instead we're still heavily reliant on fossil fuels. Most homes still use gas directly for central heating. Don't get me wrong; I much prefer a gas hob to electric, but it's not ESSENTIAL.

[arista]

Yes but my point is, natural gas in 2022 SHOULD be a completely outdated form of energy, we should have gone completely nuclear decades ago and be well into transitioning to renewables (backed by some nuclear to counter unpredictability).

Instead we're still heavily reliant on fossil fuels. Most homes still use gas directly for central heating. Don't get me wrong; I much prefer a gas hob to electric, but it's not ESSENTIAL.


Yes.
But we are stuck in this current World market price
It will take 10 years or more to change

[Cherie]

i genuinely think you should be careful Matt. If the embassy ends up closed and things go to pot you could end up stranded without any means of assistance. Even if the embassy stays open, it could become more lawless than it usually is

I think our MTVN is used to that in the hostelries he frequents

[Cherie]

Staff being withdrawn from US and UK embassies, this isn't looking very positive

[arista]

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[Russia is planning to hold live-fire
naval drills off the Irish coast next month,
with Dublin saying the ships are 'not welcome'
(file image, Russian ships near Saint Petersburg last year)]

[Cherie]

Germany get 40% of their gas from Russia

[bots]

thats why a german general was fired for saying that russia would never invade ukraine and Germany have blocked any of their weapons going to ukraine

[arista]

France is to send Troops to
Ukraine


EU Nato Secretary has announced.

Live SkyNewsHD

[Alf]

Don't you find it strange that us and the Yanks are so concerned with Ukraines border and who comes over it, but our own borders are a free for all for anyone to walk through and they don't care about that.

[Cherie]

Don't you find it strange that us and the Yanks are so concerned with Ukraines border and who comes over it, but our own borders are a free for all for anyone to walk through and they don't care about that.

Is their a Russian plot to over throw Bojo and install a Russian PM?

[Alf]

Is their a Russian plot to over throw Bojo and install a Russian PM?Don't know if that's the plot, but yeah, I reckon there is a plot. Why else would fighting age men be entering our country on mass everyday with no signs of pensioners, women or children?

[arista]

Biden doing a Video Link with Nato in the EU


CNN HD USA Feed

[Cherie]

Don't know if that's the plot, but yeah, I reckon there is a plot. Why else would fighting age men be entering our country on mass everyday with no signs of pensioners, women or children?

That is for the useless government to sort out, USA have their own immigration issues

[Alf]

It's not gonna happen. I told you that weeks ago. And weeks later you're still believing the bulls!t and saying the same things you were before Christmas.

[arista]

Australia is also moving their staff from Ukraine


WION HD

[Cherie]

It's not gonna happen. I told you that weeks ago. And weeks later you're still believing the bulls!t and saying the same things you were before Christmas.

I don’t believe they will sort it out...where did I say they would? But why you think the US would get involved is anyone’s guess

What did I say before Christmas?

[UserSince2005]

Also i hope someones watching out for China doing a sneak attack on Taiwan when all this kicks off?

[arista]

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[Toy Soldier]

On balance, I do think it's very unlikely that this will escalate into a full armed conflict. This sort of sabre-rattling has been going on since the Cold War.

I guess I'll have a fair amount of egg on my face if I end up sitting in a pool of radioactive fallout after they drop a nuke on the Trident docks eh :joker:... :umm2:

[bots]

putin has been out of the global narrative in recent years, a lot of this posturing is probably to satisfy his generals.

If america wanted to inflict economic harm on russia, it has the potential to be devastating to russia, if they have the balls to do it. If i were russia i would poodle about a bit and then get back in my box

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/25/ukraine-embassy-staff-can-voluntarily-return-netherlands

Netherlands: Ukraine embassy staff can voluntarily return to Netherlands
Personnel of the Dutch embassy in Ukraine who want to return to the Netherlands will be allowed to do so. But the Netherlands, unlike the United States and the United Kingdom, still sees no reason to evacuate employees, said Foreign Affairs Minister Wopke Hoekstra.

The choice for evacuation "is a huge dilemma," said Hoekstra. Recalling staff too early could add fuel to the already heated conflict between Russia and the West. But too late is terrifying, with the chaotic evacuation from the Afghan capital of Kabul last summer still fresh in our minds.

Like France and Germany, the Netherlands does not yet consider Ukraine too unsafe for its staff. The US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, who joined the meeting of the EU Foreign Affairs Ministers by video link on Monday, did not change their minds either. But "we have indicated that, if employees themselves or their families want to the Netherlands, they, of course, have the possibility to do so," Hoekstra said afterward. A spokesperson could not immediately say whether anyone had already made this request.

The United States and the United Kingdom have much larger embassies that cannot easily be moved to safety. But they're not closing their doors entirely either, said Hoekstra.

