Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

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Covid Deaths
Number Disputes?

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Heathrow Tonight.
That's all that Sweaty Hall.


Covid could spread

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Heathrow Tonight,
they can not keep a safe distance


To many there,


Covid can Spread

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Spain
Now doing some School Lessons on the Beach
lots of Fresh Air.

This is Clever.

Video Report on WION HD
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Spain
Now doing some School Lessons on the Beach
lots of Fresh Air.

This is Clever.

Video Report on WION HD
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Sadly not really an option in the Uk ...

Imagine doing Shakespeare one afternoon amidst the hail and sleet whilst being abused by a hoard of abusive teenagers ... then a nappy floats past .


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Sadly not really an option in the Uk ...

Imagine doing Shakespeare one afternoon amidst the hail and sleet whilst being abused by a hoard of abusive teenagers ... then a nappy floats past .




Yes but it still could be done
when it gets warmer.

Its a Great idea in Spain
anyway.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: summarizing our press conference of last night now

''The Dutch government has no plans to change its decision to stop giving the AstraZeneca vaccine to people under the age of 60, health minister Hugo de Jonge told reporters on Tuesday evening.

In addition, it is still too early to say what the impact of Johnson & Johnson’s decision to halt deliveries of its Leiden-developed vaccine to Europe will be, De Jonge said. The European Medicines Agency is due to make a statement on the situation on Wednesday.

The much criticized decision to stop using the AstraZeneca vaccine decision on the under-60s because of the risks remains in place, De Jonge said. ‘There are sufficient alternatives,’ De Jonge said, although he admitted that the decision by J&J may change that situation.

De Jonge and prime minister Mark Rutte outlined the government’s five point plan to reopen society, following the news last weekend that leaks about an April 21 deadline to reopen pavement cafes and scrap the curfew would not become a reality.

‘We all have our own Covid reality,’ Rutte said. ‘We are losing patience, we are more emotional and we are finding it harder to stick to the rules.’

Nevertheless, Rutte said, the main relaity is that the end is in sight. The first step in opening up society up again will be taken once we are over the peak of the current surge, he said. The April 21 date is too soon, he said. ‘We are looking at the figures on a weekly basis and we will decide on April 20 if measures can be taken on April 28.’

The first step, Rutte said, involves lifting the curfew, reopening pavement cafes and allowing people to welcome more than one visitor.

The second step will see amusement parks, swimming pools and sports schools reopening. The ministers did not go into what the 3rd, 4th and 5th stages would involve.

Not set in stone

The date of April 28 is not set in stone, Rutte said. ‘We cannot take the risk that we create an impossible situation in hospitals,’ he said. ‘We are going to look at what we can do on a weekly basis.’

As a start, after school clubs will be able to reopen their doors from April 19 and if things progress as hoped, universities will be able to hold face-to-face lessons from April 26. However, that decision will be taken next Tuesday.

‘We cannot take the risk that we create an impossible situation in hospitals,’ Rutte said. ‘We are going to look at developments from one week to the next.’


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/no-change-on-vaccine-strategy-health-minister-hugo-de-jonge-confirms/

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/14/covid-19-self-tests-delivered-schools-starting-monday

Netherlands: covid-19 self test kits delivered to schools starting monday, for every teacher, staff member

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Kings Day 2021 will still go through, coronaproof

Radio 538 Kings Day Festival will be one of those FieldLab test events, so again only access with negative test (the biggest test event so far that will be, 10.000 people although outdoors)


King Willem Alexander and Queen Maxima will still go to Eindhoven but no real tour through the city but a virtual one at our university High Tech Campus, and only the main royal family members so Willem, Maxima and Amalia, Ariane (Alexia not sure if she can attend since she is studying in Wales at this moment), and this will still be shown on TV Live here unlike last year when we only had highlights of past kings and queens days

+ elderly channel here (MAX) has its own aftertalk show with some music, royal watchers, celebs whom are royal superfans

just nice to report this hasn't been cancelled unlike last year

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/04/14/Lead_Image_large-640_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqQM3rjVtAqPt4faM6F0jDQAn5-mF14fjZexYGfPn71xg.jpg?imwidth=960

Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are people who are not dying from
the disease, new official figures show, as the Government was urged to move
faster with the roadmap in the light of increasingly positive data.

The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that 23 per
cent of coronavirus deaths registered are now people who have died "with" the
virus rather than "from" an infection.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/quarter-covid-deaths-not-caused-virus/

[Vanessa]

I like the way they're doing things.
Nice and steady, but cautious.
Hopefully everything goes well and by July we will have vaccinated eveyone.

[DouglasS]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/04/14/Lead_Image_large-640_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqQM3rjVtAqPt4faM6F0jDQAn5-mF14fjZexYGfPn71xg.jpg?imwidth=960

Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are people who are not dying from
the disease, new official figures show, as the Government was urged to move
faster with the roadmap in the light of increasingly positive data.

The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that 23 per
cent of coronavirus deaths registered are now people who have died "with" the
virus rather than "from" an infection.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/quarter-covid-deaths-not-caused-virus/

This was always going to be the case with the way the deaths are tracked, anyone who dies with covid in their system within 28 days are classed as dying from covid-19, it’s ridiculous :laugh:

A 100 year old dying of old age might have caught covid and it’ll be written down as covid, just if a asymptimatic young adult who dies in a car accident but had covid without even realising will be classed as a covid-19 death

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covid infections are now back to hot spot areas, there are many areas of the country without any covid infections at all. The media won't focus on that though

[Alf]

The Prime Minister's comments suggest to me that they're going to be attempting another lockdown.

He says it was the lockdowns and not the vaccine that is reason for the fall in cases.

Solution? more lockdowns, they're for our own good.

Make the most of the Summer, could be your last day's of freedom.

[Vanessa]

Im going to Covent Garden later. So excited! :amazed:

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Im going to Covent Garden later. So excited! :amazed:


Yes Nice Place

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

5.503 new cases (1.265 less than yesterday)


now total of 2.499 of hospitalisations (yesterday that was at 2.554)

784 total of ICU patients (yesterday 794)

28 new deaths 3 less than yesterday (average of deaths last 7 days is 25)

[Vicky.]

The Prime Minister's comments suggest to me that they're going to be attempting another lockdown.

He says it was the lockdowns and not the vaccine that is reason for the fall in cases.

Solution? more lockdowns, they're for our own good.

