Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[arista]

Can we have a new graph showing the scottish figures please.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53511877

[Zizu]

Kids are experiencing long covid symptoms.


So why are we going to lift all restrictions in schools .. a week before the summer holidays as well ?!?


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[Zizu]

There will be thousands more who travelled down and then back up who havnt bothered to even test themselves...


Maybe they should publish the names / photos of all those who travelled south ?
They will sadly have deaths on their hands


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[Scarlett.]

We've only had this thing coming on 2 years now and everyone thinks its conquered, its far from it, we are still at a very early vaccination situation, and still blind to what that entails in the way forward.

Can we vaccinate our children, if not is it safe to allow them to run the risk on a daily basis of catching covid over and over again...is the vaccine safe for infants? Is it safe to allow our infants to come into contact with us over and over again as we unwittingly carry the virus, hidden by our vaccinated bodies?

I think we are possibly in for a turbulent winter, so it might be best to make the most of the summer while we can

[AnnieK]

So why are we going to lift all restrictions in schools .. a week before the summer holidays as well ?!?


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I thought restrictions lift on the 19th? All the schools in my area finish on the 20th

[Zizu]

I thought restrictions lift on the 19th? All the schools in my area finish on the 20th


Why close on a Monday ?

Friday the 23rd July in Gtr Manchester as I understand


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[AnnieK]

Why close on a Monday ?

Friday the 23rd July in Gtr Manchester as I understand


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Well my son is at school in GM and he finishes on 20th. My friend's kids are at school in salford and finish on 21st.

[Zizu]

Well my son is at school in GM and he finishes on 20th. My friend's kids are at school in salford and finish on 21st.


Interesting.. we certainly finish on the 23rd so we will have 4 or 5 completely unprotected days in a school building alongside 1000 teenagers..with the new variant running crazy in our area



What could wrong ..


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[Zizu]

Australia

One of the world's most remote towns has been put into lockdown due to possible exposure to coronavirus.

Alice Springs is roughly 800 miles from the nearest city in Australia - Darwin or Adelaide - and is located almost exactly in the centre of the island continent.

Roughly half of the Australian population is now under stay-at-home orders, as the country seeks to keep the prevalence of coronavirus at a minimum.


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[bots]

Australia

One of the world's most remote towns has been put into lockdown due to possible exposure to coronavirus.

Alice Springs is roughly 800 miles from the nearest city in Australia - Darwin or Adelaide - and is located almost exactly in the centre of the island continent.

Roughly half of the Australian population is now under stay-at-home orders, as the country seeks to keep the prevalence of coronavirus at a minimum.


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the reason why its a problem in Australia is because they havent bothered about vaccination. A tiny percentage of australians have been vaccinated

[Beso]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53511877



Thank you..

That dont look good.

[Beso]

https://www.facebook.com/100008743505649/posts/2516640718637354/

Sound up

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

278 total hospitalisations lowest total since September (10 new hospitalisations, lowest amount since half October, and 28 people left the hospital, either recovered or died)


only 9 new patients on nursing wards

only 1 new patient on ICU/ventilator, first one in 3 days

[arista]

1/7/21 Thursday

22 have Died
27,989 Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,795

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
287


128,162 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://www.facebook.com/100008743505649/posts/2516640718637354/

Sound up


Yes Great

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

278 total hospitalisations lowest total since September (10 new hospitalisations, lowest amount since half October, and 28 people left the hospital, either recovered or died)


only 9 new patients on nursing wards

only 1 new patient on ICU/ventilator, first one in 3 days

845 new cases, 200 more than yesterday, highest number of positive tests since June 18th, mostly among age group between 20-24

[Strictly Jake]

There are 11000 more positive cases then there was last Thursday!

[bots]

the hospitalisations and deaths are not following the infections though, we can continue to live in fear or we can thank the scientist for vaccination and live life.

We have already been restricted for too long. Most people are already ignoring restrictions. What is the point of vaccination if it doesnt allow people to live their lives

[Vanessa]

the hospitalisations and deaths are not following the infections though, we can continue to live in fear or we can thank the scientist for vaccination and live life.

We have already been restricted for too long. Most people are already ignoring restrictions. What is the point of vaccination if it doesnt allow people to live their lives

That's true. Deaths and ICU cases are stable.
That means vaccines are doing their job.
I think we can safely reopen.
Of course a booster in winter is a good idea.

[Crimson Dynamo]

time to stop posting these fearmongering pointless stats

[Zizu]

So are we ( you ) suggesting that we regard Covid19 just like the Flu or common cold ??


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[Beso]

For everyone's information....

A runny nose is now the main symptom.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

For everyone's information....

A runny nose is now the main symptom.


... and sneezing ??

( apparently)


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[arista]

Because
of Covid-19 Restrictions
HGV licences were halted

Thats a Major reason Lorrys are short
of drivers.

Radio 5 Business Report

[arista]

Yesterday
Some Extra Precautions at the 19th of July

Johnson PM. Said yesterday at the Car Factory.

J.Vine said he booked a table for 6 people on August the 2nd
the Restaurant they sent back an Email
saying make sure all are on Track and Trace.


Ch5HD Live AM Debate

[bots]

they are going to keep things like good ventilation as requirements which can only be a plus pandemic or not

[Vanessa]

they are going to keep things like good ventilation as requirements which can only be a plus pandemic or not

Yes, I think keeping some precautions is sensible.

[Cherie]

So Angela is at Chequers today... you couldn’t make this shiz up :facepalm:

[arista]

Scotland

1 in 150 has Covid 19


[In Scotland, it was about one in 150 people,
up from one in 220 in the previous week,
and the highest level since the week to February 6.]


1 in 260 for England have Covid-19
1 in 450 for Wales have Covid-19


https://news.sky.com/story/r-number-in-england-falls-slightly-to-1-1-to-1-3-despite-rise-in-case-numbers-12347078

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

248 total hospitalisations (for the first time since September 16th last year below 250) 30 less than yesterday

140 total on nursing wards 19 less than yesterday

108 total on ICU/ventilator 11 less than yesterday

[arista]

So Angela is at Chequers today... you couldn’t make this shiz up :facepalm:


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: RIVM thinks half of the daily new cases are from the Delta variant, two weeks ago this was 17%, another week before that 9%, and before that 4%

the Delta variant cases are very closely monitored

despite this surge of the Delta strain, the hospitalisation totals remain decreasing

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

248 total hospitalisations (for the first time since September 16th last year below 250) 30 less than yesterday

140 total on nursing wards 19 less than yesterday 11 new patients on nursing wards similar to past couple days

108 total on ICU/ventilator 11 less than yesterday again no new ICU/ventilator patients this for the third time in 4 days

on September 22nd last year the ICU's last time less than 100 patients, and we are nearing that low point again


so despite the delta variant good to see these numbers steadily continuing to go down


962 new cases, most in last 2 weeks

[arista]

Friday 2/7/21

27 have Died.
27,125 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,795

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300



128,189 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Scarlett.]