Hoekstra asked other Dutch people in Ukraine to ask themselves whether it is really necessary to be there and to pay close attention to the situation in case it suddenly deteriorates. He emphasized that the fall of Kabul and the subsequent evacuation were "really different." Unlike Afghanistan at the time, Netherlands residents can leave Ukraine "without restrictions" for the time being. The country shares a border and good connections with EU and NATO countries like Poland and Romania.

EU Foreign Ministers asked the EU Foreign Affairs chief Josep Borrell to devise sanctions should Russia attack Ukraine. But they won't speculate on which act Russia can expect which punitive measure. Hoekstra did not rule out any sanctions but also did not want to say whether it is, therefore, conceivable that Russia will be excluded from international payment transactions, for example. The answer will be "big" and "quick," is all he wanted to say. What he noticed above all at his first meeting with the EU Foreign Ministers was their unanimity, he said.

It is precisely the elaboration on sanctions that regularly appears to divide the EU countries. Heavyweight Germany is hesitant, while eastern member states are invariably in favor of a hard line.

[arista]

The PM is Live
in Parliament, debating Ukraine and Russia


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
Live in Ukraine

They say some Ukraine Military arrested
some Russian spies who were going to try to disable
some areas at the borders.
They have their Electronic notebooks.

[arista]

Germany is holding back on sending
anything into Ukraine,
as they get their Gas Supply Direct from Russia.


Logical.

[arista]

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[arista]

1486285745165942787


History of Ukraine

[arista]

Russia has 5 Nations backing them

China
Iran
Belarus
Venezuela
North Korea


Ref:WION HD

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
reports all USA Citizens
in Ukraine must leave now


I bet the CNN HD USA lady reporter will stay.



Also in Belarus has
Russian Fighter Jets that are flying.
They will be the first Air Bombers
to take at Ukraine Air Defence.

[UserSince2005]

Russia has 5 Nations backing them

China
Iran
Belarus
Venezuela
North Korea


Ref:WION HD

Nicaragua better pick the right side or they'll be getting a few nukes too.

[Mystic Mock]

Russia has 5 Nations backing them

China
Iran
Belarus
Venezuela
North Korea


Ref:WION HD

Trust the Government that spread Covid-19 to the world would side with Russia.

I guess they'll never learn.

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[UserSince2005]

Cut em off. No German gas for the Russians. They will freeze.

[arista]

Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine,
is pictured on a phone call with President Biden
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/28/08/53476407-0-image-a-14_1643358361227.jpg
Some are now saying a Full takeover
could happen in 2 weeks time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10451273/Biden-warns-Ukraines-President-distinct-possibility-Russia-invade-February.html

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1487045700923887616/_R12lqWR?format=jpg&name=small
[Mariana Zhaglo Mariana Zhaglo,
a 52-year-old market researcher in Kiev,
has bought her own high-powered rifle to fend
off any Russian attack and is ready
to fight to the death:
“We have nowhere else to go,” she said]

[MTVN]

Zelensky not happy with Biden talking up an invasion being imminent, he is sorta doing the Russians job for them by doing so as he's creating instability by adding to the fear

I've been following the news there a lot the last few days and I don't think there's going to be a serious escalation anytime soon so I'm going to go ahead with my trip to Kyiv

[bots]

Biden has shown himself to be a complete idiot. You can just tell that his sanction package will be a heap of horse dung too.

I wouldnt take the risk of going to the ukraine at the moment. It's not really worth a visit at the best of times unless you are looking to find a wife :laugh:

[arista]

Ukraine: Boris Johnson to call Vladimir Putin on the phone
and visit region

I wonder if he goes on Weds
to miss PMQ's

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-tensions-boris-johnson-to-call-putin-and-visit-eastern-europe-to-accelerate-diplomatic-efforts-12527840

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60179127

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKTZlBxXsAAao2G?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

CNN HD Inside Politics Live

Pointed out last time when he (Putin)
took over Crimea
he waited until after the Olympics.

Will it be the same this time?

[arista]

Johnson Prime Minister is in Ukraine today
he was mean't to call Putin
yesterday, but was not able to due to the Sue Gray report.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/02/01/pm-rutte-fm-hoekstra-headed-kyiv-discuss-russian-threat-mh17

Netherlands: PM Rutte and FM Hoekstra headed to Kyiv to discuss Russian threat, MH17
Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Foreign Minister Wopke Hoekstra will travel to Kiyv on Tuesday to talk with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The meeting had been scheduled for some time but has been cast in a different light due to the rising tension between Ukraine and Russia, the Prime Minister said on Friday. The West fears a Russian invasion of Ukraine although both countries say it will not go so fast.

The situation in Ukraine has been very tense since a conflict over the country's possible NATO membership. Russia is vehemently against this and believes that the alliance is asserting itself too much on Eastern Europe. Meanwhile, the European Union and the United States, among others, are very concerned about a large number of Russian military personnel, including weapons, that have gathered along the borders of Ukraine. Rutte called the situation "very serious."

