Russian Invasion of the Ukraine - The Official WW3 Thread

[arista]

[Russia Cuts electricity to Finland:
Moscow-run state energy company says it will
stop supplying Helsinki tomorrow over
'payment issues' amid tensions over NATO]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10814175/Russia-CUTS-electricity-Finland.html

[Zizu]

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[Toy Soldier]

[Russia Cuts electricity to Finland:
Moscow-run state energy company says it will
stop supplying Helsinki tomorrow over
'payment issues' amid tensions over NATO]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10814175/Russia-CUTS-electricity-Finland.html

"The Finnish electricity network operator said it would be able
to make do without Russian electricity.

'We're prepared for this and it won't be difficult. We can make do
with a bit more imports from Sweden and Norway,' Fingrid's manager
for operational planning Timo Kaukonen told AFP.

He said a little less than 10 percent of electricity consumed in Finland
comes from Russia."

You don't arf sensationalise your snippets arista; you made it sound like Finland was going to be blacked out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Combat use of a Javelin against a Russian tank

https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=r5robv

[ThomasC]

Why is the thread title, 'official ww3'.

Offensive and a load of nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is the thread title, 'official ww3'.

Offensive and a load of nonsense.

yes it should be changed

its way beyond the pale

[Sticks]

Well if NATO were foolish to get involved it will be WW3

If only Finland and Sweden could have someone talk sense to them. Lets hope Turkey comes through and vetoes their membership application.

Do not antagonise Putin!!!

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Zelensky can host it too, i mean he is also a comedian/entertainer next to president, and he himself won a entertainment competition too, ukrainian version of DWTS

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[ThomasC]

yes it should be changed

its way beyond the pale

Indeed.

Well if NATO were foolish to get involved it will be WW3

If only Finland and Sweden could have someone talk sense to them. Lets hope Turkey comes through and vetoes their membership application.

Do not antagonise Putin!!!

NATO will not get involved because Ukraine and Russia are not part of NATO.

NATO would only get involved if Putin took it further out into a NATO country.

You may then just have a WW3.

[MTVN]

Some of the wounded have been evacuated from the Azovstal plant in Mariupol now to DPR territory. It sounds like all the remaining troops might finally be surrendering

[MTVN]

One of the commanders left there published a video this evening saying the following

The defenders of Mariupol carried out their orders, despite all odds, held strong against the overwhelming forces of the enemy for 82 days and allowed the Ukrainian Army to regroup, train more personnel, and receive countless weapon shipments from allied countries.

No weapon will work without a professional behind it, which makes them the most valuable element of the army.

In order to save lives, the entire Mariupol garrison is implementing the decision approved by the Supreme Military Command, and is hoping for the support of the Ukrainian people.

[MTVN]

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[arista]

Yes clever of the Russians
to agree
I mean, they need their killers (troops) back

[bots]

I read somewhere today from a uk defence commentator that the war is basically won for ukraine .... i thought it was a bit early to be saying that, but i think the russian leadership, and the pro russian fighters in ukraine are very much starting to change their tone

[arista]

No Exchanges yet?


Ch4HDNews Live

[Sticks]

No Exchanges yet?


Ch4HDNews Live

Because from what I have heard, the Ukrainians are to be treated as Nazi war criminals and obviously put on trial for war crimes.

[Sticks]

See this link (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61461805?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6283e17d01eea2774308ef1e%26What%20happ ens%20next%20to%20the%20defenders%20of%20Azovstal% 3F%262022-05-17T18%3A02%3A58.875Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:cb07a961-4b2a-4fc4-b6a9-f2cb07324c00&pinned_post_asset_id=6283e17d01eea2774308ef1e&pinned_post_type=share) on the BBC website

[bots]

if russia start playing games, all their soldiers will be tried for war crimes

[Alf]

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[arista]

[Ukraine refugees homeless in UK
after falling out with hosts,
say community groups]


[Community leaders said such incidents were
happening among typically well-meaning hosts
who may have failed to anticipate the enormity
of the commitment until refugees arrived in
their homes,
adding to the stress and trauma of the newcomers.]


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/17/homes-for-ukraine-refugees-being-left-homeless-uk



Yes Alf they will always be some
that do not fit in.

[Toy Soldier]

Upper-middle class white hosts who thought there wouldn't be a culture difference between themselves and Ukrainians because people from Ukraine are also white (the only reason they took them in in the first place).

There are, in fact, of course some quite significant cultural differences and now half of those Concerned Citizens want their spare room back. Gregory needs a 2nd office - he has study leave don't you know!

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

Whoops a daisy


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[MTVN]

This was one of the last guys to surrender from the steel works in Mariupol today, his tweet reads:

"Well, that's all. Thanks for the shelter, Azovstal is the place of my death and my life"

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Putin HAS ‘had cancer' but 'has licked it' says
Hollywood director Oliver Stone who
spent years shadowing the
Russian leader - after ex-MI6 spy described
'increasing disarray' in the Kremlin
with President needing regular treatment
DURING meetings]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10840221/Vladimir-Putins-grip-power-fading-amid-increasing-disarray-Kremlin-claims-ex-spy.html

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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I could never , never understand how taking refugees into your house / home was ever gonna work long term .

Maybe for a couple of days but after that things would get complicated


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[arista]

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[bots]

a friend of mine in Russia told me that their brother has just been conscripted to fight in Ukraine. That's a pretty good indicator that russia is failing miserably

[Cherie]

I could never , never understand how taking refugees into your house / home was ever gonna work long term .

Maybe for a couple of days but after that things would get complicated


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I heard some woman the other day on a phone in saying she didnt realise what would be involved and all the help they would need and that she regretted doing it, I think alot when into it with rose tints but having strangers in your home long term particularly when you dont share the same language could very quickly become problematic

[arista]

Russia has made gains in the Donbas area

Ch4HDnews reported

[Toy Soldier]

I heard some woman the other day on a phone in saying she didnt realise what would be involved and all the help they would need and that she regretted doing it, I think alot when into it with rose tints but having strangers in your home long term particularly when you dont share the same language could very quickly become problematic


Traumatised strangers who have just had to abandon their homes, too. A lot of them probably have incoming PTSD… will have left behind family… friends… may never see many of them again etc.

It won’t be as simple as some will have been expecting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I heard some woman the other day on a phone in saying she didnt realise what would be involved and all the help they would need and that she regretted doing it, I think alot when into it with rose tints but having strangers in your home long term particularly when you dont share the same language could very quickly become problematic

one young blonde woman from Ukraine has already stolen one woman's husband!"

[Toy Soldier]

one young blonde woman from Ukraine has already stolen one woman's husband!"


Zizu’s poor wife :worry:

[Zizu]

Zizu’s poor wife :worry:


:)


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[arista]

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[arista]

[Fighting in the Donbas area of eastern Ukraine
is at maximum intensity and is "escalating",
Ukraine's deputy defence minister says
Russians are storming Ukrainian
positions in several areas
simultaneously, Hanna Maliar adds
Shelling kills seven people in the centre
of the country's second city, Kharkiv
The cities of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk
in the Donbas earlier came under
intense bombardment

Two captured Russian soldiers plead guilty
at Ukraine's second war crimes trial]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61593803

[arista]

SkyText :
[Daily Telegraph has obtained footage filmed
on a helmet-mounted camera in which a
Conservative MP's son,
fighting with Ukrainian soldiers,
helps save a fellow Briton maimed
by a landmine during an intense firefight.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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Russia has Gained more ground
Lyman now under Russia Total Control.


Reported on Ch4HDnews.


They showed Russian and Chechen Troops
together fighting
street be street.


It is a Slow advance
but still,
an advance.

[arista]

A New Docu on Putin (Putin's Obsession : The Fight for Ukraine)
SkyNewsHD
showing how he came into power.

Claims in 1999 the Russian Bomb attacks
were done by the FSB (Putin In charge)
then they destroyed Chechnya.
After being Prime Minister
he became the President of Russia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Vladimir_Putin_31_December_1999-3.jpg
Younger Putin
Evil as ever.

