Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

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[arista]

This sounds better
Ukraine Parliament people
have been on all TV news today.
All they ask is whether Russia will
stop attacking them.

So Air Cover
the USA Bombers would keep Russia back.

BBC News Text:
[The Times reports that the US could still provide air cover
to protect Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping force.]

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[arista]

BBC News Text:
[There is "panic and disbelief" in Europe
as Trump signals a "major shift in security guarantees"
that have kept peace on the continent for 80 years.]

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[arista]

[UK and EU leaders criticising Donald Trump's
negotiation tactics with Vladimir Putin.
Some have accused the US president of appeasing
Putin in the same way
Europe did to Adolf Hitler in the 1930s.]


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[bots]

but the USA do have a point, europe needs to be more proactive in it's own defence

[Gusto Brunt]

[UK and EU leaders criticising Donald Trump's
negotiation tactics with Vladimir Putin.
Some have accused the US president of appeasing
Putin in the same way
Europe did to Adolf Hitler in the 1930s.]


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All these people attacking Trump are just very stupid wart mongers. They want the death and descruction to continue because their tiny little brains cannot think any further.

The way Trump is thinking of ending this senseless war is how all humans should be thinking after centuries of mass wars and death.

Only Trump is thinking right. His brain has developed. He knows wars are pointless and all end in talks anyway. So why fookin' start them!!

[arista]

Zelensky
is now in Munich
to meet JD Vance
to discuss Ukraine's Future.


There is rush to know what President Trump and Putin
spoke about for 90mins on the phone


For Example
Has Putin Warned Trump
he is going to take other nations?

[arista]

Romania has canceled its National Election.
As Russia was interfering in it.

Was on LBC Debate Live

[arista]

With USA
pulling back from the EU.


Macron is now rushing to try arrange,
a EU meeting to set up an EU Army.


Report on the Start of Ch4HDnews

[Cherie]

Europe has been sleeping on this issue, they knew Trump had a good chance of getting another term, yet did nada, now it looks like insanely only USA and Russia will decide on Ukraine.... like what the hell...... Europe has pumped vast amounts of money into Ukraine and for Ukraine itself not to have a seat at the table is such an insult .....time to cut USA loose

[Cherie]

All these people attacking Trump are just very stupid wart mongers. They want the death and descruction to continue because their tiny little brains cannot think any further.

The way Trump is thinking of ending this senseless war is how all humans should be thinking after centuries of mass wars and death.

Only Trump is thinking right. His brain has developed. He knows wars are pointless and all end in talks anyway. So why fookin' start them!!

so why should the USA and the aggressor Russia decide Ukraines future, someone invades UK you would be happy if you were signed up to fight, for the aggressor and USA to decide how much of the UK is lost?


who started the Ukraine War?

[Quantum Boy]

All these people attacking Trump are just very stupid wart mongers. They want the death and descruction to continue because their tiny little brains cannot think any further.

The way Trump is thinking of ending this senseless war is how all humans should be thinking after centuries of mass wars and death.

Only Trump is thinking right. His brain has developed. He knows wars are pointless and all end in talks anyway. So why fookin' start them!!

1) An aggressor starts a territory war

2) (By your logic) everyone should be keen to stop wars once started ASAP and by any means

3) Powerful countries step in and stop the war by gifting large chunks of territory to the initial aggressor.

4) The war ends. The aggressor has achieved their war goals, either partially or fully, by gaining territory (see point 1)


5) ... you have created a pretty big motivator for the same or other aggressors to start more wars, not fewer.



If you want fewer wars to start then the solution to ending existing wars cannot place the aggressor in a meaningfully better position than the one they were in when the war started.

This is why wars tend to end on a compromise once war exhaustion has set in and there have been significant losses. When the aggressor will be in a better position if they stop now, than if they stop later. But not in a better position than they were at the start. If that happens then the war was "worth it", and will simply reoccur, either there or elsewhere.

[UserSince2005]

1) An aggressor starts a territory war

2) (By your logic) everyone should be keen to stop wars once started ASAP and by any means

3) Powerful countries step in and stop the war by gifting large chunks of territory to the initial aggressor.

4) The war ends. The aggressor has achieved their war goals, either partially or fully, by gaining territory (see point 1)


5) ... you have created a pretty big motivator for the same or other aggressors to start more wars, not fewer.



If you want fewer wars to start then the solution to ending existing wars cannot place the aggressor in a meaningfully better position than the one they were in when the war started.

This is why wars tend to end on a compromise once war exhaustion has set in and there have been significant losses. When the aggressor will be in a better position if they stop now, than if they stop later. But not in a better position than they were at the start. If that happens then the war was "worth it", and will simply reoccur, either there or elsewhere.

you forgot to mention that the aggressor has lost over 100k in men, weakened its position globally, and is currently relying on the pathetic north korea to save face.

Russia won’t be starting another war anytime soon, they’ve well and truly embarrassed themselves with this whole debacle.

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[Nicky91]

you forgot to mention that the aggressor has lost over 100k in men, weakened its position globally, and is currently relying on the pathetic north korea to save face.

Russia won’t be starting another war anytime soon, they’ve well and truly embarrassed themselves with this whole debacle.

why did this invasion begin again?


oh wait, many many years of the western europe bullying Russia


this whole invasion of Ukraine was no surprise for me AT ALL



and most european countries and the US now turning far right, only shows Putin is right about us all along, that fascism still exists in the west



Russia can easily save face, as a full member of Asia ;) they already have the support of China, North Korea, possibly India will not be difficult to win their support, and as for sports, entertainment they can also join the organisations within Asia, rather than Europe

[Nicky91]

calling Putin a fascist dictator is also wrong


russians are communist



also Russia helped us big time fight the fascist nazi's at WW2, thanks to them that ended in 1945


and how do we thank them, by treating them like **** for many years, with xenophobic behaviour

which led to this invasion of ukraine

[Livia]

calling Putin a fascist dictator is also wrong


russians are communist



also Russia helped us big time fight the fascist nazi's at WW2, thanks to them that ended in 1945


and how do we thank them, by treating them like **** for many years, with xenophobic behaviour

which led to this invasion of ukraine

At the start of World War 2, Stalin and Hitler had a pact. Hitler invaded one side of Poland and Russia went in the other. Should we thank them for that? For being in bed, initially, with the Nazis? No one country was responsible for ending the war, it was a coalition of many allies.


How can peace talks that don't include Ukraine go ahead? Putin won't even be there... It's a ****ing circus.

[Nicky91]

At the start of World War 2, Stalin and Hitler had a pact. Hitler invaded one side of Poland and Russia went in the other. Should we thank them for that? For being in bed, initially, with the Nazis? No one country was responsible for ending the war, it was a coalition of many allies.


How can peace talks that don't include Ukraine go ahead? Putin won't even be there... It's a ****ing circus.

no, not Putin


but his most trusted minister of foreign affairs Sergey Lavrov most likely will be there (whom has been also travelling across the world also for Russia's revival of Intervision Song Contest, basically those who participate in that, also got new trade deals with them)

[Livia]

no, not Putin


but his most trusted minister of foreign affairs Sergey Lavrov most likely will be there (whom has been also travelling across the world also for Russia's revival of Intervision Song Contest, basically those who participate in that, also got new trade deals with them)

Sergey Lavrov is a clown and a liar.

A song contest? Jesus...

[Nicky91]

Sergey Lavrov is a clown and a liar.