Ukraine has asked for military resources and money to defend itself against a possible attack. The country is also concerned about cyberattacks from Russia. The Netherlands already indicated that it is prepared to supply weapons with which Ukraine can defend itself. It is not yet clear what exactly that contribution will look like. Sources told newspaper AD that a Defense inventory shows the Netherlands will send helmets, shard vests, and metal detectors to detect mines to Ukraine. The sources couldn't say whether there are any weapons on the list.

Rutte wants to show with this visit that the West is "visibly involved," but he said that he does not expect he will make any commitments during his visit this week.

Concerns about the security situation in Ukraine increased further this past week. The British and American governments already recalled the relatives of embassy staff. The Netherlands does not yet see cause to evacuate people. But embassy employees who feel unsafe may of course leave the country, Hoekstra previously said.

Over the past days, the Cabinet had regular contact with UN Secretary-General António Guterres and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, among others. They're also scheduled to meet with Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal and representatives from the business community. There are also visits in the context of MH17, including a visit to the Joint Investigation Team.

After the consultations in Ukraine, Rutte and Hoekstra will travel to neighboring Moldova on Wednesday. There they meet with President Maia Sandu and Prime Minister Natalia Gavrilița. There too, the increased tensions between Ukraine and Russia are on the agenda, as are "our economic cooperation, energy, strengthening the rule of law", Rutte announced.

[arista]

Johnson PM has just landed in Kiev


SkyNewsHD

[MTVN]

Boris and me out on the lash in Kyiv tonight :smug:

[bots]

stay away from the ladies! :laugh:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKGWZorXIAQFdHx?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

PM Johnson and the Leader of the Ukraine
are about to go Live in Ukraine


All Media

[UserSince2005]

Two of the worlds greatest leaders in modern times in one room together. Iconic.

[arista]

We Are Live


The Ukraine Leader Zelensky
is talking first

[arista]

Johnson is Now live its 19:35 there

[arista]

BBC asks Johnson
has done enough to keep his job?


Johnson ignores that.
And says they must talk to Russian Mothers etc.

[UserSince2005]

BBC asks Johnson
has done enough to keep his job?

johnson needs to dictatorship the BBCs arse, absolutely fed up of them.

[arista]

Now Concluded

[MTVN]

BBC asks Johnson
has done enough to keep his job?


Johnson ignores that.
And says they must talk to Russian Mothers etc.

Why do they ask him that in Kyiv? The world is watching moments like this and don't give a damn about parties 2 years ago

[arista]

Why do they ask him that in Kyiv? The world is watching moments like this and don't give a damn about parties 2 years ago


The BBC want to get rid of Johnson
they do not care.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Putin: the west are trying to lure russia into a war

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3165536/defiant-vladimir-putin-says-west-trying-lure-russia


:clap1: Daddy Putin spilling the tea about the corrupt western countries

[Nicky91]

when is dictatorship NATO get cancelled and disbanded for good?

[arista]

when is dictatorship NATO get cancelled and disbanded for good?



No it is getting Bigger under
Old Joe Biden, President

[arista]

Senior Russian diplomat:
'We don't trust British diplomacy',
it's 'absolutely worthless'

https://news.sky.com/story/senior-russian-diplomat-we-dont-trust-british-diplomacy-its-worthless-12530767

[Nicky91]

Senior Russian diplomat:
'We don't trust British diplomacy',
it's 'absolutely worthless'

https://news.sky.com/story/senior-russian-diplomat-we-dont-trust-british-diplomacy-its-worthless-12530767

according to western news site Sky News


uh huh, another bit of western propaganda trying to get closer and closer to that war

[arista]

according to western news site Sky News


uh huh, another bit of western propaganda trying to get closer and closer to that war


it's on the BBC & ITN/ITV as well

[Nicky91]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/02/russia-set-to-face-ukraine-in-tense-futsal-semi-final-a76237

Russia set to face Ukraine in tense UEFA Futsal euro 2022 semi final

Russia are set to face Ukraine in the semi-final of the Futsal Euro 2022 competition Friday in what is set to be a heated match between the pair.

The miniature 5-a-side football format will see the two nations — who have been deliberately kept apart by the UEFA since Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea — face each other in a major football tournament for the first time in 14 years.

"The political background of this match cannot be ignored," said Emil Aliyev, the president of the Russian futsal association. "We have been kept apart for a long time, even at this European Championship, to ensure we don't play each other before the semi-finals.”

The match between Russia, who rank second in the world futsal rankings, and Ukraine, who are placed 11th, will kick off at Amsterdam's Ziggo Dome at 7 p.m. Moscow time.

It comes amid extreme tensions between the two countries as Russia’s buildup of troops near the Ukrainian border has raised fears of a potential offensive by Moscow on its westerly neighbor.

But it’s not the first time that sport could be co-opted as a battleground for political provocation between the two nations.

Prior to last year's Euro 2020 football tournament, Ukraine’s national team sparked outrage from Moscow by featuring an outline of Ukraine that included annexed Crimea, as well as political slogans that alluded to the ousting of Ukraine’s pro-Russian president in 2014, on their kit.