[arista]

[Vladimir Putin 'is given three years
to live by doctors' due to his
'rapidly progressing cancer', FSB spy claims]

[FSB spy warns Putin has
'no more than two to three years' left
amid ailing health
Russian strongman reportedly has a
'severe form of rapidly progressing cancer'
News of his deteriorating health
continue to leak from the Kremlin's inner circle
Fresh rumours of a new Kremlin succession
plan being installed have swirled]


Lets hope this is True


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10864599/Vladimir-Putin-three-years-live-rapidly-progressing-severe-cancer-FSB-claims.html

[bots]

rapidly progressing cancer doesn't take 3 years to kill you

[arista]

rapidly progressing cancer doesn't take 3 years to kill you


Then he should be dead
sooner
Assuming this report is correct?

[arista]

Zelensky visited the frontline in the Kharkiv region
where he spoke with troops and presented gifts.

Russia has fired Missiles in the zone he was in,
just reported.

Good Job
Zelensky got away,

[Sticks]

Why?

He is the one that forbade surrender to Russia

If Ukraine had surrendered, would we have seen so much bloodshed?

Analysts are now saying that Russia is getting its act together and is more likely to win.

[arista]

Why?

He is the one that forbade surrender to Russia

If Ukraine had surrendered, would we have seen so much bloodshed?

Analysts are now saying that Russia is getting its act together and is more likely to win.



They choose not to surrender
The War will go on, for years.

[arista]

Denmark is now having a Referendum
should they join the EU Security

[take part in EU defence and security policy.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61644663


https://www.npr.org/2022/05/31/1102097736/denmark-will-hold-a-referendum-on-eu-defense-amid-ukraine-war?t=1654099781962


Denmark will hold a referendum on EU defense amid Ukraine war

[Beso]

Why?

He is the one that forbade surrender to Russia

If Ukraine had surrendered, would we have seen so much bloodshed?

What we do know is, if russia hadnt invaded we would have seen absolutely zero bloodshed.

[arista]

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[arista]

[Ukraine war:
Zelensky says Russia controls a
fifth of Ukrainian territory]

[Zelensky says that Russian forces
have seized 20% of his country's territory,
as Moscow's invasion nears its 100th day.
Addressing lawmakers in Luxembourg,
he added that the front line extended
for more than 1,000km (621 miles).

"All combat-ready Russian military
formations are involved in this aggression,"
he told MPs via videolink.

Russian forces have been intensifying attacks
on the city of Severodonetsk in the
eastern Donbas region.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61675915

[arista]

12 Million Displaced

President Zelensky admits.

Many are now saying
Africa will run out of food
and they will move out.
All part of this War Mess.

[Sticks]

12 Million Displaced

President Zelensky admits.

Many are now saying
Africa will run out of food
and they will move out.
All part of this War Mess.

So maybe he should have surrendered earlier and save lives, rather than let Pride over rule his decisions. :nono:

[bots]

So maybe he should have surrendered earlier and save lives, rather than let Pride over rule his decisions. :nono:

change the broken record

[arista]

So maybe he should have surrendered earlier and save lives, rather than let Pride over rule his decisions. :nono:


Yes, sadly they did not fancy going under Putin control
and now with the USA supplying Faster Missiles Units
to Ukraine,
this war could go on for years.

[bots]

Yes, sadly they did not fancy going under Putin control
and now with the USA supplying Faster Missiles Units
to Ukraine,
this war could go on for years.

they have already been at war with Russia for 8 years

[arista]

they have already been at war with Russia for 8 years


Yes, in the Place that Russia
is now Firing loads of Missiles on
sadly hitting homes.

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[arista]

The Capitol Kyiv has had Missiles fired in it.
Fired from the Caspian Sea

Ch4HDnews


This is why next May
The Euro Music contest is stupid
to have it there


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61695244

[Nicky91]

The Capitol Kyiv has had Missiles fired in it.
Fired from the Caspian Sea

Ch4HDnews


This is why next May
The Euro Music contest is stupid
to have it there


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61695244

just nuke russia and be done with it

[arista]

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[bots]

the old McDonalds shops in russia have been rebranded

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[MTVN]

More original than I thought it'd be

[Toy Soldier]

the old McDonalds shops in russia have been rebranded

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I said this would happen - they'll be selling the exact same products too. Big Macski.

[MTVN]

Ben Wallace has visited Kyiv unannounced

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[arista]

Yes Good on Ben Wallace MP

[arista]

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD
good on Stuart Ramsey
who was shot last time.
Now well, back reporting from Ukraine

Sadly, Ukraine is running low on Ammo.


So the Russians are expanding in the Donbas.


Another Report
showed
Ukrainian Troops using Dogs on leads
as they sense the bombs when they are very close.

[Toy Soldier]

The elephant in the room of course is that if this doesn’t end soon, and we don’t start trading with Russia soon, we’re all utterly ****ed. I’m sorry but let’s call it as it is…

[arista]

The elephant in the room of course is that if this doesn’t end soon, and we don’t start trading with Russia soon, we’re all utterly ****ed. I’m sorry but let’s call it as it is…


No, it will not end
Russian Army have the Ammo and Missiles
to carry on.



The world will Suffer
until other markets trade in the food
we get from Ukraine/Russia

[arista]

[Young British soldier 'is killed fighting on frontline in Ukraine':
Family of ex serviceman who left Army
in March say he was shot dead
on battlefield in Severodonetsk]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/12/13/58977061-10908745-image-m-42_1655036450745.jpg
[Jordan Gatley, who left the British Army in March,
was reportedly killed on Friday]

A Sad Loss.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10908745/British-former-soldier-killed-fighting-frontline-Ukraine.html

[arista]

[Russia hands out passports in occupied Ukraine cities]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61770997

[Sticks]

Don't you mean occupied Russian cities

[arista]

Don't you mean occupied Russian cities

Of Course the BBC do
it is their headline


Not Mine



Tomorrow Front Pages will be the
the Now Dead UK troop fella.
Young Jordan Gatley
sad loss.

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[Alf]

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[arista]

Yes Alf it can all lead
to a Bigger War.

[Oliver_W]

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Is there a "tl;dr"' of his "revelations" ?

[arista]

[Ukraine war: Every bridge leading to key city
Severodonetsk destroyed]

All bridges to the embattled Ukrainian
city of Severodonetsk have now
been destroyed, the local governor says.
With the city effectively cut off, Serhiy Haidai says
delivering supplies and evacuating civilians
are now impossible.
Fierce fighting is taking place in the
eastern city where Ukrainian officials
said Russian artillery had driven its
forces out of the centre.
For weeks capturing Severodonetsk has
been a top military goal for Russia.

Taking Severodonetsk and the nearby city
of Lysychansk would give Moscow control
of the entire Luhansk region,
much of which is already controlled
by Russian-backed separatists.
All three bridges into Severodonetsk were destroyed,
Mr Haidai posted on Telegram.
Those residents remaining in the city
were being forced to survive in
"extremely difficult conditions", he added.

Former British soldier Jordan Gatley
is among those to have been killed
while fighting to defend the city,
his family confirmed on Sunday.
Ukraine's President Volodomyr Zelensky
described the human cost of the battle
for the city as "terrifying".
Ukrainian troops, he said,
had been fighting Russian forces
for "literally every metre".

Reports suggest that
about 70% of the city is now under
Russian control.]




I am sorry
but Russia is winning this War,
Slowly


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61786949

[arista]

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[A man walks through the yard
of a damaged house after shelling
in which two people were killed in Lysychansk]

[arista]

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[arista]

BBC text:
[A pledge from France, Germany, Italy and Romania
to back Ukraine for European Union candidate status,
a precursor to joining the EU.
The paper quotes French President Emmanuel Macron
on the four leaders' visit to Kyiv
saying: "Europe is at your side and will stay
there for as long as it take."]

