Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[arista]

Sky News Press Review just revealed that there are ‘currently’ 4,000 different Covid19 variants across the world !!!




Yes not good.

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[Scarlett.]

I mean, its a nice thought that the economy could just spring back, but a lot more people don't really have any money to spend.

[arista]

I mean, it's a nice thought that the economy could just spring back, but a lot more people don't really have any money to spend.


Yes everything
depends on the March Budget.


Rishi Sunak
in many headlines today

[Rishi Sunak 'is plotting £6billion stealth
tax raid by freezing personal allowances
in next month's Budget'
Chancellor may abandon rises to £12,500
and £50,000 income tax thresholds
This could see millions of
Britons paying higher
tax rate on more of their income
Treasury insider working on March 3
Budget described move as 'quite logical']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9252135/Rishi-Sunak-plotting-6billion-stealth-tax-raid.html



[COVID-19: Economy suffers deepest annual slump
since 1709 Great Frost
Chancellor Rishi Sunak pledges further support
for the COVID-hit economy as large parts
remain in hibernation after a torrid 2020.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-economy-in-deepest-annual-slump-since-1709-great-frost-12215651

[AnnieK]

Yes everything
depends on the March Budget.


Rishi Sunak
in many headlines today

[Rishi Sunak 'is plotting £6billion stealth
tax raid by freezing personal allowances
in next month's Budget'
Chancellor may abandon rises to £12,500
and £50,000 income tax thresholds
This could see millions of
Britons paying higher
tax rate on more of their income
Treasury insider working on March 3
Budget described move as 'quite logical']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9252135/Rishi-Sunak-plotting-6billion-stealth-tax-raid.html



[COVID-19: Economy suffers deepest annual slump
since 1709 Great Frost
Chancellor Rishi Sunak pledges further support
for the COVID-hit economy as large parts
remain in hibernation after a torrid 2020.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-economy-in-deepest-annual-slump-since-1709-great-frost-12215651

Its inevitable that taxes will rise now for years....all this cash has to come from somewhere.

Anyone who has been working from home during the pandemic can claim some tax relief for this. Its not much but worth claiming before they start hiking up tax.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9251039/Boris-Johnson-comes-pressure-confirm-March-8-school-reopening.html

[Alf]

So we've been unable to save the elderly with the measures we've been applying, they keep dying. So maybe destroying everybody else's lives isn't worth it?

Like I said before, all this ends when the people have had enough, until then, we continue like this.

[Zizu]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9251039/Boris-Johnson-comes-pressure-confirm-March-8-school-reopening.html



Thanks .. interesting .


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[Cherie]

So we've been unable to save the elderly with the measures we've been applying, they keep dying. So maybe destroying everybody else's lives isn't worth it?

Like I said before, all this ends when the people have had enough, until then, we continue like this.

Locking down is to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed in the first instance

[Cherie]

Thanks .. interesting .


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Think I read yesterday the Kent variant will be the dominant one globally in time, if they can tweak the vaccines to cover most of the rest then like flu people will continue to die from it but hospitals will not be full of covid patients and stretched to the max

[user104658]

I mean, its a nice thought that the economy could just spring back, but a lot more people don't really have any money to spend.

I don't know why they think all the extra money, even for those of us who haven't seen an income drop, has been stored up in a savings account. It's such a "wealthy" mindset. For us normies who saw our bank balances starting to go up because of lack of things to spend it on... we said "yaaaay" and went straight to Amazon... surely? Like yes I've had more "spare" cash at the end of the month this year than ever before in my life but is it sitting waiting to be spent when everything opens up? NO! Mr Bezos and Tesco has all of it :bawling:. There was one month where I bought a £350 gaming monitor, didn't like the ghosting because it was 60hz, so the next month I just... bought another one for £370... and gave the first one to my 11 year old :umm2:. Same happens at the supermarket - I go in for a few bits, but it's like the 25th of the month so we're both getting paid within a week, so I end up spending £150 on "whatever" just cos. I have literally zero savings.

Basically what I'm saying is... I think they imagine that people have money waiting to be spent... that is actually long gone. If they want that cash they're going to have to do what they should have been doing all along - properly taxing online retail.

[user104658]

Think I read yesterday the Kent variant will be the dominant one globally in time, if they can tweak the vaccines to cover most of the rest then like flu people will continue to die from it but hospitals will not be full of covid patients and stretched to the max

Most likely (long term) they'll have to tweak annually and roll out to the elderly and vulnerable, but my strong suspicion is that once everyone has had "some variant or other" (either a natural infection or any of the vaccines) we'll start to see severe cases drop significantly, even if people are still regularly getting it.

[bots]

Most likely (long term) they'll have to tweak annually and roll out to the elderly and vulnerable, but my strong suspicion is that once everyone has had "some variant or other" (either a natural infection or any of the vaccines) we'll start to see severe cases drop significantly, even if people are still regularly getting it.

I think once this year is out the way things will be much better, and the good news is that the world is much more prepared for future pandemics if they occur. I even expect new preventatives for the common cold to start appearing. The level of research over the last year will have huge payoffs for other diseases

[Zizu]

Think I read yesterday the Kent variant will be the dominant one globally in time, if they can tweak the vaccines to cover most of the rest then like flu people will continue to die from it but hospitals will not be full of covid patients and stretched to the max



I’m sure I heard one bloke say that they’re confident they can adapt the vaccines but they won’t be ready to distribute until Autumn ... I don’t think we can wait 7 to 8 months though


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[arista]

Most likely (long term) they'll have to tweak annually and roll out to the elderly and vulnerable, but my strong suspicion is that once everyone has had "some variant or other" (either a natural infection or any of the vaccines) we'll start to see severe cases drop significantly, even if people are still regularly getting it.


Yes Great Points
some stay in hospital for months
but then get sent home.

Some Good reporting on SkyNewsHD

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.385 new cases (69 less than yesterday but still above week average)

1.904 total hospitalisations (48 less than yesterday)

534 total on ICU (3 less than yesterday)

519 care homes with a recent new covid infection (compared to 598 one week ago)

[Cherie]

I’m sure I heard one bloke say that they’re confident they can adapt the vaccines but they won’t be ready to distribute until Autumn ... I don’t think we can wait 7 to 8 months though


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The level of the virus will die off during the summer months as UV light kills it and with people being able to socialise outside

[Cherie]

I don't know why they think all the extra money, even for those of us who haven't seen an income drop, has been stored up in a savings account. It's such a "wealthy" mindset. For us normies who saw our bank balances starting to go up because of lack of things to spend it on... we said "yaaaay" and went straight to Amazon... surely? Like yes I've had more "spare" cash at the end of the month this year than ever before in my life but is it sitting waiting to be spent when everything opens up? NO! Mr Bezos and Tesco has all of it :bawling:. There was one month where I bought a £350 gaming monitor, didn't like the ghosting because it was 60hz, so the next month I just... bought another one for £370... and gave the first one to my 11 year old :umm2:. Same happens at the supermarket - I go in for a few bits, but it's like the 25th of the month so we're both getting paid within a week, so I end up spending £150 on "whatever" just cos. I have literally zero savings.

Basically what I'm saying is... I think they imagine that people have money waiting to be spent... that is actually long gone. If they want that cash they're going to have to do what they should have been doing all along - properly taxing online retail.

You wouldn’t be the best example though :hehe:

We have saved a fair bit especially as we had to cancel 3 holidays last year

[user104658]

You wouldn’t be the best example though :hehe:



We have saved a fair bit especially as we had to cancel 3 holidays last yearWell no but I think there is evidence that people are spending a lot of their disposable income online... Certain industries have been absolutely booming.

[Cherie]

Well no but I think there is evidence that people are spending a lot of their disposable income online... Certain industries have been absolutely booming.

Since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, official statistics show that total household savings have increased and total household debt remains mostly unchanged, largely due to a fall in spending on non-essential items over lockdown.
The household savings ratio (household savings as a proportion of household disposable income) increased from 9.6% in Q1 2020 to 29.1% in Q2 of 2020, a record high since the series began in 1987. Deposits in bank accounts increased by £44.6 billion in Q2 2020.
Total household debt was £1,858 billion in Q3 2020, only 2.4% more than the year before. Unsecured debt fell in each month between March and November in total, as many households reduced their spending (and so were less likely to borrow).
While on the whole, household savings have risen and debt has decreased, there is evidence to suggest that some households, particularly those with low incomes, have run down savings and increased debt since the start of the pandemic.
The Office for National Statistics’ Opinions and Lifestyle Survey found that by July, 13.3% of people said they have had to borrow money or use credit more than usual since the coronavirus pandemic.
The Resolution Foundation found that 54% of adults in families from the lowest income fifth borrowed more in March-June to cover everyday costs like food and housing.
Groups which are more likely than average to have taken on more debt since the start of the coronavirus pandemic include renters, people from minority ethnic groups, parents and carers, disabled people and those who are shielding, and young people.