Ukraine will sport a reworked kit at Friday’s match after being forced to remove the shirts’ “political” messaging by the UEFA. In response to the change, sports publication Tribuna Ukraine tweeted: "In the next match we will remind once and for all that Crimea is Ukraine” alongside a photo of player Ihor Cherniavski.

Any suspense surrounding the match should concern the length of time since the two nations played each other, rather than the geopolitical backdrop, Aliyev said.

"This is the nature of sports, in particular futsal — it is removed from politics," he said.

"It would be better if everyone sorted out their relationships — who is stronger or faster — on the sports field.”
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[arista]

Prime Minister Johnson
has now Phoned the Russian Leader Putin.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/02/19/53696501-0-image-m-5_1643828554002.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10469409/Invading-Ukraine-tragic-miscalculation-Boris-warns-Putin-against-military-strike.html


['Invading Ukraine would be a tragic miscalculation':
Boris Johnson warns Vladimir Putin against military
strike as they FINALLY speak
amid tense stand-off - as RAF Typhoons scramble
to intercept Russian BOMBERS and Moscow
slams US troop build up]

[arista]

Ch4HDnews interviewed a Clever Russian in the UK
Mikhail Khodorkovsky


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Vladimir_Putin_31_May_2001-2.jpg/440px-Vladimir_Putin_31_May_2001-2.jpg
Mikhail, advising Putin in 2001


He said Putin will have to go to War,
if he pulls out, he will look weak.

He was asked about his safety
Mikhail said "I have been lucky but if Putin
decides I must Die, it will be hard for me to survive"

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[MTVN]

Ch4HDnews interviewed a Clever Russian in the UK
Mikhail Khodorkovsky


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Vladimir_Putin_31_May_2001-2.jpg/440px-Vladimir_Putin_31_May_2001-2.jpg
Mikhail, advising Putin in 2001


He said Putin will have to go to War,
if he pulls out, he will look weak.

He was asked about his safety
Mikhail said "I have been lucky but if Putin
decides I must Die, it will be hard for me to survive"


Just by threatening war and keeping the conflict going in the East, Russia will achieve their aim of making sure Ukraine doesn't join NATO or the EU so I don't think he needs to invade. Its just to create instability and give Russia centre stage again

Most people in Kyiv don't seem too worried and live their lives as normal. It's a beautiful city so I'm glad I went and the risk is pretty low right now so I hope their tourism industry isn't suffering too much. Its cheap as hell, there's tonnes to see and I did a Chernobyl tour yesterday which was an amazing experience

[bots]

Just by threatening war and keeping the conflict going in the East, Russia will achieve their aim of making sure Ukraine doesn't join NATO or the EU so I don't think he needs to invade. Its just to create instability and give Russia centre stage again

Most people in Kyiv don't seem too worried and live their lives as normal. It's a beautiful city so I'm glad I went and the risk is pretty low right now so I hope their tourism industry isn't suffering too much. Its cheap as hell, there's tonnes to see and I did a Chernobyl tour yesterday which was an amazing experience

As the saying goes .... 2 heads are better than one :hee:

[MTVN]

As the saying goes .... 2 heads are better than one :hee:

:joker:

Was actually slightly disappointed when they measured our radiation levels afterwards and I'd only acquired as much as you get from half an hour on an aeroplane

The geiger counters did get up to over 9 in a couple of hotpots though

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[arista]

[I did a Chernobyl tour yesterday which was an amazing experience]


I hope you bought Souvenirs

[arista]

Ukraine is safe for a while
Putin has arrived in China
Beijing 2022.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/04/09/53765641-10475983-Russian_President_Vladimir_Putin_L_and_Chinese_Pre sident_Xi_Jinp-a-47_1643966164132.jpg

[arista]

Ben Wallace is Live at the MOD
with the Polish Defence Minister


Talking of their unity of Ukraine
and how they will help.


Both News Channels Live

[arista]

Meanwhile


[Three of Russia's largest state TV channels
have warned Ukrainian attack on border area is 'imminent']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10475983/Russian-state-TV-channels-warn-Ukraine-attack-imminent.html

[arista]

Putin back in Moscow
talking to the French President Macron on a Long table.

[arista]

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[arista]

Lizz Truss went to Russia
Utter waste of time.
Achieved Nothing.

Keir Starmer went to Brussels
to tell them he backs Nato
unlike their last extreme leader.


Johnson PM also there giving his Anti War Speech


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60325643

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Lizz Truss went to Russia
Utter waste of time.
Achieved Nothing.

Keir Starmer went to Brussels
to tell them he backs Nato
unlike their last extreme leader.


Johnson PM also there giving his Anti War Speech


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60325643

more proof that Putin has been right, that the west want this war



Johnson's ''anti war speech'' more bull**** from that pathological liar

[arista]

more proof that Putin has been right, that the west want this war



Johnson's ''anti war speech'' more bull**** from that pathological liar


The West does not want a War.


Even the Labour Party Leader there


Until Putin Invades
its a waste of time.

