Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Cherie]

OK, they can ask, and I politely decline, what now? Can we just go on as normal like we have done for the past 43 years of my life?

I feel,as a generation we have had it pretty easy...no wars to contend with..imagine having to send your kids to the country to keep them safe...or rush to an air raid shelter in the middle of the night..or have your food rationed...I feel wearing a mask is a minor inconvenience...I have never stopped and wear one when shopping or last week on a train we all wore masks...I don’t really see the big deal if I am honest...it’s not limiting my freedom in the way a lockdown would

[arista]

You're not stopping me, but you seem to be supporting people who plan to stop me.


Stop all this Alf
its just a Mask you put on.


Thats not a problem.

[Alf]

I feel,as a generation we have had it pretty easy...no wars to contend with..imagine having to send your kids to the country to keep them safe...or rush to an air raid shelter in the middle of the night..or have your food rationed...I feel wearing a mask is a minor inconvenience...I have never stopped and wear one when shopping or last week on a train we all wore masks...I don’t really see the big deal if I am honest...it’s not limiting my freedom in the way a lockdown wouldYou're right, it's about the same minor inconvenience to person as the Jews being made to wear a Yellow star. Although wearing a mask is maybe a bit worse because it halts you a bit from breathing fresh air.

[Alf]

Stop all this Alf
its just a Mask you put on.


Thats not a problem.It's just a yellow star.

[Alf]

Stop all this Alf
its just a Mask you put on.


Thats not a problem.They made this video about you.


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[arista]

It's just a yellow star.


No Way.

Its not a problem


https://c.yell.com/t_bigSquare,f_auto/77d7670e-b4e4-4cf0-b375-ce061f2d50bc_image_jpeg.jpg

[bots]

You're right, it's about the same minor inconvenience to person as the Jews being made to wear a Yellow star. Although wearing a mask is maybe a bit worse because it halts you a bit from breathing fresh air.

bring up the nazis ... comparing it to that is the typical conspiracy theorist response .... there is no remote comparison between wearing a mask and what the jews suffered in ww2

[arista]

"They made this video about you. "

Again we are in the UK

Not USA

[Alf]

"They made this video about you. "

Again we are in the UK

Not USAWhat does that have to do with it?

[AnnieK]

You're right, it's about the same minor inconvenience to person as the Jews being made to wear a Yellow star. Although wearing a mask is maybe a bit worse because it halts you a bit from breathing fresh air.

If you are sat on a packed bus....there isn't anything fresh about the air you are breathing :laugh:

[Alf]

Here you go then Arista, Calvin is British and laying out the same message.

The point is you saying "it's just"


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[Cherie]

You're right, it's about the same minor inconvenience to person as the Jews being made to wear a Yellow star. Although wearing a mask is maybe a bit worse because it halts you a bit from breathing fresh air.

Slight difference in that it’s mandatory for everyone...:shrug:

If they came out and said only the unvaccinated had to wear a mask you might have a point....everyone is being treated equally ...young and old

[AnnieK]

bring up the nazis ... comparing it to that is the typical conspiracy theorist response .... there is no remote comparison between wearing a mask and what the jews suffered in ww2

Am sure the Holocaust survivors would agree with you there. It's a bit sad that the only argument to putting a piece of cloth over your mouth is likening it to the slaughter of millions of people. Sick, in fact

[Alf]

bring up the nazis ... comparing it to that is the typical conspiracy theorist response .... there is no remote comparison between wearing a mask and what the jews suffered in ww2The Jews didn't suffer immediately, it was gradual. Being made to wear a Yellow star came before they suffered.

[Cherie]

Also you are not breathing in fresh air in a supermarket...or a bus unless you are sat next to he window

[Cherie]

If you are sat on a packed bus....there isn't anything fresh about the air you are breathing :laugh:

Oh snap :laugh:

[arista]

What does that have to do with it?


We in the UK are Not United
with the USA.

[Alf]

Slight difference in that it’s mandatory for everyone...:shrug:

If they came out and said only the unvaccinated had to wear a mask you might have a point....everyone is being treated equally ...young and oldIt's not mandatory for everyone, it's only mandatory for those that comply with tyranny born out of fear.

[bots]

alf's conspiracy sites are mostly usa based, so .......

[arista]

alf's conspiracy sites are mostly usa based, so .......



Yes its Crazy

[Alf]

alf's conspiracy sites are mostly usa based, so .......The only sites I go on are Twitter, YouTube, Rugby league forum and here, mainly here. This forum is by far the most extreme place I visit.

This place is largely British. Twitter and YouTube are Worldwide. Would you like me to apologise for people of the USA using Twitter and YouTube?

[Alf]

Yes its Crazy"It's just" the Internet.

[Alf]

alf's conspiracy sites are mostly usa based, so .......The irony in that post is lost on you.

The fact you think I have conspiracy sites is just you being a conspiracy theorist.

To you I am a second class citizen for not complying with tyranny born out of fear. And my opinion should be shut down. I'm not worthy of an opinion to you.

[bots]

Dr Angelique Coetzee, the South African doctor who first spotted the new Covid variant Omicron, says the patients seen so far have had "extremely mild symptoms" - but more time is needed before we know the seriousness of the disease for vulnerable people.

[Alf]

Dr Angelique Coetzee, the South African doctor who first spotted the new Covid variant Omicron, says the patients seen so far have had "extremely mild symptoms" - but more time is needed before we know the seriousness of the disease for vulnerable people.Keep it British. Nobody cares what South Africans think, they're just conspiracy theorists.

[Alf]

13 New African Botswana Omicron Cases
announced by the Dutch Health Authority
from that flight.
SkyNewsHD Live


And from CNN HD Live

Italy confirms First Case of Omicron Variant Covid
from a traveller from Mozambique.What's that got to do with us? We're British, keep it British.

[Alf]

Hypocrites everywhere!

[bots]

i've executed my executive privilege with your posts alf, so carry on as you like

[arista]

What's that got to do with us? We're British, keep it British.

No Alf
we have posters that
go to Europe.


Stop being silly.

[Alf]

i've executed my executive privilege with your posts alf, so carry on as you likeThank you for allowing me to have an opinion, Master. it's very kind of you for allowing me to do so.

[Alf]

No Alf
we have posters that
go to Europe.


Stop being silly.No, you got caught out being a massive hypocrite and now you're making excuses for that.

[Vanessa]

I don't see it as a problem. Vaccines can be modified to fight off the new variants.

[Nicky91]

yes arista, so far 13 omicron cases from those 61 suspicious cases from south africa flight, might turn out to be more but we will have to wait until full test results are there

Netherlands todays numbers

22.193 new cases

2.642 total hospitalisations, 230 new patients (124 less than yesterday) on nursing wards

551 total on ICU's/ventilators, 46 new patients (5 less than yesterday) on ICU's

45 new deaths

[Alf]

Just been to my local supermarket, walked in without a mask, nobody said anything. Probably over 90% of shoppers in there were also maskless. I got to the till and the lady serving was also maskless.

Oh no! The World is going to end. Quick, panic!

[AnnieK]

Just been to my local supermarket, walked in without a mask, nobody said anything. Probably over 90% of shoppers in there were also maskless. I got to the till and the lady serving was also maskless.

Oh no! The World is going to end. Quick, panic!

It's not mandatory until Tuesday. I am sure you will see a difference then as the majority will want to keep themselves and others safer

[Alf]

Just watching the darts. A packed crowd there, many times more people there than you'd get in a supermarket or on a bus and all closer together, not a mask in sight.

What's so special about shops and transport that is different to clubs, sporting venues, work places ect?

You want to wear a mask? then nobody is stopping you, but please leave the rest of us alone to do what we want to do. Your demands of us are bullying and authoritarian.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Conclusion
Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as
source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use
materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most
infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or
no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing
transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask
usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community
transmission.

When used in conjunction with widespread testing, contact tracing,
quarantining of anyone that may be infected, hand washing, and physical
distancing, face masks are a valuable tool to reduce community
transmission.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

[Alf]

It's not mandatory until Tuesday. I am sure you will see a difference then as the majority will want to keep themselves and others saferSafer from what? The big scarey invisible monster that we've lived with for almost 2 years now?

You told us the vaccines would keep you safer. That now turns out that you were lying about that. You've moved the goalposts so far they've gone from Old Trafford to South Africa.

[AnnieK]

Safer from what? The big scarey invisible monster that we've lived with for almost 2 years now?

You told us the vaccines would keep you safer. That now turns out that you were lying about that. You've moved the goalposts so far they've gone from Old Trafford to South Africa.

I didn't tell you anything.

