Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

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Education Secretary is Live
both News Channels now
Parliament.
Test Updates,

[user104658]

FFS just give the kids finishing school this year some flexibility in terms of their grading - who cared if they get an A instead of a B? They've had their education massively disrupted and frankly doing anything other than leaning towards the generous side would be abhorrent.

Basically the only thing grades are needed for is access to higher education. It's not like they're going to get there "when they shouldn't have" and then somehow become an incompetent professional... if they don't have the intelligence or ability to gain a higher qualification, they won't gain a higher qualification. There is literally no real issue with a couple of years of inflated grades during a global pandemic.

[Zizu]

FFS just give the kids finishing school this year some flexibility in terms of their grading - who cared if they get an A instead of a B? They've had their education massively disrupted and frankly doing anything other than leaning towards the generous side would be abhorrent.

Basically the only thing grades are needed for is access to higher education. It's not like they're going to get there "when they shouldn't have" and then somehow become an incompetent professional... if they don't have the intelligence or ability to gain a higher qualification, they won't gain a higher qualification. There is literally no real issue with a couple of years of inflated grades during a global pandemic.



Exactly !!!


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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: the 4 other test events have been sold out within no time, 1.000 people a event so 4.000 tickets of people who are willing to be test subjects at stand up comedy performances, music festivals, or a football match

exciting times now


all must stick to the strict rules, must wear a face mask at all times and remain in their own 'bubble' 1.5 metre distanced from any of the other 'bubbles'

now also more supervision on employees (given at first experiment a employee who tested positive as only person to test positive)

[arista]

Ealing
West London is doing fast testing
after South African Dangerous Covid-19 Variant has been found.

All media

[Zizu]

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Nailed it !!



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[arista]

Thursday 25/2/21

Today 323 have died

9,985 have caught Covid-19

25 February
No update to hospital data in England
[Due to technical issues, NHS England were
not able to produce an update to data for
individual hospitals for publication on the dashboard.
Data will be released in the next regular
Thursday update at the latest.]

Patients in hospital Yesterdays

16,059

Patients on ventilation Yesterdays
2,118



122,070 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

All numbers are coming down. Brilliant!

[Zizu]

All numbers are coming down. Brilliant!



Sadly not ALL places are coming down .. there’s still cause for concern ..
Just on the radio that new infections in a Gtr Manchester town have actually risen by 16% in the last 7 days ..


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[arista]

USA Johnson & Johnson
50million ordered
By The PM

One Shot.

[Vanessa]

Sadly not ALL places are coming down .. there’s still cause for concern ..
Just on the radio that new infections in a Gtr Manchester town have actually risen by 16% in the last 7 days ..


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We'll get there once we have vaccinated all the groups at
risk.
Won't take long.

[Vanessa]

USA Johnson & Johnson
50million ordered
By The PM

One Shot.

Brilliant.

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[arista]

All numbers are coming down. Brilliant!


We are in a Lockdown
of course some numbers come down

[Nicky91]

France is considering a third lockdown again (though it would be disastrous for the economy)

[joeysteele]

We are in a Lockdown
of course some numbers come down

It's in a great part why they are down.
I do think the vaccines help.
Although the vaccines don't stop you getting it, they just help avoid very serious hospitalisation and probable death.

They don't stop likely long covid either as not even time or data exists for to assess that.

Yes though, the figures are down, as from March to June last year because of lockdown mostly, I agree with that.

[Vanessa]

It's in a great part why they are down.
I do think the vaccines help.
Although the vaccines don't stop you getting it, they just help avoid very serious hospitalisation and probable death.

They don't stop likely long covid either as not even time or data exists for to assess that.

Yes though, the figures are down, as from March to June last year because of lockdown mostly, I agree with that.
The vaccine is definitely helping.
Without it the numbers would be much higher, because if the variants.

[Vanessa]

Some countries like France and Germany have realised that the only way out is with the vaccine.
After they told their people that it wasn't safe :facepalm:

[Zizu]

It's in a great part why they are down.

I do think the vaccines help.

Although the vaccines don't stop you getting it, they just help avoid very serious hospitalisation and probable death.



They don't stop likely long covid either as not even time or data exists for to assess that.



Yes though, the figures are down, as from March to June last year because of lockdown mostly, I agree with that.



That top guy on Sky said it helped massively in reducing the numbers of ‘long Covid’ as if you don’t get Covid you can’t get ‘long Covid’ ...


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/appeal-court-says-curfew-is-justified-state-can-refer-to-extraordinary-circumstances/

Netherlands: appeal court says curfew is justified, state can refer to extraordinary circumstances

Appeal court judges in The Hague said on Friday that the government had introduced the curfew in mid January on valid legal grounds, tearing up last week’s lower court verdict. The lower court had ruled that the curfew had been based on legislation designed to cover emergencies such as a dyke breach, and said that there was no question of similar urgency in the case of coronavirus. However, the appeal court said that the current circumstances can be considered ‘extraordinary’ and this made the introduction of the curfew an option. ‘The coronavirus pandemic is sufficient cause,’ the court said.

‘The court is also of the opinion that introducing a curfew is proportional, given other measures are not available,’ the judges said in their ruling. ‘The (temporary and limited) infringement of various fundamental rights, such as the right to freedom of movement, is therefore justified.’ Last week’s legal wrangling led the government to bring in emergency legislation to anchor the curfew in law, which has now been passed by both houses of parliament. Friday’s ruling means that the 33,000 fines handed out to people for breaking the curfew, which runs from 9pm to 4.30am, remain in place. Campaign group Viruswaarheid, which brought the case against the curfew, said they will appeal to the Supreme Court and, possibly, bring a new case against the new legislation.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

5.151 new cases (another major rise compared to last few weeks, days)

186 new hospitalisations 10 less than yesterday (1.864 in total)

32 new ICU patients 3 more than yesterday (525 in total)

65 new deaths (death average of last 7 days is 52)

[joeysteele]

That top guy on Sky said it helped massively in reducing the numbers of ‘long Covid’ as if you don’t get Covid you can’t get ‘long Covid’ ...


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The vaccines currently don't stop you getting covid though.

[Nicky91]

cases continue to rise, and thx to public we need to relax our measures :facepalm:

[Zizu]

The vaccines currently don't stop you getting covid though.



Well there’s never been a vaccine created in the history of mankind that was 100% effective .. I will settle for 85 to 95% protection and the knowledge I won’t end up in hospital or die ..


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[arista]

5PM Live Health Secretary/ Prof Van Tam/ Dr. Hopkins

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[Cherie]

Whats Matty Hanny going to tell us now :worry:

[arista]

Live Now 10 Downing St.

All Media.

[arista]

Friday 26/2/21


Today 345 Deaths

8,523 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
15,485

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,047

Total UK deaths : 122,415

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Van Tams First Image shows the worse zones
Midlands/Scotland Central/Northern Ireland.

[arista]

He has Concluded

[Cherie]

JVT :love:

[Vanessa]

Friday 26/2/21


Today 345 Deaths

8,523 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
15,485

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,047

Total UK deaths : 122,415

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Going down. Yes!

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Saturday 27/2/21

Today 290 died

7,434 have caught Covid-19



Patients in hospital
Latest available
14,808

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,971

122,705 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

BBC1 London news showed loads in the parks
and streets, have being told to keep a distance
as they do not.


In London 678 tested as with Covid -19 today
they said.

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[joeysteele]

Well there’s never been a vaccine created in the history of mankind that was 100% effective .. I will settle for 85 to 95% protection and the knowledge I won’t end up in hospital or die ..


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Yes, however I said that.
My point is that those vaccinated can still get covid and still infect others of all ages.

So until we have all vaccinated plus the nearest certainly of other strains not being resistant to the vaccine.
Then caution should be the main thing.

Long covid is devastating too.
Yes, it's not hospitalisation worrying about dying or in a comatose or sedated state, with possible death round the corner.

