Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

[thesheriff443]

oh yes resorting to calling me a troll just because i have my own opinion


that's what you have in good quality debates, everyone having their own opinions

You don’t know your own opinion I call you mr flip flop because like in the tennis thread you flop from one side to the next.

[arista]

Reported Some Russian Troops have moved back



Putin is chicken

[bots]

the withdrawal needs to show that it stops russia's capability to invade ukraine, which is a long way off yet

[arista]

the withdrawal needs to show that it stops russia's capability to invade ukraine, which is a long way off yet



Of Course

[MTVN]

So I presume all the people / businesses on the border where the Russians are camped have moved well away ??

I’m imagining a 20 mile deserted radius around the Russians


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No it is business as usual for the most part

[arista]

No it is business as usual for the most part


A Nice Lady
Live on Ch5HD AM show in Kiev
showed the square she is in.
Everything as normal.

[Zizu]

No it is business as usual for the most part


So they can’t be too concerned??


I would move my family as far away from the border / troops as possible tbh


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[arista]

So they can’t be too concerned??


I would move my family as far away from the border / troops as possible tbh




They have had,
this for 1O years.
The Lady Live out there on Ch5HD AM
is relaxed,
No invasion expected by them.

[MTVN]

So they can’t be too concerned??


I would move my family as far away from the border / troops as possible tbh


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Most of the troop build up is concentrated on the border of areas which are already effectively under Russian control or have been in a state of conflict for years so the threat is not really a new one. If you've remained in place throughout the conflict then you're unlikely to leave now I think

Maybe if you're in the north of the country the threat is now increased as that was previously pretty safe but Russia could now invade from Belarus but it's still a massive call to make to uproot everything based on something that might happen if you've got nowhere to go and you're not sure when you'd ever return

[arista]

Johnson having a Cobra Meeting, now
on the impact of Oil Prices
due to the Russian aggression.

[Kizzy]

I just read some Russian troops are being pulled back from the Ukrainian border. I hope this is true.

[arista]

I just read some Russian troops are being pulled back from the Ukrainian border. I hope this is true.


Yes, they had finished doing their drill.



War Expert Tim Marshall
speaking on Ch5HD AM Live, today
said it will make no difference

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
speaking to reporter Joe Pike
for all broadcasters

Johnson PM out of his Cobra meeting
said Mixed Signals
he stated Russian Field Hospitals are being set up.
He said all Russian troops should be moved away from
the borders.

The British Embassy, there, is kept open.

[bots]

Russia are just keeping everyone on the hop, trying to break up the universal condemnation they are facing from western governments. It's an obvious ploy. Half the german government support russia, hence why this was announced when the german leader was visiting. It's not rocket science. People forget very quickly that half of germany was part of russia and still support them massively

[Livia]

Russia's best bud China is hosting the whole world at the Winter Olympics... And allowing a Russian skater continue to compete despite the fact she failed a drugs test. The Russians are already competing under an ROC flag because of The country's acceptance of drugs and cheating. If kicks off in Ukraine Russia's biggest, scariest mate, China will be backing them.

[Nicky91]

Russia's best bud China is hosting the whole world at the Winter Olympics... And allowing a Russian skater continue to compete despite the fact she failed a drugs test. The Russians are already competing under an ROC flag because of The country's acceptance of drugs and cheating. If kicks off in Ukraine Russia's biggest, scariest mate, China will be backing them.

for the moment yes, but that is why they made sure of a top 25 advance to the next round instead of usual top 24, in case Vallieva has to pull out after all, but for the time being no statement was made so she was able to take part in the first round

[arista]

Putin is Live
in Moscow

All Media

He says Germany is his number 3
China is number 2



Germany's Olaf is there with him.




Both Live



It is a Love in

[arista]

The Donbas Region of Ukraine
has Russian control

Ukraine said it will allow Donbas Elections if the Russians leave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas


Report today on Gravitas Part 1. SkyHD Ch 523


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/War_in_donbass.svg/600px-War_in_donbass.svg.png

[Zizu]

Russia's best bud China is hosting the whole world at the Winter Olympics... And allowing a Russian skater continue to compete despite the fact she failed a drugs test. The Russians are already competing under an ROC flag because of The country's acceptance of drugs and cheating. If kicks off in Ukraine Russia's biggest, scariest mate, China will be backing them.


A Russian plus China tag-team doesn’t sound tooooo good tbh


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[Nicky91]

if Russians are such cowards, then now is the time that Ukrainians have to invade Russia with help from USA and UK troops and drone strikes

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

if Russians are such cowards, then now is the time that Ukrainians have to invade Russia with help from USA and UK troops and drone strikes

Hopefully the end result will be that nobody gets invaded.

And tbh what does Russia expect to achieve, yes they have China and Belarus as allies, but do they really expect to beat USA, UK, Japan, France, Australia, Ukraine and Germany would have to join our side because of having more allies on our side than trying to maintain a decent relationship with Russia.

Basically they'd be causing havoc just to end up getting slaughtered, hopefully they can see this too.

[arista]

BBC text :
[Financial Times is that France's foreign minister,
Jean-Yves Le Drian, has called for
a revamp of Europe's security framework
to "head off [a] Russian threat" across Europe.]