I've made informed choices for myself based on scientific data. You can shout, stamp your feet and pontificate all you want. Personally, I don't give a **** who is wearing a mask or who is vaccinated, I try to avoid people anyway so as long as I have done all I can to protect me and my loved ones, by wearing a mask that is proven to reduce the risk of transmission and by being vaccinated that has been proven to reduce the risk of serious illness and death....everyone else can knock themselves out with whatever they want to do.

[Zizu]

I don't see it as a problem. Vaccines can be modified to fight off the new variants.


How long before we have 60 million available though


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[Alf]

I didn't tell you anything.

I've made informed choices for myself based on scientific data. You can shout, stamp your feet and pontificate all you want. Personally, I don't give a **** who is wearing a mask or who is vaccinated, I try to avoid people anyway so as long as I have done all I can to protect me and my loved ones, by wearing a mask that is proven to reduce the risk of transmission and by being vaccinated that has been proven to reduce the risk of serious illness and death....everyone else can knock themselves out with whatever they want to do.The scientific data brought to you by Matt Hancock, who got caught snogging another woman during the height of the pandemic. He really believed in the data.

[AnnieK]

The scientific data brought to you by Matt Hancock, who got caught snogging another woman during the height of the pandemic. He really believed in the data.

Nope. He read out the data....actual scientists who have studied epidemiology for years have produced the data....I would rather believe them than Twitter MDs

[MTVN]

I'm sure masks can help reduce transmission but I think the effect is tiny and makes little difference in the grand scheme of things given that everything else is basically back to normal. The argument for wearing them mainly seems to be that it's a measure you can take pretty easily without being a big imposition on people's lives. But for me it's about are we committed to returning to normality or not. Everyone wandering around with masks on is a depressing sight, they're a nuisance to wear and they hinder human interaction. If you work in a role that requires you to wear one all day its even more of a pain

[MTVN]

Cases in the UK fell again today from last week btw

[Zizu]

Cases in the UK fell again today from last week btw


That’s promising although the SA variant hasn’t got a foothold yet ...


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[bots]

if omicron is more infectious than delta but less lethal, then its a good thing. Early indications are that its less lethal

[Alf]

I'm running a sweepstake on what the next variant will be called.

At the moment you're probably all thinking that there won't be another one, but I'm sure you'll accept it when it arrives.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm sure masks can help reduce transmission but I think the effect is tiny and makes little difference in the grand scheme of things given that everything else is basically back to normal. The argument for wearing them mainly seems to be that it's a measure you can take pretty easily without being a big imposition on people's lives. But for me it's about are we committed to returning to normality or not. Everyone wandering around with masks on is a depressing sight, they're a nuisance to wear and they hinder human interaction. If you work in a role that requires you to wear one all day its even more of a pain

well my Harris Tweed one matches my hat and my new Fife Country Field pro winter coat so im wearing mine

its a look

:hmph:

[arista]

I don't see it as a problem. Vaccines can be modified to fight off the new variants.


Yes Moderna has started on that.


In 6 months time


They can have any ready
All the Manufactures

[arista]

The South African President
is thanking his public there, that have had Vaccines.


He is live on the 2 News Channels.

[arista]

Cases in the UK fell again today from last week btw


Hang on
they always do on a Sunday

We reached 50,000+ infections on Friday

[arista]

Sunday 28/11/21

51 have Died
37,681 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,633

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
925


144,775 Have Caught Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

English Secondary Schools
have now been told Masks to be worn in Communal areas


And PCR tests
are needed in Brentwood, Essex.
For any that went into Fast Food
or Church
As a 3rd Omicron Covid Variant founds in the UK.


Ch4HDnews.

[Vanessa]

I think we're doing well. The booster is helping, I think.

[arista]

I think we're doing well. The booster is helping, I think.


Yes, please but be fair
the 5million refusing to be vaccinated
can create another UK Variant.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
showed a Shocking State of Covid now in Syria

The Medical team collected a 62 year old dead man from Covid-19
but could not stop relatives kissing his face (a tradition)
thus possible getting infected

They burn their PPE used that day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes
but the 5million refusing to be vaccinated
can create another UK Variant.

Boris knows this country wont accept another useless kick can down the road lockdown

so we live with this or NOWT

[MTVN]

Hang on
they always do on a Sunday

We reached 50,000+ infections on Friday

Yes but I'm comparing to last Sunday silly

[arista]

Yes but I'm comparing to last Sunday silly


Yes but Sundays are all lower

[Cherie]

Yes but Sundays are all lower

But comparing Sunday to Sunday is a good gauge

[Vanessa]

I agree we have to learn to live with it.
And so far it's actually going rather well.

[Cherie]

Sunday 21/11/21

61 have Died
40,004 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital - Not Updated since Friday 19/11/21

Patients in ventilation beds - Not Updated since Friday 19/11/21


143,927 UK Total Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Sunday 28/11/21

51 have Died
37,681 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,633

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
925


144,775 Have Caught Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[arista]

But comparing Sunday to Sunday is a good gauge


Easy way to avoid the Big Data
on Friday above 50,000 infected


That effects us all down the road.

[Alf]

What are the symptoms for Omicrom? Are they the same as the other varients or different?

[arista]

What are the symptoms for Omicrom? Are they the same as the other varients or different?


We will find out in 2 weeks

[Alf]

If the unvaxed can't travel, then this new varient must have been brought in by the vaxed, yes?

[Cherie]

If the unvaxed can't travel, then this new varient must have been brought in by the vaxed, yes?

Eh? They can travel, they have to provide proof of a negative test ..must be a black market in negative tests in some countries...if 16 came through to Holland from SA we need to ask how they got on a flight

[Mystic Mock]

Eh? They can travel, they have to provide proof of a negative test ..must be a black market in negative tests in some countries...if 16 came through to Holland from SA we need to ask how they got on a flight

This.

[arista]

If the unvaxed can't travel, then this new varient must have been brought in by the vaxed, yes?


Proof of a Test
allows you travel

As Cherie
has helped you out
in her great post.

[Alf]

Proof of a Test
allows you travel

As Cherie
has helped you out
in her great post.So are the tests faulty again then?

[arista]

So are the tests faulty again then?

Take 2 tests to be sure

[user104658]

Well done Colombo. You worked it out again.

The point of my post was there was no point to it, I was just mentioning that Moronic was an anagram of the new varient, because yes, I'd seen it on Twitter. Your reaction to that was the strange part. It seemed to trigger a reaction in you that you needed to respond with a personal attack on me.

So I asked you the reason for that sudden outburst towards me, my guess was that it was because I was mocking your new cult religion, but as usual you avoided that question. Seriously, think hard about what brought out that reaction in you from something so minute which meant nothing.


Alf I’m afraid you’ve massively over-estimated how much of my time and energy I spend on your posts, and on thinking about Covid for that matter :joker:. I find your posts mildly irksome because they’re just copy and paste spam from Twitter or YouTube. It’s not a big deal, and I really don’t care much, but :shrug: it’s a forum for sharing opinions. I think most of these conspiracy theories are daft. I’m allowed to say so :umm2:.

[arista]

[COVID-19: British Airways suspends Hong Kong flights
as crew forced to quarantine
after one member tests positive for coronavirus
The airline apologises to customers for the disruption
to their travel plans and is said to be
supporting staff now having to quarantine
in the former British territory.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-british-airways-suspends-hong-kong-flights-after-crew-member-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-12481167

[Zizu]

What are the symptoms for Omicrom? Are they the same as the other varients or different?


My friends seem to think it’s more easily spread but less causes serious effects / illness .

I don’t know how they can be sure of that though ...maybe just trying to ease my mind somewhat.


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[AnnieK]

A friend of a friend was in Jamaica in the summer. They went for their return PCR test which came back positive, they paid the doc off and he stamoed their certificate thing as negative. Whatever they paid was more than he got in a year....Now, I don't know this person but if true then they won't be the only people who have done it so its no wonder.it spreads so easy

[Cherie]

A friend of a friend was in Jamaica in the summer. They went for their return PCR test which came back positive, they paid the doc off and he stamoed their certificate thing as negative. Whatever they paid was more than he got in a year....Now, I don't know this person but if true then they won't be the only people who have done it so its no wonder.it spreads so easy

That is definitely happening....

[Zizu]

A friend of a friend was in Jamaica in the summer. They went for their return PCR test which came back positive, they paid the doc off and he stamoed their certificate thing as negative. Whatever they paid was more than he got in a year....Now, I don't know this person but if true then they won't be the only people who have done it so its no wonder.it spreads so easy


Well in theory they could well have needless /innocent deaths on their hands


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[arista]

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[arista]

6 New Cases of Omicron in Scotland

Making the UK total as 9
at this time


GMBHD itv.