Make the most of the Summer, could be your last day's of freedom.

That seems highly unlikely, given lockdown was in place for ages before numbers actually started falling, and numbers fell steadily as vaccination numbers rose.

Unless they are now claiming nothing would show in the stats until 2 months after a measure was taken? When they have said 3 weeks since the start..if they are now saying that, that kind of messes them up on the claim that the first lockdown made numbers come down, as the numbers started falling pretty much bang on the 3 week mark from lockdown 1..

[Cherie]

I think Bojo is just trying to manage expectations, at the moment we need to do both, social distance and vaccinate and the combination of both will keep numbers down while we unlock

This lockdown was nowhere near as harsh as the first lockdown, in England anyway as places like B and Q were open, and churches/mosques had congregations, also the number of key worker kids at school was much higher

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Boris has always said that it would be slow and steady steps but those steps were irreversible. If vaccination doesn't protect people, nothing will.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think Boris was saying "look we got it right" it was him telling us what he did was right but he was not predicting anymore lockdowns. that ship has sailed

[Nicky91]

NL: also our ICU chief Gommers last night made a comparison last year April to this year

last year: 1.400 ICU patients

now: 784 ICU patients


not as much as in first wave but still way too high, and Gommers wants all 60+ vaccinated as soon as possible


all dutch olympic participants will get vaccinated as of now, they will get priority regardless of age

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Wednesday 14/4/21

Today 38 died
2,491 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,481

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
370


127,161 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Beso]

They are handing out self testing kits to passers by on the streets of London now..a months worth to anyone who wants them.


Interesting fact...these tests cost 35 pound a box when they first came out. They are also made in china.

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[COVID-19: Surge testing to take place in
an area of North London after cases
of South African variant found]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-surge-testing-to-take-place-in-an-area-of-north-london-after-cases-of-south-african-variant-found-12275426

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Brazil Hospitals
are now Full of Young people with Variant Covid-19,
Some Older folk still in them as well.

Ref: WION HD, CNN HD, TRTworldHD


The Top Very High Covid Death Nations

562,937 USA deaths
354,617 Brazil deaths
209,702 Mexico deaths
171,058 India deaths
127,369 United Kingdom deaths
115,088 Italy deaths

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Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest
that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other
words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended. Further tests also show that early
interventions offered no additional benefits or effectiveness and even indicate that the
lockdowns of the spring of 2020 were associated with significantly more deaths in the
particular age group between 60 and 79 years.

The main problem at hand is therefore that the evidence presented here
suggests that lockdowns have not significantly affected the development of
mortality in Europe. They have nevertheless wreaked economic havoc in
most societies and may lead to a substantial number of additional deaths for
other reasons. A British government report from April for example assessed
that a limited lockdown could cause 185,000 excess deaths over the next
years, while UNICEF warns of an increase in child marriages, owing to the
economic effects of Western lockdowns in developing countries (DHSC 2020;
Philipose and Aika 2021). Evaluated as a whole, at a first glance, the
lockdown policies of the Spring of 2020 therefore appear to be substantial
long-run government failures.

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

[bots]

Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest
that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other
words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended. Further tests also show that early
interventions offered no additional benefits or effectiveness and even indicate that the
lockdowns of the spring of 2020 were associated with significantly more deaths in the
particular age group between 60 and 79 years.

The main problem at hand is therefore that the evidence presented here
suggests that lockdowns have not significantly affected the development of
mortality in Europe. They have nevertheless wreaked economic havoc in
most societies and may lead to a substantial number of additional deaths for
other reasons. A British government report from April for example assessed
that a limited lockdown could cause 185,000 excess deaths over the next
years, while UNICEF warns of an increase in child marriages, owing to the
economic effects of Western lockdowns in developing countries (DHSC 2020;
Philipose and Aika 2021). Evaluated as a whole, at a first glance, the
lockdown policies of the Spring of 2020 therefore appear to be substantial
long-run government failures.

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

well thats complete pish for starters

[Crimson Dynamo]

well thats complete pish for starters

publish a paper and refute it.

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Heathrow Tonight,
they can not keep a safe distance


To many there,


Covid can Spread


Heathrow says airport queues are becoming 'untenable'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56743571

[Heathrow has said that long queues caused
by extensive Covid checks at the
airport are becoming "untenable".
Chris Garton, chief solutions officer at Heathrow,
told MPs on the transport committee
that some travellers faced waits of up to six hours.
On more than one occasion police had had
to intervene because queuing
was "not something passengers want to do", he added.]

[Vanessa]

Just on my way back home.
Some restaurants have heated outdoor areas.
Which is a great idea, because it's quite cold in the evening.
It's nice to see central London coming back to life.

[Vanessa]

Heathrow says airport queues are becoming 'untenable'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56743571

[Heathrow has said that long queues caused
by extensive Covid checks at the
airport are becoming "untenable".
Chris Garton, chief solutions officer at Heathrow,
told MPs on the transport committee
that some travellers faced waits of up to six hours.
On more than one occasion police had had
to intervene because queuing
was "not something passengers want to do", he added.]
Waiting for six hours?
Ah forget it, I'll stay in the UK D:

[Beso]

Just on my way back home.
Some restaurants have heated outdoor areas.
Which is a great idea, because it's quite cold in the evening.
It's nice to see central London coming back to life.

:love:

[Zizu]

The Prime Minister's comments suggest to me that they're going to be attempting another lockdown.

He says it was the lockdowns and not the vaccine that is reason for the fall in cases.

Solution? more lockdowns, they're for our own good.

Make the most of the Summer, could be your last day's of freedom.



Now oddly enough ..
My daughter has been on a first aid course today and the the main guy ‘running’ the course ended the day with a bit of a thank you / well done speech during which he talked about the implications of Covid ..

He said that it’s commonly accepted within the medical profession that it’s almost certain that there will be another lockdown in October ..

:(


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Mmmmmm .. which is more important our rights to not be discriminated against or our rights to LIVE !!


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Mmmmmm .. which is more important our rights to not be discriminated against or our rights to LIVE !!


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Both are extremely important and one shouldn't be downplayed completely in the name of the other, imo.

[Vanessa]

Brazil Hospitals
are now Full of Young people with Variant Covid-19,
Some Older folk still in them as well.