A song contest? Jesus...

yes Intervision

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervision_Song_Contest


last edition was held in 2008 (in which Ukraine also competed in btw, well the pro-russian language/culture artists that is)



Lavrov, like Putin is also a very solid diplomat honestly, and this war can end peacefully, as long as the west also listens to the terms what russia want, like an end to corruption in the ukrainian government in Kyiv, an end to xenophobia towards russian language, culture, more freedom of speech for the Donetsk, Lugansk regions



also this ''Invasion'' was more called that by the news media's across the world, immediately the finger pointing tactic like russia is evil propaganda by the west, this was more a strategic operation to come to Donetsk, Lugansk their aide, those regional government had requested such help against the regime in Kyiv

[Livia]

yes Intervision

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervision_Song_Contest


last edition was held in 2008 (in which Ukraine also competed in btw, well the pro-russian language/culture artists that is)



Lavrov, like Putin is also a very solid diplomat honestly, and this war can end peacefully, as long as the west also listens to the terms what russia want, like an end to corruption in the ukrainian government in Kyiv, an end to xenophobia towards russian language, culture, more freedom of speech for the Donetsk, Lugansk regions



also this ''Invasion'' was more called that by the news media's across the world, immediately the finger pointing tactic like russia is evil propaganda by the west, this was more a strategic operation to come to Donetsk, Lugansk their aide, those regional government had requested such help against the regime in Kyiv

You're back to supporting the illegal invader again.

Lavrov lied and lied for weeks about the build up of troops on the border of Ukraine saying Russia had no intention of crossing into Ukraine.

Still, i hope you get to see your song contest, regardless of how many Ukrainians have died in this illegal war at the hands of the Russian invaders. They're just two borders from your own border. But hey... Songs.

[arista]

US envoy Kellogg arrives in Ukraine for talks with Zelenskiy


Keith Kellog is aged 80
so at least he can be honest with Zelenskiy.


[KYIV, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Keith Kellogg,
U.S. President Donald Trump's Ukraine envoy,
arrived in Kyiv on Wednesday to meet
with President Volodymyr Zelenskiy
and "listen," as the war against Russia
approaches its three-year mark.
Kellogg's visit comes a day after
the United States and Russia met in Riyadh
for talks on ending the war, without Ukraine.
"It will give us a chance to have
good substantial talks,"
Kellogg said, adding that the talks will
build on weekend conversations at
the Munich Security Conference.]


https://www.reuters.com/world/us-envoy-kellogg-arrives-ukraine-talks-with-zelenskiy-2025-02-19/

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[Zelensky condemns Trump:
Ukraine leader says US President
'is in a disinformation bubble',
demanding $500bn minerals
'is not a serious conversation… I won't sell my country',
and says Donald has 'helped Putin']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14412791/Zelensky-blasts-Trump-Ukraine-President-disinformation-helped-Putin.html


Yes President Trump did not
even bother to go to Saudi Arabia
sending Little Rubio
and 2 others.

[Livia]

Trump has no interest in Ukraine specifically and Europe generally. How can you have peace talks that exclude the invaded country and representatives of the continent on which it stands. Putin and Trump... What a team.

[arista]

Trump has no interest in Ukraine specifically and Europe generally. How can you have peace talks that exclude the invaded country and representatives of the continent on which it stands. Putin and Trump... What a team.


Yes, he is in his,
Amerca First World

[Sticks]

Trump is right about Zelsky

Zelesky is the problem with his big ego - If he had allowed a surrender and for Ukraine to be, as it is a province of Russia and not an independent country, all these death could have been avoided.

Zelensky needs to be arrested and put on trial in Moscow for high treason.

[arista]

"needs to be arrested"


No he is the Legit
Leader of Ukraine.

[Alf]

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[Vanessa]

I have to agree, it's a war they can't win. Why not settle and stop all this?

[Livia]

I have to agree, it's a war they can't win. Why not settle and stop all this?

Russia invaded Ukraine. How do they settle that? Do they say, here Putin, take half our country....

[Livia]

People have such short memories....

[Oliver_W]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Ukraine are "irrelevant" in discussions, because that's OBVIOUSLY ridiculous. But their position entirely depends on support from outside, and the continued willingness to provide.

I've long thought that the current help given is doing almost nothing but maintaining the status quo. When what SHOULD be happening is either Ukraine gaining the ability to end the conflict, or aid in negotiations.

[arista]

President Trump has now
badmouths Zelensky.


[Ukraine latest: Trump calls Zelenskyy
a 'dictator ' and says he 'better move fast'
or he won't have a country left

Donald Trump has hit out at Volodymyr Zelenskyy
once again, calling him a
"dictator without elections".
Earlier, Zelenskyy said Trump is
"trapped in a disinformation bubble" after
he appeared to blame Ukraine for
starting the war. ]

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-putin-call-ukraine-war-peace-talks-moscow-zelenskyy-kremlin-live-sky-news-latest-12541713

[MTVN]

It's an interesting take. There's pretty clear problems with having elections when a big chunk of the country is occupied, there's frequent missiles flying, and so much of the population has fled. I'm not sure Ukraine can be blamed for starting the war either or how they were supposed to respond to a full scale invasion.

However some of his points are valid and there has to be an end to the war somehow. Ukraine can not achieve any more than they have done already unless we truly want this to be a world war with NATO direct involvement. They've maintained control over the vast majority of their country, they've kept most of their major cities. Much as we we might hate Russia's actions, a lot of the territory they now control is genuinely Russian-leaning anyway. There's a world of difference between Donetsk and Kyiv or Lviv

[Vanessa]

I'm totally on Ukraine side. But I get the feeling they can't win this war. Negotiations may be the only way to stop it.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not sure Ukraine can be blamed for starting the war either

I'd like to know Trump's rationale behind this. It didn't come from nowhere, there must be some "breadcrumbs" one could follow to get to what he said, even if some did get eaten or carried away by the wind.

[MTVN]

I'd like to know Trump's rationale behind this. It didn't come from nowhere, there must be some "breadcrumbs" one could follow to get to what he said, even if some did get eaten or carried away by the wind.

It's probably the same rationale as Putin gives that if Ukraine had just accepted the loss of Crimea and the occupied Donetsk and Luhansk regions then there would have been no invasion (if they also gave up any NATO ambitions). Probably questionable if that would have changed anything given Russia's obvious intentions at the start were to take over Kyiv too

[bots]

i think Trump wants some big pay back from europe. I also think that this frees up Russia to continue its assault across eastern europe. There is no way this is the end of Russian ambitions

[joeysteele]

i think Trump wants some big pay back from europe. I also think that this frees up Russia to continue its assault across eastern europe. There is no way this is the end of Russian ambitions

I agree.
Even moreso if there's in the end only a result that pleases Putin and Russia more.

[joeysteele]

Russia invaded Ukraine. How do they settle that? Do they say, here Putin, take half our country....

I honestly cannot comprehend how anyone could even see that as 'settling' it.
I agree with you and also your other post saying people have short memories.

Any appeasement AT ALL of dictators will only empower them further in the future.

[Cherie]

I'm totally on Ukraine side. But I get the feeling they can't win this war. Negotiations may be the only way to stop it.

How are they supposed to do that when they were not invited to the first meeting, it was held in Saudi with just Russia and America....that tells you all you need to know about how they want this settled, carving up Ukraine to suit themselves

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[Sticks]

The first three letters of Truth are in Trump

Truth hurts doesn't it Heir Zelensky

Zelensky is and always has been a war criminal here because he chose his ego over what had to be done, accept that the Ukraine is just a province of Mother Russia.

Saying it is independent is equivalent to saying that Arista is the King of Jupiter and I am the King of Saturn.

[arista]

Russia has Lost over 8,000 Troops
in Fighting Ukraine.

He needs to end his invasion.

Ref:Former MI6 Commander
speaking on Newsnight BBC2HD

[Alf]

It's all about the money. Where is the money?

[Alf]

Who thinks Donald and Elon are being fascist for simply wanting to know where the money has gone?

That money does afterall belong to the people whom President Trump represents


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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It's all about the money. Where is the money?

True where is the money and why does he keep asking for more but does it change the fact that Russia is the invader?

[Oliver_W]

The USA held elections through all crises, including world wars. So from an American perspective, one can see why it might appear a certain way.

