Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[user104658]

I reckon they were ****ing around with SARS.

[bots]

for all we know they are working on version 2 of their virus as we speak. If they want to create more nasty viruses, there is nothing we can do about it

[Crimson Dynamo]

China

[Zizu]

So why on gawds earth were they trying to make the naturally found virus MORE virulent ?

Shouldn’t they have been trying to find ways of making it weaker

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[user104658]

So why on gawds earth were they trying to make the naturally found virus MORE virulent ?

Shouldn’t they have been trying to find ways of making it weaker

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The suggestion is that they were working on biological weapons.

[Beso]

So nobody shagged a bat then?

And it's all down to those china....

Was donald right?

[Beso]

China probably made it to hide the murder of the muslim population from the rest of us..

[thesheriff443]

If it turns out that China released this disease I would gladly chop up every person involved into small pieces.

[Strictly Jake]

I've thought for a while this is a all a weapon and a huge experiment. I've also heard rumours that the likes of Russia and China may be looking into altering weather as a weapon. Perfectly possible when you think of the power that magnets and radiation can do now. Also whether people believe it or not there have been rumours of more UFO sightings. Quite possibly they could be some sort of weather drones putting stuff in the air. So things might start to get scary. The Chinese doctor at the very start tried to warn us all and was killed(apparently died of covid...hmm)

[Beso]

I've thought for a while this is a all a weapon and a huge experiment. I've also heard rumours that the likes of Russia and China may be looking into altering weather as a weapon. Perfectly possible when you think of the power that magnets and radiation can do now. Also whether people believe it or not there have been rumours of more UFO sightings. Quite possibly they could be some sort of weather drones putting stuff in the air. So things might start to get scary. The Chinese doctor at the very start tried to warn us all and was killed(apparently died of covid...hmm)

This..

Especially the ufo bit.

[user104658]

I've thought for a while this is a all a weapon and a huge experiment. I've also heard rumours that the likes of Russia and China may be looking into altering weather as a weapon. Perfectly possible when you think of the power that magnets and radiation can do now. Also whether people believe it or not there have been rumours of more UFO sightings. Quite possibly they could be some sort of weather drones putting stuff in the air. So things might start to get scary. The Chinese doctor at the very start tried to warn us all and was killed(apparently died of covid...hmm)


To be fair I don’t think it’s that well organised - I don’t think they’ve created Covid as a bio-weapon and deliberately released it as it is. I think they were experimenting with altering/controlling viruses and someone in the Wuhan lab didn’t follow all of the safety procedures, got infected, and it spread from there.

[Beso]

To be fair I don’t think it’s that well organised - I don’t think they’ve created Covid as a bio-weapon and deliberately released it as it is. I think they were experimenting with altering/controlling viruses and someone in the Wuhan lab didn’t follow all of the safety procedures, got infected, and it spread from there.

With all due respect TS, you cant even sneak a spare razor out a proctor n gamble factory without being shot in the uk, so I doubt that very much

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Large Daily Mirror
5 weeks to Lockdown.

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[arista]

Many due to go France
are angry, the Beta Variant (South Africa)
is high in France thus the Government putting
an Amber+ on it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

mess

[arista]

Yes LT
not enough Warning.

If I was going to the EU
I would check the nations Covid Levels myself, first.

[Beso]

My local council opened up food banks during the pandemic and they have decided to keep them open for another year...this points to another lockdown will be upon us soon.

[arista]

My local council opened up food banks during the pandemic and they have decided to keep them open for another year...this points to another lockdown will be upon us soon.



Yes very possible

[Cherie]

Many due to go France
are angry, the Beta Variant (South Africa)
is high in France thus the Government putting
an Amber+ on it.

If you travel to an amber country surly you have to expect this? They are lucky it’s not gone onto the red list

For us it’s far too dodgy to travel to our place in Spain as Amber can change to red within days and then you have the scramble to get home before you end up paying 1700 each in a hotel, it’s just not worth the risk ...We would only consider going to a green county and even then all the testing puts us off, if you test positive you are stuck out there until you test negative and who knows how long that would take

[Vanessa]

Im going to the seaside now that it's allowed.
Before another lockdowns starts. :fist:

[Cherie]

I don’t see us locking down fully again, think this is being pushed so people get vaccinated as vaccination rates have slowed dramatically

[bots]

everything is open to change very quickly at the moment. Anyone travelling is well aware of this, it's been happening since last year so people complaining about it are just stupid.

I think we will have some form of social distancing back in by law within the next 4-6 weeks and thats going to affect the leisure industries again. It's possible that the infections will burn themselves out particularly if this warm weather continues for a week or two, we will just have to wait and see

[Cherie]

everything is open to change very quickly at the moment. Anyone travelling is well aware of this, it's been happening since last year so people complaining about it are just stupid.

I think we will have some form of social distancing back in by law within the next 4-6 weeks and thats going to affect the leisure industries again. It's possible that the infections will burn themselves out particularly if this warm weather continues for a week or two, we will just have to wait and see

I’m sick of hearing about angry confused people who don’t appear to be able to risk assess their situation :laugh:

[Cherie]

We can go to Ireland though

People travelling from Britain to Ireland will no longer need to self-isolate on arrival here from Monday, 19 July if they are fully vaccinated, the Irish Embassy in London has said.

The requirement for them to undergo a PCR test 72 hours before departure will also end.

However, unvaccinated travellers from Britain will still have to produce a negative PCR test on arrival to this country and undergo 14-day home quarantine.

:cheer2:

[arista]

Im going to the seaside now that it's allowed.
Before another lockdowns starts. :fist:



Yes Hot in the Sun
use a Good Hat

[arista]

If you travel to an amber country surly you have to expect this? They are lucky it’s not gone onto the red list

For us it’s far too dodgy to travel to our place in Spain as Amber can change to red within days and then you have the scramble to get home before you end up paying 1700 each in a hotel, it’s just not worth the risk ...We would only consider going to a green county and even then all the testing puts us off, if you test positive you are stuck out there until you test negative and who knows how long that would take



Yes just a Late night Friday Amber+
change that has upset many due to travel

Meaning 10 days quarantine rules


https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-17/inconsistent-and-unclear-brits-frustration-at-new-france-quarantine-rules

[arista]

Israel is a great Example
In June 2021 they let everything go back to normal

Now all must have a Mask on
Restrictions are back
and they are at
our level of Vaccinations.

[arista]

[Israel:

Israel led the world in getting vaccines into people's arms.
Such was the success of its vaccination programme that
Israelis threw off the face coverings and embraced.

But this week Prime Minister Naftali Bennett urged
people to once again wear their masks indoors
and "stop kissing and hugging" - or face another
national lockdown as cases surge.

The police have been instructed to step up
enforcement of the mask rule with high fines
for people who violate it.]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-15/covid-what-lessons-can-england-learn-from-countries-forced-to-scale-back-new-freedoms

[Zizu]

[Israel:

Israel led the world in getting vaccines into people's arms.
Such was the success of its vaccination programme that
Israelis threw off the face coverings and embraced.

But this week Prime Minister Naftali Bennett urged
people to once again wear their masks indoors
and "stop kissing and hugging" - or face another
national lockdown as cases surge.

The police have been instructed to step up
enforcement of the mask rule with high fines
for people who violate it.]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-15/covid-what-lessons-can-england-learn-from-countries-forced-to-scale-back-new-freedoms


What do they know :)

There are people in here who are apparently far more qualified who reckon everything should go back to normal and things will be fine ... as most of the adults are double jabbed

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[Cherie]

What do they know :)

There are people in here who are apparently far more qualified who reckon everything should go back to normal and things will be fine ... as most of the adults are double jabbed

;)


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Who said that...