[glib]

https://www.indy100.com/media-library/liz-truss-announces-toughest-sanction-regime-against-russia-we-ve-ever-had.png?id=29304374&width=400&coordinates=0%2C190%2C0%2C23&height=600

Liz looks nice in her traditional fur hat

[arista]

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Liz looks nice in her traditional fur hat



But a Wasted Visit

Russia Laughs at the UK.

[arista]

Johnson Now Live in Warsaw
with the Polish Leader

SkyNewsHD.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[USA President Joe Biden
says American citizens should leave Ukraine now]


[USA President Joe Biden has said
American citizens should leave Ukraine immediately.
Speaking to NBC News, Mr Biden added that
he will not send troops to rescue USA nationals
from Ukraine if Russia invades.

He added: "It's not like we're dealing with a terrorist organisation.

"We're dealing with one of the largest armies in the world.]


https://news.sky.com/story/us-president-joe-biden-says-american-citizens-should-leave-ukraine-now-12538715

[arista]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Kiril_Petkov_2021.jpg/440px-Kiril_Petkov_2021.jpg

Bulgaria
Prime Minister Kiril Petkov
is on Hardtalk, BBCnewsHD.

He is now taking Nato Partners Military Planes
in his nation.

https://www.government.bg/en/Cabinet/CABINET-MEMBERS

He also stated Crimea is not part of Russia?
(He is in error, As Crimea is Now Russian)



Putin has stated Bulgaria
must not have Nato in their nation

[arista]

Ukraine tensions: Russia accused of sea blockade


[Ukraine has accused Russia
of blocking its access to the sea
as Russia prepares for naval
exercises next week amid
spiralling tension in the region.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba
said the Sea of Azov was completely blocked
and the Black Sea almost fully cut off by Russian forces.

Russia has repeatedly denied any plans
to invade Ukraine despite massing more
than 100,000 troops at the border.]






https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60340232

[Nicky91]

The West does not want a War.


Even the Labour Party Leader there


Until Putin Invades
its a waste of time.

''the west does not want a war''


yup yup and still the west are moving their armies over to Ukraine



Putin might have troops at that border, but couldn't this be an defensive act since the west with corrupt NATO have set up their bases well near Ukraine, and in Bulgaria



+ all the vile western news media's do their absolute best too at provoking this war


when is sleepy biden sending those drones?, which the US also have used countless times in the middle east to order those attacks which have claimed countless lives but where the US do not give one single **** about



i feel my deepest sympathies for Russia how they always have been the west's biggest scapegoat for plans of global domination


as if the west want peace, because with peace you cannot take take take

[arista]

Russia has a Chance to Withdraw.

Any War would be bloody.

[arista]

Ben Wallace Defence Secretary Live
in Moscow British Embassy,

Trying to find a Resolution.



Taking Press Questions.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLUCs5lXEAQSxTV?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[bots]

All uk citizens have been told to leave ukraine now by the foreign office. WW3 incoming

[arista]

USA says an attack can happen wihle the Olympics are on.



Live both news channels.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All uk citizens have been told to leave ukraine now by the foreign office. WW3 incoming

that is just a tactic, a chess move

[arista]

All uk citizens have been told to leave ukraine now by the foreign office. WW3 incoming


No
thats why all USA and UK people must leave
before an invasion.




I think if Russia attacks
it could be at night time,

[UserSince2005]

this is too worrying, putin please stop now.if your listening this has gone too far.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/11/20/54080879-0-image-m-3_1644612717140.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10503627/Foreign-Office-tells-Britons-Ukraine-commercial-means-available.html

[arista]

The Online Paper

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[Nicky91]

The Online Paper

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more fearmongering from the Ukrainians

[arista]

USA has removed Non-Emergency
staff from their Embassy.


Any Americans Staying there
that do not leave will not be rescued.
President Biden has warned them
No Excuse.

[arista]

A Russian needs to Kill Putin


That's the best way out of this

[arista]

President Biden is to have talk with Putin on the Phone
today.


All media

[Nicky91]

A Russian needs to Kill Putin


That's the best way out of this

:nono:

that's murder

[arista]

:nono:

that's murder



So long as a Russian does it.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Online Paper


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[Nicky91]

The Online Paper


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more threats and dictating from the so called innocent USA


what was that so called ''evidence'' regarding the plans for this ''invasion''

evidence we will never see, this is how ''superpowers'' like the USA and UK and ****** up vile NATO can continue to dominate the entire world



wow Putin has troops at the border, is that so weird when many countries gang up on russia, when vile sleepy loser dictator Biden tries to lure him into war



want to solve problems in Ukraine, look within ukraine's own government ;)

[Livia]

more fearmongering from the Ukrainians

You're very brave, I mean, you're on mainland Europe. Remember what happened last time. Are you still going to back Putin when this all kicks off?

[bots]

This could easily end up as WW3, and it won't be the west that started it

[Kizzy]

Imo that's not strictly true...We destabilised Europe and we have the worst leader since, like ever.