It's life limiting nonetheless, with many left with serious breathing problems and other internal organ damage too.

More is learned as time goes on but there's not enough data yet to be even certain of long term outcomes or effects of the vaccines.

[user104658]

To be fair Joey, we don't know that people who are vaccinated can still transmit the virus. We just don't know that they CAN'T so it's still sensible to act as though they can, until we have enough data to know for sure.

[bots]

people are starting to ignore restrictions again. The sun is shining and people have had enough of the restrictions, it's gone on too long

[arista]

people are starting to ignore restrictions again. The sun is shining and people have had enough of the restrictions, it's gone on too long


Yes the Covid Spreaders are out in the Sunshine

[Vicky.]

people are starting to ignore restrictions again. The sun is shining and people have had enough of the restrictions, it's gone on too long

People will only listen for so long. I am surprised its kept up this long really, given SAGE were stressing even back last March thinking the public would only tolerate it for a very short while. Done a lot better than I thought for sure (I was positive, a LOT would ignore it this time around, but it seems to have still been 90% ish compliance, like in march?). This is why it HAS to be the last lockdown really. I cannot see people 'agreeing' to it again. Regardless of any stats changes or anything. Especially after being told for ages the vaccine is the way out. For it to change to 'oh no, actually its not'...

[Vicky.]

Yes the Covid Spreaders are out in the Sunshine

If they are out in the sunshine, they are unlikely to be spreading really. Look how the second wave never hit til schools went back...despite people crowding round each other (mainly outside...omg beaches, second wave, VE day, second wave, protests, second wave...never happened) for months over summer. It seems really hard to pass on outside..not including purposely coughing in someones face or something!

[Vanessa]

If they are out in the sunshine, they are unlikely to be spreading really. Look how the second wave never hit til schools went back...despite people crowding round each other (mainly outside...omg beaches, second wave, VE day, second wave, protests, second wave...never happened) for months over summer. It seems really hard to pass on outside..not including purposely coughing in someones face or something!

That means we can go to the seaside this year. Cant wait: dance:

[joeysteele]

To be fair Joey, we don't know that people who are vaccinated can still transmit the virus. We just don't know that they CAN'T so it's still sensible to act as though they can, until we have enough data to know for sure.

Well, exactly, we don't know they can't.
So it's possible they can..
Which means the only certain thing known is, it should prevent hospitalisation and being comatose or in a sedated state plus possible death.

Which is entirely the point.

My Mum was told to still carry on with her shielding even though she'd had the vaccination.

Of course more will get known as time passed , nowhere have I yet heard however for certain, that those vaccinated, can't get the virus or not infect others too.
In fact I can't see how if they can still get the virus how it's then possible they can't infect others.
The nature of infectious elements of the virus haven't changed

So I'll make sure I will and that my Mum dues too, err on the side of caution until certainty is known.

The vaccines currently help enormously, a lot of the problem remains however until.much more, and I mean much more is known and analysed, especially after the second vaccinations too.

I know I come across rather paranoid on covid, I'll admit I am and not the best of people to discuss it with.
As for the first time just about for me, I can't separate the personal devastation from much else over this pandemic.
So I'm quite content to be a little paranoid.
It's why I avoid even saying much on covid on here now too.

I'll just keep myself, my Mum and mine as safe as they'll let me.

[DouglasS]

I personally can’t wait to go out to the gyms, pubs and clubs. Will go the second they’re available. That will be once all the elderly, vulernable and older folks will have been vaccinated - so let’s not make people feel guilty for living their lives. If people choose to not take the vaccine then that’s on them if they get sick as unfortunate as it is (it is highly highly unlikely to impact children and under 30s and these will be the people unvaccinated by this point..). My sympathies do lie with people who cannot be vaccinated but this population is literally less than 1% of the population and there are multiple vaccines to further decrease this percentage, but the world cannot stop. Sadly some may die with it in their system still, but the majority of these deaths probably won’t even be linked to covid-19 due to their immunity once vaccinated... also unfortunately people do die of illness in life - if they didn’t the world would not sustain.

I have already booked multiple festivals this year and I’m looking forward to it!

[DouglasS]

Some good news is that by tomorrow we will have made it through the three coldest months of the year where covid is most transmissible.

[Zizu]

Well, exactly, we don't know they can't.
So it's possible they can..
Which means the only certain thing known is, it should prevent hospitalisation and being comatose or in a sedated state plus possible death.

Which is entirely the point.

My Mum was told to still carry on with her shielding even though she'd had the vaccination.

Of course more will get known as time passed , nowhere have I yet heard however for certain, that those vaccinated, can't get the virus or not infect others too.
In fact I can't see how if they can still get the virus how it's then possible they can't infect others.
The nature of infectious elements of the virus haven't changed

So I'll make sure I will and that my Mum dues too, err on the side of caution until certainty is known.

The vaccines currently help enormously, a lot of the problem remains however until.much more, and I mean much more is known and analysed, especially after the second vaccinations too.

I know I come across rather paranoid on covid, I'll admit I am and not the best of people to discuss it with.
As for the first time just about for me, I can't separate the personal devastation from much else over this pandemic.
So I'm quite content to be a little paranoid.
It's why I avoid even saying much on covid on here now too.

I'll just keep myself, my Mum and mine as safe as they'll let me.



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Plus this snippet .. a possible ‘cure’ being used in Israel ?!?!?



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[arista]

Russia's Sputnik V Covid vaccine works well against
UK and South African variants of the virus, researchers say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9309105/Russias-Sputnik-V-vaccine-works-against-UK-South-African-variants-researchers-say.html

[Vicky.]

I personally can’t wait to go out to the gyms, pubs and clubs. Will go the second they’re available. That will be once all the elderly, vulernable and older folks will have been vaccinated - so let’s not make people feel guilty for living their lives. If people choose to not take the vaccine then that’s on them if they get sick as unfortunate as it is (it is highly highly unlikely to impact children and under 30s and these will be the people unvaccinated by this point..). My sympathies do lie with people who cannot be vaccinated but this population is literally less than 1% of the population and there are multiple vaccines to further decrease this percentage, but the world cannot stop. Sadly some may die with it in their system still, but the majority of these deaths probably won’t even be linked to covid-19 due to their immunity once vaccinated... also unfortunately people do die of illness in life - if they didn’t the world would not sustain.

I have already booked multiple festivals this year and I’m looking forward to it!

I don't blame you. I am not a drinker at all really but once I can, will be in the pub :laugh:

Taxi driver yesterday said he was dreading the 'proper opening' (meaning, allowed to serve indoors) as he reckons it will be at least a week, maybe longer...of new year style crowds. And half the drivers dont work there at the min either, so those who do will have to weather it til they KNOW the works there

[Nicky91]

people are starting to ignore restrictions again. The sun is shining and people have had enough of the restrictions, it's gone on too long

then lock the people up, barricade people's homes

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.729 new cases (237 less than yesterday, but still more than average)

39 new hospitalisations (1.848 in total)

8 new ICU patients (526 in total)

21 new deaths (20 less than yesterday)

[arista]

Sunday 28/2/21

Today 144 have died.

6,035 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
14,808

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,971


122,849 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

then lock the people up, barricade people's homes


Thats China
They nailed home Front doors

[MTVN]

Great numbers today in the UK

[Vanessa]

Sunday 28/2/21

Today 144 have died.

6,035 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
14,808

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,971


122,849 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Wow. Things are really getting better.
The vaccine really works! :cheer2:

[Zizu]

Great numbers today in the UK



Maybe not so GREAT is the breaking news that at least 6 cases of the more worrying Brazilian variant has been found today in England and Scotland..

The article says they’re going to contact them but I’d prefer to see them being isolated somewhere.