[Quantum Boy]

Trump's version of peace negotiation boils down to;

If you're a kid in school being bullied by a bigger kid, and you want to stop him beating you up, you should simply give him half of your lunch money each morning and hope he doesn't want the rest before lunch time.

[joeysteele]

Trump's version of peace negotiation boils down to;

If you're a kid in school being bullied by a bigger kid, and you want to stop him beating you up, you should simply give him half of your lunch money each morning and hope he doesn't want the rest before lunch time.

That's how it's looking at present.
Despicable.

[Livia]

The USA held elections through all crises, including world wars. So from an American perspective, one can see why it might appear a certain way.


The USA was involved in WW1 & 2 for 2 years and 3 years respectively. Kind of mid-term wars.

What about Putins elections? Any idea why the USA wouldn't see that farce a certain way?

[Cherie]

Who thinks Donald and Elon are being fascist for simply wanting to know where the money has gone?

That money does afterall belong to the people whom President Trump represents


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Would be good to see the money trail, the US can clearly provide evidence that 177 billion was sent surely? Unless it was all handed over in brown envelopes

Not really taking the word of a country that insists Ukraine started the war...:whistle:

[Livia]

The USA was the only country to come out of WW2 in profit. Of course they want the money back they sent to Ukraine.

[Oliver_W]

The USA was involved in WW1 & 2 for 2 years and 3 years respectively. Kind of mid-term wars.

What about Putins elections? Any idea why the USA wouldn't see that farce a certain way?

I'd have to see what Trump said before I commented on it :shrug: .

I'm not even supporting him or his words, just sayin' is all.

[Quantum Boy]

The isolationism is going to fk the US military as well; that's what I don't understand. The reason they're able to fund the best (as in, most advanced) military in the world is because there's so much spending on R&D... and they're able to do that, because they sell a tonne of what they develop to the rest of NATO and other US allies. If the US burns those bridges and other NATO nations start doing all of our R&D "in house", so to speak, the US won't be able to keep up the same pace of funding ... it's all madness. The have no one else to sell to. They're not going to sell their best tech to non-western-allied large economies because they don't want them to have it, that's sort of the whole point.

It's utterly insane how quickly we've reached the point where the US as we know it could legitimately fall. At this point I feel that the whole house of cards comes down to whether or not the constitution, or rather, the US population's traditionally strong belief in the constitution, holds up under this pressure. It still might but this is their biggest test since the Civil War.

If Donlon Trusk is successful in ripping it to shreds - which is at this point a clear intention - I think the US is in real trouble. Like "fall of the soviet union, states trying to break away entirely" levels of trouble.

[Quantum Boy]

Would be good to see the money trail, the US can clearly provide evidence that 177 billion was sent surely? Unless it was all handed over in brown envelopes

Not really taking the word of a country that insists Ukraine started the war...:whistle:

Most of the "billions" is in military equipment, and most of the military equipment they were sending was older stuff they had stockpiled and needed to "spring clean" anyway. I mean it makes sense that it's what they would send; slightly-outdated US military equipment is still much newer than the VAST majority of active Russian military stuff (half of which is pretty ancient) BUT... it's a bit of a sly move for them to price that stuff in USD$ terms as though they actually handed that out in cash. It's stuff that was sitting in warehouses gathering dust, not liquid financials.

[Oliver_W]

Are people taking issue with the fact that Russia has been invited to the table at all, or that they don't trust Trump to do it?

As someone said on tv this morning, billions have been "spent" to support Ukraine, and all that's been achieved is the loss of their land, or at best holding the status quo.

[Quantum Boy]

Are people taking issue with the fact that Russia has been invited to the table at all, or that they don't trust Trump to do it?

As someone said on tv this morning, billions have been "spent" to support Ukraine, and all that's been achieved is the loss of their land, or at best holding the status quo.

At this point Trump has openly been aggressively critical of Ukraine and also clearly disclosed that the US has competing interests; Trump/The US now CANNOT reasonably be a large part of any impartial peace talks. He should have kept his mouth shut but he can't help himself when he's feeling "challenged".

[Livia]

Are people taking issue with the fact that Russia has been invited to the table at all, or that they don't trust Trump to do it?

As someone said on tv this morning, billions have been "spent" to support Ukraine, and all that's been achieved is the loss of their land, or at best holding the status quo.

I have issues with no representative of the invaded country being invited.

War is expensive. I'd be interested to know how much Russia has spent.

[Oliver_W]

At this point Trump has openly been aggressively critical of Ukraine and also clearly disclosed that the US has competing interests; Trump/The US now CANNOT reasonably be a large part of any impartial peace talks. He should have kept his mouth shut but he can't help himself when he's feeling "challenged".

What are the USA's competing interests?

(Not being facetious, there's been so much "noise" I've lost track)

[Quantum Boy]

What are the USA's competing interests?

(Not being facetious, there's been so much "noise" I've lost track)

Declared: Trump claims that Ukraine owes them $$$ and has now also claimed (straight up lied) that Ukraine was the initial aggressor in the war.

Undeclared: Anyone with any sense at this point has to strongly suspect that Trump has been somewhat in bed with Putin for years.

[bots]

The amount spent giving lethal aid to ukraine is pretty much nonesense from the get go. To give an example. The storm shadow missiles from the uk that the press were drooling about were from a stockpile manufactured 50 years ago. We don't give new tech to countries, because that warns the enemy what we have. When we replenish those stocks, it is with newer tech, but not only that, the missiles are largely manufactured in the UK, so the replacements are made with UK jobs and feeding the UK economy. The same is true for america only magnified 100 times


The Patriot defence missile systems were first used for that purpose by Israel during the first gulf war, which was a long time ago

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14419749/elon-musk-claims-zelensky-fraud-machine-calls-election.html

[Quantum Boy]

The amount spent giving lethal aid to ukraine is pretty much nonesense from the get go. To give an example. The storm shadow missiles from the uk that the press were drooling about were from a stockpile manufactured 50 years ago. We don't give new tech to countries, because that warns the enemy what we have. When we replenish those stocks, it is with newer tech, but not only that, the missiles are largely manufactured in the UK, so the replacements are made with UK jobs and feeding the UK economy. The same is true for america only magnified 100 times


The Patriot defence missile systems were first used for that purpose by Israel during the first gulf war, which was a long time ago

Exactly, the war economy is huge ... and the conveyor belt is clear in terms of who gets what. Not only that but they need to clear out those old munitions and equipment to make room for the newer stuff coming out of development - and it would cost a fortune to dispose of any of it. It would be cheaper to give it away for free a lot of the time (and sometimes they do just that) than to scrap it ... but the really insane thing is ... they're often getting the best of both worlds; people are paying to take it away.

It's like when you sell an old desk on Facebook Marketplace for £10 and say "sorry can't deliver" when you were getting rid of it anyway. So instead of paying £30 for a bulky uplift... you have someone take it away, free of charge, and they actually GIVE you a tenner.

[Quantum Boy]

Which reminds me I need to hire a skip...

[Alf]

"They're throwing you some scraps to keep you occupied" is what Elon is really saying here


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[arista]

He is a Busy Leader, Alf
he can not watch all his staff

[arista]

The Pathetic, Lazy Star
doing the Same Front Page, as a few days back.

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[arista]

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Macron gets to meet Trump
on Monday in the USA.



PM Starmer goes on Thursday.