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[arista]

CNN HD USA
Showed a satellite image
of a new bridge built across water.

https://e3.365dm.com/22/02/2048x1152/skynews-ukraine-data-and-forensics_5675998.png?bypass-service-worker&20220216224416

[A pontoon bridge built over the Pripyat River,
less than four miles from the Belarus-Ukraine border.
Credit: Maxar]


https://news.sky.com/story/what-does-the-latest-satellite-imagery-tell-us-about-russian-claims-of-a-withdrawal-from-the-ukraine-border-12542880

[arista]

[Ukraine tensions:
Russia looking for excuse to invade, USA Biden says]


[President Joe Biden said military action
could begin imminently on Thursday,
but stressed that a diplomatic solution was still possible.

His top foreign policy official later listed
several ways Moscow could stage justification for an attack.
Russia said the claims were "baseless" and
accused the US of stoking tensions.
It has repeatedly denied any plan to invade
its eastern neighbour.
Moscow insists it is moving troops away
from the Ukrainian border,
but that claim has been fiercely contested
by Western powers.

"We have reason to believe they are
engaged in a false flag operation to have
an excuse to go in," Mr Biden told
reporters outside the White House.
A false flag is a fabricated attack a country stages
against its own interests in order to
justify a retaliation.
The US has for weeks been saying
that such a misdirection is part of Russia's plans.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60422103


Latest (Ch4HDnews)
Moscow has kicked out
A Top USA Embassy man.


[Russia expels U.S. embassy's second-in-command
in Moscow amid Ukraine tensions]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-us-diplomat-bart-gorman-expelled-embassy-moscow/

[bots]

as much as i think it's true, after what the uk and america did in iraq with WMD, they really can't claim superiority on that one

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Online Paper


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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also posted on LT's Weather thread

[arista]

as much as i think it's true, after what the uk and America did in Iraq with WMD, they really can't claim superiority on that one


Yes the Stinking Fake Data that started Iraq War 2003 to 2011

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Chirac_Bush_Blair_Berlusconi.jpg/520px-Chirac_Bush_Blair_Berlusconi.jpg
[President Jacques Chirac,
US President George W. Bush,
British Prime Minister Tony Blair
and
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.]

[arista]

Donetsk Region
of Ukraine
has a Siren going off


SkyNewsHD reported

[MTVN]

Feels like things are now going bad very quickly - explosions in the East, the separatist held cities evacuating their citizens, UK relocating their embassy, Biden saying invasion is now basically a certainty

Terrifying times :worry:

[user104658]

as much as i think it's true, after what the uk and america did in iraq with WMD, they really can't claim superiority on that one

And allegedly the entire "War on Terror", of course :whistle:

[LaLaLand]

Those poor people. Really scary.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Are we really gonna let him attack a city of 2.5 million completely innocent people ??


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[arista]

Are we really gonna let him attack a city of 2.5 million completely innocent people ??




Yes Biden
is not sending in Troops they stay on the Outside Nations

[Alf]

Feels like things are now going bad very quickly - explosions in the East, the separatist held cities evacuating their citizens, UK relocating their embassy, Biden saying invasion is now basically a certainty

Terrifying times :worry:I'm quaking in my boots.

[Alf]

What's happening in Canada is a bigger story than this old, rehashed, neverending story.

This story is the smokescreen.

[bots]

it's difficult to believe that the russians would build field hospitals on the border if they are not going to invade. Putin loves this type of stuff though, disinformation, keeping everyone on their toes with him the centre of attention

And Canada is not a bigger story, at least for me

[arista]

What's happening in Canada is a bigger story than this old, rehashed, neverending story.

This story is the smokescreen.


No Canada not using Guns or Missiles
I made a Canada thread ALF
use that.
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379617

Police now has stopped the Smelly truckers


If there is no Invasion
come back and laugh at us.

[arista]

Bidens Assistant Harris
is Live in Germany

Making her Stand

LIVE ALL MEDIA

[Alf]

No Canada not using Guns or Missiles
I made a Canada thread ALF
use that.
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379617

Police now has stopped the Smelly truckers


If there is no Invasion
come back and laugh at us.Here's a bit of footage of Canada, Old ladies with a walking assistance being trampled on by horses. I don't suppose you have any footage to back up what you're claiming to be happening in Ukraine?

As long as you believe trampling on people with horses is for for our health and safety, then you will be living in denial.


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[MTVN]

Here's a bit of footage of Canada, Old ladies with a walking assistance being trampled on by horses. I don't suppose you have any footage to back up what you're claiming to be happening in Ukraine? 1494811647453450240

Well a kindergarten did get bombed yesterday and a soldier was killed this morning

[Alf]

Well a kindergarten did get bombed yesterday and a soldier was killed this morningSae that yourself or did someone tell you that?

[arista]

Sae that yourself or did someone tell you that?


The Damaged Building is on all News


Reuters gave the World the sad news of one killed
by a Russian.

[arista]

Prime Minister Johnson is in Munich
with the Ukrainian Leader

SkyNewsHD

[Alf]

The Damaged Building is on all News


Reuters gave the World the sad news of one killed
by a Russian.Show us the video then? For all I know it could be any damaged building. I mean, in England yesterday there were loads of damaged buildings. I heard one story that a steeple fell of a church, it doesn't mean it was done by an invading country, although it may have been.

The mainstream media's word for it holds zero credit, they did that to themselves.

[arista]

Johnson PM is now Live in Munich

On both TV news channels

[arista]

Johnson is talking Rubbish


He just they invade, we look away.

Bollocks it will be Live on 100's of TV News Channels
around the world

[MTVN]

Show us the video then? For all I know it could be any damaged building. I mean, in England yesterday there were loads of damaged buildings. I heard one story that a steeple fell of a church, it doesn't mean it was done by an invading country, although it may have been.

The mainstream media's word for it holds zero credit, they did that to themselves.