[Nicky91]

What do they know :)

There are people in here who are apparently far more qualified who reckon everything should go back to normal and things will be fine ... as most of the adults are double jabbed

;)


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No

normal life won't return for another 10 to 15 years

[DouglasS]

I don’t see us locking down fully again, think this is being pushed so people get vaccinated as vaccination rates have slowed dramatically

Yeah vaccinations are at the point now where every adult has been offered a vaccine (weeks ago), they’re slowing down because there isn’t as much demand, people who don’t want to get one won’t. So people that keep pushing “until the whole population are vaccinated” are dumb because it’s never going to happen :laugh: (and people shouldn’t be forced vaccines). In their eyes there should be a permenant lockdown therefore

[bots]

we have to get life back to normal as much as we can. It's right to test the boundaries to see what we can do without putting lives at undue risk

[Vanessa]

we have to get life back to normal as much as we can. It's right to test the boundaries to see what we can do without putting lives at undue risk

But we shouldn't be opening up while cases are rising so dramatically.
I think they should have waited.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

284 total hospitalisations, increase of 19 compared to yesterday

207 total on nursing wards, biggest number since June 27th when there were for the last time more than 200 patients

77 total ICU/ventilator patients, increase of 2 compared to yesterday

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[Coronavirus cases will stay high for months until
autumn after passing 100,000 in two weeks' time
and a new lockdown will be needed by September,
experts have warned.
It comes just two days before England is set to ditch
most restrictions including social distancing and
legal limits of gatherings
on Monday - dubbed Freedom Day.
Professor John Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene
and Tropical Medicine and
the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE),
said that with the lifting of lockdown restrictions
in England on Monday the
disease would continue to spread.]

[user104658]

we have to get life back to normal as much as we can. It's right to test the boundaries to see what we can do without putting lives at undue risk

I agree but the sensible thing to do would be to do it in increments with several weeks between each - which would have a better chance of identifying what actually is the "kicker" for reducing cases. Then if we do need to take action to reduce cases again, they can selectively tighten up on those things (whether that's clubs, large events, mixing in homes, whatever) without having to go "oh well we don't actually know which aspects work and which don't so we need to close everything down!".

I don't think there'll (hopefully ever) be a need to be closing down things like "non essential retail" again for example, or stopping people going to parks and beaches.

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[Coronavirus cases will stay high for months until
autumn after passing 100,000 in two weeks' time
and a new lockdown will be needed by September,
experts have warned.
It comes just two days before England is set to ditch
most restrictions including social distancing and
legal limits of gatherings
on Monday - dubbed Freedom Day.
Professor John Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene
and Tropical Medicine and
the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE),
said that with the lifting of lockdown restrictions
in England on Monday the
disease would continue to spread.]

Picture bang on topic for my post above: Why are they posting pictures of the beaches?? It's so unlikely that anyone would catch Covid on a beach, even a packed one, even unvaxxed!

Where are the pictures of packed bars and restaurants? That's where transmission risk is high.

[Nicky91]

Picture bang on topic for my post above: Why are they posting pictures of the beaches?? It's so unlikely that anyone would catch Covid on a beach, even a packed one, even unvaxxed!

Where are the pictures of packed bars and restaurants? That's where transmission risk is high.

:conf:

umm no


within 1.5 or 2 metres you can catch covid anywhere

[user104658]

:conf:

umm no


within 1.5 or 2 metres you can catch covid anywhere

Despite the perspective illusions these photographers have chosen to use to sell a good picture to the press - it is highly unlikely that people are sitting within 2m of a group of strangers on a beach, and airborne particles disperse to harmless levels in seconds in an outdoor environment.

You're more at risk 20m from someone in an air-conditioned room than you are 1m from them outdoors, because the air circulates.

[user104658]

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Daily cases have been dropping quite consistently in Scotland since the beginning of July.

[arista]

Picture bang on topic for my post above: Why are they posting pictures of the beaches?? It's so unlikely that anyone would catch Covid on a beach, even a packed one, even unvaxxed!

Where are the pictures of packed bars and restaurants? That's where transmission risk is high.



Just showing the level of people
Yes TS
Bars and Inside café's could be the real problem of transmission.

[user104658]

This one is also rather encouraging in terms of vaccine effectiveness at preventing hospitalisations and deaths - despite the rather alarming cases surge.

https://i.imgur.com/aj2MlGW.jpg

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

284 total hospitalisations, increase of 19 compared to yesterday

207 total on nursing wards, biggest number since June 27th when there were for the last time more than 200 patients

77 total ICU/ventilator patients, increase of 2 compared to yesterday

11.134 new cases, 190 less than yesterday

50 new patients on nursing wards

5 new patients on ICU/ventilators

[Zizu]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-england-unlocking-is-unethical-say-1200-scientists/amp/

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[Zizu]

You're more at risk 20m from someone in an air-conditioned room than you are 1m from them outdoors, because the air circulates.

I always questioned the reasoning behind schools having all the windows open for the last 18 months - surely that’s spreading the germs around the room constantly ?


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[user104658]

I always questioned the reasoning behind schools having all the windows open for the last 18 months - surely that’s spreading the germs around the room constantly ?


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It's for ventilation but to be honest, it's a tricky one, because what you want is air flowing through, i.e. coming in at one end of the room and OUT at the other, which you MIGHT get with open windows, but might not. Essentially the "best thing" would be an open window at the front of the room and an extractor fan at the back, kind of like a PC case.

However the room also "fills up" over time if there are no windows open at all so it's still better to have them open than not. 'tis all about viral dose - being near someone with Covid for 10 minutes isn't great, being in a closed room with them for an hour is 10x worse.

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I don’t understand this, as a I understand it there are countries that have already opened up but kept border restrictions...Israel, USA..Netherlands, Germany, Spain for example ...where were the letters then :shrug:

[Nicky91]

I don’t understand this, as a I understand it there are countries that have already opened up but kept border restrictions...Israel, USA..Netherlands, Germany, Spain for example ...where were the letters then :shrug:

haha

yes Netherlands is a fine example, of how well things went woops NOT

do we really want UK to reopen things and make the exact same mistakes as NL, since whenever nightclubs are open in UK too well i don't wanna know the rise in covid cases then



Germany well tbh their recent covid cases numbers is lower than in the waves before, and vaccination numbers are looking better now either


Spain no comment, mainland is just one big disaster after another with outbreaks, the islands people are still welcome to come though


USA no idea since i don't follow it over there anymore for a while now

[Zizu]

It's for ventilation but to be honest, it's a tricky one, because what you want is air flowing through, i.e. coming in at one end of the room and OUT at the other, which you MIGHT get with open windows, but might not. Essentially the "best thing" would be an open window at the front of the room and an extractor fan at the back, kind of like a PC case.

However the room also "fills up" over time if there are no windows open at all so it's still better to have them open than not. 'tis all about viral dose - being near someone with Covid for 10 minutes isn't great, being in a closed room with them for an hour is 10x worse.


Well we’ve had all the windows and doors open for about 17 months but a few weeks ago we had a visit from someone and 95% of the doors have to be closed now — fire regulations or something !?!

Balmy


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[bots]

I always questioned the reasoning behind schools having all the windows open for the last 18 months - surely that’s spreading the germs around the room constantly ?


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if there is say 1 open window, and someone with covid is sitting by the window, then all that persons covid droplets are going to get spread over the rest of the room. Proper ventilation is quite a complex topic

[Zizu]

if there is say 1 open window, and someone with covid is sitting by the window, then all that persons covid droplets are going to get spread over the rest of the room. Proper ventilation is quite a complex topic


You more or less describes most classrooms there ..

