Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

[Alf]

Everyone gathering round Rishi's desk because they know the UK is no. 1 in these mattersTrumps announcement has them all scrambling in a panic.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhr6rcSWQAAGTng?format=jpg&name=900x900

Yes
Rishi gives Macron
some important data

[UserSince2005]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhr6rcSWQAAGTng?format=jpg&name=900x900

Yes
Rishi gives Macron
some important data

looks like the start of a porno.

[arista]

looks like the start of a porno.


Only in your mind

[UserSince2005]

Only in your mind

Id give granddaddy my juice.

[Zizu]

Id give granddaddy my juice.


Is that a Grapes of Wrath reference ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[MTVN]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhr6rcSWQAAGTng?format=jpg&name=900x900

Yes
Rishi gives Macron
some important data

Biden is thinking 'who the hell is this guy, what happened to the blonde fella'

[Alf]

Biden is thinking 'who the hell is this guy, what happened to the blonde fella'Biden is friends of the KKK. You can read his mind right there.


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[Alf]

Come on!

Can't you see it yet?



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[Mystic Mock]

Only in your mind

Tbf is it bad that I thought the same?:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Biden is thinking 'who the hell is this guy, what happened to the blonde fella'

:joker:

[Quantum Boy]

Biden is thinking 'who the hell is this guy, what happened to the blonde fella'

Pretty ridiculous to suggest that Biden doesn't know who Rasheed Sanook is.

[bots]

:laugh:

[MTVN]

Pretty ridiculous to suggest that Biden doesn't know who Rasheed Sanook is.

:joker:

[arista]

PM Rishi Sunak
is in Ukraine meeting Zelensky, today.
His first face to face meeting.

They have snow in Ukraine.
Just shown on SkyNewsHD

Half the nation now has no power
after New Russian Missiles attacks

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-nato-poland-missile-article-4-article-5-putin-12541713

[arista]

Another £50Million package
given to Ukraine

That's a large amount of our cash.

[Quantum Boy]

Another £50Million package
given to Ukraine

That's a large amount of our cash.

We could all have had another £2 off a gas bill with that money :fist:

[arista]

Skynews Text:
[Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy
has said Russia's new strategy to destroy
his country's infrastructure and plunge
it into darkness will not weaken the country's
resolve to liberate all its occupied land,
the Financial Times reports.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-80a9d558-5408-4e65-8977-955996ef3d9e.png

[Sticks]

If Zelensky had allowed the people to surrender to Mother Russia, of which Ukraine is part of and always has been, then this would not be happening. Also it is the stubborn, criminal action of Zelensky prolonging this conflict, that is causing the cost of living crises here in the UK.

Maybe it is time to indict Zelensky for war crimes?

[bots]

bla blah

[Mystic Mock]

If Zelensky had allowed the people to surrender to Mother Russia, of which Ukraine is part of and always has been, then this would not be happening. Also it is the stubborn, criminal action of Zelensky prolonging this conflict, that is causing the cost of living crises here in the UK.

Maybe it is time to indict Zelensky for war crimes?

Fair enough on your opinion.

But I would argue that if Putin didn't go around blitzing a sovereign nation, then we would not be in as big of a living crisis.

[Nicky91]

Fair enough on your opinion.

But I would argue that if Putin didn't go around blitzing a sovereign nation, then we would not be in as big of a living crisis.

yup let's subtly ignore Ukraine their too nationalistic views in denying donetsk and lugansk some independences


even if Ukraine defeats Russia, donetsk and lugansk will never submit to Kyiv's regime you know


if Zelensky and his government weren't too power hungry on claiming entire ukraine as theirs, and putting water at the wine, which is a saying and given some freedoms to donetsk, lugansk, this whole invasion wouldn't have happened


russia supported donetsk, lugansk, those regional governments are pro-russian, and that is called ''freedom of speech'' always a own choice which side you are on


Ukraine's national government are toooo anti-russia, also being as extreme as banning music artists to perform in Crimea or Russia, no tourism allowed in Crimea, or the overall anti-russia propaganda to put tourists off from travelling there


even if the war is over, Ukraine still has internal problems to deal with too


and no, i am not racist, evil in my views, even if it might come across like that, and me being cornered on this forum results in me flip flopping my opinions which i shouldn't have to, before this invasion i have always liked Putin, i also like how one of my fave action film actors Steven Seagal works for him these days as a advisor, and my bias too with Maria Putin being married to a dutch journalist/businessman Jorrit Faassen, they were bullied out of my nation, the city Utrecht to be precise, even bullied in a supermarket


i feel sympathy for some of ukrainian citizens yes, but i cannot support their national government, i also feel sad for russian citizens, so much loss of life, so much bloodshed all bc of nationalism

[Quantum Boy]

Fair enough on your opinion.

But I would argue that if Putin didn't go around blitzing a sovereign nation, then we would not be in as big of a living crisis.

I'll believe that the CoL crisis has anything at all to do with Ukraine when the situation starts to improve after the war ends. I rather strongly suspect there'll be a new bugaboo to blame for declining living standards in the UK (point at anything but Brexit mismanagement and Tory austerity --- look over there!!).

[arista]

Ch4HDnews report
showed trenches like the First World War.

Russian are firing massive Machine Guns
and are sending Snipers in.

[Mystic Mock]

yup let's subtly ignore Ukraine their too nationalistic views in denying donetsk and lugansk some independences


even if Ukraine defeats Russia, donetsk and lugansk will never submit to Kyiv's regime you know


if Zelensky and his government weren't too power hungry on claiming entire ukraine as theirs, and putting water at the wine, which is a saying and given some freedoms to donetsk, lugansk, this whole invasion wouldn't have happened


russia supported donetsk, lugansk, those regional governments are pro-russian, and that is called ''freedom of speech'' always a own choice which side you are on


Ukraine's national government are toooo anti-russia, also being as extreme as banning music artists to perform in Crimea or Russia, no tourism allowed in Crimea, or the overall anti-russia propaganda to put tourists off from travelling there


even if the war is over, Ukraine still has internal problems to deal with too


and no, i am not racist, evil in my views, even if it might come across like that, and me being cornered on this forum results in me flip flopping my opinions which i shouldn't have to, before this invasion i have always liked Putin, i also like how one of my fave action film actors Steven Seagal works for him these days as a advisor, and my bias too with Maria Putin being married to a dutch journalist/businessman Jorrit Faassen, they were bullied out of my nation, the city Utrecht to be precise, even bullied in a supermarket


i feel sympathy for some of ukrainian citizens yes, but i cannot support their national government, i also feel sad for russian citizens, so much loss of life, so much bloodshed all bc of nationalism

For me I don't feel like Russia should be invading another nation, it's just that simple to me.

And with Donetsk & Lugansk, again if they want independence then the Ukraine should give it them, because long term you end up getting situations like this war with Russia if you don't respect groups of people.

[Mystic Mock]

I'll believe that the CoL crisis has anything at all to do with Ukraine when the situation starts to improve after the war ends. I rather strongly suspect there'll be a new bugaboo to blame for declining living standards in the UK (point at anything but Brexit mismanagement and Tory austerity --- look over there!!).

That's a very fair point.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Brexit is harming us more than our very prideful nation would like to admit.

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[Allegations made by Ukraine's first lady that
Russian soldiers have been given
orders "from the top" to rape civilians.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9a5bb20f-3a8b-4b6b-bf4f-0db255ce7725.jpeg

[Mystic Mock]

Well I hope that she's wrong about that.