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2025/02/21/4264794717441079837/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_4264794717441079837.jpg

[Donald Trump appears to have won his trade standoff
with Volodymyr Zelensky, as the Ukrainian president
is set to give in and sign a deal giving the
U.S. access to deposits of critical minerals.
The deal was seen as crucial for satisfying
Washington's demands for a peace settlement
between Ukraine and Russia
to end their three-year-long war.
It's a staggering surrender from Zelensky,
who had said just days earlier:
'I defend Ukraine, I can't sell our country.']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14423219/volodymyr-zelensky-surrenders-donald-trump-sign-mineral-deal-hours.html

[Maru]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2025/02/21/4264794717441079837/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_4264794717441079837.jpg

[Donald Trump appears to have won his trade standoff
with Volodymyr Zelensky, as the Ukrainian president
is set to give in and sign a deal giving the
U.S. access to deposits of critical minerals.
The deal was seen as crucial for satisfying
Washington's demands for a peace settlement
between Ukraine and Russia
to end their three-year-long war.
It's a staggering surrender from Zelensky,
who had said just days earlier:
'I defend Ukraine, I can't sell our country.']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14423219/volodymyr-zelensky-surrenders-donald-trump-sign-mineral-deal-hours.html

That's comedy because isn't that what he's been doing by running around asking for handouts?... I've never been keen on him, but I hope that it all comes to a peaceful resolution in the end.

[Sticks]

Zelensky should be put on trial for war crimes and High Treason in Moscow

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/6188/live/007d1a30-f16e-11ef-9e61-71ee71f26eb1.png.webp

[Livia]

I know the USA did really well out of WW2, who would have thought they end up doing well out of a war they aren't even involved in, save sending some old munitions.

[arista]

£1:87
Amazon UK

[UK Ukrainian flag Enamel Pin Britain
and Ukrainian Flag Lapel Pin Badge
United Kingdom Great Britain and
Ukraine friendship pin]




https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51JCj+hSj8L._AC_SX679_.jpg


I noticed the Conservative MP
has one on today on the 3 channels


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ukrainian-Britain-Kingdom-Ukraine-friendship/dp/B0BWTL6478/ref=asc_df_B0BWTL6478?mcid=ec998935991638b28499f10 10abff00c&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=697248609489&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=835871793410739648&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006565&hvtargid=pla-2323438846554&psc=1&gad_source=1

[arista]

Zelensky is live in Kyiv
taking questions,


He was asked if he would stand down
if meant the end of the War,

He said YES

[bots]

I am sure there is plenty to criticise Zelensky about, but he will always have my admiration for the courage, leadership and example he has set over the last 3 years. When the country needed a leader, he stood up to be counted

[UserSince2005]

pretty disgusted by trump. The fact the US thinks they deserve something out of the money they have sent to Ukraine for the war effort.

The Ukraine have repaid every penny they have been sent already with the amount of men they have lost fighting those evil russians.

We have paid to use Ukraine as a shield against russia and it has been the deal of the century.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9404c109-d159-4c42-9dc3-792097482b92.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d9cb715b-7f57-49ae-9b2e-75633dac1f10.png

[Cherie]

I am sure there is plenty to criticise Zelensky about, but he will always have my admiration for the courage, leadership and example he has set over the last 3 years. When the country needed a leader, he stood up to be counted

The US offered to take him and his family out at the start off the War, he stayed on... kudos to him

[arista]

GMBHD itv
Has their reporter in Ukraine,

One Old couple is staying in a bombed zone
all the dogs and cats have gone to them
she has 17 cats, now.
One dog is shown getting on with a cat.

[arista]

Boris Johnson
now in Ukraine


John Sweeney (Ex BBC)
talking to GMBHD itv in Kyiv
moved their camera round
to see Boris talking to the other Press.

[arista]

Live In Kyiv


Zelensky was speaking


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

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[arista]

The Canadian Leader Justin
now talking in Keiv
sticking up for Ukraine


Live on TV News

[arista]

Now PM Starmer
is Live in Downing St.

Talking to the Big Table in Kyiv.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/24/16/95533349-14429629-image-a-5_1740414012370.jpg


Yesterday
all the EU leaders in Ukraine's Capital

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[France is ready to use its nuclear deterrent
to help protect Europe, The Telegraph reports.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Zelensky
has now entered the White House.

To talk with President Trump.

[arista]

JD Vance called Zelensky
"disrespectful"


Still talking


All News now

[arista]

Trump now having a go at
Zelensky

[arista]

Trump Told Him Loudly

That was not me.

THAT WAS BIDEN

[arista]

Trump
is shouting

[arista]

Bloody Press

All Shouting at once.

[arista]

Zelensky
asked JD Vance to Visit his nation

[arista]

Trump got Angry
But now they are talking more fairly.

[joeysteele]

Trump keeps repeating the same lines over and over.
Speaking for myself, I'd absolutely hate to try to deal with or try to communicate seriously with Trump.

[arista]

Trump keeps stating this could become WW3

[arista]

Press asked Zelensky
Why do you not wear a Suit?

He cleverly said
after the War, he will.

[arista]

Trump keeps repeating the same lines over and over.
Speaking for myself, I'd absolutely hate to try to deal with or try to communicate seriously with Trump.



True, it is not easy.




Trump likes Zelensky's Clothing


Still on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Zelensky's Car has Pulled Up



This looks Bad

[arista]

Leaving Early


Zelensky should have stayed


He is still there

[arista]

Trump wants the Cameras there

[arista]

All Press
Now Moved Well back.

[bots]

if the USA refuses to provide assistance they will end up being excluded from any negotiations. There is no point in their involvement if they are not going to help ukraine.

America wants europe to provide everything, so they can butt out

[arista]

if the USA refuses to provide assistance they will end up being excluded from any negotiations. There is no point in their involvement if they are not going to help ukraine.

America wants europe to provide everything, so they can butt out


Yes
Zelensky needs to sign Trump's Forms

He was Sticking Up for Biden.


That made Trump Angry

Reported on USA News


He is still there

[arista]

Trump has Kicked Zelensky Out


He has Gone into his car.
Now Left well early

[MTVN]

Well that was awkward

[Cherie]

:clap1: Zelensky took no **** there, no deal being signed, it wasn't a good deal for Ukraine anyway as USA would not provide security, the only one who disrespected the Oval Office were Trump and Vance

[arista]

Well that was awkward



Yes,
Zelensky praising Biden
pissed off Trump.

That was a silly

[Cherie]

Whey were they asking him about what he was wearing, how disrespectful to someone who has been at War for the past 3 years

[bots]

that was a setup to try and humiliate Zelenski. What it will have done is strengthen europes resolve to get behind ukraine

[Cherie]

Yes,
Zelensky praising Biden
pissed off Trump.

That was a silly

They cant have it both ways, they were accusing him of not being thankful enough, Biden's administration provided most of the support....stupid people

[arista]

:clap1: Zelensky took no **** there, no deal being signed, it wasn't a good deal for Ukraine anyway as USA would not provide security, the only one who disrespected the Oval Office were Trump and Vance

Sure
but the Public in Ukraine
want this war to end.


Zelensky could have changed his tone.

[Cherie]

that was a setup to try and humiliate Zelenski. What it will have done is strengthen europes resolve to get behind ukraine

yeah I think so too, just glad he was strong enough to defend himself

[Cherie]

Sure
but the Public in Ukraine
want this war to end.


Zelensky could have changed his tone.

apparently a snap shot of social media of Ukranians shows support for how Zelensky handled that

[Cherie]

Withdraw the invitation Charlie....

[bots]

the whole minerals thing is a scam anyway. Ukraine doesn't have an abundence of rare earths. Also, rare earths are available everywhere in the world, they are just extremely tedious to mine

[arista]

They cant have it both ways, they were accusing him of not being thankful enough, Biden's administration provided most of the support....stupid people


Yes that is True.

But it was Stupid to talk about Biden,
in Front of Trump


It is so simple

[arista]

apparently a snap shot of social media of Ukranians shows support for how Zelensky handled that


Of Course he is their Brave Leader

[Cherie]

Yes that is True.