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[Nicky91]

one of my mom's nieces had the AstraZeneca vaccine today

some of those AZ vaccinations are being done in one of my cities landmarks, Evoluon (with its waiting room in the restaurant of that building)

[Vanessa]

one of my mom's nieces had the AstraZeneca vaccine today

some of those AZ vaccinations are being done in one of my cities landmarks, Evoluon (with its waiting room in the restaurant of that building)

I've had the Oxford vaccine as well. It's good.

[joeysteele]

Great numbers today in the UK

It's Sunday's figures for starters.
Plus they should be better numbers, not that I'd call over 100 deaths great.

They should HOWEVER be better figures, we've been in lockdown since 6th January..

It would be massively worrying if they weren't improving as to still rising infections and rising deaths of loved ones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some good news is that by tomorrow we will have made it through the three coldest months of the year where covid is most transmissible.

Yes Spring starts tomorrow

[MTVN]

It's Sunday's figures for starters.
Plus they should be better numbers, not that I'd call over 100 deaths great.

They should HOWEVER be better figures, we've been in lockdown since 6th January..

It would be massively worrying if they weren't improving as to still rising infections and rising deaths of loved ones.

It doesn't matter what day it is because you can compare week on week to last Sunday and they're way better

Cases 39% lower than last Sunday, deaths 33% lower than last Sunday

Take the win, don't poke holes

[Crimson Dynamo]

great to see families out and about this weekend enjoying the weather and not hiding at home like rabbits

[Vanessa]

I plan to go out and enjoy the sunshine this week.
I refuse to hide in my house for good.
Outside there's less risk anyway.

[Kate!]

I plan to go out and enjoy the sunshine this week.
I refuse to hide in my house for good.
Outside there's less risk anyway.

Good on you. Xx I've been sat outside for an hour or so today. Lovely.

[Vanessa]

Good on you. Xx I've been sat outside for an hour or so today. Lovely.

Can't wait to go to the seaside. As soon as it's allowed in off :laugh:

[joeysteele]

It doesn't matter what day it is because you can compare week on week to last Sunday and they're way better

Cases 39% lower than last Sunday, deaths 33% lower than last Sunday

Take the win, don't poke holes


Well my apologies for not seeing anything great about anyone's loved ones deaths, especially over a hundred of them.

[Zizu]

Maybe not so GREAT is the breaking news that at least 6 cases of the more worrying Brazilian variant has been found today in England and Scotland..

The article says they’re going to contact them but I’d prefer to see them being isolated somewhere.

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Soooo apparently one of the six people didn’t complete the paperwork and can’t be traced ?!!

Is there no mention of this story on the news at all ??




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[joeysteele]

Soooo apparently one of the six people didn’t complete the paperwork and can’t be traced ?!!

Is there no mention of this story on the news at all ??




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I don't know about the issue you mention there as to the Brazilian virus.
However they are mentioning that strain of the virus now on Sky news.

Perhaps they will mention your concern.

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No New Labour Brown
you Failed,
never even got Elected Officially
So Bogg Off

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I dread to think how we ever trace an unknown dangerous murderer or a faceless terrorise bomber IF we can’t locate someone who they have actually tested positive for the Brazilian variant and is a significant threat to the whole UK .

Plus what’s the point of testing if we are letting them go free into the country ??


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[bots]

they know the flight, so they will be able to track the person down. The media want a narrative so they will make it no matter what

[Samm]

they know the flight, so they will be able to track the person down. The media want a narrative so they will make it no matter what

Yeah, it’s all scaremongering at this point. It’s even be said the current vaccine is still effective against this variant just maybe not as much. It’ll be more worrying if it was an unknown variant.

[arista]

they know the flight, so they will be able to track the person down. The media want a narrative so they will make it no matter what


He did not fill his details on the card.
How can they track this sloppy git.


A home kit posted in.

[bots]

He did not fill his details on the card.
How can they track this sloppy git.

because they have his name and passport info from the flight. It's not hard

[arista]

because they have his name and passport info from the flight. It's not hard


[The person did not complete a test registration
form so remains unidentified - prompting an appeal
for anyone without a result from a test
on 12 or 13 February to come forward.

Labour said there had been a lack
of a "comprehensive" border system.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56234302

[Zizu]

they know the flight, so they will be able to track the person down. The media want a narrative so they will make it no matter what



This incident dates back to the 10th February !!


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[Zizu]

He did not fill his details on the card.
How can they track this sloppy git.


A home kit posted in.



What happened to the proposed 30 minutes testing at the airport ?
They’re not exactly that busy at the moment, surely ?


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[Zizu]

because they have his name and passport info from the flight. It's not hard



Yes .. if nothing else they should be able to get a face to face meeting with beach person / family on that flight .. even give them a 30 minute test and also take swabs ..


Some countries would have every passenger confined now ..


This is a serious matter after all


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[arista]

What happened to the proposed 30 minutes testing at the airport ?
They’re not exactly that busy at the moment, surely ?





This traveller was before all that,

[Zizu]

This traveller was before all that,



The flight was apparently was on February 10th ... I presumed we’d tightened things up since these new variants started circulating.. as I said there are so few flights they actually now have time to do any necessary testing


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[arista]

5PM Live today Health Secretary



SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD

LBC
Radio5

[Zizu]

I must say all this news of the Brazilian variant being ‘somewhere’ in the uk very unsettling ... it apparently spreads like wildfire and there’s thousands of people in Brazil who got the Brazilian one AFTER they’d already suffered with the original Covid months previously .

That basically suggests that everyone can potentially get the Brazilian one now ( apart from MAYBE the folk who’ve had a vaccine-as they’re HOPING the vaccines will give some protection)




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[Zizu]

The arrival of this Brazilian variant has come just at the wrong time for all us working in education ...

They are trying to convince us that our schools and colleges will be Covid free due to all the kids having home testing kits .. these are the very same LFD tests used in Liverpool which are apparently as low as 48% accurate when done by a trained adult so I don’t see how the home testing option is going to give BETTER accuracy rates than that .


:::::

On this morning’s BBC Breakfast, interviewer Naga Munchetty put it to Mr Gibb that the tests “detected just 48.9 per cent of Covid-19 infections in asymptomatic people”. The schools minister replied: “No, about a third have false negatives”. He added that pupils would get two tests each, three days apart.

There was a similar exchange in the House of Commons earlier in the week, when SNP MP Philippa Whitford confronted Mr Hancock with the results of a study that “revealed a sensitivity of just 48 per cent, meaning that over half of those with the virus would be falsely reassured they were negative”.



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[arista]

Push on with the vaccine


Van Tam says

[Zizu]

Right..

The government know that this missing person was on the Swissair flight lx 318 from Switzerland to the Uk on the 10th Feb so I don’t really understand why they are asking people to come forward .

Why hasn’t EVERY person on the flight been contacted already ??

Presumably many will be in family groups which makes things easier.


How on earth do we ever catch unknown murderers and terrorists if we can’t even locate someone we have every known detail about . ???


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[Cherie]

Right..

The government know that this missing person was on the Swissair flight lx 318 from Switzerland to the Uk on the 10th Feb so I don’t really understand why they are asking people to come forward .

Why hasn’t EVERY person on the flight been contacted already ??

Presumably many will be in family groups which makes things easier.


How on earth do we ever catch unknown murderers and terrorists if we can’t even locate someone we have every known detail about . ???


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I wonder if it is a data protection thing? hard to say really

whoever picked the form up didn't look at it properly to check it was complete :skull:

[Cherie]

Surge testing for the Brazilian variant in South Gloucs, is that you MTVN?

[Zizu]

Just watching the briefing now and it’s not even clear that the missing person was even on the flight ... maybe just a routine , random home testing test result ?


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[Vanessa]

Wow, I've never seen the numbers this low.
Vaccines are doing their job.

[arista]

Wow, I've never seen the numbers this low.
Vaccines are doing their job.


On a Monday they are.

[Cherie]

On a Monday they are.

Last Monday they were almost double that?

[MTVN]

Surge testing for the Brazilian variant in South Gloucs, is that you MTVN?