Yes Twitter videos are the most reliable form of media

Yesterday the rebel leader in Donetsk released a video announcing the evacuation of civilians because Ukraine had renewed its military threat that day. It turned out he actually filmed it 2 days ago

[Alf]

Yes Twitter videos are the most reliable form of media

Yesterday the rebel leader in Donetsk released a video announcing the evacuation of civilians because Ukraine had renewed its military threat that day. It turned out he actually filmed it 2 days agoYou could be right, but why are you so certain?

With war comes propaganda, that is a fact.

Anyway, get channel 4 on now and watch the rugby.

[MTVN]

You could be right, but why are you so certain?

With war comes propaganda, that is a fact.

Anyway, get channel 4 on now and watch the rugby.

No can do, the mighty Irons are in action

[arista]

The Ukrainian Leader is Live
on Both News Channels



Munich, Germany

[arista]

He just said this in not a War in Ukraine
it is in Europe

[MTVN]

Surprised Zelensky has made the trip to Munich really, not much better time to invade than when the head of state is out of the country

[arista]

Surprised Zelensky has made the trip to Munich really, not much better time to invade than when the head of state is out of the country


Yes
Russia, is watching everything.

[bots]

Ukraine is on the outer reaches of europe and they are a collection of corrupt individuals, so not exactly ideal if they are being considered as a future european partner ( which would be incredibly unlikely)

If russia invaded, i think the ukranians would surrender pretty fast

[arista]

Russia isn't going to invade :conf:


but Ukraine is going to invade, Ukrainians are the real villains, and what a nice alibi this trip to munich is for Zelensky, convenient he isn't around the time when they invade donetsk



Nicky,
that is Part of Ukraine

[MTVN]

Russia isn't going to invade :conf:


but Ukraine is going to invade, Ukrainians are the real villains, and what a nice alibi this trip to munich is for Zelensky, convenient he isn't around the time when they invade donetsk

You're boring mate

[arista]

Nicky

It is Your Russia Vs the World

Except China, and North Korea, of course.

[arista]

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[arista]

Zelensky The Ukraine Leader
has said what is Biden waiting for on New Sanctions?
He said, they can invade ant time they want.

Of course, Biden will only do New Sanctions
once Russia invade

[bots]

if they applied the sanctions now, russia would have nothing to lose if they invaded, so that would be completely stupid

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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Yes Finland
a nation that does not have Nato
and does not need it.

[arista]

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Live Maiden Sq Kyiv

[Zizu]

Worrying times


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[bots]

war is inevitable now

[arista]

war is inevitable now


Biden wants to talk to Putin, again
so long as a War has not started.

[bots]

Biden wants to talk to Putin, again
so long as a War has not started.

the kremlin have said there will be no meeting between heads of state and france have said that they only facilitated the meeting because Biden asked them to, so they are distancing themselves from it to

[bots]

putin is about to make a television address

[arista]

putin is about to make a television address



What has the Gangster Putin got to tell us?

Is he to take over Donetsk
region of Ukraine.

[UserSince2005]

he wants kyiv :bawling:

[MTVN]

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[arista]

he wants kyiv :bawling:


Many are Saying
its Donetsk Region first.


Check MTVN's map.

[UserSince2005]

Lviv will be the capital of Ukraine?
Such a beautiful city, much more beautiful than Kyiv. But its not Kyiv, Kyiv will always be Ukrainian.

[bots]

he will take the whole country, he is just using misinformation as he usually does so that his allies can give him the thumbs up

I heard today that russia are now saying that rebels from the other eastern european countries are joining the ukraine forces, so you know whats going to happen next. Ukraine is a stepping stone

[Cherie]

I wonder what the Russian people think of this

[bots]

unbothered basically. Putins card was marked by them a long time ago, but they are powerless to do anything

[bots]

Today's Russian Security Council meeting was a piece of theatre in which everyone had their allotted role and their script.

Russia’s most senior officials sat in an awkward-looking semi-circle before Vladimir Putin, called upon one by one to step up to the mic and tell him what he wanted to hear.

In the story they spun, Russia was being compelled to step in to protect the people of the Donbas - many of them now Russian citizens - from the deadly threat posed by Kyiv, by giving formal recognition to the breakaway regions.

The word genocide was uttered again and Ukraine’s government described as puppets of the West.

Some played their part with more gusto than others.

At one point, a dry mouthed and stumbling intelligence chief strayed off script and declared his support for incorporating the breakaway regions into Russia. He was corrected like an errant schoolboy by President Putin.

The actual decision hasn’t been announced yet.

In a final flourish, Putin said he would first mull over what he’d heard, then make his call. Which sounded rather like a challenge to the US to try and stop him.

[bots]

and here it is .....

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

A Kremlin statement said Putin had told the French and German leaders he intended to sign a decree recognising the Donetsk and Luhansk areas as independent states.


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So they will now move their forces into those regions

[MTVN]

RT is showing Putins address live now

[arista]

Yes Also SkyNewsHD

It is Live on CNN HD

[arista]

BBC Laura Live
in Number 11 Downing St.

Asked The PM about taking away Free Covid tests

ALSO:



and asked him about, Putin wanting 2 regions



Johnson Said on Ukraine its against the Law

[UserSince2005]

The Ukrainians gave up their nukes for guaranteed sovereignty, its a disgrace, this invasion has been happening since 2014.

[arista]

ITV Peston


Said on Ukraine
surely it is time for sanctions to start?




Johnson said we have to see what happens in those 2 Regions.