But it was Stupid to talk about Biden,
in Front of Trump


It is so simple


Trump referred to Biden first I believe :laugh:

[MTVN]

Zelensky might be right but ultimately you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Starmer and Macron showed all you need to do is suck up to Trump and make out you're enjoying a great bromance and then you generally get what you want

[arista]

Trump referred to Biden first I believe :laugh:


Sure in a Bad Way

[arista]

Putin will now be So Happy

[arista]

Zelensky might be right but ultimately you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Starmer and Macron showed all you need to do is suck up to Trump and make out you're enjoying a great bromance and then you generally get what you want


Sadly True

[arista]

It was 2 on one

Trump and JD Vance

[arista]

Trump has stated he is welcome to come back
when he wants to sign the deal.


Ch4HDnews

[Cherie]

Zelensky might be right but ultimately you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Starmer and Macron showed all you need to do is suck up to Trump and make out you're enjoying a great bromance and then you generally get what you want

I dont think either Macron or Starmer were accused of having the wrong tone by Vance, what was he supposed to do grovel?

[MTVN]

I dont think either Macron or Starmer were accused of having the wrong tone by Vance, what was he supposed to do grovel?

No but it all went wrong when he cut across Vance to undermine his point. You don't really do that in a setting like that which is supposed to be highly choreographed and mainly symbolic, especially not when you are a guest of that country's President. You should have any difficult conversations behind closed doors

[arista]

I hope Zelensky
should go back to the White House
soon.


A Lady Politician stated in Ukraine
Live on Ch4HDnews

[Cherie]

No but it all went wrong when he cut across Vance to undermine his point. You don't really do that in a setting like that which is supposed to be highly choreographed and mainly symbolic, especially not when you are a guest of that country's President. You should have any difficult conversations behind closed doors

Well I would agree, but Zelensky looks exhausted and is under incredible stress, also English is his second language, they accused him of rolling his eyes and shrugging but it looked like he was trying to understand the questions, Trump set him up anyway by making the comments about Ukraine starting the war, that he was a comedian etc.....think they got the outcome they wanted in all honesty...it would have made more sense for Zelensky to have gone in there supported by some European leaders .

[arista]

Yes Zelensky
was well tired.

On Sunday he is in the UK
meeting PM Starmer

[arista]

At least the Door is still Open.

[Cherie]

Good point that neither Trump or Vance have criticised Putin

Europe needs to wake up, USA is not an ally

[arista]

Good point that neither Trump or Vance have criticised Putin

Europe needs to wake up, USA is not an ally


Looks that way

[bots]

We need to up our defence spending to 5 or 6%

[bots]

Lets have some perspective. Before the meeting, trump had tried to force Zelenski to sign a deal without him even having read it. When he refused, Trump and Vance said ukraine started the war and that he was an unelected dictator


It will be difficult for europe and ukraine to proceed without america, but not impossible. We cannot rely on the USA for anything now or in the future. Europe has to be able to protect itself. The UK may not have the biggest fighting force, but we have the command and intelligence expertise and mainland europe, when combined with ukraine, has a huge fighting force. I would call the USA's bluff and tell them to butt out

[joeysteele]

Good point that neither Trump or Vance have criticised Putin

Europe needs to wake up, USA is not an ally

I wholeheartedly agree.

I said a while back somewhere that the USA needs sidelining as much as possible for the next 4 years until this paranoid power crazy Trump is away and off the World political stage for GOOD.

Europe really has to step up and come together.

I feel this was staged possibly today, Vance was the one to load and fire the starting shot.
To allow Trump to make the statements he's been saying for weeks now.

As for being disrespectful to the oval office.
A President sitting there calling the previous President stupid, hardly is in any way respecting that ridiculous oval office.

Trump is a greedy paranoid narcissist.
I'm not one of the greatest fans of Zelensky HOWEVER he certainly didn't suck up to Trump nor take his nonsense.
I think this was more planned than not what happened here today by Vance and Trump.

[Beso]

Trump realises putin needs something out of all this. All trump wants to do is stop the pointless deaths of millions of people. Its Europe, and zylenskis moral stubborness that's going to drive the world into world war 3. Only way to stop that is Trump, and a complete solidarity from ukraine.

Zylenskis is failing to accept how much of Ukraine's land Trump could actually save him.

There isnt really a right or wrong when one of the worlds super powers goes off on one. There is only franetic scrambling between the rest to reduce the rubble.

[MTVN]

Well I would agree, but Zelensky looks exhausted and is under incredible stress, also English is his second language, they accused him of rolling his eyes and shrugging but it looked like he was trying to understand the questions, Trump set him up anyway by making the comments about Ukraine starting the war, that he was a comedian etc.....think they got the outcome they wanted in all honesty...it would have made more sense for Zelensky to have gone in there supported by some European leaders .

Fair points and Zelensky's English is amazing given he barely spoke the language until the invasion. I think this could have been handled better all round though, I hope Zelensky isn't playing a dangerous game of trying to force Europe's hand by antagonising the US

[bots]

i can't agree with anything you have said there Parm

[MTVN]

Also if we go against America on this it's not just a disagreement about defence. We risk losing their goodwill and cooperation in a whole load of areas including being subject to tariffs which will make us all poorer and less safe

[Cherie]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/world-reacts-to-zelenskiy-trump-oval-office-clash/ar-AA1A0POy?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=7aaa1940e48d4cf9b41a09bbedfab241&ei=11

[Glenn.]

Trump realises putin needs something out of all this. All trump wants to do is stop the pointless deaths of millions of people. Its Europe, and zylenskis moral stubborness that's going to drive the world into world war 3. Only way to stop that is Trump, and a complete solidarity from ukraine.

Zylenskis is failing to accept how much of Ukraine's land Trump could actually save him.

There isnt really a right or wrong when one of the worlds super powers goes off on one. There is only franetic scrambling between the rest to reduce the rubble.

Say Russia invaded the UK. What part of the UK would you surrender to Russia to stop the war they started?

[Cherie]

Also if we go against America on this it's not just a disagreement about defence. We risk losing their goodwill and cooperation in a whole load of areas including being subject to tariffs which will make us all poorer and less safe

Starmer came away after all the flattery with nothing more than a ..we will see....Trump is unpredictable, he and Russia are trying to divide Europe ....with all his special relationship crap, and Europe have been awful to the USA narrative

[bots]

What we are doing is reacting to a press conference that was staged for the benefit of trump supporters. You can't look at these things emotionally and I 100% agree that Zelenski had to push back otherwise he would have looked weak. He played it the best way he could in the circumstances.

From a european perspective, europe don't want to lose america as a defence partner, but if america is going to step away then we have to step up or we will be over run. Europe has not been pulling it's weight and it must do now or we are finished. Everybody keeps talking about WW3, but the reality is, it's already begun. It began when russia invaded ukraine and we must increase our defence spending considerably if we are to stand any chance of meeting the imminent threat

[Beso]

Say Russia invaded the UK. What part of the UK would you surrender to Russia to stop the war they started?

If it stopped my family from being killed I would say amy part they wanted.

[Beso]

i can't agree with anything you have said there Parm

That's fine, I hadnt watched the meeting. I have now though.

2 unhinged people, but only one of them able to see the bigger picture that would effect the rest of the world if a deal isn't done. Zylenski used to be the worlds favourite pet 3 years ago, but hes bit the finger too much


I was thinking about the photos at the start and how he
he came across as a desperate man. Then thinking back on the last 3 years where hes been seen as a great warrior and defender by the western world.

What's changed in the past 3 months is my question!

[Cherie]

If it stopped my family from being killed I would say amy part they wanted.

what if your family lived in the part they wanted to take :shrug:

[Cherie]

What we are doing is reacting to a press conference that was staged for the benefit of trump supporters. You can't look at these things emotionally and I 100% agree that Zelenski had to push back otherwise he would have looked weak. He played it the best way he could in the circumstances.