[bots]

6 New Cases of Omicron in Scotland

Making the UK total as 9
at this time


GMBHD itv.

the mandatory masks in Scotland are sure helping a lot :skull:

[user104658]

the mandatory masks in Scotland are sure helping a lot :skull:


It will be widespread across the UK as you well know, means very little where they’re being picked up.

[Nicky91]

South african president wants the travel bans from the US, UK, EU to be no more for economic and political reasons

:idc:


not a good idea, i agree with Dr Fauci, best to keep those travel bans intact until we know more, in a couple of weeks after more test results come in at WHO

[Alf]

6 New Cases of Omicron in Scotland

Making the UK total as 9
at this time


GMBHD itv.9? Well that's definitely worth forcing people to have to put a muzzle on.

Let us know when we reach 9 million and then I may consider that they have a point.

[Strictly Jake]

9? Well that's definitely worth forcing people to have to put a muzzle on.

Let us know when we reach 9 million and then I may consider that they have a point.

When the first strain started there were only a couple of cases. Only took 2 weeks before it was a huge amount of cases. They are putting precautions in place so that hopefully it would stay as low as 9!

[Alf]

When the first strain started there were only a couple of cases. Only took 2 weeks before it was a huge amount of cases. They are putting precautions in place so that hopefully it would stay as low as 9!Yeah, that was bull**** as well.

[Alf]

Not the sort of science the cultists want to hear. Not enough fear mongering.


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[arista]

Yes Alf
Mild in Young Folks/

[Alf]

Dan Wooton will be asking that question on his show tonight.


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[Nicky91]

Dan Wooten will be asking that question on his show tonight.


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evidence which might still come?

investigation by WHO at this omicron variant is not complete yet

[Alf]

evidence which might still come?

investigation by WHO at this omicron variant is not complete yetThat's like people getting paid their wages in advance before doing any work.

I'll pay you now, because you might turn up and do the work.

[Cherie]

its a case of damned if they do, and damned if they don't, I think it is sensible to take precautions while we don't know anything about the disease, each country is responsible for their own citizens, and while the news out of SA seems positive, we have to do our own due diligence.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
and BBCnewsnightHD

are better Alf.

[user104658]

I do actually agree that the reaction to this new variant is odd, purely because it's not evidence-based - we don't actually know anything about it and how it differs to other variants, other than theory. An awful lot of people declaring doom based on ... a lot of "mights" and "maybes".

[bots]

I do actually agree that the reaction to this new variant is odd, purely because it's not evidence-based - we don't actually know anything about it and how it differs to other variants, other than theory. An awful lot of people declaring doom based on ... a lot of "mights" and "maybes".

the media want a sensational story with the "will christmas be saved" crap that they pulled last year.

As i said earlier in this thread, if omicron proves to produce next to no nasty symptoms, then the best thing we can do is get as many people infected as possible to build up immunity. So all this panic may actually be counter productive .... time will tell

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: care homes deaths because of covid is back to where it first was at its peak of second wave last year

out of vaccinated elderly in those care homes, 22% dies after a covid infection


970 care homes in the last 4 weeks there have been positive covid tests


in most locations as of today the first care home elderly will get their booster jab

[Alf]

its a case of damned if they do, and damned if they don't, I think it is sensible to take precautions while we don't know anything about the disease, each country is responsible for their own citizens, and while the news out of SA seems positive, we have to do our own due diligence.But nobody is stopping anyone from taking their own precautions, the problem comes from making everyone have to take them. Some people would prefer to live their lives. Some people don't want to lose money by having to turn away custom. Some people are just not that fearful.

[Nicky91]

But nobody is stopping anyone from taking their own precautions, the problem comes from making everyone have to take them. Some people would prefer to live their lives. Some people don't want to lose money by having to turn away custom. Some people are just not that fearful.

well Alf

if people were taking their own precautions, thinking themselves of wearing a face masks

then the government does not have to force these measures onto anyone


and it shouldn't be seen as taking people's freedoms away but it should be seen as wanting to keep everyone safe

[Alf]

well Alf

if people were taking their own precautions, thinking themselves of wearing a face masks

then the government does not have to force these measures onto anyone


and it shouldn't be seen as taking people's freedoms away but it should be seen as wanting to keep everyone safeIf you want to keep everyone safe. OK then. Get rid of all food that is bad for you everything with sugar in, all take-aways, all burger joints, all coffee shops, all alcohol. Get rid of all transport. I could go on, but you get the point. There's more chance of people under pensioner age dying from being struck by lightning than dying with these virus's.

[Cherie]

But nobody is stopping anyone from taking their own precautions, the problem comes from making everyone have to take them. Some people would prefer to live their lives. Some people don't want to lose money by having to turn away custom. Some people are just not that fearful.

I am not stopping anyone, I tailor the guidance to suit myself, I am not fearful, in fact I am off to Spain hopefully just after Christmas, not sure where you are getting this idea that everyone is living in fear :laugh:

[Cherie]

Also you know as well as I do Alf you wont be forced to wear a mask, if you tell the bus driver you are exempt on you will get, you wont be challenged

[Alf]

I am not stopping anyone, I tailor the guidance to suit myself, I am not fearful, in fact I am off to Spain hopefully just after Christmas, not sure where you are getting this idea that everyone is living in fear :laugh:It's lengths people have gone to for a virus with an over 99% recovery rate that makes me think people are living in fear.

[user104658]

It's lengths people have gone to for a virus with an over 99% recovery rate that makes me think people are living in fear.

You talk a lot about fear Alf but it often seems to me that it's all just different types of fear. Yes there are people who are over-the-top fearful of Covid and live in fear of it ... but honestly, likewise there are people who are clearly also living in fear - of the restrictions (and vaccines, etc.) - in a really over-the-top way. Seems quite clear that those people are also scared. Just of something else :shrug:. Lots of fear going around. Not enough people just moderately and accurately assessing the situation for what it is.

[Alf]

You talk a lot about fear Alf but it often seems to me that it's all just different types of fear. Yes there are people who are over-the-top fearful of Covid and live in fear of it ... but honestly, likewise there are people who are clearly also living in fear - of the restrictions (and vaccines, etc.) - in a really over-the-top way. Seems quite clear that those people are also scared. Just of something else :shrug:. Lots of fear going around. Not enough people just moderately and accurately assessing the situation for what it is.Most definitely. I'm certainly fearful of where this is leading to.

[bots]

i don't think there is enough discussion on the effect the last 2 years has had on mental health, and the implications of it will go on for decades.

Fear is very real and it has been perpetuated and exacerbated by the media. The world needs to be weaned off from this fear ... whatever the manifestation of it is. It's the single most important aspect and also the aspect least discussed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so id imagine this new strain is compliments of Cop 26?

[user104658]

i don't think there is enough discussion on the effect the last 2 years has had on mental health, and the implications of it will go on for decades.

Fear is very real and it has been perpetuated and exacerbated by the media. The world needs to be weaned off from this fear ... whatever the manifestation of it is. It's the single most important aspect and also the aspect least discussed.

That would be my concern too. I'm not going to pretend that the knock-on effects from Covid and how it's been handled aren't huge and won't continue to be devastating. Mental health services are already run off their feet and it's only going to get worse. The backlog of non-covid medical procedures is absolutely INSANE at this point - I probably have permanent damage to my foot that could have been avoided if I'd been triaged properly and seen promptly when I injured it, instead of getting a diagnosis nearly 4 months later (far too late for the immediate intervention that would have been needed for the best outcome). Also my daughter has issues with her ear and has just got her ENT appointment through this week. ... ... we were referred in November 2019! 2 years ago! And obviously a myriad of other examples of the damage done to healthcare, the economy, society in general etc.

I guess where I differ from Alf is that I think all of this damage has been done because no one knows what they're doing and everyone including the experts have just been running around flailing their arms and trying to look like they're in control of the situation. I think it's 95% incompetence... whereas a lot of the "theories" that go around about it try to suggest that it's all deliberate and there are sinister people out there with grand master plans for all of us. I just don't think that's the case. There are selfish, greedy people (politicians, corporations, etc.) muddling through and looking out for their own arses first and foremost. The level of dedication and organisation that would be required for it to be some huge illuminati plot ... ... I just don't see that anywhere. I find that almost scarier to be honest. That it isn't "bad people who know exactly what they're doing". It's just that absolutely NO ONE has any idea what they're doing. That has become abundantly clear over the last few years. The world has clearly always just been "muddling through" and getting by on a wish and a prayer ... no one knows what they're doing, no one is in charge, everyone is ****ing winging it.

That is terrifying.