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[bots]

its still more than 10 years away, so it's a pretty pointless statement

[arista]

its still more than 10 years away, so it's a pretty pointless statement


Those leaders
love to get photos with the Ukrainian Leader
as well.

[arista]

The Online Paper:

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[arista]

Johnson Prime Minister now in Ukraine,
meeting Zelensky, again


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[arista]

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[arista]

Biden is so Stupid
he just said Americans should not be there?



New Video show USA Fighters in Ukraine
captured by the Russians


On CNN HD

[bots]

Biden is so Stupid
he just said Americans should not be there?



New Video show USA Fighters in Ukraine
captured by the Russians


On CNN HD

Americans are not supposed to be there Arista, so how is that stupid? Biden made it quite clear at the start that America was not going to supply soldiers in ukraine, because it risks escalating it into a world war

[arista]

Americans are not supposed to be there Arista, so how is that stupid? Biden made it quite clear at the start that America was not going to supply soldiers in ukraine, because it risks escalating it into a world war


Stupid the way he spoke,


As if they may as well kill them?

[Toy Soldier]

Americans are not supposed to be there Arista, so how is that stupid? Biden made it quite clear at the start that America was not going to supply soldiers in ukraine, because it risks escalating it into a world war


American soldiers are not supposed to be there, private citizens with a passport however can travel where they want and once in that country can join that country’s forces if they want to and that country allows it…

…however… I personally don’t think it’s all that different to people going to Middle Eastern countries to join ISIS, in all honesty. The differences in political ideology are obvious, but the action itself is (largely) the same.

I have suspicions over the motivations for a lot of young men doing it too - I suspect most are looking for a legitimate way to play soldier rather than going there on a moral crusade.

The better trained ones that go, I think are most likely paid mercenaries.

[arista]

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[bots]

A British man sentenced to death by a Russian proxy court for fighting in Ukraine has been told the execution will be carried out, his family say.

Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner were sentenced by a court which is not internationally recognised, in the so-called Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

Mr Aslin told his family his captors said there had been no attempt by UK officials to negotiate on his behalf.

The foreign secretary discussed his case with Ukraine earlier in June.

Liz Truss said she and her Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba had spoken about "efforts to secure the release of prisoners of war held by Russian proxies" and has called the death sentences a "sham judgement with absolutely no legitimacy".

The Foreign Office is known to be actively investigating cases of British nationals who have been detained in Ukraine, and is providing support to the families of Mr Aslin and Mr Pinner.

Mr Aslin's family said they had spoken to him in a phone call in which he said he had been told "time is running out" by his captors.

"There are no words, just no words, it's got to be everyone's worst nightmare to have a member of your family threatened in this way", Mr Aslin's grandmother Pamela Hall told the BBC.

"Aiden was extremely upset when he called his mother this morning. The bottom line is Aiden has said the DPR has told him nobody from the UK has made contact, and that he will be executed."

"I have to believe what Aiden has said to us, that if the DPR don't get some response then they will execute him. Obviously I hope that isn't true."

Mr Aslin and Mr Pinner moved to Ukraine in 2018, and had served as part of Ukraine's armed forces for several years before the Russian invasion.

Both had Ukrainian partners and had made the country their home. They were captured after spending weeks defending the besieged city of Mariupol.

But the Russian-proxy court called them "mercenaries", accusing them of being sent to fighting in a foreign conflict for money.

They were charged with crimes including the violent seizure of power, and undergoing training to carry out terrorist activities, according to Russian news outlets RIA Novosti.

Earlier this month Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky told British students that what Russia was doing to the British pair was a "tragic habit" and said "there cannot be any justifications for such actions".

He said it was "a very powerful and dangerous signal" to other countries that Russia was "acting this way towards citizens of any country".

The UK government has said they should be treated as prisoners of war under the laws laid out in the Geneva Conventions.

"I have cried buckets over this, but crying doesn't help, I want do so something but I don't know what to do.

Ms Hall said: "After Aiden's call this morning what am I supposed to think? I don't want to lose heart but it's very hard."

"I can't help but think that contact should be made between the UK and Russia."

But UK government sources indicate that ministers are currently unwilling to negotiate with Russia directly because it may risk fuelling a false Russian narrative that the men are mercenaries.

Mr Aslin had shortly been due to marry his Ukrainian fiancée, who has come to the UK since his capture.

"He would have been married by now, it's something that I would have dearly loved. I want him to be married and have the life that he wanted," his grandmother said.

"I know that Boris Johnson has been over to Kyiv and spoken again to President Zelensky and I am hoping they spoke about these guys."

In recent weeks Mr Aslin and Mr Pinner have been mocked by presenters on pro-Kremlin television programmes in Russia, which have been showing videos of the men in captivity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61900291

[arista]

SkyNewsHD has tracked Stolen Ukrainian Grain

Russia is selling it to Turkey as Russian Grain,


Turkey is now looking into this.


https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearing-ships-russias-great-grain-plunder-12639463

[Nicky91]

sad that Putin isn't dead yet of parkinson's

:(

hopefully he will suffer a lot of that illness, cough up a lot of blood too hopefully

[Nicky91]

hopefully his ***** of a daughter will watch him die and hopefully she'll cry a lot

don't forget to keep your legs closed, Mariya you filthy *****

[arista]

sad that Putin isn't dead yet of parkinson's

:(

hopefully he will suffer a lot of that illness, cough up a lot of blood too hopefully


If he is ill
he will be on loads of meds

[Sticks]

If we must be tasteless, the better scenario would be that someone from the ranks of the Russian military over throws him in a coup and withdraws the military units back to Moscow to fight any pending civil war.

The only problem is there is no guarantee how such a person would view the west.

But this is not going to happen.

[arista]

[Russian rockets rain on Kyiv
for first time in three weeks: Missiles continue to
pound Ukrainian capital today
after many injured in overnight strike - as
desperate Putin plans to send
nuclear-capable arsenal to Belarus]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954061/Russian-rockets-rain-Kyiv-injured-missiles-pound-residential-block-capital.html

[bots]

it is inevitable that the ukraine war turns into a resistance fight at some point. It is only the bravery of the ukranians, the weapons they have been supplied with and the incompetence of the russian troops that has allowed a conventional war to last as long as it has

[arista]

[Ukraine news live: Several injured as
Russia attacks Kyiv for first time in weeks;
blasts in central city; G7 leaders gather in Germany]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-russian-pilot-captured-as-ukrainian-forces-have-to-be-withdrawn-from-severodonetsk-12541713

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/26/09/59534991-10954061-image-a-15_1656233009440.jpg
Russian President Vladimir Putin, left,
and Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko
shake hands during their meeting in
St. Petersburg yesterday,
when Putin agreed to send
Iskander nuclear-capable missiles to Belarus]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/26/09/59534925-10954061-image-a-5_1656232922973.jpg
[Firefighters worker to put out a fire as
smoke rises from a residential building
damaged by the Russian missile strikes
that rocked the city]

[arista]

[Ukraine war: UK joins ban on imports of Russian gold]


[The UK, US, Canada and Japan will
ban imports of Russian gold in an effort to
hit Moscow's ability to fund the war in Ukraine.
The UK PM said the move would
"strike at the heart of Putin's war machine".

Gold exports were worth £12.6bn ($15.4bn) to Russia in 2021,
and the UK says their importance has increased
since the invasion as oligarchs rush to
buy bullion to avoid sanctions.]

It comes as the G7 group of the
world's richest nations meet in Germany


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61941589

[arista]

USA is to do an Exchange
Prisoner Swap they may give Russian Arms Trafficker
for 2 USA citizens


Ref:CNN HD.

[The Slim Reaper]

Folks need to get round the table, as that's the only way to resolve this.

[bots]

there is zero prospect of them getting round the table at the moment, maybe in a year or 2

[Toy Soldier]

there is zero prospect of them getting round the table at the moment, maybe in a year or 2

At this point (not to go full Alf) but we're surely all aware that there's more to all of this than Russia/Ukraine. The conflict is not ending until the wheels of history that it's greasing require it to end.