[arista]

The Ukrainians gave up their nukes for guaranteed sovereignty, its a disgrace, this invasion has been happening since 2014.


Yes Obama's Fault

[arista]

Rigby SkyNewsHD

Asked the PM
does he think War will start.



The PM said he does not know what is in Putin's mind
he hopes he will row back

[bots]

i think the world is kidding themselves if they think russia are going to stop invading ukraine unless we take action. We need to apply the sanctions now

[arista]

i think the world is kidding themselves if they think russia are going to stop invading ukraine unless we take action. We need to apply the sanctions now


Johnson will not until Boots on the ground

[bots]

putin is sending in "peace keeping troops" to the rebel held areas .... that's invasion

[arista]

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[arista]

[Ukraine live updates:
Ukrainian president: 'We will not give anything
to anyone' after Russia's
'blatant violation of international law']

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-live-updates-satellite-images-show-new-russia-deployments-as-biden-and-putin-summit-mooted-12541713

[bots]

the russian tanks are in the rebel areas now

video at https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-tanks-and-armoured-personnel-carriers-near-donetsk-reuters-witness-12548426

Columns of military vehicles including tanks and armoured personnel carriers have been seen on the outskirts of Donetsk, the capital of one of two breakaway regions of eastern Ukraine, according to a Reuters witness.

No insignia were visible, but the appearance of the vehicles came hours after Putin signed friendship treaties with the two separatist regions and ordered Russian troops to deploy on what Moscow called a peacekeeping operation.

Reuters reporters in Donetsk had not seen tanks on the streets in previous days.

[UserSince2005]

He’s such a sneaky little man.
Nord Stream 2 must end now. This meets the criteria.

[Nicky91]

Russia aren't going to invade Ukraine, they don't want to go to war


and it are indeed peace troops like they say, to prevent further bloodshed in the donetsk, lugansk regions, since the Ukrainian government has the intent to invade those regions with help from the west


so they are simply protecting those two regions, keeping citizens homes safe rather than their citizens having to flee into russian territory

[bots]

nicky, you are talking complete rubbish, you are making yourself look very foolish by supporting a mad man against all the actual evidence.

I think as you take the opposite view to the norm on every subject you are basically just trolling. This is a very serious time now and your comments are just not appropriate anymore

[Alf]

nicky, you are talking complete rubbish, you are making yourself look very foolish by supporting a mad man against all the actual evidence.

I think as you take the opposite view to the norm on every subject you are basically just trolling. This is a very serious time now and your comments are just not appropriate anymoreNo he isn't talking rubbish. The western leaders and media are the ones talking rubbish as the always do. But you continue to believe every word they tell you.

Putin won't be invading Ukraine. I'll bet you.

[bots]

he already has invaded, so bang goes that assertion

[Alf]

he already has invaded, so bang goes that assertionNo he hasn't. Show me.

[Nicky91]

nicky, you are talking complete rubbish, you are making yourself look very foolish by supporting a mad man against all the actual evidence.

I think as you take the opposite view to the norm on every subject you are basically just trolling. This is a very serious time now and your comments are just not appropriate anymore

i also follow some evidence


Ukraine wanted to invade those two specific regions, and Zelensky continuing with his ''sad victim act'' which of course UK, USA easily fall for, because of the neverending stereotype that russia are always seen as the villains


what was russia supposed to do then, allow the ukrainian government to march into those regions, and possibly murdering lots of people, destroying lots of homes, we can't have people fleeing their homes into russian territory, Putin is right to defend these people's homes, and recognize those two regions their independence

[Alf]

The biggest question you should be asking yourself is why are none of the Western leaders such as Biden and Johnson saying absolutely nothing about what Trudeau is doing to his people, but yet you can't shut them up about Putins alleged activities?

[Nicky91]

The biggest question you should be asking yourself is why are none of the Western leaders such as Biden and Johnson saying absolutely nothing about what Trudeau is doing to his people, but yet you can't shut them up about Putins alleged activities?

because Putin can do nothing right in their eyes

[Alf]

Putin has invaded Ukraine to take two bits of territory he already had.

Yeah right! That makes sense.

[Alf]

But while you're focused on this we can slowly and quietly make Covid disappear like it never even happened.

[arista]

UK has started Phase One
of New Sanctions.


Johnson PM
is to speak in Parliament at 12:30PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

Russia is having a nightmare with covid. NO new hospitals have been built since 2008, unless you know someone or bribe someone you cant get to a hospital.

This Ukraine malarky stops Russian people realising how fckd up their glorious country is.

[Alf]

uk has started phase one
of new sanctions.


Johnson pm
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[bots]

this isnt just about ukraine, this is about retaking all of what was the soviet union. There will be a fairly large section of the population in favour of this because they have been indoctrinated since birth that their poor standards of living are all the fault of the west

I think a lot of people in the west don't understand how serious this situation is

[Oliver_W]

I've been reading Watchmen recently, and one of the subsubplots is how people are worried about WWIII because of Russia's attacks on the 'Stans.

Would any of those old enough to remember the 80s say those goings-on did make it feel like war was imminent?Did it feel the same then as now?

[arista]

Yes Alf
Putin can soon turn the Gas off,
once he invades.

[arista]

I've been reading Watchmen recently, and one of the subsubplots is how people are worried about WWIII because of Russia's attacks on the 'Stans.

Would any of those old enough to remember the 80s say those goings-on did make it feel like war was imminent?Did it feel the same then as now?


I love the Watchman Film
and the TV series

[bots]

I've been reading Watchmen recently, and one of the subsubplots is how people are worried about WWIII because of Russia's attacks on the 'Stans.