Hospitalisations slowly increasing again...

[Nicky91]

our new cases increase isn't reason for panic


mostly coming from partying youth, 60 cases of delta variant though from one specific nightclub discoteque party in Enschede, so as long as those with delta virus self-isolate properly no reason for worries


i've learned from this whole pandemic so far, not to panic or stress too often anymore

[arista]

Hospitalisations slowly increasing again...


Yes, blame the Bloody Delta Variation

[bots]

only 80% of adults in my area have had 1 dose, 60% with the 2nd dose. That's pretty poor really

You can check the rates here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

[Vanessa]

I don't think we should be opening up until most people have had both doses of the vaccine.
But it's up to the government to decide.

[Zizu]

I don't think we should be opening up until most people have had both doses of the vaccine.
But it's up to the government to decide.


We see seeing more and more people going down with Covid19 even after having BOTH vaccines


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[Vanessa]

We see seeing more and more people going down with Covid19 even after having BOTH vaccines


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Yes, but it's less likely that they will die from it with the vaccine.

[Zizu]

Yes, but it's less likely that they will die from it with the vaccine.


Hope so ... we’re being battered with the Delta variant but the Delta+ is far more virulent and on its way :(

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Hope so ... we’re being battered with the Delta variant but the Delta+ is far more virulent and on its way :(

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no we are not

[Zizu]

no we are not


We’ll soon back up to over 30,000 new infections each day ( and rising fast ) ..

What do you think will happen when Delta+ takes hold ?


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

1.146 new cases 194 more than yesterday, average of positive covid tests is increasing

1 new death


nothing on hospitalisations or ICU since those are only published throughout the week now



more than 16 million jabs administered, in total as of today (first and second dose stats combined 16.4 million out of population of 17 million)

per minute 297 people are vaccinated, which is 213.000 doses a day

[arista]

Hammersmith & Fulham
is a Covid-19 Hotspot
they set up Grab a Jab.

After the 1st Jab
they will do the 2nd Jab in 8 weeks.

ITV1HD London News

[arista]

Saturday 3/7/21

18 have Died
24,885 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


128,207 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

We're definitely not seeing anything like the spikes we have in previous waves, so it seems certain that something has changed. In another month or so we'll be able to say quite definitively to what extent.

[arista]

We're definitely not seeing anything like the spikes we have in previous waves, so it seems certain that something has changed. In another month or so we'll be able to say quite definitively to what extent.

Blame Delta
and Delta+

For the Rise in Cases

[Zizu]

Blame Delta
and Delta+

For the Rise in Cases


Delta+ hasn’t got going yet ..


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[arista]

Delta+ hasn’t got going yet ..





It bloody has

That was in June
The variant has also spread to other countries including the UK,
USA, Portugal, Switzerland, Japan, Poland, Nepal,
China and Russia. Sky News reports that 41 cases
have been sequenced in the UK.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/delta-plus-variant_uk_60d2fc5ce4b06005129c998f


It will be more than double that now


Of course
The Government is keeping that number secret.

[Zizu]

It bloody has


I’d hardly say that 40 cases ( in the uk ) can be regarded as ‘getting going’

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India has dubbed delta plus a "variant of concern," and there are fears that it could potentially be more transmissible. In the U.K., Public Health England noted in its last summary that routine scanning of Covid cases in the country (where the delta variant is now responsible for the bulk of new infections) has found almost 40 cases of the newer variant, which has acquired the spike protein mutation K417N, i.e. delta plus.


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[arista]

I’d hardly say that 40 cases ( in the uk ) can be regarded as ‘getting going’

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India has dubbed delta plus a "variant of concern," and there are fears that it could potentially be more transmissible. In the U.K., Public Health England noted in its last summary that routine scanning of Covid cases in the country (where the delta variant is now responsible for the bulk of new infections) has found almost 40 cases of the newer variant, which has acquired the spike protein mutation K417N, i.e. delta plus.




That data is From June

New Up to date we need

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/m_veselinovic/status/1411373669885136901?s=21

No masks ..


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[Zizu]

That data is From June

New Up to date we need


It’s only a week old .. there’s always a delay .

It’s not gone from under 40 to being dominant in 7 days though


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[arista]

https://twitter.com/m_veselinovic/status/1411373669885136901?s=21

No masks ..



Yes more Covid Spreaders

[Cherie]

Saturday 26/6/21

23 have Died
18,270 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,505

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
259


128,089 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Saturday 3/7/21

18 have Died
24,885 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


128,207 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


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[arista]

In "USA" yesterday
President Biden
claimed Covid is on the run?


Ref:CNN HD Live

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: as of today, for the first time since September 22nd last year, less than 100 covid patients on ICU

now total of 99 patients

[Zizu]

Netherlands: as of today, for the first time since September 22nd last year, less than 100 covid patients on ICU

now total of 99 patients


Have you got / had the Delta variant??


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[arista]

Sunday 4/7/21

15 have Died.
24,248 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


128,222 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

Have you got / had the Delta variant??


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Everywhere has Delta :shrug:.

Worth remembering with Nicky's stats though, that The Netherlands has a population of 17.5 million vs the UK's 68 million, so 99 is ICU in The Netherlands is the equivalent of 384 being in ICU in the UK, which makes their numbers actually very similar (or in fact slightly worse) than UK figures currently.

[bots]

the numbers are rising, but nothing like they did during previous waves, and the country is all but open again, and this is with a more infectious variant

[Zizu]

Everywhere has Delta :shrug:.

Worth remembering with Nicky's stats though, that The Netherlands has a population of 17.5 million vs the UK's 68 million, so 99 is ICU in The Netherlands is the equivalent of 384 being in ICU in the UK, which makes their numbers actually very similar (or in fact slightly worse) than UK figures currently.


My point was that we’re all at different points with the Delta variant .. some have had it a while and it’s dominant others are a bit behind ( as I understand)


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[Zizu]

the numbers are rising, but nothing like they did during previous waves, and the country is all but open again, and this is with a more infectious variant


The deaths total is staying low - as everyone keeps saying but ... long Covid effects aren’t to be belittled imho

Especially as long Covid is effecting younger folk and children apparently


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[michael21]

Sunday 4/7/21

15 have Died.
24,248 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


128,222 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yes from the government website not all death are reported sadly

[Zizu]

Yes from the government website not all death are reported sadly


I do wonder why we’re only told of the ones that die within 28 days ...

I know they have to have a cut off point but why such a short period?