[arista]

[COVID-19: Community transmission suspected as
UK Omicron cases detected with no travel history
Some of the cases in Scotland
are thought to have no known travel history,
suggesting they could have been transmitted
within the country.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-six-omicron-variant-cases-detected-in-scotland-authorities-say-12482070

[Alf]

That would be my concern too. I'm not going to pretend that the knock-on effects from Covid and how it's been handled aren't huge and won't continue to be devastating. Mental health services are already run off their feet and it's only going to get worse. The backlog of non-covid medical procedures is absolutely INSANE at this point - I probably have permanent damage to my foot that could have been avoided if I'd been triaged properly and seen promptly when I injured it, instead of getting a diagnosis nearly 4 months later (far too late for the immediate intervention that would have been needed for the best outcome). Also my daughter has issues with her ear and has just got her ENT appointment through this week. ... ... we were referred in November 2019! 2 years ago! And obviously a myriad of other examples of the damage done to healthcare, the economy, society in general etc.

I guess where I differ from Alf is that I think all of this damage has been done because no one knows what they're doing and everyone including the experts have just been running around flailing their arms and trying to look like they're in control of the situation. I think it's 95% incompetence... whereas a lot of the "theories" that go around about it try to suggest that it's all deliberate and there are sinister people out there with grand master plans for all of us. I just don't think that's the case. There are selfish, greedy people (politicians, corporations, etc.) muddling through and looking out for their own arses first and foremost. The level of dedication and organisation that would be required for it to be some huge illuminati plot ... ... I just don't see that anywhere. I find that almost scarier to be honest. That it isn't "bad people who know exactly what they're doing". It's just that absolutely NO ONE has any idea what they're doing. That has become abundantly clear over the last few years. The world has clearly always just been "muddling through" and getting by on a wish and a prayer ... no one knows what they're doing, no one is in charge, everyone is ****ing winging it.

That is terrifying.Keep an eye on news about China.

[user104658]

Keep an eye on news about China.

I think China have plenty of sinister motivations and some worrying intentions but what stops me from entering panic mode about China is that something would have to change incredibly dramatically for it to be an actual active risk in The West. Why? Because they have been very clear for decades about wanting Taiwan back under direct control of China, and the same with Hong Kong, and thus far they have been unable to make that happen with Taiwan and whilst they now technically have control of Hong Kong, the day-to-day reality is that life in Hong Kong remains extremely westernised and doesn't even come close to resembling life in most Chinese cities... and that doesn't look to be changing any time soon.

So if they haven't managed to make a power grab on these things, that are right on their doorstep, have basically zero relative power, and they've been openly seeking for many many years ... I find it extremely unlikely that they're suddenly going to achieve world conquest. They have far too many issues domestically to even begin. They are massively reliant on other nations for food and even water supplies for example. This is why they're always been content to let Taiwan continue self governance whislt insisting that it isn't a real country. They COULD take it by force - it's not in their best interests when they can just say "It's still part of China so there.". They can't realistically expand their borders at all let alone start marching west.

[Alf]

i don't think there is enough discussion on the effect the last 2 years has had on mental health, and the implications of it will go on for decades.

Fear is very real and it has been perpetuated and exacerbated by the media. The world needs to be weaned off from this fear ... whatever the manifestation of it is. It's the single most important aspect and also the aspect least discussed.Denise is someone from the celebrity scene who raises discussion on this fairly regularly.


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[Cherie]

Denise is someone from the celebrity scene who raises discussion on this fairly regularly.


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sorry but this seems completely OTT

plus she want PCR tests on day 2 and day 8 :skull: if they have to isolate anyway why the need to PCR on day 2?

[Oliver_W]

sorry but this seems completely OTT

plus she want PCR tests on day 2 and day 8 :skull: if they have to isolate anyway why the need to PCR on day 2?

Not quite as bad as Australia, whose knee was (is?) firmly pressed down on its people's knecks, but still way overboard.

[arista]

3PM Van Tam Covid News Conference
Downing St.

Then 3:30PM
Health Secretary in Parliament.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays hospitalisation and ICU total numbers (new cases bit delayed)

2.772 total hospitalisations (increase of 130 new patients, highest increase since January 4th)

563 total on ICU's/ventilators (increase of 12 new patients)

[bots]

3PM Van Tam Covid News Conference
Downing St.

Then 3:30PM
Health Secretary in Parliament.

is that going to be opening up the booster to over 30's?

[arista]

is that going to be opening up the booster to over 30's?


Yes could be

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

Dezzy must have the age demographic of all the unvaccinated to make such a bold claim..

Can you post link to your findings please dezzy

[arista]

Live on all 3 News Channels.

[Professor Jonathan Van-Tam
is appearing alongside Professor Wei Shen Lim,
from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immnunisation (JCVI),
and Dr June Raine, the chief executive of the
Medicines and Healthcare product Regulatory Agency (MHRA).]

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

all adults as vaccine advisers
announce rollout expansion to combat Omicron variant]

[Those aged 18 to 39 will be offered a booster,
which will follow the same priority order
as the primary immunisation.]


Sky News text Feed



[Children aged 12-15 will also get a second vaccine dose,
at least three months after the first jab.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-boris-johnson-orders-return-of-face-masks-and-self-isolation-for-some-as-australia-detects-first-cases-of-omicron-variant-12469075

[arista]

[Variants have always been inevitable, Van-Tam says
Professor Jonathan Van-Tam says variants have
always been "inevitable" and
we've seen "many" variants come.

He describes Omicron as
"the new kid on the block for now",
adding: "And it's true to say scientists around
the world unfortunately agree this one
is of increased concern."

He says it has many mutations – and the
number present "already on first principles
makes us worry about a possible effect
on vaccine effectiveness".
South Africa has an "elevated growth rate", he says.
He continues: "As the case numbers grow,
then hospitalisations will also grow."]

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/29/09/51093331-0-image-a-13_1638179586571.jpg

[arista]

2 More Omicron Cases
Located in London.

Camden and Wandsworth

5 cases in England
6 cases in Scotland


11 In Total now in the UK

[arista]

The Major problem Omicron
is it spreads much faster.


Ch4HDnews

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ben discusses the OMICRON thing and debunks the PANIK FEARMONGERING

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[Alf]

The Major problem Omicron
is it spreads much faster.


Ch4HDnewsI thought it might do. Any more fear propaganda on this?

[Alf]

Omicron can kiss my ass. It's about as scary as a French fancy.

[arista]

I thought it might do. Any more fear propaganda on this?


Its Not Fear
it's now Fact.

[Alf]

Its Not Fear
it's now Fact.Yeah, cause it is.

And a driverless car drove through a crowd of people at a Christmas parade.

And Jeffery Epstein killed himself.

And there were weapons of mass destruction.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its Not Fear
it's now Fact.

and the facts from SA is its mild and not a concern?

unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

[arista]

and the facts from SA is its mild and not a concern?

unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?



But that only on the young
in SA.

It spreads much faster.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But that only on the young
in SA.

It spreads much faster.

yes as all new variants at this stage are more transmissible but a lot, lot less deadly

standard science

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/29/09/51093331-0-image-a-13_1638179586571.jpg


Kinda widespread yet massive areas in between..


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[Zizu]

The Major problem Omicron
is it spreads much faster.


Ch4HDnews


Plus probably far more resistant to the current vaccines ??

That alone should be a major concern, surely ?
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[arista]

Monday 29/11/21

35 have Died
42,583 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,530

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
925



144,810 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Monday 22/11/21

45 have Died
44,917 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,024

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
911

143,972 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Last Monday’s for comparison ..



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[user104658]

Kinda widespread yet massive areas in between..


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It’s been detected pretty much everywhere that does the sort of random testing that detects variants. Standard Covid tests DO NOT detect which variant you have so all of the “6 cases here, 5 cases there” is nonsense. If it’s been picked up in a country, it’s in that country and active.

It’s showing up in all the “heavy testing” countries.

It’s safe to assume it’s widespread across the whole globe.

It just happened to be SA that identified the strain first.

[Zizu]

It’s been detected pretty much everywhere that does the sort of random testing that detects variants. Standard Covid tests DO NOT detect which variant you have so all of the “6 cases here, 5 cases there” is nonsense. If it’s been picked up in a country, it’s in that country and active.

It’s showing up in all the “heavy testing” countries.

It’s safe to assume it’s widespread across the whole globe.

It just happened to be SA that identified the strain first.


Fair assessment


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[Oliver_W]

Kinda widespread yet massive areas in between..


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To be fair, the Earth is a sphere :joker: there's "just" the ocean between Canada and Australia, and both and the other reds.

[Zizu]

To be fair, the Earth is a sphere :joker: there's "just" the ocean between Canada and Australia, and both and the other reds.