Would any of those old enough to remember the 80s say those goings-on did make it feel like war was imminent?Did it feel the same then as now?

the soviet union was on it's knees in the 80's so not a realistic threat. The late 60's and 70's were very dangerous times

[arista]

The Irish Leader
is Live in Berlin

With Olaf
the German Leader
Press asking about Ukraine


SkyNewsHD


BBCnewsHD did not have a translator
so left it.
Pathetic

[arista]

Olaf

has Halted Nord 2 Gas Stream from Russia.

[bots]

Olaf

has Halted Nord 2 Gas Stream from Russia.

good man, i wondered if he would go through with it.

[arista]

good man, i wondered if he would go through with it.



Yes
Olaf said he is going to import Hydrogen from other nations.

[user104658]

I've been reading Watchmen recently, and one of the subsubplots is how people are worried about WWIII because of Russia's attacks on the 'Stans.

Would any of those old enough to remember the 80s say those goings-on did make it feel like war was imminent? Did it feel the same then as now?

I'm not old enough to remember however the Soviet Union (pre-80's) was a legitimate global power in a way that modern Russia is currently not and I imagine the looming whisper of nuclear war was quite worrying throughout the Cold War era.

However.

You then have to factor in that the internet did not exist in any meaningful form until the late 90's, and mass adoption of everyday internet use/social media until later still, so people weren't as "immersed in the news" as we are now. I think that must make a huge difference. News used to be scary when you read about it and then you could put it to the back of your mind. These days it just pops up to whack you in the face again every 2 minutes. Which is actually really unhealthy.

[Zizu]

Yes Alf
Putin can soon turn the Gas off,
once he invades.


Presumably everyone knew that would be a possibility and have made contingency plans ??


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[arista]

Presumably everyone knew that would be a possibility and have made contingency plans ??




Germany has the Big change
as they Halt the Nord 2 Gas Stream that was to be Direct from Russia.


No Direct Gas from Russia.

[Germany's Olaf said he is going to import Hydrogen from other nations.]

[Zizu]

Germany has the Big change
as they Halt the Nord 2 Gas Stream that was to be Direct from Russia.


No Direct Gas from Russia.

[Germany's Olaf said he is going to import Hydrogen from other nations.]


Hopefully we have made adequate provisions for any and every eventuality.

I bet we start reopening coal mines !!


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[arista]

Johnson Is Live In Parliament Now


Still seeking a Solution
but accepts, Russia may go ahead.

[arista]

Hopefully we have made adequate provisions for any and every eventuality.

I bet we start reopening coal mines !!



Sadly Not

Gas prices are going Up

[arista]

Tim Marshall has said
USA and UK Embassy staff are now leaving.

[Zizu]

Sadly Not

Gas prices are going Up


As long as we actually HAVE some gas I’ll be happy


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[arista]

In Parliament

Starmer wants RT HD Ch taken down.
He backs the PM




Virgin media has already taken RT HD off their Channels
a long time ago

[bots]

We get the majority of our gas from norway, we are not reliant on russia at all

[arista]

We get the majority of our gas from norway, we are not reliant on russia at all


Thats not right
we get 5% from Russia.



[Russia only provides about 5% of the UK's gas supplies,
so it's less reliant on Russian imports than other European countries.]

On this link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/58888451

[bots]

5% is not a reliance

[Zizu]

We get the majority of our gas from norway, we are not reliant on russia at all


Excellent .. just their ‘new’ prices to be concerned about


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[arista]

5% is not a reliance


Sure
But it is still 5% of Russian Gas.

[arista]

Excellent .. just their ‘new’ prices to be concerned about




Yes in April
some will have their prices Doubled.
That is shocking

[Beso]

We get the majority of our gas from norway, we are not reliant on russia at all

But where does Norway get theirs from??

[user104658]

But where does Norway get theirs from??

...the ground...

[Cherie]

...the ground...

That made me laugh

[arista]

Shell and BP
are in Russia.

[BP has been operating in Russia for 30 years.]

[Does Shell operate in Russia?
Of all the energy companies working in Russia today,
Shell actually has the most diversified portfolio.]

The PM has not touched them

[James]

Germany has the Big change
as they Halt the Nord 2 Gas Stream that was to be Direct from Russia.


No Direct Gas from Russia.

[Germany's Olaf said he is going to import Hydrogen from other nations.]

Hopefully we have made adequate provisions for any and every eventuality.

I bet we start reopening coal mines !!


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I remember when Germany abandoned Nuclear Power after Fukishima.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/22/14/54507187-0-image-m-20_1645541077378.jpg

[arista]

From Private Eye

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMMpe4HWUAYr1eF?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Putin is Live on Both news channels

He is taking questions from his press

[arista]

EU has now done Sanctions on Russia



As if Putin cares

[UserSince2005]

EU has now done Sanctions on Russia



As if Putin cares

A slap on the wrist.

Why not increase the sanctions every day that Russian forces are occupying ukraine?

Didnt work with Crimea why would it work now?

[bots]

they will hold the blocking of access to the swift system back as the ultimate stick. If that is applied, russia will certainly feel the effects. Everything else, they can deal with

[arista]

Ursula von de Leyen European Commission president
was Live on Both news


She will take further action.

[bots]

russia are pulling out all their diplomatic staff from ukraine

[Alf]

Breaking: Putin has declared martial law, crushed protests, and seized opposition bank accounts.

Oh no sorry, that was Trudeau. My mistake, carry on.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/22/17/54515371-0-image-a-1_1645552540245.jpg

[arista]

President Biden Is Now Live

All Media

[Beso]

How weak does biden look and sound.