But it's 2022 so she's bound to be right.

[bots]

i dont believe for a moment that an order came down from the top to rape civilians. The whole concept behind the russian special operation is that it is to liberate the people from their evil fascist government. That the people would welcome Russia with open arms

[arista]

First Lady Olena
is in the Westminster
Parliament Hall
with the Speaker of the house.

Olena now live

[arista]

Finland
Not Trusting Russia.


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-77d9e76d-2c32-496d-bc4d-aa6e4a4786f4.jpeg

[arista]

President Biden has stated he would talk with Putin
but with conditions.

Clip just on CNN HD this morning USA show
now shown on UK CNN TV.

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[Russia has quietly amassed a fleet
of more than 100 ageing tankers
to help it circumvent western restrictions
on its oil sales, the Financial Times reports.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3a4d2c1a-479c-4553-9f42-58b70203b232.png

[arista]

Yesterday Kyiv
was hit with Missiles from Russia
over 60 were stopped
but 6 or 7 missiles hit the city.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244


A new report that PM Sunak
is now going to look at the costings (an Audit)
of supplying Ukraine

[Sticks]

Yesterday Kyiv
was hit with Missiles from Russia
over 60 were stopped
but 6 or 7 missiles hit the city.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244


A new report that PM Sunak
is now going to look at the costings (an Audit)
of supplying Ukraine

Maybe Sunak will realise that Yolensky has to go, and it is time to surrender as Ukraine IS part of Mother Russia and their true leader is Vladimir Putin?

[Sticks]

It would save the UK tax payer money

[UserSince2005]

Apparently Russia is planning another land invasion from the north in January to take kyiv

[Mystic Mock]

Apparently Russia is planning another land invasion from the north in January to take kyiv

They're Russian into this.

[MTVN]

It could be a threat to keep leverage during any peace talks over winter, you'd think they'd want to strengthen the areas they hold now rather than try and take Kyiv again given how that went for them last time

I don't think it'll happen but then I never thought they'd invade in the first place

[bots]

i dont think that they have the reliability of equipment, logistics, moral or ammunition for another offensive. They can try for sure, but i think it will be a disaster for russia. Tactical nukes are still an option i guess, but they will never hold ukraine, ever

[Gusto Brunt]

The problem with Putin is no one is bombing his country.

Often wondered why Ukrainian's bombs aren't being dropped on Russian cities.

[bots]

The problem with Putin is no one is bombing his country.

Often wondered why Ukrainian's bombs aren't being dropped on Russian cities.

there is a bigger chance of russia blaming nato for it and causing a world war

[arista]

Zelensky is Flying to USA.
Today

First time he has left his nation,


Biden is giving him Deadly Patriot Missiles


GMBHD itv Live

[Nicky91]

The problem with Putin is no one is bombing his country.

Often wondered why Ukrainian's bombs aren't being dropped on Russian cities.

we cannot attack russia, otherwise it would become a war

[arista]

President Zelenskyy
Landing in USA
to take back, a new deal of bigger amount
Deadly USA Patriot Missiles

https://news.sky.com/story/volodymyr-zelenskyy-set-to-meet-joe-biden-at-white-house-on-wednesday-his-first-trip-outside-ukraine-since-start-of-war-12772239

[Sticks]

There is no evidence that a Patriot missile ever shot down a Scud missile over Israel in the first Gulf War. They are a colossal waste of Money.

Biden would do better to have Zelensky arrested and detained and then negotiate the surrender of Ukraine to Putin, as the Ukraine was, and always shell be part of Mother Russia.

Then maybe we could solve this cost of living crisis affecting more people than the population of Ukraine.

[arista]

[Zelenskyy gives Biden a medal at the White House
as US gives extra $1.85bn to Ukraine,
including Patriot missile system]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-history-suggests-ukraine-planning-something-putin-heading-to-belarus-as-russian-troops-there-to-begin-exercises-12541713

[UserSince2005]

King Zelen in america, love him

[Kate!]

There is no evidence that a Patriot missile ever shot down a Scud missile over Israel in the first Gulf War. They are a colossal waste of Money.

Biden would do better to have Zelensky arrested and detained and then negotiate the surrender of Ukraine to Putin, as the Ukraine was, and always shell be part of Mother Russia.

Then maybe we could solve this cost of living crisis affecting more people than the population of Ukraine.

On what grounds would he have Zelensky arrested? He's not done anything?

[UserSince2005]

On what grounds would he have Zelensky arrested? He's not done anything?

Hes a sex bomb, a menace to society, he needs to be arrest and brought to me immediately. In handcuffs.

[Kate!]

Hes a sex bomb, a menace to society, he needs to be arrest and brought to me immediately. In handcuffs.

I saw him first :fist:

[UserSince2005]

I saw him first :fist:

We can take turns interrogating him for the truth.
You can play good cop and I'l play bad cop :devil:

[Kate!]

We can take turns interrogating him for the truth.
You can play good cop and I'l play bad cop :devil:

I like your way of thinking. I want to snog him for Christmas

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a36f37d2-64fe-441d-8a4e-e8f161f0c245.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c66f9ce7-7eab-4e94-8604-516f8e51eb64.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e7a5f01d-16fb-4823-8f34-9d58a441664d.png

[Mystic Mock]

Hes a sex bomb, a menace to society, he needs to be arrest and brought to me immediately. In handcuffs.

:joker:

[Sticks]

Apart from failure to wear a shirt and tie, I am sure Russia could put in an extradition request of this war criminal?

[arista]

Yes not wearing a shirt and tie
was wrong.

He has done it before.


At least talking them all, he spoke in English

[Sticks]

Yes not wearing a shirt and tie
was wrong.

He has done it before.

So a repeat offender, definitely must have got his three strikes by now. :nono:

LOCK HIM UP!!!!

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/12/22/07/65842241-0-image-m-1_1671693042204.jpg

[Operation Free Zelensky: How secret mission to
get Ukrainian president across
the Atlantic was carried out
with NATO spy aircraft and fighters... as he tells
US lawmakers 'your money is not charity,
it's an investment in democracy']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11564465/Operation-Zelensky-America-secret-mission-brought-Ukrainian-President-US.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/12/22/01/65836557-11564465-image-m-31_1671673648281.jpg

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/12/23/netherlands-earmark-eu25-billion-support-ukraine-2023

Netherlands will give 2.5 billion euros of support to Ukraine in 2023


The Cabinet will reserve 2.5 billion euros in support for Ukraine next year. Prime Minister Mark Rutte made the announcement on Friday after a telephone call with Ukraine President Volodimir Zelenskyy. It is not yet known exactly what the money will be spent on, which will be determined by the needs of the government in Kyiv.

"The government expects that this amount will be necessary to provide military aid, support essential repair and reconstruction activities and contribute financially to efforts to combat impunity," the Cabinet said in a statement on Friday. "The Dutch government’s decision to earmark funding nowsends a clear message of undiminished solidarity with the people of Ukraine, who can count on predictable Dutch support for as long as it takes."

The Netherlands has supported Ukraine since the start of the war, in diplomatic, humanitarian and military terms. Almost a billion euros in military aid has been sent this year. This included armored howitzers, anti-aircraft missiles, munitions and radar equipment. In the beginning a large amount came from the existing supply of the Dutch military, but now the Netherlands is also buying weapons and other equipment for Ukraine directly from manufacturers.