[UserSince2005]

USA is to do an Exchange
Prisoner Swap they may give Russian Arms Trafficker
for 2 USA citizens


Ref:CNN HD.

is the basketball lesbian legend still locked up?

[bots]

At this point (not to go full Alf) but we're surely all aware that there's more to all of this than Russia/Ukraine. The conflict is not ending until the wheels of history that it's greasing require it to end.

economically, it makes sense for the west to continue to arm fanatic ukranians for as long as they can, because it will deplete Russia's capability to do it elsewhere

Financially, the current path is the least pain for the west

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15920/production/_125625388_guardian-nc.png

[arista]

The Online Paper:

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e2065b2a-1f80-43cf-90b1-359a0f23a4fb.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

Over 15 Killed by Evil Russia

1,000 in the shopping centre City of Kremenchuk

Busy shopping centre hit by Russian strike

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russian-missile-strike-on-shopping-centre-with-over-1-000-people-inside-in-city-of-kremenchuk-zelenskyy-says-12641299

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61941287

[arista]

Ch4HDnews showed a video
of the Evil Russian Missile Hit
a 1960 one,

[Sticks]

And if that Ukrainian president had taken up the US offer to get him out of the country, and he had allowed his people to surrender, then these needles deaths could have been avoided?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BBE0/production/_125669084_i-newspaper-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/46B0/production/_125669081_metro-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13110/production/_125669087_thetimes-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16568/production/_125669419_express-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E2F0/production/_125669085_telegraph-nc.png

[arista]

With over 1,000
in that shopping centre
the death toll is going up.

Ukraine still is waiting for the Nato Defence/USA Defence
that can shoot these missiles down
before they hit.


Ref: CNN HD/SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD/WION HD/
GBnewsHD "Headliners" one hour of newspapers.

[arista]

18 Murdered by that Putin Old missile
in the Shopping Centre,
now

[Sticks]

And would that have happened if Zolensky had surrendered at the beginning or taken up the US offer to get him out of there as Ukraine surrendered?

Would that have happened if the west had not butted in by offering weapons, instead of advising Zolensky to surrender, as Russia is a far superior opponent?

[arista]

And would that have happened if Zolensky had surrendered at the beginning or taken up the US offer to get him out of there as Ukraine surrendered?

Would that have happened if the west had not butted in by offering weapons, instead of advising Zolensky to surrender, as Russia is a far superior opponent?


Yes but he Did not


MOVE ON Sticks,

Right Now, Russia is Winning
By using unlimited Missile attacks


Zolensky will not give up
Russia will have to kill him, sadly

[Beso]

Strange timing, just as Britain announces it's new defence strategies.

[Toy Soldier]

And would that have happened if Zolensky had surrendered at the beginning or taken up the US offer to get him out of there as Ukraine surrendered?

Would that have happened if the west had not butted in by offering weapons, instead of advising Zolensky to surrender, as Russia is a far superior opponent?

Depends on whether you believe Russia's rhetoric (that they only ever wanted to annex Ukraine or part of Ukraine/to halt the expansion of NATO) or the Western rhetoric (that if taking Ukraine had been easy Russia would have quickly moved on to other targets, but will think twice because of the difficulty of the conflict).

Most likely neither are particularly accurate. We don't get to know what the real politics at play are.

[bots]

i think people are deluded if they think a resolution one way or the other in ukraine will be the end of it and we will all go back to a happy peace. We are avoiding direct involvement for the moment, but it's just a matter of time. My recommendation would be to enjoy what we have now, because it won't last long

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-82004552-c27d-4b50-b4fb-20f7415a8f3c.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWU5EDBXEAI5lkq?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/29/16/59676803-0-image-a-11_1656518302677.jpg

[Europe's new Iron Curtain:
The defences designed to keep Putin out
as Biden announces a
new permanent base in Poland
- while Sweden and Finland are formally
invited into alliance and
Russia blasts 'destabilising' move

US will send thousands more troops to Europe
along with fighter jets and ships to
help defend against Russia
Biden also announced first permanent
US military base will be created in
Poland - a move hailed by Warsaw
Finland and Sweden were also formally
invited to join the alliance,
after Turkey dropped its opposition
NATO has sent 4,000 extra troops to
eastern flank and will boost high-alert
force from 40,000 to 300,000]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10965319/NATOs-new-Iron-Curtain-alliance-commits-extra-troops-Madrid-summit.html

[Sticks]

This is provocative

I can not understand how Turkey caved in it's opposition to those countries joining NATO

[arista]

This is provocative

I can not understand how Turkey caved in it's opposition to those countries joining NATO


USA President Biden deals on F16 Fighter jets
for Turkey.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/AA50/production/_125700634_ft-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/36BA/production/_125701041_911e6787-7955-4e07-a068-fc430fadfd9a.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8728/production/_125700643_times-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D160/production/_125700635_i-newspaper-nc.png

[Alf]

Richard Branston has arrived. It was Ben Stiller last week.

Bob Geldof is odds on favourite to be next week's visitor followed by Gary Lineker as the second favourite.


1542245232330301440

[Alf]

Richard Branston has arrived. It was Ben Stiller last week.

Bob Geldof is odds on favourite to be next week's visitor followed by Gary Lineker as the second favourite.


1542245232330301440Me, I'm just waiting so patiently, lying on the floor. I'm just trying to do this jigsaw puzzle before it rains anymore.


1542272050387161089

[arista]

"Richard Branston has arrived"


Yes Alf
all big businesses are rushing to meet him.


Be funny
if the Russians kill him.

[Toy Soldier]

Me, I'm just waiting so patiently, lying on the floor. I'm just trying to do this jigsaw puzzle before it rains anymore.


1542272050387161089


To be fair it seems he was into a lot of dodgy **** above and beyond the sex trafficking so people in his contacts were not all NECESSARILY nonces. Not that it absolves them - I don’t think everyone flying in Epstein’s planes or sitting on his party island was directly involved in the abuse of young women, but I sure as heck believe that the vast majority of them knew it was going on and didn’t really care.

[bots]

the fact that the uk have just given the ok to handing ukraine another £1 billion in weapons with no increase in in our own defence spending for 3 years should tell everyone how they think the next few years are going to play out

[arista]

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/9f4f748bd3115bf19f99fa1cf09bd4e5?impolicy=wcms_cro p_resize&cropH=376&cropW=668&xPos=0&yPos=76&width=862&height=485


Snake Island
now free of Russians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Island_(Ukraine)

Putin says a gesture of Goodwill
they can have it back?


[Russia withdraws troops from Snake Island]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663

[Alf]

To be fair it seems he was into a lot of dodgy **** above and beyond the sex trafficking so people in his contacts were not all NECESSARILY nonces. Not that it absolves them - I don’t think everyone flying in Epstein’s planes or sitting on his party island was directly involved in the abuse of young women, but I sure as heck believe that the vast majority of them knew it was going on and didn’t really care.I know that. I didn't say they were all nonces.

Epstein and Maxwell would still be free and Andrew would still be doing his Royal duties if Trump hadn't have ran for President, that's for sure. And the reaction to Trump from the establishment, Hollywood and the media says to me they all know what was going on. The reaction to Trump running for President and being President was insane.

[arista]

Putin and Goodwill?

never

in before he has layed mines over there to blow several Ukrainians up once they return

:suspect: don't trust him would be my advice


I like the Goat that walked onto a Mine
Killing loads of Russian troops

[arista]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1542400005729828864

[arista]

18 people Killed
near Odesa by Russian Missiles


Times Radio DAB

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10971627/Russian-missile-strike-apartment-block-Odessa-kills-ten-Ukrainians.html

[arista]

Great new report on SkyNewsHD at Lysychansk
close to Russia.

Locals are angry at Zelensky
one old bloke has not got his pension for 5 months
he showed Alex Crawford
his bunker in the garden for him and his wife.


