Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Cherie]

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[[More than 100 top scientists and doctors
have accused Boris Johnson of conducting
a 'dangerous and unethical experiment' by
pressing on with July 19's unlocking.
Among the 122 signatories are,
from top left, Lancet editor Dr Richard Horton,
SAGE member Susan Michie,
Dr Chaand Nagpaul, chairman
of the British Medical Association (BMA) Council.
Former chief scientific adviser Sir David King,
SAGE adviser Stephen Reicher and
Oxford University's Professor Trisha Greenhalgh]


[Unlocking on July 19 is a 'dangerous
and unethical experiment', warn 122 scientists
and doctors including high profile
SAGE members — as NHS already starts cancelling
operations to cope with Covid surge]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9766759/Experts-sign-letter-condemning-Government-s-dangerous-unethical-experiment.html

There’s Susan the communist she pops up everywhere :laugh:

[arista]

worth noting that these are smaller hospitals with small capacity further north (up around inverness) and also i believe aberdeen royal infirmary, which is a larger hospital but serves a large area. It’s not the larger city hospitals, and it’s not in major population hubs (lothian, greater glasgow, ayrshire) … yet.

So a bit misleading, poster, your post makes it seem like all/ a lot of hospitals are at capacity, when in reality it’s a handful of smaller hospitals.


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[DouglasS]

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The guy shouldn’t be on tv, he’s happy to vilify others and say people shouldn’t be attending events in masses/ large events and it’s so selfish and rude yet he’s more than happy to do so himself

Personally I think we should all open up because otherwise it won’t open up until next summer, yes we will probs go into restrictions again in 2 months but at least we have some normality beforehand. If the vaccine isn’t the way out then there is zero way out….

[Vanessa]

There's no way I'm going to Italy as long as the delta variant is getting worse.
Maybe next year, when things have settled down.

[bots]

we just need to keep a very close watch on hospitalisations. The same principles remain. If the admissions get up to too high a level then we need restrictions again to keep those numbers under control. If hospitals cant cope, there is no alternative

[Zizu]

Any thoughts/suggestions on us visiting relatives in the US in a months time for two weeks or so ??

We both work in schools so would presumably after allow for ten days quarantine on our return..


Or would it be better for them to visit us instead ?

I worry that there maybe local restrictions suddenly imposed due to the rocketing infections and if they did come here we’d be stuck in our little town for the duration.

All parties involved are double vaccinated already .


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[Cherie]

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The guy shouldn’t be on tv, he’s happy to vilify others and say people shouldn’t be attending events in masses/ large events and it’s so selfish and rude yet he’s more than happy to do so himself

Personally I think we should all open up because otherwise it won’t open up until next summer, yes we will probs go into restrictions again in 2 months but at least we have some normality beforehand. If the vaccine isn’t the way out then there is zero way out….

This is really beginning to hack me off...Middle class attend Wimble...no problem...working class attend Wembley...both outside events....where is the difference...if he is that bothered he should be sat at home ...

[Cherie]

Any thoughts/suggestions on us visiting relatives in the US in a months time for two weeks or so ??

We both work in schools so would presumably after allow for ten days quarantine on our return..


Or would it be better for them to visit us instead ?

I worry that there maybe local restrictions suddenly imposed due to the rocketing infections and if they did come here we’d be stuck in our little town for the duration.

All parties involved are double vaccinated already .


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Live your life..is my advice

[Zizu]

Live your life..is my advice


Thank you


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[bots]

Live your life..is my advice

would be my advice too, there will always be some new thing that people will worry about from here on out. Go for it

[MTVN]

This is really beginning to hack me off...Middle class attend Wimble...no problem...working class attend Wembley...both outside events....where is the difference...if he is that bothered he should be sat at home ...

:clap1:

[user104658]

This is really beginning to hack me off...Middle class attend Wimble...no problem...working class attend Wembley...both outside events....where is the difference...if he is that bothered he should be sat at home ...


Yeah but the Wimbledon audience don’t dribble and spunk all over each other and spit in each other’s mouths and what not, like you would get at an England match.

[Cherie]

Yeah but the Wimbledon audience don’t dribble and spunk all over each other and spit in each other’s mouths and what not, like you would get at an England match.

No mention of the 17,000 Scots who travelled to London without a ticket :skull:

People tend to hug their friends or family not random strangers


You keep toeing the line though, I’m done :hee:

[DouglasS]

This is really beginning to hack me off...Middle class attend Wimble...no problem...working class attend Wembley...both outside events....where is the difference...if he is that bothered he should be sat at home ...

Yes it’s all so silly. I bet he’d fume if a festival was happening in a few weeks

[Cherie]

What really finished me off is my friends father in law in his 80s went into hospital last week...non covid related issue...he was in for a few days and started to ask to see his wife, they were very close, did everything together, the staff said no, so his wife and his son battled for 3 days for her alone to be allowed a visit and finally they gave in, he passed away soon after...imagine if she didn’t have her son to go into bat for her...she is double vaccinated and had taken a test but still no ...this is all wrong and needs to stop now

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands new coronameasures, in a press conference tonight


nightclubs must close again, no night life for youths, another curfew

[arista]

Netherlands new coronameasures, in a press conference tonight


nightclubs must close again, no night life for youths, another curfew



Makes sense
Covid-19 Loves Nightclubs

[arista]

On LBC
the Left Winger is finding
Company Bosses turning off the NHS/Track, trace Ping.
And workers also turning off the App.

He points out a Conservative MP
has said "do not ask"

[Zizu]

would be my advice too, there will always be some new thing that people will worry about from here on out. Go for it


That said ... infections doubling every two weeks ... restrictions soon to be lifted... suggestions of 100,000+ per day .

There’s surely no way they will be allowing us Brits into their country with those numbers ???