Guess that’s why we had 30 staff members off plus fewer than 500 pupils in last week rather than a thousand


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[Crimson Dynamo]

we are testing more than all of Europe combined at the moment

hence the number of cases

[bots]

I think we have to accept that the majority of the population is completely fed up with restrictions, Boris has to give it a go after all the vaccinations and see what happens. We can all see the death rate, and if it stays within reasonable bounds, then we have to go for it. I would think the upper limit will be 200-250 a day. If it goes higher than that then there will be immense pressure to lock down again. We won't know unless we try it

[arista]

Saturday 17/7/21

41 have Died
54,674 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,964

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
551

128,683 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

I think we have to accept that the majority of the population is completely fed up with restrictions, Boris has to give it a go after all the vaccinations and see what happens. We can all see the death rate, and if it stays within reasonable bounds, then we have to go for it. I would think the upper limit will be 200-250 a day. If it goes higher than that then there will be immense pressure to lock down again. We won't know unless we try it

Honestly though I think the best middle ground would be replacing "requirements" with "recommendations". That way, the people who are done with it and basically ignoring restrictions anyway will "feel more free" to do so, but without it seeming like the "all clear" has been signalled, which will prompt people who were actually happy enough to continue limiting social contact to get back out there.

Basically "Sure have a party at your house - but we're not telling you it's totally safe".

[arista]

[The UK has recorded 54,674 new coronavirus cases
and 41 deaths in the latest 24-hour period.

The figure is a rise on Friday's 51,870 cases,
which was the highest since mid-January.
Some 49 deaths were reported on Friday.

On vaccinations, 67,956 people
had their first dose on Friday,
while 188,976 completed their course.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-54-674-new-coronavirus-cases-and-41-more-deaths-12357817

[MTVN]

Where is the end if you are double jabbed against Covid and still can't even visit our closest neighbours without isolating ffs

Maybe we'll end up in a world where people basically never leave their home country

[DouglasS]

I don’t understand this, as a I understand it there are countries that have already opened up but kept border restrictions...Israel, USA..Netherlands, Germany, Spain for example ...where were the letters then :shrug:

Loads of America has no restrictions at all also, it’s just scaremongering from U.K. scientists trying to get other scientists to say “yes it may result in mutations and variations a threat to all”

[bots]

if/when we get more concerning variants, we will have to deal with it. Personally, i think people need to be sensible and make their own personal judgements about the risk they face. It's what we do every day with everything else

[Crimson Dynamo]

Loads of America has no restrictions at all also, it’s just scaremongering from U.K. scientists trying to get other scientists to say “yes it may result in mutations and variations a threat to all”
they scaremonger to cover their backs

its disgusting

[Zizu]

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Daily cases have been dropping quite consistently in Scotland since the beginning of July.


What are they doing differently to us ??

Anyone ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

What are they doing differently to us ??

Anyone ?


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our third wave happened before england

[Zizu]

[The UK has recorded 54,674 new coronavirus cases
and 41 deaths in the latest 24-hour period.

The figure is a rise on Friday's 51,870 cases,
which was the highest since mid-January.
Some 49 deaths were reported on Friday.

On vaccinations, 67,956 people
had their first dose on Friday,
while 188,976 completed their course.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-54-674-new-coronavirus-cases-and-41-more-deaths-12357817


Sadly the figures are weekend ones and don’t come close to the real picture.

Tuesday’s and Wednesdays are the ones I look out for


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[MTVN]

What are they doing differently to us ??

Anyone ?


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Didn't win a game at the Euros

[Zizu]

Honestly though I think the best middle ground would be replacing "requirements" with "recommendations". That way, the people who are done with it and basically ignoring restrictions anyway will "feel more free" to do so, but without it seeming like the "all clear" has been signalled, which will prompt people who were actually happy enough to continue limiting social contact to get back out there.

Basically "Sure have a party at your house - but we're not telling you it's totally safe".


Many do that anyways though ..

I work with two women who are making arrangements gif two sizeable ‘gatherings’ for next weekend . One well over a hundred people already . There’s also the younger people who have been partying all the way through this whole mess. There’s an 18 yr old in our cul-de-sac who’s had a party every two weeks or so .

We live in one of THE hotspots and we’ve had high infections throughout the pandemic


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[user104658]

What are they doing differently to us ??

Anyone ?


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Schools closed for summer 3 weeks ago. That's the biggest difference I can think of, unfortunately. Kids simply can't stand schools closing again though, this would be the 3rd affected year and it's getting to the point where there will be serious, irreparable damage to education country-wide.

[bots]

i think the 100k infection level will be reached in the next 2 or 3 weeks. Unless the infections burn themselves out, i think 200k is a more realistic peak. What effect that has on the country, i wouldn't dare speculate

[Zizu]

our third wave happened before england


So maybe ours won’t be too severe or lengthy ?


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[Zizu]

Schools closed for summer 3 weeks ago. That's the biggest difference I can think of, unfortunately. Kids simply can't stand schools closing again though, this would be the 3rd affected year and it's getting to the point where there will be serious, irreparable damage to education country-wide.


How did they manage in the Second World War , I wonder .. when tens of thousands of school kids were shipped off to the country for gawd knows how long


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[Zizu]

What on Earth is going on ??

##

Cases of Covid-19 in double-vaccinated people are continuing to rise, the latest data from the ZOE Covid study suggests.
It follows anecdotal reports from GPs that they are seeing increasing numbers of patients testing positive despite being double jabbed but a general reluctance to get tested.
A weekly update from the
ZOE
study at King’s College London, said there were currently 15,537 new daily symptomatic cases in partly or fully vaccinated people, an increase of 40% from 11,084 new cases last week.

By contrast in unvaccinated people in the UK there are currently an average of 17,581 new daily PCR-confirmed symptomatic cases of Covid, according to the ZOE figures, a drop of 22% from the week before.
It suggests the number of new cases in
the vaccinated population
is set to overtake the unvaccinated in the coming days, the team noted.
Data from Public Health England shows that there have been 10,834 people hospitalised with the Delta variant after being double-vaccinated out of a total of 123,620 total cases.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/gps-and-data-indicate-continued-rise-in-double-vaccinated-covid-cases/


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[bots]

oh joy, the media has lots of new angles to scaremonger over and they are taking full advantage

[Nicky91]

and? be more specific when trying to fearmonger at least


maybe those 55.000 Army personnel didn't have the time yet, you know some army personnel also just returned or has to return from afghanistan, i think most of those also still has to get their first jab



as for younger people are refusing the vaccine, well people have their own choice, but you got younger people like me (antisocial ones) perfectly understandable for not wanting the vaccine if you don't go out much, but you also got the types of younger people, very very active socializers, nightclub-goers, festival party ones, holidaygoers and to those well it should be better for them to get jabbed, but still own choice just saying what i think should be best that's all




i swear i have never been spreading any covid, i have my evidence i never been anywhere, not at nightclubs, not at festivals, not even inside stores




and also like TS said, the most infections are in pubs, restaurants, and i reckon after the 19th if Boris the Moron does go ahead with freedom day, the stores will also become a place of high infection rate, and not to forget, nightclubs/festivals

[AnnieK]

What on Earth is going on ??

##

Cases of Covid-19 in double-vaccinated people are continuing to rise, the latest data from the ZOE Covid study suggests.
It follows anecdotal reports from GPs that they are seeing increasing numbers of patients testing positive despite being double jabbed but a general reluctance to get tested.
A weekly update from the
ZOE
study at King’s College London, said there were currently 15,537 new daily symptomatic cases in partly or fully vaccinated people, an increase of 40% from 11,084 new cases last week.