I think we all know that Russia isn’t quite as far away from the USA as it looks on there :)


I was referring to all the WHITE areas though as mentioned it’s probably down to the amount of actual testing being done in the various areas


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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully we can get this variant under control.

[Alf]

Headlines are another "take your medicine, Peasants" push.

Sorry, but the people are gonna ride this one out, they're waiting for you to show your hand and true colours and waiting for you to force medical injections on free people. The facists/communists will be exposed.

[arista]

NewsnightHD bbc2
Had the Education Joint Union Man Kevin Courtney
and GP Dr Ellie,
he wants what Scotland and Wales have done
as the Covid cases, in England at schools are going up.
Especially in Secondary Schools.

[bots]

Has there been a single reported death from Omicron across the world yet? Isn't that the question that needs asking

If it's highly infectious and it beats the vaccine like we are being told, shouldn't people be dying in their hundreds?

[Alf]

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[Beso]

Take your concern trolling to someone who cares.

So you dont have links to back your claim up, so resorted to the childish name calling again.

[Alf]

The Dictator of New Zealand is feeling kind for once to her peasants and gives her permission to them to share a house with friends and even use the same bog. Isn't she just the sweetest.

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[Beso]

All older adults, (perhaps some may call them the boomers) are wearing their masks on the bus as instructed. Only 5 percent of under 25s are following suit...

[user104658]

I mean I do have to admit, “PM gives citizens permission to use bathroom inside friends homes” is quite an unfathomable sentence if you go back 2 years. Not even just dystopian… like a parody of something dystopian.

How would a fiction author write a future dystopia if they were writing a novel now? The truth seems too far fetched.

[user104658]

All older adults, (perhaps some may call them the boomers) are wearing their masks on the bus as instructed. Only 5 percent of under 25s are following suit...


I mean the sad reality of that is that older adults are at tangible risk from Covid whereas 25 year olds, realistically, are not. It’s a mild illness in the VAST majority. And people are selfish.

[user104658]

Interestingly, quite a few rolls I know have had Covid recently. Two workmates had it a couple of months ago (both are fine but have ongoing sense of smell issues), a friend’s dad just tested positive, and another friend of mine has just come out of a 10 day Covid isolation. He’s type 1 diabetic but his symptoms were very mild - one day feeling a bit rough, the following day tired, then completely fine. Was working from home from his spare room. Could be purely down to chance, or… could be that there’s some truth in the idea that there’s a milder strain going around now? He said it was barely a sniffle and literally less than 48h, and that’s with an underlying condition and not THAT young (he’s my age, so not ancient, but certainly not a teenager).

[bots]

I mean I do have to admit, “PM gives citizens permission to use bathroom inside friends homes” is quite an unfathomable sentence if you go back 2 years. Not even just dystopian… like a parody of something dystopian.

How would a fiction author write a future dystopia if they were writing a novel now? The truth seems too far fetched.

it comes down to enforcement. A law is meaningless if it can't be enforced. If you remember back to us last year ... you can have n people at dinner maximum, including children. Unenforceable. In cyprus, they have drink driving laws, but the police help staggering drunks into their cars at closing time.

Having a law where you can't use the bathroom in a friends home is just beyond stupid

All of these things, including masks, should always be guidance because you are never going to force those who don't want to comply to obey

[bots]

Interestingly, quite a few rolls I know have had Covid recently. Two workmates had it a couple of months ago (both are fine but have ongoing sense of smell issues), a friend’s dad just tested positive, and another friend of mine has just come out of a 10 day Covid isolation. He’s type 1 diabetic but his symptoms were very mild - one day feeling a bit rough, the following day tired, then completely fine. Was working from home from his spare room. Could be purely down to chance, or… could be that there’s some truth in the idea that there’s a milder strain going around now? He said it was barely a sniffle and literally less than 48h, and that’s with an underlying condition and not THAT young (he’s my age, so not ancient, but certainly not a teenager).

my brother is still not 100% after several weeks, but he never had symptoms other than feeling rough. I heard of 8 people getting it in 1 week after not hearing about any in months and none ended up seriously unwell. I said a few pages ago that i thought a new variant was doing the rounds and everyone went yeah right bots :laugh:

[Alf]

Your leader is a bit of a fibber, Nicky. He also likes to use the "it's a conspiracy theory" tactic to shut down debate.


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[Alf]

We're currently in what would usually be a flu season, so do you have the flu numbers data, Arista? How do they match up against the numbers of the past 10 years, are there any strange anomalies?

Didn't the flu disappear
this time last year?

[Cherie]

Coming back to lockdown and control, dont you think Goverments would be using this new mutant to lock us down again if that was the aim Alf? We have moved forward so much since March 2020 when we couldn't sit on a park bench, as more and more is learned about the virus, doesn't that sound like progress to you or no?

[Alf]

Coming back to lockdown and control, dont you think Goverments would be using this new mutant to lock us down again if that was the aim Alf? We have moved forward so much since March 2020 when we couldn't sit on a park bench, as more and more is learned about the virus, doesn't that sound like progress to you or no?No. Progress will be when they all stand trial for crimes against humanity.

Do you think it's progress for business owners who are gonna lose so much that they go out of business because people will just not shop in their shops at the busiest time of the year?

Amazon will be rubbing their hands with £ signs in their eyes, while the little people will be on the way to the gutter. But who cares as long as you're under the illusion that the government is keeping you safe?

[Nicky91]

No. Progress will be when they all stand trial for crimes against humanity.

Do you think it's progress for business owners who are gonna lose so much that they go out of business because people will just not shop in their shops at the busiest time of the year?

Amazon will be rubbing their hands with £ signs in their eyes, while the little people will be on the way to the gutter. But who cares as long as you're under the illusion that the government is keeping you safe?

crimes against humanity? :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

[Oliver_W]

No. Progress will be when they all stand trial for crimes against humanity.

Do you think it's progress for business owners who are gonna lose so much that they go out of business because people will just not shop in their shops at the busiest time of the year?

Amazon will be rubbing their hands with £ signs in their eyes, while the little people will be on the way to the gutter. But who cares as long as you're under the illusion that the government is keeping you safe?

Hyperbole aside, the pandemic has been a gift for the fatcats, at the expense of smaller businesses...

[Alf]

Hyperbole aside, the pandemic has been a gift for the fatcats, at the expense of smaller businesses...Millions think that the whole Covid thing is hyperbole. They think just like you do.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands:

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/30/new-covid-measures-wont-scrapped-three-weeks-kuipers-says

The package of stricter coronavirus restrictions implemented on Sunday will very likely not be scrapped after three weeks, according to Ernst Kuipers, head of the national acute care network LNAZ. The number of Covid-19 patients in hospital is simply too high for that, he said, NU.nl reports.

When announcing the new measures in a press conference on Friday, caretaker Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Health Minister Hugo de Jonge said they would apply for at least three weeks. After that, the Cabinet will examine whether an extension is necessary. Rutte said he hoped the measures would only apply for three weeks so that we could have "a bit of a normal Christmas." But he would not give a clear answer on how realistic that hope was.

According to Kuipers, that hope was not realistic at all. Before the Cabinet can scrap measures, "we should really see a decrease in the number of infections, and that must last for some time," he said. Because the current infections and hospitalizations are at such a high level, that will likely not happen within three weeks. Kuipers noted that the number of Covid patients in the hospital would need to at least halve before measures can be scrapped. That number can be "combined well with regular care."

On Monday, the RIVM reported 48 coronavirus-related hospitalizations, about the same number as last week's daily average. A total of 2,780 Covid-19 patients are currently hospitalized, including 571 in intensive care

[Alf]

It's certainly kept the Maxwell trial down the pecking order in the news cycle.


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Omicron variant one week earlier than thought, in samples taken from tests of November 19th, November 23th


these samples had the same extra ''spike protein'' which made them think it was omicron and now test results have confirmed this


it is uncertain if the people who these samples are from, have been in southern africa

[bots]

i got my invite to get the booster today from the NHS. I booked it a month ago and had it last week, so it's good to see they are on the ball :laugh:

[arista]

Another Live Downing St.
Covid update 4PM today

Prime Minister

[user104658]

i got my invite to get the booster today from the NHS. I booked it a month ago and had it last week, so it's good to see they are on the ball :laugh:

Get another one. Why not? 110% effective, you will actively repel Covid in a 5 metre radius around you.

[Beso]

FAO Dezzy..

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandwellbeing/bulletins/coronavirusandvaccinehesitancygreatbritain/13januaryto7february2021

[user104658]

FAO Dezzy..