I’m thinking the amber could soon switch to red at very short notice


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[bots]

That said ... infections doubling every two weeks ... restrictions soon to be lifted... suggestions of 100,000+ per day .

There’s surely no way they will be allowing us Brits into their country with those numbers ???

I’m thinking the amber could soon switch to red at very short notice


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you have a vaccine certificate and you will be required to take a test before travel. It's a different world now compared to pre vaccination times

[Nicky91]

no reason for panic, just because cases go up :shrug:


i mean hospitalisations and ICU's in my nation remain quite low, compared to an actual ''wave'' like back in third wave for example




i also still follow Germany's news shows what they are doing now regarding covid, and most are like no reason for panic, says also virologist Karl Lauterbach, he just wants extra thorough testing among youths who are going on holiday, but no reason to bring people back from Mallorca, those who are ill are advised to stay in their hotel rooms and not spread the virus further into the specific country of destination

[Cherie]

no reason for panic, just because cases go up :shrug:


i mean hospitalisations and ICU's in my nation remain quite low, compared to an actual ''wave'' like back in third wave for example




i also still follow Germany's news shows what they are doing now regarding covid, and most are like no reason for panic, says also virologist Karl Lauterbach, he just wants extra thorough testing among youths who are going on holiday, but no reason to bring people back from Mallorca, those who are ill are advised to stay in their hotel rooms and not spread the virus further into the specific country of destination


Could he tell Dr Hilary that, he likes to go out while telling others to stay in

[arista]

Friday 9/7/21

29 have died
35,707 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417

128,365 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[Zizu]

you have a vaccine certificate and you will be required to take a test before travel. It's a different world now compared to pre vaccination times


True ... I just can’t imagine them classing is a
Green or Amber country if we do hit the 100,000 daily infections rate as expected..

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[arista]

Keir Starmer
claims any changes, to Track and Trace
is like taking the battery out of smoke detectors


Ref:ITV1HD lunch news

[bots]

if/when we get to 100k infections a day, if the person conservatively interacted with 5 people, thats 500k people that have to isolate per day. It wouldnt take long before it was the whole working population that was isolating. Track and trace just doesnt work when large numbers are infected, we know that from previous experience

[arista]

Shocking report
on Ch4HDnews.

Africa has it Covid-19 & Delta Variant Doubling every 18 days
Uganda is running out of Oxygen
Only the Very Rich can hire a Private Ambulance.

One Patient was in an ambulance for 9 to 10 hours
awaiting an ICU bed.


Before they Locked down fast
now they are overwhelmed with a Faster Delta Variant.
Doctors are not get paid
so have to earn money on the side.


At the end of that report
the Rich family trying to save their relative
sadly died.

[arista]

TS

Newsnight from Scotland BBC2HD
last night
the highest rates of Covid-19.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: no more night life for time being, all pubs and bars to close again, all nightclubs to close again

all dance festivals cancelled again


and No to travel to other countries, especially Spain, Portugal, UK, Russia

[Nicky91]

i think this is a good decision from my nation's government, considering new cases go up to 7.000 again

mainly among youths of age group 18-24 but still, when we say we need to protect everyone, we need to protect everyone of all age groups


and we opened up too soon, we first need to fully vaccinate a whole majority of younger age groups


i am not taking the vaccine but i myself don't actively party so this doesn't apply to me, those younger people who socialize on daily basis and frequent nightclub visitors they need to vaccinate fully to stop the spread of covid, and good thing our virologist Marion Koopmans says it now too about the ''long covid'' effects among younger age groups, well informed woman this miss Koopmans, she also follows the situation in UK currently and is aware of UK scientists also trying to make their PM Johnson change his mind on July 19th deadline that that is also too soon when looking at the current numbers

[arista]

USA New York doing the same as Johnson

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

205 total hospitalisations (12 new)

86 total ICU/ventilator patients (1 new)

10.345 new cases (highest infection numbers of 2021 so far)



good to see despite the high amount of cases, solely youth now basically still dangerous as there are still some elderly whom aren't fully jabbed or aren't jabbed at all due to medical risks etc so we need those measures now glad for that press conference last night

[arista]

Saturday 10/7/21

34 have Died
32,367 have caught Covid -19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417


128,399 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Shocking report
on Ch4HDnews.

Africa has it Covid-19 & Delta Variant Doubling every 18 days
Uganda is running out of Oxygen
Only the Very Rich can hire a Private Ambulance.

One Patient was in an ambulance for 9 to 10 hours
awaiting an ICU bed.


Before they Locked down fast
now they are overwhelmed with a Faster Delta Variant.
Doctors are not get paid
so have to earn money on the side.


At the end of that report
the Rich family trying to save their relative
sadly died.

There was a news report from Uganda about six weeks ago on Sky with Doctors in despair as they had plenty vaccine but very few takers and they would have to dispose of it if didnt get used and it would be difficult to get further supplies due to the low uptake

[Zizu]

Saturday 3/7/21

18 have Died
24,885 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


128,207 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Sizeable increase from last week


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[Cherie]

Saturday 3/7/21

18 have Died
24,885 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


128,207 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Saturday 10/7/21

34 have Died
32,367 have caught Covid -19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417


128,399 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[arista]

Sizeable increase from last week





Yes to be expected
all the Football fans
Super Spreaders

[Zizu]

Saturday 10/7/21

34 have Died
32,367 have caught Covid -19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417


128,399 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Its ok people saying “high infections but low deaths is acceptable “ - but look at those numbers of people needing ventilation .. those people are seriously poorly !!