It's near, the testing is being concentrated on a couple of commuter towns just outside Bristol

Thankfully I am just over the border in uninfected Gloucestershire :hee:

[Cherie]

It's near, the testing is being concentrated on a couple of commuter towns just outside Bristol

Thankfully I am just over the border in uninfected Gloucestershire :hee:

Phew :love:

[arista]

Monday 1/3/21


Today 104 have died

5,445 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
14,808

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,971

122,953 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Last Monday they were almost double that?


So they should be
We are in a LONG lockdown



Cherie

[Cherie]

So they should be
We are in a LONG lockdown



Cherie

true but according to JVT the death rate is falling at a much much faster than in the first peak so..

[Vanessa]

true but according to JVT the death rate is falling at a much much faster than in the first peak so..

The vaccine works.
If we do it every year we could have pretty much a normal life back.

[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2
has a shocking report on Food factorys
Salad Factory up north(Supplying M&S, Tesco & others)
with folks on Low wages, who have to go to work
even if they have Covid-19.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[COVID-19: Brazilian P1 variant may spread more
easily and could evade immune system,
scientists find
Experts from Brazil and the UK estimate the variant
is more transmissible than previous versions
of coronavirus found in Manaus.]

https://news.sky.com/story/brazilian-p1-variant-may-spread-more-easily-and-could-evade-immune-system-scientists-find-12233402

[Vanessa]

Monday 1/3/21


Today 104 have died

5,445 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
14,808

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,971

122,953 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

We're doing so well. Once all adults are vaccinated we should be able to have some normality back.
Can't wait!

[DouglasS]

We're doing so well. Once all adults are vaccinated we should be able to have some normality back.
Can't wait!

Each week it seems to be dropping by around 33%, it’s brilliant news :clap1:

[Vanessa]

Each week it seems to be dropping by around 33%, it’s brilliant news :clap1:

I'm really looking forward to summer now.
Can't wait to go to Southend :hugesmile:

[arista]

Tuesday 2/3/21

Today 343 have Died.

6,391 have caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
12,748

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,806


123,396 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

[Zizu]

I must say all this news of the Brazilian variant being ‘somewhere’ in the uk very unsettling ... it apparently spreads like wildfire and there’s thousands of people in Brazil who got the Brazilian one AFTER they’d already suffered with the original Covid months previously .

That basically suggests that everyone can potentially get the Brazilian one now ( apart from MAYBE the folk who’ve had a vaccine-as they’re HOPING the vaccines will give some protection)




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So Matt Hancock says they’re closing in on the missing person !

They’ve narrowed it down to 379 households in the south east ..


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[Cherie]

So Matt Hancock says they’re closing in on the missing person !

They’ve narrowed it down to 379 households in the south east ..


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:joker:

[bots]

Tuesday 2/3/21

Today 343 have Died.

6,391 have caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
12,748

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,806


123,396 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

when you consider the peak infection rate was 60k per day, it's now 10% of that

[Vanessa]

Tuesday 2/3/21

Today 343 have Died.

6,391 have caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
12,748

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,806


123,396 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
We're winning this!

[arista]

We're winning this!



Hang on
nice lady

This is a Very Long Lockdown
so numbers will be low.


Lets see in 4 weeks?

[arista]

when you consider the peak infection rate was 60k per day, it's now 10% of that


Yes a Very long Lockdown result.

[Kate!]

So Matt Hancock says they’re closing in on the missing person !

They’ve narrowed it down to 379 households in the south east ..


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The person should have come forward themselves. Idiot.

[arista]

The person should have come forward themselves. Idiot.


Maybe they do want to?

[arista]

Isle Of Wight Festival
returns in September.

[Vicky.]

Wasnt that incident like..ages ago now? surely the passenger is not contagious now so they have left it a bit late?!

[Crimson Dynamo]

We're winning this!

yep time to open up and stop the fearmongering

[joeysteele]

The person should have come forward themselves. Idiot.

You'd think they'd have guessed it's him/her they are looking for.

Goodness knows how many people whoever it is has been in contact with.

They'll need all those contacts too, plus who they've been in contact with too.

What a mess.

[Vanessa]

Thank god we have the vaccine to help manage the situation.
Without it there would be no hope.

[Zizu]

The person should have come forward themselves. Idiot.



Matt has said they’re working closely with the Royal Mail .... and that they’ve contacted every one of the households in question.

I do hope they haven’t just sent them all a bladdy letter !!

Imagine how China or Russia would be dealing with a similar situation !!


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[Zizu]

Wasnt that incident like..ages ago now? surely the passenger is not contagious now so they have left it a bit late?!



Nobody knows .... apparently for every ONE we knew about there will be another 30 in circulation ..

So the 6 we have identified MAY well equate to at least 180 in the general public .... and presumably rising as we speak


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[Zizu]

Thank god we have the vaccine to help manage the situation.

Without it there would be no hope.



That’s provided the vaccines we have currently work effectively on the Brazilian P1 variant ...




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[arista]

Ch4HDNews
reports Germany and France
are now using OxfordAstraZeneca Vaccine now.

[Vanessa]

That’s provided the vaccines we have currently work effectively on the Brazilian P1 variant ...




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They should help, I think.

[bots]

Wasnt that incident like..ages ago now? surely the passenger is not contagious now so they have left it a bit late?!

they will want to trace the persons contacts too as they may still be contagious. With everyone being in lock down etc though, the spread should be minimised ... thats the whole point of lockdown :laugh:

[Zizu]

they will want to trace the persons contacts too as they may still be contagious. With everyone being in lock down etc though, the spread should be minimised ... thats the whole point of lockdown :laugh:


So in a few weeks when we’re not in lockdown but the variants are still around ???


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[Vicky.]

So in a few weeks when we’re not in lockdown but the variants are still around ???



Well yeah...and more will emerge also. Short of locking down every country together completely (which is unrealistic, given the amount of people who HAVE to work) for a few weeks..I cannot see any solution to that though.

[bots]

The government is to announce it is extending the furlough scheme until the end of September in Wednesday's Budget.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak said the scheme - which pays 80% of workers' wages - would help millions through "the challenging months ahead".

Some 600,000 more self-employed people will also be eligible for government help as access to grants is widened.

Mr Sunak called the support schemes a "lifeline", but Labour said they should have been extended "months ago".

There are currently about four million people who are using the coronavirus job retention scheme (CJRS) - or furlough - the highest level since last summer.

The scheme has been credited for slowing the pace of job losses as tens of thousands of businesses remain shut, with nine million people furloughed at its peak.

But business groups say the chancellor has taken too long to extend the scheme in the past, creating a cliff edge for employers.

Mr Sunak must also come up with a long-term plan to pay for the schemes, which have contributed to the government borrowing some £270bn since the pandemic began.


- that's good at least

[Vicky.]

Good news, but they don't realistically have a choice in it do they if we are honest. If they are saying places have to shut, or drastically alter their ways so their profit margins disappear, then they have to protect the workers. God, imagine the hell on there would have been without furlough...

[Zizu]

The government is to announce it is extending the furlough scheme until the end of September in Wednesday's Budget.



Chancellor Rishi Sunak said the scheme - which pays 80% of workers' wages - would help millions through "the challenging months ahead".



Some 600,000 more self-employed people will also be eligible for government help as access to grants is widened.



Mr Sunak called the support schemes a "lifeline", but Labour said they should have been extended "months ago".



There are currently about four million people who are using the coronavirus job retention scheme (CJRS) - or furlough - the highest level since last summer.



The scheme has been credited for slowing the pace of job losses as tens of thousands of businesses remain shut, with nine million people furloughed at its peak.



But business groups say the chancellor has taken too long to extend the scheme in the past, creating a cliff edge for employers.



Mr Sunak must also come up with a long-term plan to pay for the schemes, which have contributed to the government borrowing some £270bn since the pandemic began.





- that's good at least



Especially for all the fraudsters ..