[arista]

Friday 12/2/21

Today 758 have died

15,144 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
24,352

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,036

116,287 Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[COVID-19: UK's R number falls to below one
for the first time since July]

Of course,
we are in a Long lockdown.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uks-r-number-falls-to-below-one-for-the-first-time-since-july-12216073

[Zizu]

The level of the virus will die off during the summer months as UV light kills it and with people being able to socialise outside



Why aren’t they treating people with UV lamps or sun beds, I wonder !?


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[Scarlett.]

Easter seems a bit unrealistic for a complete hospitality opening, but maybe late May/early June seems more likely

[arista]

OxfordAstraZeneca
is to be tested on kids aged 6-17 in a big New study.



SkyNewsHD first headline

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxford-vaccine-to-be-tested-on-children-as-young-as-six-in-world-first-trial-12216667

[arista]

[COVID-19: Previously-infected people only
need one vaccine shot, say French experts

A small study recently found that
previously-infected people
had 10 to 20 times higher antibody levels
after a first vaccine shot.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-previously-infected-people-only-need-one-vaccine-shot-say-french-experts-12216693

[Zizu]

Great news ... I got notified yesterday about an appointment for my first vaccine of Pfizer next Tuesday



Not so great news .. they just rang to cancel it and re-book it for a week later !?!

My anxiety levels are shocking now ...

Anyone else had their appointment cancelled/delayed ??


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[arista]

Great news ... I got notified yesterday about an appointment for my first vaccine of Pfizer next Tuesday



Not so great news .. they just rang to cancel it and re-book it for a week later !?!

My anxiety levels are shocking now ...

Anyone else had their appointment cancelled/delayed ??





Yes the better one

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[Scarlett.]

I have a feeling that if they push this whole 'save Easter' thing it will just be as big of a catastrophe as 'save Christmas' was and will set us back months. They really need to not rush it all this time, and do it at a steady pace.

[Cherie]

I have a feeling that if they push this whole 'save Easter' thing it will just be as big of a catastrophe as 'save Christmas' was and will set us back months. They really need to not rush it all this time, and do it at a steady pace.

its just so stupid, you would think the media would back off, but no

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.229 new cases

182 new hospitalisations (1.863 in total)

32 new patients on the ICU (538 in total)

67 new deaths

[Cherie]

1360595109004406786

Bojo has learned his lesson it seems :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Seems a sensible reply for him, I think/hope they're in the mindset of just taking things slowly, step by step, rather than doing it all at once and causing another wave.

[arista]

Saturday 13/2/21

Today 621 have Died

13,308 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943


116,908 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Samm]

Saturday 13/2/21

Today 621 have Died

13,308 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943


116,908 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

What were last Sat's?

Easter sounds like a reasonable date at the end of the day, the importance of vaccinating the over 50s and those with underlying conditions is important and I hope it is done as quickly as the roll out so far. However for once the horrid tabloids are giving me a sense of relief. Hospitality opening in time for Easter is some light relief for me. This lockdown is mentally hard and it is the news I want to hear and I hope it is true. At the end of the day we are going to have to live with it.

[arista]

What were last Sat's?

Easter sounds like a reasonable date at the end of the day, the importance of vaccinating the over 50s and those with underlying conditions is important and I hope it is done as quickly as the roll out so far. However for once the horrid tabloids are giving me a sense of relief. Hospitality opening in time for Easter is some light relief for me. This lockdown is mentally hard and it is the news I want to hear and I hope it is true. At the end of the day we are going to have to live with it.


Saturday 6/2/21

Today 828 have Died

18,262 Have Caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
29,326

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,505

Total UK Deaths : 112,092


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Samm]

^^^

hopefully next week we will be back under 10,000 again

[Scarlett.]

What were last Sat's?

Easter sounds like a reasonable date at the end of the day, the importance of vaccinating the over 50s and those with underlying conditions is important and I hope it is done as quickly as the roll out so far. However for once the horrid tabloids are giving me a sense of relief. Hospitality opening in time for Easter is some light relief for me. This lockdown is mentally hard and it is the news I want to hear and I hope it is true. At the end of the day we are going to have to live with it.

I'd rather wait a little longer than have to risk another wave though. I do think that the drinking/eating outside by then sounds reasonable enough though.

[Samm]

I'd rather wait a little longer than have to risk another wave though. I do think that the drinking/eating outside by then sounds reasonable enough though.

With the vaccine effect fully kicked in by Easter I don't see how another massive wave like last month would take place? I'm not advocating for everything to open at once.

[Nicky91]

With the vaccine effect fully kicked in by Easter I don't see how another massive wave like last month would take place? I'm not advocating for everything to open at once.

but the vaccinated people can still get covid, just no longer huge chance of landing on ICU or dying but they can still get the virus

[Scarlett.]

With the vaccine effect fully kicked in by Easter I don't see how another massive wave like last month would take place? I'm not advocating for everything to open at once.

There would still be a significant amount unvaccinated, and even more who would have only gotten their first dose, even then its not 100% effective. It will take far longer for the nation to be fully protected, so until then we have to take small steps. Most scientists are saying May seems to be most reasonable according to current data. That said, the spread of the virus outdoors is much lower so it's reasonable to open up outside dining and beer gardens a little earlier.

[arista]

New surge testing after more
South Africa variant cases detected

[Surge testing is being introduced in
more areas of England after a few more cases
of the coronavirus variant first discovered
in South Africa were detected.
The testing will be deployed in:
Middlesbrough within the TS7 postcode
Areas in Walsall
Specific areas in the RG26 postcode in Hampshire

People in these areas are strongly encouraged
to take a COVID test this week,
whether or not they have symptoms.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-surge-testing-rollout-after-south-africa-variant-cases-detected-12216867

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Has anyone been watching This Doctor and his views??

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/quot-we-don-039-t-debate-with-anti-vaxxers-whether-they-039-re-right-or-wrong-quot-says-bbc_irjlBjFF22aZTmT.html

[Vicky.]

There would still be a significant amount unvaccinated, and even more who would have only gotten their first dose, even then its not 100% effective. It will take far longer for the nation to be fully protected, so until then we have to take small steps. Most scientists are saying May seems to be most reasonable according to current data. That said, the spread of the virus outdoors is much lower so it's reasonable to open up outside dining and beer gardens a little earlier.

Yes, but surely, the most high risk people would be 'sorted' by then, and less likely to get it 'badly' (as this is the point of the vaccines apparently, rather than stopping the spread) ad the majority of 'the others' were unlikely to suffer too badly anyway..or so it appears.

IF it spreads like wildfire, but all those who would otherwise be hospitalised and possibly die, have been protected against that possibility..and thus it just takes over the country as a bit of a cold* (or no symptoms) then..would that really be a problem?

The reason for lockdowns is not to protect people, its to protect the NHS. If those who are more likely to suffer a bad infectio have mitigation against that, then the NHS wouldn't be overwhelmed, in theory of course?

I am trying to be optomistic, and possibly missing something though. I also do not think its a great idea to just open everything back up together..doing it bit by bit will make us more able to see WHAT is the main driver of the spread (which tbh, appeared to be schools..to me. Given pubs and such were all fine, packed beaches, huge protests, holidays, shops..it was only the schools that made the spike...and even then I feel it was more colleges, than younger schools)


*I know it is not just a cold. But for arguments sake, if you remove the dealier parts of it, it presents as a cold/flu/nothing.

[Beso]

Boris has said we may well need to get used to living with covid and its depressing figures.

I'm h a p p y though.

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[Scarlett.]

Yes, but surely, the most high risk people would be 'sorted' by then, and less likely to get it 'badly' (as this is the point of the vaccines apparently, rather than stopping the spread) ad the majority of 'the others' were unlikely to suffer too badly anyway..or so it appears.

IF it spreads like wildfire, but all those who would otherwise be hospitalised and possibly die, have been protected against that possibility..and thus it just takes over the country as a bit of a cold* (or no symptoms) then..would that really be a problem?

The reason for lockdowns is not to protect people, its to protect the NHS. If those who are more likely to suffer a bad infectio have mitigation against that, then the NHS wouldn't be overwhelmed, in theory of course?

I am trying to be optomistic, and possibly missing something though. I also do not think its a great idea to just open everything back up together..doing it bit by bit will make us more able to see WHAT is the main driver of the spread (which tbh, appeared to be schools..to me. Given pubs and such were all fine, packed beaches, huge protests, holidays, shops..it was only the schools that made the spike...and even then I feel it was more colleges, than younger schools)


*I know it is not just a cold. But for arguments sake, if you remove the dealier parts of it, it presents as a cold/flu/nothing.