Slightly bizarre tbh


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[DouglasS]

I do wonder why we’re only told of the ones that die within 28 days ...

I know they have to have a cut off point but why such a short period?

Slightly bizarre tbh


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It’s probably over estimating them if anything…. A lot of people will have just died of something unrelated to covid and had been tested positive within 28 days anyway because hundreds of thousands are tested daily

Also do you not want things to get back to normal? It’s been almost a year and a half now… it’s never going to go away, vaccinating is pretty much done.every adult has had access to a vaccine if they wish, Is your solution to remain locked up forever? Because cases are going to rise as restrictions end (as they have been) and as people care less about covid (as they do because they’re vaccinated and people have been promised freedom) meaning mixing is happening regardless now.

No point living in fear, if you’ve been vaccinated it’s much less deadly than the flu.
If you are so worried maybe don’t leave the house? There’s an element of risk with everything we do and up to 50 people dying a day out of 65m really isn’t that much in the grand scheme of life itself

[Nicky91]

yes the delta variant is in my country, but we are not stopping the relaxing of measures simply because our RIVM and all virologists here see no reason for panic

since our hospitalisations, ICU's are still going down quite fast despite the bit of increase in cases now today there were somewhat above 1.200 new cases


tbh the public need this freedom big time now, and as long as we up the vaccinations which are going the right direction, 16.4 total out of 17.5 isn't bad at all, so at least we gave protection to majority

i do still think this might do the trick in getting covid smaller and smaller, covid will stay among us but i do still believe we can control it for our ''normal'' or new normal lives to continue


same in UK, keep vaccinating, and i think even the delta will eventually become less and less dominant



i myself am not scared of this, for me refusing the vaccine but i am not a anti-vaxxer either, if i did socialize or if i did still go to work i would've taken the vaccine i swear, but my lifestyle well i do not socialize, and my parents already had one dose, very shortly to go for their second dose, my nan (mom's mum) is fully vaccinated who lives next door to us



Douglas :hug: hope things go back to normal soon over there

[Vanessa]

Time to get back to normal.
Lockdown isn't possible as a permanent solution, people need to get back to work.
All we can do is vaccinate as many as possible as try to be sensible.

[arista]

Time to get back to normal.
Lockdown isn't possible as a permanent solution, people need to get back to work.
All we can do is vaccinate as many as possible as try to be sensible.


We can never get back to normal
China's Covid is stuck with the World
Forever.


In Asia it keeps returning.

[Vanessa]

We can never get back to normal
China's Covid is stuck with the World
Forever.

No, but life goes on.
We have rhe vaccine now, so we can fight back.

[arista]

No, but life goes on.
We have rhe vaccine now, so we can fight back.



Of Course
but no way is it going to be back to normal.



I am Sick of MP's saying that.

[Scarlett.]

The hospitalisation numbers keep going up...

As much as I want to get back to normal on July 19th, it feels like the numbers are gonna rocket up when restrictions are gone

[Vanessa]

Of Course
but no way is it going to be back to normal.



I am Sick of MP's saying that.

It wont be like before, but I think the virus is manageable now.

[michael21]

Of Course
but no way is it going to be back to normal.



I am Sick of MP's saying that.

It the new normal yes you can go out if you had 2 jabs only

[michael21]

It wont be like before, but I think the virus is manageable now.

Yes like the flu time to get back to normal every can go back to work

[arista]

It wont be like before, but I think the virus is manageable now.



Yes thats more Fair

[michael21]

Yes thats more Fair

Glad you agree

[arista]

The hospitalisation numbers keep going up...

As much as I want to get back to normal on July 19th, it feels like the numbers are gonna rocket up when restrictions are gone



Yes they are now saying in England
Mask wearing will be Voluntary.


Which is a good way.


On Ch4HDnews
even some young people said they will still wear the mask


In Scotland
Mask wearing will continue until August

[arista]

Sad News in Indonesia
Dozens of Covid Patients in a Public Hospital
all died due to Lack of Oxygen.
They ran out of supply/

And the Prime Minister of Luxembourg was
rushed to Hospital
after catching Covid-19.


Ch4HDnews

[Vanessa]

I will keep wearing the mask when in crowded places inside.
Outside I think there's no need, fresh air helps.

[arista]

I will keep wearing the mask when in crowded places inside.
Outside I think there's no need, fresh air helps.



Yes that is Good Sense.

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[_Seth]

Boris Johnson is a jaw droppingly stupid twat.

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[arista]

Boris Johnson is a jaw droppingly stupid twat.


Could be, sure

[DouglasS]

Good decision Boris :clap1:

Time for some normality to arrive, everyone who wishes to has had access to a vaccine, what more do people want? Hiding away forever is dumb and isn’t what life is about

[bots]

i think it's crazy to have a a vaccine and then not let people carry on their lives as normally as they can. What is the point in vaccination if restrictions were to remain

[Nicky91]

i think it's crazy to have a a vaccine and then not let people carry on their lives as normally as they can. What is the point in vaccination if restrictions were to remain

exactly


however, am still puzzling regarding the differences in effectiveness which vaccine

and many in UK have got AstraZeneca, right (66% effectiveness) compared to those vaccinated with Pfizer (well in 90% effectiveness)

do think those with Pfizer have better chances to not end up in hospital than those with AstraZeneca


and no Bots, i am not being against any vaccine, also for all the times i called it ''toxic rubbish'' i apologize


but i just keep thinking regarding the effectiveness statistics (i'm not a virologist or science professor so i might be wrong in all i say on here, but i am one who is putting health of all people first)



but indeed you cannot keep people in lockdown

[bots]

exactly


however, am still puzzling regarding the differences in effectiveness which vaccine

and many in UK have got AstraZeneca, right (66% effectiveness) compared to those vaccinated with Pfizer (well in 90% effectiveness)

do think those with Pfizer have better chances to not end up in hospital than those with AstraZeneca


and no Bots, i am not being against any vaccine, also for all the times i called it ''toxic rubbish'' i apologize


but i just keep thinking regarding the effectiveness statistics (i'm not a virologist or science professor so i might be wrong in all i say on here, but i am one who is putting health of all people first)



but indeed you cannot keep people in lockdown

Astra Zenica vaccine is greater than 90% effective at stopping hospitalisation and 99% effective against covid related death. You can't get better than that, and those are based on actual figures

[Nicky91]

ok bots i believe you



btw Netherlands: our ICU chief Diederik Gommers has said he thinks the delta variant won't have to lead to another lockdown

[arista]

Tonight 5PM
Live 9 Downing Street

The Prime minister gives an Update
But not all the Info
as Next Monday Another update

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57715496

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EC93/production/_119236506_51290394349_f320cb556f_b.jpg
[The PM helps chef Levi Roots at a National Thank You Day
event for NHS workers at No 10 on Sunday]

[arista]

[Duchess of Cambridge forced to self-isolate due to Covid contact]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57721140

William having to the Duty on his own.