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[arista]

Its ok people saying high infections but low deaths is acceptable but look at those numbers of people needing ventilation ..
That’s never to be taken lightly





Yes Lower Deaths, at this time
lets see next month


[Covid to get worse before it gets better, doctors warn]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57786002

[Cherie]

Yes Lower Deaths, at this time
lets see next month


[Covid to get worse before it gets better, doctors warn]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57786002

Anthony Harnden, who is deputy chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation which advises the government on the vaccine rollout, said that although it was "worrying" that infections were rising again, "at some point we have got to get back to normality".
He told the Today programme: "We're in the middle of summer and, providing people carry on behaving responsibly - which I think they will do - then we're in a much better position" than in previous waves.
He said the vaccination programme had gone "incredibly well" but there was still "a long way to go", adding that increasing vaccination rates was key.
Prof Harnden said around 55% of 18 to 29-year-olds had received their first dose of a Covid vaccine nationally but it was the early stages and he was confident of better uptake among young people.
Dr Mike Tildesley, an epidemiologist and member of the SPI-M modelling group, told Times Radio that high levels of cases could "challenge the virus" to mutate into variants which the current vaccines are less effective against.
He added that there was "a risk" with the planned 19 July reopening but that should decrease "as we go through August and we get more people vaccinated".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish numbers on the way down

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[bots]

i think opening up is something that we need to try after all the vaccination thats been going on. The argument about increased chance of variants with greater infection rates is just irrelevant when the virus is raging world wide and creating new variants constantly

[MTVN]

Scottish numbers on the way down

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Coinciding with being knocked out the Euros :hehe:

And schools breaking up I expect

Must be a temptation in government to delay 'freedom day' a couple weeks just to give a bit of time for infections to stabilise once the Euros are over and schools are done for summer

[DouglasS]

Its ok people saying “high infections but low deaths is acceptable “ - but look at those numbers of people needing ventilation .. those people are seriously poorly !!




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True but it is still such a small % of cases (considering the cases atm are just confirmed cases, the real cases of people not testing at all). It’s like 0.01%, not worth stopping life over. More than 0.1% of people who have flu will end in hospital also

[LaLaLand]

Masks will still be mandatory when we enter ALERT LEVEL ZERO here in Wales.

I don't know what to think. It's wise obviously but I'm just so fed up with them. Ugh.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vanessa]

I really think they should delay the reopening to August.
We're in the middle of a third wave.

[arista]

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[bots]

the way i'm handling it is to get the work done around the house that's long overdue, done by outside contractors etc now while restrictions are still in place. After that i will watch and see what happens. Even though restrictions are ending, I can largely just carry on as i have been

[arista]

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[arista]

Sunday 11/7/21

26 have Died
31,772 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417

128,525 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a queue for a pub. I think it’s safe to say lockdown is over. <a href="https://t.co/SDgiKiAsFf">pic.twitter.com/SDgiKiAsFf</a></p>&mdash; Darren Grimes (@darrengrimes_) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1414209240596635654?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arista]

That's too many waiting.

[arista]

5PM Johnson Live
gives more info on next Monday 19th July
changes.


BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC
Times Radio DAB

[Vanessa]

Sunday 11/7/21

26 have Died
31,772 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417

128,525 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Deaths are staying low. Good

[user104658]

I’d cautiously say that looking at the last 5 days or so, new cases seem to have plateau’d a little? That doesn’t mean they’ll come down, or won’t go up further, but they’ve been “flat” at around 32k for a while.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: PM Mark Rutte has apologized to ICU chief Diederik Gommers that he was indeed wrong to reopen things sooner than it should've been

he also apologized for friday's horrible press conference how he had turn back several of relaxing of measure decisions, and how we still need many measures at least until we've jabbed majority of the youth


now there is a lockdown until August 13th at least

[arista]

Netherlands: PM Mark Rutte has apologized to ICU chief Diederik Gommers that he was indeed wrong to reopen things sooner than it should've been

he also apologized for friday's horrible press conference how he had turn back several of relaxing of measure decisions, and how we still need many measures at least until we've jabbed majority of the youth


now there is a lockdown until August 13th at least


Yes good he apologized

Netherlands Lockdown is what we "could" need
in the UK, soon

[Nicky91]

Yes good he apologized

Netherlands Lockdown is what we "could" need
in the UK, soon

yes relaxing measures next week might not be a good idea at all, when ur at a third wave, even more dangerous with the more contagious delta variant

[arista]

yes relaxing measures next week might not be a good idea at all, when ur at a third wave, even more dangerous with the more contagious delta variant




I hope a Press
person asks the Prime Minister Live today ,
about the Delta Wave
but I fear it could all be about Football.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.522 new cases (847 less than yesterday)

213 total hospitalisations

84 total on ICU/ventilator

12 new patients on the nursing wards, increase of 3 compared to yesterday

3 new ICU/ventilator patients, decrease of 1 compared to yesterday

[arista]

Health Secretary is Live in Parliament
in the next 15mins or so.

[michael21]

Health Secretary is Live in Parliament
in the next 15mins or so.

House on 3 min break your times are wrong :laugh:

[michael21]

Live now

[michael21]

He talking about football

[arista]

Live on Both News
The Health Secretary in Parliament.

[michael21]

Sajid javid

Is say about the 4 test

[michael21]

Live on Both News
The Health Secretary in Parliament.

What about gb news

[michael21]

Yes jabs are going in arms

[michael21]

4% change of going to hospital after 2 jabs

[michael21]

The infection rate has double in a week bad news

[michael21]

He saying about a wall

[michael21]

He want ever one to go back to work but not all at once

[michael21]

He want people to still wear facemasks

[michael21]

Now labour respond

[michael21]

Statrs of about football

[michael21]

Labour want to carry on with the mask wearing there are most wise

[michael21]

Jonathan ashworth is speaking

[michael21]

Heath sec is now responding to Labour

[michael21]

Heath sec says jabs are our wall of defence

[michael21]

Heath sec say more young need to come forward for there jab

[michael21]

Heath sec say there are looking at jabs for kids but nothing decided yet

[michael21]

Heath sec says covid-19 test we remain free

[michael21]

Heath sec will do a review in September

[michael21]

Jeremy hunt is now talking

[michael21]

Jh says will there be a further lockdown

[michael21]

Heath sec says

Action will be taking if needed

[michael21]

Dr philippa Whitford is speaking via zoom

[michael21]

She has book behind her for show

[michael21]

She wants mask to stay

[arista]

Monday 12/7/21

6 have Died
34,471 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417



128,431 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[michael21]

Monday 12/7/21

6 have Died
34,471 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417



128,431 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Weekends date is always behind

[arista]

[COVID-19: Most restrictions to end in England
next week - but face masks and 'passports' encouraged,
government confirms]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-all-restriction-to-end-in-england-next-week-government-confirms-12354394

[michael21]

Pm is live at 5pm

No copy and paste for borris he will be live

[arista]

Live 9 Downing Street Media Room.