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandwellbeing/bulletins/coronavirusandvaccinehesitancygreatbritain/13januaryto7february2021

Props for posting actual stats Parmy. Vaccine hesitancy is definitely skewed heavily towards younger people; the root is really in hyperindividualism/youthful libertarianism (ironically, something that is DEEPLY imbedded in the US-centric cultural "left" at the moment). Young people don't feel at individual physical risk.

I would hazard a guess that opposition to covid measures in general (mask wearing, social distancing, indoor gatherings etc.) is more evenly spread across age groups though.

For the mostpart it's a class/political divide not an age divide.

[Alf]

Hyperbole aside, the pandemic has been a gift for the fatcats, at the expense of smaller businesses...It's done purposely, It's all part of the plan.

They will own everything, including us. We will own nothing. They're actually telling us this themselves. They're so confident in doing so because they know most arne't even listening, and the ones who are just get passed aside as crazy conspiracy theorists, that's how easy it is for them. Don't take my word for it, take their words for it.

They're even making adverts saying "You will own nothing and be happy"

This video is from Sky News Australia a few months back.



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[Cherie]

No. Progress will be when they all stand trial for crimes against humanity.

Do you think it's progress for business owners who are gonna lose so much that they go out of business because people will just not shop in their shops at the busiest time of the year?

Amazon will be rubbing their hands with £ signs in their eyes, while the little people will be on the way to the gutter. But who cares as long as you're under the illusion that the government is keeping you safe?

Have you been the shops lately they are packed

[Alf]

Have you been the shops lately they are packedI thought the mandates only came in today?

[Cherie]

I thought the mandates only came in today?

you think mask wearing is going stop shoppers...lets see

[Alf]

you think mask wearing is going stop shoppers...lets seeI hope not, but I did hear today that Boris has issued threats that anyone caught without one in a shop will receive a £200 fine. Obviously that won't stand up in court, but will be enough to frighten plenty of people who just arne't aware of the law.

[user104658]

It's done purposely, It's all part of the plan.

They will own everything, including us. We will own nothing. They're actually telling us this themselves. They're so confident in doing so because they know most arne't even listening, and the ones who are just get passed aside as crazy conspiracy theorists, that's how easy it is for them. Don't take my word for it, take their words for it.

They're even making adverts saying "You will own nothing and be happy"

This video is from Sky News Australia a few months back.



NcAO4-o_4Ug

Bit complex if you get into this stuff Alf. I don't actually disagree that the pandemic (and climate change, and a few other things) are being used to consolidate wealth in fewer and fewer places. For example - look at the energy company situation in the UK now. All of the small companies have bust, all are pretty much now under the banner of just a few large monopolies. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to observe that certain people/powers are USING these things to their own ends. I just think it's a stretch to suggest that they've invented/fabricated them to do so. They've been opportunistic.

That said... ... it's also not untrue that the human race on its current course is simply not sustainable. World's ****ed. Too many people, resources now exploited to capacity, no wriggle room left.

[Cherie]

Bit complex if you get into this stuff Alf. I don't actually disagree that the pandemic (and climate change, and a few other things) are being used to consolidate wealth in fewer and fewer places. For example - look at the energy company situation in the UK now. All of the small companies have bust, all are pretty much now under the banner of just a few large monopolies. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to observe that certain people/powers are USING these things to their own ends. I just think it's a stretch to suggest that they've invented/fabricated them to do so. They've been opportunistic.

That said... ... it's also not untrue that the human race on its current course is simply not sustainable. World's ****ed. Too many people, resources now exploited to capacity, no wriggle room left.

OR it was released on purpose, I am happy to go with that one

[arista]

Alf Down Under they
are well strict.

Nothing like us.

[Cherie]

I hope not, but I did hear today that Boris has issued threats that anyone caught without one in a shop will receive a £200 fine. Obviously that won't stand up in court, but will be enough to frighten plenty of people who just arne't aware of the law.

who will impose it? no one

you might get the odd one on public transport as they have their own police, but no shop is going to call the police to issue fines

[Oliver_W]

OR it was released on purpose, I am happy to go with that one

I'm surprised there's not more conspiracy theories about it having been developed/released by the Chinese "government" to kill vast swathes of Westerners, or worldwide forces to move more money towards the rich and take more control over the people.

While I'm not saying I believe it, it's certainly plausible that the virus was deliberately created...

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/30/10/51141865-0-image-m-8_1638268390542.jpg


[Health chief warns
'don't socialise before Christmas
unless you need to' and
Sadiq Khan urges Londoners
to 'wear masks in pubs and restaurants'
to tackle Omicron
as Boris prepares to hold
press conference Today.

Dr Jenny Harries warned Omicron could have
a 'significant impact on our hospitals' if
jabs are much weaker
She hinted WFH is already being considered
within No10 and could be the
next measure to be reintroduced
New rules on compulsory face masks
and self-isolation came into effect in
England from 4am this morning
Boris Johnson will hold a
press conference at 4pm this
afternoon to give an update
on the Covid situation]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/30/10/51108043-10257469-image-a-31_1638266699679.jpg

[Zizu]

Interestingly, quite a few rolls I know have had Covid recently. Two workmates had it a couple of months ago (both are fine but have ongoing sense of smell issues), a friend’s dad just tested positive, and another friend of mine has just come out of a 10 day Covid isolation. He’s type 1 diabetic but his symptoms were very mild - one day feeling a bit rough, the following day tired, then completely fine. Was working from home from his spare room. Could be purely down to chance, or… could be that there’s some truth in the idea that there’s a milder strain going around now? He said it was barely a sniffle and literally less than 48h, and that’s with an underlying condition and not THAT young (he’s my age, so not ancient, but certainly not a teenager).


Our neighbours have it as we speak - their son was the first to show symptoms, picked it up at primary school - there were so many cases they closed the school and everyone was ‘advised’ to get a PCR test

.. the lad just had a cough , his sister no symptoms , the mum no symptoms yet the dad who is a healthy and strong 35 yrs old builder has been floored for two weeks - just moving from his bed to a lie down on the sofa and back to bed .

Crazy


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[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/30/10/51141865-0-image-m-8_1638268390542.jpg


[Health chief warns
'don't socialise before Christmas
unless you need to' and
Sadiq Khan urges Londoners
to 'wear masks in pubs and restaurants'
to tackle Omicron
as Boris prepares to hold
press conference Today.

Dr Jenny Harries warned Omicron could have
a 'significant impact on our hospitals' if
jabs are much weaker
She hinted WFH is already being considered
within No10 and could be the
next measure to be reintroduced
New rules on compulsory face masks
and self-isolation came into effect in
England from 4am this morning
Boris Johnson will hold a
press conference at 4pm this
afternoon to give an update
on the Covid situation]

Dont socialise unless you need to :laugh:

[bots]

the biggest money is always generated in crisis. There are always people with no scruples that take advantage. That's how it has always been. People are behaving like it's something new, but it's as old as time

[Beso]

Omicron B is an anagram of No Crimbo.

[Oliver_W]

I'm surprised there's not more conspiracy theories about it having been developed/released by the Chinese "government" to kill vast swathes of Westerners, or worldwide forces to move more money towards the rich and take more control over the people.

While I'm not saying I believe it, it's certainly plausible that the virus was deliberately created...

I mean ... The governments are literally doing everything they can to take advantage of the virus, with power grabs and handing money over to the rich. As BOTS suggests, it's just the governments taking advantage of the situation, but it gives plenty of ammo for conspiracy theorists to say it's beennset up that way...

[user104658]

OR it was released on purpose, I am happy to go with that one

You have to delve quite deep into conspiracy territory there because that (in my opinion) would require a few things to be true:

1) They have (and already had before release) a 100% effective protection/vaccination for it.

2) They have some never-before-seen ability to control or predict potential mutations that would nullify said protections.

3) This advanced virus engineering technology has been developed in complete secret.


I find all three of those to be extremely unlikely, and I also find it extremely unlikely that "the powers that be" would have taken the drastic risk of releasing a virus they have no control over (i.e. one that might affect them personally).

Governments ATTEMPTING to engineer such a thing and having it escape the lab accidentally? Then I can get closer to believing it.

[bots]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/30/10/51141865-0-image-m-8_1638268390542.jpg


[Health chief warns
'don't socialise before Christmas
unless you need to' and
Sadiq Khan urges Londoners
to 'wear masks in pubs and restaurants'
to tackle Omicron
as Boris prepares to hold
press conference Today.