By contrast in unvaccinated people in the UK there are currently an average of 17,581 new daily PCR-confirmed symptomatic cases of Covid, according to the ZOE figures, a drop of 22% from the week before.
It suggests the number of new cases in
the vaccinated population
is set to overtake the unvaccinated in the coming days, the team noted.
Data from Public Health England shows that there have been 10,834 people hospitalised with the Delta variant after being double-vaccinated out of a total of 123,620 total cases.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/gps-and-data-indicate-continued-rise-in-double-vaccinated-covid-cases/


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Vaccinated people have relaxed and mixing more. They are forgetting that you can still contract the virus or don't care if they do as they are hoping that the vaccine will keep them safe from serious illness.

The unvaccinated are still, probably and rightly, being more cautious as they are more at risk of serious illness and death.

The scientists have said all along that the vaccines don't stop you contracting covid.

[arista]

Yes Annie
great Points,

Marr on now
BBC1HD, his last show before a break
gives grim start

[bots]

the vaccine boosts your immune system and provides antibodies to covid which means that if you catch the virus, your are better placed to fight it off. If people are testing regularly like they are in the uk, whether they have symptoms or not, vaccinated people are going to show as testing positive, because the vaccine doesnt stop you catching it.

The simple truth is that compared to january of this year with a similar level of infection, the hospital admissions and death rate are orders of magnitude better. The data is there for all to see

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Vaccinated people have relaxed and mixing more. They are forgetting that you can still contract the virus or don't care if they do as they are hoping that the vaccine will keep them safe from serious illness.

The unvaccinated are still, probably and rightly, being more cautious as they are more at risk of serious illness and death.

The scientists have said all along that the vaccines don't stop you contracting covid.

good point Annie


i don't know if i am wrong here but don't the vaccines work differently on each individual, depending on how strong or weak your own immune system is

(i haven't got this from twitter, but from a dutch forum in its covid-19 subforum section, somebody wrote this there)

[Vanessa]

My local pharmacy is giving away free covid rapid tests.
Already took one and was negative.
I'm going to keep being careful and keep testing sometimes.

[Zizu]

Vaccinated people have relaxed and mixing more. They are forgetting that you can still contract the virus or don't care if they do as they are hoping that the vaccine will keep them safe from serious illness.

The unvaccinated are still, probably and rightly, being more cautious as they are more at risk of serious illness and death.

The scientists have said all along that the vaccines don't stop you contracting covid.


I don’t recall them ‘actively’ advertising the fact that everyone will be able to catch Covid ( multiple times) EVEN after you were fully vaccinated ... I guess that wouldn’t have been much of a selling factor if it had been mentioned.

To be fair , even though they did initially kinda ‘suggest’ something like fully vaccinated people won’t be dying or needing intensive care or ventilation ( clearly not correct) ... I do think an awful lot of people presumed that once you were fully ‘ vaxed’ you ‘probably’ wouldn’t be getting it at all ( again not close to being accurate).

I’d be wealthy if I had a quid for all the times someone told me to stop worrying as soon as I had my second jab.


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[joeysteele]

Vaccinated with the first or both injections.
Or not at all
You still can get the virus and pass it on to others.
Who perhaps are more vulnerable too.

Annie's points are very strong ones.

[arista]

[PM and chancellor U-turn: They now say they will isolate
after uproar over 'stupid' plan to avoid staying home

Downing Street had said Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak
will be taking in a pilot scheme whereby
they will be tested daily and so do not
have to quarantine - but that plan
has now been scrapped.]


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-and-sunak-not-isolating-despite-being-pinged-after-javids-positive-covid-test-12358198


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57879730

[arista]

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[DouglasS]

Vaccinated with the first or both injections.
Or not at all
You still can get the virus and pass it on to others.
Who perhaps are more vulnerable too.

Annie's points are very strong ones.

What’s your suggestion? To close the nightlife industry, travel industry, hospitality industry, events and festival industry forever? These will never recover at less than half capacity in order to abide by restrictions. That will be 15m people more unemployed. Thousands upon thousands more homeless. Less money/benefits to support the vulnerable, Poverty for the U.K. also children from rough backgrounds will fall further behind in life, unable to study at home. The class divide will widen dramatically.

A permenant lockdown or restrictions will impact millions of lives and taking away opportunists (largely that of working class).

We’ve vaccinated all adults who wish, giving additional protection. The amount that will die from covid who catch it is something like 0.01% now that the vulnerable have additional protection - if you ask me that is not worth ruining millions of peoples lives and inflicting poverty on millions. People in government do have to make these tough decisions and there are other measures than just deaths. While every death has dramatic implications and is very sad, we do not close rollercoaster parks when a person falls off a faulty ride and dies, there are sadly deaths everywhere at no fault of the person

Like LT has said more people die daily of heart attacks right now, yet this isn’t even discussed - should we ban and lockdown all crisps, chocolate and sweets forever and ban them? Because this would save lives also…

The vaccination programme is almost done, if we don’t unlock now we never will.. conditions will get worse every winter and there will always be variants, all we can do in my opinion is do booster vaccines each year and move on for the greater good for the working class, for children, for the economy, for hard working small business owners, for young people. There will NEVER be a good time to remove restrictions, it will always grow when unlocking occurs… there is no win/win situation

Also most old people do not want to be locked up and hidden from relatives for their end of their lives, my grandad has been severely depressed not being able to see anyone

The vast majority of the public want restrictions to end, the media is actually speaking on behalf of a small minority

[Cherie]

I thought it was well documented in the public domain that the vaccine protects the majority from serious disease and hospitalisation, and that vaccinated people reduce transmission, ie if you are in the company of other vaccinated people the likelihood of getting it and passing it on are low...it was well publicised vaccinated people can still get a mild form of the disease especially if they are mixing in unvaccinated circles

[Zizu]

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[michael21]

Marr on now
BBC1HD, his last show before a break
gives grim start

Bbc pay him well so he can take breaks

[Zizu]

Vaccinated with the first or both injections.
Or not at all
You still can get the virus and pass it on to others.
Who perhaps are more vulnerable too.

Annie's points are very strong ones.


Yes Annie is clearly correct , can’t be any other explanation really .


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[Zizu]

I thought it was well documented in the public domain that the vaccine protects the majority from serious disease and hospitalisation, and that vaccinated people reduce transmission, ie if you are in the company of other vaccinated people the likelihood of getting it and passing it on are low...it was well publicised vaccinated people can still get a mild form of the disease especially if they are mixing in unvaccinated circles


Maybe someone in here has some old links or screenshots of all the old ‘blurb’ that they put out at the time .


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[arista]

"unvaccinated"


Like our Nicky
in the Netherlands

[arista]

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[arista]

Jenrick MP Live on Both Early Political shows (SkyNewsHD, BBC1HD)
said the PM is on a special Pilot system
set up some time ago.

Now the PM and Rishi
have said they are not on that.
Standard Isolation, instead.

[arista]

From CNN HD Live State of The Union.
more deaths, from Covid-19
but they are the Unvaccinated.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

10.247 new cases

311 total hospitalisations

76 total ICU/ventilator patients, which surprisingly remains nicely stable (2 new ICU/ventilator patients)

42 new patients on nursing wards

1 new death

[Crimson Dynamo]

UK TODAY

460 people die of Heart and circulatory diseases

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its all kicking off in Oz:shocked:

In April, prime minister Scott Morrison boasted Australia was the “envy of the world”
with closed borders protecting it from the virus “raging” overseas. Now, his government
faces accusations of having “squandered its early victory” due to a vaccine “strollout”
that has left the population vulnerable.


Less than 10 per cent of adults are fully vaccinated after a bungled programme and
chaotic communication over side-effects. Much of the country is back in
lockdown with Sydney apartment blocks under police guard following an
outbreak of the Delta variant that has led to the first Covid deaths this year.