Dutch soldiers are also training the Ukrainian armed forces. This is happening, for example, in the United Kingdom. Military equipment belonging to the Ukrainians is also being maintained by the Netherlands. Much of this is carried out in collaboration with other European countries.

To help the country through the winter, the Cabinet previously announced that it would allocate 180 million euros. The money is intended refurbishing the power network, and other needs. The electricity grid has been constantly under fire from the Russians.

Ukraine has been fighting the Russian army for more than ten months. Russia invaded its neighboring country on February 24. After initial successes, the Russians soon had to pull back. First the Russians retreated around Kyiv, and later they were expelled from parts of eastern and southern Ukraine.​

.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-202e1195-1829-420b-80dd-442c6a5ad13b.png

[Mystic Mock]

Yes not wearing a shirt and tie
was wrong.

He has done it before.


At least talking them all, he spoke in English

Not wearing a shirt and tie isn't that big of an issue.

Fgs the tie is a nuisance to society.:fist:

[arista]

[Putin 'ready for peace talks': Russian leader tells
state TV he is 'prepared to negotiate' an
end Ukraine war - as one of his ex-commanders
slams 'stupid stubbornness' of Kremlin's war strategy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11573163/Russian-leader-tells-state-TV-prepared-negotiate-end-Ukraine-war.html

[arista]

Not wearing a shirt and tie isn't that big of an issue.

Fgs the tie is a nuisance to society.:fist:



Of course
Getting those USA Deadly Patriot Missiles
matters the most

[Nicky91]

[Putin 'ready for peace talks': Russian leader tells
state TV he is 'prepared to negotiate' an
end Ukraine war - as one of his ex-commanders
slams 'stupid stubbornness' of Kremlin's war strategy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11573163/Russian-leader-tells-state-TV-prepared-negotiate-end-Ukraine-war.html

and we're supposed to believe this, this war won't end for another 10 or 15 years


daily fail reporting the fake news yet again :idc:

[arista]

Close to the Border

[Ukraine war: Ukraine Drone attack
on Russian bomber
base leaves three dead

[A Ukrainian drone attack on Engels bomber base
in south Russia has left three people dead, Moscow says.
Air defences reportedly shot down the drone but
falling debris caused the casualties in the overnight attack.
Earlier this month Russia accused Ukraine of a
similar attack on the airfield, home to strategic bombers
that have taken part in missile attacks on Ukraine.

The base lies about 500km (310 miles) north-east
of Ukraine's border.

The Ukrainian military has not officially commented
on the attacks but BBC Russia Editor Steve Rosenberg
says the latest incident will come as an
embarrassment to Russian authorities.

Russia's defence ministry says its air defences
shot down the Ukrainian drone flying
at low altitude at about 01:35 on
Monday (22:35 GMT Sunday).]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64092183


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-belarus-taking-on-significant-but-discreet-role-for-russia-standing-ovation-as-president-zelenskyy-addresses-us-congress-12541713

[arista]

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[bots]

Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov has been found dead at an Indian hotel, two days after a friend died during the same trip.

They were visiting the eastern state of Odisha and the millionaire, who was also a local politician, had just celebrated his birthday at the hotel.

Antov was a well known figure in the city of Vladimir, east of Moscow.

Last summer he denied criticising Russia's war in Ukraine after a message appeared on his WhatsApp account.

The millionaire's death is the latest in a series of unexplained deaths involving Russian tycoons since the start of the Russian invasion, many of whom have openly criticised the war.

Reports in Russian media said Mr Antov, 65, had fallen from a window at the hotel in the city of Rayagada on Sunday. Another member of his four-strong Russian group, Vladimir Budanov, died at the hotel on Friday.

Superintendent Vivekananda Sharma of Odisha police said Mr Budanov was found to have suffered a stroke while his friend "was depressed after his death and he too died". The Russian consul in Kolkata, Alexei Idamkin, told the Tass news agency that police did not see a "criminal element in these tragic events".

Tourist guide Jitendra Singh told reporters that Mr Budanov may have "consumed a lot of alcohol as he had liquor bottles".

Pavel Antov founded the Vladimir Standard meat processing plant and in 2019 Forbes estimated his fortune at some $140m (£118m) at the top of Russia's rich list of lawmakers and civil servants.

He played an important role at the legislative assembly in Vladimir, heading a committee on agrarian policy and ecology. The assembly's deputy chairman Vyacheslav Kartukhin said he had died in "tragic circumstances".

Late last June he appeared to react to a Russian missile attack on a residential block in the Shevchenkivskyi district of Kyiv that left a man dead and his seven-year-old daughter and her mother wounded.

A WhatsApp message on Antov's account described how the family were pulled out of the rubble: "It's extremely difficult to call all this anything but terror."

The message was deleted and Antov then posted on social media that he was a supporter of the president, a "patriot of my country" and backed the war.

The WhatsApp message had come from someone whose opinion on the "special military operation in Ukraine" he strongly disagreed with, he insisted. It had been posted accidentally on his messenger and was a highly annoying misunderstanding, he said.

Several high-profile Russian tycoons have died in mysterious circumstances since the war began.

In September the head of Russia's oil giant Lukoil, Ravil Maganov, apparently fell from a hospital window in Moscow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64101437

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There have been a lot of top business men falling out of windows etc

[thesheriff443]

It’s happening in this country as well .

[arista]

[Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov]

Yes fell out of a window in India ,
Or was it,
he was Pushed?

[arista]

It’s happening in this country as well .


Yes you need to have some Fit Fellas
watching your back.

[thesheriff443]

Yes you need to have some Fit Fellas
watching your back.

Or don’t make putin an enemy

[thesheriff443]

I know of two , in this country one drowned in the bath and another hung himself

[arista]

Or don’t make putin an enemy


It is too late for that.
So I say employ a team to protect you 24/7
these are Rich Russians


Evil Putin, himself, is using doubles
so no one can be sure they Kill him.

Best way to kill Putin
is a bomb near him

[Alf]

More peaceful times

What's inside the ball?


HOxtN1Uwfq4

[arista]

Alf, those days a long gone.
Will not return.

[Alf]

Alf, those days a long gone.
Will not return.Just like Covid?

[arista]

Just like Covid?


No Alf
Covid is going crazy in China
Many nations are now blocking China Visitors. (Again)

Not the UK?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1607898511785299968/uG4V1Qyz?format=jpg&name=small

Civilians flee Kherson as Russian Missile attacks intensify

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64102826

[arista]

Russia would have spent
£200 Million pounds today
on the Amount of their Missiles

Around 70 Missiles
fired at Ukraine,
They managed to stop around 54 Missiles.

So some missiles hit the Ukraine Electric Plants.

Russia uses their TV news
to show the misery in Ukraine


Ch4HDnews Report.

[Sticks]

And if Zelensky had surrendered at the beginning to his master Putin and allowed his Russian masters to take control of the Russian local government in the Russian province of Ukraine, this would not have happened.

Ukraine needs to hand Zelensky and his Nazi pals over for trial for High Treason against Russia. Ukraine is part of Mother Russia.

Anyone disagreeing runs the risk of being Novochucked!!! :shocked:

[arista]

And if Zelensky had surrendered at the beginning to his master Putin and allowed his Russian masters to take control of the Russian local government in the Russian province of Ukraine, this would not have happened.