[Zizu]

I’d cautiously say that looking at the last 5 days or so, new cases seem to have plateau’d a little? That doesn’t mean they’ll come down, or won’t go up further, but they’ve been “flat” at around 32k for a while.


Tuesdays are a better reflection than Sat /Sun /Monday of course


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[arista]

[17:25
There would be a very, very big rise in infections
if behaviour goes back to pre-pandemic levels - Vallance

Asked by the BBC's Hugh Pym what risks are involved
with opening up next Monday,
Sir Patrick Vallance says there is "no doubt" going
to be a rise in infections.
"If behaviour returns immediately to pre-pandemic levels,
that would be a very very big rise," he says.]

[bots]

it's quite a different emphasis now on freedom day, just hope the majority of the public remain sensible

[arista]

Reporter
from the Daily Mirror
asked if the PM would now take a Knee.
Among the many Questions


The PM Ignored that comment
he has already said he will not.


It has now Concluded.

[Cherie]

not all those reported as being in hospital with covid actually went in with covid they were admitted for other issues but tested positive while there, so really again the numbers are skewed

[arista]

it's quite a different emphasis now on freedom day, just hope the majority of the public remain sensible


Yes and masks on Public Transport.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
reports
Vietnam has 2,367 new cases

and Indonesia has 40,027 new cases
67,355 Total Deaths
Only 5% of locals have been vaccinated.
Their Health system is struggling
the Delta Variation has expanded.
The worse in Asia.
Outside the hospital they have Tents in car park.
7 Hospital staff have Died
They are using the China Vaccine
which has failed to stop the Delta.
Oxygen is running out.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: the R number is now well above 2, at 2,17

this means, 100 infected people can infect up to 217 people



RIVM puts the relaxing of measures end of June to blame for the increase in cases


more than 40% of recent cases are traced down from Pubs, Bars, Restaurants, 25% from nightclubs, dance festivals

other percentages are from returning holidaygoers



parliament have reopened for meetings in a temporary location as their new location is still being built

all leading virologists have delayed their holiday plans to appear on talk shows again here, such as Ab Osterhaus, Marjon Koopmans, Diederik Gommers, Ernst Kuipers

[Ammi]

…just completely sidetracking, sorry…but looking at Arista’s front pages newsmail…Tilda Swinton and Timothee Chalamet getting a standing ovation at Cannes for The French Dispatch….:lovedup:…our Remy did that…

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

204 total hospitalisations, decrease of 9 compared to yesterday

75 total ICU/Ventilator patients, decrease of 9 compared to yesterday

[bots]

Scotland is moving to threat level zero on the 19th but keeping face masks mandatory

[Nicky91]

Germany got the new air circulation devices for the classrooms, when schools reopen again after holidays

[michael21]

Germany got the new air circulation devices for the classrooms, when schools reopen again after holidays

Good news the kids need air that safe or as safe as it can be

[bots]

With almost 1.5 million pupils off school in the latest snapshot of attendance in England, one headteacher says he fears absence will get even worse as the summer holidays approach.

Patrick Ottley-O'Connor, executive head teacher of Westhoughton High school in Bolton, said: "Anecdotally, from the students, we know some parents are just concerned they are going to lose a holiday because of having to isolate.

"We're hearing conversations that those holidays are booked - conversations that we need a holiday and we're not going to stop going on holiday.

"Some students have even said that their parents have turned off the their track and trace."

He says he previously saw an unexplained dip in attendance before Easter and the spring half-term holiday.

Families have also told the BBC they are intentionally keeping children out of school so they can avoid a spell of self-isolation that would prevent them going away.

[arista]

Tuesday 13/7/21

50 have Died
36,660 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417


128,481 Total UK Deaths

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

in scotland there are something like 3 or 4 deaths a week and that just doesnt justify keeping the country closed down. The infection rate will go up again, it's inevitable

[user104658]

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Hate to say it but the most likely difference for this is schools. It’s the only major difference between Scotland and rest of UK in recent months. Schools closed earlier for summer.

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Mayor of London is Live On SkyNewsHD
he will also go on other channels.


He may say put a mask on in the Tube
but loads will not, and no one from Monday
can stop that

[arista]

London Mayor Khan Speaking on GMB itv
claims he will make Masks
a Condition of Carriage.
From Monday 9th Of July.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

London Mayor Khan Speaking on GMB itv
claims he will make Masks
a Condition of Carriage.
From Monday 9th Of July.


Like everything. The law abiders will wear masks but the selfish ones won’t bother


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[arista]

Like everything. The law abiders will wear masks but the selfish ones won’t bother





I think more will not have a Mask on
from next Monday.