[Nicky91]

You're very brave, I mean, you're on mainland Europe. Remember what happened last time. Are you still going to back Putin when this all kicks off?

oh well, hopefully nothing will kick off and hopefully the USA will tone down and lesser threats towards Russia

[arista]

You're very brave, I mean, you're on mainland Europe. Remember what happened last time. Are you still going to back Putin when this all kicks off?



Yes he will.





Even on Russian TV
the west are invading Russia.

Clips shown and debated on BBC media report.
R4 & BBCnewsHD.

Unless a Russian gets outside news
they are being tricked.

[arista]

This could easily end up as WW3, and it won't be the west that started it


That would need USA Troops going in
And Biden has said NO

[Livia]

oh well, hopefully nothing will kick off and hopefully the USA will tone down and lesser threats towards Russia

Yeah, it'll all be the fault of the Western capitalists, won't it, tovarishch

[arista]

[Putin 'doesn't give a s**t about Western sanctions',
says Russian ambassador to Sweden as
USA staff start leaving eastern Ukraine
before commercial flights are 'grounded from
TOMORROW' amid warning of 'imminent' invasion]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10507761/Putin-doesnt-s-t-sanctions-Russian-ambassador-says-amid-Ukraine-invasion-fears.html

[bots]

That would need USA Troops going in
And Biden has said NO

Arista, you seem to be clueless about how wars start and then develop. This is on europes door step, nato countries border the ukraine and russia wont stop at ukraine

[arista]

Arista, you seem to be clueless about how wars start and then develop. This is on europes door step, nato countries border the ukraine and russia wont stop at ukraine


It will
He wants Ukraine.
That is enough.

Putin is 69.


You appear to be in the past, thinking


And You need to see more Facts
Like Ukraine is not in Nato.


Obama got them to get rid of their Nukes
He is to blame

[bots]

It will
He wants Ukraine.
That is enough.

Putin is 69.


You appear to be in the past, thinking


And You need to see more Facts
Like Ukraine is not in Nato.


Obama got them to get rid of their Nukes
He is to blame

nato countries border the ukraine is what i said

I know how wars escalate, its all to easy, and Russia want to break up europe, they will never get a better time to do it

[arista]

nato countries border the ukraine is what i said

I know how wars escalate, its all to easy, and Russia want to break up europe, they will never get a better time to do it


Yes, I know
you know that about not being in Nato.


It would become WW3
if they took Poland.

But why would they?


Ukraine has Russian's living inside that nation
thats why only them
All Logical.

[arista]

Stupid USA Former President
made them give up their Nukes.

[Mystic Mock]

Putin would have to be absolutely crazy to start WWIII when the world has only just started to cope with Covid.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Online Paper

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[arista]

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[bots]

Wednesday is apparently invasion day

[Nicky91]

Wednesday is apparently invasion day

according to whom, the vile corrupt USA

[arista]

According to whom, the vile corrupt USA



True, it's a Guess
from what they have picked up
from their CIA.

[Nicky91]

True, it's a Guess
from what they have picked up
from their CIA.

ah the same CIA who could've prevented 9/11 from ever happening but just didn't because they don't care about the american public

that CIA

[Nicky91]

USA and UK like having prejudices against Russia, always calling them the villains


as if Putin would be that stupid to actually invade a country, he always has been a clever politician, this is just a means for negotiations




and as if USA don't invade other countries, i mean CIA didn't stop 9/11 because they enjoy invading the middle east, for more oil


US needs to shut up about ''invasions'' :bored: boring western hypocrites

[arista]

GMBHD itv
had a British Teacher not leaving
ignoring the Advice to leave
in Kharkiv.

Richard Madley said if he was his son
he would tell him to leave right now.


He said he has a plan to leave if War starts???????????????

[arista]

ah the same CIA who could've prevented 9/11 from ever happening but just didn't because they don't care about the american public

that CIA



To be Fair on 9/11
it was the FBI
who failed to check a report of a Saudi Student
(Hazmi as a soft-spoken Saudi student)
doing test flight in Florida
paying big money.

But NOT learning to take off or land.
Only learning to fly straight............................
Amazing pay big money learn to be a Terrorist

[Nicky91]

https://www.rt.com/russia/549230-us-cant-name-russian-invasion/

the title from one of the comments below this article


Russian forces could be invading Ukraine in a matter of days, according to Jake Sullivan, national security advisor to US President Joe Biden. However, contrary to earlier reports, citing US intelligence, placing the ‘invasion’ date on February 15 or 16, he refused to confirm any specifics.

Speaking to CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday, Sullivan echoed recent fears from other administration officials about a potential invasion of Ukraine, citing Russian troop movements in the area. Despite Moscow denying any such invasion is in the works, Sullivan insisted that “sources” and “gathered intelligence” suggest a “major military action” could “begin any day now.”