Ukraine needs to hand Zelensky and his Nazi pals over for trial for High Treason against Russia. Ukraine is part of Mother Russia.

Anyone disagreeing runs the risk of being Novochucked!!! :shocked:


Look, we are not going back in time
also, you say "his"
are you crazy?
that's what Pathetic Putin says


Ukraine was part of Mother Russia
it is not now

[arista]

Kyiv Hit by Missiles from Russia

A lady was killed.

A street was Hit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64135079


[The head of Ukraine's armed forces,
Valerii Zaluzhny, said air defences had shot
down 12 of 20 Russian cruise missiles.]

[arista]

Russia claims
[89 Russian people were killed
in the Ukrainian attack on Makiivka at around
midnight on New Year's Eve.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64155859


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1d9166e2-59f5-4f96-9465-b7c59b805942.png

[Nicky91]

have Ukraine ended the war already, oh wait no they don't want to, lazy attention seeking idiots :idc:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-675d5621-4065-46df-829e-f8e219e6cffb.png

[arista]

Russia has taken back Soledar zone
which has salt mines.

They used their Evil Wagner Group of Mercenaries
to remove the Ukraine forces.

All Media

Ref: SkyNewsHD /WION HD/ CNN HD/BBCnewsHD

[Livia]

I think there's some doubt about this claim now, arista.

Russia wouldn't lie to us, would they...?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/908F/production/_128270073_times-nc.png.webp

Evil Putin and his new Army Leader

[arista]

I think there's some doubt about this claim now, arista.

Russia wouldn't lie to us, would they...?


Yes they Lie Alot

Let's see what the truth is this morning, in daylight
as all media say now
Fighting is still going on.

[arista]

Soledar zone

Ukraine now admits they only have part of it.

Russians are holding most of the zone
Local people interviewed on CNN HD
are now moving out
to stay alive

One Ukraine Army Sub Leader (Rare interview)
said he needs more Guns
and more ammunition

[Nicky91]

I think there's some doubt about this claim now, arista.

Russia wouldn't lie to us, would they...?

more stereotypical racism towards Russia :bored:

[bots]

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has confirmed the UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine during a call with President Volodymyr Zelensky, No 10 says.

[Sticks]

We should have been telling him to surrender to his master and leader, Putin as Ukraine is part of Mother Russia. We should not be sending any armaments as that will upset a major adversary who has shown his ability to hit back with chemical weapons. Britain will be seen as a co-combatant and a legitimate military target.

If anything, this is not World War 3, but World War 2 as Putin is taking on the remaining Nazis in the Ukrainian government in this special military operation.

[i]Anyone disagreeing runs the risk of being Novochucked /i] :nono:

[arista]

Sticks

The Days of Mother Russia.
Have gone.

It like saying
Hitler is back


Crazy Talk.

[Sticks]

Sticks

The Days of Mother Russia.
Have gone.


Do you really want to run the risk of being Novochucked? Putin will do it, don't think he won't :shocked:

[arista]

Do you really want to run the risk of being Novochucked? Putin will do it, don't think he won't :shocked:


No one wants Chemical Weapons
We do not want to start WW3



Getting Dragged into it.........................

[arista]

Over 20 Ukrainians
were killed in an Apartment Block in Dnipro
from a Russia Missile.

Ukraine is not able to stop all in coming missiles


All Media.

[Sticks]

Time to bow to the inevitable and surrender to Putin as Ukraine is part of Mother Russia?

[arista]

Time to bow to the inevitable and surrender to Putin as Ukraine is part of Mother Russia?


Mother Russia is Dead



Long Ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personification_of_Russia


Sticks you are not stupid.

[arista]

Over 20 Ukrainians
were killed in an Apartment Block in Dnipro
from a Russia Missile.

Ukraine is not able to stop all in coming missiles


All Media.


A sad Update another 40 people missing
in that Evil Russian Missile attack in Dnipro


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BCAC/production/_128300384_75bea032e6179ece35beb89c5f2f7d80b3c4613 d0_352_5184_29161000x563.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-99ace1b4-2d5e-4e38-a844-a805b579b020.png

[arista]

A Ukrainian minister
and his Deputy have died
as there, Helicopter crashed.

Misty day and the fly low
to avoid being hit.


[Social media showed a burning building
in the city of Brovary, Officials said a helicopter
came down on a kindergarten causing casualties]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11647849/Helicopter-crashes-Ukrainian-kindergarten-Search-casualties-underway.html

https://news.sky.com/story/ukrainian-minister-among-16-dead-near-kyiv-helicopter-crash-12789239

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/18/07/66693681-11647849-image-a-1_1674027845791.jpg

[MTVN]

Awful for everyone but especially those poor kids

An accident or something more sinister?

[bots]

helicopters are just very dangerous. I know because i used to fly in them regularly, it was not a pleasant experience

[Zizu]

I’d never go in ANYTHING that gave just ONE chance of survival ( one propeller/ engine)

The huge passenger planes have four engines / propellers and can fly / land safely with just ONE of them working


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Nicky91]

they should've postponed that flight i think, due to bad weather, this was a tragic accident i feel

[Sticks]

Or was it?

Putin's reach is long

[arista]

Germany has said No to Tanks for Ukraine

Or more the buggers are saying not decided yet.

[arista]

UK is sending 600 Brimstone Missiles
to help Ukraine


[Britain will export a further 600 Brimstone
radar-guided missiles to Ukraine,
British Defense Minister Ben Wallace confirmed
yesterday.]

[arista]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/MR-HELLFIRE-GRAPHIC-V2-copy.jpg?w=1240


Run you Horrible Russian Troops

[Sticks]

Germany has said No to Tanks for Ukraine

Or more the buggers are saying not decided yet.

We should not have been giving anything to Ukraine/Russia apart from advice to recognise that the leader of Ukraine is Putin, not some failed comedian. Zelensky should have been ordered to take up the American offer to go into exile and allow the people of Ukraine to accept that their so called country IS part of Russia.

Remember as you freeze in your house because you cannot afford to heat it, and wonder where your next meal is coming from, because of the Cost of living Crisis, it is all because Zelensky prolonged this conflict, because he refused to allow the people of the Ukraine to surrender to Putin, their true leader.

[Alf]

We should not have been giving anything to Ukraine/Russia apart from advice to recognise that the leader of Ukraine is Putin, not some failed comedian. Zelensky should have been ordered to take up the American offer to go into exile and allow the people of Ukraine to accept that their so called country IS part of Russia.

Remember as you freeze in your house because you cannot afford to heat it, and wonder where your next meal is coming from, because of the Cost of living Crisis, it is all because Zelensky prolonged this conflict, because he refused to allow the people of the Ukraine to surrender to Putin, their true leader.We have a rogue robot.

I think you're supposed to stick with the mainstream Western narrative. You should be pushing for Zelenskyy for the Nobel peace prize, to follow in war monger Obama's shoes.

[arista]

Zelensky "No Alternative" he must have Tanks to win.


Germany wants USA to send their tanks first.

It's a mess

[Livia]

We should not have been giving anything to Ukraine/Russia apart from advice to recognise that the leader of Ukraine is Putin, not some failed comedian. Zelensky should have been ordered to take up the American offer to go into exile and allow the people of Ukraine to accept that their so called country IS part of Russia.