From a european perspective, europe don't want to lose america as a defence partner, but if america is going to step away then we have to step up or we will be over run. Europe has not been pulling it's weight and it must do now or we are finished. Everybody keeps talking about WW3, but the reality is, it's already begun. It began when russia invaded ukraine and we must increase our defence spending considerably if we are to stand any chance of meeting the imminent threat

Vances smug face at end of the conference spoke volumes, these people are supposed to have Christian values as well :joker: I think the question from the reporter about not wearing a suit was definately staged, why would you waste a question at such an important point in history on that....Zelenksy gave it back to him with both barrels....class

[Cherie]

That's fine, I hadnt watched the meeting. I have now though.

2 unhinged people, but only one of them able to see the bigger picture that would effect the rest of the world if a deal isn't done. Zylenski used to be the worlds favourite pet 3 years ago, but hes bit the finger too much


I was thinking about the photos at the start and how he
he came across as a desperate man. Then thinking back on the last 3 years where hes been seen as a great warrior and defender by the western world.

What's changed in the past 3 months is my question!

Parm, the deal for Zelensky hinged on securities, no point signing a deal if there are no guarantees, Trump practically accused him of starting WW3 but we all know who did that, Zelensky pointed out that Putin had broken a ceasefire that he, Merkel Putin and Macron had signed so pardon him if he didnt cave in just because Trump thought any peace might hold just because

[Glenn.]

If it stopped my family from being killed I would say amy part they wanted.

So you’d just bend over and let them take what they wanted.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

It's Trump and Vance who look the worse in this.
Despicable way to conduct this serious issue.

I think myself it was planned for whatever reason who knows, in that paranoid, delusional but dangerous mind of Trump.
Vance however is one of the most smug and ignorant individuals, vile.

[Glenn.]

Like a pair of school bullies.

People like this should not be allowed to engage in grown up talk.

[Cherie]

Vances smug face at end of the conference spoke volumes, these people are supposed to have Christian values as well :joker: I think the question from the reporter about not wearing a suit was definately staged, why would you waste a question at such an important point in history on that....Zelenksy gave it back to him with both barrels....class

oh whadda you know the guy concerned about clothes is Marjorie Taylor Greens boyfriend

[bots]

Reuters and the associated press were banned from attending the press conference, but russian media was allowed in. The whole thing was obviously staged

[arista]

It's Trump and Vance who look the worse in this.
Despicable way to conduct this serious issue.

I think myself it was planned for whatever reason who knows, in that paranoid, delusional but dangerous mind of Trump.
Vance however is one of the most smug and ignorant individuals, vile.


JD Vance
has helped cause this mess.
Sadly, the Ukraine War is now carrying on.


Amazing Trump warned him of WW3.


I hope Zelensky goes back,
to see Trump.
He should go in with his assistants.



At least President Trump
has stated he would like Zelensky to return

[arista]

Around 3 Hours,
Zelensky was in the White House.

Trump wanted a Ceasefire,
Zelensky said "No."


This Sunday
He will be in London
meeting PM Starmer.
And other Visitors

A Euro Summit
no less.

[Ammi]

…the irony and hypocrisy of this staged farce was Trump exclaiming that Zelensky was in no position to dictate on HIS country and how the heck did he very dare…while just a few moments before, that’s exactly what Zelensky had tried to say to Vance….had he ever visited Ukraine, was he in a position to make decisions about Ukraine, a country that’s been trying to defend against invasion for many years…Trump and Vance offended because Zelensky didn’t bow down enough or wear a pleasing enough blouse…Zelensky offended because of the many, many lives that have been taken in his country and the blood that has been shed ….

[DrunkerThanMoses]

So that one twat reporter tries to critcise how Zelensky dresses, but is fine with **** musk dressing like a twat.

**** them all. I hate this world right now.

[Nicky91]

of course this war will carry on


until Putin and Lukashenko are dead

[Ammi]

…in contrast, Starmer did get measured up for and picked up his White House uniform on the way in…


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/28/06/95680321-14446103-image-a-1_1740723579926.jpg

[arista]

…in contrast, Starmer did get measured up for and picked up his White House uniform on the way in…




Sure
But PM Starmer is not in a Deadly War.

[joeysteele]

…the irony and hypocrisy of this staged farce was Trump exclaiming that Zelensky was in no position to dictate on HIS country and how the heck did he very dare…while just a few moments before, that’s exactly what Zelensky had tried to say to Vance….had he ever visited Ukraine, was he in a position to make decisions about Ukraine, a country that’s been trying to defend against invasion for many years…Trump and Vance offended because Zelensky didn’t bow down enough or wear a pleasing enough blouse…Zelensky offended because of the many, many lives that have been taken in his country and the blood that has been shed ….

It was more than likely planned to get this outcome.
With near no real condemnation of Russia invading in the first place.
This was likely staged by Trump and Vance for the Russian benefit.

Putin and Russia will be the only serious people celebrating this despicable treatment of a visiting head of State of another Country.

Smudgie said Trump was unhinged.
I agree.
HE, Trump is the dangerous one in this now in my view.
I think he's untrustworthy and frankly he's just more rambling in speeches now.

The sight of our PM now too, running up his backside and the Royals lauding over him with an invite to THIS Country again for a STATE visit.
Absolutely sickening.

Plus where is Boris Johnson, just leaving his great friend Zelensky out in the cold now.
He was never quiet before.
What's his view of this staged humiliation of Zelensky by Vance and Trump.
President Zelensky who Johnson was supposedly solidly always with, NO MATTER WHAT.

[arista]

Trump got Angry.

That is all

[Ammi]

Sure
But PM Starmer is not in a Deadly War.


Not Contrast

…well exactly…they all have the privilege of being able to consider what they’ll wear for the occasion/visit/meeting while Zelensky’s attention has been taken up for quite some time with his people’s lives and homes been taken and the bloodshed that Putin has caused in the streets of Ukraine…a very staged and contrived provocative question and comment…

[Ammi]

Trump got Angry.

That is all

….first rule of a great negotiator/diplomat/world leader….get angry and react to that anger…which leads to being none of those bolted things…that is all…

[Ammi]

It was more than likely planned to get this outcome.
With near no real condemnation of Russia invading in the first place.
This was likely staged by Trump and Vance for the Russian benefit.

Putin and Russia will be the only serious people celebrating this despicable treatment of a visiting head of State of another Country.

Smudgie said Trump was unhinged.
I agree.
HE, Trump is the dangerous one in this now in my view.
I think he's untrustworthy and frankly he's just more rambling in speeches now.

The sight of our PM now too, running up his backside and the Royals lauding over him with an invite to THIS Country again for a STATE visit.
Absolutely sickening.

Plus where is Boris Johnson, just leaving his great friend Zelensky out in the cold now.
He was never quiet before.
What's his view of this staged humiliation of Zelensky by Vance and Trump.
President Zelensky who Johnson was supposedly solidly always with, NO MATTER WHAT.

….well, the only thing is for me….that may be true but whatever Trump is…?….long may he reign because the alternative is JD Vance, who imo is so much more dangerous…

[arista]

….first rule of a great negotiator/diplomat/world leader….get angry and react to that anger…which leads to being none of those bolted things…that is all…


Yes
He should speak his own language
maybe that will help

[arista]

And yes JD Vance
started the Fight

[Ammi]

Yes
He should speak his own language
maybe that will help

…Trump’s own language is bully, that doesn’t generally help for a more settled world…

[joeysteele]

Trump got Angry.

That is all

No, he took up from where Vance started this.
Plus it looked like they both enjoyed every minute to set out to humiliate publicly a guest, who was the visiting head of another Country.
It's not just getting angry.
That's despicable.

They wanted this, Trump could have closed the broadcasting of it and took it to private quarters.
He did not.
It's more like this is what he wanted to take place.

This isn't leadership, a leader should talk to all leaders in a dignified and respectful way.

How on earth can anyone admire Trump after watching this.
Plus his waste of space assistant Vance.
This was despicable.
Nothing like how a so called leader of a major Nation should act.

