Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[DouglasS]

The government have done fantastic this year, they should be proud of themselves, our cases, deaths and hospitalisation have fallen faster than almost any country worldwide - and continue to peak down, meanwhile countries all over Europe are reaching a third peak and deaths are increasing....

Boris and Matt Hancock the UK salute your services and hard work this year. Hopefully things continue to go fantastically as they have been going.

They’ve got so many things right this year, the vaccine supply, the vaccine selections, the operations, the vaccination programme - all very strict and difficult jobs to juggle

[Samm]

4,802 cases today compared to 6,609 last week, going down even with schools open

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.425 new cases

237 new hospitalisations (32 more than yesterday) (2.041 in total)

46 new ICU patients (17 more than yesterday) (579 in total)

46 new deaths

[arista]

19/3/21 Friday

Today 101 deaths

4,802 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
6,544

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
879


126,026 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

4,802 cases today compared to 6,609 last week, going down even with schools open


Friday to Monday numbers are not typical

[Zizu]

The government have done fantastic this year, they should be proud of themselves, our cases, deaths and hospitalisation have fallen faster than almost any country worldwide - and continue to peak down, meanwhile countries all over Europe are reaching a third peak and deaths are increasing....

Boris and Matt Hancock the UK salute your services and hard work this year. Hopefully things continue to go fantastically as they have been going.

They’ve got so many things right this year, the vaccine supply, the vaccine selections, the operations, the vaccination programme - all very strict and difficult jobs to juggle



I’ve always liked Boris ... there’s just something ‘nice’ about him ...

I also think Rushi , Jonathan Van-Tam and Matt Hancock are ‘good men’ .


Then we have Sir Patrick and Chris W making up the SuperSix :)


I wouldn’t trust any of the others ( Labour included) as far as I could spit them

I


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[Zizu]

Friday to Monday numbers are not typical


Mmm ... I’m always regarded Tuesday to Friday inclusive as reliable stats but discounted Sat / Sun / Mon tbh


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[MTVN]

Great numbers today, the week on week decreases in deaths has been amazing recently

[bots]

the vaccine is working no matter how much the EU pretend otherwise

[Nicky91]

the vaccine is working no matter how much the EU pretend otherwise

still me and my parents won't take it

[Samm]

Have seen some articles today, claiming the big Europe increase will lead to us having a third wave? I'm pretty sure it's just fearmongering since half the adult population have at least had one dose. The only time the trend of Europe then us I can think of was during the start in March and then back in October when loads of Europe went back into lockdown and we followed after?

I don't think it was the same during the third lockdown as we had the worst case rate for a while without Europe being affected badly until at least a few weeks after?

[Nicky91]

Have seen some articles today, claiming the big Europe increase will lead to us having a third wave? I'm pretty sure it's just fearmongering since half the adult population have at least had one dose. The only time the trend of Europe then us I can think of was during the start in March and then back in October when loads of Europe went back into lockdown and we followed after?

I don't think it was the same during the third lockdown as we had the worst case rate for a while without Europe being affected badly until at least a few weeks after?

no stay home, it is inevitable there will be a third wave, fourth wave, fifth wave

[Cherie]

still me and my parents won't take it

Does it not reassure you Nicky that everyone who has had it on TiBB along with their relative are still standing?

[MTVN]

Have seen some articles today, claiming the big Europe increase will lead to us having a third wave? I'm pretty sure it's just fearmongering since half the adult population have at least had one dose. The only time the trend of Europe then us I can think of was during the start in March and then back in October when loads of Europe went back into lockdown and we followed after?

I don't think it was the same during the third lockdown as we had the worst case rate for a while without Europe being affected badly until at least a few weeks after?

It does make me a bit nervous that we're reopening just as cases in Europe are starting to get out of control but with all the vaccines, testing and travel restrictions we've got now there's no real reason why we should inevitably follow their path especially when we're still gonna be largely locked down for another few weeks

[Nicky91]

Does it not reassure you Nicky that everyone who has had it on TiBB along with their relative are still standing?

No

it doesn't

maybe you guys kept the good stuff idk, i'm finding this all suspicious no offense

but anyway, if ur vaccinated u can still carry and spread the virus so people should stay home until covid is completely gone or at least flamed/burned out lets say

[bots]

as long as people refuse the vaccine, they will be putting others lives at risk, but each to their own

[Vanessa]

We're on our way back to normal.
If Europe want the same they need to get vaccinating.

[MTVN]

No

it doesn't

maybe you guys kept the good stuff idk, i'm finding this all suspicious no offense

but anyway, if ur vaccinated u can still carry and spread the virus so people should stay home until covid is completely gone or at least flamed/burned out lets say

Course we all know you'll be the most vocal pro-vaccine person on here in approximately 48 hours

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
has a report from Italy.
It's returning to how it was last year.
High Covid infections, again.

[arista]

Nations with over 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths.

540,430 USA deaths
287,499 Brazil deaths
196,606 Mexico deaths
159,370 India deaths
126,263 United Kingdom deaths
104,241 Italy deaths
92,704 Russia deaths
91,833 France deaths
74,464 Germany deaths
72,910 Spain deaths
61,649 Iran deaths
61,636 Colombia deaths
54,386 Argentina deaths
51,724 South Africa deaths
49,706 Peru deaths
48,807 Poland deaths
39,339 Indonesia deaths
31,078 Ukraine deaths
29,864 Turkey deaths
24,331 Czechia deaths
22,624 Belgium deaths
22,594 Canada deaths
22,087 Chile deaths
22,020 Romania deaths
17,841 Hungary deaths
16,754 Portugal deaths
16,378 Netherlands deaths
16,333 Ecuador deaths
13,937 Iraq deaths
13,757 Pakistan deaths
13,262 Sweden deaths
12,900 Philippines deaths
12,028 Bolivia deaths
11,817 Bulgaria deaths
11,472 Eygpt deaths
10,202 Switzerland deaths





https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Vicky.]

I cannot get concerned about a third wave tbh. We could have 10 million infections next month, and it matters not aslong as the vaccines do their job and keep high risk people away from hospitals :shrug: And given how the fall in 'bad cases/deaths' has gone down as vaccinated numbers rose..seems it DOES do what it says on the tin so...panic averted.

Daily cases are not a worry surely, if its basically been rendered as harmless as possible, so just...dare I say it..a cold (in effects..)

[user104658]

Daily cases are not a worry surely, if its basically been rendered as harmless as possible, so just...dare I say it..a cold (in effects..)

For now :umm2:

[Zizu]

Nations with over 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths.

540,430 USA deaths
287,499 Brazil deaths
196,606 Mexico deaths
159,370 India deaths
126,263 United Kingdom deaths
104,241 Italy deaths
92,704 Russia deaths
91,833 France deaths
74,464 Germany deaths
72,910 Spain deaths
61,649 Iran deaths
61,636 Colombia deaths
54,386 Argentina deaths
51,724 South Africa deaths
49,706 Peru deaths
48,807 Poland deaths
39,339 Indonesia deaths
31,078 Ukraine deaths
29,864 Turkey deaths
24,331 Czechia deaths
22,624 Belgium deaths
22,594 Canada deaths
22,087 Chile deaths
22,020 Romania deaths
17,841 Hungary deaths
16,754 Portugal deaths
16,378 Netherlands deaths
16,333 Ecuador deaths
13,937 Iraq deaths
13,757 Pakistan deaths
13,262 Sweden deaths
12,900 Philippines deaths
12,028 Bolivia deaths
11,817 Bulgaria deaths
11,472 Eygpt deaths
10,202 Switzerland deaths





https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html



I thought Denmark would feature in there somewhere especially given their unusual strategy ..

Is it a smaller population than Sweden and Norway ??


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[user104658]

I thought Denmark would feature in there somewhere especially given their unusual strategy ..