Remember as you freeze in your house because you cannot afford to heat it, and wonder where your next meal is coming from, because of the Cost of living Crisis, it is all because Zelensky prolonged this conflict, because he refused to allow the people of the Ukraine to surrender to Putin, their true leader.

There were people like you around in WW2. Mind you, a lot of them weren't around at the end of the war..... and those that were were mostly in prison.

[bots]

look at the miles of destroyed russian tanks in the first months of the war. They are not the answer. Yes, they provide an additional dimension, but they won't change the overall outcome of a war

[Livia]

I can't think of many things more terrifying than sitting in a tank in a war zone.

[Nicky91]

Tanks are unnecessary in defensive actions, i agree with Germany not giving the green lights for those


weapons are a priority, same as anti-aircraft defenses



Ukraine cannot attack Russia, and with tanks they might want to attack so we have to deny them those opportunities

[arista]

Tanks are unnecessary in defensive actions, i agree with Germany not giving the green lights for those


weapons are a priority, same as anti-aircraft defenses



Ukraine cannot attack Russia, and with tanks they might want to attack so we have to deny them those opportunities



Zelensky
says he will lose then.

Russian Fighters are in his nation
that why he wants tanks.

[Sticks]

His Nation?

It's Putin's nation as historically Ukraine was and still is part of Russia

[Sticks]

Remember

Putin is former KGB and knows all the tricks, so nobody will assassinate him

Putin has a long reach with his Novochock, that reached as far as Salisbury.

He does not even have to use Novochock, he has in the past used radioactive Polonium with impunity.

Putin has excellent hackers, who could get onto this forum, no sweat

So be careful what you type, if you don't want to be novochocked or drink radio active Polonium as well.

We are so warned by his successful black ops carried out by Russian agents on British soil, alone.

[arista]

His Nation?

It's Putin's nation as historically Ukraine was and still is part of Russia


No, Russia gave it independence.


Stop Living In the Past

[Ukraine gained independence in 1991
as the Soviet Union dissolved, and declared
itself neutral.[14] A new constitution was
adopted in 1996.]

[AnnieK]

Remember

Putin is former KGB and knows all the tricks, so nobody will assassinate him

Putin has a long reach with his Novochock, that reached as far as Salisbury.

He does not even have to use Novochock, he has in the past used radioactive Polonium with impunity.

Putin has excellent hackers, who could get onto this forum, no sweat

So be careful what you type, if you don't want to be novochocked or drink radio active Polonium as well.

We are so warned by his successful black ops carried out by Russian agents on British soil, alone.

Lol Putin is nearly dead.....is in the middle of a war he is losing and you think he'll be arsed about getting his hackers to hack a site with about 20 active users and then sending biological warfare out way???

You do make me laugh

[Alf]

Remember

Putin is former KGB and knows all the tricks, so nobody will assassinate him

Putin has a long reach with his Novochock, that reached as far as Salisbury.

He does not even have to use Novochock, he has in the past used radioactive Polonium with impunity.

Putin has excellent hackers, who could get onto this forum, no sweat

So be careful what you type, if you don't want to be novochocked or drink radio active Polonium as well.

We are so warned by his successful black ops carried out by Russian agents on British soil, alone.I think old Vlad will be a fan of mine and send me best vodka.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-78505007-6a2f-480b-9adf-04ccd9f4fc31.jpeg

[Mystic Mock]

Lol Putin is nearly dead.....is in the middle of a war he is losing and you think he'll be arsed about getting his hackers to hack a site with about 20 active users and then sending biological warfare out way???

You do make me laugh

I did hear Het outside my door today.:worry:

[bots]

Boris was in ukraine today, wtf is all that about, he is not in the process now

[arista]

boris was in ukraine today, wtf is all that about, he is not in the process now

1617186895208792065

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d0358609-1cfd-409b-bd4e-337728fc29d2.jpeg

[arista]

Germany will now send 100 Tanks

https://www.businessinsider.com/100-leopard-tanks-waiting-germany-permission-ukraine-scholz-2023-1?r=US&IR=T

[UserSince2005]

Germany will now send 100 Tanks

https://www.businessinsider.com/100-leopard-tanks-waiting-germany-permission-ukraine-scholz-2023-1?r=US&IR=T

roll them all the way to gates of moscow. down with the putain.

[UserSince2005]

1617186895208792065

good to see the De Facto PM still working hard, hes ready for his wins at the next election

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnMMaodXEAEGyaW?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-eb2985d0-f355-4697-986c-4a3123afcb10.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1fd04f7d-99e6-4d3b-8db3-9679ffaf0d31.png

[arista]

Russian Embassy in Germany
has warned them it is a Dangerous move.


Ref: Germany Tanks going to Ukraine to Kill
Russians and Wagner Group Killers

[The Slim Reaper]

Have to give Putin a way out of this by saving face somehow, otherwise we're heading for a nuclear winter.

[arista]

Have to give Putin a way out of this by saving face somehow, otherwise we're heading for a nuclear winter.


No Slim

Mini Nuke.


So will stay in the EU

[bots]

Have to give Putin a way out of this by saving face somehow, otherwise we're heading for a nuclear winter.

i think we have been heading that way for a while. The west continues to say that we are not at war with russia, which is demonstrably false and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the west say, it's putin thats ready to fire nukes and therefore its his choice under what conditions he unleashes them

[The Slim Reaper]

No Slim

Mini Nuke.


So will stay in the EU

Arista has found a brexit benefit at last :laugh:

i think we have been heading that way for a while. The west continues to say that we are not at war with russia, which is demonstrably false and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the west say, it's putin thats ready to fire nukes and therefore its his choice under what conditions he unleashes them

I agree, If this doesn't end peacefully, it ends very, very, badly. Putin is on his last legs, and appears to be racked with degenerative health conditions that will lower his desire to make sure humanity survives.

[arista]

But Putin
also knows it can start WW3

And Russia would lose.

[bots]

But Putin
also knows it can start WW3

And Russia would lose.

no, the world would lose, it's long past anyone being a winner by that point, and we are a lot closer to it happening than the west would have us believe

[arista]

Zelensky has Fired/Jailed Officials
in his Government.
One was taking Money from the Cash Aid sent in
went into his bank account.

Gravitas Part 1, WION HD

[arista]

no, the world would lose, it's long past anyone being a winner by that point, and we are a lot closer to it happening than the west would have us believe


But Russia is the Invader
they will lose in WW3

[The Slim Reaper]

But Putin
also knows it can start WW3

And Russia would lose.

Everyone would lose, not just russia, not just the west. At least you might finally have a purpose for that bunker of yours :smug: Just need a few thousand years of clean air and food/water supplies and you'll be golden.

[arista]

Everyone would lose, not just russia, not just the west. At least you might finally have a purpose for that bunker of yours :smug: Just need a few thousand years of clean air and food/water supplies and you'll be golden.


I will be OK in my Bunker

[arista]

The Doomsday Clock
is tonight


the 1947 Clock


They keep adjusting it.

[The Slim Reaper]

I will be OK in my Bunker

Killing prozzas on GTA whilst the world burns would be absolute peak Arista.

[arista]

Killing prozzas on GTA whilst the world burns would be absolute peak Arista.