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[Vicky.]

There will always be fraud in any system really. Its impossible to make it fraudproof if cash is involved. You kind of have to accept a degree of it, if you want to help those who need the help. I prefer the idea of a fraudster claiming it so 50 others can claim it when they need, than no frausters with more none fraudsters left out in the cold with nowt really

They need to consider some help for those registered as self employed though, especially given it was the tories who kind of encouraged many to go self employed to bring the unemployment benefit stats down somewhat :laugh:

[arista]

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[Zizu]

There will always be fraud in any system really. Its impossible to make it fraudproof if cash is involved. You kind of have to accept a degree of it, if you want to help those who need the help. I prefer the idea of a fraudster claiming it so 50 others can claim it when they need, than no frausters with more none fraudsters left out in the cold with nowt really

They need to consider some help for those registered as self employed though, especially given it was the tories who kind of encouraged many to go self employed to bring the unemployment benefit stats down somewhat :laugh:



Furlough fraud is currently estimated at £5 BILLION and is set to rise substantially... :(

LBC News


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If a healthcare professional is anti-vax, I'd argue they're not fit to practice medicine.

[bots]

the issue is that we need all the NHS staff that we can get. If say 5% refused the jab, it would be a big deal if they were excluded from employment at this stage

[user104658]

the issue is that we need all the NHS staff that we can get. If say 5% refused the jab, it would be a big deal if they were excluded from employment at this stageWell that's the thing - the UK was understaffed in terms of nurses pre-pandemic and another chunk resigned/retired due to the impact of the pandemic itself... Plus we lost another group of nurses from other countries thanks to Brexit - and also have far less wanting to/able to migrate to the UK for the same reason. They're already having to come up with ways to get enough new staff into training without firing more.

However, if not fired, they could find themselves reshuffled into roles that involve less contact with patients/banned from working on certain wards, etc.

[Nicky91]

today officially the day of relaxations in Netherlands

but not really without precautions

non-essential store rules

*only on appointment

*no more than 2 people inside

barbers

*also on appointments only, but bc its being soooo busy now, if you want to make appointment now that might take several weeks



bars/pubs/restaurants remain closed, but out of protest they put their terraces outside with dolls

[Nicky91]

NL: just in now explosion at coronavirus test centre no one was injured

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/explosion-hits-coronavirus-test-centre-in-bovenkarspel-no-injuries/

The regional health board testing centre in Bovenkarspel in Noord Holland has been hit by an explosion, but there were no injuries, police say.

The explosion happened shortly before 7am and the test centre appears to have been the target, local media report. One security guard was on duty at the time.

Broadcaster NOS said a metal pipe exploded outside the building on the Middenweg, but this has not been confirmed. The area has been sealed off while explosives experts check to make sure the location is safe.

The number of positive test results in the Bovenkarspel region has been rising sharply for several days, particularly in nearby Hoorn. Hoorn is now fourth in the list of towns and cities with the most infections per head of the population.

This is not the first time a test centre has been the target of an attack.

Before Christmas, vandals set fire to the test centre on the former island of Urk.

Windows were also smashed at test centres in Amsterdam and in Urmond in Limburg in December.



:(

[Zizu]

I wonder how much protection I’ve got at the moment !

I had my first Pfizer jab 8 days ago ( Tues evening- 23/2/21 ) and I’m due to return to full time work this Friday !!

I don’t think there’s any real cover until day 21 and on Friday I will have 10 days cover :(

Any thoughts peeps ??

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[bots]

take the time as sick leave until you are protected

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

5.090 new cases (more than the week average of 4.658)

177 new hospitalisations (1.946 in total)

49 new ICU patients (549 in total)

48 new deaths

[Cherie]

take the time as sick leave until you are protected

.

Pinged on the app and you have to self isolate

[arista]

[Owing to an issue with the processing of cases data,
the update for 3 March 2021 is delayed.]

[Zizu]

.



Pinged on the app and you have to self isolate



Too late I’ve sent an email in and they’re letting me stay off at least till next Monday and considering my offer of working from home next week and continuing doing the Online Support or me having a week off on sick ...

Worst case scenario is they ask me to return next Monday - by then I’ll have nearly 13 days of cover :(



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[Cherie]

Too late I’ve sent an email in and they’re letting me stay off at least till next Monday and considering my offer of working from home next week and continuing doing the Online Support or me having a week off on sick ...

Worst case scenario is they ask me to return next Monday - by then I’ll have nearly 13 days of cover :(



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I think the immune response is triggered faster in younger adults as early as 14 days

Look after yourself, you can still call in sick, they will manage for a few days

[Zizu]

I think the immune response is triggered faster in younger adults as early as 14 days



Look after yourself, you can still call in sick, they will manage for a few days



It’s such a quandary .. I hate being a nuisance or asking for special treatment BUT then again I don’t want to get seriously poorly ( or worse ) :(

I am the oldest member ( and longest serving... 25 years ) and at 63 I feel so very vulnerable with these new variants in circulation) .

I hate all these tv and radio ads claiming schools are safe ... I don’t know one single person in education who currently feels even remotely safe ... many are considering quitting completely as I’ve mentioned previously.


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[Vanessa]

It’s such a quandary .. I hate being a nuisance or asking for special treatment BUT then again I don’t want to get seriously poorly ( or worse ) :(

I am the oldest member ( and longest serving... 25 years ) and at 63 I feel so very vulnerable with these new variants in circulation) .

I hate all these tv and radio ads claiming schools are safe ... I don’t know one single person in education who currently feels even remotely safe ... many are considering quitting completely as I’ve mentioned previously.


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I think if you wear a mask you'll be ok.
I wear one at work and I feel quite safe.

[Zizu]

I think if you wear a mask you'll be ok.

I wear one at work and I feel quite safe.



Sharing a classroom with over 30 teenagers and a couple of staff is pretty scary with these new virulent strains around ... and teenagers are going about their lives as if there was no Covid .


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[arista]

Wednesday 3 March 21

Today 315 have died

6,385 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
12,849

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,709

123,783 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/dutch-extend-ban-on-passenger-flights-from-uk-south-africa-to-april-1/

Dutch extend ban on passenger flights from UK, South Africa, South America to April 1st

[Vanessa]

I don't think I'll be able to go to Italy this year.
Vaccinations are really behind over there.
I'll have to wait until my family gets vaccinated.
But I can always go on holiday here in the UK.

[Nicky91]

Germany extends Lockdown strict measures until March 28th

regions with low case numbers can relax some measures, non-essential stores and museums

garden centres, florists can reopen either


the lockdown extension had been decided after a meeting of Merkel and regional leaders which lasted over 9 hours, Merkel is hopeful for reopening soon but done with extra caution

https://www.thelocal.de/20210304/merkel-shutdown-germany-new-phase/

very good team Merkel got behind her


reasons for being extra cautious is more the new variants, vaccinations are going well, around 6.5 million people who got a first jab at least, and now with the extra good news of AZ being able to be used on 65+ which is very useful info from the british for them they can vaccinate even more people



also the RKI (robert koch institute) i saw a graphic most dangers of infection are at the pubs, bars, restaurants so those are very likely to be the last ones for reopening, fitness centres, gyms nothing sure about those, still very unknown, the figure skating champion of theirs Katarina Witt was last night at RTL's SternTV to try and get her fitness centre reopened under strict covid protocols but she got a no as a answer from professor hendrik streeck

[AnnieK]

Not sure if people know this but if you are a parent or in a support bubble with school age kids you can now get a supply of the Lateral Flow tests for home testing.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rapid-lateral-flow-testing-for-households-and-bubbles-of-school-pupils-and-staff

[arista]

Not sure if people know this but if you are a parent or in a support bubble with school age kids you can now get a supply of the Lateral Flow tests for home testing.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rapid-lateral-flow-testing-for-households-and-bubbles-of-school-pupils-and-staff


Yes that's Important
to post

I have added it to the Title
Annie

[AnnieK]

Yes that's Important
to post

I have added it to the Title
Annie

Thanks Arista :love:

[Cherie]

good news, is Matthew back on Monday Annie?