Is it a smaller population than Sweden and Norway ??


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Similar to Normay, bout half of Sweden. (5 million and 10 million respectively)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ch4HDnews
has a report from Italy.
It's returning to how it was last year.
High Covid infections, again.

5% are vaccinated there

we have 55%

[arista]

I thought Denmark would feature in there somewhere especially given their unusual strategy ..

Is it a smaller population than Sweden and Norway ??




No Low deaths there, still




2,398 Denmark deaths

[Niamh.]

I cannot get concerned about a third wave tbh. We could have 10 million infections next month, and it matters not aslong as the vaccines do their job and keep high risk people away from hospitals :shrug: And given how the fall in 'bad cases/deaths' has gone down as vaccinated numbers rose..seems it DOES do what it says on the tin so...panic averted.

Daily cases are not a worry surely, if its basically been rendered as harmless as possible, so just...dare I say it..a cold (in effects..)I thought there was a 3rd wave already I'm losing track of time

[Vicky.]

For now :umm2:

Well surely we should assume the vaccine works at least medium term? Like..I know theres talks of boosters and whatnot each year, but...the vaccine/vaccines will keep 'the edge off it' so to speak, as in keeping BAD infections to a minimum...which means...covid simply will not be dangerous to many :shrug: Maybe am putting too much faith in vaccines..but seems to be not bad news really if infection rates rise, but serious illness is kept at bay.

[Zizu]

No Low deaths there, still




2,398 Denmark deaths



Which was the country did things differently from all the other countries ??

Edit ..

Ah it was Sweden seemed to have a different strategy ..

The Scandinavian response to COVID-19 has revealed two differing approaches. Denmark and Norway decided to take preventive measures at a very early stage to stop the virus from spreading in their countries. Sweden, on the other hand, took a much less restrictive approach and neither imposed widespread lockdown measures on the population nor closed shops and public places.

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew4L77QVgAMTvEC?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: health minister Hugo de Jonge will let himself get tested for corona this morning since now it is 72 hours since the corona app warning

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/events-can-be-organised-from-july-as-ministers-set-up-cancellation-fund/

Netherlands: outdoor events such as festivals, concerts, sport matches, congresses can be organised from July, minister set up cancellation fund

[Nicky91]

ok for me personally the countries who are doing a good job in this crisis

South Korea, Australia, New Zealand

but in europe, i like Denmark's approach of extra precaution, Germany does a overall decent job (ok u got anti-maskers not obeying rules but u got that in more countries now sadly) Merkel got good measures (i am sure Letsch will do a decent job too as Merkel's successor since he got same views, opinions basically)

Italy well Draghi made mistakes now with ''saving the economy'' which got them into a surge of new cases but hopefully they can get that down quickly too



as for my own country, Netherlands well i'd wish we go back into more lockdown measures again, i wouldn't mind if they decide now on no audience for ESC since i am not counting on that at all anymore, since u can't trust audience for obeying rules sadly

as for surge in new cases here, easily explained bc of schools, and some of those test events (why on earth did they get the green light :facepalm:)

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew6IzgRXIAMDQKZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Covid: France and Poland increase lockdown
measures as infections surge

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56466223

[Nicky91]

yes and Belgium have postponed easing of some measures due to surge in new cases

https://www.thebulletin.be/belgium-postpones-easing-coronavirus-measures

[arista]

Yes and Belgium have postponed easing of some measures due to surge in new cases

https://www.thebulletin.be/belgium-postpones-easing-coronavirus-measures


And Of Course
Italy already is in a Strict Lockdown.

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew6IzgRXIAMDQKZ?format=jpg&name=900x900



They should name and shame the actual companies who are charging such ridiculous prices - they’re the real criminals imho


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[Vanessa]

I think we're doing a great job with the vaccinations.
If we can keep up we will be back to normal on no time.
I'm so excited for summer now.
I can go to the seaside :dance:

[arista]

[Imran Khan: Pakistan's prime minister tests positive for Covid

Khan probably caught virus during engagements
last week before having vaccine, says information minister]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/20/imran-khan-pakistan-prime-minister-tests-positive-for-covid

[arista]

Another Anti Lockdown Protest
is marching through London.
They are now on Oxford Street.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew7RW9MXMAQfbi0?format=jpg&name=small
Photo by Flygirl on Twitter


1373267801205510156

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/20/14/40715482-9383261-Police_officers_detain_a_demonstrator_in_Hyde_Park _London_during-a-69_1616249187706.jpg
[Police officers detain a demonstrator
in Hyde Park, London,
during a protest against lockdown today]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9383261/Dozens-MPs-write-Priti-Patel-demanding-protests-allowed-Covid-crisis.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/20/14/40716472-9383261-Demonstrators_holding_a_banner_saying_stop_destroy ing_our_kids_l-a-76_1616249187749.jpg



1373276369363337217

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.668 new cases

2.047 total of hospitalisations (an increase of 6 compared to yesterday)

602 total of ICU patients (an increase of 23 compared to yesterday)

18 new deaths

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: biggest winner of elections D66's Sigrid Kaag wants to get rid as fast as possible of the curfew measure, especially when we are getting into summer time next weekend, this is a measure which will cause more trouble then, and it has proven to have not much effect in slowing down the spread either

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/20/14/40716472-9383261-Demonstrators_holding_a_banner_saying_stop_destroy ing_our_kids_l-a-76_1616249187749.jpg







1373276369363337217



Sorry but I just don’t understand why we are allowing or even WANTING to gather in masses whilst we are in such a precarious position.. pandemic-wise


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[Scarlett.]

"Stop destroying our kids lives"
YOU ****HEADS ARE THE REASON WE KEEP HAVING NEW WAVES CAUSE YOU CANT JUST ****ING STAY AT ****ING HOME. TWATS.

[Nicky91]

"Stop destroying our kids lives"
YOU ****HEADS ARE THE REASON WE KEEP HAVING NEW WAVES CAUSE YOU CANT JUST ****ING STAY AT ****ING HOME. TWATS.

+100

[Zizu]

"Stop destroying our kids lives"
YOU ****HEADS ARE THE REASON WE KEEP HAVING NEW WAVES CAUSE YOU CANT JUST ****ING STAY AT ****ING HOME. TWATS.



That’s my stance exactly .. I just haven’t got your way with words :)


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[arista]

Saturday 10/3/21

96 have died

5,587 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
6,162

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
830

126,122 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

"Stop destroying our kids lives"
YOU ****HEADS ARE THE REASON WE KEEP HAVING NEW WAVES CAUSE YOU CANT JUST ****ING STAY AT ****ING HOME. TWATS.



Here’s a LIVE link off the internet ..

Thousands in attendance and hardly a mask in sight .. the comments are also interesting - the viewers aren’t impressed.

The only mask wearers are the police

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeALt9m4/


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[Cherie]

Typo Arista 126...not 162

[arista]

Typo Arista 126...not 162

Thanks Fine Lady


Corrected now

[MTVN]

Well spotted fine lady

[DouglasS]

"Stop destroying our kids lives"
YOU ****HEADS ARE THE REASON WE KEEP HAVING NEW WAVES CAUSE YOU CANT JUST ****ING STAY AT ****ING HOME. TWATS.

Would you say the same for the Sarah Everard protestors and the BLM protestors? Just curious

[Zizu]

Would you say the same for the Sarah Everard protestors and the BLM protestors? Just curious



Well I would ...

There are so many ways to protest nowadays..


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[Scarlett.]

Would you say the same for the Sarah Everard protestors and the BLM protestors? Just curious

The ones at the Sarah Everard "protest" werent protesters, they were at a vigil, wearing masks. As for BLM? I guess, but at least they were protesting for something meaningful, and not being absolute **** for brains who dont believe the virus is real.

[Scarlett.]