Around 15,000 public remain
many locals do not trust Zelensky
they prefer Russia.


Many old folks refuse to leave.


The BBC need to do reports like this

[arista]

2 more British-Born Troops
in Ukraine, now in a Russian Jail,
In Donbas zone

That make a total of 4 British Troops
now held by Putin.



Ref: Times Radio DAB, LBC Live

[arista]

The new 2 arrested
are Not Military
but infact,
aid workers,

"They could be sent to Russia to face a public Trial."
SkyNewsHD Military Analyst said.


[Andrew Hill (left) and Dylan Healy will stand trial
for "mercenary activities", reports say]
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/44B8/production/_125729571_hill_healy_composite.jpg

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-two-british-nationals-detained-by-russian-forces-charged-with-mercenary-activities-12644160

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62015954

[arista]

Russian ice hockey star Ivan Fedotov is forcibly
enlisted in the Russian army and dragged
off to fight in Ukraine

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-two-british-nationals-detained-by-russian-forces-charged-with-mercenary-activities-12644160

[arista]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1543761794090549248

[arista]

Turkey Detains Russian Ship
carrying Gain.

Just on CNN HD.

Its Stolen Grain
they must take it away
from that Russian Ship.

[Sticks]

What about "Spoils of war"?

[arista]

6 confirmed dead.

[Ukraine news live: Dozens feared trapped as
Russian rocket hits apartment block
in Donbas, governor says

Ukraine latest as Russia's ambassador
to the UK sets out what he sees as the
endgame; and the UK starts turning
thousands of Ukrainian recruits into
frontline soldiers.]


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-lysychansk-donetsk-putin-12541713

[Alf]

Have we lost interest in this now? Is the mainstream media coverage not feeding you enough? Have you turned your attention to what they are currently feeding you, the government bollocks?

They have you on a string.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/14/netherlands-can-get-winter-without-russian-gas-gasunie


The Netherlands can get through the coming winter with no gas shortages, even if Russia completely stops providing gas to Europe, provided that some preconditions are met. Gasunie Transport Services (GTS), the Netherlands’ national gas network operator, came to this conclusion after investigating the consequences of Russia closing the gas tap to Europe, NOS reports.

According to GTS, it won’t be necessary to shut down the industry or cut heating this coming winter. “That is good news for Dutch buyers,” GTS director Bart Jan Hoevers said to the broadcaster. “Other emergency measures such as extra production from the Groningen field do not appear to be necessary for the coming months.”

The GTS assumed that the coming winter would be an average one. “If you look at the coldest winter, you would need about 10 percent extra gas,” Hoevers said to NOS. “Now that could be less due to the high price.” But if Netherlands residents continue to be stingy with their gas use, as they’ve been over the past months due to the high prices, that also should not pose a significant problem.

Russia has already reduced its gas supply to Europe in the past few months. For example, Germany received 60 percent less gas through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline. The pipeline shut down entirely on Monday for annual maintenance. Germany expects Russia will keep it closed under the guise of technical problems.

That should not be a problem for the Netherlands as long as the following preconditions are met: gas usage remains 20 percent lower as is currently the case due to the high prices, coal-fired power stations continue to operate at full capacity, the Netherlands succeeds in doubling its imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to 24 billion cubic meters as planned, the LNG terminals in the Netherlands, Belgium, and United Kingdom continue to be fully utilized, and the Dutch gas storage facilities are filled to at least 80 percent. The Dutch gas storage facilities are currently about 57 percent full.

If the preconditions are met, the Netherlands will also be able to still export gas to Germany, France, and Belgium. Those countries depend on supply from the Netherlands for low-calorific gas.

.

some good news in terms of my nation's gas replacement for upcoming winter, and also good news for our neighbour countries Germany & Belgium, and France

[bots]

British man Paul Urey, who was captured by Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine, has died in detention, reports say

[Cherie]

British man Paul Urey, who was captured by Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine, has died in detention, reports say

omg

[arista]

British man Paul Urey, who was captured by Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine, has died in detention, reports say


[Briton Paul Urey, who was captured by
Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine,
has died in detention, reports say.

The 45-year-old's family were contacted
by the UK Foreign Office,
says the Presidium Network,
an aid group which has been
helping his relatives.
His mother is "distraught and
still in shock", the group says.
The UK says it is seeking urgent clarification
from Ukraine and the Russian government
on reports of a British aid worker's death.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E3D2/production/_125922385_urey.jpg

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62178505

[arista]

Ukraine war: 23 killed in Evil Russian rocket attack on Vinnytsia


[Russian missiles have struck a city
far from the eastern frontline,
killing at least 23 people including three children,]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62163071

[Nicky91]

Ukraine war: 23 killed in Evil Russian rocket attack on Vinnytsia


[Russian missiles have struck a city
far from the eastern frontline,
killing at least 23 people including three children,]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62163071

https://wiwibloggs.com/2022/07/14/ukraine-vidbir-2022-star-roxolana-mourns-loss-of-crew-member-after-rockets-hit-vinnytsia-concert-venue/272936/


An open act of terrorism. That’s how Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky described a Russian rocket attack on Thursday, which hit the western Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia. Officials say at least 23 people including three children have died, with another 66 people hospitalised. The missiles hit apartment blocks and a nearby cultural centre.

It was in that cultural centre — Vinnytsia’s House of Officers — that Roxolana‘s crew were preparing for her charity concert, which was supposed to take place on 17 July. Her fellow Vidbir star LAUD was supposed to appear as a guest performer. According to a report in The Guardian, the air strikes blew the roof off of the building where Roxolana’s crew were working.

The strikes wounded several of her crew members. Two were in critical condition following the strikes.

In a statement on her Instagram, Roxolana shared the following:
“Friends, we are currently in Vinnytsia. Unfortunately, at the time of the air strikes, a part of our team was on the main square. They are all wounded, two are fighting for their lives in the operating rooms. As a result, all performances and concerts are cancelled, and we are praying for the life of all who were hurt today.”

“We will never forgive. The money of the concert tickets will be returned. Please, pray.”

Several hours after the statement, Roxolana revealed that her sound engineer, Yevhen, had died as a result of the blast, while another team member remains in critical condition.

Roxolana and her team have received an outpouring of support from other artists in the Ukrainian music industry.

Among those who wrote messages of support were Eurovision 2022 winners Kalush Orchestra. But also Eurovision host Volodymyr Ostapchuk and song contest acts as Zlata Ognevich, Verka Serduchka and Tina Karol, who pledged moral support.

Roxolana had already visited more than half of the destinations on her tour. Only Vinnytsia, Khmelnytskyi, Ternopil and Zhytomyr remained.


https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Roxolana-Vinnytsia-blast-picture-Roxolana-dsn-gov-ua.jpg

.

[arista]

[Russian Missile strike on Ukraine space plant in Dnipro kills three]

[Russian long-range cruise missiles killed three people
in Ukraine's central city of Dnipro when they
hit a space rocket plant and a nearby street,
local officials say.

About 15 people were injured and nearby
residential buildings damaged.

Dnipro's Yuzhmash plant also
builds satellites - with one launched into
space by Elon Musk's SpaceX company.

Another two died when dozens of Russian
rockets were fired at Nikopol,
south of Dnipro, a regional leader said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62189844

[Sticks]

And if Ukraine had surrendered at the beginning...

[Nicky91]

And if Ukraine had surrendered at the beginning...

no, you need to fight for your independence and freedoms


rather than submitting to Adolf Putin



Putin needs to die asap, same goes for Hungary's Viktor Orban and Belarus's Lukashenko

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/17/24000-ukrainian-refugees-working-netherlands-amsterdam-hague-popular


At least 24,000 refugees from Ukraine have found work in the Netherlands, according to the latest data. The UWV benefits agency reported the statistic on the basis of documents filed by employers. The Ukrainian people mainly found a job in the hospitality industry and through employment agencies. Most refugees started working in and around Amsterdam, and in the region around The Hague.