Former leader Kevin Rudd accused Mr Morrison of being “asleep at the wheel”
# for insisting the vaccine rollout was “not a race”. Others claim the sealed borders have
allowed a “dangerous delusion” to flourish. Plans to keep borders shut until mid-2022
appear to have compounded a laissez faire attitude, with nearly one in three Aussies
saying they were unlikely to get the jab.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-new-zealand-australia-latest-looking-home-frustrated-1107701

NSW records 111 new Covid-19 cases, as the government announces a significant
tightening of restrictions, including shutting down three local government areas, the
construction industry and all non-essential businesses.

Victoria records 19 new cases on the second day of its fifth lockdown.

[arista]

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Stop all the please, please

[Crimson Dynamo]

Me old Mum has just been moved from the hosp to respite care today and despite being double jagged and like Boris having had covid I now cant see her for 2 weeks as she has to isolate!

[Cherie]

Maybe someone in here has some old links or screenshots of all the old ‘blurb’ that they put out at the time .


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Google it?

[Cherie]

Its all kicking off in Oz:shocked:

In April, prime minister Scott Morrison boasted Australia was the “envy of the world”
with closed borders protecting it from the virus “raging” overseas. Now, his government
faces accusations of having “squandered its early victory” due to a vaccine “strollout”
that has left the population vulnerable.


Less than 10 per cent of adults are fully vaccinated after a bungled programme and
chaotic communication over side-effects. Much of the country is back in
lockdown with Sydney apartment blocks under police guard following an
outbreak of the Delta variant that has led to the first Covid deaths this year.



Former leader Kevin Rudd accused Mr Morrison of being “asleep at the wheel”
# for insisting the vaccine rollout was “not a race”. Others claim the sealed borders have
allowed a “dangerous delusion” to flourish. Plans to keep borders shut until mid-2022
appear to have compounded a laissez faire attitude, with nearly one in three Aussies
saying they were unlikely to get the jab.

[

NSW records 111 new Covid-19 cases, as the government announces a significant
tightening of restrictions, including shutting down three local government areas, the
construction industry and all non-essential businesses.

Victoria records 19 new cases on the second day of its fifth lockdown.

I was reading yesterday about all the Australians and NZ citizens stranded across the world as they can’t access quarantine when they fly home, it’s a human right abuse imo

[Zizu]

Google it?


I tried but there’s soooo much blurb out there


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[bots]

Supermarkets have warned they will have to cut opening hours or even shut shops if the number of workers forced to self-isolate continues to rise.

M&S said the number of workers being notified by the NHS app is rising exponentially, and it may have to reduce hours if there are shortages.

A leading supermarket, which declined to be named, said it could lead to massive disruption of food supplies.

"And there's a risk that there won't be sufficient staff to open shops."

Last week, over 500,000 alerts were sent to users of the NHS Test and Trace app in England and Wales for the week to 7 July, a rise of 46% on the previous week.

M&S chief executive Steve Rowe told The Times that the number of people being forced to self-isolate is "a major issue across every industry at the moment".

He said: "Our Covid cases are roughly doubling every week and the pinging level is about three to one of Covid cases, so we're seeing that growing exponentially."

He said: "If there's shortages we'll have to manage it by changing hours of stores, reducing hours."

From 16 August, people who have been fully vaccinated will not have to self-isolate if they are "pinged" by the NHS app when they have come into contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid. They will instead be advised to take PCR test as soon as possible.

[Zizu]

From 16 August, people who have been fully vaccinated will not have to self-isolate if they are "pinged" by the NHS app when they have come into contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid. They will instead be advised to take PCR test as soon as possible.


Surely everyone will just delete the NHS CovidApp rather than having to go to the trouble of getting PCR tested ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely everyone will just delete the NHS CovidApp rather than having to go to the trouble of getting PCR tested ??


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The NHS app is ADVISORY ONLY

so you can choose to ignore it or delete

[bots]

The NHS app is ADVISORY ONLY

so you can choose to ignore it or delete

it's absolutely not advisory, you are instructed to isolate and you must do it. You don't of course need to download the app and you can delete it at any time, so in that situation, it's pointless if you want to break the rules

[Zizu]

The number of 1st doses given has halved over the last 2 weeks !!

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[Crimson Dynamo]

it's absolutely not advisory, you are instructed to isolate and you must do it. You don't of course need to download the app and you can delete it at any time, so in that situation, it's pointless if you want to break the rules

Its is advisory. If you are "pinged" you're advised - but not legally obliged - to self-isolate for 10 days.

Only if you are contacted by T & T is it mandatory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57854999

[Zizu]

It will be fine .. what could possibly go wrong ?!

I wonder what the infections rate at Bournemouth will like next week

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[Cherie]

It will be fine .. what could possibly go wrong ?!

I wonder what the infections rate at Bournemouth will like next week

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Nothing if we learned anything from 2020

[Cherie]

Me old Mum has just been moved from the hosp to respite care today and despite being double jagged and like Boris having had covid I now cant see her for 2 weeks as she has to isolate!

Honestly don't understand this at all, surely this piloting of lateral flow tests for 5 days should come into play here for both of you and if both clear given you are both double jabbed you could visit

[bots]

social distancing is no longer a legal requirement from midnight, people are hardly going to take any notice of it 12 hours before its ending

[Crimson Dynamo]

Honestly don't understand this at all, surely this piloting of lateral flow tests for 5 days should come into play here for both of you and if both clear given you are both double jabbed you could visit

I went in this morning to take in nighties etc (before she arrived) so i was fine to go in and i had been in to see her in the hospital on Friday :conf2:

you could not make it up

[ThomasC]

It will be fine .. what could possibly go wrong ?!

I wonder what the infections rate at Bournemouth will like next week

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Well they also allowed 60,000 at a football match.

Come tomorrow you're allowed to anyway.

So the government need to lockdown again or keep restrictions otherwise.....

[ThomasC]

it's absolutely not advisory, you are instructed to isolate and you must do it. You don't of course need to download the app and you can delete it at any time, so in that situation, it's pointless if you want to break the rules

Correct.

It's advisory

[DouglasS]

It will be fine .. what could possibly go wrong ?!

I wonder what the infections rate at Bournemouth will like next week

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Glad they’re having a great time :love:

They’re outdoors having fun? People don’t sit with strangers on the beach? What’s the issue I don’t get it? This is a photo taken from above at an angle that makes it seem like they’re sardines, but they’re just sat at the beach with their family or friends? :laugh:

[DouglasS]

The number of 1st doses given has halved over the last 2 weeks !!

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Yes because they have dosed everyone who wanted it? If there isn’t demand they can’t dose people? Why is this concerning, if everyone has been offered one already or course it’s going to slow. The people taking it up now we’re the people who were unsure about taking it - so they aren’t gonna by jumping at the opportunity

This is why the government is unlocking, there’s basically just second doses to go and a small amount of first doses of people who have booked late/ have decided to get it later.

I honestly Don’t think it’s worth getting so scared or stressing yourself out. The media will negatively spin each statistic, or take strategic photos high up (like on the beach which is outside and spaced in reality)

If every single person had been vaccinated the media would still say: SHOCKING 0 people vaccinated Today :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It will be fine .. what could possibly go wrong ?!

I wonder what the infections rate at Bournemouth will like next week

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nor the scaremongering beach pic at a low angle

:joker:


try again

[arista]

Sunday 18/7/21

25 have Died
48,161 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
3,964

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
551

128,708 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Glad they’re having a great time :love:

They’re outdoors having fun? People don’t sit with strangers on the beach? What’s the issue I don’t get it? This is a photo taken from above at an angle that makes it seem like they’re sardines, but they’re just sat at the beach with their family or friends? :laugh:


I’m more than happy to see everyone outdoors .. guess they won’t be going into pubs / shops / fast food places / restaurants or amusements


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[lolaharper]

I don't think that the vaccines will stop the spread of covid 19.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=arista;11074274]Sunday 18/7/21

25 have Died


460 people died today from heart problems

[arista]

Ch4HDnews had a shocking
report from Myanmar (Used to be called Burma)
One Son waited for hours to buy oxygen
then the troops ordered him to go home.
His Dad died of Covid-19.