Says a lot though, a vigil for a girl who was murdered by the police, broke up violently.

A protest of idiots is allowed to just go ahead without issue.

[Zizu]

The ones at the Sarah Everard "protest" werent protesters, they were at a vigil, wearing masks. As for BLM? I guess, but at least they were protesting for something meaningful, and not being absolute **** for brains who dont believe the virus is real.



There shouldn’t be ANY gatherings in the situation we are in though ..

I’m totally bewildered by it all


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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16886/production/_117649229_thesundaytimes21march.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E9EC/production/_117648895_sundaytelegraph21march.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1862C/production/_117648899_sundaymirror21march.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1380C/production/_117648897_observer21march.jpg

[Nicky91]

There shouldn’t be ANY gatherings in the situation we are in though ..

I’m totally bewildered by it all


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exactly :clap1:


anyone who protests are just selfish morons especially these times

[arista]

Sunday 21/3/21

Today 33 Dead.

5,312 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
6,162

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
830

126,155 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.025 new cases

194 new hospitalisations (2.073 in total)

31 new ICU patients (611 in total)

15 new deaths

[Nicky91]

umm maybe a idea as for the numbers, to let us know how many of daily new cases are younger people or older people?

so we have more insight in weeks to come how hard our hospitalisations, icu numbers will rise or go down

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: our health minister Hugo de Jonge shared the good news his test came back negative so he can go back to parliament to work and the meetings

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/96FF/production/_117655683_mirror22march.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17D77/production/_117655679_dailymail22march.jpg

Also posted on the William thread
for the top bit.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/95D3/production/_117655383_thedailystar22march.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/48DF/production/_117655681_thei22march.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/137EF/production/_117655897_times22march.jpg

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: today another briefing in Catshuis with some of the parliament and RIVM council

tomorrow another covid press conference, no more easing of measures, maybe some extra lockdown measures again (due to surge in new cases now i hope so anyway)

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24471.jpeg

The propensity of large unelected and unaccountable institutions to defend
themselves from critical scrutiny by simply denying responsibility is well
attested in history. Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Cold War-era dissident
author, wrote a short story entitled We Never Make Mistakes to capture this
tendency.

The EU is not a brutal dictatorship like the Soviet Union, but it exhibits a
similar refusal to admit to errors, a self-delusion made even harder to accept
because it is usually accompanied by a sanctimonious insistence that it is
always acting in the best interests of everyone.

This was apparent during the Brexit negotiations, but such was the
controversy caused in this country by the decision to leave the EU that many
Remainers sided with Brussels on almost every issue. Yet even its most
diehard champions must find the extraordinary shenanigans of recent days
hard to fathom, let alone excuse.

On the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme, Mairead McGuinness, the EU finance
commissioner, brooked no criticism of the way the bloc has handled the
vaccine rollout, despite the mess apparent to everyone. While the UK has
inoculated almost half of the adult population, the best any major continental
country has managed is one in 10.

But Ms McGuinness said all the difficulties were someone else’s fault and
denied that unjustified doubts about the safety of the AstraZeneca vaccine
had contributed to a growing hesitancy to take the jab in many EU countries.


This is a major problem because there is a surge in cases on the continent.


In order to rectify an error it is first necessary to admit to one, and yet
Brussels remains unwilling to do so. The outrageous threat to ban exports of
vaccines to the UK, in breach of contractual agreements and intellectual
property rights, raises a whole host of implications.

The failure to vaccinate also risks wrecking Mediterranean tourism for
another summer, since it is clear that no one from the UK will be allowed to
travel there while Covid cases remain high.

As Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, said on Sunday, a grown-up
approach would seek to maximise vaccine production for everyone, but
mature assessment is not much in evidence in Brussels. At a summit later
this week to sort out this serious crisis, which has consequences beyond the
EU’s borders, some sane and sensible voices need to be heard.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/03/22/eu-needs-sane-sensible-voices-end-vaccine-delusions/

[Nicky91]

http://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24471.jpeg

The propensity of large unelected and unaccountable institutions to defend
themselves from critical scrutiny by simply denying responsibility is well
attested in history. Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Cold War-era dissident
author, wrote a short story entitled We Never Make Mistakes to capture this
tendency.

The EU is not a brutal dictatorship like the Soviet Union, but it exhibits a
similar refusal to admit to errors, a self-delusion made even harder to accept
because it is usually accompanied by a sanctimonious insistence that it is
always acting in the best interests of everyone.

This was apparent during the Brexit negotiations, but such was the
controversy caused in this country by the decision to leave the EU that many
Remainers sided with Brussels on almost every issue. Yet even its most
diehard champions must find the extraordinary shenanigans of recent days
hard to fathom, let alone excuse.

On the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme, Mairead McGuinness, the EU finance
commissioner, brooked no criticism of the way the bloc has handled the
vaccine rollout, despite the mess apparent to everyone. While the UK has
inoculated almost half of the adult population, the best any major continental
country has managed is one in 10.

But Ms McGuinness said all the difficulties were someone else’s fault and
denied that unjustified doubts about the safety of the AstraZeneca vaccine
had contributed to a growing hesitancy to take the jab in many EU countries.


This is a major problem because there is a surge in cases on the continent.


In order to rectify an error it is first necessary to admit to one, and yet
Brussels remains unwilling to do so. The outrageous threat to ban exports of
vaccines to the UK, in breach of contractual agreements and intellectual
property rights, raises a whole host of implications.

The failure to vaccinate also risks wrecking Mediterranean tourism for
another summer, since it is clear that no one from the UK will be allowed to
travel there while Covid cases remain high.

As Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, said on Sunday, a grown-up
approach would seek to maximise vaccine production for everyone, but
mature assessment is not much in evidence in Brussels. At a summit later
this week to sort out this serious crisis, which has consequences beyond the
EU’s borders, some sane and sensible voices need to be heard.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/03/22/eu-needs-sane-sensible-voices-end-vaccine-delusions/

and again more fingerpointing towards the EU

of course USA, UK have a better rollout, the elite countries


we are doing ok, and we have our rights to not fully trust AZ

[Crimson Dynamo]

and again more fingerpointing towards the EU

of course USA, UK have a better rollout, the elite countries


we are doing ok, and we have our rights to not fully trust AZ

then EU roll out is a disaster and now you are getting a 3rd wave

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Some countries have also put the economy before health and are now paying the price.

Given deaths are baked in when infections rise, I would imagine Frances' death toll will rocket, given they had 35,000 new infections in one day unfortunately, .

[user104658]

Given deaths are baked in when infections rise, I would imagine Frances' death toll will rocket, given they had 35,000 new infections in one day unfortunately, .

IN THEORY that depends how much of the small proportion they have vaccinated are elderly/vulnerable, the death rate should (again, in theory) be significantly less in proportion to infection rate than pre-vaccine. e.g. if 50% of over-70's are vaccinated you'd expect deaths to be 40%-or-so lower "per 1000 infected" than in previous waves.

In theory.

[user104658]

of course USA, UK have a better rollout, the elite countries


I wouldn't say "elite", maybe "elitist" but I do think there's a stark illustration in all of the Covid stuff when it comes to the actors on The Global Stage. A lot is said about countries being "more equal" with Globalisation etc. in recent years, the end of Empire, etc. but when the **** hits the fan it's the same countries as ever who are first into the lifeboats. I think it shows that little has really changed in any meaningful way. Vaccines happened and the US and UK shot off ahead of the pack. Don't get me wrong I'm grateful to be one of "the lucky few" but it doesn't go unnoticed or without thought that I as a healthy 35 year old male at no realistic Covid risk am within the first 5% of the global population to get a vaccine... and my wife was in the first 0.5%.