[Alf]

how weak does biden look and sound.1496202661196140549

[Beso]

People should be very very worried.

[Crimson Dynamo]

im fed up every day hearing from the msm

omg Russia is about to invade :omgno:

its been a month of this now

[bots]

the sanctions arent going to change putins mind. They need hit the powerful and the wealthy where it hurts so that they tell putin to stop or get rid of him

[michael21]

Is there going to be a war what thus all about

[Beso]

Big mistake to block peoples access to cash and assets in the uk
.


It opens London up to be a target, now that no russian can expect his nice house to be off limits.

[Beso]

I pity any new mothers and fathers.

[Kizzy]

I blame Brexit. .. I know that's a typically leftie thing to say but it really has destabilised Europe and the west, I'd go as far as to say it was a plot to align closer with Russia.

[UserSince2005]

I blame trump. he should rigged the election and avoid this power vacuum situation we are in now.

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[Alf]

Why the silence over Biden's link with Ukraine?



1496382029998473216

[arista]

David Lammy Labour Shadow Foreign Secretary
wants Russia taken out of the Banking group Swift
(Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication).

[bots]

removing swift will cripple russia, but that will be a last resort sanction because it has the potential to escalate the conflict out of control

[Nicky91]

what was Russia then supposed to do, allow Zelensky to march into those regions and who knows how many deaths would've come from that


Biden just shut up :rolleyes: i really can't hear another word from him anymore



the only ones who will make this escalate out of control are the US, UK, and the stupid NATO and the morons over at the EU



Russia hasn't invaded Zelensky's ukrainian territory, just the pro-russian regions, and since they are pro russia Putin has full rights to defend those regions when necessary, and since Zelensky has been so eager of wanting to take Donetsk, Lugansk (since some citizens were already fleeing into russia) well we cannot allow people's homes to get destroyed over there


but yeah Putin is the villain, always has been in the eyes of the west (so i am not surprised at all with all this finger pointing with their so called evidence)


like omg panzers are in those regions umm lol of course to make a decent line of defence, hard to penetrate by western forces



as if Putin wants to go to war :idc:

[bots]

Get your facts right Nicky. Those areas are part of Ukraine sovereign territory. Agreed and signed up to by putin in 2014. At that time he made a binding commitment not to interfere in those regions

[arista]

"as if Putin wants to go to war "


Nicky
he has started one
his troops invaded Ukraine.


Like When Hitler
invaded Poland on
1st Sept 1939


Both the Same
Both said they would not

[user104658]

removing swift will cripple russia, but that will be a last resort sanction because it has the potential to escalate the conflict out of control

Does make you wonder how long all of this has been rumbling and how many recent global events are connected, though.

The reason they won't impose sanctions on SWIFT are that Russian oil and gas are critical to the economic function of Europe. However, as pointed out the other day, the UK itself is far less reliant on Russian natural resources than other European nations.

And "conveniently" ... the UK recently left the EU, putting up a massive wall of economic protection between ourselves and the EU We would obviously still be hugely affected, but FAR less than if we were still one of the EU lynch pins.

[Alf]

"as if Putin wants to go to war "


Nicky
he has started one
his troops invaded Ukraine.


Like When Hitler
invaded Poland on
1st Sept 1939


Both the Same
Both said they would notOr when Bush and Blair invaded Iraq.

[arista]

If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine they'd have done it by now. They won't be invading.

This is probably something to do with The Clinton foundation. Ukraine are the single largest doners to the Clinton foundation.

Alfs 12/11/21 post


Alf, You were Wrong
they have invaded.

[arista]

Or when Bush and Blair invaded Iraq.

Yes Criminal.

[Alf]

Alfs 12/11/21 post


Alf, You were Wrong
they have invaded.Got any footage?

[arista]

Got any footage?


Russian Troops moved into 2 Regions
(Invasion you stupidly got wrong)
Footage was on Every Bloody News

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/22/pictures-russian-troops-tanks-enter-ukraine/




Feel The Force

[bots]

Does make you wonder how long all of this has been rumbling and how many recent global events are connected, though.

The reason they won't impose sanctions on SWIFT are that Russian oil and gas are critical to the economic function of Europe. However, as pointed out the other day, the UK itself is far less reliant on Russian natural resources than other European nations.

And "conveniently" ... the UK recently left the EU, putting up a massive wall of economic protection between ourselves and the EU We would obviously still be hugely affected, but FAR less than if we were still one of the EU lynch pins.

there is so much complexity in it. Going back to Tony Blairs labour, he welcomed the dodgy wealthy russians into the country and the tories just continued it. From that point forward, politicians actions and agenda has been compromised


The other thing with sanctions is timing. Blasting a load of sanctions won't stop him invading, but ukraine is unlikely to be like the afghan collapse. It's going to be a long bloody war. As the body bags mount up returning to russia, applying sanctions at that point can be much more effective

[user104658]

You can't really say it's not an invasion "because the people there are Russian loyalists" ... that would be like Catalonia in Spain inviting a foreign nation to set up base in Barcelona and declare that it's "not an invasion of Spain" because "Catalonia is 80%+ separatist".