Ref: WION HD, CNN HD, TRTworldHD


The Top Very High Covid Death Nations

562,937 USA deaths
354,617 Brazil deaths
209,702 Mexico deaths
171,058 India deaths
127,369 United Kingdom deaths
115,088 Italy deaths

I can't believe they haven't done a lockdown yet.
They really need to get vaccinatting and quick.

[user104658]

I can't believe they haven't done a lockdown yet.
They really need to get vaccinatting and quick.

A huge chunk of their population lives like this.

https://odishatv.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Brazil-shanty-town-736x430.jpg

They're not doing vaccination programmes.

...and most of them are armed to the teeth. They're not doing lockdowns.

[Vanessa]

Now oddly enough ..
My daughter has been on a first aid course today and the the main guy ‘running’ the course ended the day with a bit of a thank you / well done speech during which he talked about the implications of Covid ..

He said that it’s commonly accepted within the medical profession that it’s almost certain that there will be another lockdown in October ..

:(


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Maybe we will avoid one with a booster?

[Vanessa]

A huge chunk of their population lives like this.

https://odishatv.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Brazil-shanty-town-736x430.jpg

They're not doing vaccination programmes.

...and most of them are armed to the teeth. They're not doing lockdowns.

They need to do something.
It's just getting worse and worse in there :shocked:

[Nicky91]

They need to do something.
It's just getting worse and worse in there :shocked:

fire Bolsonaro out of a cannon, and elect a better more stable president who does take the job seriously rather than that clown who still thinks covid is no big deal

the reason it is so worse in Brazil is all because of his lacklustre approach towards the virus

[user104658]

They need to do something.
It's just getting worse and worse in there :shocked:

I just don't think there's anything to be done. These massive shanty towns are hot, packed together, and the police can't even go in to sort out the widespread daily violence/drugs/gun crime ... how on earth would they enforce something like a lockdown? It's just never going to happen, and rolling out a vaccine would be almost as difficult.

[Nicky91]

I just don't think there's anything to be done. These massive shanty towns are hot, packed together, and the police can't even go in to sort out the widespread daily violence/drugs/gun crime ... how on earth would they enforce something like a lockdown? It's just never going to happen, and rolling out a vaccine would be almost as difficult.

glad i don't live there, sorry if it comes across as selfish though

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: first day of test pub went really well, though two employees couldn't attend due to testing positive and they went in self isolation, one person who signed up couldn't come either also testing positive and same went in self isolation

these tests will run for 3 more days allowed for the pub under these guidelines to stay open for test subjects only

pub in utrecht, whom immediately said yes when having been asked for this specific test trial, since it benefits their financial status as well



all test events are good economy either

[arista]

fire Bolsonaro out of a cannon, and elect a better more stable president who does take the job seriously rather than that clown who still thinks covid is no big deal

the reason it is so worse in Brazil is all because of his lacklustre approach towards the virus


He won the Election


Maybe he is like Trump
One Term only.

[bots]

I just don't think there's anything to be done. These massive shanty towns are hot, packed together, and the police can't even go in to sort out the widespread daily violence/drugs/gun crime ... how on earth would they enforce something like a lockdown? It's just never going to happen, and rolling out a vaccine would be almost as difficult.

this is why herd immunity is just not possible. Look at the months it has taken the EU to get moving on vaccination. The less developed parts of the world (which are in the majority) will never be vaccinated. So all this vaccine equality nonsense is completely meaningless too

[Nicky91]

this is why herd immunity is just not possible. Look at the months it has taken the EU to get moving on vaccination. The less developed parts of the world (which are in the majority) will never be vaccinated. So all this vaccine equality nonsense is completely meaningless too

umm no Bots, a poorer country like Moldova for example got quite generous vaccine donations already (from Covax, and from neighbours Romania who had decided to share also quite some doses)


a Non-EU country like Serbia is doing decent in terms of vaccinations, so well they also had said EU citizens can come over to also get the jab there (dozen of dutch people made the trip already, also few from Germany) they are of course first vaccinating their own, but they have more than enough for time being anyway

[bots]

The non city dwellers in Russia, China, india, pakistan will never get vaccinated. Most of africa will not be vaccinated, most of South America will not be vaccinated. That is most of the world population

[Nicky91]

The non city dwellers in Russia, China, india, pakistan will never get vaccinated. Most of africa will not be vaccinated, most of South America will not be vaccinated. That is most of the world population

nah, WHO and its Covax need to step it up now with getting vaccine supplies to most poorer countries/regions

the poorer countries are their responsibility since they organized that Covax fund to begin with

i don't think they'll ''never'' get vaccinated, i am maybe more optimistic minded regarding this

[user104658]

The non city dwellers in Russia, China, india, pakistan will never get vaccinated. Most of africa will not be vaccinated, most of South America will not be vaccinated. That is most of the world population

Oddly enough, Chile (South America) actually has one of the highest vaccination rate thus far: 65 doses per 100 people. UAE is of course the front runner at 95/100.

UK is up there too at 60/100

[arista]

Oddly enough, Chile (South America) actually has one of the highest vaccination rate thus far: 65 doses per 100 people. UAE is of course the front runner at 95/100.

UK is up there too at 60/100


Yes well done Chile

[Vanessa]

Finally going to cut my hair next week.
It's about time :cheer2:

[bots]

A senior member of Japan’s ruling party has said cancelling the Olympics remains a possibility if the coronavirus situation in Japan becomes too severe.

Toshiro Nikai is a very powerful politician in Japan’s ruling party, so his words carry weight.

In the TV interview he said the Olympics should be cancelled "without hesitation" if the virus situation in Japan becomes too severe.

“If the infections spreads because of the Olympics then I don’t see what the Olympics is for,” he said.

Nikai’s comments have been dismissed by other ruling party officials who told Japanese media the games will not be cancelled.

The governor of Tokyo said she thought Nikai had only meant that the virus must be contained by all means.

But the virus is not being contained. On Wednesday, Japan recorded nearly 5,500 new cases.

The so-called “Kent variant”, originally identified in England, is now the dominant strain in western Japan, and it is spreading fast in the greater Tokyo area.

[Zizu]

A senior member of Japan’s ruling party has said cancelling the Olympics remains a possibility if the coronavirus situation in Japan becomes too severe.

Toshiro Nikai is a very powerful politician in Japan’s ruling party, so his words carry weight.

In the TV interview he said the Olympics should be cancelled "without hesitation" if the virus situation in Japan becomes too severe.