[bots]

as masks will not be a legal requirement from monday, any situation where people wear masks in a busy setting should be considered a plus rather than those not wearing them a negative

If you have been double vaccinated like most of the population, your chances of catching the virus are greatly reduced. It's not the same situation as it was last year

[Nicky91]

as masks will not be a legal requirement from monday, any situation where people wear masks in a busy setting should be considered a plus rather than those not wearing them a negative

If you have been double vaccinated like most of the population, your chances of catching the virus are greatly reduced. It's not the same situation as it was last year

double vaccinated people, well you can still catch the virus, but the chances of you ending up sick, hospitalized or ICU/ventilator have reduced greatly

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: majority of people want to keep working from home

they really prefer online skype meetings, 94% since the coronacrisis last year, compared to 52% before the coronacrisis

says minister Cora van Nieuwenhuizen, the evidence she got is at the decreased amount of traffic on the motorways


possibly being discussed for more working from home advice in the Live CoronaDebate from the Ridderzaal, 13:00 CET today

where also following points are discussed

- increase of daily new cases since the relaxing of measures of June 26th, more like parliament wanting more explanation from PM Rutte

- what to do about this to make cases go down, and how long this new lockdown must take for the cases to go down, and what measures are necessary for cases to go down again

[Denver]

I tested positive today after faling ill Monday night and having a test yesterday but weirdly I feel like 70% better today and I'm wondering if that's because I've had my first vaccine it'd making me recover quicker?

[bots]

I tested positive today after faling ill Monday night and having a test yesterday but weirdly I feel like 70% better today and I'm wondering if that's because I've had my first vaccine it'd making me recover quicker?

hope you get well quickly! Yeah, even 1 shot will help a bit

[Ammi]

I tested positive today after faling ill Monday night and having a test yesterday but weirdly I feel like 70% better today and I'm wondering if that's because I've had my first vaccine it'd making me recover quicker?

…be well soon do you take care….:hug:..

[Ammi]

…I’m confused about the mask situation, I thought that we wore masks in crowded/enclosed spaces to protect others…so even if we had complete vaccinations, we could still be carriers…

[bots]

…I’m confused about the mask situation, I thought that we wore masks in crowded/enclosed spaces to protect others…so even if we had complete vaccinations, we could still be carriers…

they have better figures on it now. If you are double vaccinated and the people around you are double vaccinated but have become infected, the risk of not getting infection is about 75%. If you are with someone who is infected and not vaccinated, but you are then the risk is 50%. Risk of severe infection goes up to > 90% on double vaccination.

Those figures are excluding social distancing etc. They are refining them all the time, but thats why they talk about the wall of vaccination

[Ammi]

they have better figures on it now. If you are double vaccinated and the people around you are double vaccinated but have become infected, the risk of not getting infection is about 75%. If you are with someone who is infected and not vaccinated, but you are then the risk is 50%. Risk of severe infection goes up to > 90% on double vaccination.

Those figures are excluding social distancing etc. They are refining them all the time, but thats why they talk about the wall of vaccination

..thanks, bots…:love:…that makes a lot of sense now, I wasn’t sure because it’s always been said that the mask wearing protects others so our own vaccination situation wouldn’t be the thing….

[arista]

…I’m confused about the mask situation, I thought that we wore masks in crowded/enclosed spaces to protect others…so even if we had complete vaccinations, we could still be carriers…


On Public Transport
a mask needs to go on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

On Public Transport
a mask needs to go on.

didn't Boris and the 2 boffins say the other week that if you were in an empty train carriage no mask was needed?

[user104658]

didn't Boris and the 2 boffins say the other week that if you were in an empty train carriage no mask was needed?


I suspect they’re thinking on city commutes LT, not a wee jaunt in Fife. It’s more “Crotch to arse” than “empty carriages”.

[bots]

didn't Boris and the 2 boffins say the other week that if you were in an empty train carriage no mask was needed?

yes, but tfl have now made it a requirement of travel, but they are pretty much alone in it because no-one else is enforcing it

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: also recent new cases traced down from Festivals in Amsterdam and Venlo

118 positive tests out of Chin Chin Festival in Amsterdam, 93 positive tests out of Stereo Sunday Festival in Venlo


Ploegendienst Festival in Breda the count of positive tests for now at 423

and Verknipt Festival in Utrecht the count of positive tests so far at least 900

[Lewismacfarlane]

Im meant to be going to menorca in September

[Nicky91]

Netherlands:

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Ridderzaal the temporary location for coronadebates, because the Binnenhof the usual location since begin July closed for renovation for 5 and a half years

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

10.492 new cases, 2.600 more than yesterday

18 new hospitalisations, 212 total hospitalisations

3 new ICU/ventilator patients, 74 total ICU/ventilator patients

[arista]

Wales is changing
later in general

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-57822684


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-from-saturday-but-face-masks-still-needed-indoors-and-on-public-transport-12355580

[arista]

[COVID news live: 1,200 scientists urge PM
to delay 19 July reopening
- as Ed Sheeran 'in solation again']

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-netherlands-sees-cases-skyrocket-500-after-lifting-nearly-all-restrictions-as-1-000-scientists-urge-for-19-july-to-be-pushed-back-12354097

[arista]

There has been Covid outbreaks
on HMS Queen Elizabeth War Ship.


Out in the Ocean.
Stuck with Covid-19



ITV1HD Lunch news

[arista]

John Lewis is Cutting 1,000
workers jobs.

https://news.sky.com/story/john-lewis-and-waitrose-owner-to-cut-1-000-store-jobs-12355717


Lucky its not much more

[bots]

Two-thirds of adults in the UK are estimated to have received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine, latest figures show.

PM Boris Johnson hailed the milestone on Twitter, as it was confirmed a total of 35,155,767 second doses have now been delivered since the vaccination rollout began in December last year.

That is the equivalent of 66.7% of all people aged 18 and over.

Of the four nations of the UK, Wales has the highest proportion of adults fully vaccinated, with 73.8% estimated to have received both jabs (1,861,700 second doses).

England is next on 66.5% (29,429,018 second doses), followed by Scotland on 65.7% (2,914,904 second doses) and Northern Ireland on 65.4% (950,145 second doses).