I think we're all kind of on the same page, I'm not against them starting to open stuff slowly in April, I was more against the opening the whole of the hospitality sector in April

[arista]

[COVID-19:
Amanda Holden 'reported to police' after travelling
215 miles to visit parents]
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/13/22/39257282-9257821-image-a-46_1613254602969.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/13/22/39257394-9257821-image-a-54_1613254750456.jpg


[The 49-year-old took a black
Mercedes from Richmond to a
small hamlet near Bude to see
the 75-year-old and her 71-year-old
mother on Friday]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-amanda-holden-reported-to-police-after-travelling-215-miles-to-visit-parents-12217602

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9257821/Amanda-Holden-reported-police-breaching-Covid-rules.html

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[Cherie]

[COVID-19:
Amanda Holden 'reported to police' after travelling
215 miles to visit parents]
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[The 49-year-old took a black
Mercedes from Richmond to a
small hamlet near Bude to see
the 75-year-old and her 71-year-old
mother on Friday]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-amanda-holden-reported-to-police-after-travelling-215-miles-to-visit-parents-12217602

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9257821/Amanda-Holden-reported-police-breaching-Covid-rules.html

Depends what the circumstances are or if there are closer family members, its not like she took the family on a break

[arista]

Depends what the circumstances are or if there are closer family members, its not like she took the family on a break

She is not permitted to drive that far.

[Alf]

The c u next Tuesday who reported Amanda Holden, is far more dangerous to society than Holden ever could be.

Establishment storm-trooper, wanting punishment for a woman who went to visit her mother for the first time in over a year.

What is your crime? I went to visit my mother.

Like Amanda Holden, I reject the new normal.

[Alf]

She is not permitted to drive that far.Only in an authoritarian country.

We live in a free one, and there's millions of us who will fight to preserve that freedom.

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Surely they aren’t gonna fold under pressure from the media and whoever and go against what all the scientists and experts are saying and fully open up schools regardless on the 8th March !?

There was headmaster on telly just last week and he said from what he’d been told and knew about the stats and data - he would be happy just to know that schools were opening as normal next September


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[Zizu]

The c u next Tuesday who reported Amanda Holden, is far more dangerous to society than Holden ever could be.

Establishment storm-trooper, wanting punishment for a woman who went to visit her mother for the first time in over a year.

What is your crime? I went to visit my mother.

Like Amanda Holden, I reject the new normal.



How on earth would a member of the public or one of her neighbours know where she’d been unless she’d told them



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[joeysteele]

There's millions likely who would have loved to go and visit family.
Even be with them when ill.
Or even at their funerals.
Who haven't been able to for near a year too.

No excuse for Holden, just as there was none for Cummings really or Stephen Kinnock in lockdown periods either.

No sympathy from me for Holden.
Another who may think rulings don't apply to her and her family.

[Alf]

There's millions likely who would have loved to go and visit family.
Even be with them when ill.
Or even at their funerals.
Who haven't been able to for near a year too.

No excuse for Holden, just as there was none for Cummings really or Stephen Kinnock in lockdown periods either.

No sympathy from me for Holden.
Another who may think rulings don't apply to her and her family.Well if they would have loved to do that, then they should have. The only person stopping them was themselves.

When the rules are inhumane, then don't comply with them.

[Zizu]

There's millions likely who would have loved to go and visit family.
Even be with them when ill.
Or even at their funerals.
Who haven't been able to for near a year too.

No excuse for Holden, just as there was none for Cummings really or Stephen Kinnock in lockdown periods either.

No sympathy from me for Holden.
Another who may think rulings don't apply to her and her family.



There are thousands also breaking many of the rules .... that’s why it’s still spreading like wildfire in certain areas


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[Cherie]

How on earth would a member of the public or one of her neighbours know where she’d been unless she’d told them



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According to the paper she was ‘spotted’ going in to the house by a neighbour

[Cherie]

There are thousands also breaking many of the rules .... that’s why it’s still spreading like wildfire in certain areas


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It’s within the rules if they are in her bubble though

She is 50 soon, if she had a gathering for that, it would be a news story, going on her own to see her elderly parents for reasons unknown and getting hammered for it is OTT imo

[Vicky.]

I refuse to demonise someone for seeing their family tbh, I feel we are at a sad stage in society if people get mad that someone went to see their ****ing parents. Yes its 'maybe' (as there are a LOT of bubbles) 'against the rules' but when we are at the stage of kicking off at someone seeing their elderly parents after months and months..I feel society is in a BAD place. I would join in with the lynching if she had gone to some huge house party or something. But from what it sounds like, no. And I agree the neighbour is a twat, tbh.

It is unrealistic to expect people to have no contact with others long term. For a short time, yes, but these lockdowns are NOT short term.

[joeysteele]

Well if they would have loved to do that, then they should have. The only person stopping them was themselves.

When the rules are inhumane, then don't comply with them.

What's really inhumane is to risk putting others in unnecessary danger by our own actions.

So no surprise I respectfully both dismiss and disagree then with every word you've just said.

What if she'd broken down, taken ill herself and already overstretched resources had to be called out to help her.
No, I've no sympathy.
I couldn't be with family dying from covid nor be at their funerals either.
No sympathy from me to her or support either.

[Zizu]

I refuse to demonise someone for seeing their family tbh, I feel we are at a sad stage in society if people get mad that someone went to see their ****ing parents. Yes its 'maybe' (as there are a LOT of bubbles) 'against the rules' but when we are at the stage of kicking off at someone seeing their elderly parents after months and months..I feel society is in a BAD place. I would join in with the lynching if she had gone to some huge house party or something. But from what it sounds like, no. And I agree the neighbour is a twat, tbh.

It is unrealistic to expect people to have no contact with others long term. For a short time, yes, but these lockdowns are NOT short term.



Nicely put !



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[Alf]

What's really inhumane is to risk putting others in unnecessary danger by our own actions.

So no surprise I respectfully both dismiss and disagree then with every word you've just said.If this country had have thought that way in 1939 then we wouldn't be here.

[Vicky.]

There are ways to do it without putting others in danger though. Totally quarantine yourselves from the world for a bit befre going. Have a test. Keep away frm others. Etc.

Also, we do not now if she has a reason for a bubble..so she might not even be breaking any rules.

The lynch mob for someone seeing family (even without knowing anything about it besides, the meeting happened) is depressing.


Back in lockdown 1..when more people were watching neighburs and that..the guy down the road was having his daughter over regularly still. Before bubbles were even a thing too IIRC (Because we allowed my mother in law to come to us, in the same timeframe and got a lot of **** for it. However, she would almost certainly have topped herself if totally isolated, so it was a benefit V risk thing for us). The bitch across the road from us reported them,..and bragged about it too in a 'I will show HIM' kind of way. Well, in short, he had been diagnosed as terminally ill and had 3 months to live. So would actually have been dead by the time he was allowed to see family. I hope she felt bad about that tbh. I am not saying this has happened here, but the reasons are 100fold.

[Alf]

I'd rather be shot dead on the spot then be separated from my loved ones.

[joeysteele]

There are ways to do it without putting others in danger though. Totally quarantine yourselves from the world for a bit befre going. Have a test. Keep away frm others. Etc.

Also, we do not now if she has a reason for a bubble..so she might not even be breaking any rules.

The lynch mob for someone seeing family (even without knowing anything about it besides, the meeting happened) is depressing.


Back in lockdown 1..when more people were watching neighburs and that..the guy down the road was having his daughter over regularly still. Before bubbles were even a thing too IIRC (Because we allowed my mother in law to come to us, in the same timeframe and got a lot of **** for it. However, she would almost certainly have topped herself if totally isolated, so it was a benefit V risk thing for us). The bitch across the road from us reported them,..and bragged about it too in a 'I will show HIM' kind of way. Well, in short, he had been diagnosed as terminally ill and had 3 months to live. So would actually have been dead by the time he was allowed to see family. I hope she felt bad about that tbh. I am not saying this has happened here, but the reasons are 100fold.

Er, I'm not part of any lynch mob thank you.

We were told she had a distressing call from her Father.
We don't know the nature of it.

If it required her setting off driving hundreds of miles, then what was it?.

You don't know it was necessary to set off and take all the time it would take to drive hundreds of miles too.

I've had many distressing texts and calls with loads of my family, who've been left devastated by covid and not able to be with loved ones.

We could have broken rules but chose to think of ALL others not just ourselves.

So I'm not going to support anyone driving and travelling hundreds of miles.
When I wasn't even able to drop into a neighbouring town myself.

Who would seriously or wisely have only in their bubble someone who was hundreds of miles away.!!!

[Vicky.]