[AnnieK]

good news, is Matthew back on Monday Annie?

Yep....he cannot wait. I'll miss him, I feel a little more employed when he's at home but he hates it and can't wait to get back to his mates.

[Vicky.]

Zizu, if you feel uncomfortable 'asking for special treatment'...honestly, just say you were contacted to isolate. They can't prove you weren't, and while its not exactly honest, your mental health, and health in general is more important than a white lie told to an employer who refuses to be flexible tbh.

The way they are conitnually claiming schools are 100% safe is bizarre really. Of course they aren't..even with thousands of measures in place, nowhere is completely safe. But even less so, schools given..well they are basically huge germ factories to begin with.

[Ammi]

...Zizu, I have t read back through the posts completely but there are surely tasks you can do that won’t involve pupil contact/classroom work....and which you would feel less vulnerable doing...and honestly, it isn’t asking for any special treatment to have specific staff individual risk assessments done...

[Ammi]

...the thing about schools as well...(....as a generalisation, obviously...)...is that, although they're reopening and obviously need to be staffed...one year into this, they are also very understanding of mental health effects and concerns and worries etc...none of us could ever have imagined, when we first experienced school closures last year...there is a better understanding from school management teams now also...

[Zizu]

Zizu, if you feel uncomfortable 'asking for special treatment'...honestly, just say you were contacted to isolate. They can't prove you weren't, and while its not exactly honest, your mental health, and health in general is more important than a white lie told to an employer who refuses to be flexible tbh.



The way they are conitnually claiming schools are 100% safe is bizarre really. Of course they aren't..even with thousands of measures in place, nowhere is completely safe. But even less so, schools given..well they are basically huge germ factories to begin with.



Yes the main defence are those pretty useless LFD test kits that were shown to be around 48% accurate IF administered by a trained adult ... these being done at home , presumably by a decent % of pupils doing their own will be even less accurate/reliable.

As regards telling a ‘white lie’ to my bosses ... it’s not something I could ever do plus I’ve already set things in motion by email so it would look very ‘suspicious’ if I said I’d been contacted by track and trace ..

Thanks anyways though ..


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[Vicky.]

I genuinely hope things get sorted for you somewhat. I find the way school staff have been treat throughout this..criminal tbh.

[Ammi]

Yes the main defence are those pretty useless LFD test kits that were shown to be around 48% accurate IF administered by a trained adult ... these being done at home , presumably by a decent % of pupils doing their own will be even less accurate/reliable.

As regards telling a ‘white lie’ to my bosses ... it’s not something I could ever do plus I’ve already set things in motion by email so it would look very ‘suspicious’ if I said I’d been contacted by track and trace ..

Thanks anyways though ..


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...if you told ‘ a white lie’, I personally fear that it might add to your worries, Zizu...well, not add to them as such because some immediate ones wouldn’t be there...but it would just create a new set to replace them, you know....

[Ammi]

I genuinely hope things get sorted for you somewhat. I find the way school staff have been treat throughout this..criminal tbh.

...yeah, there’s that as well, Vicky...but for many school staff, it’s also more a vocation and comparable to medical staff...not for all roles and staff, obviously but for many...

[Zizu]

...if you told ‘ a white lie’, I personally fear that it might add to your worries, Zizu...well, not add to them as such because some immediate ones wouldn’t be there...but it would just create a new set to replace them, you know....



I agree :)

It’ll be fine ...

I’m now resigned to the possibility that I may be expected in next Monday which would give me 12.5 days of vaccine cover ..

So if I continue to be ultra careful and maybe wear a mask under a snood in the classroom I may be ok ..

There’s still the chance they will allow me to work from home until next Wednesday as I’ve requested and that would be even safer ..


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[Zizu]

...yeah, there’s that as well, Vicky...but for many school staff, it’s also more a vocation and comparable to medical staff...not for all roles and staff, obviously but for many...



That’s very true ... I certainly don’t do it for the money :)

I was earning more 30 years ago in the cutthroat world of finance ...


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[Cherie]

Yep....he cannot wait. I'll miss him, I feel a little more employed when he's at home but he hates it and can't wait to get back to his mates.

aw he will be off again in 3 weeks :laugh:

[Vicky.]

...yeah, there’s that as well, Vicky...but for many school staff, it’s also more a vocation and comparable to medical staff...not for all roles and staff, obviously but for many...

Oh I know this.

Its the...'schools are totally safe with no mitgation besides added handwashing'. 'Kids dont tend to get ill so schools are fine'..stuff like that that I think is a bloody disgrace. And the refusal to vaccinate teachers 'earlier' than their age band, that a few friends who work in schools are worried about. That could potentially be area rather than universal though..

Theres so much focus on NHS staff/other keyworkers (as there should be mind, not moaning about that part) meanwhile, teachers are told to just get on with it. Just seems teachers have been utterly ignored, and their safety totally disregarded...because kids are 'safe'.

Edit. Not blaming schools for that^ . Its the government, not the schools.

[Ammi]

That’s very true ... I certainly don’t do it for the money :)

I was earning more 30 years ago in the cutthroat world of finance ...


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...yeah, I totally understand and I’m sure you have the mindset and thought process of it being your children who you would feel as though you were ‘letting down’ and that your colleagues are all feeling the same so you wouldn’t want any ‘special treatment’ that they’re not given...but you really wouldn’t be being given any that others aren’t because every member of a schools staff will also have individual risks to be assessed as well, even when that assessment is minimal risk...so if you feel that you can speak to your Head at all or line manager, then it’s something to think of also because there may be some non contact tasks you can do or continue working from home for a bit longer, as you say...there are always so many things to do in a school that can be done out of the classroom and with no pupil contact etc....

[Zizu]

...yeah, I totally understand and I’m sure you have the mindset and thought process of it being your children who you would feel as though you were ‘letting down’ and that your colleagues are all feeling the same so you wouldn’t want any ‘special treatment’ that they’re not given...but you really wouldn’t be being given any that others aren’t because every member of a schools staff will also have individual risks to be assessed as well, even when that assessment is minimal risk...so if you feel that you can speak to your Head at all or line manager, then it’s something to think of also because there may be some non contact tasks you can do or continue working from home for a bit longer, as you say...there are always so many things to do in a school that can be done out of the classroom and with no pupil contact etc....



Yes .. thanks.. I’ve set things in motion just have to wait a few days ...





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[Zizu]

Any news on that pesky new variant and/or that missing person ??

It all seems to have gone all quiet on the Brazilian front ..


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[Ammi]

Yes .. thanks.. I’ve set things in motion just have to wait a few days ...





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...:hug:..

[Nicky91]

https://www.reuters.com/article/curevac-novartis-production-idUSL5N2L24OE

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/world/curevac-gets-vaccine-production-support-from-novartis-559592/

german CureVac vaccine will be produced by Swiss pharma giant Novartis

[arista]

https://www.reuters.com/article/curevac-novartis-production-idUSL5N2L24OE

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/world/curevac-gets-vaccine-production-support-from-novartis-559592/

German CureVac vaccine will be produced by Swiss pharma giant Novartis


[German biotech firm CureVac has enlisted
Swiss pharma giant Novartis to help with
the production of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine]

Early Days

[Ammi]

Had my vaccine yesterday. It went ok, I didn't even feel it go in tbh but i have a few side effects today with my arm hurting and i feel tired. It took me 4 hours to get out of bed to make some coffee :laugh:

...:love:...I’m so pleased for you, Luke...and yeah, tiredness seems to be quite a common side effect from those people I know who have had it...but it’ll be over in a few days, hopefully...I hope that you’re back to yourself soon, though...but so good to know that you’re on your way to immunity...and tbh, you need lots of sleep now anyway to balance out that big social life you’ll be having in the up and coming when lockdown is lifted...there’ll be no sleeping time then...:love:..