[Vanessa]

i think it's crazy to have a a vaccine and then not let people carry on their lives as normally as they can. What is the point in vaccination if restrictions were to remain

It's probably just wearing masks in closed spaces, which I think is sensible.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/05/11/45051401-0-image-m-10_1625480950834.jpg

[bots]

its singularly pointless for someone to isolate who has been fully vaccinated

[Cherie]

its singularly pointless for someone to isolate who has been fully vaccinated

she probably hasn't been second jabbed yet

wouldn't all those around her be pinged as well if she caught it at any of the above :laugh:

[Beso]

Fantastic news regarding the george cross being awarded to the NHS.

[arista]

Fantastic news regarding the george cross being awarded to the NHS.


But they want a Pay Rise.

[Beso]

But they want a Pay Rise.

Who doesn't?

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

126 total on nursing wards, same as yesterday

110 total on ICU/ventilators increase of 11 compared to yesterday

[Nicky91]

The first jab is in many people's case, or will be put in the coming weeks. But you are not yet well protected against the coronavirus. At the same time, the delta variant is advancing: should we be worried about summer? "You can't rule out new measures."

"We enthusiastically brought in the delta variant", says Frits Rosendaal, professor of clinical epidemiology at the LUMC. He refers to holiday trips, especially of young people who have partied in southern Europe after their exams.

After a long period of declines, the daily infection figures of the RIVM are now showing a resurgence. Yesterday, 1239 positive tests were reported, compared to 1135 (after correction) on Saturday. For two weeks, the number of infections was below 1,000.

doubling
The figures mainly concern young people: by far the most infections occur in the 10 to 30 age group (and in particular 20 to 30).

In 89 of the 355 municipalities, the number of infections doubled or increased compared to the situation a week earlier. For example, there is a considerable increase in Amsterdam, Groningen, Enschede and Helmond.

There has not been an increase in the number of positive tests everywhere. There are considerable differences per municipality. This can be clearly seen in the table below. It shows the trend in the number of reported new positive tests for each municipality in the Netherlands.

"When you hear that, for example, 95 schoolchildren with corona have returned from Portugal, and some of them have been shown to have contracted the contagious delta variant. Then you know: it's going fast," says epidemiologist Rosendaal.

The explanation for further increase also has to do with the easing in the Netherlands. Nightclubs make it easy to move quickly, says the professor.

nightclubs
That's what's going on right now. It is busy in nightlife, especially in the student cities. And Testing for Access - despite being strictly monitored in many places - does not always provide adequate protection.

For example, 180 young people were infected at a nightclub in Enschede after a night out, and outbreaks also occur in other places. Similarly, a cluster appears to have arisen after a party of students at the HotelSchool in The Hague.

Now the question is: is it bad, all these infections? According to Rosendaal, the answer to that is: "Yes, and no. We were more worried a year ago than we are now. Then we also got that big wave of disease in the fall. But now we are further in terms of protection by vaccination."

Still, there are concerns. We are not yet sufficiently protected. Really well protected you are only two to four weeks after your second jab. "And the number of people who have already come is not so large. The fortysomethings will get their second jab in the near future, but should actually wait a few more weeks for optimal protection."

And even if you have become infected unprotected as a young person, that can be no fun. "That's not fun. It's different from a flu." You may also have to deal with long covid.

Situation ICs
Rosendaal does not expect the ICs to be flooded with corona patients again. "But people can still get sick and have something left over. So the fact that the infections are now rising fast is actually irresponsible."

It is only in September that the moment comes when the vast majority of adults are well protected. Rosendaal: "Even in countries such as Israel or the United Kingdom, where the degree of protection is higher, measures had to be taken again because of the delta variant."

Do we also have to deal with additional measures in the Netherlands? According to Rosendaal, we first need to see if we are complying with the measures that are still in place. "But at some point, a decision will have to be made, whether something more needs to be done."

A lockdown seems indecent to the epidemiologist, so does the return of face masks. "But think in particular of intervention in nightlife, and the sale of alcohol. Such measures are lurking."

Rosendaal believes that there should be good enforcement in the hospitality industry, and if pubs do not comply with the measures, they should be punished for this. "Think, for example, of closing such a pub."

And finally, the government should bring people back to the classroom with communication. "The message has to be: it's not over yet, work from home where possible and keep 1.5 meters away."

https://www.msn.com/nl-nl/gezondheid/medisch/deltavariant-rukt-op-onder-onbeschermde-jongeren-maatregelen-op-de-loer/ar-AALN7BC?ocid=msedgntp
dutch article, translated by me via bing translate

[Cherie]

1411934871698739202

bore off honestly, we have done everything we have been asked to do, yet we might get a new variant, should we wait around for it to arrive or what?

[Nicky91]

bore off honestly, we have done everything we have been asked to do, yet we might get a new variant, should we wait around for it to arrive or what?

yup


all of my nation's virologists, experts really don't think we have to resort back to lockdowns again, or even the face mask compulsory


we do not underestimate the delta variant, but we also do no longer panic either

people want their freedoms, well they can have their freedoms, but just that people should be careful, and those infected with delta should of course self-isolate the proper and whole 10 days quarantine time

[bots]

Scotland tops Europe hotspot chart

Six Scottish health boards are among the top 10 regions worst hit by coronavirus in the European region, according to World Health Organization (WHO) figures.

NHS Tayside has the highest rate, with 1,146 cases per 100,000 people.

Lothian, Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Fife Lanarkshire and Ayrshire and Arran health boards are also in the top 10, along with north-east and north-west England.

[user104658]

Scotland tops Europe hotspot chart

Six Scottish health boards are among the top 10 regions worst hit by coronavirus in the European region, according to World Health Organization (WHO) figures.

NHS Tayside has the highest rate, with 1,146 cases per 100,000 people.

Lothian, Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Fife Lanarkshire and Ayrshire and Arran health boards are also in the top 10, along with north-east and north-west England.


All you dirty English popping up for your holidays :hmph:

[bots]

All you dirty English popping up for your holidays :hmph:

not at all related to the 20k scots that travelled to wembeleey :laugh:

[arista]

Andy Burnham Mayor
Live on BBCnewsHD
thinks the PM should wait until
all the 18 year olds have had 2 jabs.