“If the infections spreads because of the Olympics then I don’t see what the Olympics is for,” he said.

Nikai’s comments have been dismissed by other ruling party officials who told Japanese media the games will not be cancelled.

The governor of Tokyo said she thought Nikai had only meant that the virus must be contained by all means.

But the virus is not being contained. On Wednesday, Japan recorded nearly 5,500 new cases.

The so-called “Kent variant”, originally identified in England, is now the dominant strain in western Japan, and it is spreading fast in the greater Tokyo area.



Blimey us Brits will be even more unpopular in the world


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[Nicky91]

A senior member of Japan’s ruling party has said cancelling the Olympics remains a possibility if the coronavirus situation in Japan becomes too severe.

Toshiro Nikai is a very powerful politician in Japan’s ruling party, so his words carry weight.

In the TV interview he said the Olympics should be cancelled "without hesitation" if the virus situation in Japan becomes too severe.

“If the infections spreads because of the Olympics then I don’t see what the Olympics is for,” he said.

Nikai’s comments have been dismissed by other ruling party officials who told Japanese media the games will not be cancelled.

The governor of Tokyo said she thought Nikai had only meant that the virus must be contained by all means.

But the virus is not being contained. On Wednesday, Japan recorded nearly 5,500 new cases.

The so-called “Kent variant”, originally identified in England, is now the dominant strain in western Japan, and it is spreading fast in the greater Tokyo area.

ok ok, not silenced, but you don't need to cancel stuff anymore


Olympics can go through, there is already no audience so and some countries (mine for example) are vaccinating the athletes before the event as well


5,500 is almost similar as my nation daily yesterday tbh, that is not too high for Japan either


if Nikai wants to contribute anything then he should use his power to come up with a health safety protocol for the event, get a good testing pavillion set up, good PPE handgel, enough face masks, gloves


last year was horrible with everything cancelled, we should not do that another year

[arista]

On ITV1HD News 1:30PM
a Lady who rents Cottages for Holidays in England,
has been offered Double the Amount
if she changed the booking to them.

She is not doing that
and said she was shocked


Each Cottage has Lounge Real Fire.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.789 new cases (3.317 more than yesterday however yesterday seemed to be a malfunction at RIVM so some of this is also from yesterday)

now 2.477 in total hospitalisations (decrease of 22, compared to yesterday 2.499)

789 in total ICU patients (increase of 5 compared to yesterday 784)

14 new deaths (14 less than yesterday)

[Cherie]

On ITV1HD News 1:30PM
a Lady who rents Cottages for Holidays in England,
has been offered Double the Amount
if she changed the booking to them.

She is not doing that
and said she was shocked


Each Cottage has Lounge Real Fire.

Good for her, that is really disgusting behaviour, she probably has alot of regulars, repeat business is what counts

[arista]

Good for her, that is really disgusting behaviour, she probably has alot of regulars, repeat business is what counts


Yes her cottages looked great.
Good she blocked them.

[hijaxers]

On ITV1HD News 1:30PM
a Lady who rents Cottages for Holidays in England,
has been offered Double the Amount
if she changed the booking to them.

She is not doing that
and said she was shocked


Each Cottage has Lounge Real Fire.

A lady with morals , how refreshing.

[arista]

More Examples:
7:30PM-8PM ITV1HD
Summer Holidays : What's the Truth

[Zizu]

A lady with morals , how refreshing.



Very true .. and very refreshing .

This attitude used to be the norm ....


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[arista]

Thursday 15/4/21

30 Died.
2,672 caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,393


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
351


127,191 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[arista]

1382882282713845761


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-patients-tied-to-beds-and-intubated-without-sedatives-as-coronavirus-crisis-worsens-in-brazil-12276739

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – I agree with Michael Staples’s letter (April 15), boggling at the “sheer heartlessness and scientific inanity of the present government rules”, which will see the Queen having to sit alone, in a mask, at the funeral of her husband. Do others share my despondency?

I’m tired of masks, tired of social distancing and I’ve lost faith in Boris Johnson’s élan to lead us dynamically out of this situation – which only suits those who love regulation and bossing people around.

We’ve done our bit and protected the NHS. Now we need to resume the normal behaviour of a free and loving society.

Caroline Egleston
Alton, Hampshire

(DT)

[bots]

it's been a while since i checked it previously, but my area is down to 8 cases per 100k people, which is the lowest its been since the start of the pandemic i think

[Cherie]

it's been a while since i checked it previously, but my area is down to 8 cases per 100k people, which is the lowest its been since the start of the pandemic i think

wow, how do you check again?

5 cases in my area ...wow :laugh:

[arista]

wow, how do you check again?

5 cases in my area ...wow :laugh:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Lower down on this page
Enter any Postcode

[Cherie]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Lower down on this page
Enter any Postcode

thanks Arista, actually I looked at that wrong it is 32 per 100k in my area

[Vanessa]

Only two cases in my area.

[AnnieK]

4 cases in my area but a case rate of 61 per 100,000

[bots]

even that 61 figure means that in 1000 people, half a person has covid ... so its a pretty low figure :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.966 new cases

2.490 in total hospitalisations now (increase of 13 compared to yesterday 2.477)

792 in total ICU patients, (increase of 3 compared to yesterday 789)

12 new deaths

[Nicky91]

and don't close those schools, Rutte :facepalm: since reopening schools numbers only had been rising :idc:


also test events still do well, with the negative test policy (of course some criticism from know it all anti-masker morons, that tests aren't accurate)


the 538 kings day festival also criticism, 18.000 people in audience with negative test, what some people find too much audience for time being when we are amid third wave

[Zizu]

Yikes


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/79345a1f86c9792db0847b7c066dcd3e.jpg


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[Vicky.]

of course some criticism from know it all anti-masker morons, that tests aren't accurate

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/9503/production/_118074183_guardian-nc.png

Erm. Its not just 'anti mask morons' who say the tests are inaccurate.

[Nicky91]

Erm. Its not just 'anti mask morons' who say the tests are inaccurate.

umm no, government officials are also anti-mask morons, just more dumber than the normal anti-maskers

[Vicky.]

Haha yeah. And scientists who have been pointing out the flaws for a while too. Don't forget them, in your rush to call anyone who disagrees with you a moron!