That includes this coming week before the end of the Olympics,” Sullivan said, referencing the sporting event’s end on February 20. “Of course, it could take place after the end of the Olympics. Or, it is still possible, we believe, that Russia could choose a diplomatic path.”

While Sullivan acknowledged a number of possibilities were on the table, he insisted military action is a greater potential due to the way Russia has “built up their forces” in the area, as well as the way “they have maneuvered things in place.”

Sullivan insisted there is “active planning” for a military action that could be justified through a “false flag” operation, though the national security advisor did not specify the sources or any other evidence for this information. The official cited concerns with troop buildup in recent weeks, as well as “Russian media” working to lay “the groundwork for a potential pretext [to start a war] by raising the possibility of attacks by Ukrainian forces on” Russians.

The Biden administration’s strategy of releasing so much of its “intelligence” claims on a potential Russian military action has come into question by the intelligence community itself, as talk of a potential military conflict with Russia has intensified in recent weeks.

Sullivan defended the administration releasing its “gathered intelligence” on Sunday and claimed that the information on Russia was being put forward to the public to allegedly prevent a war. However, he acknowledged a history of such vague intelligence being used in the past for an opposite purpose.

“We’re not putting forward this intelligence to start a war, which has happened in the past, Jake,” Sullivan said. “We are putting forward this intelligence to stop a war. And I think that gives it, fundamentally, at the outset, a different level of credibility.”

[arista]

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[MTVN]

I don't blame him, people there have lived close to conflict for years and no one knows how things will play out so its not simple to abandon your home, your job etc. with no knowledge of when you might be able to return. I don't think the threat to civilians would be that high at least not initially so he should be able to get west if worst comes to worst

[bots]

people who have made their life in ukraine have no real reason to leave. Diplomats and temporary workers it's a different thing.

If russia were to take over, it wouldn't make much difference in ukraine for the majority of people. It's not like afghanistan. They have been closely aligned with russia for a long, long time

[arista]

KLM is to halt Flights.


UK Aircraft like Whizz
are monitoring the situation.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60374577

[arista]

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[arista]

A Report from Ukraine on Ch4HDnews
showed Putin on another long table
talking to Lavrov (Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation)
saying more talks.

Many say Weds Invasion,
is not going to happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

these troops have been sat on their ar4es for ages - at best you keep masses of troops for a week tops to get best impact. They must be so unmotivated and bored senseless

typical crap Russia and their awful faded country

[bots]

its a huge logistic exercise looking after 100k troops. They will have been busy all this time

[Crimson Dynamo]

its a huge logistic exercise looking after 100k troops. They will have been busy all this time

doing what

TS brain teaser?

[arista]

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[arista]

Online Paper

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[arista]

Great Report on Newsnight BBC2HD

Started from Ukraine
One Lady from their Parliament
said at the end
"To Russia, Welcome to Hell"

However,
Russia has one of the Largest
Reserves,
$620 Billion
mainly made up of Gold.
Meaning, they can support themselves in a War.

[arista]

From CNN HD
Live in Ukraine
Weds is now a Holiday for them.

And he has increased the Ukraine Troop's Pay.

[arista]

From the 13th

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLaq2ebWYAIdn7A?format=jpg&name=small

[thesheriff443]

Putin should of had a few rounds to the back of the head years ago

History shows that these men breed hate, hitler mugabe, Hussain and many more scum bags all should of had the same treatment.

[Nicky91]

Putin should of had a few rounds to the back of the head years ago

History shows that these men breed hate, hitler mugabe, Hussain and many more scum bags all should of had the same treatment.

that's murder :nono:


more pathetic anti-russia negativity :bored:

[thesheriff443]

that's murder :nono:


more pathetic anti-russia negativity :bored:

Hello mr flip flop

[Nicky91]

oh boo hoo that i don't fall for the drama queen behaviour from the ukrainians


not just vidbir is one big soap opera then



tomorrow D-Day so we'll see who's going to get proven right



really shame on how so many people fall for the Ukraine's ''poor victim'' card

[Nicky91]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kremlin-and-the-west-indicate-diplomatic-solution-can-be-found-for-russia-ukraine-crisis/ar-AATRurd?ocid=uxbndlbing

The Kremlin and the West held out the possibility of a diplomatic path out of the Ukraine crisis, even as Russia appeared to continue preparations for a potential invasion, including moving troops military hardware closer to its neighbor.

© AP
ASSOCIATED PRESS
MOSCOW (AP) — The Kremlin and the West held out the possibility of a diplomatic path out of the Ukraine crisis, even as Russia appeared to continue preparations for a potential invasion, including moving troops military hardware closer to its neighbor.

At a made-for-television meeting with President Vladimir Putin, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov signaled Monday that Russia was ready to keep talking about the security grievances that have led to the crisis.

The comments seemed designed to send a message to the world about Putin’s own position and offered some hope that war could be averted, even as Washington, London and other allies kept up their warnings that troops could move on Ukraine as soon as Wednesday.

The fears stem from the fact that Russia has massed more than 130,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders to the north, south and east. It has also launched massive military drills in Belarus, an ally that also borders Ukraine.