And they Confirmed Scotland does have the highest
infections in the EU (As already posted)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andy Burnham Mayor
Live on BBCnewsHD
thinks the PM should wait until
all the 18 year olds have had 2 jabs.

how nice

[arista]

Now Live on
BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
LBC
Times Radio DAB
Radio 5
GBnewsHD

[arista]

[There will be no limits on social contact from 19 July
and all remaining businesses will be allowed to open]

[Legal requirement to wear face masks to be removed from 19 July]

[There will be no limits on social contact from 19 July
and all remaining businesses will be allowed to open]

[Zizu]

The PM expects every adult to have a first dose by July 19th


Apart from the millions who refuse ??


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[arista]

Apart from the millions who refuse ??





Yes thats the Problem we have,

[arista]

Monday 5/7/21

9 Died
27,334 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,905


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
321


128,321 UK Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Apart from the millions who refuse ??


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7 million people smoke in the UK

[arista]

7 million people smoke in the UK


Of Course
but unlike Covid-19
not a fast death - for some

[Vanessa]

I think vaccinations are helping to keep deaths and ICU cases low.
So we can reopen, but we should still be sensible.
Use common sense.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Beth
just called the PM "Reckless"

The PM wants to strike the right balance.
He said its not the end of Covid,

[arista]

Beth tried to come back in.

But the PM went to the Newspaper the i

[bots]

Apart from the millions who refuse ??


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they do so at their own risk. We all take risks of one type or another every day. We have never lived in a world with certainty

[arista]

Last Question
from Bloomberg

Asked if the next big Football Match will be a Super Spreader?


Its Now Concluded
37mins.

[Strictly Jake]

They best not go back on their word. I'm so happy that everything is opening again

[Jake.]

Masks no longer being mandatory on public transport is nothing short of ridiculous, especially if we’re going to see a surge of people heading back to offices etc.

[arista]

Keir Starmer Labour Leader
says we need a proper plan.
He wants Masks kept in enclosed places,

I do not think he heard in full what the PM said.

[arista]

Masks no longer being mandatory on public transport is nothing short of ridiculous, especially if we’re going to see a surge of people heading back to offices etc.



You can still have one on.
At least.

[Jake.]

You can still have one on.
At least.

Not really the point

[Nicky91]

They best not go back on their word. I'm so happy that everything is opening again

yes it is good a lot of reopening again, just be careful though

Masks no longer being mandatory on public transport is nothing short of ridiculous, especially if we’re going to see a surge of people heading back to offices etc.

well at least my nation still has Masks mandatory on public transport (somehow wish they also were still mandatory in stores though)

[arista]

They best not go back on their word. I'm so happy that everything is opening again



Another one of these
is next Monday
the week before the 19th.

[bots]

Starmer is saying Boris can't make any statements yet because he hasn't yet seen the data. The interviewer then pointed out that Starmer was criticising Boris and suggesting alternative approaches without having seen the data ... pot, kettle, black :laugh:

[arista]

Starmer is saying Boris can't make any statements yet because he hasn't yet seen the data. The interviewer then pointed out that Starmer was criticising Boris and suggesting alternative approaches without having seen the data ... pot, kettle, black :laugh:


Yes.


Next Monday we get another 5PM
that will matter more.

[Crimson Dynamo]

19 covid related deaths today

The average number of deaths per day in UK 1,904

[arista]

Tomorrow we hear about Education changes.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/05/18/45066851-0-image-m-31_1625506260985.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9757847/Boris-pushes-button-big-bang-Freedom-Day-unlocking.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

so many negative nannies on LBC

a woman just now says she was coming home from the shops and she dropped her mask and she was "terrified to walk home without one"


not sure how you can deal with crazies like her

[DouglasS]

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The most doom and gloom person that ever existed, he’s saying we already have freedom as it is, but obviously he is not of the age of university, college, going to festivals/nightlife he is unaffected and can’t see how these outlets are important to a lot of younger people. Studying alone 9-5 at university online and then meeting people digitally is not healthy for some people. I’m not even a student but I am able to sympathise

Dr Hilary is an idiot

[Crimson Dynamo]

The most doom and gloom person that ever existed, he’s saying we already have freedom as it is, but obviously he is not of the age of university, college, going to festivals/nightlife he is unaffected and can’t see how these outlets are important to a lot of younger people. Studying alone 9-5 at university online and then meeting people digitally is not healthy for some people. I’m not even a student but I am able to sympathise

Dr Hilary is an idiot

He has been a fearmonger for nearly 2 years and i have no idea why he is given airtime

[bots]

so many negative nannies on LBC

a woman just now says she was coming home from the shops and she dropped her mask and she was "terrified to walk home without one"


not sure how you can deal with crazies like her

the media have been scaremongering constantly for 18 months, it's no surprise it has affected the confidence of a great many people.

I don't know about anyone else, but getting the first jab was like removing a great weight, after the 2nd it was bliss. I'm going out and enjoying myself. That doesn't mean i lose all common sense, it just means i can do things that improve my quality of life and take my own responsibility for my health like i have always done

[arista]

The most doom and gloom person that ever existed, he’s saying we already have freedom as it is, but obviously he is not of the age of university, college, going to festivals/nightlife he is unaffected and can’t see how these outlets are important to a lot of younger people. Studying alone 9-5 at university online and then meeting people digitally is not healthy for some people. I’m not even a student but I am able to sympathise

Dr Hilary is an idiot



He made some good points

[MTVN]

Generally happy with the announcement but it is going to lead to a big rise in cases so if they're keeping the isolating rules that's going to become a nightmare with so many people having to needlessly isolate, could be situations where whole workforces are repeatedly having to do so in places like retail and hospitality etc

You shouldn't have to isolate if you're double jabbed or can repeatedly display negative tests imo

[GoldHeart]

Watching the announcement update ,was once again mixed messages and irresponsible.

Basically mask wearing and social distancing will be gone/ optional,yet somehow he's still telling us to be careful of Covid. But yet he's the one who gave July 19th as "freedom Day" :bored: .

Every time Boris and his cronies talk , it just sounds like jibberish that they're trying to make up on the spot.

[bots]

Generally happy with the announcement but it is going to lead to a big rise in cases so if they're keeping the isolating rules that's going to become a nightmare with so many people having to needlessly isolate, could be situations where whole workforces are repeatedly having to do so in places like retail and hospitality etc

You shouldn't have to isolate if you're double jabbed or can repeatedly display negative tests imo

the theory is that the cases will peak out and then fall in the run up to autumn. In countries with minimal restrictions, the infection rate just went down on it's own naturally. Of course if a new super variant comes along all bets are off, but i think it's right we let things level out themselves and see how it goes

[Vicky.]