Well I wasn't including you in the lynch mob tbf, that seems more social media, but you seem to be getting very upset that she had the GALL to go and see her parents. Which is..a bit depressing. I get that some are sticklers for rules. I do. But when rules make as little sense as a lot of the rules we are currently asked to follow...at some stage people do start to bend them somewhat, in order to work best for their own situation. Even if the 'rules' were consistent, people will start to ignore them when one of them is stay away from all society for MONTHS. Weeks, yeah I could join in with the 'omg why cant they stay away' stuff...but when its months, I really can't. Like, humans are social animals. And we don't tend to do well in isolation. At this stage in the game, I have anger for people having massive meetups, but not for those just wanting some social interaction, or who are checking on elderly family members, or anything like that.

If I got a 'distressing call' from my dad, and he lived ages away, yes, I would be going to help him. Regardless of if Boris said it was ok or not.

[arista]

[New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has
ordered the country's biggest city Auckland
to go into lockdown after the discovery
of three new local cases of Covid-19.
The measures will last three days and
require residents to stay at home.
Ms Ardern said the country was
going "hard and early" after the
cases were identified.
New Zealand has won widespread
praise for its handling
of the pandemic, going months without
community transmission.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56059960

Lucky New Zealand,

[Cherie]

I refuse to demonise someone for seeing their family tbh, I feel we are at a sad stage in society if people get mad that someone went to see their ****ing parents. Yes its 'maybe' (as there are a LOT of bubbles) 'against the rules' but when we are at the stage of kicking off at someone seeing their elderly parents after months and months..I feel society is in a BAD place. I would join in with the lynching if she had gone to some huge house party or something. But from what it sounds like, no. And I agree the neighbour is a twat, tbh.

It is unrealistic to expect people to have no contact with others long term. For a short time, yes, but these lockdowns are NOT short term.

Completely agree, there has to be some flex in there

[Scarlett.]

I feel like if she had a good enough reason for visiting her mother, she shouldn't be punished, it can't be black and white.

[joeysteele]

Well I wasn't including you in the lynch mob tbf, that seems more social media, but you seem to be getting very upset that she had the GALL to go and see her parents. Which is..a bit depressing. I get that some are sticklers for rules. I do. But when rules make as little sense as a lot of the rules we are currently asked to follow...at some stage people do start to bend them somewhat, in order to work best for their own situation. Even if the 'rules' were consistent, people will start to ignore them when one of them is stay away from all society for MONTHS. Weeks, yeah I could join in with the 'omg why cant they stay away' stuff...but when its months, I really can't. Like, humans are social animals. And we don't tend to do well in isolation. At this stage in the game, I have anger for people having massive meetups, but not for those just wanting some social interaction, or who are checking on elderly family members, or anything like that.

If I got a 'distressing call' from my dad, and he lived ages away, yes, I would be going to help him. Regardless of if Boris said it was ok or not.


Well we cannot complain at a government if they fail to quickly enough bring in rules we all should follow.
When they then in fact do bring them in, but some can just discount those rules.
Getting support to do so.

If people intend to break the rulings no matter with long travel restrictions..
That's for them.
HOWEVER they're doing wrong.

I wouldn't which is why before the first lockdown I got my Mother over to the UK and my house with me to protect her.
I couldn't have once the lockdown was in place and I couldn't have gone to her either.

The virus isn't going to say, oh it's okay,that person's journey is necessary, it won't infect them.

Anyway, I disagree with you.
The government put rules in place to protect ALL,
In that then for me, no one, not members of that government, celebrities, other officials or general public are above those rules.

Had she sought permission to travel, and was given it, fine.
If it turns out she did, ( although she hasn't stated that), then I'd withdraw my criticism of her unreservedly.

However it seems to me at present more likely another celebrity possibly thinking they can do whatever they like, regardless of safety rules,.

[joeysteele]

[New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has
ordered the country's biggest city Auckland
to go into lockdown after the discovery
of three new local cases of Covid-19.
The measures will last three days and
require residents to stay at home.
Ms Ardern said the country was
going "hard and early" after the
cases were identified.
New Zealand has won widespread
praise for its handling
of the pandemic, going months without
community transmission.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56059960

Lucky New Zealand,

Yes and they'll obey it and do it.
No messing about from the New Zealand leader and she's right.

[LukeB]

Many people have stayed away from their parents during this time so I get people are frustrated when others are doing that but I think Amanda had a good enough reason I guess I just hope she was responsible.

[Alf]

Yes and they'll obey it and do it.
No messing about from the New Zealand leader and she's right.She's a dictator.

[joeysteele]

She's a dictator.

Nah, just efficient, doing her job right and keeping ALL her citizens as safe as they can be.

[bots]

If nothing happened to Cummings, why should Holden be any different

[arista]

She's a dictator.


No thats China


She is clamping down fast
and keeping Covid-19
very low infections.

[joeysteele]

If nothing happened to Cummings, why should Holden be any different

That's a valid point.

However I am just saying she was wrong and she's said nothing to change my view as to a necessary reason.

Nor am I saying anything should happen to her for doing so either.

Although an ordinary member of the public would likely be fined at least.
No likely messing on that one.

[smudgie]

Not a fan of Amanda Holden, but as a daughter going to visit her elderly parents after a distressing phone call then I couldn’t really fault her.
We are all responsible for ourselves and our loved ones, making sure great care is taken not to spread covid, but sometimes circumstances have to be weighed up and decisions made.

[Nicky91]

She's a dictator.

imagine calling such a lovely lady and a very stable leader a dictator

she even did so well as for corona regulations it got her re-elected by the people

[Alf]

imagine calling such a lovely lady and a very stable leader a dictator

she even did so well as for corona regulations it got her re-elected by the peopleYou don't need to imagine it, I called her it.

[Alf]

You think you can call Trump a dictator at the drop of a hat, but think she is protected because she is a woman?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.497 new cases

135 new hospitalisations (1.859 in total)

19 new patients on ICU (530 in total)

23 new deaths

[arista]

Sunday 14/2/21

Today 258 died

10,972 have caught Covid-19 today.


Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943

117,116 Total Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

And of course today over 15 million have been vaccinated.

[Vanessa]

Sunday 14/2/21

Today 258 died

10,972 have caught Covid-19 today.


Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943

117,116 Total Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

And of course today over 15 million have been vaccinated.

The numbers are all going down.

[Zizu]

The numbers are all going down.



I take zero notice of Sat / Sun /Monday stats tbh


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[arista]

I take zero notice of Sat / Sun /Monday stats tbh



Yes I agree.

[Zizu]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Live at 5PM
The Prime Minister at 10 Downing St


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[DouglasS]

There's millions likely who would have loved to go and visit family.
Even be with them when ill.
Or even at their funerals.
Who haven't been able to for near a year too.

No excuse for Holden, just as there was none for Cummings really or Stephen Kinnock in lockdown periods either.

No sympathy from me for Holden.
Another who may think rulings don't apply to her and her family.

To be brutally honest Joey, if your parents called you in distress/panic and needed you would you not go see them? I’d actually argue it’s more in humane to ignore their plea for help and heartless to just do nothing... your loyalties should lie with parents / children.

I understand you may live with family so wouldn’t truly understand? I don’t even like Holden but I think you are judging without knowing the circumstances, sometimes it’s actually more ethical to break a rule.. imagine if they ended up dying and she just stayed at home?

You may be willing to sell out your loyalties and care to family for the government rules, but I’m certainly not

[Nicky91]

To be brutally honest Joey, if your parents called you in distress/panic and needed you would you not go see them? I’d actually argue it’s more in humane to ignore their plea for help and heartless to just do nothing... your loyalties should lie with parents / children. I understand you may love with family so wouldn’t truly understand? I don’t even like Holden but I think you are judging without knowing the circumstances, sometimes it’s actually more ethical to break a rule.. imagine if they ended up dying and she just stayed at home?

''sometimes actually more ethical to break a rule''

:umm2:

you can never come up with excuses to break the covid regulations though, that is wrong

[DouglasS]

''sometimes actually more ethical to break a rule''

:umm2:

you can never come up with excuses to break the covid regulations though, that is wrong

If my family were in danger than yes there is definitely an excuse, I don’t care if people ageee with me or not :laugh:

[Zizu]

Israel Covid situation

They have been trialling a drug TREATMENT that is giving AMAZING results

Medics in Israel have been given the go-ahead for a third trial of a relatively new drug after successfully testing the treatment on a number of severely ill Covid-19 patients, of which 90 per cent fully recovered within a week, according to multiple media reports.

The drug, Allocetra, aims to slow or halt an extreme overreaction of the immune system, a so-called cytokine storm. It often follows a coronavirus infection and is believed to be responsible for many Covid-related deaths as it regularly leads to organ failure.