Russia denies it has any plans to invade Ukraine, and Lavrov argued that Moscow should hold more talks, despite the West’s refusal to consider Russia’s main demands.

The talks “can’t go on indefinitely, but I would suggest to continue and expand them at this stage,” Lavrov said, noting that Washington has offered to discuss limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.

Moscow wants guarantees that NATO will not allow Ukraine and other former Soviet countries to join as members. It also wants the alliance to halt weapons deployments to Ukraine and roll back its forces from Eastern Europe.

Lavrov said possibilities for talks “are far from being exhausted.”

Putin noted that the West could try to draw Russia into “endless talks” and questioned whether there is still a chance to reach agreement. Lavrov replied that his ministry would not allow the U.S. and its allies to stonewall Russia’s main requests.


The U.S. reacted coolly.

“The path for diplomacy remains available if Russia chooses to engage constructively,” White House principal deputy press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said. “However, we are clear-eyed about the prospects of that, given the steps Russia is taking on the ground in plain sight.”

U.S. officials said the Russian military continued apparent attack preparations along Ukraine’s borders. A U.S. defense official said small numbers of Russian ground units have been moving out of larger assembly areas for several days, taking up positions closer to the Ukrainian border at what would be departure points if Putin launched an invasion.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss information not publicly released. CBS News was first to report on the movement of the units.

Maxar Technologies, a commercial satellite imagery company that has been monitoring the Russian buildup, reported increased Russian military activity in Belarus, Crimea and western Russia, including the arrival of helicopters, ground-attack aircraft and fighter-bomber jets at forward locations. The photos taken over a 48-hour period also show ground forces leaving their garrisons and combat units moving into convoy formation.

Still, Ukrainian security and defense council chief Oleksiy Danilov downplayed the threat of invasion but warned of the risk of “internal destabilization” by unspecified forces.

“Today we do not see that a large-scale offensive by the Russian Federation can take place either on (Feb.) 16th or the 17th,” he told reporters. “We are aware of the risks that exist in the territory of our country. But the situation is absolutely under control.”

As if to show defiance, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday would be a “day of national unity,” calling on the country to display the blue-and-yellow flag and sing the national anthem in the face of “hybrid threats.”

“It is not the first threat the strong Ukrainian people have faced,” Zelenskyy said Monday evening in a video address to the nation. “We’re calm. We’re strong. We’re together.”

In that same post he also said Wednesday, Feb. 16 would be the day of the attack, however Mykhailo Podoliak, a presidential adviser, said that Zelensky was being ironic about the date of an attack, according to CNN.

The country is preparing nonetheless. Kyiv residents received letters from the mayor urging them “to defend your city,” and signs appeared in apartment buildings indicating the nearest bomb shelter. The capital has about 4,500 such sites, including underground parking garages, subway stations and basements, the mayor said.

Dr. Tamara Ugrich said she stocked up on grains and canned food and prepared an emergency suitcase.

“I don’t believe in war, but on TV the tension is growing every day, and it’s getting harder and harder to keep calm,” she said. “The more we are told not to panic, the more nervous people become.”

In a last-ditch diplomatic effort German Chancellor Olaf Scholz planned to travel to Moscow on Tuesday for talks with Putin.

One possible off-ramp emerged this week. Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.K., Vadym Prystaiko, pointed at a possibility of Ukraine shelving its NATO bid — an objective that is written into its constitution — if it would avert war with Russia.

Prystaiko later appeared to back away from the idea, but the fact that it was raised at all suggests it is being discussed behind closed doors.


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aw, not something crybaby ukrainians wanted to hear i think

[bots]

So tell me Nicky, were you happy that the russians shot down a passenger plane killing hundreds of dutch people? This is the regime you are supporting

[Toy Soldier]

To be honest the only long term peaceful solution is to create a buffer zone (something similar to a DMZ I suppose) between Russian borders and Western allies... And to actually stick to it. The possibility of UN bases sitting right on Russian borders is just never going to fly.

[thesheriff443]

So tell me Nicky, were you happy that the russians shot down a passenger plane killing hundreds of dutch people? This is the regime you are supporting

To be honest Nicky Is a troll in serious debates but it’s not his fault it’s just the way his brain works.

[thesheriff443]

To be honest the only long term peaceful solution is to create a buffer zone (something similar to a DMZ I suppose) between Russian borders and Western allies... And to actually stick to it. The possibility of UN bases sitting right on Russian borders is just never going to fly.

There is no long term peaceful solution when you have putin running the country

He don’t give a dam about the uk America or Europe
He sent two of his men to the uk to use a deadly poison with no concern who it might kill.

[Nicky91]

oh yes resorting to calling me a troll just because i have my own opinion


that's what you have in good quality debates, everyone having their own opinions

[Zizu]

So I presume all the people / businesses on the border where the Russians are camped have moved well away ??

I’m imagining a 20 mile deserted radius around the Russians


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