Starmer is saying Boris can't make any statements yet because he hasn't yet seen the data. The interviewer then pointed out that Starmer was criticising Boris and suggesting alternative approaches without having seen the data ... pot, kettle, black :laugh:indeed :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

rise in cases mean bugger all

if most are asymptomatic

give us WHO IS GRAVELY ILL

OR STOP FEARMONGERING

[Vicky.]

rise in cases mean bugger all

if most are asymptomatic

give us WHO IS GRAVELY ILL

OR STOP FEARMONGERING

Radio I was listening to earlier has started going on about deaths and hospitalizations being low because of the vaccine success (After a week of saying nhs is struggling again, apparently)...but long covid. It's amazing how they switch like that.

[Vicky.]

The theory is that the cases will peak out and then fall in the run up to autumn. In countries with minimal restrictions, the infection rate just went down on it's own naturally. Of course if a new super variant comes along all bets are off, but i think it's right we let things level out themselves and see how it goes

Then presumably rise naturally in winter again, like what we expected last year? Seems at this stage all we can do is be prepared and keep an eye on things really. It's here forever, and will continue to mutate also, as viruses do really.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5jo2YEXMAMwMmT?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5j-ioRWUAkGVQo?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Zizu]

Generally happy with the announcement but it is going to lead to a big rise in cases so if they're keeping the isolating rules that's going to become a nightmare with so many people having to needlessly isolate, could be situations where whole workforces are repeatedly having to do so in places like retail and hospitality etc

You shouldn't have to isolate if you're double jabbed or can repeatedly display negative tests imo


I thought I just heard them say you don’t have to self isolate if you’ve had two jabs - if you’re a close contact ..


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[arista]

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[bots]

Germany is lifting a Covid-related travel ban on people from the UK and four other variant-hit countries.

The restrictions, which also applied to people from Portugal, Russia, India and Nepal, will be relaxed from Wednesday.

Visitors who are fully vaccinated will also not be required to quarantine.

Non-vaccinated people will however still be required to quarantine for up to 10 days, with the option to end their quarantine early with a negative test on the fifth day.

The five countries have until now been classified as "virus variant areas" because of the spread of the Delta and Delta Plus variants, which were first identified in India.

Although German citizens and residents were exempt from the ban, they were required to quarantine for 14 days when they arrived in the country.

[Strictly Jake]

People are going to complain if we dont open up, people are going to complain if we do. There won't be pleasing of everyone. But what's the point of delaying cases. It's an illness that will be here for a while and people will die. But they die from lots of other illnesses we aren't frightened of. Cancer for example. We are told that 1 in 2 will get cancer. But it doesn't stop our lives living in dread. In fact the fact that life can be taken away shows we need to spend time enjoying our life rather than stuck at home or stuck wearing a mask or not been able to have things like a big wedding to enjoy. If anything it proves life is too short. Let's get out there and grab it by the balls

[arista]

The Health Secretary has been on TV
this morning but under proper Parliament Rules
he must say it in Parliament first.

Possible Changes to the track and trace ping.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-health-secretary-sajid-javid-says-we-cant-live-in-a-world-where-the-only-thing-we-are-thinking-about-is-covid-12349764


He is Expected to be in Parliament
at 12:30PM or just before
it will go Live on both news channels.

[Cherie]

People are going to complain if we dont open up, people are going to complain if we do. There won't be pleasing of everyone. But what's the point of delaying cases. It's an illness that will be here for a while and people will die. But they die from lots of other illnesses we aren't frightened of. Cancer for example. We are told that 1 in 2 will get cancer. But it doesn't stop our lives living in dread. In fact the fact that life can be taken away shows we need to spend time enjoying our life rather than stuck at home or stuck wearing a mask or not been able to have things like a big wedding to enjoy. If anything it proves life is too short. Let's get out there and grab it by the balls

:love: I think that is where I am too

[Cherie]

Germany is lifting a Covid-related travel ban on people from the UK and four other variant-hit countries.

The restrictions, which also applied to people from Portugal, Russia, India and Nepal, will be relaxed from Wednesday.

Visitors who are fully vaccinated will also not be required to quarantine.

Non-vaccinated people will however still be required to quarantine for up to 10 days, with the option to end their quarantine early with a negative test on the fifth day.

The five countries have until now been classified as "virus variant areas" because of the spread of the Delta and Delta Plus variants, which were first identified in India.

Although German citizens and residents were exempt from the ban, they were required to quarantine for 14 days when they arrived in the country.

Wow India on the list....

[bots]

:love: I think that is where I am too

people are still viewing things from a pre-vaccine perspective i think, and thats going to take time to change. As we were one of the first countries to get the vaccine roll out under way, we are also the first to come to the point of having to make decisions on removing restrictions, but every country is going to be faced with the same dilemma, because the delta variant is spreading everywhere

I will carefully adjust to removed restrictions, taking responsibility for my own health. The same way i did in march last year before restrictions started, but the writing was on the wall. Nobody can ensure your safety better than yourself

[Ammi]

people are still viewing things from a pre-vaccine perspective i think, and thats going to take time to change. As we were one of the first countries to get the vaccine roll out under way, we are also the first to come to the point of having to make decisions on removing restrictions, but every country is going to be faced with the same dilemma, because the delta variant is spreading everywhere

I will carefully adjust to removed restrictions, taking responsibility for my own health. The same way i did in march last year before restrictions started, but the writing was on the wall. Nobody can ensure your safety better than yourself

…yeah, I think that’s the key really…fears and anxieties etc don’t switch and off so for some it will now take a little time to travel back to ‘that normality’….the summer is a good time, though …because there are lots of outdoor options that allow for a more gentle easing into socialising again for those who may feel more anxieties…

[bots]

Wow India on the list....

it's quite a turn around from last week when Angela was telling everyone in europe to close their borders to the uk. Boris must have been very persuasive in his recent meeting with her

[arista]

[COVID-19: England cricket team forced to isolate after
seven coronavirus cases
England have been forced to select a new team for the Pakistan
ODI series after the whole squad went
into isolation due to seven COVID cases.
Three players and four members of the
management team tested positive
after taking PCR tests.

In a statement, the England and
Wales Cricket Board said: "In collaboration with
Public Health England, Public Health Wales
and Bristol Local Health Authority,
those impacted will now observe a period
of self-isolation from July 4 following the
UK government's protocol on quarantine.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-england-cricket-team-forced-to-isolate-after-seven-coronavirus-cases-12349820

[Cherie]

[COVID-19: England cricket team forced to isolate after
seven coronavirus cases
England have been forced to select a new team for the Pakistan
ODI series after the whole squad went
into isolation due to seven COVID cases.
Three players and four members of the
management team tested positive
after taking PCR tests.