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.161 new cases

167 new hospitalisations (1.923 in total)

31 new ICU patients (539 in total)

33 new deaths

[LukeB]

...:love:...I’m so pleased for you, Luke...and yeah, tiredness seems to be quite a common side effect from those people I know who have had it...but it’ll be over in a few days, hopefully...I hope that you’re back to yourself soon, though...but so good to know that you’re on your way to immunity...and tbh, you need lots of sleep now anyway to balance out that big social life you’ll be having in the up and coming when lockdown is lifted...there’ll be no sleeping time then...:love:..

Oops I deleted the wrong post :laugh:

:love: this is worth it I guess. Definitely no sleeping when going back to work soon so I guess I gotta make the most of it. I don’t normally like sleeping in but I just had to today.

[user104658]

Very encouraging "wednesday numbers" for both cases and deaths in Scotland (the day of the week with peak numbers, almost always);

17th Feb new cases 1121, deaths 64

24th Feb new cases 798, deaths 47

3rd March new cases 500, deaths 24

[bots]

i don't know if its the vaccine that is having the dramatic effect on numbers or not ... but whatever it is, it's great news

[Nicky91]

well Czech Republic is looking quite badly at the moment

with well over 8.000 total of hospitalisations, ICU's filled up, and Poland has provided some support for them, how they can move several patients to some of their hospitals


Czechs can use all support they can get now

[Ammi]

Oops I deleted the wrong post :laugh:

:love: this is worth it I guess. Definitely no sleeping when going back to work soon so I guess I gotta make the most of it. I don’t normally like sleeping in but I just had to today.

...and definitely not much sleeping when you hopefully have that holiday this summer...:love:..at least it’s the vaccine that’s dictating to you atm and not so much the virus... a great thing, eh...:hug:..

[user104658]

i don't know if its the vaccine that is having the dramatic effect on numbers or not ... but whatever it is, it's great news

It's interesting that the deaths seem to be dropping (slightly) faster than overall infections - which could be because of vulnerable groups being vaccinated first (so a smaller proportion of new infections resulting in deaths).

[Vanessa]

Oops I deleted the wrong post :laugh:

:love: this is worth it I guess. Definitely no sleeping when going back to work soon so I guess I gotta make the most of it. I don’t normally like sleeping in but I just had to today.

Yes, same for me. I was fine after the vaccine, but very tired the next day.
Thankfully I had three days to recover.

[arista]

Thursday 4/3/21

Today 242 have died.

6,573 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
12,136

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,647

124,025 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Thursday 4/3/21

Today 242 have died.

6,573 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
12,136

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,647

124,025 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

I'm so happy things are getting better. :love:

[arista]

Germany Live on Ch4HDNews
now using OxfordAstraZeneca
and is going to do what the UK is doing leave the 2nd dose longer
to get more vaccinated.


Matt Frei
was not permitted to Film any
Centre's.


Typical Germans
hiding there Mess up

[Vanessa]

Germany Live on Ch4HDNews
now using OxfordAstraZeneca
and is going to do what the UK is doing leave the 2nd dose longer
to get more vaccinated.


Matt Frei
was not permitted to Film any
Centre's.


Typical Germans
hiding there Mess up

Europe need to catch up.
They're all behind in vaccinations.

[arista]

[Covid: Italy 'blocks' AstraZeneca vaccine
shipment to Australia
The Italian government has blocked the export of
an Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine shipment to Australia.
The decision affects 250,000 doses of the
vaccine produced at an AstraZeneca facility in Italy.
Italy is the first EU country to use the bloc's new
regulations allowing exports to be stopped
if the company providing the vaccines has
failed to meet its obligations to the EU.
The move has been backed by the
European Commission, reports say.

AstraZeneca is on track to provide only 40%
of the agreed supply to member states
in the first three months of the year.
It has cited production problems for the shortfall.
In January, then Italian Prime Minister
Giuseppe Conte described delays in vaccine supplies
by both AstraZeneca and Pfizer as "unacceptable" and
accused the companies of violating their contracts.

The EU has been widely criticised for the slow pace
of its vaccination programme.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56279202

[Vanessa]

[Covid: Italy 'blocks' AstraZeneca vaccine
shipment to Australia
The Italian government has blocked the export of
an Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine shipment to Australia.
The decision affects 250,000 doses of the
vaccine produced at an AstraZeneca facility in Italy.
Italy is the first EU country to use the bloc's new
regulations allowing exports to be stopped
if the company providing the vaccines has
failed to meet its obligations to the EU.
The move has been backed by the
European Commission, reports say.

AstraZeneca is on track to provide only 40%
of the agreed supply to member states
in the first three months of the year.
It has cited production problems for the shortfall.
In January, then Italian Prime Minister
Giuseppe Conte described delays in vaccine supplies
by both AstraZeneca and Pfizer as "unacceptable" and
accused the companies of violating their contracts.

The EU has been widely criticised for the slow pace
of its vaccination programme.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56279202

Yes, Italy needs the vaccine.
They're running behind.

[arista]

Yes, Italy needs the vaccine.
They're running behind.


Yes


According to the Ch4HDnews
Germany has Millions (astra) not used
that's why Security stopped any filming.
as loads say its not worth having
due to it will not stop the Variants.


Although the Leader said use it
she did not do a Public Vaccine?

[arista]

[Covid-19: Another new variant
added to UK watch list
Scientists have identified 16 cases
of another new variant of coronavirus in the UK.
Public Health England has designated it
as a 'variant under investigation' (VUI),
meaning it is on their watch list,
but not one they are immediately
concerned about.

It has a mutation in common with the
South Africa and Brazil variants.
That change, E484K, may help the
virus evade some immunity from
vaccination or prior infection,
experts believe.

The cases were first identified on
15 February by the UK's variant surveillance system.
Experts suspect it originated in the UK.

All 16 individuals who tested positive,
and their contacts, have been traced
and advised to isolate.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56284155

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/Mg1Y_x8XwXxl9-tdE3jdWQ/https/media.fyre.co/qthwaaFjRcS69PNr9yee_express.jpg

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/4I_MD6eBPU_JIHIk6Nt_NA/https/media.fyre.co/QkQWcOwxTNSM2jHKV7uc_mail.jpg

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/cf2f6m22GVSAIzdXR3lGOw/https/media.fyre.co/jnruf78dR0aTT20plJyA_tele.jpg

[arista]

[COVID-19: Cyprus to allow vaccinated Britons
to holiday in the country
without restrictions from 1 May
Those hoping for a holiday in the
sun will need to have had both doses
of a vaccine but will not have to provide a negative test.]

https://news.sky.com/story/cyprus-to-allow-vaccinated-britons-into-the-country-without-restrictions-from-1-may-12236183

New Link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56289054

[Zizu]

[Covid-19: Another new variant
added to UK watch list
Scientists have identified 16 cases
of another new variant of coronavirus in the UK.
Public Health England has designated it
as a 'variant under investigation' (VUI),
meaning it is on their watch list,
but not one they are immediately
concerned about.

It has a mutation in common with the
South Africa and Brazil variants.
That change, E484K, may help the
virus evade some immunity from
vaccination or prior infection,
experts believe.

The cases were first identified on
15 February by the UK's variant surveillance system.
Experts suspect it originated in the UK.