Dr Jenny Harries warned Omicron could have
a 'significant impact on our hospitals' if
jabs are much weaker
She hinted WFH is already being considered
within No10 and could be the
next measure to be reintroduced
New rules on compulsory face masks
and self-isolation came into effect in
England from 4am this morning
Boris Johnson will hold a
press conference at 4pm this
afternoon to give an update
on the Covid situation]


that's all fine and good, but unless the variant does some serious damage or kills people, the infection rate or it's vaccine busting capabilities are irrelevant. It needs the 3 prongs for it to be something to worry about. I'm pretty sure that if anyone had become seriously ill with omicron, it would have been all over the media, and yet it's not. This is a serious question. Has anyone heard a news report saying that anyone with omicron across the whole world has become seriously ill or died, because I haven't

[Oliver_W]

You have to delve quite deep into conspiracy territory there because that (in my opinion) would require a few things to be true:

1) They have (and already had before release) a 100% effective protection/vaccination for it.

2) They have some never-before-seen ability to control or predict potential mutations that would nullify said protections.

3) This advanced virus engineering technology has been developed in complete secret.


I find all three of those to be extremely unlikely, and I also find it extremely unlikely that "the powers that be" would have taken the drastic risk of releasing a virus they have no control over (i.e. one that might affect them personally).

Governments ATTEMPTING to engineer such a thing and having it escape the lab accidentally? Then I can get closer to believing it.

I still find it more likely than the whole thing being fictional tbh :joker:

[Alf]

I've quit my job.

I was gonna quit at Christmas anyway and look for something more close to home, but the mandates have pushed that forward.

I'm now doing nothing until January. I'll go out in the next few days and get all my presents and food I need and then I'm staying in, locking the door and film binging, keeping away from this mad, crazy World.

If I do need to pop out for things such as milk and bread, I'll do it in the corner shop behind my house, a 30 second walk.

[Cherie]

I've quit my job.

I was gonna quit at Christmas anyway and look for something more close to home, but the mandates have pushed that forward.

I'm now doing nothing until January. I'll go out in the next few days and get all my presents and food I need and then I'm staying in, locking the door and film binging, keeping away from this mad, crazy World.

If I do need to pop out for things such as milk and bread, I'll do it in the corner shop behind my house, a 30 second walk.

Fair dues, will you not miss your colleagues, or have you not been there very long?

[Cherie]

I will be socialising and no one is going to stop me, and I think alot of people will feel that same, they can't bring the public along this time like they did before, unless they lockdown, people will be partying

[bots]

I will be socialising and no one is going to stop me, and I think alot of people will feel that same, they can't bring the public along this time like they did before, unless they lockdown, people will be partying

All our squad are getting together in a couple of weeks for an early Christmas. I can't see that being interrupted at this stage

[Alf]

Fair dues, will you not miss your colleagues, or have you not been there very long?Only been there 2 months. It was too long travelling for me, I prefer somewhere closer. It was taking up nearly 3 hours of my day just travelling there and back and over 5 days that's getting on for nearly 15 hours a week which is almost 2 extra shifts.

[Cherie]

Only been there 2 months. It was too long travelling for me, I prefer somewhere closer. It was taking up nearly 3 hours of my day just travelling there and back and over 5 days that's getting on for nearly 15 hours a week which is almost 2 extra shifts.

Oh that is too long tbf

[arista]

The Prime Minister
was outside Lordship Lane
Vaccination centre.

Was on SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD
not live - due to security measures

Saying everyone to get the Booster.


Prime Minister said what Jenny
has said is good advice.
And he is not changing any more rules.

[user104658]

that's all fine and good, but unless the variant does some serious damage or kills people, the infection rate or it's vaccine busting capabilities are irrelevant. It needs the 3 prongs for it to be something to worry about. I'm pretty sure that if anyone had become seriously ill with omicron, it would have been all over the media, and yet it's not. This is a serious question. Has anyone heard a news report saying that anyone with omicron across the whole world has become seriously ill or died, because I haven't

That number won't be zero and the current sad reality is that out emergency services and healthcare systems cannot afford for that number to be anything but zero. It is crumbling. The true extent of how badly it's falling apart isn't really in the mainstream press. It's not just "struggling to cope", it's imploding, it's not going to be able to sustain an adequate level of service for even the most basic of medical care and any additional strain - ANY additional strain - is currently catastrophic.

So it doesn't matter if this is the mildest strain yet... if it's as contagious as they think it might be and 0.001% of those infected need hospital treatment... ... the camel's back is going to snap clean in two.

Sorry guys but that's the current situation :laugh:.

[bots]

im going to start building my bunker in the garden :worry:

[arista]

1465670616107859976

[arista]

COVID-19: Omicron variant 'highly infectious'

Take Note Alf.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-variant-highly-infectious-and-booster-jabs-may-need-double-dose-says-moderna-ceo-12482978

[Oliver_W]

Only been there 2 months. It was too long travelling for me, I prefer somewhere closer. It was taking up nearly 3 hours of my day just travelling there and back and over 5 days that's getting on for nearly 15 hours a week which is almost 2 extra shifts.

Yikes, that's ridiculous!

Feel free to be as vague as you like, or tell me to mind my own, but what's your occupation?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/30/12/article-10257475-51146007-545_964x544.jpg

[Alf]

Yikes, that's ridiculous!

Feel free to be as vague as you like, or tell me to mind my own, but what's your occupation?Supermnarket warehouse picker.

I picked the items out of the warehouse that get sent out to the supermarket. Not one of the big supermarkets, one of the smaller ones, like Iceland but not Iceland

[Alf]

COVID-19: Omicron variant 'highly infectious'

Take Note Alf.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-variant-highly-infectious-and-booster-jabs-may-need-double-dose-says-moderna-ceo-12482978I'm ready and waiting, bring it on. The last 2 varients didn't come anywhere near me. They're scared of me.

[user104658]

COVID-19: Omicron variant 'highly infectious'

Take Note Alf.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-variant-highly-infectious-and-booster-jabs-may-need-double-dose-says-moderna-ceo-12482978

"Both stressed that more data is needed to fully understand whether B.1.1.529 is more contagious or resistant to vaccines."

There's no new info on this link, just to save everyone the time. This poster's misleading message made it seem like something more had been confirmed.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: recap of last week

number of positive covid tests hasn't increased not or barely the last week, it more levelled off and climbed with same amount as the week before

155.000 positive covid tests last week, compared to 154.000 positive tests the week before


RIVM speaks of stable situation, most likely the result from the measures of half November

RIVM also speaks of the R number which already was decreasing in first half of November, at November 8th that number was 1,21 which means 100 people can infect 121 others, on November 15th this number was 1,05 meaning 100 people can infect 105 others

[bots]

Stock markets around the world have fallen after the boss of Moderna cast doubts on the effectiveness of vaccines against the new Omicron Covid variant.

Stephane Bancel told the Financial Times he thought there would be a "material drop" in vaccine efficacy.

The Covid variant was first detected in South Africa, and the symptoms have been mild so far.

But travel restrictions have been imposed as a precaution by places including the UK, the EU and the US.

Mr Bancel predicted that existing vaccines would be less effective in staving off Omicron, and that it would take months for drugs companies to update vaccines.

"There is no world, I think, where [the effectiveness] is the same level," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59426353
----------------------------

it has mild symptoms, so having a vaccine for it is not important. This is just surreal to me, they are all basically talking bollox

[arista]

I'm ready and waiting, bring it on. The last 2 varients didn't come anywhere near me. They're scared of me.


Typical Anti Vax talk.

It can spread fast
take care , Alf.

[arista]

We are Live

Downing St. Johnson Prime Minister
with the Healh Secretary.
And Amanda Pritchard NHS Chief


I hope The Press
ask Better Questions

[Mystic Mock]

Bit complex if you get into this stuff Alf. I don't actually disagree that the pandemic (and climate change, and a few other things) are being used to consolidate wealth in fewer and fewer places. For example - look at the energy company situation in the UK now. All of the small companies have bust, all are pretty much now under the banner of just a few large monopolies. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to observe that certain people/powers are USING these things to their own ends. I just think it's a stretch to suggest that they've invented/fabricated them to do so. They've been opportunistic.

That said... ... it's also not untrue that the human race on its current course is simply not sustainable. World's ****ed. Too many people, resources now exploited to capacity, no wriggle room left.

Here's a conspiracy theory for everyone.

What if the Governments around the world have unleashed Covid on the world to lower the world's population?

Obviously I'm just spitballing here, but it's an interesting theory I think.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD


BBC has the Waving hands

Also
Radio 5
LBC
Times Radio DAB

[Alf]

Apparently there's a big party happening in Downing Street tonight. I hope they're all wearing their muzzles.



1465704728386359307

[arista]

Alf

In Parliament Live, right now

they just voted on the Coronavirus Regulations in England


431 Ayes
36 Noes

Majority for these Rules You Alf & all of us in England
must now Follow is 395


The Law is the Law

[arista]

Apparently there's a big party happening in Downing Street tonight. I hope they're all wearing their muzzles.