The Military is blocking so much.

[ThomasC]

[QUOTE=arista;11074274]Sunday 18/7/21

25 have Died


460 people died today from heart problems

Shhh, don't talk sense.

[arista]

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;11074277]

Shhh, don't talk sense.


Who are you talking about

[arista]

[QUOTE=arista;11074274]Sunday 18/7/21

25 have Died


460 people died today from heart problems


Yes Heart attacks are increasing
due to Covid
Stopping people get to their GP's

[ThomasC]

[QUOTE=ThomasC;11074279]


Who are you talking about

Trumpet when he/she put other death numbers down just puts it into perspective with all the scare mongering

[arista]

[QUOTE=arista;11074280]

Trumpet when he/she put other death numbers down just puts it into perspective with all the scare mongering


LT is a Man.


Heart attacks are sadly increasing
as Covid has Stopped people going to the Doctor
who can give them a daily tablet
to stop Heart Attacks.

[AnnieK]

Deaths from lots of things are increasing. My son's Nana (his Dads mum) passed away last week from cancer. She had covid in the first wave and when she developed symptoms of cancer, her GP fobbed her off and told her it was probably long covid. By the time she actually managed to get them to do any investigations she had Stage 4 cancer with secondary tumours. She lost her fight last week at home as she didn't want to go to hospital / hospice as she would be limited on visitors. :sad:

[bots]

i think we just need to see how things go. If the hospitals fill up with covid patients over the summer when it should be at its lightest, then we have a big problem. Personally, i think people needed a break from restrictions, no matter what the knock on effects are, and with the vaccination program having been so successful, it has to be tried, but i wouldnt want to be making the decisions, because i don't think there is a right answer anymore

[Cherie]

Deaths from lots of things are increasing. My son's Nana (his Dads mum) passed away last week from cancer. She had covid in the first wave and when she developed symptoms of cancer, her GP fobbed her off and told her it was probably long covid. By the time she actually managed to get them to do any investigations she had Stage 4 cancer with secondary tumours. She lost her fight last week at home as she didn't want to go to hospital / hospice as she would be limited on visitors. :sad:

Appalling really ...there doesn’t seem to be any middle ground in these scenarios

Sorry for your loss

[Cherie]

Just flicking through the channels Milwaukee v Portland basketball game with 25,000 Milwaukee fans albeit outside packed together jumping up and down as their team is winning, the WHO should have a word :fist:

[AnnieK]

Appalling really ...there doesn’t seem to be any middle ground in these scenarios

Sorry for your loss

Aw thank you. Matthew has been devastated. He has now lost both his grandmothers to cancer before he's 11 and this could possibly have been treated if they had caught it earlier.

:love:

[Niamh.]

Deaths from lots of things are increasing. My son's Nana (his Dads mum) passed away last week from cancer. She had covid in the first wave and when she developed symptoms of cancer, her GP fobbed her off and told her it was probably long covid. By the time she actually managed to get them to do any investigations she had Stage 4 cancer with secondary tumours. She lost her fight last week at home as she didn't want to go to hospital / hospice as she would be limited on visitors. :sad:So sorry Annie, hope Mathew is OK

[AnnieK]

So sorry Annie, hope Mathew is OK

Thank you :love:

[joeysteele]

Deaths from lots of things are increasing. My son's Nana (his Dads mum) passed away last week from cancer. She had covid in the first wave and when she developed symptoms of cancer, her GP fobbed her off and told her it was probably long covid. By the time she actually managed to get them to do any investigations she had Stage 4 cancer with secondary tumours. She lost her fight last week at home as she didn't want to go to hospital / hospice as she would be limited on visitors. :sad:

Really sad reading this post of yours Annie.
Devastating..

Thinking of you all.

[AnnieK]

Really sad reading this post of yours Annie.
Devastating..

Thinking of you all.

Thank you Joey :love:

[arista]

Covid: 'Pingdemic' threatens shop
openings say supermarkets]

[Supermarkets have warned they will have to
cut opening hours or even shut shops if
the number of workers forced
to self-isolate continues to rise.

M&S said the number of workers being
notified by the NHS app is rising exponentially,
and it may have to reduce hours if
there are shortages.

A leading supermarket, which declined to be named,
said it could lead to massive disruption of food supplies.

"And there's a risk that there won't be sufficient staff
to open shops."
Last week, over 500,000 alerts were sent to
users of the NHS Test and Trace app in England
and Wales for the week to 7 July, a rise of
46% on the previous week.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57878345

[Marsh.]

Deaths from lots of things are increasing. My son's Nana (his Dads mum) passed away last week from cancer. She had covid in the first wave and when she developed symptoms of cancer, her GP fobbed her off and told her it was probably long covid. By the time she actually managed to get them to do any investigations she had Stage 4 cancer with secondary tumours. She lost her fight last week at home as she didn't want to go to hospital / hospice as she would be limited on visitors. :sad:

:love:

[arista]

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[Zizu]

So what do Starmer and his cronies do tomorrow?


They have a tricky dilemma

Do they go along with the tories grand scheme of releasing of restrictions - as the majority of the public want OR do they do the brave and probably correct thing and argue against the idea as the world’s health experts seem to be doing ??


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[arista]

The 7:30AM Train from Edinburgh to Kings X
is leaving on time.

GMBHD itv has Nick Dixon reporter
right in the Train Station, he pointed out
while in Scotland on any Train
Masks must be worn.

[Nicky91]

omg Boris seriously ''be cautious''


you do know people won't do that, since you cannot trust the public, which is why you need lockdowns




UK and NL can really shake hands now, both being very stupid :facepalm:




should've waited until next month at least, but well if there is too much pressure on the NHS, then Boris is the one to blame

[arista]

omg Boris seriously ''be cautious''


you do know people won't do that, since you cannot trust the public, which is why you need lockdowns




UK and NL can really shake hands now, both being very stupid :facepalm:




should've waited until next month at least, but well if there is too much pressure on the NHS, then Boris is the one to blame



Yes Nicky
your nation tried what we are now doing,
Now you are safer back with masks

[Nicky91]

Yes Nicky
your nation tried what we are now doing,
Now you are safer back with masks

masks? :shrug:

no real mention of masks in our parliament


just no more nightlife since most of our recent infection came from nightclubs/indoor dance festivals

ignoring FieldLab and OMT too what they had to say for advice, so our demissionary government (yes our new government still not chosen) is fully to blame for the new infection outbreaks

[MTVN]

First impressions of freedom day are that it doesn't seem that different to before tbh - vast majority are still wearing masks and observing distancing. Most pubs that I've seen post their new rules are still forbidding drinking at the bar and are asking people to stay at their tables unless ordering. Nice to see pointless measures like one way systems done away with

[Cherie]

Just been out petrol station still high proportion of customers wearing masks, Sainsburys have asked people to continue to wear masks so stunned to see they have taken screens down at the self service check out, what harm were they doing :shrug:

.

[arista]

5PM Prof. Van Tam /Prof. Vallance
Live.


Johnson PM as well.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: PM Rutte ''for now no extra measures''


only the working from home advice is again active


health minister De Jonge says the number of daily infections is too high, but they seem to be levelling off


and also a mention of good ventilation indoors to prevent spread of the virus (yes Rutte, maybe contact Germany's North-Rhine Westphalia's Laschet with his air circulation device idea)

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

361 total hospitalisations

277 total on nursing wards, 54 new nursing wards patients (biggest increase since June 5th)

84 total on ICU's/ventilators, 9 new ICU patients (biggest increase since June 10th)

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

361 total hospitalisations

277 total on nursing wards, 54 new nursing wards patients (biggest increase since June 5th)

84 total on ICU's/ventilators, 9 new ICU patients (biggest increase since June 10th)

continuing: 8.932 new cases, 1.291 less than yesterday


for the third day in a row, number of daily infections decreasing

[arista]

Monday 19/7/21


19 have Died
39,950 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
4,094


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
573


128,727 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
GBnewsHD
LBC
Times Radio DAB
Radio5


Live 9 Downing St.
Johnson on a Screen
in a min.