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[Cherie]

If my family were in danger than yes there is definitely an excuse, I don’t care if people ageee with me or not :laugh:

I agree with you, I think Amanda is getting alot of backing, its completely different to someone having a party they could put on hold for a few months, the two are not comparable at all

[AnnieK]

I think most people, if faced with a desperate call from a loved one, would feel compelled to go to them. I have adhered to the rules to the letter and more but if my Dad needed me for something urgent, I would go to him, rules or not

[DouglasS]

I think most people, if faced with a desperate call from a loved one, would feel compelled to go to them. I have adhered to the rules to the letter and more but if my Dad needed me for something urgent, I would go to him, rules or not

To be honest I think the vast vast majority agree with this, which is why I find it crazy people are judging others who are put in a situation where elderly family are distressed in need.

Like I said I believe it is actually more heartless to do nothing... Priorities are important - and family should be top of the list.. if not that’s slightly concerning (unless you are not close due to other reasons ofc)

[Alf]

I think most people, if faced with a desperate call from a loved one, would feel compelled to go to them. I have adhered to the rules to the letter and more but if my Dad needed me for something urgent, I would go to him, rules or notI'd visit my mother without a desperate call. I do visit my mother and she visits me, because that's normal behaviour.

I'm willing to fight and defend myself against anybody who want's to try and stop me.

[AnnieK]

I'd visit my mother without a desperate call. I do visit my mother and she visits me, because that's normal behaviour.

I'm willing to fight and defend myself against anybody who want's to try and stop me.

It was more hypothetical really Alf as I do see my Dad as he is on his own so he is part of our bubble. If for any reason though I wasn't around I know if my Dad rung my brother....250+ miles away in Surrey, he wouldn't think twice about coming either.

[arista]

[Covid: Australia halts New Zealand
travel bubble over Auckland lockdown]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56063335

[joeysteele]

To be brutally honest Joey, if your parents called you in distress/panic and needed you would you not go see them? I’d actually argue it’s more in humane to ignore their plea for help and heartless to just do nothing... your loyalties should lie with parents / children.

I understand you may live with family so wouldn’t truly understand? I don’t even like Holden but I think you are judging without knowing the circumstances, sometimes it’s actually more ethical to break a rule.. imagine if they ended up dying and she just stayed at home?

You may be willing to sell out your loyalties and care to family for the government rules, but I’m certainly not

I have perhaps been unusually more judgemental here.

However I knew, if lockdown was coming, I wouldn't have been able to get where my Mother was.
So before lockdown got her to my home for whatever time is necessary.

If there's a strong reason, then once I hear it, then I have said I'd withdraw my criticism unreservedly.

I'm not sure how more distressing things can be as to my Aunts and one my Mum's Sister dying with covid in homes.
Neither I nor my Mum able to visit them, sit with them, see them even.
Not to be there as their lives lost.
Then not be able to be even at their funerals.

Things don't get that much more distressing than that.

I in these uncertain and frightening times of the last year, wouldn't have wanted or would have been hundreds of miles away from my Mum
My Dad we lost over 4 years ago.

So at this time, I can't say if I'd agree with her travelling hundreds of miles, no.

It isn't for me to say she can or can't.
Did she ask if it was within rules to set off hundreds of miles, we don't know.

If it was deemed vitally necessary then I'd withdraw my personal criticism which is all it is.
However, I cannot fairly condemn the government when it acts too slowly or not severe enough.

Then when it does,
To protect ALL.
Even by saying you can't travel from one area to another..
If I then selectively support anyone doing what they like.

Then I lose my credibility on attacking those in power who should put in place protections, if they didn't do so.

However, believe me there's not much more distressing than watching your Mum torn apart at the loss of her Sister from covid in a so called care home.
Not able to see her, visit her, be with her or at her funeral.
Because we had to obey the rules of protection for ALL others in place.

So I take on board what you say however, I still don't know the facts as to if this was a vital hundreds of miles journey.
Which no one does really I think possibly.

I'll think on what you've said however.

[arista]

Israel Covid situation

They have been trialling a drug TREATMENT that is giving AMAZING results

Medics in Israel have been given the go-ahead for a third trial of a relatively new drug after successfully testing the treatment on a number of severely ill Covid-19 patients, of which 90 per cent fully recovered within a week, according to multiple media reports.

The drug, Allocetra, aims to slow or halt an extreme overreaction of the immune system, a so-called cytokine storm. It often follows a coronavirus infection and is believed to be responsible for many Covid-related deaths as it regularly leads to organ failure.


https://youtu.be/o_8x2VOV3hA

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SkyNewsHD was just Live in Israel

[Zizu]

SkyNewsHD was just Live in Israel



Did they mention the new revolutionary treatment ?

It was apparently on World News a week ago !?!


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[Nicky91]

exciting times today for Netherlands, this afternoon first time we will have one of those experimental tests with socially distanced audience at some entertainment shows (on the picture you see the distanced seating on stage the stand-up comedian that will perform)

https://i.imgur.com/9ZY4Y73.jpg

[arista]

Did they mention the new revolutionary treatment ?

It was apparently on World News a week ago !?!




Yes in brief
most of it was about getting the younger folks
to get a vaccine using social media etc.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/15/14/39315448-0-image-m-30_1613400996564.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9261803/Englands-ACTUAL-Covid-hotspots-Infection-rates-tripled-0-6-wards-week.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/15/12/39310954-9261803-image-a-4_1613391893739.jpg

Some of you are in these zones

[Samm]

they better re-open gyms sooner this time, it has proven to be safe throughout when it was open.

[Zizu]

they better re-open gyms sooner this time, it has proven to be safe throughout when it was open.



Even though it’s indoors ??

Can’t imagine many wearing a masks if they’re exercising either .

I saw a local gym was open last year but they were exercising outside in the car park .. looked very odd tbh

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[arista]

Live Now

10 Downing St.


Also, Prof. Chris Whitty & Sir Simon Steven in Charge of the NHS

He said 60% in Hospital
are under 70

[arista]

Monday 15/2/21

Today 230 have died.

9,765 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943


117,396 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

more about the experimental tests in Netherlands regarding audiences

Participants were divided into bubbles. Each group does not interact with people in the other bubbles. They have their own entrance, their own toilets, etc.

The different bubbles get assigned a color. In this test yellow, blue and green, with wristbands, and they follow different rules (to test what works). Some wear a face mask while walking, taking it off while sitting. Others have plexiglass shields between the seats. The green bubble in this experiment did not have any rules. They could behave just like before corona (but they were tested twice, of course).

Next tests planned:

20 February: theater show (500 visitors)
21 February: football match (1500)
28 February: football match (1500)
6 March: dance event in Ziggo Dome (1300)
7 March: concert in Ziggo Dome (1300)
13 March: dance festival (outside) (1500)
14 March: pop festival (outside) (1500)

[Vicky.]

Nicky, that experiment sounds interesting actually. As any results..could be written off as 'reaching herd immunity', 'outdoors' or whatever...but in adding different rules for different groups..it shows whats actually making the difference, if theres a difference.

[Nicky91]

Nicky, that experiment sounds interesting actually. As any results..could be written off as 'reaching herd immunity', 'outdoors' or whatever...but in adding different rules for different groups..it shows whats actually making the difference, if theres a difference.

yes if it does work, might be good news in light of a upcoming event like Eurovision Song Contest somehow, to potentially fill up some of the places with some audience (although no standing places is already confirmed and a green room closer to the stage)

[Vicky.]

I do think its a bit..premature to be focusing on large crowd events though tbf. BUT the time will come where thats whats being asked, so no issues in sorting the data early I guess.

[arista]

The PM has Concluded.

[Vanessa]

Monday 15/2/21

Today 230 have died.

9,765 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943


117,396 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Things are improving so much. I'm happy!

[arista]

Things are improving so much. I'm happy!



Always low on Monday after Sundays.

Let's see Tomorrow

[Nicky91]

I do think its a bit..premature to be focusing on large crowd events though tbf. BUT the time will come where thats whats being asked, so no issues in sorting the data early I guess.

it won't be a large crowd as normal, if a audience then in small amounts but i wouldn't mind if there is no audience, i mean the green room already is nice to be closer to the stage, how artists/delegations can cheer for each other and yes that is number one priority for EBU and broadcasters to get special permission from all countries for artists to come here (if necessary some older delegation members to stay home and be there virtually via zoom/skype screen)

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

I'm glad he's standing his ground, rushing it would be destructive

[Zizu]

I'm glad he's standing his ground, rushing it would be destructive



Exactly... plus thankfully I don’t see ALL schools going back on 8th March as seems expected by so many


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[Vanessa]

Yes, I'm glad he's being cautious.
Opening up needs to be done gradually.

[Zizu]

I vaguely recall in the first few days of the vaccinations that a couple of people had bad reactions to the jab but 15 million vaccinations later I’ve heard of no other severe reactions?!?

Seems kinda odd ??