Since the beginning of June, UWV received new reports about 10,800 Ukrainians who entered the workforce. In April and May, there were 13,200 known to the benefits agency. Almost half of the refugees found a job through an employment agency. Ukrainians have often found work through the recruiters as production workers, warehouse staff, and cleaners. Many refugees also found work in the hospitality industry (12 percent), in agriculture and horticulture (8 percent) and business services (5 percent).

To a certain extent, Ukrainians have also provided some relief in sectors where there is a large shortage of people, according to UWV. About half of the people started working in a sector where there is a shortage of personnel.

Employers are not required to apply for a work permit for Ukrainian refugees. Since April, however, they must report to the UWV if they employ a refugee. In this way, the UWV hopes to identify and reduce the risk of exploitation. An employer may be fined for failing to report the hiring of a Ukrainian refugee.

If a refugee finds other work during their stay in the Netherlands, or if they stop working altogether, this must also be reported to UWV by the employer. This has happened 900 times since the end of May.

.

[arista]

[24,000 refugees from Ukraine have found work in the Netherlands]


Yes great to let them work

[arista]

Annexation Russian Plan

They are now giving locals Russian Passports
and putting in Russian Banks

Russia plans to take the two cities above their Crimea.

New Drones From Iran will be used
in this new take over,


USA says Russia will not take more land?

Also Ships with Grain
in the Black Sea have no market to go to
and that Grain will go off if left on a Tanker ship

Ref: WION HD Gravitas Pt.1 SkyHD 523
also fee to view online.

https://www.wionews.com/live-tv

[arista]

Ukraine war: Deal signed to allow grain exports to resume by sea


This is Good news
while it lasts.


[Ukraine and Russia have signed "mirror" deals
which will allow Kyiv to resume exports
of grain through the Black Sea.
The agreement will allow millions of tonnes of grain,
currently trapped in Ukraine by the war,
to be exported.
The world shortage of Ukrainian grain since
Russia's 24 February invasion has
left millions at risk of hunger.

However, Kyiv refused to sign a direct deal with Moscow,
and has warned "provocations" would be
met with "an immediate military response".

Ukrainian presidential aide Mykhaylo Podolyak
explained on Friday that the country would
instead sign an agreement with Turkey
and the United Nations (UN),
which have brokered the deal,
while Russia signed an identical agreement.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62268070

[arista]

As predicted
Russia Bombed a part of Odessa
yesterday.

That is the Port exporting the grain.
Under the new deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62278010

[Sticks]

If only Zensky had surrendered, then we would not have had these attacks. Russia is winning! Time to recognise reality .

[arista]

If only Zensky had surrendered, then we would not have had these attacks. Russia is winning! Time to recognise reality .



Look he choose not to.
He will suffer this Long War


Of Course Russia Can Win
by firing long range Missiles


Some Old locals took New Russian Passports
in one zone.

Video was shown on WION HD
last week


Sad bbc did not update us on that,

[bots]

If only Zensky had surrendered, then we would not have had these attacks. Russia is winning! Time to recognise reality .

if only germany had won WW 2

[UserSince2005]

Russian scum

[Nicky91]

i thought there was a cease fire on grain exports?

[Sticks]

So long as Russia ships it and gets paid for it.

If it's Ukrainian it gets bombed

That is quite a fair deal - Avoid getting bombed by letting Russia have it all, especially as Ukraine, or most of it now is De Facto is part of Mother Russia.

[Nicky91]

So long as Russia ships it and gets paid for it.

If it's Ukrainian it gets bombed

That is quite a fair deal - Avoid getting bombed by letting Russia have it all, especially as Ukraine, or most of it now is De Facto is part of Mother Russia.

me @ russian leader Putin right now

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AgreeableUnknownElephantseal-size_restricted.gif

[arista]

i thought there was a cease fire on grain exports?


Yes agreed in Turkey with Russia.


But Russian Missiles hits
are not exact.
So sadly, Odessa Port got hit.


Other grain ships hope to carry on

[arista]

Russian scum


Putin does not care what you call him.
He has Control of Russia
Crimea
and some parts of Ukraine.

[Sticks]

He can also have you Novochucked, just like the Scripols in Salisbury

[arista]

A FT reporter
has found out the £4Billion
that used to Africa
now goes to Ukraine,

There is no time limit on it.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c8e32a44-8761-4cfd-95d9-432960c99ff2.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

BBC Text:
[Reports that European governments have
eased efforts to reduce trade in Russian oil.
Two months ago the European Union
announced a worldwide ban on the
provision of maritime insurance to vessels
carrying Russia oil.
However, the UK is yet to introduce similar
restrictions, which is pivotal because London
is at the centre of the marine insurance industry,
according to the paper.
Some international shipments are
being allowed amid fears of rising crude prices
and tighter energy supplies, it adds.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/200A/production/_126120280_ft-nc.jpg

[arista]

Russian Missiles have attacked
Mykolaiv City

Shown on CNN HD Live

Meanwhile, a Tanker ship got through the mined Black Sea
to deliver Grain to the Lebanon

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1592/production/_126122550_gettyimages-1242242043.jpg


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62375580

[arista]

1554832249924698112

Sadly no effect

[arista]

Russia now using their own Prisoners
to fight in Ukraine.
To keep their numbers up.

Ref: CNN HD report.

[bots]

Ukraine have started attacking Crimea, that's going to escalate things quickly

[arista]

Ukraine have started attacking Crimea, that's going to escalate things quickly


Yes how long can they keep that up?
I wish a Reporter from a news media confirm
the real Truth?


[The war in Ukraine began with Crimea
and must end with its liberation,
President Volodymyr Zelensky has said.
Ukraine's president was speaking after
a string of explosions hit a
Russian airbase there, killing one person.
Mr Zelensky did not mention Tuesday's
blasts but said: "Crimea is Ukrainian
and we will never give it up."
Russia's defence ministry said
ammunition detonated at the base.
Meanwhile, Ukraine denied any
responsibility for the explosions.

In a separate development,
Ukrainian officials say 13 people were
killed in overnight Russian strikes
in the central Dnipropetrovsk region,
and another one in the
Zaporizhzhia region in the south.

Crimea is internationally recognised
as part of Ukraine - but the
Black Sea peninsula was annexed by
Russia in 2014 after a referendum
which the global community sees
as illegitimate. Many Ukrainians
see this as the start of their war with Russia.

On Tuesday, a series of explosions
rocked the Saky military
base near Novofedorivka,
in the west of Crimea - which is
near seaside resorts popular
with Russian tourists.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62487303

[Beso]

Sky are claiming Ukrainian special forces carried out the attack.

[bots]

A quarter of sponsors of Ukrainians as part of the Homes for Ukraine scheme do not want to continue the arrangement beyond six months, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) has found.

Launched in March, it has seen about 75,000 refugees arrive in the UK.

Sponsors agreed to provide accommodation in their own home for a minimum of six months.

But there are concerns at what will happen when those arrangements reach the end of that time.

The scheme was set up by the government to help those fleeing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and worked alongside the Ukraine Family Scheme - which allowed refugees to join relatives already living in the UK.

An ONS survey of Homes for Ukraine hosts found 26% want to end their sponsorship after six months or less.

Six out of 10 sponsors said they were happy to accommodate their Ukrainian guests for more than the agreed minimum with almost a quarter saying they would be prepared to continue the arrangement for more than a year.

However, almost all sponsors said they had provided support and help to their guests that went beyond the official arrangement.

Eight out of 10 said they had given them food, two-thirds had helped them find work and 45% had provided financial support.

The ONS research also found that 18% of those signed up for the scheme were still waiting for guests to move in.

Of those who did not wish to accommodate Ukrainians for more than six months, just under a quarter said their decision was down to the rising cost of living.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62493852

[arista]

Zaporizhzhia nuclear workers:

Russia troops still there.


Ukraine has used a Military Drone
on Russian Military there.


Report on WION HD Gravitas Part 1.