[arista]

Live now


[A small number of named fully vaccinated critical workers
will be able to leave their isolation - PM]

[bots]

they are looking at making a vaccine pass mandatory to attend crowded events like night clubs by september when everyone will have been offered a double jab

[Cherie]

By September it will be mandatory to be vaccinated to enter Night Clubs, I expect this to be rolled out to bars and restaurants as well tbh

[bots]

By September it will be mandatory to be vaccinated to enter Night Clubs, I expect this to be rolled out to bars and restaurants as well tbh

snap :laugh:

its to encourage the youngsters to be vaccinated

[Cherie]

snap :laugh:

its to encourage the youngsters to be vaccinated

Good call

[michael21]

they are looking at making a vaccine pass mandatory to attend crowded events like night clubs by september when everyone will have been offered a double jab

It should already be then young will get the jab fast (we'll fastest then the oaps)

[bots]

JVT is great, he doesn't mess about, he tells it as he sees it

[Vanessa]

JVT is great, he doesn't mess about, he tells it as he sees it

JVT for prime minister :dance:

[arista]

It has Concluded
50mins long.

[Crimson Dynamo]

why does Boris and the boffins constantly say the NHS is working flat out?

I have been in and out of hospitals for the last year umpteen times and have never seen this. A nurse from SOmerset called LBC yesterday and said the hospital is quiet and the fact so many less people are around the days go longer?

[arista]

Why does Boris and the boffins constantly say the NHS is working flat out?

I have been in and out of hospitals for the last year umpteen times and have never seen this. A nurse from Somerset called LBC yesterday and said the hospital is quiet and the fact so many less people are around the days go longer?


He is Bluffing

[Zizu]

why does Boris and the boffins constantly say the NHS is working flat out?

I have been in and out of hospitals for the last year umpteen times and have never seen this. A nurse from SOmerset called LBC yesterday and said the hospital is quiet and the fact so many less people are around the days go longer?


Manchester Royal just last week

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[Vanessa]

I live near a hospital and it's not busy at all.

[Marsh.]

All these people who don't work in hospitals heing experts on their workload. :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Manchester Royal just last week

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Senior figures in several parts of the Greater Manchester system say Covid in-
patients are currently running at around half of the peak seen in 2020, but the
NHS is also having to battle the simultaneous huge surge in attendances to A&E
for other ailments, as well as tackling a 350,000-strong waiting list backlog.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-starts-opening-extra-21050865

[bots]

its all about bed apportionment. They want to keep wards available for things other than covid. It doesn't mean that they are maxed out in overall capacity. Also, there are hot spots, but the nhs as a whole doesn't have a problem dealing with covid at the moment. How that will look in another month is a different thing of course

[arista]

Andrew Lloyd Webber cancels Cinderella for the rest of the week

A Star got Covid-19.
Was just Featured on BBC1 London news.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-andrew-lloyd-webber-cancels-cinderella-for-the-rest-of-the-week-after-cast-and-crew-forced-to-isolate-12359271

[Crimson Dynamo]

No testing now to get into Ireland

meanwhile USA puts us on the red list

[Vanessa]

I'm still not going abroad this year.
I don't feel safe yet.
Hopefully next year. I really miss my family.

[bots]

Andrew Lloyd Webber seems fated to never open his shows ... some (like me) view that as a good thing :laugh:

[arista]

No testing now to get into Ireland

meanwhile USA puts us on the red list



Yes they are Suffering
the Delta variant like us.

[Cherie]

Monday 12/7/21

6 have Died
34,471 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,731

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417



128,431 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 19/7/21


19 have Died
39,950 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
4,094


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
573


128,727 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Zizu]

No testing now to get into Ireland

meanwhile USA puts us on the red list


Have you got some kind of link for the USA red list , please


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[bots]

the infection peak and then drop off is suspiciously close to the wembley games

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/bbcnwt/status/1417217216676831244?s=21


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[user104658]

why does Boris and the boffins constantly say the NHS is working flat out?

I have been in and out of hospitals for the last year umpteen times and have never seen this. A nurse from SOmerset called LBC yesterday and said the hospital is quiet and the fact so many less people are around the days go longer?


ICU’s are nowhere near what they were like at winter peak or first peak, but Covid admissions have been steadily increasing.

This is direct from ICU and HDU staff both north and south of the border (my wife knows people in a wide circle within NHS staff).

The biggest problem hospitals have been facing is staff absence - so overwhelmed due to staff/patient ratio and lack of staff, rather than volume of patients. I think they recently changed to isolation rules for frontline NHS staff to tackle that, though?

[Zizu]

Correction- only 40% of new hospitalisations are double vaccinated .. 60% are not double vaccinated .. great .

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GMBHD itv Live Debate
gave us this Error Patrick made yesterday
At least he corrected it.

[Cherie]

Covid passports are going to be required across the world for the foreseeable, we better get used to it

[Nicky91]

vaccinated people should still wear face masks, or stick to social distancing


and negative testing policies should also remain



i've heard on our news here, how vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus




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i myself think this is very possible yes, and also i myself had read the vaccines doesn't work for all people, also some cases where some aren't protected

[Nicky91]

Netherlands will donate 745.000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine to countries whom cannot afford to buy vaccines themselves and whom are far behind in terms of vaccine rollout


other vaccines whom are no longer necessary in Netherlands, go into the Covax program of WHO

[arista]

1417373215060602890


In the Evening
these 2 Guests are on GBnewsHD

[bots]

i'm not sure why they are pushing this requirement for clubs etc. We know vaccinated people can still get covid and spread it, so in an enclosed stuffy environment people will still catch it easily. I just don't get the logic

[Strictly Jake]

i'm not sure why they are pushing this requirement for clubs etc. We know vaccinated people can still get covid and spread it, so in an enclosed stuffy environment people will still catch it easily. I just don't get the logic

There is no logic. Pretty much all of the rules have had no logic. Of course vaccinated can still catch it. But they would prefer people to have vaccines rather then PCR tests that confirm they are negative

There is a lot of very confusing stuff going on.

Things like the euros can go ahead and we saw the crowds with the lack of social distancing and masks
but its too dangerous for parents to watch school sports days

We have seen the rich and powerful go on to do what they want isolation wise. Cough cough Kate Middleton. But if our phone pings then we have to isolate and kids being told on their last few days of school that they have to isolate. It was pretty much all of the schools in my area nearly every single year group. Seems a bit of coincidence to me. We had an email through on Saturday to say someone in my daughter's year has tested positive. They won't say what class it is. My daughter should be missing her first week of the summer holidays isolating. Not a chance!

Now we are told we have freedom. What we have isn't freedom. What we have is a bit of a breather while the gov decide what rules the poor should be entitled to

[Vanessa]

i'm not sure why they are pushing this requirement for clubs etc. We know vaccinated people can still get covid and spread it, so in an enclosed stuffy environment people will still catch it easily. I just don't get the logic

Yes, but it still gives you very strong protection.
Even if you catch it you're less likely to end up in hospital

[bots]

Yes, but it still gives you very strong protection.
Even if you catch it you're less likely to end up in hospital

but youngsters have never had a real risk of being in hospital, it's a pointless exercise

[arista]

i'm not sure why they are pushing this requirement for clubs etc. We know vaccinated people can still get covid and spread it, so in an enclosed stuffy environment people will still catch it easily. I just don't get the logic



Yes in a few weeks
we should find out infections from these packed clubs.