All 16 individuals who tested positive,
and their contacts, have been traced
and advised to isolate.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56284155



‘Advised’ ... I wish we were more assertive


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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/130A4/production/_117388977_thei-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/39C4/production/_117388741_times-nc.png

[Vanessa]

[COVID-19: Cyprus to allow vaccinated Britons
to holiday in the country
without restrictions from 1 May
Those hoping for a holiday in the
sun will need to have had both doses
of a vaccine but will not have to provide a negative test.]

https://news.sky.com/story/cyprus-to-allow-vaccinated-britons-into-the-country-without-restrictions-from-1-may-12236183
Brilliant! I might go to Cyprus for my birthday.
I've never been there. ::dance:

[Nicky91]

[COVID-19: Cyprus to allow vaccinated Britons
to holiday in the country
without restrictions from 1 May
Those hoping for a holiday in the
sun will need to have had both doses
of a vaccine but will not have to provide a negative test.]

https://news.sky.com/story/cyprus-to-allow-vaccinated-britons-into-the-country-without-restrictions-from-1-may-12236183

:facepalm: vaccinated people still can spread the virus though

[arista]

:facepalm: vaccinated people still can spread the virus though


Yes but a Cyprus Hotel Chief
(just on Radio 4)
said all will need a Covid test before travelling.
And they only need to know you have had 2 Vaccinations.
Show your Card.

They do not need a UK Government System

This is very clever of Cyprus
getting well ahead
of Spain.

[Cherie]

Yes but a Cyprus Hotel Chief
(just on Radio 4)
said all will need a Covid test before travelling.
And they only need to know you have had 2 Vaccinations.
Show your Card.

They do not need a UK Government System

This is very clever of Cyprus
getting well ahead
of Spain.

The article you posted said a negative test was not required

So test yes or no? I think tests will still be necessary

[Nicky91]

Yes but a Cyprus Hotel Chief
(just on Radio 4)
said all will need a Covid test before travelling.
And they only need to know you have had 2 Vaccinations.
Show your Card.

They do not need a UK Government System

This is very clever of Cyprus
getting well ahead
of Spain.

good idea from them then

[arista]

The article you posted said a negative test was not required

So test yes or no? I think tests will still be necessary


Yes that's due to a Live AM Phone call on Radio 4, today
with a Hotel Chief.


Every EU or other nation
is going to demand Covid tests before flights

It will be normal.


[Mr Calder said it was possible Cyprus would reflect its
travel rules from last summer when visitors were able to get a test
three days before their flight and noted that under-12s are excluded
from the current travel restrictions.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56289054


Another link today

[arista]

Ch5HD AM Live reports
China is using Anal Swabs.

No plans for UK to follow.

[bots]

Ch5HD AM Live reports
China is using Anal Swabs.

No plans for UK to follow.

that would be very un-British :joker:

Bend over for your covid test .... yeah right :laugh:

[arista]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/27/china-starts-using-anal-swabs-test-covid-high-infection-areas

This link is a month old.


[The anal swabs method “can increase the detection rate of infected people”
as traces of the virus linger longer in the anus than in the respiratory tract,
Li Tongzeng, a senior doctor from Beijing’s Youan hospital, told CCTV.]

[China has begun using anal swabs to test
those it considers to be at high risk
of contracting Covid-19, state TV has reported.

Officials took anal swabs from residents of
neighbourhoods with confirmed Covid-19 cases
in Beijing last week, according to the state
broadcaster CCTV, while those in designated
quarantine facilities have also had the tests.

Small, localised outbreaks in recent weeks
have resulted in multiple cities in northern China
being sealed off from the rest of the country
and prompted mass testing campaigns,
which had mostly been conducted
using throat and nose swabs.]

[Cal.]

Registration portal down nationwide atm so god knows what chaos this will bring

[Vicky.]

I wonder why on earth they are even cosidering anal tests?! Doesnt seem likly that anyone would chose those over a cheek swab.

Unless they are just trying to get more accuracy from the tests. Which seem to have a ridiculous rate of false results.

[arista]

I wonder why on earth they are even considering anal tests?! Doesnt seem likely that anyone would choose those over a cheek swab.

Unless they are just trying to get more accuracy from the tests. Which seem to have a ridiculous rate of false results.

[The anal swabs method “can increase the detection rate of infected people”
as traces of the virus linger longer in the anus than in the respiratory tract,
Li Tongzeng, a senior doctor from Beijing’s Youan hospital, told CCTV.]


China is tracking all cases faster
by any means.

[bots]

Registration portal down nationwide atm so god knows what chaos this will bring

time for Chinas special swabs? :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Sorry yeah, got it. Misread that arista as..the anal ones are less effective :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.727 new cases

185 new hospitalisations 18 more than yesterday (1.911 in total)

39 new ICU patients 8 more than yesterday (541 in total)

32 new deaths

[Cherie]

Zizu they found the person carrying the Brazillian variant

[Zizu]

Zizu they found the person carrying the Brazillian variant



Excellent and THANK YOU !

So any more info on that person or 16 people with the brand new variant ??






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[Zizu]

On other slightly less important news ...

I’m being allowed to work from home next week so that effectively means that when I start back in the high school on the following Monday I will have 20 days of vaccine protection streaming through my veins when I’m sharing the building with 1,500 potential carriers :)


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[Zizu]

that would be very un-British :joker:



Bend over for your covid test .... yeah right :laugh:



Yeah that would certainly be one job I won’t be volunteering for ..


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[bots]

that's great zizu, being stressed out is not good at this stage

[bots]

Zizu they found the person carrying the Brazillian variant

did he have it in a bag with COVID written on it, like the robbers in the cartoons? :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Germany: state ministers agree on that all children should be able to return to school this month

https://www.thelocal.de/20210305/all-children-in-germany-should-return-to-school-in-march-state-ministers-agree/

[Cherie]

did he have it in a bag with COVID written on it, like the robbers in the cartoons? :laugh:

:joker:

[Cherie]

On other slightly less important news ...

I’m being allowed to work from home next week so that effectively means that when I that when I start back in the high school on the following Monday I will have 20 days of vaccine protection streaming through my veins when I’m sharing the building with 1,500 potential carriers :)


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Super duper

[arista]

Health Secretary is Live

[arista]

[17:23: The BBC's Vicky Young asks about
the government's recommendation of a 1% rise for NHS staff

"Mr Hancock says he "pays tribute" to NHS workers
during the COVID pandemic.
He adds these have been "challenging times"
and that one of those challenges has been
the financial consequences of the pandemic.
The health secretary notes how there is a pay
freeze for other public sector workers,
with a 1% rise for NHS staff
considered to be what is "affordable".]

[arista]

The Missing Person
with the Brazil Variant
has been found.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mystery-sixth-person-in-uk-with-brazilian-covid-19-variant-of-concern-is-found-12236917

[arista]

17:27

[Question four: ITV's Libby Wiener asks - there are still 12,000
people being treated for COVID in hospital,
how hard did you fight for a
more generous pay offer for NHS staff?
And to Dr Hopkins how effective do you
believe the AstraZeneca vaccine to be
against the Brazillian variant?

Mr Hancock says we do have "issues of affordability"
because of the pandemic's impact which
"have to be taken into account".

Ms Hopkins says there still isn't enough
clinical data to say, but based on data
from how it works against the
South African variant they do hope it will
have some impact on
reducing hospitalisations and deaths.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-uk-latest-as-another-new-coronavirus-variant-investigated-12236311

[arista]

[5 March 2021
Owing to a delay in the submission of cases data
for England to PHE, today's update is delayed.]

[UserSince2005]

Doctor and nurses think they deserve a pay rise at all when 120k people have died on their watch. Biggest joke ever.

[hijaxers]

Doctor and nurses think they deserve a pay rise at all when 120k people have died on their watch. Biggest joke ever.

I really don't know how you can say that ! you think its their fault do you ?

[Vanessa]

I wonder why on earth they are even cosidering anal tests?! Doesnt seem likly that anyone would chose those over a cheek swab.

Unless they are just trying to get more accuracy from the tests. Which seem to have a ridiculous rate of false results.

Not for me thanks :laugh:

[UserSince2005]

I really don't know how you can say that ! you think its their fault do you ?

We do have an extremely high death rate compared to infection rate so something has clearly gone wrong.

It will come out in time.

[Vanessa]

They found cases of South African variant in North Wembley.
Not where I live, thank god!
I'm in the Alperton area.