[Cherie]

IN THEORY that depends how much of the small proportion they have vaccinated are elderly/vulnerable, the death rate should (again, in theory) be significantly less in proportion to infection rate than pre-vaccine. e.g. if 50% of over-70's are vaccinated you'd expect deaths to be 40%-or-so lower "per 1000 infected" than in previous waves.

In theory.

That is my point, very few have been vaccinated where are you getting that 50% of over 70s have been vaccinated in France?

[bots]

I wouldn't say "elite", maybe "elitist" but I do think there's a stark illustration in all of the Covid stuff when it comes to the actors on The Global Stage. A lot is said about countries being "more equal" with Globalisation etc. in recent years, the end of Empire, etc. but when the **** hits the fan it's the same countries as ever who are first into the lifeboats. I think it shows that little has really changed in any meaningful way. Vaccines happened and the US and UK shot off ahead of the pack. Don't get me wrong I'm grateful to be one of "the lucky few" but it doesn't go unnoticed or without thought that I as a healthy 35 year old male at no realistic Covid risk am within the first 5% of the global population to get a vaccine... and my wife was in the first 0.5%.

remember that across europe they were not vaccinating any elderly with AZ and the quantity of pfizer was next to zero and they have a lot of remote regions that they couldnt get pfizer too ... they really have ****ed up

[Marsh.]

That is my point, very few have been vaccinated where are you getting that 50% of over 70s have been vaccinated in France?

"e.g." means "example".

[Cherie]

"e.g." means "example".

what do I need an example for, the little lady here knows how it works :crazy:

the bottom line is more infections will mean more deaths, as the vaccination roll out has been slow

[Marsh.]

what do I need an example for, the little lady here knows how it works :crazy:

You asked where he got the figure from. As an example, it wasn't an actual figure. :hee:

[user104658]

That is my point, very few have been vaccinated where are you getting that 50% of over 70s have been vaccinated in France?

You will notice that I said "in theory" 3 times in that post.

[Nicky91]

then EU roll out is a disaster and now you are getting a 3rd wave

:facepalm:

yeah so

we are doing the best we can

3rd wave was always just inevitable, we'll also get a 4th wave, and a 5th wave likely

[Nicky91]

what do I need an example for, the little lady here knows how it works :crazy:

the bottom line is more infections will mean more deaths, as the vaccination roll out has been slow

no, not necessarily

since we don't know the age group in the new surge of infections

since healthy younger people don't die of covid

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

6.340 new cases (lower than average)

167 new hospitalisations (2.193 in total)

50 new ICU patients (638 in total)

15 new deaths

[Cherie]

no, not necessarily

since we don't know the age group in the new surge of infections

since healthy younger people don't die of covid

It equated to more deaths here as young people transfer the virus to their older family members, don’t think the disease works differently in France

[Nicky91]

It equated to more deaths here as young people transfer the virus to their older family members, don’t think the disease works differently in France

true, fair points made

so we just need to shield elderly and most vulnerable some more, this is how you also can bring numbers down

[Cherie]

true, fair points made

so we just need to shield elderly and most vulnerable some more, this is how you also can bring numbers down

That was true a year ago, now vaccination is the key before the bloody thing mutates out of control again

[Nicky91]

That was true a year ago, now vaccination is the key before the bloody thing mutates out of control again

no since u cannot force people to vaccinate, it should always remain people's own choice

but tbh as long as you vaccinate the elderly and more vulnerable risk groups then its ok

[arista]

Monday 22/3/21

Today 17 Died

5,342 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
6,162

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
830


126,172 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[hijaxers]

true, fair points made

so we just need to shield elderly and most vulnerable some more, this is how you also can bring numbers down

How do yu fancy a decade of being shut in , you won't be safe unvaccinated.

[Cherie]

Monday 22/3/21

Today 17 Died

5,342 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
6,162

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
830


126,172 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 15/3/21

64 Deaths today

5,089 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,029

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,110

125,580 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


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.

[Nicky91]

going slightly up comparing last and this monday as for new cases, but only slightly

ICU & hospitalisations are down a lot when you look at that comparison

[Nicky91]

How do yu fancy a decade of being shut in , you won't be safe unvaccinated.

covid will continue to exist for next 10 years anyway

[AnnieK]

going slightly up comparing last and this monday as for new cases, but only slightly

ICU & hospitalisations are down a lot when you look at that comparison

Schools returning and increased testing was always going to drive cases up. Thankfully everything else still going in the right direction.

[Crimson Dynamo]

-4eb2BbFLUg

[Zizu]

Schools returning and increased testing was always going to drive cases up. Thankfully everything else still going in the right direction.



Although ... increased new infections will equate to higher hospitalisations and deaths .. presumably


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[AnnieK]

Although ... increased new infections will equate to higher hospitalisations and deaths .. presumably


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Not necessarily....they could be asymptomatic cases which have been picked up by increased testing, it could be younger people who recover well etc etc......I only tend to take note of hospital admissions and deaths now.

[bots]

Although ... increased new infections will equate to higher hospitalisations and deaths .. presumably


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that all changes on vaccination. The hospitalisation rate after infection should tend toward zero. We have already 1 dosed 50% of the population and probably > 95% of those who would normally be susceptible to hospitalisation, so the number hospitalised should be around 5% of what it was previously. Also, while we don't have herd immunity yet, we do have a significant degree of immunity within the population now, it should be a lot more difficult for the virus to find a new host

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[arista]

Coronavirus: How the common cold can boot out Covid


[The virus that causes the common cold
can effectively boot the Covid virus out
of the body's cells, say researchers.
Some viruses are known to compete
in order to be the one that causes an infection.

And University of Glasgow scientists say it appears
cold-causing rhinovirus trumps coronavirus.
The benefits might be short-lived,
but rhinovirus is so widespread they add
it could still help to suppress Covid.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

[arista]

Germany to enter a Strict Lockdown

BBC Reports.

[Nicky91]

Germany to enter a Strict Lockdown

BBC Reports.

yes until April 18th at least

[Cherie]

Coronavirus: How the common cold can boot out Covid


[The virus that causes the common cold
can effectively boot the Covid virus out
of the body's cells, say researchers.
Some viruses are known to compete
in order to be the one that causes an infection.

And University of Glasgow scientists say it appears
cold-causing rhinovirus trumps coronavirus.
The benefits might be short-lived,
but rhinovirus is so widespread they add
it could still help to suppress Covid.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

no one has the opportunity to catch a cold these days

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: so today we got press conference


but one of our leading doctors, Ernst Kuipers had said we need to copy UK's vaccine rollout approach and try to at least give everyone a first dose

since our daily 20.000 vaccinations is nothing compared to 900.000 jabs a day in UK

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: what we can expect from Rutte and De Jonge's press conference, media sources say

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/foreign-travel-ruled-out-until-may-sources-say-ahead-of-covid-press-conference/

*Foreign Travel ruled out

*Curfew might be a little later beginning at 22:00 PM more to combat illegal partying by youth at night (also because of summer time going in this weekend)

and also what Outbreak Management Team official Diederik Gommers said: ‘I should have said it louder, but we should have been stimulating people to take part in sports outdoors and that should have been the first of the rules to be relaxed,’ he said. Taking exercise, eating well, sleeping properly and losing weight all have a preventative impact on the virus

[arista]

At 10AM
Radio 5
LBC
ITV1HD this morning

ALL the same boring topic.
A year reviews of Covid.


No
Not good enough
Move on to new news

[Vanessa]

I think if we keep vaccinating we will be ok.
It's the only way to fight back, really.

[user104658]

no one has the opportunity to catch a cold these days

Poor Rhinovirus, yet another victim of Covid.

[arista]

This Paper From January 31st 2020


The start of Covid-19 called Killer Flu.

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExJmK-zW8AAxh2t?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Crimson Dynamo]

I note Merkel?EU is constantly talking about a UK variant yet when Trump called it the China virus everyone was up in arms?