[Nicky91]

Haha yeah. And scientists who have been pointing out the flaws for a while too. Don't forget them, in your rush to call anyone who disagrees with you a moron!

umm no, but a negative test is something good


fake tests well which is what we must prevent, with official evidence of a negative test, so i prefer people letting themselves tested at official testing pavilions rather than self tests

[bots]

Nicky, the faster tests have always been very innacurate. Known since they first started making testing kits last March. In the uk, it's common practice for someone testing positive with a fast test to be tested again immediately with the slower test as it is much more accurate.

Really, please stop repeating crap you read on twitter, it's not a good look.

[arista]

Erm. Its not just 'anti mask morons' who say the tests are inaccurate.


Yes the Cheap test failed results, are not yet released.
Bad of Johnson PM

[arista]

Friday 16/4/21

34 Died today
2,596 caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,291

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
329


127,225 UK Total Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/ED92/production/_118081806_microsoftteams-image-3.png

[Zizu]

India's 'double mutation' COVID-19 variant found in UK


Supposedly 77 cases thus far


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[Nicky91]

India's 'double mutation' COVID-19 variant found in UK


Supposedly 77 cases thus far


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not something to really worry about, said our virologist Ab Osterhaus (compared to other variants out there like more dangerous brazilian, SA ones)

[Zizu]

not something to really worry about, said our virologist Ab Osterhaus (compared to other variants out there like more dangerous brazilian, SA ones)



Good


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[Nicky91]

UGH some doctor in my nation well :facepalm: talking guilt into a 67 yr old guy who refused AstraZeneca, and got infected with corona few days after that


that is not the way they should be treating patients, i mean of course people have rights now to be suspicious of the vaccine, you got that own right to decide wether or not to take it, but doctors have no rights to talk guilt into their patients :umm2:

[arista]

India's 'double mutation' COVID-19 variant found in UK


Supposedly 77 cases thus far






Yes Thread on Just that.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374976

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.336 new cases 610 less than yesterday (but average new cases is increasing)

2428 total hospitalisations (62 less than yesterdays total 2490)

802 total ICU patients (10 more than yesterday 792)

31 new deaths

[arista]

On the Gov.Site Link
No Data from Wales on Saturdays

Saturday 17/4/21

Today 35 have died
2,206 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,186

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
332

127,260 UK Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

____________________________________

Also today we reach 3 Million Deaths Worldwide
Deaths from China's Covid

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: doctor starts petition against test events, lock those irrelevant dumb youth up in their homes

''we need to cancel everything again'' he said, ''those youth ruin everything for our hard work in hospitals''


petition is already signed by 110.000 people

[Nicky91]

the petition is against 538 kings day concert, 10.000 people is too much


somehow i feel pissed at some comments here in dutch news sites, how some want everything cancelled (i feel disgusted at that more because last year was horrendous enough, and normal test events with not that many people can work fine)

i feel double at this petition, and tbh we got a online kings day concert too, more some artists with our King & Queen and people can follow that on youtube or social media

[arista]

the petition is against 538 kings day concert, 10.000 people is too much


somehow i feel pissed at some comments here in dutch news sites, how some want everything cancelled (i feel disgusted at that more because last year was horrendous enough, and normal test events with not that many people can work fine)

i feel double at this petition, and tbh we got a online kings day concert too, more some artists with our King & Queen and people can follow that on youtube or social media



Yes How do they all
Socially Distance?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.600 new cases 299 more than yesterday

2.478 total hospitalisations increase of 50 compared to yesterday

808 total ICU patients increase of 6 compared to yesterday

12 new deaths

[Nicky91]

tuesday another press conference probably too announce April 28 is also way too soon for relaxing of measures

we also need another 6 months extension to lockdown tbh

[Marsh.]

Another 6 months in lockdown is not needed, don't be so daft!

[arista]

Sunday 18/4/21

Today 10 Died
1,882 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,186

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
332

127,270 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

Another 6 months in lockdown is not needed, don't be so daft!

:idc: i am just in a very negative mood at the moment


6 months more is too much yes but no need to relax measures on April 28th either


my nation = stupidity all over here in our RIVM and parliament



if i had power

i'd close schools, but open terraces (since that would keep people away from parks or at least too many people from parks)

[Nicky91]

its almost like those morons here are trying to keep anti-masker crowd happy with relaxing of some measures while it isn't the time for it


the 538 kings day party is irrelevant, 10.000 people without room to socially distance, ok outdoors but still not enough room for 1.5 metres distancing



other test events don't deserve criticism as overall infection rate is minimum with those, lesser people as volunteers is better, somewhat between 2.000 and 4.000 is decent for those tests

[Marsh.]

:idc: i am just in a very negative mood at the moment

:oh:

[Cherie]

Sunday 11/4/21

Today 7 Deaths
1,730 have caught Covid -19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,862


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
406


127,087 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Sunday 18/4/21

Today 10 Died
1,882 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,186

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
332

127,270 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: petition against 538 kings day party now signed by 315.000


there'll be a council meeting of Breda today to discuss this any further with new info like this petition

[user104658]

Sunday 18/4/21

Today 10 Died
1,882 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,186

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
332

127,270 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

.

Deaths up 43% (Note: Percentage looks huge but a bit misleading, it's only an increase of 3 and probably just random variation)
New cases up 9%
Number in hospital down 24%
Number on ventilator down 18%

[Cherie]

Deaths up 43% (Note: Percentage looks huge but a bit misleading, it's only an increase of 3 and probably just random variation)
New cases up 9%
Number in hospital down 24%
Number on ventilator down 18%

Thank you Rachel Riley

[Cherie]

Literally the deaths are never going to go to zero, someone will always be dying with something 28 days after a positive test

[bots]

i think when you take the deaths across the uk as a whole and they are under 100 then the vaccine is doing its job. Bear in mind that not all the vulnerable took up the option of a vaccine for whatever reason, so there are still people at risk and always will be

[arista]

i think when you take the deaths across the UK as a whole and they are under 100 then the vaccine is doing its job. Bear in mind that not all the vulnerable took up the option of a vaccine for whatever reason, so there are still people at risk and always will be


No it was the Long Lockdown
not the Vaccine

[bots]

No it was the Long Lockdown
not the Vaccine

you are in full on talking bollox mode this morning Arista :laugh:

[user104658]

Literally the deaths are never going to go to zero, someone will always be dying with something 28 days after a positive test

Yeah I don't know how helpful the percentage is at such low numbers because literally a difference of 1 or 2 looks like a significant percentage when it isn't. Hospitalisations and ICU still looking encouraging. I'm on the fence about new cases - it's not an insignificant rise at 9% (a rise of over 150) but it could be down to things like the number of tests actually being done etc.