[arista]

[Ukraine war: Russia to allow
inspectors at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant - Putin]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62613013


Gravitas WION HD
Friday confirmed
Inspectors
viewed all the Russian Rockets stored inside
of the Nuclear Power plant.

It will just take one error, Ukraine attack in the wrong place
to set off a Deadly Leak.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/zaborona_media/status/1561725405815619584

[arista]

BBC Text :
[UK diplomats urging European leaders to keep
supporting Ukraine amid the cost of living crisis.
The Telegraph says it understands diplomats have
been travelling to European capitals to make the
case against cutting aid to Kyiv as
European governments worry about
spending on arms and humanitarian supplies
in the face of soaring energy prices.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E1E8/production/_126423875_finitele1001rc-dtndt-1-240822-a001c-dt-nc.png

[arista]

Johnson is now in Ukraine

The one place he is popular.

SkyNewsHD Live.

[arista]

Meanwhile In Russia

They are making their own Lada Car,
basic car again.

Now 100% owned by Russia
[In May 2022, Renault sold its controlling
stake to a state-owned entity]

It has no airbags


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada


Great new SkyNewsHD report in Russia.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/24/16/61688609-11141877-image-a-58_1661355744769.jpg
[Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky (R)
and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson (L)
look at a plaque dedicated to Boris Johnson
on August 24, 2022 in Kyiv, Ukraine]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/24/16/61690119-0-image-a-74_1661356516961.jpg
[Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, right,
awards Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson
during their meeting in Kyiv, Ukraine,
Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2022]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/24/16/61687013-11141877-Mr_Johnson_used_the_trip_to_announce_a_new_54milli on_package_of_-a-53_1661355574327.jpg
[Mr Johnson used the trip to announce a new
£54million package of British military support,
including the supply of 2,000
state-of-the-art drones and
anti-tank loitering munitions]

Large amount of Protection for the 2 Leaders.


USA has added another 3 Billion dollars,
Hi Tech weapons
making it a total of $13 Billion
weapons sent there.

SkyNewsHD USA report

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa8FMikXgAAn5zR?format=jpg&name=small

[Sticks]

Ideology again

If Ukraine had surrendered, lives would have been saved, including those here destined to die of hypothermia as they will be too scared to turn their heating on this winter...

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8c49488c-aa34-42f9-b324-8a1926f26724.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-58f50316-0ad2-4895-aa24-b1e4f81c7c75.jpeg

[Beso]

Boris johnson says we pay in cash, whilst Ukraine pays in blood...

Hard to argue against.

[Beso]

If its going to be ages,then the unified countries need to do one of those schemes where you all put money in and each country gets half the money thats been donated, or perhaps pledged, back every how many months it takes for each helping countries turn at the top of the donating tree.

Then that cash should be filtered down to everyones fuel bills.


Ukraine gets half, and each donating country gets the other half to ease their citizens burden.

[arista]

The Online Paper

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d09013ba-c7f6-4263-85e0-440a288c54f9.jpeg

[arista]

SkyNewsHD/CNN HD/BBC monitoring junior reporter
and two Independent
journalists are all on BBC Media Show
on BBCnewsHD this weekend.

All talking about Reporting in Ukraine
and how they can not report Live,
outside a bombed area.

Russia TV Media still restricting the real truth,
as we all know.


Meanwhile
Yesterday, Russia Killed 25 Ukrainians
with a Missile hit at a station.

[Sticks]

And how many of our people here will die because they cannot afford to put their heating on because of this war, when it could have been over if Yolrnsky had allowed them to surrender?

[arista]

And how many of our people here will die because they cannot afford to put their heating on because of this war, when it could have been over if Yolrnsky had allowed them to surrender?

Yes could be a large number, sadly.


Until the New PM changes it all

[arista]

[Ukraine live: Russian attacks intensify in eastern
Ukraine, MoD warns as situation at
Europe's biggest nuclear plant remains 'very risky']

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-live-russian-attacks-intensifying-in-eastern-ukraine-mod-warns-as-situation-at-europes-biggest-nuclear-plant-remains-very-risky-12541713

[Nicky91]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-23/ukraine-set-to-restart-football-league-as-war-rages-on/101359726

Ukraine's new football premier league season starts amid war


As soon as the air raid sirens had stopped, Shakhtar Donetsk's players ran out onto the pitch for their final training session on Monday before Ukraine begins an extraordinary new season of its national soccer league.


As Ukrainian soldiers battle Russian forces in the east and south, Shakhtar are due to play Metalist 1925, from Kharkiv, in the opening game at 1000 GMT (8pm AEST) on Tuesday.

The match in Kyiv kicks off a day before Ukraine marks six months since Russia invaded, starting a war that has killed thousands of people and displaced millions.

"This will be a unique competition: It will happen during a war, during military aggression, during bombardments," Andriy Pavelko, head of the Ukrainian Association of Football said .

Matches will be played without fans due to the risk of bombs and missiles. Two top-flight clubs — Desna Chernihiv and FC Mariupol — are being replaced in the 16-team league after their stadiums were destroyed.

FC Mariupol's whole future has been thrown into question after Russia captured the club's home city in a brutal three-month siege that Ukraine says killed over 20,000 residents.

Pavelko said much of the impetus to restart the season in the fraught circumstances had come from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian army, who hope the league will help lift national morale.

"Many people at the front lines asked us to start thinking about restarting football in our country," Pavelko said.

He toured Ukraine in March and April to convince club presidents not to let their teams wither away, and to prepare them for a new season, he said.

Shakhtar, one of the favourites for this year's title who will also compete in Europe's Champions League, are no strangers to war.

They relocated from their home city of Donetsk in 2014 when the city was captured by Russia-backed separatists.

The forced relocation didn't stop Shakhtar's on-pitch success, winning five of the eight league titles since then.

They were leading the table on February 24, when the season came to an abrupt halt as Russia commenced its invasion.

Owned by Ukraine's richest man Rinat Akhmetov, Shakhtar has previously relied on superstars from Brazil, where the club built a large scouting network.

After an exodus of foreign players caused by the war, Croatian head coach Igor Jovicevic — who was appointed in June — is now trying to rebuild the squad with young, home-grown players.

"For a long time, there was a Brazilian Shakhtar, a top team," Jovicevic said on Monday.

"But now we have to forget about this, and prepare the new (team) as quickly as possible."

Bomb shelters and goalposts
The new season presents an array of logistical challenges, including the risk of missile strikes.

All stadiums must have bomb shelters.

Matches will only be played in Kyiv, its surrounding region and two western provinces.

Every time an air raid siren sounds, a daily occurrence in most regions, the game will be stopped for players and match officials to take shelter in basements until the all-clear, Pavelko said.

That has left some players like Shakhtar's stalwart midfielder Taras Stepanenko worried about how they will keep their muscles warm in games that are broken up with long breaks.

"It will be hard if it lasts more than an hour. Maybe they should set up some (training) bicycles for us," Stepanenko said.

Military officials will be present at every game and if an air raid siren lasts more than an hour, they will confer with the referee to decide whether to wait or to postpone the match completely, Pavelko said.

Pavelko said the war has not only destroyed facilities but has also scuppered the futures of thousands of young talented soccer players.

"This isn't just about losing stadiums. This is about a whole generation of footballers who won't be able to develop."

.

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[arista]

The Observer today features
Ukrainians Mothers and Daughters
now Homeless in the UK

UK Sponsor Scheme Ends
Michael Gove's Plan

Families can not afford them now no money is
arriving,
how Ironic their Ukraine War with Russia
(of course Russia invaded them)
is destroying our Energy Prices
making them rise to a Shocking high level.

Now UK Homes Dump them.


One Mother with her daughter
thought she would be back
Ukraine by now - she states in the paper?

This is a Long Time War
Russia is a Massive Nation
they will never give up.