The latest figures, which have been published by the UK's four health agencies, also show that an estimated 87.4% of UK adults have now received a first dose of a vaccine - though the rate of vaccinations has been slowing in recent weeks.

[Zizu]

So that leaves about 30 million NOT fully protected..

So ‘in theory’ if the daily infections rate figures do indeed hit 100,000 per day )as per government predictions )then we could hit that 100,000 figure every day for over 10 months


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[Zizu]

Im meant to be going to menorca in September


Has something changed ?
Our neighbours are going to Majorca in August


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[arista]

Wednesday 14/7/21

49 have Died
42,302 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,615

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
522

128,530 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Wednesday 7/7/21

33 have Died
32,358 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,446

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
393

128,301 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Wednesday 14/7/21

49 have Died
42,302 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,615

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
522

128,530 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Scarlett.]

Crazy to think they're planning on lifting restrictions with the numbers rising like they are

[joeysteele]

Crazy to think they're planning on lifting restrictions with the numbers rising like they are

Utter madness.

[smudgie]

Son and his wife went to Spain yesterday, they had been in Amsterdam.
Meeting her 3 kids and their dad last night when they flew in from America.
I think they are meant to be there for a month, they planned to spend time in France but that is a no-no.

[Zizu]

It’s ok people ... apparently... because deaths are low .

Only 49 people died today .. someone will be in soon to say that 50 people died by falling out of taxis so it’s all relative

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[bots]

they estimated a week ago that the daily infections would be > 50k per day by the 19th when restrictions were removed and that is going to be the ball park. Its not just england that are relaxing restrictions, all the 4 nations are, it's a gamble on vaccination protection.

We know that if hospital admissions go above 2k per day they will need to put the breaks on, so i give it about a month after we remove restrictions. However, many have been saying for many months now that it is the schools that drive infections upward, so if the numbers start to come down next week when the schools break up in england, it will pretty much prove the point and then it becomes a moral issue on vaccinating kids, and I wouldnt want to be the one making that decision

[Vanessa]

Not going abroad this year.
Hopefully next year it will be better and I'll be able to go.
I'm going in Kent, so many beautiful places in there. .

[Zizu]

they estimated a week ago that the daily infections would be &gt; 50k per day by the 19th when restrictions were removed and that is going to be the ball park. Its not just england that are relaxing restrictions, all the 4 nations are, it's a gamble on vaccination protection.

We know that if hospital admissions go above 2k per day they will need to put the breaks on, so i give it about a month after we remove restrictions. However, many have been saying for many months now that it is the schools that drive infections upward, so if the numbers start to come down next week when the schools break up in england, it will pretty much prove the point and then it becomes a moral issue on vaccinating kids, and I wouldnt want to be the one making that decision


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[bots]

yes, 100k at its peak was an estimate, but they also expected 50k a day by monday, which will probably be a bit light.

There may be pressure on some hospitals, but there have been no covid admissions in my area in more than a month, so there is plenty capacity

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s ok people ... apparently... because deaths are low .

Only 49 people died today .. someone will be in soon to say that 50 people died by falling out of taxis so it’s all relative

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Today 450 people died from Heart and circulatory diseases in the UK

being flippant about these people is really not helpful

450 families

[Zizu]

Today 450 people died from Heart and circulatory diseases in the UK

being flippant about these people is really not helpful

450 families


You appear to have missed my point completely.. apologies for that


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[user104658]

yes, 100k at its peak was an estimate, but they also expected 50k a day by monday, which will probably be a bit light.

There may be pressure on some hospitals, but there have been no covid admissions in my area in more than a month, so there is plenty capacity

32k last Wednesday and 42k this Wednesday looks bang on track for 50k Monday actually - if not slightly over - I think it'll be between 50k-55k most likely... if not higher. We'll see though.

[Zizu]

32k last Wednesday and 42k this Wednesday looks bang on track for 50k Monday actually - if not slightly over - I think it'll be between 50k-55k most likely... if not higher. We'll see though.


It will be interesting to see if that crazy Euro Final day will have any effect..

It appeared that everyone and his auntie completely overlooked the fact that there’s a pandemic raging


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[MTVN]

It will be interesting to see if that crazy Euro Final day will have any effect..

It appeared that everyone and his auntie completely overlooked the fact that there’s a pandemic raging


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Not sure 'raging' is the appropriate term

[user104658]

Not sure 'raging' is the appropriate term

"Simmering" would probably be fair.

[Zizu]

"Simmering" would probably be fair.


Simmering ?

Daily infections going up by 10,000 + every seven DAYS !!


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[user104658]

Simmering ?

Daily infections going up by 10,000 + every seven DAYS !!


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In comparison to 1200 deaths/day, yes.

[Zizu]

In comparison to 1200 deaths/day, yes.


It’s a perplexing dilemma for sure ..
Fewer deaths but so many more long Covid cases these days ..


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[arista]

Covid-19: Ibiza, Majorca and Menorca moved to amber travel list


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57839184


[Ibiza, Majorca, Menorca and Formentera are being moved
onto the government's amber travel list for England.

The Balearic Islands will join the list from 04:00 BST
on Monday, 15 days after they were moved
to the green watchlist.]

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[bots]

the media are going from one scare story to the next. Because deaths have been so low they are moving on to long covid and saying our kids are at risk from it. When the overwhelming majority of kids don't experience any covid symptoms at all, saying that they will all get long covid is simply an utter falsehood. I am just sick of the media

[Smithy]

Does anybody know what the craic is for getting into places once they reopen on Monday? I’m out Sunday night and my friend wants to go somewhere at midnight (the Monday morning) because places will be open, but she thinks you need to have a negative PCR test before you’re allowed entry but I haven’t actually seen that in any article?

[michael21]

Does anybody know what the craic is for getting into places once they reopen on Monday? I’m out Sunday night and my friend wants to go somewhere at midnight (the Monday morning) because places will be open, but she thinks you need to have a negative PCR test before you’re allowed entry but I haven’t actually seen that in any article?