It's also of course not an issue if it doesn't translate into red figures for the bottom two - and if it does stay "red" while the other two stay "green" or stable, that would strongly suggest that the vaccines are doing their job of eliminating severe illness.

[Nicky91]

i really don't know why i stress over this pandemic, since it 0% affects my own life


also i apologize for not knowing everything, but one thing is kinda for sure my nation's third wave is almost similar horrible as the second wave was in UK



vaccine rollout seems to be making pace now here so that might be good for numbers to come, 4.5 out of 17 million is not bad i guess, and we cannot force everyone to be vaccinated, but if we can get 7 or 8 million of our population the jab, and rest of population mostly through negative tests since i still believe in the testings quality when done officially, properly (not the self test since i have not much faith in those, more chance of faking that i am of opinion)

[arista]

UGgvgKE0n8o


No,
Russ
it ain't an ID card



Russ stop putting USA Clips in there
their ID is not like our ID

[Vanessa]

I'm going for a pub dinner tonight.
First time ever.
I'm so excited! :amazed:

[arista]

I'm going for a pub dinner tonight.
First time ever.
I'm so excited! :amazed:


Its getting packed now

[Vanessa]

Its getting packed now

Oh it's ok, it's a beer garden outside.

[arista]

Oh it's ok, it's a beer garden outside.


Very Nice

[user104658]

UGgvgKE0n8o


No,
you Junkie
it ain't an ID card




Whether or not you agree with him or like him, referring to a recovered addict as "you Junkie" is really not appropriate arista :idc:

[arista]

Whether or not you agree with him or like him, referring to a recovered addict as "you Junkie" is really not appropriate arista :idc:


It Bloody is
you are not his agent,


There is an LBC Presenter 10AM
I never use his name
He is a Left Wing Presenter


Stop being like a Vicar
TS

[user104658]

It Bloody is
you are not his agent,


There is an LBC Presenter 10AM
I never use his name
He is a Left Wing Presenter


Stop being like a Vicar
TS

It isn't. He isn't a junkie. I know you get special arista TiBB privileges etc. but there's a line.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

7.187 new cases 1.390 less than yesterday (also less than last 7 day average)

2.544 total hospitalisations (increase of 66 compared to yesterday)

813 total ICU patients (increase of 5 compared to yesterday)

22 new deaths

[arista]

It isn't. He isn't a junkie. I know you get special arista TiBB privileges etc. but there's a line.


Privileges
that would be nice


He was a Junkie
so I can hold that against him
I will Edit it for you, though.

[arista]

EU has announced New plans for
Travel Covid Pass.

To allow USA Tourists in.

CNN HD Live

[arista]

Monday 19/4/21

Today 4 Died
2,963 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,186

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
332


127,274 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

[Cherie]

Monday 12/4/21

Today 13 have Died.
3,568 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,862

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
406

127,100 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

19/4/21

Today 4 Died
2,963 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,186

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
332


127,274 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Rachel will be along shortly

[bots]

the numbers in hospital and on ventilators are still dropping significantly

[Vanessa]

Just realized I booked the pub for the wrong date.
Thank god they managed to fit me in. :facepalm:

[user104658]

Rachel will be along shortly


Deaths down 69% (Note: accounts for the seeming increase yesterday)

New cases down 17%

Number in hospital down 24%

Number on ventilator down 18%

:hee:

[bots]

the hospitalisations and more serious ventilator cases are dropping consistently. That eventually knocks on to number of deaths. So, at the moment, we have relaxed restrictions a bit and we are still within acceptable bounds, which ... given we have not been truly locked down for weeks, can only be as a result of the vaccine

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: relaxing of measures step 1 April 28th

1) terraces open, 1 household you can have 3 people, but if not from same household just 1 other person, in total 50 people allowed on terraces

2) end of the curfew

3) no more going to shops on appointment, but still only few people allowed in the store per square inch





the 538 kings day party has been cancelled, now all focus on eurovision if we should cancel audiences there too and only live performances for the tv viewers and delegations in green room



fieldlab test events like Efteling theme park can go through for time being


i agree with one of our music producers Ronald Molendijk on late night talk show here, he said our health minister De Jonge needs to step up and say the fieldlab test events are also our way out of the corona lockdown and towards more freedom what the anti-lockdown people want too, more freedom and this test event thing is your way towards some more freedom with just few simple rules to follow



cancelling audiences is not because the dangers with audiences but otherwise we have rioting outside the venues, it is those rioters their fault they should shut up and be silenced, so if it must then no one of public can have fun because of those rioter scum out there

[Cherie]

Deaths down 69% (Note: accounts for the seeming increase yesterday)

New cases down 17%

Number in hospital down 24%

Number on ventilator down 18%

:hee:

Thank you Rachel :laugh:

[Vicky.]

the hospitalisations and more serious ventilator cases are dropping consistently. That eventually knocks on to number of deaths. So, at the moment, we have relaxed restrictions a bit and we are still within acceptable bounds, which ... given we have not been truly locked down for weeks, can only be as a result of the vaccine

Yup. Really not understanding the (many seemingly) people who keep trying to make out the falls are down to lockdown, not the vaccine. Its pretty obvious its the bloody vaccine given timelines. And it was always going to be the case that 'the way out' was a vaccine, not lockdowns. The lockdowns were for the health systems to cope, while waiting for a vaccine..

[Cherie]

Bojo is up at 5pm in his new room

[arista]

Bojo is up at 5pm in his new room


Yes I hope he Keeps Football
out of this Health Debate with the Press


He should Make the Press have One Question only
then alot more could join in.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: another relaxing of measures

more people welcome at funerals, total of 100 people as of April 28th, currently that total is at 50 people


parliament has decided the fieldlab test events won't go through or paused when ICU's are occupied with more than 900 covid patients


also physical education will be allowed again in Uni's

[arista]

Netherlands: another relaxing of measures

more people welcome at funerals, total of 100 people as of April 28th, currently that total is at 50 people


parliament has decided the fieldlab test events won't go through or paused when ICU's are occupied with more than 900 covid patients


also physical education will be allowed again in Uni's



They would Love that in the UK

[Vanessa]

Numbers are coming down fast.
Today I'm at At Katrine's Docks having my lunch outside.
Absolutely beautiful weather!