[arista]

boasted of hypersonic weapons ]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542157/Ukraine-crisis-Putin-says-Russian-security-non-negotiable-amid-fears-war-imminent.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/08/54541557-0-image-a-23_1645605563924.jpg
[Ukrainian firefighters attempt to put out a blazing house
in the village of Muratovo, close to the frontlines
with pro-Moscow rebels in Luhansk,
after it was shelled overnight]

[arista]

One For Alf:

[Trump says Putin's invasion plan was
'GENIUS', praises 'savvy' move to send
the 'strongest peacekeeping force in
the world' to take over Ukrainian breakaway
regions and says US should do
the same at the southern border]


[If properly handled, there was absolutely
no reason that the situation currently
happening in Ukraine should have
happened at all,' Trump said
'The weak sanctions are insignificant
relative to taking over a country and
a massive piece of strategically located
land,' Trump added
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday
sent troops into the pro-Russian regions of
Luhansk and Donetsk as he declared those
regions independent
Biden imposed some new sanctions
on Monday prohibiting trade with the
Kremlin-backed regions
The president is expected to announced more
sanctions Tuesday
Republicans and Democrats urged Biden to use
every sanction in his arsenal
before Putin fully invades]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10540419/Trump-says-Putins-invasion-plan-GENIUS.html

[Nicky91]

One For Alf:

[Trump says Putin's invasion plan was
'GENIUS', praises 'savvy' move to send
the 'strongest peacekeeping force in
the world' to take over Ukrainian breakaway
regions and says US should do
the same at the southern border]


[If properly handled, there was absolutely
no reason that the situation currently
happening in Ukraine should have
happened at all,' Trump said
'The weak sanctions are insignificant
relative to taking over a country and
a massive piece of strategically located
land,' Trump added
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday
sent troops into the pro-Russian regions of
Luhansk and Donetsk as he declared those
regions independent
Biden imposed some new sanctions
on Monday prohibiting trade with the
Kremlin-backed regions
The president is expected to announced more
sanctions Tuesday
Republicans and Democrats urged Biden to use
every sanction in his arsenal
before Putin fully invades]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10540419/Trump-says-Putins-invasion-plan-GENIUS.html

and this ladies and gentlemen is why Trump should've still been the US president

he and Vladdy understand each other so well :flutter:

[arista]

USA Blinken
and Russia's Lavrov
were due to meet on Thursday

That has now been cancelled.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/23/us-says-blinken-cancels-meeting-with-lavrov

[arista]

['We kicked Russia's backside
before... we can do it again': Astonishing moment
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace
claims Putin 'has gone full Tonto' and
hails Britain's 'success' in the
Crimean war - as troops nervously laugh]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542729/Ben-Wallace-claims-Putin-gone-tonto-Ukraine-crisis.html

[bots]

priti didn't look impressed at his choice of words

[user104658]

The Crimean War ffs! Britain was still an Empire and we were practically using muskets! What next? Italy piping up "We're coming to conquer Britain! We did it in 43AD and we can do it again!"

[Beso]

Since the begining the west and especially Boris have used inflammatory words when describing their sanctions..

Boris was on about "first bombardment of sanctions" just the other day.

Hes been described as churchill like in the past, I'm sure hes wetting his pants at the thought of using words like, volley, and salvo, in the future.

[bots]

The Crimean War ffs! Britain was still an Empire and we were practically using muskets! What next? Italy piping up "We're coming to conquer Britain! We did it in 43AD and we can do it again!"

well britain isnt a valid country, it would be nothing without rome :laugh:

[Beso]

well britain isnt a valid country, it would be nothing without rome :laugh:

We would have roads by now.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

The Crimean War ffs! Britain was still an Empire and we were practically using muskets! What next? Italy piping up "We're coming to conquer Britain! We did it in 43AD and we can do it again!"


Muskets it is then ... onwards and upwards


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[Zizu]

We would have roads by now.


I bet the roads were better in Roman days than they are now in parts of Gtr Manchester


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMTgJ_7XwAcSt0m?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Beso]

If Putin don't stop, are you willing to allow, or accept full blown war?

Remember it wont stop in Ukraine, if you answer.

[UserSince2005]

i remember a few short little men who just wouldnt stop from my history books. it never ended well.

[Zizu]

https://www.facebook.com/100007093050416/posts/3558851167694617/?sfnsn=scwspwa&wa_logging_event=video_play_open


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[UserSince2005]

I feel like putin is a man whos into edging. He such a slow little tease.

[arista]

[Explosions are heard near Ukraine port city of Mariupol:
Fears shelling is under way as residents
are awoken by 3.30am
blasts 30 miles from Russian border hours after
warnings Putin was 'ready to go' with invasion]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/24/02/54549033-10545389-Putin_has_recognised_two_areas_in_eastern_Ukraine_ as_independent-a-26_1645669596412.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10545389/BREAKING-NEWS-Explosions-heard-Ukraine-port-city-Mariupol.html


SkyNewsHD
showed Young and Old joining the Ukraine Army.


BBC2HD Newsnight Report
showed a Russian TV map
The 2 regions he (Putin) has
were given to Russia by Lenin.
(The ramblings of Putin on Monday)

And Nato has not drawn a red line


Under the State Of Emergency
Ukraine Troops can Kill Russian troops

[UserSince2005]

Putin has just confirmed he's invading.

[UserSince2005]

So many people are going to die :cry:

[UserSince2005]

artillery heard in kyiv

[UserSince2005]

I'm disgusted

[Denver]

Blow up the whole of Russia and just be done with it, nobody wants them and the world will be better without them

[arista]

Putin has just confirmed he's invading.


Yes Confirmed in the NYC
United Nations Live


All Media.