Yes GTA5 on PS5


A New Weapon a AXE

The Cops do not like me

[bots]

no need to worry though, the tory government will still be in power raising taxes and looking after our wellbeing :laugh:

[arista]

Yes Tax to be done 31st

[arista]

USA sending 31 Tanks

[Zizu]

Look I’ve not been following this closely at all …

Why after 12 months bombing , thousands murdered and 90% of the country decimated (including all or most of their nuclear power stations ) is everyone NOW seemingly sending battalions of tanks and other weaponry ??

Why didn’t they send them 12 months ago ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Sticks]

They should not have been sending any armaments at all.

In the past whenever there was a conflict somewhere and people pleaded with the government to send arms to the side, seen to be on the side of the angels, then the cry was that the last thing you needed in a war zone was more weapons.

We should never have given them as much as one bullet.

Zelensky was offered sanctuary in the US, and he should have taken it whilst Ukraine was allowed to surrender as it is still part of Mother Russia, in spite of what allegedly happened in the 1990's. Then for us there would not be a fuel crisis and a cost of living crisis and threats of rolling power cuts that are currently being planned for the UK.

Zelensky has been too much interested in being seen as a hero and look at the resulting number of deaths.

We should not be aggravating the situation with Putin any more

[bots]

Look I’ve not been following this closely at all …

Why after 12 months bombing , thousands murdered and 90% of the country decimated (including all or most of their nuclear power stations ) is everyone NOW seemingly sending battalions of tanks and other weaponry ??

Why didn’t they send them 12 months ago ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

its a different phase of the war, ukraine wants to push Russia out now

[The Slim Reaper]

Look away, zizu.

1497139951552671744

[arista]

Zelensky has Fired/Jailed Officials
in his Government.
One was taking Money from the Cash Aid sent in
went into his bank account.

Gravitas Part 1, WION HD


This was terrible
he own staff milking the money.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10CAD/production/_128418786_mirrorfront26-nc.png.webp

[Alf]

1618373528998514709

[arista]

Alf
Old Biden gave a Video update yesterday
he says the tanks are to defend

It would be better if you stay up to date
not some bitter twitter poster
digging up old video

[arista]

The sad truth is all these
Tanks will not be there until March,
plus they take time 4 weeks or so to train them.

Russia Knows all this/

More Missiles and Iran Drones are going to hit from today.

[Sticks]

And Russian war ships will be on the hunt for ships carrying these tanks across the seas to sink them as legitimate targets in the defence of Mother Russia.

[arista]

And Russian war ships will be on the hunt for ships carrying these tanks across the seas to sink them as legitimate targets in the defence of Mother Russia.



Sticks do you think
Russia would Sink a German or UK Ship?



That could start WW3

[bots]

the tanks will be flown in fgs .... and most of them are already on mainland europe :laugh:

[arista]

the tanks will be flown in fgs .... and most of them are already on mainland europe :laugh:


That sorts Sticks out

[Nicky91]

No to Tanks, end of

Ukraine cannot attack Russia



keep standing your ground Germany against those war-loving bigots from UK, USA

[Nicky91]

2omxrSORGcg

russian anthem


be proud of the best world leader of all time, Vladimir Putin, icon for exposing nazi traits in the west

[Sticks]

That sorts Sticks out

Ok, then Russia will blow them out of the sky in self defence, under Article 21 of the UN Charter.

Ukraine should have been told to surrender to Mother Russia, of which it is still part, irrespective of what happened in the 1990's

[bots]

Ok, then Russia will blow them out of the sky in self defence, under Article 21 of the UN Charter.

Ukraine should have been told to surrender to Mother Russia, of which it is still part, irrespective of what happened in the 1990's

you are talking nonsense. We already have tanks all across eastern europe

I know you did the same thing on brexit, you get some amusement from taking the views you do, but we all know what you're doing

[Oliver_W]

Am I missing something? Or is it monumentally stupid for it to be made widely known exactly who is providing what weapons, when they'll arrive, and via what route?

Does everyone think Putin is going to sit there with his thumb up his smirnoff until Ukraine gets all these armaments?

[Mystic Mock]

2omxrSORGcg

russian anthem


be proud of the best world leader of all time, Vladimir Putin, icon for exposing nazi traits in the west

Putin is the Nazi.

[Alf]

Sticks do you think
Russia would Sink a German or UK Ship?



That could start WW3I think they want to start World War III. It looks pretty deliberate to me.

Would have never happened under the people's President, President Trump.

[Nicky91]

Putin is the Nazi.

you're wrong, but not your fault, kyiv government their brainwashing is to blame


they wanted tanks, germany first said no, but if you throw your tantrum long enough, you have to submit to the new reich



now they want fighter jets, so they will obviously get them to, no matter what we want




i'm pro-russia, never ever supported ukraine, i'm not an evil person, just my own views, and i always thought there was freedom of speech, but Ukraine is denying that to Donetsk, Lugansk, banning people there to be pro-russian


it is almost like turning muslims to christianity, denying them their rights of their religion



**** You Zelensky



Russians ain't nazi's, they fight naziism, and Ukraine are deffo showing some seriously vile nazi traits, their views being law, i understand and sympathize with the people in Donetsk, Lugansk against the corruption within their national government



and it feels like me being silenced



also the west made things worse for themselves by the bans of Russia from UEFA/FIFA, EBU, NATO all the sanctions from them onto the russians



that wasn't an invasion at first, russian soldiers went into ukraine yes, but more to provide support to donetsk, lugansk, how many times do i have to repeat myself

the mass graves well, all of the victims are anti-russians since the pro-russian ukrainians aren't being harmed by russian troops


this is NOT a war, Putin does NOT want a world war, just a special operation to exterminate the nazi roots from the country


if only the west had just remained silent, looked away we also wouldn't have been in this gas/energy crisis but that is we west love to do, interfere in conflicts which doesn't concern us :rolleyes:



Finland, Sweden do not have to join NATO, the former especially when a group of their population also speaks russian language for example, same in baltic country Estonia, where they also speak russian language, among the languages they learn at schools


and also if Putin is ill, maybe just not ill enough for him to step down, but if he was truly gravely ill, he would step down you know, but he always has been a true fighter and always a 110% passion for politics


no offense to others their views of course, but these are my thoughts

[Nicky91]

my apologies for my long post, i have been feeling very stressed entire last year until now regarding this matter

feels just good to get this off my shoulders now

[bots]

Nicky you have flip flopped on this issue one hour to the next. Get a grip

[arista]

(now they want fighter jets, so they will obviously get
them to, no matter what we want)


Yes Nicky
But Fighter jets go
are taking it to WW3

[bots]

Arista, the west is already at war with russia, we just don't have troops in the arena yet, doesn't mean we are not at war

[Nicky91]

Arista, the west is already at war with russia, we just don't have troops in the arena yet, doesn't mean we are not at war

the west their own fault, should've just not interfered :idc:

[Quantum Boy]

Arista, the west is already at war with russia, we just don't have troops in the arena yet, doesn't mean we are not at war

The West is engaging in a proxy war of attrition by endlessly supplying Ukraine with equipment while Russia slowly but surely depletes their own. It's a war of sorts but it's a far cry from an actual war, and we should all hope it doesn't become an actual war.