[Vanessa]

They would Love that in the UK

Probably too soon.

[Nicky91]

netherlands usual pre press conference, overall of last week looking back

last week total of new cases 53.981

increase of 5.3% compared to week before

number of tests done (493.510) pretty stable (number of positive test percentage rised from 9.6 to 10.1%)


hospitalisation total 2.653 (highest since January 7th)

ICU total 823 (more or less same as April 2020)

[arista]

Numbers are coming down fast.
Today I'm at At Katrine's Docks having my lunch outside.
Absolutely beautiful weather!


Of course, we just had a mega long lockdown



Let's see in a few weeks

[Vanessa]

Of course, we just had a mega long lockdown



Let's see in a few weeks

But we've started to open up since March and the situation is still good.
Vaccination definitely helps to control the virus.

[Zizu]

But we've started to open up since March and the situation is still good.

Vaccination definitely helps to control the virus.



Businesses reopened last Monday .. Schools back today ..

Let’s see the stats in a couple of weeks ... say Tuesday 4th May or Wednesday 5th May ..


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[Cherie]

Businesses reopened last Monday .. Schools back today ..

Let’s see the stats in a couple of weeks ... say Tuesday 4th May or Wednesday 5th May ..


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School opened 9th March and by your own admission they were far more students than first lockdown between Jan and March

Church’s and Mosques didn’t close at all this time round in England at any rate

Garden Centres were open, Maccy Ds which closed in first wave were open

So numbers still fell though it was far busier than in the first wave

Bound to be an uptick, it’s whether it translates into hospital admissions and deaths is the question

[Cherie]

Not Whitty, not Valance...fake news

[Nicky91]

ok am feeling more optimistic now for my nation, now i hope for even more faster vaccine rollout

i do want a calm summer pls, one thing i wish for

[Zizu]

School opened 9th March and by your own admission they were far more students than first lockdown between Jan and March



Church’s and Mosques didn’t close at all this time round in England at any rate



Garden Centres were open, Maccy Ds which closed in first wave were open



So numbers still fell though it was far busier than in the first wave



Bound to be an uptick, it’s whether it translates into hospital admissions and deaths is the question



My point is schools were back in after the Easter holiday break ... along with many businesses reopening last week ..

Both together along with the Indian strain MAY push the figures up somewhat over the coming weeks ...


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[bots]

there is absolutely no evidence of hospitalisations going up. Do you remember at the end of the mini lockdown last year, where infections shot up from the schools being open. Thats where we were with the new uk variant. Since the vaccine rolled out there has been no evidence of that happening again, the direction has continually been downward

[Cherie]

My point is schools were back in after the Easter holiday break ... along with many businesses reopening last week ..

Both together along with the Indian strain MAY push the figures up somewhat over the coming weeks ...


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The Indian strain has hopefully been curtailed with day 2 and 8 tests after travel ...positive vibes

[Zizu]

The Indian strain has hopefully been curtailed with day 2 and 8 tests after travel ...positive vibes



COVID-19: Does the Indian variant make vaccines less effective and how concerned should we be?
Scientists are concerned vaccines are less effective against the Indian variant and it could be dominant in the UK by June.

In particular scientists and doctors are concerned this particular variant could be more transmissible and may even make vaccines less effective.

A total of 182 cases have been detected in the UK, 162 in the five weeks up to 16 April, forcing Boris Johnson to postpone his trip to India and the government to add it to its travel "red list".



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[Cherie]

COVID-19: Does the Indian variant make vaccines less effective and how concerned should we be?
Scientists are concerned vaccines are less effective against the Indian variant and it could be dominant in the UK by June.

In particular scientists and doctors are concerned this particular variant could be more transmissible and may even make vaccines less effective.

A total of 182 cases have been detected in the UK, 162 in the five weeks up to 16 April, forcing Boris Johnson to postpone his trip to India and the government to add it to its travel "red list".



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Might...may...etc

[Zizu]

COVID-19: Does the Indian variant make vaccines less effective and how concerned should we be?
Scientists are concerned vaccines are less effective against the Indian variant and it could be dominant in the UK by June.

In particular scientists and doctors are concerned this particular variant could be more transmissible and may even make vaccines less effective.

A total of 182 cases have been detected in the UK, 162 in the five weeks up to 16 April, forcing Boris Johnson to postpone his trip to India and the government to add it to its travel "red list".



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I do try and remain positive but it is difficult.


As I mentioned previously my daughter attended a first aid course last week and the guy running it said that it was generally accepted in the medical community that we’d be in another lockdown situation this October ..




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[Cherie]

I do try and remain positive but it is difficult.


As I mentioned previously my daughter attended a first aid course last week and the guy running it said that it was generally accepted in the medical community that we’d be in another lockdown situation this October ..




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Cross that bridge when we come to it?

Bojo has ordered research into antivirals that can be taken at home ...from the meeting earlier

[arista]

Tuesday 20/4/21

Today 33 Died
2,534 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,973


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
318


127,307 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezc26JdVUAE51Vd?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

India
100 Million Doses used.

But
4.4 Million Doses Wasted

1,761 Deaths Reported on Monday in India.


India's Raw Materials for their Vaccine comes from USA
USA has halted that, as they need them first.

Now Sputnik V (Russian) is expecting, to arrive by May.


Ref :WION HD (SkyHD 523)

[arista]

1384679589700591617

[Zizu]

Japan is poised to declare a state of emergency in Tokyo and two other regions amid a surge in coronavirus cases just three months before the start of the Olympic Games.

Domestic media said the government was considering tougher measures for Tokyo, Osaka prefecture and neighbouring Hyogo prefecture, as experts warned that mutant strains of the virus were driving new outbreaks and straining health services.


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/rutte-says-lifting-curfew-and-opening-outdoor-cafes-is-responsible-risk/

summary of dutch pm press conference last night


''lifting curfew and opening outdoor cafes is a responsible risk'' against the OMT advice

[Vicky.]

Of course, we just had a mega long lockdown



Let's see in a few weeks

If falling numbers were due to lockdown, the numbers would have been coming down for bloody long before they were. The falls coorelate with the vaccine numbers. Lockdwn might have kept numbers a little lower, but the main fall is clearly because of the vaccine. Confusing why some seem to want to pretend it is NOT the vaccination program actually :suspect:

As you said, a few weeks, generally accepted as 3, before a measure can be called effective or not. Lockdown has been going for ages, with nothing coming down til the vaccinatio prgram stepped up a notch.