1465704728386359307


No Alf
he is no longer in the Cabinet
the Dirty Shagger

[arista]

[30 November 2021
Because of a delay in receiving cases data for England,
today's update is delayed.
The current estimate for release is 6pm.
Further updates will be provided here.]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

DM reporter
said to the PM many are Cancelling Xmas Partys
and School Plays

[arista]

['Likely' there is community transmission
of Omicron in UK - Javid

Responding to the Daily Mail's Jason Groves,
Health Secretary Sajid Javid says it is
"likely" there is community transmission.]




It has Now Concluded.

[Alf]

DM reporter
said to the PM many are Cancelling Xmas Partys
and School PlaysDestroying childhoods. Shame on them.

[arista]

Destroying childhoods. Shame on them.


But the Prime Minister
replied to that reporter
saying, Do Not Cancel.

[arista]

The Parliament Voted on Face Mask Rule

434 Yeas
23 Noes

So Alf it's the Law
obey the Law.

[Alf]

Is this variant called Omicron B or just Omicron?

I've seen it been called Omicron B.

[arista]

UK now has 22 Cases of Omicron Covid cases

[Barnet 2 (new),
Brentwood 1,
Camden 2 (1 new),
Haringey 1 (new),
Liverpool 1 (new),
North Norfolk 1 (new),
Nottingham 1, Sutton 1 (new),
Wandsworth 1 and
Westminster 2 (1 new).

Of the nine cases in Scotland,
five are in Lanarkshire and
four are in Greater Glasgow and Clyde.]

[Cherie]

reece will make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory for people aged 60 and over, as the country grapples with a new surge in coronavirus cases.

Authorities said they would impose a €100 fine on every individual over the age of 60 who was not vaccinated.

The measure would apply each month from 16 January onwards.

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said he struggled with the decision, but it was necessary to protect more than half a million elderly Greeks who had failed to get the jab.

"Its the price to pay for health," he said.

About 63% of Greece's around 11 million population is fully vaccinated.

While vaccine appointments have picked up in recent weeks, health ministry data shows there are 520,000 people over the age of 60 who have failed to get a jab.

Greece this month barred unvaccinated people from indoors spaces including restaurants, cinemas, museums and gyms as daily Covid-19 cases hit record highs.

It has recorded 931,183 infections and 18,067 deaths since the start of the pandemic last year.

Dutch find Omicron a week earlier than thought

Dutch health authorities said that the new Covid-19 variant was present in the Netherlands a week earlier than previously believed and checks are under way to see how far it has spread.

The RIVM National Health and Environment Institute said it "has found the corona variant Omicron in two test samples that had already been taken in the Netherlands... on November 19 and 23".

The first cases in the Netherlands had been thought to be the 14 Omicron infections on two KLM flights from South Africa that arrived in Amsterdam on Friday, 26 November.

The two earlier Dutch infections also came before South Africa first reported the new strain on 24 November to the World Health Organization, which has designated Omicron a variant of concern.

"It is not yet clear whether the people concerned (in the earlier cases) have also been to southern Africa," the RIVM said, adding that the people had been informed and municipal health services had now started contact investigations.

With 16 confirmed cases, the Netherlands has one of the highest numbers in Europe of the new strain.

Norwegians should wear face masks in crowded places, PM says

Norwegians should wear face masks on public transport and in other crowded places amid a surge in coronavirus infections, Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere has said.

He also urged municipalities to accelerate a drive to give booster shots to all adults, but did not call for a widespread use of digital "corona passes".

"Vaccination is key to our Covid-19 strategy," Ms Stoere told parliament.

"We can avoid a lockdown," he added.

Norway in September ended all domestic coronavirus restrictions, but opposition parties in recent days called on the government to take action to prevent the spread of the virus and thus avoid a hard lockdown of society.

[arista]

Is this variant called Omicron B or just Omicron?

I've seen it been called Omicron B.


Just the one word

[Cherie]

Is this variant called Omicron B or just Omicron?

I've seen it been called Omicron B.

Omicron, think the B was added so Parmy could do an anagram of No Chrimbo :laugh:

[arista]

400 Military staff to help with Vaccines.

[Alf]

Omicron, think the B was added so Parmy could do an anagram of No Chrimbo :laugh:After a quick Google search the full title is. Omicron (B.1.1.529)

So there is a B and it is an anagram of No Crimbo

[Alf]

UK now has 22 Cases of Omicron Covid cases

[Barnet 2 (new),
Brentwood 1,
Camden 2 (1 new),
Haringey 1 (new),
Liverpool 1 (new),
North Norfolk 1 (new),
Nottingham 1, Sutton 1 (new),
Wandsworth 1 and
Westminster 2 (1 new).

Of the nine cases in Scotland,
five are in Lanarkshire and
four are in Greater Glasgow and Clyde.]Are the 22 vaccinated or unvaccinated? If there's only 22, it shouldn't be hard to find out that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

'A benign omicron may be the answer to our economic prayers'
It is almost too good to believe. The days go by and there is still little
evidence that the omicron wave in South Africa is leading to a concomitant
surge in severe illness.

Professor Francois Balloux, director of the UCL Genetics Institute, says we
cannot rule out the “highly optimistic scenario” of a late-epidemic mutation
that is extremely contagious, displaces delta, but does less harm.

If we are “a bit lucky”, he says, the replication rate of the virus in host cells
proves slower than the delta variant, leading to less hospitalisation and
death.

If we are “really lucky”, it also replicates preferentially in mucosa cells of the
upper airways, rather than in organs such as the lungs and the kidneys
where it does greatest damage. This would be the answer to our prayers.

Markets have taken a fresh beating this morning on warnings from Moderna
that it is “not going to be good” for the existing vaccines. But if the disease is
indeed milder, a slippage in antibody protection levels may not matter, and
we still have T-cell memory as the next line of defence.


TELEGRAPH

[Oliver_W]

reece will make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory for people aged 60 and over, as the country grapples with a new surge in coronavirus cases.


Our Reece has gone far.

[Cherie]

Our Reece has gone far.

He is ruling Greece now, no time for TiBB :laugh:

[Cherie]

After a quick Google search the full title is. Omicron (B.1.1.529)

So there is a B and it is an anagram of No Crimbo

Delta is B.1.617.2)

Its not called Delta B

[Cherie]

'A benign omicron may be the answer to our economic prayers'
It is almost too good to believe. The days go by and there is still little
evidence that the omicron wave in South Africa is leading to a concomitant
surge in severe illness.

Professor Francois Balloux, director of the UCL Genetics Institute, says we
cannot rule out the “highly optimistic scenario” of a late-epidemic mutation
that is extremely contagious, displaces delta, but does less harm.

If we are “a bit lucky”, he says, the replication rate of the virus in host cells
proves slower than the delta variant, leading to less hospitalisation and
death.

If we are “really lucky”, it also replicates preferentially in mucosa cells of the
upper airways, rather than in organs such as the lungs and the kidneys
where it does greatest damage. This would be the answer to our prayers.

Markets have taken a fresh beating this morning on warnings from Moderna
that it is “not going to be good” for the existing vaccines. But if the disease is
indeed milder, a slippage in antibody protection levels may not matter, and
we still have T-cell memory as the next line of defence.


TELEGRAPH

:fc:

[arista]

Tuesday 30/11/21

159 have Died
39,716 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,631

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
916



144,969 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – Let me get this right. The Prime Minister is saying that I must wear a mask in a
shop, even if I’m the only one in there and I’m in and out in a matter of minutes, but I
can spend all night in a pub with scores of other people and I don’t need a mask.

Mike Tugby
Warminster, Wiltshire



SIR – What is the logic behind allowing us free access to cinemas with no face masks #where, if the auditorium is full, one can observe no sort of distancing, yet in a #supermarket, where observing social distancing doesn’t present much of a problem, #we have to mask up?

Matthew Biddlecombe
Sampford Courtenay, Devon

[Cherie]

SIR – Let me get this right. The Prime Minister is saying that I must wear a mask in a
shop, even if I’m the only one in there and I’m in and out in a matter of minutes, but I
can spend all night in a pub with scores of other people and I don’t need a mask.

Mike Tugby
Warminster, Wiltshire



SIR – What is the logic behind allowing us free access to cinemas with no face masks #where, if the auditorium is full, one can observe no sort of distancing, yet in a #supermarket, where observing social distancing doesn’t present much of a problem, #we have to mask up?

Matthew Biddlecombe
Sampford Courtenay, Devon

Makes no sense in cinema...eating and drinking was the explanation for pubs