A war between the US and Russia at this point is unquestionably not ANY sort of conventional war... Ukraine has been holding Russia's best efforts at bay with equipment from the US that's basically their toys and trinkets. Literally their piddly little playthings. The actual firepower and tech (non-nuclear) that the US has onboard its ships and aircraft carriers is insane. Just to put one small part into perspective - the USAF has something like 120 active 5th-generation fighter jets in service... Russia has 25 total, only 5 active. And 4th gen and below aircraft are functionally ineffective against 5th gen aircraft. They simply can't even see them. And that's just one aspect.

Basically it wouldn't be a war it would be a bulldozer - and that leaves Russia with only two viable options in that scenario... pretty much immediate cease-fire and talks, or hit the big red button.

There's a reason the US is fighting via Ukraine.

[Nicky91]

Ukraine are always being defended, they can do no wrong, they're perfect


one more thing little adolf Zelensky did ''not allowing djokovic his family to attend his matches at australian open''

:yuk:

[Quantum Boy]

Ukraine & Russia are basically the same culturally, to declare Ukranians "good" and Russians "evil" is just nonsense really... half of them have the same grandparents.

ALL of this is politics, not differing ideologies between the actual populations. It actually makes it an incredibly sad war, IMO. Most Ukrainians and Russians will have had friends and family on both sides of the border.

[Quantum Boy]

I'd point out also that this is a "war for resources" but that's not really any sort of a point to make. All wars are wars for resources. Maybe a small handful throughout history have been purely ideological, but even those for the most part, is just surface ideology being used as an excuse for a land/resource grab.

[bots]

The West is engaging in a proxy war of attrition by endlessly supplying Ukraine with equipment while Russia slowly but surely depletes their own. It's a war of sorts but it's a far cry from an actual war, and we should all hope it doesn't become an actual war.

A war between the US and Russia at this point is unquestionably not ANY sort of conventional war... Ukraine has been holding Russia's best efforts at bay with equipment from the US that's basically their toys and trinkets. Literally their piddly little playthings. The actual firepower and tech (non-nuclear) that the US has onboard its ships and aircraft carriers is insane. Just to put one small part into perspective - the USAF has something like 120 active 5th-generation fighter jets in service... Russia has 25 total, only 5 active. And 4th gen and below aircraft are functionally ineffective against 5th gen aircraft. They simply can't even see them. And that's just one aspect.

Basically it wouldn't be a war it would be a bulldozer - and that leaves Russia with only two viable options in that scenario... pretty much immediate cease-fire and talks, or hit the big red button.

There's a reason the US is fighting via Ukraine.

a lot of this is very true. The american (and british) tech is on a different level. We have had 30-40 years involved in minor conflicts to perfect the weaponry whereas russia has gone down the North Korea route where they go for bigger and faster and longer, never perfecting anything

[Quantum Boy]

a lot of this is very true. The american (and british) tech is on a different level. We have had 30-40 years involved in minor conflicts to perfect the weaponry whereas russia has gone down the North Korea route where they go for bigger and faster and longer, never perfecting anything

Plus the money involved is... well it's just crazy. Russia has a similar military spending to the UK on its own and the US spending is more than 10x that. The UK of course benefits from the US openly sharing tech and often equipment with Western allies. And then when you consider the compounding effect of that over several decades, the US is basically tens-of-trillions (with a T!) of dollars ahead of any other country in terms of military development. Really quite scary stuff.

[Oliver_W]

Do we have reason to assume that should Russia ("re")take Ukraine, they'd go on to other countries? As ToyBoy said, Ukraine is more culturally similar to Russia than Western European countries or America, it's not like they're one of out allies.

Lots of "faith-based" countries are constantly at war with each other and themselves, and the West doesn't get involved with all of them, what makes Ukraine different? Is it simply the relative proximity?

[bots]

Do we have reason to assume that should Russia ("re")take Ukraine, they'd go on to other countries? As ToyBoy said, Ukraine is more culturally similar to Russia than Western European countries or America, it's not like they're one of out allies.

Lots of "faith-based" countries are constantly at war with each other and themselves, and the West doesn't get involved with all of them, what makes Ukraine different? Is it simply the relative proximity?

strategic position and resources. Russia will never take ukraine, but they could flatten it, just to prove a point

[MTVN]

Russia wouldn't touch any of their former territories that are now in NATO. Moldova would be at biggest risk as they're not in NATO and Russia basically control part of their territory anyway (Transnistria). That's not on the cards right now though given their struggles in Ukraine

[Livia]

the west their own fault, should've just not interfered :idc:

The Allies shouldn't have liberated the Netherlands in 1944. Shouldn't have interfered and just left you all to it, maybe?

[Livia]

The West is engaging in a proxy war of attrition by endlessly supplying Ukraine with equipment while Russia slowly but surely depletes their own. It's a war of sorts but it's a far cry from an actual war, and we should all hope it doesn't become an actual war.


etc....



That'll be a relief for the people of Ukraine. It's isn't actually war you're going through.

[Oliver_W]

That'll be a relief for the people of Ukraine. It's isn't actually war you're going through.

I don't think ToyBoy was meaning to minimise anything.

[Livia]

I don't think ToyBoy was meaning to minimise anything.

Good. Or I'm dragging him into the car park for a shoeing.

[bots]

Good. Or I'm dragging him into the car park for a shoeing.

the context came from my statement that the west were already at war with russia, so thats where it came from, it wasn't referring to the people of ukraine

[Oliver_W]

Good. Or I'm dragging him into the car park for a shoeing.

It had better be a Proxy Shoeing :nono:

[Livia]

the context came from my statement that the west were already at war with russia, so thats where it came from, it wasn't referring to the people of ukraine

Yeah, I see... but claiming that the Ukraine isn't at war with Russia, well... I don't agree.

And anyway, Soldier Boy could do with a good shoeing from time to time.

[Livia]

It had better be a Proxy Shoeing :nono:

I would be happy for you to handle it on my behalf.

[Nicky91]

The Allies shouldn't have liberated the Netherlands in 1944. Shouldn't have interfered and just left you all to it, maybe?

this is completely different to WW2 though


be more grateful towards Russia, they pretty much saved our arses from nazi germany whereas the ''allied forces'' kinda struggled crossing the german border, they were already in berlin

[arista]

this is completely different to WW2 though


be more grateful towards Russia, they pretty much saved our arses from nazi germany whereas the ''allied forces'' kinda struggled crossing the german border, they were already in berlin


No,
Russia was the other side of Europe
it was Americans that saved your nation.

[Livia]

this is completely different to WW2 though


be more grateful towards Russia, they pretty much saved our arses from nazi germany whereas the ''allied forces'' kinda struggled crossing the german border, they were already in berlin

Let's not forget the secret pact between USSR and the Nazis at the start of the war and the fact that Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

[Quantum Boy]

Yeah, I see... but claiming that the Ukraine isn't at war with Russia, well... I don't agree.

BOTS is right I'm not claiming that Ukraine isn't at war, Ukraine and Russia are obviously at war, just that Western nations are currently "just" supporting Ukraine in that war rather than being at war actively. Or, at least, there's deniability in political terms. I personally think it's all pretty murky because does it really make a difference that it's Ukrainian fingers pulling the triggers if all of the guns and ammo are European/American... but I suppose it's a well established political "game" and fighting wars this way is definitely nothing new.

And anyway, Soldier Boy could do with a good shoeing from time to time.

:oh:

Probably.