SkyNewsHD
has their Lady Reporter Debra
Live in Kyiv



CNN HD and FoxNewsHD
both have reporters there
and have been reporting missiles
landing near the capital.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/24/03/54583425-0-image-m-24_1645674024646.jpg



It's 6AM there now


Putin orders invasion, saying he wants to 'demilitarize'
and not occupy Ukraine and tells opposition soldiers
to lay down their arms - in 5.50am address to his nation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10545389/BREAKING-NEWS-Explosions-heard-Ukraine-port-city-Mariupol.html

[arista]

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD Live Reporter
said the Bombing could be at the Airport
near Kyiv.

Ukraine will soon go into Marshall Law

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMVWwnwXoAASI1W?format=jpg&name=small


The British Reporter for CNN HD
moving location.
Photo from Twitter

[UserSince2005]

SkyNewsHD Live Reporter
said the Bombing could be at the Airport
near Kyiv.

Ukraine will soon go into Marshall Law

There are two international airports in kyiv. They have gone for the large one which is way out of the city it’s a good 20 mins in an Uber through forest before you start getting the outskirts of kyiv.

[bots]

The invasion is underway. Good luck ukraine

[Alf]

The invasion is underway. Good luck ukraineAny footage.

There must be some citizens there that have a phone with a camera and access to social media?


Beware of false flags


What is the leader of Ukraine saying?

[bots]

some times you are a real idiot Alf

[Alf]

some times you are a real idiot AlfSo that's a no then, you don't have any footage. But you make wild claims which you can't prove.

Who told you, was it the television box?

[Alf]

Didn't Hunter Biden have some kind of connection with Ukraine, where he became very rich?

Isn't Ukraine a money laundering place for the deep state?

I know that The Clinton foundations biggest donations come from Ukraine.

You ever played dot to dot where you have to join the dots together?

[Alf]

I'll ask you Arista, because you'll try to answer me instead of calling me an idiot.

What has the Ukraine leader been saying? We know what Western leaders have said, what about the Ukraine leader? Has he given any press briefings?

[Alf]

Here's some footage for you.

BBC

Take Note of the word "appears" which means that they're not sure but they're gonna show it anyway.


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[Nicky91]

some times you are a real idiot Alf

+100

[MTVN]

Horrific, feel terrified for all the innocent people there whose lives are now at risk because of one man's obsession with power and his warped view of history

Sadly I think things look very bleak and Ukraine's means of resistance will be massively inadequate if they're fighting this on their own

[Nicky91]

make Zelensky president for life pls, what a legend



pls some drone strikes from US at Russia :fc:

[MTVN]

I'll ask you Arista, because you'll try to answer me instead of calling me an idiot.

What has the Ukraine leader been saying? We know what Western leaders have said, what about the Ukraine leader? Has he given any press briefings?

The amount of time you spend asking questions on here you could find the answer yourself on literally any news channel or website in the world

[Nicky91]

Murder Putin and soon, US

[thesheriff443]

The amount of time you spend asking questions on here you could find the answer yourself on literally any news channel or website in the world

That’s not how Alf chooses to do things.

He gets his kicks by questioning everything and every one.

[Alf]

The amount of time you spend asking questions on here you could find the answer yourself on literally any news channel or website in the worldI've found the answers. I'm just testing whether you have.

What I get from your post here is. Don't question anything, just accept what people with invested interests tell you and shut up.

[thesheriff443]

I've found the answers. I'm just testing whether you have.

What I get from your post here is. Don't question anything, just accept what people with invested interests tell you and shut up.

None of us on this forum has got a invested interest in that tragic situation

All we care about is the innocent people that will be killed because of a deluded power obsessed psychopath.

It’s history repeating itself, it’s another hitler.

[Nicky91]

None of us on this forum has got a invested interest in that tragic situation

All we care about is the innocent people that will be killed because of a deluded power obsessed psychopath.

It’s history repeating itself, it’s another hitler.

yup absolutely agree

[Alf]

None of us on this forum has got a invested interest in that tragic situation

All we care about is the innocent people that will be killed because of a deluded power obsessed psychopath.

It’s history repeating itself, it’s another hitler.Or another Tony Blair? Or was it different when he illegally invaded Iraq? Was it OK when he did it? It seems so because he's still given a platform on our national TV stations.

What's he doing now? He's encouraging everyone to inject themselves and calling them idiots if they don't?

[user104658]

I actually agree that (if we're talking a sliding scale) it's probably more appropriate to compare Putin's current actions to Blair than to Hitler.

However that's still a huge problem and extremely concerning, and frankly far more dangerous because (elephant in the room) the Middle East has been in perpetual conflict for a long time so no one really cares when wars kick off there.

A war on Europe's doorstep is a very different beast.

[thesheriff443]

Or another Tony Blair? Or was it different when he illegally invaded Iraq? Was it OK when he did it? It seems so because he's still given a platform on our national TV stations.

What's he doing now? He's encouraging everyone to inject themselves and calling them idiots if they don't?

If you look at shilcot report that investigated Blair’s decision to invade

He was give a rushed verbal account of the situation by mi5/mi6 and added to the fact that he felt he needed to back bush out of a misguided sense of loyalty

The bigger picture is that in the first invasion of Iraq the us troops should of went in and if not killed sadam Hussain he should of been put in prison and not allowed to stay in power

Russia is a ticking time bomb.

[MTVN]

It's a country trying to reclaim historical territory which is exactly what Hitler was doing so the comparison is very apt imo. Remember Hitler said he had no more territorial claims in Europe after the Sudetenland just like at first Putin was going to stop at Crimea, then it was just Donetsk and Luhansk, now it's the whole country

Thank god the other baltic countries are already Nato members