[arista]

UN Official
Live on SkyNewsHD

Confirmed more Grain
from Ukraine in Big Ships has reached Ethiopia
saving the lives of many starving people

[arista]

Ukraine war: British volunteer medic killed

[A British national has been killed
while volunteering as a medic in Ukraine.
Craig Mackintosh's sister Lorna said he
had lost his life "in the line of duty".

In a GoFundMe set up to
bring his body home
she revealed that he had been killed in
Ukraine on 24 August.

"Please help us bring this war
hero home," Ms Mackintosh wrote.
"Our brother bravely volunteered
to go to (Ukraine) as a medic to
help save lives in this war torn country.
"In the line of duty, helping others
he lost his life.
This selfless man is currently stranded
in a morgue in Ukraine and there
is no help to get him home."

She said it would cost around
£4,000 to bring his body back to the UK.]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-british-volunteer-medic-killed-12686594



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/31/19/61920095-11165823-image-m-13_1661969798964.jpg
[Craig Stanley Mackintosh, 48, is believed
to have been shot dead on Wednesday
last week when his squad was ambushed]


[British landscape gardener, 48,
killed by Russian forces in Ukraine
while volunteering as a medic:
Father-of-four was 'shot in the neck'
while helping an injured comrade in Kharkiv]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11165823/British-landscape-gardener-48-killed-Russian-forces-Ukraine-volunteering-medic.html

[bots]

The chairman of Russia's Lukoil oil giant, Ravil Maganov, has died after falling from a hospital window in Moscow, reports say.

The company confirmed his death but said only that Maganov, 67, had "passed away following a severe illness".

Russian media said he was being treated at Moscow's Central Clinical Hospital and died of his injuries.

Maganov is the latest of a number of high-profile business executives to die in mysterious circumstances.

Investigating authorities said they were working at the scene to establish how he died. Tass news agency quoted sources saying he had fallen out of a sixth-floor window early on Thursday morning, adding later that he had taken his own life.

Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, the Lukoil board called for the conflict to end as soon as possible, expressing its sympathy to victims of "this tragedy".

Its billionaire president, Vagit Alekperov, resigned in April after the UK imposed sanctions on him in response to the invasion.

Several Russian energy oligarchs have died in unusual circumstances in recent months:

The body of millionaire Novatek former manager Sergei Protosenya was found alongside his wife and daughter at a Spanish villa in April
A former vice-president of Gazprombank, Vladislav Avayev, was found dead with his wife and daughter in their Moscow flat, also in April
In May, a former Lukoil tycoon Alexander Subbotin died of heart failure, reportedly after seeking alternative treatment from a shaman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62750584

[arista]

Yes was that Russian
pushed out the window?

[bots]

Yes was that Russian
pushed out the window?

thats the implication I think

[arista]

thats the implication I think


Another Evil Putin Ordered Murder.

He can not be stopped

[arista]

BBC Text:
[Vladimir Putin has dismissed Ukraine
as nothing more than "an anti-Russia enclave"
as Moscow delivered a fresh threat
to western efforts to curb surging
energy prices, the paper says.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/159BA/production/_126560588_financialtimes-nc.png.webp

[Sticks]

Another Evil Putin Ordered Murder.

He can not be stopped

And he knows how to get the job done, unlike some.

Nobody should ever criticise the great and wonderful precious powerful Putin, leader of the universe, otherwise they get novchoked or fall out of windows, and rightly so...

:unsure::umm2:

[arista]

And he knows how to get the job done, unlike some.

Nobody should ever criticise the great and wonderful precious powerful Putin, leader of the universe, otherwise they get novchoked or fall out of windows, and rightly so...

:unsure::umm2:

Putin is better Dead


I would get a covert team
close to him

[Sticks]

Putin is better Dead


I would get a covert team
close to him

Dream on, he is former KGB, he is the one who sent out the assassination teams, and still does...

[arista]

Dream on, he is former KGB, he is the one who sent out the assassination teams, and still does...


Yes he would see us Coming
which tells you a Bomb
would get him
and his 10 guards

[arista]

BBC Text :
[President Zelensky on the financial hardship enveloping
the UK and other western countries.
The Ukrainian leader says the consequences of
the Russian invasion are"painful" but says
rising energy bills affecting people in other
nations is a price worth paying
to avert a new world war, the paper says.]



This is all Wrong Z
it is not about a World War.
It is only about the Ukraine - I say.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BCBE/production/_126581384_thesundaytimes-nc.png.webp

[arista]

The Russian have been pushed back
by Bigger Armed Ukrainian troops.
In the Donbas region.

[bots]

The Russian have been pushed back
by Bigger Armed Ukrainian troops.
In the Donbas region.

they have retaken 2000 km sq from the russians

[arista]

they have retaken 2000 km sq from the russians


Yes but


[Russia targets infrastructure in
retaliation to rapid Ukraine gains

Mayor of Kharkiv says strike that knocked
out power and water was act of ‘revenge’ by Russia]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/zelenskiy-says-next-three-months-critical-as-ukrainian-advance-continues


This should be on the UK news today
a 10min update,
should be fitted in.

[arista]

Good on GMBHD itv


At 6:19AM went Live to the
Ukraine


bbc1 AM at 6:23AM also went live to Kyiv

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/162FD/production/_126677809_theguardian-nc.png.webp


Russia shares the front page

[arista]

[Putin's soldiers 'are categorically refusing to deploy
to the front lines due to distrust of high command
and mounting Russian death toll'
Ukraine says Russian soldiers are refusing to join
after seeing the huge death toll
'Distrust of higher command' has caused troops
to 'categorically refuse' to fight
Comes amid a successful counter-offensive
by Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11206469/Putins-soldiers-categorically-refusing-deploy-lines-distrust-high-command.html

[UserSince2005]

Will King Zelensky be coming to London for the funeral?

[Sticks]

If he left Ukraine, he would be arrested as a war criminal.

[arista]

Over 400 Bodies Dug up.
Ch4HDnews said many were tortured
and hands tied

[Ukraine war: Mass exhumations at Izyum forest graves site]


[In a pine forest at the edge of Izyum the
stench of death filled the air as a mass
exhumation got under way.
The earth is giving up its secrets.
Ukrainian officials believe war crimes have
been committed, which they are
determined to document.
Around 100 Ukrainian emergency service workers
wearing blue plastic coverings dug into the earth,
opening makeshift graves.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62931224



More Evil War Crimes by Putin

[arista]

Will King Zelensky be coming to London for the funeral?


No he is too busy
leading his Fightback against Russian Troops

[UserSince2005]

If he left Ukraine, he would be arrested as a war criminal.

Arrested by who? Putin and his goons can’t leave russia.

[UserSince2005]

No he is too busy
leading his Fightback against Russian Troops

We need him her just for a day. The fight back can be paused for the special day.

[Sticks]

Arrested by who? Putin and his goons can’t leave russia.

He has refused to let people surrender and made them fight to the death against superior forces, for one, but there may be other reasons.

[bots]

nobody can force anyone to fight, just take a look at the Russians running for their lives, they did that because they wanted to protect their families

[arista]

Russia is happy to use their Prisoners
to fight for them.

[bots]

if things continue as they are it is a matter of time until Putin gets taken out by his own men

[Nicky91]

meanwhile over in Armenia, seems to go down worse over there, in terms of the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict


but gets ignored because nobody seems to know anything about that, NATO of course will do nothing against Azerbaijan, because of Turkiye

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/armenia-azerbaijan-conflict-the-other-war-on-doorstep-2000562-2022-09-15

[MTVN]

if things continue as they are it is a matter of time until Putin gets taken out by his own men

Trouble is if Putin goes there is a good chance he gets replaced by a hardliner who's even more extreme than he is

[bots]

it's difficult to know how it would pan out, but it's pretty obvious the russian soldiers don't want to be in a war with ukraine, and no amount of coercion will change that

[Sticks]

Trouble is if Putin goes there is a good chance he gets replaced by a hardliner who's even more extreme than he is

Putin is not going anywhere, he is former KGB so knows all the tricks of Trade-craft