In a statement, the England and
Wales Cricket Board said: "In collaboration with
Public Health England, Public Health Wales
and Bristol Local Health Authority,
those impacted will now observe a period
of self-isolation from July 4 following the
UK government's protocol on quarantine.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-england-cricket-team-forced-to-isolate-after-seven-coronavirus-cases-12349820

Nicola Sturgeon stuck pins in the wrong team effigy :hehe:

[Cherie]

it's quite a turn around from last week when Angela was telling everyone in europe to close their borders to the uk. Boris must have been very persuasive in his recent meeting with her

That roast beef lunch really did the trick :laugh:

[arista]

From LBC 10AM Left Winger Show
And also First Guest on 'This Morning' ITV1HD

A Warning


Israel has more or less
the same level of vaccinated people
as the UK.

They did what we are doing on the 19th

But now they have gone back to enforcing masks
on their public
due to massive increase of infections.

[bots]

Sajid Javid tells Today: "It makes sense because of the vaccines and the way they are working that the people who are double-vaccinated are treated differently than people that are not.

"And that’s what I’ll be saying in Parliament today."

He also says coronavirus case numbers could reach 100,000 per day in the summer as restrictions are eased.

"By the time we get to the 19th (of July), we would expect case numbers by then to be at least double what they are now, so around 50,000 new cases a day," he says.

"As we ease and go into the summer, we expect them to rise significantly and they could go as high as 100,000 case numbers."

But he says "what matters more than anything is hospitalisation and death numbers", adding that the link between cases and these figures has been "severely weakened" by the vaccine programme.

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100k cases a day is a huge number of infections. If the vaccines are 90% effective against hospitalisation, that's a lot of people being hospitalised daily and doesn't even take into account those still unvaccinated

[arista]

Sajid is Live now

[Cherie]

at least the poor kids wont have to isolate when they head back to school

or double jabbed people

[arista]

The Education Secretary
is in parliament going through changes

[isolation for double-jabbed and under-18s from 16 August; school bubbles]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-boris-johnson-facemasks-backlash-schools-bubble-isolation-coronavirus-rules-12349015

[Beso]

Sorry guys, I've just done a walk in vaccination, looks like I'm around for a while yet.

[arista]

Sorry guys, I've just done a walk in vaccination, looks like I'm around for a while yet.


Good One

[user104658]

100k cases a day is a huge number of infections. If the vaccines are 90% effective against hospitalisation, that's a lot of people being hospitalised daily and doesn't even take into account those still unvaccinated

I think you might be misunderstanding the stats there bots, 90% effective against hospitalisation doesn’t mean 10% of cases end up in hospital, it means 10% of the proportion of people who would have ended up in hospital without vaccination now end up in hospital, which was already below 20% of cases even when things were at their worst.

In other words, vaccines being 90% effective should mean less than 1% of cases end up in hospital. In theory.

[bots]

I think you might be misunderstanding the stats there bots, 90% effective against hospitalisation doesn’t mean 10% of cases end up in hospital, it means 10% of the proportion of people who would have ended up in hospital without vaccination now end up in hospital, which was already below 20% of cases even when things were at their worst.

In other words, vaccines being 90% effective should mean less than 1% of cases end up in hospital. In theory.

i hope you are right, more than 500,000 new infections a week is a bit troubling to me i have to admit. It's one thing to be vaccinated and feel pretty safe if the infection rate is low, as it has been here, but that volume of daily new cases isn't exactly comforting

[user104658]

i hope you are right, more than 500,000 new infections a week is a bit troubling to me i have to admit. It's one thing to be vaccinated and feel pretty safe if the infection rate is low, as it has been here, but that volume of daily new cases isn't exactly comforting


To be honest true dailies most likely exceeded 100k over winter, it officially hit around 70k and testing still was nowhere near what it is now. I’m also not sure it will hit 100k - though it certainly could. Anyway, as always the true metric is deaths… if you look at the graphs for cases across the whole pandemic you can see deaths increasing and peaking alongside cases in both Spring 2020 and the Winter wave but the cases uptick over the last month has been equally vivid - and yet the deaths graph continues to look almost flat.

The only real risk is a vaccine-resistant mutation which is certainly a possibility and is the main reason we should have waited another month/6 weeks until we get to peak vaccine antibodies in the community but… oh well.

[arista]

Tuesday 6/7/21

37 have died
28,773 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,140

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
369


128,268 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

Food chain Pret says it is now selling its Christmas sandwich - five months early, or seven months late, depending how you look at it - after it was closed over some of the festive period in 2020 because of the pandemic.

Pret says the sandwich will be available to buy for one month.

[Beso]

My wee arms all hurty now.

[arista]

My wee arms all hurty now.


It won't last for long.

[arista]

Fast lab-free COVID-19 test platform DnaNudge
wins prestigious Academy award

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/225733/fast-lab-free-covid-19-test-platform-dnanudge/

[Cherie]

My wee arms all hurty now.

Good :smug:

[bots]

My wee arms all hurty now.

just wait till tomorrow, then you will feel really crap

[Vanessa]

i hope you are right, more than 500,000 new infections a week is a bit troubling to me i have to admit. It's one thing to be vaccinated and feel pretty safe if the infection rate is low, as it has been here, but that volume of daily new cases isn't exactly comforting

It we will have the booster jab in winter. So that should help to manage things

[joeysteele]

Sorry however I'm not impressed already with Javid.
I wasn't when he was Chancellor.
I have a feeling he too just won't listen.

[arista]

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[arista]

Prime Minister
Johnson is due to go into a Parliament Committee at 3:30PM
should be on both news channels.

[arista]

PM is Live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Labour Chris Bryant


Is nailing the PM down.

[arista]

PM said Heat Pumps fitted are 10K in homes
price too high.



You can tell he is going wrong
when every other word is ERR////

[arista]

Wednesday 7/7/21

33 have Died
32,358 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,446

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
393

128,301 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Johnson PM has completed his Parliament Committee
questions


Sad BBC left it at just before 5PM


Only SkyNewsHD stayed with it non stop.

[arista]

[Covid: Heathrow to trial fast-tracking vaccinated arrivals
Two of the world's biggest airlines will trial
fast-track lanes at Heathrow airport for
fully-vaccinated arrivals.
Under the scheme passengers on four routes
will be able to upload their vaccination
status before boarding.]

[The trial by British Airways and Virgin Atlantic comes
as the aviation industry calls for quarantine-free travel
to the UK from lower-risk amber list countries.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps is set
to announce such a scheme this week.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57743038

[Scarlett.]

Hospitalisations starting to climb again...

[arista]

Hospitalisations starting to climb again...

Yes 44% rise
They expect it to climb well higher
after July 19th.

[Zizu]

Soooo when the daily infections are well over 100,000 daily how are the hospitals going to cope with the massive increase in hospitalisations ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

Soooo when the daily infections are well over 100,000 daily how are the hospitals going to cope with the massive increase in hospitalisations ?