[Strictly Jake]

no one has the opportunity to catch a cold these days

we have! Kids caught it from either my sons nursery or my daughters school so we have all had a cold for the past week. If it keeps off covid then that's good

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – The EU has failed its constituent states and their citizens catastrophically. The Commission failed to order sufficient Covid vaccine supplies and there were delays in contracts and European Medicines Agency approvals. To top it all, idiotic lies were told by leaders in France and Germany saying the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did not work in the older age groups, or not at all.

This delay and the loss of trust by EU citizens will result in tens of thousands more deaths, sickness and pressure on health services which could have been avoided.

Emeritus Prof Colin Brown FRCP
Sheffield, South Yorkshire

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – Ursula von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission, threatens to infringe vaccine intellectual property patent rights.

She appears to forget the principal purpose of having such rights enshrined in law, recognised in almost all countries. The benefit derived for all is that they provide time to perfect the science for the common good. Typically, it takes many years to arrive at a useful result that works well. The risk of the investment is that it doesn’t work. The law provides a limited monopoly to encourage this undertaking. At the end of the monopoly (20-25 years, depending upon the branch of science) anyone may use that patent without charge.

To destroy this principle of risk and reward will do immense damage to the pursuit of the common good around the world.

William Blake
Craven Arms, Shropshire

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – Could Boris Johnson stop calling the EU our European friends? It has repeatedly demonstrated it is not.

To block life-saving vaccines because it didn’t get its own orders in time, to propose stealing the patent and to stop exports under Article 122 all show the EU for what it is.

Alison Thomas
Leatherhead, Surrey

all DT

[bots]

why have 1 post when you can say it in 3 :laugh:

[arista]

SIR – Could Boris Johnson stop calling the EU our European friends? It has repeatedly demonstrated it is not.

To block life-saving vaccines because it didn’t get its own orders in time, to propose stealing the patent and to stop exports under Article 122 all show the EU for what it is.

Alison Thomas
Leatherhead, Surrey

all DT


No Johnson will use Friends
as he is the PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

why have 1 post when you can say it in 3 :laugh:

i think we have the space and its easier to read for the twitter generation:hee:

[Cherie]

we have! Kids caught it from either my sons nursery or my daughters school so we have all had a cold for the past week. If it keeps off covid then that's good

aw bet you were never more happy to get a cold lol

[Cherie]

I note Merkel?EU is constantly talking about a UK variant yet when Trump called it the China virus everyone was up in arms?

like literally you could not make this shiz up :laugh:

[arista]

5PM Live 10 Downing St

Prime Minister/Whitty/Valance

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio5
LBC
Times Radio DAB.

[Nicky91]

I note Merkel?EU is constantly talking about a UK variant yet when Trump called it the China virus everyone was up in arms?

because it is the UK variant which is most dangerous at the moment

[bots]

because it is the UK variant which is most dangerous at the moment

The correct name for the variant is B117, not the uk variant

[Cherie]

because it is the UK variant which is most dangerous at the moment

and it was the Chinese variant last March that was most dangerous, but we couldn't mention that...

anyway it is the SA variant that is rising in France

[Nicky91]

and it was the Chinese variant last March that was most dangerous, but we couldn't mention that...

anyway it is the SA variant that is rising in France

yes SA variant also very dangerous

[arista]

Tuesday 23/3/21

Today 112 have died

5,379 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
5,461

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
748

126,284Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[DouglasS]

Tuesday 16/3/21

Today 110 died

5,294 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,281

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,016


125,690 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 23/3/21

Today 112 have died

5,379 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
5,461

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
748

126,284Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


First time deaths have gone up a week on, although likely just an anomaly because the number of people in hospitals is 33% down as is the number of people on ventilators as expected, meaning the statistics are staying the same, as death rises would follow after a rise of hospital admissions and ventilators

[Vanessa]

First time deaths have gone up a week on, although likely just an anomaly because the number of people in hospitals is 33% down as is the number of people on ventilators as expected, meaning the statistics are staying the same, as death rises would follow after a rise of hospital admissions and ventilators

Yes, hospitalisations are way down.
So it's all.gpod.

[Nicky91]

hope measures aren't being eased too much in UK


i mean, it is fab that 28 million have had their first dose, however it only prevents you from landing in hospital (or on ventilator)

they should still be very careful, since these people can still get the virus and spread it onto those who are unvaccinated


but i guess you could think of reopening some things now for economy sake (but under strict health protocols) for example Zoo's who have been struggling in coronacrisis, but with strict rules i mean washing hands with special handgel, still wearing of face masks and distancing

so yeah Boris good luck for press conference, hope you and your team made the right decisions

[Vanessa]

We have to open up, we've been on lockdown for three months now.
I think we'll be ok.
As long as we keep vaccinating hospitals won't be overrun.

[arista]

LIVE now
10 Downing Street

Prime Minister/Whitty/Vallance

[arista]

[17:15 :Antibodies are holding up - but autumn booster
jabs may be needed

Tim from Northampton asks a question about
how long antibodies last for and if it means
that vulnerable groups vaccinated first will
need to be prioritised for a second
vaccination cycle before young people
have even had their first jab.

Sir Patrick Vallance says in general
antibody levels are "holding up".

He says: "We don't know exactly how long
because obviously people haven't been
vaccinated for a very long period.
So you may see some slight decline.
But on the whole, antibody levels are holding up."

He says there will be a need to think about booster jabs in the autumn.]

[Vanessa]

[17:15 :Antibodies are holding up - but autumn booster
jabs may be needed

Tim from Northampton asks a question about
how long antibodies last for and if it means
that vulnerable groups vaccinated first will
need to be prioritised for a second
vaccination cycle before young people
have even had their first jab.

Sir Patrick Vallance says in general
antibody levels are "holding up".

He says: "We don't know exactly how long
because obviously people haven't been
vaccinated for a very long period.
So you may see some slight decline.
But on the whole, antibody levels are holding up."

He says there will be a need to think about booster jabs in the autumn.]
Yes, I think a booster jab is a good idea.
It would avoid a winter wave.

[Zizu]

Yes, I think a booster jab is a good idea.

It would avoid a winter wave.



How though ... it’s gonna take about 6 months to vaccinate everyone who needs it .. we can’t just physically vaccinate everyone with a new jab in October


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[arista]

Briefing Ended Fast.

[Vanessa]

How though ... it’s gonna take about 6 months to vaccinate everyone who needs it .. we can’t just physically vaccinate everyone with a new jab in October


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I think vulnerable people should definitely get it.
Won't be possible for everyone, I think.

[Nicky91]

I think vulnerable people should definitely get it.
Won't be possible for everyone, I think.

elderly and vulnerable should again get priority, otherwise you would still go back to numbers in a surge again

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: press conference starts in a moment

all hopes for easing of measures has gone away now sadly with this third wave

so will be a depressing press conference for the people here :(

[arista]

Typical BBC Sophie Raworth
just asked Labour MP Jonathan Ashworth
on poor housing.

But Failed to mention the
Worse in Croydon (mentioned on the briefing)
are under Labour

[Vanessa]

elderly and vulnerable should again get priority, otherwise you would still go back to numbers in a surge again

Yes definitely.

[arista]

Covid: Banksy painting raises £14.4m for NHS charities

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-56497104

[Vanessa]

Covid: Banksy painting raises £14.4m for NHS charities

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-56497104

That's beautiful :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's time he put the Two Ronnies and all his other advisers back in their boxes. Some of
these professional Jeremiahs are already droning on about masks and social distancing
being mandatory for years to come. The PM has to rediscover and unleash the Inner
Boris which has served him so well, and got him out of innumerable scrapes over the
years.

The less said about his early, flailing response to Covid the better.
The fact that he himself was almost mortally afflicted has undoubtedly affected his
subsequent judgment and may explain his reluctance to take calculated risks. We get it.