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[joeysteele]

I'm pleased to see he is to proceed with caution.
Also that he's not listening to the wilder elements of his own party with yet another grouping, now more anti lockdown.

[Vicky.]

I vaguely recall in the first few days of the vaccinations that a couple of people had bad reactions to the jab but 15 million vaccinations later I’ve heard of no other severe reactions?!?

Seems kinda odd ??


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More reactions will appear the more are vaccinated I guess. And everybodys body is different. Hence having the situation where many do not even feel slightly ill with covid, when someone else ends up on a ventilator...
Have not heard of any 'serious' reactions, but anecdotally it appears flu type symptoms are VERY common. Mind, apparently they are listed as 1/10 chance of occuring. I think it seems like more really..BUT that could be down to...well people aren;t really going to say, if they didnt get a reaction, more likely to say if they did?

The goverment also, have a vested interest in NOT scaring people out of getting the vaccine, so I assume some have had very bad reactions but its been kept out of the press. No way have millions been done without at least a few suffering badly..

[arista]

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[Zizu]

More reactions will appear the more are vaccinated I guess. And everybodys body is different. Hence having the situation where many do not even feel slightly ill with covid, when someone else ends up on a ventilator...

Have not heard of any 'serious' reactions, but anecdotally it appears flu type symptoms are VERY common. Mind, apparently they are listed as 1/10 chance of occuring. I think it seems like more really..BUT that could be down to...well people aren;t really going to say, if they didnt get a reaction, more likely to say if they did?



The goverment also, have a vested interest in NOT scaring people out of getting the vaccine, so I assume some have had very bad reactions but its been kept out of the press. No way have millions been done without at least a few suffering badly..



I did a actually wonder about that last part ..


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[joeysteele]

More reactions will appear the more are vaccinated I guess. And everybodys body is different. Hence having the situation where many do not even feel slightly ill with covid, when someone else ends up on a ventilator...
Have not heard of any 'serious' reactions, but anecdotally it appears flu type symptoms are VERY common. Mind, apparently they are listed as 1/10 chance of occuring. I think it seems like more really..BUT that could be down to...well people aren;t really going to say, if they didnt get a reaction, more likely to say if they did?

The goverment also, have a vested interest in NOT scaring people out of getting the vaccine, so I assume some have had very bad reactions but its been kept out of the press. No way have millions been done without at least a few suffering badly..


Among all the people I know of who have had the vaccine..
Only a couple have really been unwell after.

With like flu and headache which they were warned could be the case although they were worse than they expected it to be.

As I said my own Mum was only extremely tired after with no other issues, so far.
Thankfully.

However your last paragraph, I would still agree with wholeheartedly.
I'd say you are correct in your thinking there.
It makes total sense that any really bad after effects would be played down and not be raised as a statistic.
Not while the roll.out of the vaccine is being intensified further anyhow.

Interesting point that was.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Has anyone had there vaccine yet

[user104658]

Has anyone had there vaccine yetMy wife has (NHS staff) and I'm sure there are a couple on here who have. As a group overall most people here won't have yet as we're a bunch of spring chickens.

[Cherie]

Has anyone had there vaccine yet

My aunt and loads of her friends, all good

Ness has had hers as well, and Smithy

[Lewismacfarlane]

I'm going in 2 weeks for my vaccine

[AnnieK]

My Dad had his....absolutely no side effects. Although he now has shingles but don't think its related (no matter what one of his friends-who refused their vaccine- tried to convince him it is) :laugh:

[Cherie]

My Dad had his....absolutely no side effects. Although he now has shingles but don't think its related (no matter what one of his friends-who refused their vaccine- tried to convince him it is) :laugh:

shingles are usually caused by stress and a lowered immune system, I wish him better x

[Cherie]

I'm going in 2 weeks for my vaccine

My younger son is booked in on 26th

[AnnieK]

shingles are usually caused by stress and a lowered immune system, I wish him better x

Thank you.....he feels ok but the rash is painful. X

[user104658]

My Dad had his....absolutely no side effects. Although he now has shingles but don't think its related (no matter what one of his friends-who refused their vaccine- tried to convince him it is) :laugh:

IN THEORY it's not totally impossible... technically, almost everyone who has had chicken pox in their life has the shingles virus, it lies dormant forever but can re-surface as Shingles, because of immune system stuff or sometimes basically at random. So I guess... theoretically... it's not impossible that after a vaccine, the immune system being busy creating antibodies could allow shingles a foothold.

It wouldn't be a reason not to vaccinate though, shingles is unpleasant but very rare for it to be serious.

[Nicky91]

the only reason i am not vaccinating myself is i don't go anywhere and we live in a 'bubble' i guess, i've never had a active social life tbh, other than (in secret from my parents) being on forums

now it is also sorted for me by my parents i am on waiting list for online grocery shopping, i got 5.134 people in front of me :skull:

[Lewismacfarlane]

My younger son is booked in on 26th

My mums going the same day as me

[user104658]

i've never had a active social life tbh, other than (in secret from my parents) being on forums


.... are you not "allowed" to be on forums / on TiBB, Nicky?

[Vicky.]

My father in law got shingles a couple of days after his flu jab last year..

He still said he prefers the shingles to flu. I always thought it was massively painful but either he played it down a lot, or its not!

[Cherie]

My mums going the same day as me

Neither me or Mr C qualify yet, he got called as he had a pnemothorax (collapsed lung) a few years ago, so he gets called for the flu vaccine now, so I expect he is on their list of 'clinically vulnerable', he wasn't asked to shield though so not sure why he is so high up the list, probably because it's lungs!

[Vicky.]

My husband is meant to get his flu vaccine, has turned it down for years though (after 2 bad years in a row, where he caught flu right after getting it, so convinced himself the vaccine was giving him it..rather than the vaccine only protects against some flus and it was bad luck). I wonder if this means he might be due soon..as he IS meant to get the flu one. He only gets it on the grounds of asthma though, which is quite controlled by his inhaler..which apparently was changed early on to mean he is NOT higher risk than others.

[AnnieK]

My husband is meant to get his flu vaccine, has turned it down for years though (after 2 bad years in a row, where he caught flu right after getting it, so convinced himself the vaccine was giving him it..rather than the vaccine only protects against some flus and it was bad luck). I wonder if this means he might be due soon..as he IS meant to get the flu one. He only gets it on the grounds of asthma though, which is quite controlled by his inhaler..which apparently was changed early on to mean he is NOT higher risk than others.

I think its only brittle asthma that is now considered "high risk"

[user104658]

My husband is meant to get his flu vaccine, has turned it down for years though (after 2 bad years in a row, where he caught flu right after getting it, so convinced himself the vaccine was giving him it..rather than the vaccine only protects against some flus and it was bad luck). I wonder if this means he might be due soon..as he IS meant to get the flu one. He only gets it on the grounds of asthma though, which is quite controlled by his inhaler..which apparently was changed early on to mean he is NOT higher risk than others.

Flu rates this year are actually at rock bottom levels. They've discovered, essentially, that while PPE/lockdown/social distancing has a real battle against Covid infection rates... it seems to have a HUGE impact on influenza infection rates. Flu hospitalizations are way, way down.

[Vicky.]

Flu rates this year are actually at rock bottom levels. They've discovered, essentially, that while PPE/lockdown/social distancing has a real battle against Covid infection rates... it seems to have a HUGE impact on influenza infection rates. Flu hospitalizations are way, way down.

Ha. So the memes about covid finally wiping out influenza are actually true?! :hehe:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/15/16/39317996-9262791-image-m-24_1613406287188.jpg


Your Menu
while at a Covid Hotel 10 day stay

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/15/16/39318946-9262791-image-a-46_1613406851974.jpg


Yes give it a Good Spray.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9261933/Mother-landed-Heathrow-two-children.html

[arista]

BBC reports
Dutch Curfew a Court rules it unlawful

[Vicky.]

I genuinely do not get what use a curfew is meant to be. Especially when they reckon its basically spreading in private homes, hospitals and care settings.

Surely a curfew, is just encouraging people to stay the night, in whichever home they are in, thus making things worse.

Same as I saw the 10pm closing for pubs to be counterproductive, as people then just went and finished the night in a house, or got drunk before they went out, or drank faster!

[arista]

I genuinely do not get what use a curfew is meant to be. Especially when they reckon its basically spreading in private homes, hospitals and care settings.

Surely a curfew, is just encouraging people to stay the night, in whichever home they are in, thus making things worse.

Same as I saw the 10pm closing for pubs to be counterproductive, as people then just went and finished the night in a house, or got drunk before they went out, or drank faster!



Nicky's nation was in a Panic as Covid-19
was spreading to fast.

[arista]

BBC just reported Birmingham Airport
people off a flight have been fined £10,000
for not telling the staff they had come from a red list nation.


Trying to not go
to Hotel, they would have to pay

[Vicky.]