He got angry you say, so that excuses all bad behaviour.
Never, not to me.
Disgraceful.

[joeysteele]

….well, the only thing is for me….that may be true but whatever Trump is…?….long may he reign because the alternative is JD Vance, who imo is so much more dangerous…

Vance is vile, absolutely vile.

[arista]

…Trump’s own language is bully, that doesn’t generally help for a more settled world…


Trump will Not Change.

So Zelensky needs to speak with a Translator

[arista]

Although Euro Leaders
dissed Trump

Sly PM Starmer
stayed out of it.

A member of his staff spoke
instead

[Ammi]

Trump will Not Change.

So Zelensky needs to speak with a Translator

…no translation was needed to understand Zelensky attempting to explain his country to the two people in the room who were trying to disregard it …Ukraine and its leader completely understand the language of bullying…/…it’s what their life has been for many years …if a translator is what’s required then it would be the requirement of the US administration in that no peace or way forward is going to be achieved by attempting bullying tactics on a long term victim of bullying…listening is also an important part of talking which is what Trump and Vance didn’t show at all in that ‘meeting’…the translation of Zelensky in trying to explain that was very understandable and their response…?…to end the meeting and dismiss him from the White House…if a translator is needed then it’s not for Zelensky….

[bots]

…in contrast, Starmer did get measured up for and picked up his White House uniform on the way in…


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/28/06/95680321-14446103-image-a-1_1740723579926.jpg

Zelenskyy wears what he does on purpose. It's symbolic in that he is standing with his people fighting on the front line. No-one said anything to Musk when he turned up in jeans wearing a maga hat a couple of days before

It was all part of the lets humiliate and intimidate the man and look good to the boss, Putin

[Ammi]

Zelenskyy wears what he does on purpose. It's symbolic in that he is standing with his people fighting on the front line. No-one said anything to Musk when he turned up in jeans wearing a maga hat a couple of days before

It was all part of the lets humiliate and intimidate the man and look good to the boss, Putin

…and ain’t that all the truth of it…/…and no Translator required by you, bots…their words were all very, very staged but Zelensky has already shown in his actions that he won’t bow down to bullying super power countries…that type of attempted ‘intimidation’ doesn’t impress him at all…(…and he looked great…:love:…but then, his looking great comes from the inside and shines out…)…

[joeysteele]

…no translation was needed to understand Zelensky attempting to explain his country to the two people in the room who were trying to disregard it …Ukraine and its leader completely understand the language of bullying…/…it’s what their life has been for many years …if a translator is what’s required then it would be the requirement of the US administration in that no peace or way forward is going to be achieved by attempting bullying tactics on a long term victim of bullying…listening is also an important part of talking which is what Trump and Vance didn’t show at all in that ‘meeting’…the translation of Zelensky in trying to explain that was very understandable and their response…?…to end the meeting and dismiss him from the White House…if a translator is needed then it’s not for Zelensky….

Very well said.

All Trump wanted was this mineral deal signed.
I think it was becoming clearer that Zelensky wasn't going to sign something without some guarantee for his Nation's security in the future.

Trump goes on about a deal but WHAT is that deal he is to set out to negotiate.
How much or what minimum of Ukraine would be surrendered to Russia.
What guarantee would be in place were Russia to invade again.
What else would he think Russia should have for ending its invasion into Ukraine.

That's before he paints the picture of UKRAINE's security in the future

Trump never answers any of THAT.

All he's come up with is this mineral deal, in order to get back funds the USA has given Ukraine.
That's the only deal he's set up.

Now fine, USA workers in Ukraine in the future with this minerals deal.
MAY prevent Russia invading again, for as long as USA workers are there.
Still again, where is the security for those workers and Ukraine from Trump.
He NEVER answers that.

What about Russia being made to bear costs of rebuilding Ukraine.
Or is his plan to leave them with the bits of Ukraine they've taken so they need to see to that themselves.

However how is anything more handed to Russia on a plate, ( not as to Crimea that is gone).
Going to be anything other than a reward to Putin and Russia for this invasion.
Plus if Ukraine is denied NATO and/ or EU membership to further give in to Russia.
Where is there any idea of a real and lasting peace plan for UKRAINE's future security in anything Trump is advocating at present?

Trump is clearly unhinged, he's also surrounded by backside licking creeps.
How can anyone deal with a leader who unless you agree 100% with him, then he'll get angry and cut you off and OUT.
( Starmer got nothing from Trump other than on things, I think we can, I think we will,.
THINK isn't a firm positive, it's a possibility and possibilities can easily turn into not being possible after all).

That's tyranny and dictatorship not leadership.
He likes crawlers and only yes people.
He shows no real respect to most others.
Plus once anyone may dare to disagree with him, his paranoia of him always having to be right, kicks in and he explodes as like yesterday.

Really frightening for the USA that is in my view, plus for the World too.

[bots]

people quickly forget the first days of the war when russian special forces were sent in to kill Zelenskyy and America offered to get him out the country and he refused to go.

[bots]

What people don't seem to realise is that ukraine has it's own manufacturing capability now for drones and ammunition. They are actually in a pretty strong position now to defend the land they have. It's of course a very different thing to push the enemy out as they are dug in, but Russia need a break in hostilities to re-arm and re-group, Ukraine don't need this time.

Going forward over say the next 12 months, if America continue to side with Russia .... are they going to arm russia and put boots on the ground in support of russia? I don't think thats possible at this point, but you never know

Trump is not taking an inward looking posture at all, he has made america a predator. Take greenland, take panama, take Gaza, take minerals from ukraine and we are only 5 weeks in to his presidency

[Beso]

Wasnt it ukraine that offered America the mineral deal, bots?

[bots]

America put a mineral deal on the table to Zelenskyy and told him to sign it without reading it. That doesn't equate to a deal to me

[joeysteele]

America put a mineral deal on the table to Zelenskyy and told him to sign it without reading it. That doesn't equate to a deal to me

No it doesn't, not at all.
I agree

[Livia]

Trump and Vance looked like bullies, neither of them covered themselves in glory. They wouldn't let Zelensky speak, and it was more difficult for him as his first language is not English. Yet they suck up to Putin. Pair of idiots and they showed it.

[arista]

Sadly it was lost in translation

When Zelensky later that day
when it was live on FoxNewsHD
he had a a translator, off camera


Reported on CNN HD Smercornish Live, today.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/01/14/95720015-0-image-a-8_1740838900633.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14450209/nine-words-clash-Zelensky-Trump-world-holds-breath.html

[arista]

Tomorrow
Zelensky, meets the King at Windsor


SkyNewsHD Live

[Glenn.]

Sadly it was lost in translation

When Zelensky later that day
when it was live on FoxNewsHD
he had a a translator, off camera


Reported on CNN HD Smercornish Live, today.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/01/14/95720015-0-image-a-8_1740838900633.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14450209/nine-words-clash-Zelensky-Trump-world-holds-breath.html

Nothing was lost in translation. The world see two morons, with no intelligence, both incredibly unfit for their jobs, trying to bully a solider.

[arista]

Nothing was lost in translation. The world see two morons, with no intelligence, both incredibly unfit for their jobs, trying to bully a solider.

It was in Zelensky
not saying the correct words
without his helper translator


Ref : CNN HD

[Alf]

And yes JD Vance
started the FightNo, Zelenskyy did.

[arista]

No, Zelenskyy did.


His English is not good enough
He should speak in the Ukrainian language

[Alf]

1895590525454983416


Here is the full 50-minute conversation between President Trump and President Zelensky.

There are a lot of politicians claiming Zelensky was "ambushed."

There was a full 40 minutes of dialogue before the "fireworks" started.

The president insisted throughout the first 40 minutes that he was focused on peace.

Zelensky responded by strongly pushing back on a ceasefire with Russia and demanded that Putin pay for the entire war.

JD Vance jumps in at the 40-minute mark to clarify the difference between Trump and Biden and their approach to the war.