For 12 seemingly interminable months, the British people have largely endured the
privations and restrictions with commendable stoicism, resignation and good humour.
But patience is running out. The country can't take, or afford, another ruinous spring

and summer of stop-start lockdowns.

We will forgive the Prime Minister's early mistakes, but he won't be forgiven
if he dithers any longer, particularly as deaths fell yesterday to just 17. Britain needs to get back to
normal — pre-Covid normal — now, before it is too late.

Boris has been handed his get-out-of-jail card. Churchill was floundering until the Spitfire squadrons came to his rescue.

The vaccines are Boris's Spitfires. He's already winning the Battle of Britain. It's time for
him to abandon the air raid shelter, sound the all-clear and win the war.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9390867/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-year-ago-Britain-went-hiding-not-use-vaccine-success-free.html

[Zizu]

Typical BBC Sophie Raworth
just asked Labour MP Jonathan Ashworth
on poor housing.

But Failed to mention the
Worse in Croydon (mentioned on the briefing)
are under Labour



Jonathan Ashworth is a complete imbecile ... imho


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/lockdown-extended-and-no-foreign-holidays-till-may-ministers-confirm/

Netherlands: Lockdown extended until April 20th, no foreign holidays


Staying home

Rutte also again urged on people to keep to the rules. ‘Less than half of people who have symptoms are staying at home,’ he said. ‘But if you stick to the rules, you are helping hospitals, schools and so on… Our behaviour is the fastest way to relax the rules,’ he said.

Rutte and De Jonge will hold their next press conference on April 13.


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: the press conference of last night its viewer ratings is 5 million which is less than the one from March 8th when 5.5 million people tuned in

[Nicky91]

Janssen/J&J vaccine to deliver 170.000 doses to Netherlands by end of april

https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/24/janssen-deliver-170000-vaccines-nl-end-april


also Eurovision organizers EBU & AVROTROS, NOS, NPO, and the dutch football FA (KNVB) hopeful after last nights covid press conference (more bits of light at the end of this long lockdown tunnel) so if all goes well a scenario B with some audience for ESC might still be possible, and also maybe possible for dutch football to have some audience again too

https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/24/eurovision-dutch-football-hopeful-covid-press-conference

[arista]

Germany has cancelled the Lockdown


BBC Politics Live
BBC2HD

[bots]

Germany has cancelled the Lockdown


BBC Politics Live
BBC2HD

did the numbers improve overnight or did the regions tell Merkell to shove it?

[arista]

did the numbers improve overnight or did the regions tell Merkell to shove it?


Yes its the Regions
not going to shut down.


Massive U Turn
Merkell claims it was her error alone.

[Nicky91]

ugh those annoying regional leaders over there :fist:

[Nicky91]

if numbers are going in a surge now, the regional leaders to blame over there

[Nicky91]

Germany could've better still kept their lockdown like Netherlands and Belgium, and let people stay home and work from home more, and speed up vaccination rollout


i love the message from our health minister De Jonge, quite a morale boost ''if we do our best now, we might be able to have more freedom by May and summer''

[Cherie]

I read that the Spanish Islands are going to let German tourists visit over Easter

[Cherie]

Germany could've better still kept their lockdown like Netherlands and Belgium, and let people stay home and work from home more, and speed up vaccination rollout


i love the message from our health minister De Jonge, quite a morale boost ''if we do our best now, we might be able to have more freedom by May and summer''

sounds like he is getting on top of things Nicky :clap1:

[arista]

Johnson PM is Live both news channels
Select Committee

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.624 new cases (an increase of 1.999 compared to yesterday)

total of hospital numbers slightly decreased from (2.198 yesterday) to (2.187 today)

625 total of ICU patients (increase of 2 compared to yesterday)

31 new deaths



number of care homes where there have been reports of new cases keeps decreasing, now at 232, compared to 273 last week

[arista]

Labour's Yvette Cooper MP
just asked the PM
why are we not testing all those that have come from France?
With the South African Variant

The PM agree's
and is looking at it.

But he is Concerned about all
the Meds and Foods that come in from France


This is rare the PM doing this live


Select Committee Live both news channels.


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[arista]

Wednesday 24/3/21

Today 98 died

5,605 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
5,407

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
711

126,382 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Weds 17/3/21

Today 141 died.

5,758 have caught Covid-29.


Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,218

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
968

125,831Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Wednesday 24/3/21

Today 98 died

5,605 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
5,407

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
711

126,382 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


.

[bots]

and thats after the schools opened and the amount of testing rocketed, so it's very encouraging

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210324/germany-considers-temporary-ban-on-foreign-tourism/

Germany considering temporary ban on foreign tourism

[Zizu]

and thats after the schools opened and the amount of testing rocketed, so it's very encouraging



True


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[Vanessa]

Good to see things continue to improve.
As long as we keep vaccinating we will be ok.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/vaccination-campaign-will-speed-up-minister-says-as-stockpiles-mount/

Netherlands: vaccination campaign will speed up


The Netherlands is changing its vaccination strategy to speed up efforts to protect people in the 65 to 75 age group, health minister Hugo de Jonge has told MPs in a briefing, following mounting criticism of the slow speed at which progress is being made.

From now on, people in this age group will also be eligible for the AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines, alongside the Pfizer jab, De Jonge said.

The Dutch health council has said that the AstraZeneca vaccine is a good option for people over the age of 65, reversing its earlier position.

From the second half of April, people in the 70 to 74 age group will be invited to set up an appointment for their first vaccination and from the end of the month, it will be the turn of 65 to 69-year-olds, De Jonge said.

There is continuing concern about the Dutch vaccination campaign, which was the last within the EU start. Supply issues and a temporary halt to the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine over health concerns have only added to the problems.

Stockpiles

MPs have also urged the government to speed up the process, demanding to know why the Netherlands is at the bottom of the vaccination score card while stockpiles are mounting.

‘How in God’s name is the Netherlands once again one of the slowest countries in Europe?’ far right leader Geert Wilders said during Wednesday’s debate.

Hundreds of thousands of vaccine doses are currently stockpiled, and De Jonge has pledged they will be used up quickly.

And he maintains that if supplies hold up, everyone over the age of 18 will have had their first injection by the beginning of July.
.

[Nicky91]

as for Germany, the easter ''lockdown'' which was reversed, well some parties/regional leaders didn't want to decide on a different holiday break for the public, so its best to give people their easter holiday break

so its more just a economical decision, otherwise they would've had to remove few days of normal working days for a alternate holiday break, not good for economy


as for Merkel and government, well nothing is out of control, or at least still on schedule but they like to hurry now with vaccinating too, 6 million is decent but they are also aware of how well UK has done so far


Letsch (likely to be Merkel's successor) was also at the news last night over there, and he defended Merkel's decision to reverse and give in to regional leaders at this time, more not to create more chaos, but to try and create more trust and unity against corona

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.740 new cases (more than week average of 7.035)

249 new hospitalisations 30 more than yesterday (2.192 in total)

34 new ICU patients 3 less than yesterday (619 in total)

25 new deaths

[arista]

Thursday 25/3/21

Today 63 have Died

6,397 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
5,122

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
683

126,455 Total UK Deaths.



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

those are good mid week figures

[Cherie]

Thursday 18/3/21

Today 95 deaths

6,303 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,218

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
968

125,926 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Thursday 25/3/21

Today 63 have Died

6,397 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
5,122

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
683

126,455 Total UK Deaths.



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Cherie]

those are good mid week figures

63 is low considering most of those will have died of other things I would imagine

[Zizu]

those are good mid week figures



Again over 6,000 new infections today ..