BBC just reported Birmingham Airport
people off a flight have been fined £10,000
for not telling the staff they had come from a red list nation.


Trying to not go
to Hotel, they would have to pay

..that seems really stupid, of course the staff in the airport will know whch flight you came in from?! Not understanding those who think they can hide this..unless am missing something again

[arista]

..that seems really stupid, of course the staff in the airport will know whch flight you came in from?! Not understanding those who think they can hide this..unless am missing something again


You get the Mega Fine
if you fill in the form with the wrong nation.



Thats what the Heath Secretary said
all will get that £10,000 fine.

[Vanessa]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/15/16/39317996-9262791-image-m-24_1613406287188.jpg


Your Menu
while at a Covid Hotel 10 day stay

That menu looks quite nice.

[Vicky.]

You get the Mega Fine
if you fill in the form with the wrong nation.



Thats what the Heath Secretary said
all will get that £10,000 fine.

Yeah I know this, but...why would you fill in the form saying the wrong thing..when its easy for them to catch you out given they have all your travel details..seems really daft

[arista]

Yeah I know this, but...why would you fill in the form saying the wrong thing..when its easy for them to catch you out given they have all your travel details..seems really daft



A few could

[arista]

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[arista]

That menu looks quite nice.



So it should, they are paying alot.

[Cherie]

So it should, they are paying alot.

where are they travelling from and why would be a better question

[Zizu]

.... are you not "allowed" to be on forums / on TiBB, Nicky?



What do we know about Nicky ?!
Male / female .. age ??


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[arista]

The 4 Passengers all got £10,000 Fine each

[arista]

where are they travelling from and why would be a better question


One couple from Brazil

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/16/11/39350828-0-image-m-5_1613473893405.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/16/11/39347764-9265045-image-a-1_1613474965661.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9265045/UK-spots-33-cases-Covid-variant.html

[user104658]

At this point I'm relatively confident that the reason they're discovering endless "new strains" is simply that they've started looking for them, and there have been a number of strains in the general population from the beginning or close to it. Makes absolutely no logical sense that there were "no" dramatic mutations for 10+ months and now all of a sudden, numerous strains are emerging in the space of a few weeks.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, all viruses mutate..its being made out like this is some rare occurrence thats only just started happening now, rather than it starting as soon as the virus was 'alive'

[user104658]

Yeah, all viruses mutate..its being made out like this is some rare occurrence thats only just started happening now, rather than it starting as soon as the virus was 'alive'

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-scientists-found-40-mutations-of-the-coronavirus-report-says/

This is a report from a study done in Iceland... the article is dated late March 2020. I know that many of the "40" mentioned will be very minor mutations and when things are announced in the press as a new strain, it's usually a larger deviation, HOWEVER the following in particular stood out to me straight away;

“There is another type from people who were infected in Italy. And there is a third type of virus found in people infected in England. Seven people had attended a football match in England.”

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: no more curfew now all thx to the anti-maskers who wanted this curfew banned :bored:

[Nicky91]

watch new cases go massively up again all bc of those vile selfish anti-maskers who only care about that stupid economy

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Rutte decision on curfew ruled unlawful serious, and decommissionary parliament will appeal against the court's decision

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/keep-to-the-curfew-prime-minister-urges-as-government-launches-an-appeal/

[Zizu]

Governments still not learning from previous mistakes imho
Giving schools just 3 working days to prepare for next Monday is just heartless and unnecessary .. at least give them an extra week to organise things


Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is due to set out later her government's plans for getting pupils currently in Covid lockdown back into classrooms . Currently, the youngest pupils and older children who have to do coursework are due back in from next week. And while Ms Sturgeon has said she is "very keen" to have a phased return to school, Scottish ministers will review the latest coronavirus data and scientific advice before confirming the next steps later.

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[arista]

The 4 Passengers all got £10,000 Fine each


A link at last.


[Four air passengers have each been
fined £10,000 for failing to declare they
had travelled from a "red-list" country,
West Midlands Police has said.
They were stopped at border control
by officials and were not able
to leave Birmingham Airport.
Under new rules, arrivals in England have
to quarantine in hotels,
if within the last 10 days they have
been in a country deemed a high Covid risk.
The "red list" of 33 countries
includes Portugal, Brazil and South Africa.
The regulations came into effect on Monday
and the four passengers had been fined by midday,
a senior officer told a meeting of the
West Midlands Strategic Policing and Crime Board.
Temporary Assistant Chief Constable
Chris Todd said that in the same timeframe,
the airport received six passengers who
did declare travel from a red-list country,
who were taken to a quarantine hotel.
But of the offenders he added: "There are
some people who have attempted to hide
their routes but that's not worked out."
Birmingham Airport is one of five in
England where people requiring hotel quarantine
can enter the UK.
Those who fail to self-isolate as required
face fines of £5,000 to £10,000,
while anyone who lies on their
passenger locator form
about having been in a country on the
red list faces a prison sentence
of up to 10 years.
The rules aim to stop coronavirus variants
entering the UK.
It was not clear in the board meeting
which country or countries the fined
parties had been in.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56086248

[arista]

Governments still not learning from previous mistakes imho
Giving schools just 3 working days to prepare for next Monday is just heartless and unnecessary .. at least give them an extra week to organise things


Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is due to set out later her government's plans for getting pupils currently in Covid lockdown back into classrooms . Currently, the youngest pupils and older children who have to do coursework are due back in from next week. And while Ms Sturgeon has said she is "very keen" to have a phased return to school, Scottish ministers will review the latest coronavirus data and scientific advice before confirming the next steps later.



Yes Scotland taking more care.

[Cherie]

Governments still not learning from previous mistakes imho
Giving schools just 3 working days to prepare for next Monday is just heartless and unnecessary .. at least give them an extra week to organise things


Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is due to set out later her government's plans for getting pupils currently in Covid lockdown back into classrooms . Currently, the youngest pupils and older children who have to do coursework are due back in from next week. And while Ms Sturgeon has said she is "very keen" to have a phased return to school, Scottish ministers will review the latest coronavirus data and scientific advice before confirming the next steps later.

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Pretty sure Westminster said schools in England would get two weeks notice

[Josy]

Governments still not learning from previous mistakes imho
Giving schools just 3 working days to prepare for next Monday is just heartless and unnecessary .. at least give them an extra week to organise things


Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is due to set out later her government's plans for getting pupils currently in Covid lockdown back into classrooms . Currently, the youngest pupils and older children who have to do coursework are due back in from next week. And while Ms Sturgeon has said she is "very keen" to have a phased return to school, Scottish ministers will review the latest coronavirus data and scientific advice before confirming the next steps later.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProShe announced this weeks ago though (obviously depending on cases etc) so theyve had more than a few days notice

[arista]

She announced this weeks ago though (obviously depending on cases etc) so theyve had more than a few days notice


Yes she did
it was a short bit on England news.

[Vicky.]

Wouldnt it be 3 weeks notice..if its 8th March. Unless thats changed too?

Edit. Oh sorry, of course Scotland is different to England :facepalm:

[UserSince2005]

when the gyms reopening?

[arista]

when the gyms reopening?



Find out next Monday

[UserSince2005]

Find out next Monday

i hope they open soon, my muscled body is just about holding up

[arista]

Tuesday 16/2/21

Today 799 died

10,625 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,001

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,805

118,195 total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

netherlands won't publish its numbers anymore

out of protest for those vile anti-maskers who got rid of the curfew

[Vanessa]

Tuesday 16/2/21

Today 799 died

10,625 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
21,001

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,805

118,195 total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Things are definitely improving, bit deaths still too high.

[Nicky91]

well things will become worse and worse now in Netherlands, with a third wave, fourth wave, fifth wave

wouldn't surprise me if we go into 50k daily new cases, all bc of VirusTruth, terrorist Willem Engel and his trailer trash loyalists :bored:


feeling very depressed now

[arista]

netherlands won't publish its numbers anymore

out of protest for those vile anti-maskers who got rid of the curfew


So Just the Total
on the John Hopkins link.