It's up to individuals venues as what there do after midnight on Sunday new rules normally come in to effect at 00.01

But it good your friend thinking about taking a test before allowing entry :hehe:

[Zizu]

the media are going from one scare story to the next. Because deaths have been so low they are moving on to long covid and saying our kids are at risk from it. When the overwhelming majority of kids don't experience any covid symptoms at all, saying that they will all get long covid is simply an utter falsehood. I am just sick of the media


I’ve not heard anything as regards children and long Covid but it is supposed to be a real problem for thousands of adults


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[bots]

More than 500,000 alerts were sent to users of the NHS Covid-19 app in England in the week to 7 July, telling them they had been in close contact with someone who had tested positive for the virus. It means the number told to isolate by the app is up 46% on the previous week

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

230 total hospitalisations, 35 new hospitalisations (biggest increase in hospitalisations since last month)

158 total on nursing wards, increase of 20 compared to yesterday

72 total ICU/ventilator patients, decrease of 2 compared to yesterday

-----------------------------
and Netherlands now appears as Red on the european coronamap, the province Groningen even as DarkRed

DarkRed meaning if there are more than 500 infections per 100.000 people



Red means now other countries can ask for stricter rules against dutch holidaygoers

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

230 total hospitalisations, 35 new hospitalisations (biggest increase in hospitalisations since last month)

158 total on nursing wards, increase of 20 compared to yesterday

72 total ICU/ventilator patients, decrease of 2 compared to yesterday

-----------------------------
and Netherlands now appears as Red on the european coronamap, the province Groningen even as DarkRed

DarkRed meaning if there are more than 500 infections per 100.000 people



Red means now other countries can ask for stricter rules against dutch holidaygoers

11.064 new cases, highest number since Christmas Day last year, average amount of positive tests now is at 9.191, 4 times more than the week before

3 new deaths


also in care homes more recent covid infections, now 31 care homes where the last 2 weeks have been a recent covid infection, compared to 24 care homes the week before

[michael21]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

For England only
put your postcode in

No

[arista]

Waitrose Supermarket have stated
from Monday 19th they want all customers in England
to have a Mask on.


ITV1HD News

[arista]

Thursday 15/7/21

63 have Died
48,553 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,786

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
545

128,593 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[COVID-19: Highest number of cases for
exactly six months as UK records 48,553 new ones]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-48-553-coronavirus-cases-and-63-more-deaths-12356503

[user104658]

32k last Wednesday and 42k this Wednesday looks bang on track for 50k Monday actually - if not slightly over - I think it'll be between 50k-55k most likely... if not higher. We'll see though.



Thursday 15/7/21

48,553 have caught Covid-19




:umm2: not an occasion when I’m overly happy to say I’m right. I still will of course…

[Vanessa]

I expect numbers will keep rising until mid August, when they should come down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

on the Daily Telegraph site

Will you ditch your face mask at the earliest opportunity when it ceases to be a legal
requirement?

Yes, i never want to wear one again: 78%
No: i want to wear one even if not mandatory 22%

28,107 votes

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[arista]

on the Daily Telegraph site

Will you ditch your face mask at the earliest opportunity when it ceases to be a legal
requirement?

Yes, i never want to wear one again: 78%
No: i want to wear one even if not mandatory 22%

28,107 votes


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[arista]

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[arista]

From August 16th
the Government are making changes to Test and Trace
less isolating in England,
But that's a long way away.

Home Tests are taking longer than 48hours

Meanwhile, Big Companies
are losing workers who are pinged.


Unite Union
says some Industries will have to temporarily close down
and then Contracts could be lost.



NewsinghtHD BBC2 Report
last night.

[bots]

if we get up to 100k infections a day, with people going to large events, the numbers being pinged by the app will be crazy.

We will be right back to where we were at the start of the pandemic with essential people in all industries being forced to self isolate. Supermarket deliveries are going to go haywire again. I better stock up on toilet roll quickly

[user104658]

if we get up to 100k infections a day, with people going to large events, the numbers being pinged by the app will be crazy.

We will be right back to where we were at the start of the pandemic with essential people in all industries being forced to self isolate. Supermarket deliveries are going to go haywire again. I better stock up on toilet roll quickly


Such faith in people’s compliance bots - I personally think most will happily take the time off work/working from home, but will still make cheeky trips to Tesco ;)

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can see Scottish case rates in the graph below, definitely coming down
now, from a peak that was higher than the main winter pandemic in January.
The fall at the moment seems as quick as the rise at the start of May.


https://scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/217489413_4394834567234054_5374991734099395422_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=0v-rPAUf5BgAX-t-skZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fgla3-2.fna&oh=0706991cf57f4de09c3da0acaeed1416&oe=60F675F0

[bots]

yeah, there is a school of thought that will happen in england too. The schools break up here next week, so that will be a very interesting thing to watch

[bots]

Such faith in people’s compliance bots - I personally think most will happily take the time off work/working from home, but will still make cheeky trips to Tesco ;)

i know people that have been pinged, and they got calls every day to check they were complying. That really pissed them off, so they switched off their phones and said **** it, we are off out. People really don't like that sort of monitoring at all in a free society

[Vanessa]

I don't have the covid app.
Don't like that kind of close monitoring.
I'm just trying to be careful and wear my mask.

[bots]

The UK is "not out of the woods yet" and people should act with caution as Covid restrictions in England end on Monday, Prof Chris Whitty has said.

England's chief medical officer warned that Covid hospitalisations were doubling every three weeks and could hit "scary numbers" in future.

Prof Whitty said the pandemic still had a "long way to run in the UK".

Solicitor General Lucy Frazer said while cases will rise, there were "consequences for not opening up".