I still recall that eminent virologist saying that the accepted number of daily new infections HAS to be under 100 before we can even think that we’ve got the pandemic under control


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[MTVN]

6,000 seems quite high but when you consider that we carried out 1.8 million tests then the positive case rate is absolutely tiny

[arista]

6,000 seems quite high but when you consider that we carried out 1.8 million tests then the positive case rate is absolutely tiny


Yes but all that come from Infected France
are Not tested.


Johnson is Failing on this 100%

[user104658]

Again over 6,000 new infections today ..

I still recall that eminent virologist saying that the accepted number of daily new infections HAS to be under 100 before we can even think that we’ve got the pandemic under control


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I can't believe he would have said "before it's under control" and can only imagine he said "before we have a chance of eliminating Covid-19".

Daily new infections are never going to be under 100/day, the chances of completely eliminating Covid-19 were zero by the end of the first week of March 2020.

The pandemic will be "under control" when the disease is a low-level endemic mild illness that results in very few severe cases or deaths, as with countless other viruses. We may need repeated boosters for years. Eventually as a species we'll develop an increased natural resistance.

Although we'll all be dead by then anyway because of all the fishing! #seaspiracy.

[Zizu]

I can't believe he would have said "before it's under control" and can only imagine he said "before we have a chance of eliminating Covid-19".



Daily new infections are never going to be under 100/day, the chances of completely eliminating Covid-19 were zero by the end of the first week of March 2020.



The pandemic will be "under control" when the disease is a low-level endemic mild illness that results in very few severe cases or deaths, as with countless other viruses. We may need repeated boosters for years. Eventually as a species we'll develop an increased natural resistance.



Although we'll all be dead by then anyway because of all the fishing! #seaspiracy.



He did say that the accepted cut off point in the world of virology - to start easing off from a pandemic situation was under 100 new infections daily


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXGIP6VcAAiMum?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXEY1hUYAEZ4ji?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXEY1iVEAAhcMD?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXGIP6VcAAiMum?format=jpg&name=small

oh Macron :facepalm: yeah because you can't put the blame on your own way too vaccine hesitant people

ugh, very easy to just finger point at the EU :bored:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1375347537180160000

[Nicky91]

Czech Republic, Poland few of worst now, northern italy too, north of france, sweden too

ireland one area in brown, most in yellow

[Cherie]

6,000 seems quite high but when you consider that we carried out 1.8 million tests then the positive case rate is absolutely tiny

We hear so little about testing numbers now I had no idea that many were being carried out

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXGIP6VcAAiMum?format=jpg&name=small

No blame on himself for ridiculing a vaccine in an already vaccine hesitant company :facepalm:

[bots]

i still can't fathom how the EU think they can blame AZ when they first said it wasn't suitable for the over 65's and then stopped it's use over safety concerns

It's also notable that the netherlands and belgium both vetoed the export ban that the EU wanted to implement, and they are the countries with the AZ manufacturing plants :laugh:

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/nl-goes-along-with-eu-vaccination-approach-says-dispute-with-uk-near-an-end/

Netherlands goes along with EU vaccination approach


''EU leaders were also unhappy with calls by Austria for a bigger share of the EU jabs. ‘At this moment it is difficult to conclude that Austria has an issue now,’ Rutte said after the meeting.''


''Commission president Ursula von der Leyen told the meeting that the EU is on track to vaccinate 70% of its adult population by the summer. Some 88 million vaccine doses have been delivered to the EU so far and 62 million have been administered, she said.''

[Cherie]

i still can't fathom how the EU think they can blame AZ when they first said it wasn't suitable for the over 65's and then stopped it's use over safety concerns

It's also notable that the netherlands and belgium both vetoed the export ban that the EU wanted to implement, and they are the countries with the AZ manufacturing plants :laugh:

And now will give it to over 55s only (France)

[Vicky.]

Daily new infections are never going to be under 100/day, the chances of completely eliminating Covid-19 were zero by the end of the first week of March 2020.


Way before that really. Had been floating about for absolutely ages before anyone clicked on that it was 'a thing'. Fairly sure the horse had bolted before we even woke up.


The pandemic will be "under control" when the disease is a low-level endemic mild illness that results in very few severe cases or deaths, as with countless other viruses. We may need repeated boosters for years. Eventually as a species we'll develop an increased natural resistance.

Definitely agree with this. Once deaths and hospitalisations are very low..switching back to 'infection rate' to make it seem worse.. is nothing but scaremongering to me at this stage. Infections rates hardly matter if a 'bad' infection is rare really. Would be kind of like tracking/publicizing the number of people with noro, because 1/5000 people could potentially get very very ill from it :S

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1375441769198915587

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.644 new cases

240 new hospitalisations 9 less than yesterday (2.221 in total)

44 new ICU patients 10 more than yesterday (625 in total)

25 new deaths

[arista]

Friday 26/3/21

Today 70 have died

6,187 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
4,852


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
630





126,515 Total UK Deaths



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

19/3/21 Friday

Today 101 deaths

4,802 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
6,544

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
879


126,026 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Friday 26/3/21

Today 70 have died

6,187 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
4,852


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
630





126,515 Total UK Deaths



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Nicky91]

ooh not good that increase for you guys today, from 4k new cases last week to 6k this week

[AnnieK]

ooh not good that increase for you guys today, from 4k new cases last week to 6k this week

Its just the schools returning and massive testing protocols starting. I don't take much notice of cases, its hospital admittance and ICU patients that matter now and those numbers are dropping rapidly

[Zizu]

ooh not good that increase for you guys today, from 4k new cases last week to 6k this week



6000+ may sound good to some given how many new infections we WERE getting BUT it’s still over 2 MILLION new infections per year ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The rate being stable, as it has been, may mean that schools returning has so far added
around ten per cent to daily case numbers. Or perhaps instead the effects of people
drifting back to the office and going to see families post-vaccination are increasing. It is
unclear. Case numbers are now vastly lower than they were in early January and
continue to drift further down. As the weather warms up and as the effects of ever-more
vaccinations kick in, that rate of decline is likely to accelerate. The relaxations of 29
March and Step 2 on 12 April will doubtless each see some impact on R.

But with around 60 per cent of us now having some protection, via vaccination or past
infection, there is only much more modest scope for the virus to spread. Should the
current wave on the Continent produce some unexpected vaccine escape variant,
things may change. But as things stand in the UK, cases are still contracting and there
is as yet nothing in the data to suggest they will not continue to do so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/26/sober-examination-covid-data-reveals-no-reason-panic/

[AnnieK]

The rate being stable, as it has been, may mean that schools returning has so far added
around ten per cent to daily case numbers. Or perhaps instead the effects of people
drifting back to the office and going to see families post-vaccination are increasing. It is
unclear. Case numbers are now vastly lower than they were in early January and
continue to drift further down. As the weather warms up and as the effects of ever-more
vaccinations kick in, that rate of decline is likely to accelerate. The relaxations of 29
March and Step 2 on 12 April will doubtless each see some impact on R.

But with around 60 per cent of us now having some protection, via vaccination or past
infection, there is only much more modest scope for the virus to spread. Should the
current wave on the Continent produce some unexpected vaccine escape variant,
things may change. But as things stand in the UK, cases are still contracting and there
is as yet nothing in the data to suggest they will not continue to do so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/26/sober-examination-covid-data-reveals-no-reason-panic/

Good article....thanks for posting :love:

[Nicky91]

Good article....thanks for posting :love:

don't quote members who i have on ignore pls otherwise i still see their posts

[bots]

i think we have genuine cause for optimism after a year of misery. Bet we now have a crappy wet summer :laugh:

[bots]

don't quote members who i have on ignore pls otherwise i still see their posts

annie doesnt know what members you choose to ignore

[AnnieK]

don't quote members who i have on ignore pls otherwise i still see their posts

I have no idea who you have on ignore and will quote whoever I want :laugh:

[AnnieK]

i think we have genuine cause for optimism after a year of misery. Bet we now have a crappy wet summer :laugh:

After the glorious weather we had last year in lockdown when we couldn't really enjoy it, you're probably right :laugh:

[Marsh.]

don't quote members who i have on ignore pls otherwise i still see their posts

:joker:

[Scarlett.]