[Vanessa]

but youngsters have never had a real risk of being in hospital, it's a pointless exercise

I hope so. We should find out soon.

[Cherie]

but youngsters have never had a real risk of being in hospital, it's a pointless exercise

according to JVT and his shed if you pack it with vaccinated people and then with unvaccinated you get two different outcomes :laugh:

[bots]

according to JVT and his shed if you pack it with vaccinated people and then with unvaccinated you get two different outcomes :laugh:

it reduces the risk of transmission, but it's still going to be a spreading event

[Nicky91]

There is no logic. Pretty much all of the rules have had no logic. Of course vaccinated can still catch it. But they would prefer people to have vaccines rather then PCR tests that confirm they are negative

There is a lot of very confusing stuff going on.

Things like the euros can go ahead and we saw the crowds with the lack of social distancing and masks
but its too dangerous for parents to watch school sports days

We have seen the rich and powerful go on to do what they want isolation wise. Cough cough Kate Middleton. But if our phone pings then we have to isolate and kids being told on their last few days of school that they have to isolate. It was pretty much all of the schools in my area nearly every single year group. Seems a bit of coincidence to me. We had an email through on Saturday to say someone in my daughter's year has tested positive. They won't say what class it is. My daughter should be missing her first week of the summer holidays isolating. Not a chance!

Now we are told we have freedom. What we have isn't freedom. What we have is a bit of a breather while the gov decide what rules the poor should be entitled to

euro's had to have audiences, otherwise countries would've gotten huge fines by UEFA

[Cherie]

School sports days have gone ahead in some schools, I think that is a local issue for your school Jake?

Pretty sure Kate isolated after Wembley Jake

I agree about one rule for one and another for others though Jake lol

[bots]

People do not need to automatically self-isolate if they are sent an alert by the Covid app, a government minister stresses.

There has been widespread criticism that the app has been sending out so many alerts that hundreds of thousands of people are self-isolating and missing work, causing disruption.

The app has always been voluntary to download and any alerts are advisory. That's because nobody knows who has been pinged due to privacy, so they can't be forced. However the official guidance was that people should isolate immediately if the app tells them too.

A new update to the app on Monday features language stressing it is advisory, rather than compulsory.

Business minister Paul Scully said on Tuesday morning that self-isolating after being told to by the app was a decision for individuals and employers.

Scully told Times Radio: "It's important to understand the rules. You have to legally isolate if you are on the... contacted by Test and Trace, or if you're trying to claim isolation payments.

"The app is there to give... to allow you to make informed decisions. And I think by backing out of mandating a lot of things, we're encouraging people to really get the data in their own hands to be able to make decisions on what's best for them, whether they're employer or an employee."

Asked whether this meant people should or should not self-isolate if "pinged", he said: "We want to encourage people to still use the app to be able to do the right thing, because we estimate it saves around 8,000 lives."

However, he added that it was "up to individuals and employers".


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The smell of bullsheet is ripe in the air :laugh:

[Ammi]

…I’m not sure with the Covid passport thing for clubs …when masks were introduced as compulsory in supermarkets etc, the police advice was for staff to not ‘confront and say…you haven’t got so you can’t come in/must leave etc until you have got…?…that could have led to what could have been ‘physical situations so for safety reasons…’….so when people checking passports etc are also in situations of having to potentially decline alcohol fuelled people…’..surely aggressive situations and putting in danger is going to be heightened…it just doesn’t seem very smart to me to put that onus onto club staff at the doors…?…unless people will have to ‘prebook’ an evening in a club online before they go and having swiped their passport ID etc online and be given a pass code’ to present at the door…it’ll be interesting how the system works…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of the 1249 people who died yesterday in the UK

1.5% were Covid

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['OUR Freedom Day lasted 17 HOURS':
Nightclub bosses blast Boris over plan
for compulsory vaccine
passports... in 'another chaotic U-turn' a week
after saying revellers would NOT need them]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9805255/OUR-Freedom-Day-lasted-17-HOURS-Nightclub-bosses-blast-plan-compulsory-vaccine-passports.html

[arista]

Downing St has stated the Ping
is not Advisory


Despite a Government Minister on all media
this morning, telling everyone it is advisory?

[user104658]

Downing St has stated the Ping
is not Advisory


Despite a Government Minister on all media
this morning, telling everyone it is advisory?

Daft because having the app isn't mandatory, and they can't make it mandatory, as there's no way to monitor that. People will just remove the app, or turn off their bluetooth before they go into public spaces.

[Zizu]

Downing St has stated the Ping
is not Advisory


Despite a Government Minister on all media
this morning, telling everyone it is advisory?


What about all the phone calls they make to you when are self isolating ?


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[arista]

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SkyNews reporter Jason Farrell
Finds a Scary Cut out for Kids.

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[arista]

Every news
has shown a clip of Andrew Lloyd Webber
moaning about the Government.
But his show has stopped due to one of his
Cast Catching Covid-19.
That member of Staff got close to another with it.

[bots]

Every news
has shown a clip of Andrew Lloyd Webber
moaning about the Government.
But his show has stopped due to one of his
Cast Catching Covid-19.
That member of Staff got close to another with it.

yeah, what he is saying is that people shouldn't need to isolate on close contact, which is bollocks really. This test every day strategy doesnt work because the person could be spreading it merrily before they actually test positive. That is a proven scenario and it happened at the white house when they had the outbreak where people were testing positive for weeks after the actual initial event

[arista]

[Music and entertainment retailer HMV
has said it is looking to open 10 new stores this year
as it continues to put its faith in High Street stores.]

Amazing News
They are now owned by the Canadian music retail
executive Doug Putman
who says stores have a future

[arista]

Tuesday 20/7/21

96 have Died
46,588 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
4,567

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
611


128,823 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

[Music and entertainment retailer HMV
has said it is looking to open 10 new stores this year
as it continues to put its faith in High Street stores.]

Amazing News
They are now owned by the Canadian music retail
executive Doug Putman
who says stores have a future

Bizarre really - high street media sales were going the way of the dodo years BEFORE covid :think:.

Who goes to HMV to buy a CD when they can download the 24 bit masters and then burn them onto another CD using a coax cable and then re-rip them as MP3's, right arista??

[Scarlett.]

96 deaths is quite the increase...

[arista]

Bizarre really - high street media sales were going the way of the dodo years BEFORE covid :think:.

Who goes to HMV to buy a CD when they can download the 24 bit masters and then burn them onto another CD using a coax cable and then re-rip them as MP3's, right arista??


They are Selling LP's
CD's, BluRays
Older shopper I guess


I buy Japan BluSec CD's
above 24bit.

Gary Moore just had one "How Blue Can You Get"
2021 made.
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[Vanessa]

We have to learn to live with the virus.
Things should settle down soon, hopefully.

[arista]

96 deaths is quite the increase...



Yes that's a High Amount.

[bots]

if it was gary moore that just did it, it would be a clever trick. Remastered recordings is all it is

[bots]

you should never look at daily deaths because of the variance in when they are registered. It's better to look at the weekly average. However, it is an increase on the face of it

[arista]

if it was gary moore that just did it, it would be a clever trick. Remastered recordings is all it is


No they are new recordings from the past.

[Vanessa]

We can't be on lockdown forever, it's just not possible.
The best we can do is try and be sensible, but still live our lives.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We can't be on lockdown forever, it's just not possible.
The best we can do is try and be sensible, but still live our lives.

and not have our lives dictated to by how the NHS is run

[Vanessa]

From what I've seen most people are being careful.
I've seen many still wearing their masks in public transport and shops.