This apparently ticked off Zelensky which is when the fireworks started.

[joeysteele]

Trump and Vance looked like bullies, neither of them covered themselves in glory. They wouldn't let Zelensky speak, and it was more difficult for him as his first language is not English. Yet they suck up to Putin. Pair of idiots and they showed it.

I agree.
It was very uncomfortable viewing indeed.

However it's at Trump's and Vance's door that this shameful event unfolded.
It was more like they saw Zelensky as the aggressor in the conflict with Russia and not how it really is, that Putin and Russia ARE the aggressors AND invaders.

[Alf]

1895582093952123121

[arista]

1895582093952123121


Yes, she was shocked.

[arista]

Alf
Have you got anything new?

I have seen all these near live
at the time on UK TV news

And the Ch4HDnews Live report

[Alf]

Best thing to end this war is for an election in Ukraine, get him voted out, then they can bring about ending the war.

[Alf]

alf
have you got anything new?

I have seen all these near live
at the time on uk tv news

and the ch4hdnews live report1895891517765824807

[Quantum Boy]

It was in Zelensky
not saying the correct words
without his helper translator


Ref : CNN HD

Bull

No, Zelenskyy did.

Sh1t


No one is playing these games any more, the sky is not green, and the moon is not made of cheese.

[Beso]

It was nice to see how things go behind closed doors.

[Cherie]

1895590525454983416


Here is the full 50-minute conversation between President Trump and President Zelensky.

There are a lot of politicians claiming Zelensky was "ambushed."

There was a full 40 minutes of dialogue before the "fireworks" started.

The president insisted throughout the first 40 minutes that he was focused on peace.

Zelensky responded by strongly pushing back on a ceasefire with Russia and demanded that Putin pay for the entire war.

JD Vance jumps in at the 40-minute mark to clarify the difference between Trump and Biden and their approach to the war.

This apparently ticked off Zelensky which is when the fireworks started.


No, what Zelenskyy was saying was that Putin could not be trusted, in 2012 he signed along with Merkel, Macron and Putin a ceasefire deal and then in 2014 Putin invaded Crimea, pointless going for a ceasefire with no guarantees .....Putin would just rearm and go again in a few years time ...I have not heard one word of criticism towards Putin with regard to the invasion of Ukraine, dont you think that is odd for someone who says he is not taking sides? yet Trump has plenty to say about Zelenskyy...he is a dictator, unelected, a comedian....etc maybe if you watched for yourself and wrote your own thoughts rather than copying and pasting what someone put on X it would be better

[Sticks]

Zelensky disrespected the Oval Office by not wearing a suit and tie

Someone even pulled him up on that.

Even members of the Ukrainian are now calling for him to be impeached.

[Cherie]

Best thing to end this war is for an election in Ukraine, get him voted out, then they can bring about ending the war.

How do you propose to hold an election while they are at War....?

[Alf]

No, what Zelenskyy was saying was that Putin could not be trusted, in 2012 he signed along with Merkel, Macron and Putin a ceasefire deal and then in 2014 Putin invaded Crimea, pointless going for a ceasefire with no guarantees .....Putin would just rearm and go again in a few years time ...I have not heard one word of criticism towards Putin with regard to the invasion of Ukraine, dont you think that is odd for someone who says he is not taking sides? yet Trump has plenty to say about Zelenskyy...he is a dictator, unelected, a comedian....etc maybe if you watched for yourself and wrote your own thoughts rather than copying and pasting what someone put on X it would be betterWhere does your knowledge on all this come from?

Surely you must have listened to people's opinions to form your own opinion?

So that would be a like to copying a pasting other people's opinions, wouldn't it.

Sorry, but I'm no expert on this, I know as much as you about what's actually really going on, which is nothing.

[Alf]

How do you propose to hold an election while they are at War....?Well let's face it. Right now Zelensky is a dictator. The elections were due to be held in October 2023 but Zelensky cancelled them and put the country under martial-law.

[arista]

https://x.com/chawshin_83/status/1895572105267462452

AI adjusted Fake Fight

[arista]

How do you propose to hold an election while they are at War....?


Yes,
no one would do that,
it would never work,

[joeysteele]

Yes,
no one would do that,
it would never work,

Of course it wouldn't, you are right.
They were at war from 2022 anyhow

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk7oqoHW4AACn0A?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

Where does your knowledge on all this come from?

Surely you must have listened to people's opinions to form your own opinion?

So that would be a like to copying a pasting other people's opinions, wouldn't it.

Sorry, but I'm no expert on this, I know as much as you about what's actually really going on, which is nothing.

No I formed an opinion from watching the whole thing unfold live..... ?

[Cherie]

Well let's face it. Right now Zelensky is a dictator. The elections were due to be held in October 2023 but Zelensky cancelled them and put the country under martial-law.

Just like Churchill didnt hold elections while Britain was at War, is there a difference....not sure how you expect people to go to the Polls as if it is normal times...how would that work

[Alf]

Just like Churchill didnt hold elections while Britain was at War, is there a difference....not sure how you expect people to go to the Polls as if it is normal times...how would that workNo, we just had a coalition government instead.

[Cherie]

No, we just had a coalition government instead.

Yes the elected government before the war started....just like Zelenskyy is elected, how do you expect people to vote in areas that are under bombardment or would you just ignore those provinces.... which lets face it are the most important

[Glenn.]

Zelensky disrespected the Oval Office by not wearing a suit and tie

Someone even pulled him up on that.

Even members of the Ukrainian are now calling for him to be impeached.

So musk also disrespected the Oval Office too then yeah? Bringing his kid who actually disrespected the sexual predator at its desk in front of his father who was wearing a baseball cap, t shirt and overcoat.

[Glenn.]

1895565994695016743?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

[Glenn.]

1895959968379191800?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2025/03/02/1402045413614795218/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_1402045413614795218.jpg

[Does Trump's wink to Marjorie Taylor Green's
reporter boyfriend Brian Glenn
prove the White House bust-up
with Zelensky was a 'planned political mugging'?]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14451179/Trumps-wink-Marjorie-Taylor-Greens-boyfriend-Brian-Glenn-White-House-Zelensky.html

[arista]

1895565994695016743?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

Harris was pathetic
If she had anything good
she could have won.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk-GrLKW0AABmnY?format=jpg&name=small

[Sticks]

It was a pity they could not arrest Zelensky for war crimes and ship him off to Moscow for trial on the charge of High Treason against Mother Russia, which Ukraine is still part of.

[UserSince2005]

It was a pity they could not arrest Zelensky for war crimes and ship him off to Moscow for trial on the charge of High Treason against Mother Russia, which Ukraine is still part of.

In what world do you live lol

[Glenn.]

Harris was pathetic
If she had anything good
she could have won.

She WAS right though

[arista]

It was a pity they could not arrest Zelensky for war crimes and ship him off to Moscow for trial on the charge of High Treason against Mother Russia, which Ukraine is still part of.

Stop Talking Rubbish.

[UserSince2005]

For me Trump has gone from best president ever to worst. Let’s be nice to him for now and then in 4 years time we can speak the truth and trash him

[Cherie]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2025/03/02/1402045413614795218/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_1402045413614795218.jpg

[Does Trump's wink to Marjorie Taylor Green's
reporter boyfriend Brian Glenn
prove the White House bust-up
with Zelensky was a 'planned political mugging'?]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14451179/Trumps-wink-Marjorie-Taylor-Greens-boyfriend-Brian-Glenn-White-House-Zelensky.html

Of course it was ....Trump didnt go from calling him a dictator the week before to being chums

[Beso]

A rational take on things..

https://youtu.be/OtmMl8ISPcY?si=TIuKCCNfcAUb4iZ2

[Glenn.]

Of course it was ....Trump didnt go from calling him a dictator the week before to being chums

Trumps actually denying that he ever said it now. You have to laugh