But she warned: "Of course, if we get into a situation where it is unacceptable and we do need to put back further restrictions, then that of course is something the government will look at."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57858864

[user104658]

Boris stated explicitly that we “wouldn’t be going back” once they’re fully lifted, even before a date was announced. I fully expect there to be another lockdown as we head into Winter and it will be massively unpopular… and even more so because he made that promise.

[bots]

Boris stated explicitly that we “wouldn’t be going back” once they’re fully lifted, even before a date was announced. I fully expect there to be another lockdown as we head into Winter and it will be massively unpopular… and even more so because he made that promise.

they have moved away from that position in recent times. I think when it was the alpha variant it was probably a reasonable expectation that things would be irreversible because we effectively had it beaten, but then delta came along and it all went to poo. No-one could stand up now and seriously say things are irreversible when they are clearly not. I expect social distancing to be re-imposed as law in enclosed spaces within the month

[Scarlett.]

Yeah, a winter lockdown seems pretty likely right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see more variants around by then too

[arista]

Yeah, a winter lockdown seems pretty likely right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see more variants around by then too


Yes very possible,

[Nicky91]

Netherlands again a high risk zone according to Germany's RKI (Robert Koch Institute)

people who want to travel to germany from Netherlands, must sign up to the site einreiseanmeldung.de

in that site people must mention if they either got a negative pcr test, or proof of vaccination, or having had covid and recovered from it recently, if one of these is the case they don't need to be in quarantine

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

265 total hospitalisations, increase of 35 compared to yesterday

49 new patients on nursing wards

5 new patients on ICU/ventilator





face masks are a compulsory again in Hospitals, and no more unnecessary visitors for patients, and ask patients to come without anyone else whenever possible

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

265 total hospitalisations, increase of 35 compared to yesterday

49 new patients on nursing wards

5 new patients on ICU/ventilator





face masks are a compulsory again in Hospitals, and no more unnecessary visitors for patients, and ask patients to come without anyone else whenever possible

NL todays new cases numbers

11.363 new cases, 330 more than yesterday

2 new deaths


75 total ICU/ventilator patients

[arista]

Friday 16/7/21

49 have Died
51,870 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,964

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
551

128,642 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Yes Just as I Thought.


BBC1 London Reports 1000's who went to the Wembley Football
now have Covid-19

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Just as I Thought.


BBC1 London Reports 1000's who went to the Wembley Football
now have Covid-19

and none are actually ill

meanwhile today 450 died of heart attack

[bots]

wembley is irrelevant. All restrictions end on monday anyway, do people really think that everyone has been sticking to restrictions over the last few weeks and that they will wait to 00:01 on Monday? No chance :laugh:

[Cherie]

Making a new thread as the
other reaches 10K.
The last thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10977193#post10977193
And Shaun's first thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364573

Today
55,892 Caught Covid-19

964 have Died
73,512 total deaths

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,813

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



https://e3.365dm.com/20/12/768x432/skynews-tiers-tier-system-england_5222743.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20201230191824

Friday 16/7/21

49 have Died
51,870 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,964

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
551

128,642 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Starkly different figures from January when infections were similar
.

[arista]

and none are actually ill

meanwhile today 450 died of heart attack



That's not true
some are now in Hospital

[Zizu]

Yes Just as I Thought.


BBC1 London Reports 1000's who went to the Wembley Football
now have Covid-19


This weekends F1 runs from 16th to 18th July with an expected 140,000 fans there on Sunday alone !


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[Crimson Dynamo]

That's not true
some are now in Hospital

are they?

[Zizu]

Yeah, a winter lockdown seems pretty likely right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see more variants around by then too


Apart from everything else I’m concerned with getting Long Covid as well

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Apart from everything else I’m concerned with getting Long Covid as well

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where is the link?

[Beso]

Is it true more people died from vaccine complications than from covid last week.

[user104658]

Apart from everything else I’m concerned with getting Long Covid as well

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Worth pointing out that more than 50% of ICU stays for any reason (Covid or otherwise) have ongoing health complications for several months or even years after discharge… a lot of what’s reported as “long Covid” is just normal ICU complications, or even bog-standard PVFS (post-viral fatigue syndrome) that you can get after any virus. It’s very common after Glandular Fever, for example.

[Beso]

There are many symptoms of long covid..over 100 I think.

The squirts are one(an excuse to hide alchoholism)
Fatigue(excuse for millions)
Brain fog(one for the stoners to take advantage off)

[AnnieK]

Apart from everything else I’m concerned with getting Long Covid as well

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Have you had Covid?

[Zizu]

where is the link?


https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-half-of-hospital-patients-in-uks-first-wave-developed-at-least-one-complication-says-study-12356856


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[Zizu]

Have you had Covid?


Nope .... well not knowingly


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[Zizu]

I can’t say I’ve been at all impressed with the WHO at all throughout this pandemic

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[AnnieK]

Nope .... well not knowingly


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I wouldn't worry too much about long Covid then :love:

You've managed to stay virus free whilst working through the pandemic in a school packed with kids. You must have done something right to not pick up the virus, you've been double jabbed etc so long Covid is not something you need to concern yourself about at the moment :fc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can’t say I’ve been at all impressed with the WHO at all throughout this pandemic

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they are a shambles

[Zizu]

I wouldn't worry too much about long Covid then :love:

You've managed to stay virus free whilst working through the pandemic in a school packed with kids. You must have done something right to not pick up the virus, you've been double jabbed etc so long Covid is not something you need to concern yourself about at the moment :fc:


True .. I’m just a terrible worrier


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[Zizu]

I can’t say I’ve been at all impressed with the WHO at all throughout this pandemic

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This bloke was on TV last week explaining all this ... intriguing , as it seems that the evidence apparently points overwhelmingly to it being a man-made virus :(

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https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/coronavirus-outbreak/video/covid-19-no-natural-ancestor-created-wuhan-lab-study-1809087-2021-05-31


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