Its just the schools returning and massive testing protocols starting. I don't take much notice of cases, its hospital admittance and ICU patients that matter now and those numbers are dropping rapidly

We will have to see the effect these rises of cases have on hospital admittance/ICU patients over the next few weeks, hopefully they will be lower with the vaccine

[Cherie]

don't quote members who i have on ignore pls otherwise i still see their posts

:clap1: :hehe:

[AnnieK]

We will have to see the effect these rises of cases have on hospital admittance/ICU patients over the next few weeks, hopefully they will be lower with the vaccine

I'm hoping that a lot will be asymptomatic or mild cases on the groups who have yet to be vaccinated and those who the virus is usually not as dangerous :fc:

[AnnieK]

:clap1: :hehe:

:shrug:

[Nicky91]

good, back on topic


umm you can be positive about hospitalisations, ICU numbers decreasing fair enough


but i'm only pointing out the new cases numbers also remain important


we in NL got well over 7k now, yes also thx to schools probably, and also i blame it on anti-lockdown protests some of those who also do not wear face masks

but no reason for panic i think if we just speed up vaccinations now

[Cherie]

:shrug:

Joke :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

don't quote members who i have on ignore pls otherwise i still see their posts

:joker:

:clap1: :hehe:

:shrug:

https://i.gifer.com/7gFw.gif

[Cherie]

https://i.gifer.com/7gFw.gif

I have Mr Spocks expression on my face right now :laugh:

[Beso]

Nicky bum fluff...am I on ignore?

[Zizu]

The rate being stable, as it has been, may mean that schools returning has so far added

around ten per cent to daily case numbers. Or perhaps instead the effects of people

drifting back to the office and going to see families post-vaccination are increasing. It is

unclear. Case numbers are now vastly lower than they were in early January and

continue to drift further down. As the weather warms up and as the effects of ever-more

vaccinations kick in, that rate of decline is likely to accelerate. The relaxations of 29

March and Step 2 on 12 April will doubtless each see some impact on R.



But with around 60 per cent of us now having some protection, via vaccination or past

infection, there is only much more modest scope for the virus to spread. Should the

current wave on the Continent produce some unexpected vaccine escape variant,

things may change. But as things stand in the UK, cases are still contracting and there

is as yet nothing in the data to suggest they will not continue to do so.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/26/sober-examination-covid-data-reveals-no-reason-panic/



Has the rate gone up 10% ??

As if it was going DOWN rather quickly but now it’s UP 10% doesn’t that suggest a far higher increase rate than just 10% ?


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[arista]

The 14 Nations with High Covid Deaths


547,630 USA deaths
303,462 Brazil deaths
200,211 Mexico deaths
160,949 India deaths
126,755 United Kingdom deaths
107,256 Italy deaths
95,410 Russia deaths
94,432 France deaths
75,719 Germany deaths
75,010 Spain deaths
62,519 Colombia deaths
62,223 Iran deaths
55,092 Argentina deaths
52,535 South Africa deaths




https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

The 14 Nations with High Covid Deaths


547,630 USA deaths
303,462 Brazil deaths
200,211 Mexico deaths
160,949 India deaths
126,755 United Kingdom deaths
107,256 Italy deaths
95,410 Russia deaths
94,432 France deaths
75,719 Germany deaths
75,010 Spain deaths
62,519 Colombia deaths
62,223 Iran deaths
55,092 Argentina deaths
52,535 South Africa deaths




https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

meaningless stats as no one country adopts the same way to record and the tinpot ones are not to be trusted

[Cherie]

meaningless stats as no one country adopts the same way to record and the tinpot ones are not to be trusted

Germany has over taken Spain? somethings not right with these figures

[Zizu]

What’s the deal with over 70’s ( so far ) being given a third Covid 19 jab in September- to boost their immunity !?!?

After just 6 or 7 months they need boosting ?

Where does that leave the rest of us under 70s ??

I thought the first jab gave around 70%+ and more or less ensure you won’t die or need ventilation then the second jab pushed up the % to 85 or 90% - until next year ??

I’m confused ..



Edit

Sky News discussing this now ..

The suggestion is that the government are expecting/preparing for a THIRD wave in September ..

France currently getting 42,000 new cases per day , Germany 22,000 .


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[arista]

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[Cherie]

What’s the deal with over 70’s ( so far ) being given a third Covid 19 jab in September- to boost their immunity !?!?

After just 6 or 7 months they need boosting ?

Where does that leave the rest of us under 70s ??

I thought the first jab gave around 70%+ and more or less ensure you won’t die or need ventilation then the second jab pushed up the % to 85 or 90% - until next year ??

I’m confused ..



Edit

Sky News discussing this now ..

The suggestion is that the government are expecting/preparing for a THIRD wave in September ..

France currently getting 42,000 new cases per day , Germany 22,000 .


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A further booster shot has been talked about pretty much since they first started vaccination, expect it will be rolls out further once the over 70s are done?

[Nicky91]

so what Germany does well, the public know better they don't need a lockdown anymore

so the surge in new cases is their karma, for wanting more irrelevant freedom :idc:

[Zizu]

A further booster shot has been talked about pretty much since they first started vaccination, expect it will be rolls out further once the over 70s are done?



That was muted as a jab that will have been modified to combat any new strains though ...

Just saying they will be getting a third booster jab kinda sounds like the first two are running out of effectiveness after just 6 or 7 months ..


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[Cherie]

That was muted as a jab that will have been modified to combat any new strains though ...

Just saying they will be getting a third booster jab kinda sounds like the first two are running out of effectiveness after just 6 or 7 months ..


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Think it was always going to be tweaked to encompass new variants

[bots]

That was muted as a jab that will have been modified to combat any new strains though ...

Just saying they will be getting a third booster jab kinda sounds like the first two are running out of effectiveness after just 6 or 7 months ..


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they dont know how long the vaccine will be effective for, how could they?

They are preparing for the eventuality that a booster is needed, i can't believe you are seriously moaning about that

[bots]

Germany has over taken Spain? somethings not right with these figures

spain gave up reporting accurate figures by about May last year. Tourism trumps accuracy

[AnnieK]

they dont know how long the vaccine will be effective for, how could they?

They are preparing for the eventuality that a booster is needed, i can't believe you are seriously moaning about that

I understood it that it will also be tweaked slightly to ensure it catches any variants in the virus plus they are readying themselves for winter. It may then become annual like the flu jab. Nothing to worry about or even that unusual with vaccines.

[bots]

I understood it that it will also be tweaked slightly to ensure it catches any variants in the virus plus they are readying themselves for winter. It may then become annual like the flu jab. Nothing to worry about or even that unusual with vaccines.


there is no actual evidence yet that the vaccines don't work against the latest strains, only a "they might not be as effective", which doesnt really mean anything. If the vaccine still protects against serious illness, everything will be fine.

I think they are considering all eventualities, which i am very happy about

[Zizu]

they dont know how long the vaccine will be effective for, how could they?

They are preparing for the eventuality that a booster is needed, i can't believe you are seriously moaning about that



It’s hardly moaning ... I was more querying the terminology if anything - if they’d said they would be getting a modified jab to counteract the new wave of strains I wouldn’t have commented..

Just saying they’re gonna start giving a THIRD jab kinda unsettled me as it suggests the two won’t be enough

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[Zizu]

I understood it that it will also be tweaked slightly to ensure it catches any variants in the virus plus they are readying themselves for winter. It may then become annual like the flu jab. Nothing to worry about or even that unusual with vaccines.



Well that’s a more acceptable explanation ;)


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