[Nicky91]

oh Germany didn't want to send tanks but they were forced to send tanks by the vile UK and USA

[Quantum Boy]

Let's not forget the secret pact between USSR and the Nazis at the start of the war and the fact that Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

Stalin if anything trusted Hitler too much and would never have gone to war if Germany hadn't started pushing into the USSR... he was happy for Hitler to have all of Western Europe. In fact I believe the reason so many Russians ended up dead was because Stalin was slow in responding to intelligence that Hitler intended to push into the USSR, probably because he realised it was a strategic disaster for Germany so they'd never do it, but they did, and he was right, splitting the German front weakened them dramatically. Basically we're lucky that Stalin was right that Germany splitting their front was a terrible idea, and lucky that he was wrong about Hitler not actually trying to do it.

But ideologically? Stalin was all for Germany chewing up Europe and then splitting some of the land with the USSR.

[Oliver_W]

Stalin if anything trusted Hitler too much and would never have gone to war if Germany hadn't started pushing into the USSR... he was happy for Hitler to have all of Western Europe. In fact I believe the reason so many Russians ended up dead was because Stalin was slow in responding to intelligence that Hitler intended to push into the USSR, probably because he realised it was a strategic disaster for Germany so they'd never do it, but they did, and he was right, splitting the German front weakened them dramatically. Basically we're lucky that Stalin was right that Germany splitting their front was a terrible idea, and lucky that he was wrong about Hitler not actually trying to do it.

But ideologically? Stalin was all for Germany chewing up Europe and then splitting some of the land with the USSR.

It's weird to think that in just the Twentieth Century, parts of Europe were under the boots of Fascism, Nazism, and Communism D:

[Sticks]

And parts of Africa and India under the jack boot of Colonialism

[arista]

And parts of Africa and India under the jack boot of Colonialism

Yes Some owe Debt to China
in Africa Nations.


But Concrete Buildings built by China in Africa
are cracking
Bad mixed cement
China cutting corners on the very poor.


Was on Gravitas Part 1
on WION HD SkyHD Ch519

[arista]

More Russian Missiles
have hit Ukraine
Murdering 14 people.

Hitting a Hospital.


Ref:WION HD Live.

[Sticks]

Time to surrender to Putin there before more people die

Oh wait that war criminal failed comedian and dictator Zolensky won't allow it

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Documentary Tonight
BBC2HD 9PM Putin Vs the West
1 of 3

He (Johnson) talks of how Putin told him on the Phone
would get rid of him via a Missile.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/30/01/67106773-0-image-m-17_1675043870809.jpg

[UserSince2005]

Boris would slap that bastard back to Siberia.

[bots]

He may have bombed Boris, but 1 minute later, Russia would not exist

[Sticks]

So will the Boris Haters now start praising Putin?

[Alf]

Documentary Tonight
BBC2HD 9PM Putin Vs the West
1 of 3

He (Johnson) talks of how Putin told him on the Phone
would get rid of him via a Missile.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/30/01/67106773-0-image-m-17_1675043870809.jpgPutin denies that.

Who do you believe, Putin or Boris?

[arista]

Putin denies that.

Who do you believe, Putin or Boris?


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-da42f847-99c5-4d7c-afc5-6e1af46eaf0b.jpeg

[arista]

Yesterdays Sun

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

So will the Boris Haters now start praising Putin?

I hope so.:hehe:

But seriously nobody should be praising Putin invading another nation, not even the regular people of Russia, as they wouldn't like it if America or China decided to invade their country.

[Alf]

Trump could end this in 24 hours.



iHRLKwF3a38

[arista]

Trump could end this in 24 hours.



iHRLKwF3a38


Sure Alf
but he is not in power.

President Biden is sending his Tanks

[arista]

Evil Putin
clip from today was on Ch4HDnews

He Stated "Germany is sending their tanks
and they were Nazi's"
And then said "he will deal with them."


This is the Problem
all these tanks are moving slow
Putin is watching it all.


His Missiles and Endless Iran Made Cheap bomb Drones
are getting through..................

[MTVN]

My phone reminded me that a year ago today I was visiting Chernobyl. 3 weeks after that the Russians took control of it :skull:

[bots]

The UK today started training ukrainian forces in flying our fighter jets ..... not difficult to guess what comes next

[arista]

Ukrainian President Zelenskyy to meet PM
and King today in first UK
visit since Russian invasion

https://news.sky.com/story/ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-to-arrive-in-uk-today-to-meet-rishi-sunak-12805795

[arista]

President Zelenskyy
will be Live in Westminster Hall
at 1PM

SkyNewsHD
BBC Parliament
GBnewsHD

[arista]

Live On LBC
as well.

[arista]

At least he is speaking English

[arista]

PM Sunak Live in Dorset
with Tank behind him
With the Ukraine PM

[bots]

The UK today started training ukrainian forces in flying our fighter jets ..... not difficult to guess what comes next

Sunak is basically giving the ok for us to give ukraine fighter jets

[arista]

Sunak is basically giving the ok for us to give Ukraine fighter jets


Not Yet



There has to be a team
that can be out there to service them.


It could all go wrong
if Putin shoots them down

[arista]

Ukraine has posted loads of Videos
Bringing down Russian Fighters in the air

[Zizu]

Zelensky opened with ‘ the King ( Charlie boy ) is an Air Force pilot !!!


Was he really ??


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[Zizu]

Sunak is basically giving the ok for us to give ukraine fighter jets


Let’s hope we get some back


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ceaf54ce-f8cf-4659-9b69-eaf48360f496.png

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/09/01/67487687-0-image-m-12_1675905548986.jpg

[arista]

[Putin chillingly threatens a
'response' if UK gives fighter jets to Ukraine:
Kremlin sabre rattlers
warn of 'military-political consequences for
Europe and entire world' if Britain
'escalates' conflict - as Sunak tells
Zelensky NOTHING is off the table]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11728931/Putin-threatens-response-UK-gives-planes-Ukraine.html

[bots]

that was obviously going to happen. We can pretend we are not at war with Russia when we send defence systems, but tanks and fighter aircraft make it a different ball game. We cannot say with a straight face, we are not at war with Russia

[arista]

that was obviously going to happen. We can pretend we are not at war with Russia when we send defence systems, but tanks and fighter aircraft make it a different ball game. We cannot say with a straight face, we are not at war with Russia


Yes, PM Sunak knows that

[MTVN]

Understandably Ukraine will always want more. First it was the long range weapons which would make the difference, then it was the tanks which would turn the tide of the war, now it's fighter jets which will enable Ukraine to win. Trouble is Russia does have plenty left in the tank so every increase in Ukrainian military capability they could always respond with ever more ferocious strikes

[Sticks]

Zelensky should be told that now is the time to surrender to Mother Russia, for the greater good.

[arista]

Zelensky should be told that now is the time to surrender to Mother Russia, for the greater good.

There is No
Mother Russia.

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Ukraine is prepared to use
British long-range missiles to hit targets in Crimea,
the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
Following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's
visit to the UK,
Rishi Sunak promised to send more
military aid to Ukraine and now discussions
are taking place over whether this should
include Harpoon anti-ship missiles or
Storm Shadows, the paper notes.
It says that Ukrainian defence sources have
confirmed to the Times that Ukraine would
be prepared to use the missiles to
strike targets in Crimea.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A9B8/production/_128584434_times-nc.png.webp

[arista]

17 Missiles Hit Ukraine
from Russia


Ukraine Stopped 10 of them.


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-approved-supply-of-missile-that-shot-down-flight-mh17-12541713