[Nicky91]

meanwhile my neighbours Germany good idea

https://www.thelocal.de/20210216/german-health-minister-plans-free-coronavirus-rapid-tests

https://www.thelocal.de/20210216/explained-how-germany-will-change-covid-19-strategy-and-ramp-up-testing

plans for free coronavirus quicktestkits for all residents to test themselves at home

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuWzxYWXEAIBWQl?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

meanwhile my neighbours Germany good idea

https://www.thelocal.de/20210216/german-health-minister-plans-free-coronavirus-rapid-tests

https://www.thelocal.de/20210216/explained-how-germany-will-change-covid-19-strategy-and-ramp-up-testing

plans for free coronavirus quicktestkits for all residents to test themselves at home


Yes Good they are Free

[Zizu]

meanwhile my neighbours Germany good idea

https://www.thelocal.de/20210216/german-health-minister-plans-free-coronavirus-rapid-tests

https://www.thelocal.de/20210216/explained-how-germany-will-change-covid-19-strategy-and-ramp-up-testing

plans for free coronavirus quicktestkits for all residents to test themselves at home



Let’s hope they are more reliable than the LFD ones used in schools currently.. as low as 48% accurate apparently


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[Nicky91]

Yes Good they are Free

yes very useful for those who still have to go to work, not many since the majority enjoy working from home and most are allowed also to work from home

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thursday will be 2 weeks since my old mum caught Covid in hospital, just
spoke with her and she is ok and doing well. Ironically she is in there because
she had heart failure and breathing difficulties but she is a tough old bird and
tomorrow she is 82. I wont say that its not been a stressful time but :fc:

[Vanessa]

Thursday will be 2 weeks since my old mum caught Covid in hospital, just
spoke with her and she is ok and doing well. Ironically she is in there because
she had heart failure and breathing difficulties but she is a tough old bird and
tomorrow she is 82. I wont say that its not been a stressful time but :fc:

I'm glad she's feeling better :love:

[Scarlett.]

Thursday will be 2 weeks since my old mum caught Covid in hospital, just
spoke with her and she is ok and doing well. Ironically she is in there because
she had heart failure and breathing difficulties but she is a tough old bird and
tomorrow she is 82. I wont say that its not been a stressful time but :fc:

All the best to her and hope she pulls through! She sounds tough!

[Vanessa]

My sister told me she got tested in Italy today and she was negative. Great news!

[Crimson Dynamo]

All the best to her and hope she pulls through! She sounds tough!

thank you Scarlett

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm glad she's feeling better :love:

yes i told her that she takes so many flippin tablets a day she probably has been dead since 2003 and is a zombie

she did not say she isnt


:worry:

[AnnieK]

Thursday will be 2 weeks since my old mum caught Covid in hospital, just
spoke with her and she is ok and doing well. Ironically she is in there because
she had heart failure and breathing difficulties but she is a tough old bird and
tomorrow she is 82. I wont say that its not been a stressful time but :fc:

Aw, glad she is feeling better. What a trouper. Will she be discharged soon?
Hope she has a good birthday :love:
Are you able to visit her?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aw, glad she is feeling better. What a trouper. Will she be discharged soon?
Hope she has a good birthday :love:
Are you able to visit her?

thank you

no all i can do is drop stuff off so i go 3 times a week with a bag. she has been in all this year

[AnnieK]

thank you

no all i can do is drop stuff off so i go 3 times a week with a bag. she has been in all this year

Well fingers crossed she gets out soon :love:

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
showed a Police Raid on an Illegal party
in a Birmingham Factory.
Saturday Night.

70 Young People all got £200 fines


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/watch-police-find-150-people-19845828

[Vicky.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/16/11/39350828-0-image-m-5_1613473893405.jpg

Good timing for the bad news though eh...'a vaccine is the only way out of this!'. 'We have vaccine, now its about getting the vulnerable sorted!', 'Everyone needs it, not just the vulnerable'. 'OMG, the vaccine is effectively useless because mutations, so not the light at the end of the tunnel!'

[Cherie]

Thursday will be 2 weeks since my old mum caught Covid in hospital, just
spoke with her and she is ok and doing well. Ironically she is in there because
she had heart failure and breathing difficulties but she is a tough old bird and
tomorrow she is 82. I wont say that its not been a stressful time but :fc:

Aw Im glad she has pulled through it, hope she is home soon xx

[Zizu]

Experiment shows great results suggesting you’re 90% less likely to die if treated with high dose vitamin D on arrival at hospital. This Spanish trial involved almost a thousand (930) patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19, who were randomly given vitamin D or not. Of those given vitamin D, 5% ended up in ICU, compared to 21% in the control group. Only 6.5% on vitamin D died compared to 15% in the control group.

So, if you’re hospitalised with COVID-19, you’d be four times less likely to end up in ICU if you dose up with vitamin D, and three times less likely to die if you do. That means you’re over 90% less likely to die if you are hospitalised with COVID- 19, if you’re dosed up with calcifediol (the pre-converted form of Vitamin D).

The study from a Barcelona ICU is going through peer-review, probably to be published soon in the Lancet, and proves a causal link - not just an association - between vitamin D and COVID-19 mortality.

Patients were given the pre-converted form of vitamin D, calcifediol, 532mcg on day 1, 3, 7, 15 and 30. That’s 2,660mcg over the month. You can’t exactly compare, but that would be 100,000iu over the month.

The vitamin D you make, or supplement, has to be converted into calcifediol, a process that can take three days, thus this form (calcifediol) is more appropriate when an immediate increase in the ultimate hormonal form of vitamin D is needed quickly.




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[Zizu]

Experiment shows great results suggesting you’re 90% less likely to die if treated with high dose vitamin D on arrival at hospital. This Spanish trial involved almost a thousand (930) patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19, who were randomly given vitamin D or not. Of those given vitamin D, 5% ended up in ICU, compared to 21% in the control group. Only 6.5% on vitamin D died compared to 15% in the control group.

So, if you’re hospitalised with COVID-19, you’d be four times less likely to end up in ICU if you dose up with vitamin D, and three times less likely to die if you do. That means you’re over 90% less likely to die if you are hospitalised with COVID- 19, if you’re dosed up with calcifediol (the pre-converted form of Vitamin D).

The study from a Barcelona ICU is going through peer-review, probably to be published soon in the Lancet, and proves a causal link - not just an association - between vitamin D and COVID-19 mortality.

Patients were given the pre-converted form of vitamin D, calcifediol, 532mcg on day 1, 3, 7, 15 and 30. That’s 2,660mcg over the month. You can’t exactly compare, but that would be 100,000iu over the month.

The vitamin D you make, or supplement, has to be converted into calcifediol, a process that can take three days, thus this form (calcifediol) is more appropriate when an immediate increase in the ultimate hormonal form of vitamin D is needed quickly.




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For what it’s worth I’ve been taking 4000iu of VitD3 for weeks now

( 4 x 1,000 if capsules )


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[AnnieK]

For what it’s worth I’ve been taking 4000iu of VitD3 for weeks now

( 4 x 1,000 if capsules )


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My dad got sent a supply.of vitamin D for free from the government because he was shielding so there could be something in it

[Vicky.]

If vitamin D is so important for recovery and such, why on earth are there still people screaming for the lockdown to be tightened(not just UK) to include not even having the outdor exercise part?! And really, you would think more outdoorsy stuff would be encouraged from the government, get that vit D naturally, as much as possible!

Vit D, more healthy in general if outside more, plus outdoors so almost 0 covid risk..hmm

[bots]

yeah, ive been swallowing vitamin D as well. There is no concrete evidence of it helping against covid, but it does no harm having a supplement over the winter months anyway

[Ammi]

Thursday will be 2 weeks since my old mum caught Covid in hospital, just
spoke with her and she is ok and doing well. Ironically she is in there because
she had heart failure and breathing difficulties but she is a tough old bird and
tomorrow she is 82. I wont say that its not been a stressful time but :fc:

...when she’s fully recovered I hope that you give her a good talking to for terrifying you like that...I’m so pleased that she seems to be doing so well and I hope that each day she becomes stronger and stronger in her health...parents are such a worry...

[Crimson Dynamo]

...when she’s fully recovered I hope that you give her a good talking to for terrifying you like that...I’m so pleased that she seems to be doing so well and I hope that each day she becomes stronger and stronger in her health...parents are such a worry...

dont worry i will make her pay

:joker:

[Zizu]

yeah, ive been swallowing vitamin D as well. There is no concrete evidence of it helping against covid, but it does no harm having a supplement over the winter months anyway



It seems that the ‘evidence’ is out there ... but because it’s so ridiculously cheap there’s no money to be made by anyone so....


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[Samm]

If vitamin D is so important for recovery and such, why on earth are there still people screaming for the lockdown to be tightened(not just UK) to include not even having the outdor exercise part?! And really, you would think more outdoorsy stuff would be encouraged from the government, get that vit D naturally, as much as possible!

Vit D, more healthy in general if outside more, plus outdoors so almost 0 covid risk..hmm

Yeah 100%! Especially in the summer when cases/deaths were so low

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: curfew will remain for time being

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/coronavirus-curfew-legislation-heads-for-parliament-ahead-of-appeal-court/

curfew legislation heads for parliament ahead of appeal in court

[Zizu]

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What’s going on with those arms :)

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[arista]

Covid: Boris Johnson to focus on 'data,
not dates' for lockdown easing

New interview in Wales today,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56095552

[arista]

Wednesday 17/2/21

738 have died

12,718 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
20,944

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,708


118,933 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/