Yes hell of a Gamble
Some may be OK
but other Hospitals
could get overloaded
due to the Anti Vax Fools.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5oEJpwWUAQ7w3_?format=jpg&name=small

[Vanessa]

Apparently cases will go up until mid August, then they should fall :skull:

[arista]

GMBHD itv
reports Scotland hospitals
are overloaded with Covid cases
due to lack of staff
who are isolating.

[user104658]

GMBHD itv
reports Scotland hospitals
are overloaded with Covid cases
due to lack of staff
who are isolating.


Worth noting that these are smaller hospitals with small capacity further north (up around Inverness) and also I believe Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, which is a larger hospital but serves a large area. It’s not the larger city hospitals, and it’s not in major population hubs (Lothian, Greater Glasgow, Ayrshire) … yet.

So a bit misleading, poster, your post makes it seem like all/ a lot of hospitals are at capacity, when in reality it’s a handful of smaller hospitals.

[bots]

if we have 100k new infections a day, and its work and commute as normal, those out and about will just end up being pinged by track and trace. There is no way track and trace can work with that number of infections

[AnnieK]

Got my second jab at 11 today...:dance:

[bots]

Got my second jab at 11 today...:dance:

:dance:

[user104658]

if we have 100k new infections a day, and its work and commute as normal, those out and about will just end up being pinged by track and trace. There is no way track and trace can work with that number of infections


People will just remove the app so that proximity contacts don’t flag up and - and this is the part that makes removing lockdown pointless - avoid places like restaurants etc. where they have to register details for track and trace.

[arista]

Transport Secretary
is to announce, more Travel restriction changed today.

[bots]

People will just remove the app so that proximity contacts don’t flag up and - and this is the part that makes removing lockdown pointless - avoid places like restaurants etc. where they have to register details for track and trace.

those registrations are being removed i believe, pretty sure i heard that being said

[user104658]

those registrations are being removed i believe, pretty sure i heard that being said


Im convinced people will just turn off the app/disable Bluetooth to avoid the risk of being pinged as a contact then… so it’ll mainly be “official” contacts (work, school, etc) who have to isolate.

Not great for spread of infection, obviously.

The message that all is well now is getting about I think. I was in a supermarket yesterday (granted, it was an ASDA, where I would never normally go) but there were multiple people not wearing masks, including a group of about 8 teenage boys… and I also counted three shelf-stacking staff not wearing masks or wearing it as a chin strap. :shrug:

[Cherie]

Im convinced people will just turn off the app/disable Bluetooth to avoid the risk of being pinged as a contact then… so it’ll mainly be “official” contacts (work, school, etc) who have to isolate.

Not great for spread of infection, obviously.

The message that all is well now is getting about I think. I was in a supermarket yesterday (granted, it was an ASDA, where I would never normally go) but there were multiple people not wearing masks, including a group of about 8 teenage boys… and I also counted three shelf-stacking staff not wearing masks or wearing it as a chin strap. :shrug:


Honestly it winds me up so much, so much under the nose mask wearing as well, at least those who wear masks after the 19th will wear them properly

[Cherie]

Got my second jab at 11 today...:dance:

did you get AZ Annie, I had no symptoms at all after second jab not even a sore arm :dance:

[arista]

Worth noting that these are smaller hospitals with small capacity further north (up around Inverness) and also I believe Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, which is a larger hospital but serves a large area. It’s not the larger city hospitals, and it’s not in major population hubs (Lothian, Greater Glasgow, Ayrshire) … yet.

So a bit misleading, poster, your post makes it seem like all/ a lot of hospitals are at capacity, when in reality it’s a handful of smaller hospitals.


Scotland Live on BBCnewsHD
Sturgeon is to decide on your changes
next week your little Parliament
Tuesday.

[Cherie]

Scotland Live on BBCnewsHD
Sturgeon is to decide on your changes
next week your little Parliament
Tuesday.

:laugh: you are a tease Arista

[arista]

[Grant Shapps announces double-jabbed Brits can visit
'amber list' countries from July 19 WITHOUT having to
quarantine - but must still take tests on their return
potentially adding HUNDREDS of pounds to costs]

[Children also exempted from the requirements
but PCR tests after two days still needed adding to costs]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9768295/Quarantine-rules-axed-amber-list-double-jabbed-holidaymakers.html

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-quarantine-scrapped-for-fully-vaccinated-adults-returning-from-amber-list-countries-from-19-july-12351524

[AnnieK]

did you get AZ Annie, I had no symptoms at all after second jab not even a sore arm :dance:

Yep all done now. I had only very mild symptoms with the first so hoping this one is the same

[bots]

Im convinced people will just turn off the app/disable Bluetooth to avoid the risk of being pinged as a contact then… so it’ll mainly be “official” contacts (work, school, etc) who have to isolate.

Not great for spread of infection, obviously.

The message that all is well now is getting about I think. I was in a supermarket yesterday (granted, it was an ASDA, where I would never normally go) but there were multiple people not wearing masks, including a group of about 8 teenage boys… and I also counted three shelf-stacking staff not wearing masks or wearing it as a chin strap. :shrug:

I think Boris gave out the message the other day that restrictions were over. Who honestly thinks ... yeah i will adhere to restrictions until 00:01 on the designated day and then seeing that massive crowd waiting to get into/ out of wembley... it was just insane. Granted most people are now less likely to get seriously ill from covid, but I for one will be watching what happens for a month after restrictions are lifted and see how it is all going to go

[arista]

Thursday 8/7/21

35 have died
32,551 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,636


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417


128,336 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Thursday 24/6/21

21 have Died
16,703 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,533

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
246


128,048 Total UK Covid -19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 8/7/21

35 have died
32,551 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,636


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
417


128,336 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Gone back two weeks for comparison

[bots]

every number is close to doubling in that 2 weeks

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/08/10/45187903-9766759-image-a-10_1625737528492.jpg
[[More than 100 top scientists and doctors
have accused Boris Johnson of conducting
a 'dangerous and unethical experiment' by
pressing on with July 19's unlocking.
Among the 122 signatories are,
from top left, Lancet editor Dr Richard Horton,
SAGE member Susan Michie,
Dr Chaand Nagpaul, chairman
of the British Medical Association (BMA) Council.
Former chief scientific adviser Sir David King,
SAGE adviser Stephen Reicher and
Oxford University's Professor Trisha Greenhalgh]


[Unlocking on July 19 is a 'dangerous
and unethical experiment', warn 122 scientists
and doctors including high profile
SAGE members — as NHS already starts cancelling
operations to cope with Covid surge]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9766759/Experts-sign-letter-condemning-Government-s-dangerous-unethical-experiment.html

[arista]

every number is close to doubling in that 2 weeks


Yes The Delta
is spreading faster