[arista]

If falling numbers were due to lockdown, the numbers would have been coming down for bloody long before they were. The falls coorelate with the vaccine numbers. Lockdwn might have kept numbers a little lower, but the main fall is clearly because of the vaccine. Confusing why some seem to want to pretend it is NOT the vaccination program actually :suspect:

As you said, a few weeks, generally accepted as 3, before a measure can be called effective or not. Lockdown has been going for ages, with nothing coming down til the vaccinatio prgram stepped up a notch.


No It takes a Very Long Lockdown
to change the data, at the very end.

Vaccination Will Help.

[Vicky.]

It doesnt take long lockdowns to change numbers :suspect: Any stats changes from the lockdown, would be clear 3 weeks (4 at a push) into said lockdown. Same as the releasing measures, which is why we are 'opening up' slowly, to keep track of whats doing what. Generally agreed 3 weeks, for stats to show differences by each measure taken..

[bots]

what seems to be being ignored is that the recent lockdown was nothing close to as strict as the one implemented last March and yet the number of seriously ill has dropped like a stone since the vaccination programme started. The insistence by some that it is not the vaccine is quite frankly absurd

[Vicky.]

what seems to be being ignored is that the recent lockdown was nothing close to as strict as the one implemented last March and yet the number of seriously ill has dropped like a stone since the vaccination programme started. The insistence by some that it is not the vaccine is quite frankly absurd

Exactly.

No idea whats to be gained from pretending it was lockdown suddenly randomly working after ages..but...seems blatantly obvious it was/is the vaccine. Which is a good thing, so why on earth some seem determined to make out it was lockdown I dont know..

[Vanessa]

Just had my hair cut.
Im so happy!

[Vicky.]

Amazing the little things that seem like such huge achievements now isnt it :laugh: I was chuffed last week as managed to get my eyebrows tinted and waxed, which meant I could dye my hair. Couldnt do it beforehand as I look like an alien when I dye hair dark but have blonde eyebrows :D

[Vanessa]

Amazing the little things that seem like such huge achievements now isnt it :laugh: I was chuffed last week as managed to get my eyebrows tinted and waxed, which meant I could dye my hair. Couldnt do it beforehand as I look like an alien when I dye hair dark but have blonde eyebrows :D

Its been a while.
Last time I cut my hair was in 2019 :shocked::joker:

[arista]

It doesnt take long lockdowns to change numbers :suspect: Any stats changes from the lockdown, would be clear 3 weeks (4 at a push) into said lockdown. Same as the releasing measures, which is why we are 'opening up' slowly, to keep track of whats doing what. Generally agreed 3 weeks, for stats to show differences by each measure taken..



This was the longest Lockdown we have had.
So we can not compare it.

[Nicky91]

Kazakhstan total number of cases as of today April 21, 2021

346.971 cases

3.297 deaths

303.437 recoveries

[user104658]

Just had my hair cut.
Im so happy!

I went to get a haircut on Saturday and it was CLOSED in the middle of the afternoon for no apparent reason :oh:. I guess maybe the guy is self-isolating or something because it should be open.

It took me YEARS to find a good barber around here so I'm not going elsewhere, they'd just mess it up :suspect:.

[Cherie]

I went to get a haircut on Saturday and it was CLOSED in the middle of the afternoon for no apparent reason :oh:. I guess maybe the guy is self-isolating or something because it should be open.

It took me YEARS to find a good barber around here so I'm not going elsewhere, they'd just mess it up :suspect:.

erm I don't think hairdressers open in Scotland until next week :omgno:

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed that non-essential retail – including hairdressers – will begin to open from the last week of April in a "phased but significant reopening of the economy".

[Nicky91]

erm I don't think hairdressers open in Scotland until next week :omgno:

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed that non-essential retail – including hairdressers – will begin to open from the last week of April in a "phased but significant reopening of the economy".

everything can be reopened since corona is as good as gone for time being due to the worldclass amazing vaccine rollout with all you guys

no excuses anymore, time to reopen and think about economy asap

[user104658]

erm I don't think hairdressers open in Scotland until next week :omgno:

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed that non-essential retail – including hairdressers – will begin to open from the last week of April in a "phased but significant reopening of the economy".

:oh: the internet told me they were open, the LIES.

But also someone from my work has had his done :think:...

[user104658]

everything can be reopened since corona is as good as gone for time being due to the worldclass amazing vaccine rollout with all you guys

no excuses anymore, time to reopen and think about economy asap

Quite right Nicky, you need to phone up our own Wee Nicky and get her TELT.

[Vanessa]

I went to get a haircut on Saturday and it was CLOSED in the middle of the afternoon for no apparent reason :oh:. I guess maybe the guy is self-isolating or something because it should be open.

It took me YEARS to find a good barber around here so I'm not going elsewhere, they'd just mess it up :suspect:.
Oh you'll be fine.
Just make sure you tell them what you want :laugh:

[Cherie]

:oh: the internet told me they were open, the LIES.

But also someone from my work has had his done :think:...

well then, mobile barber or trip across the border :laugh:

[arista]

Wednesday 21/4/21

22 have died
2,396 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,004

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
300


127,327 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: RIVM director Jaap van Dissel has said today in a meeting, he sees ICU numbers levelling off, and it won't matter much if there is relaxed next week or half may

also with hospitalisations he said, he and the entire RIVM team expect numbers to decrease in very short term as of now, also here he bases that on signs it to be levelling off

he also said a new phase has gone in, more because of vaccinating, and the growing immunity by people who had the virus and recovered from it recently

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/22/07/42070060-0-image-m-2_1619074353290.jpg

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: for now no ban on flights from India, said our health minister De Jonge

we are aware about the new variant, but we listen to WHO and according to them it isn't extra dangerous

RIVM boss Jaap van Dissel said a travel ban is not necessary as long as people immediately go into quarantaine upon arrival and are immediately tested, the former is not a compulsory for now

[Vanessa]

I doubt I'll be going to Italy this year.
The situation over there still isn't great.
I'd rather wait until things are more stable.

[Cherie]

Netherlands: RIVM director Jaap van Dissel has said today in a meeting, he sees ICU numbers levelling off, and it won't matter much if there is relaxed next week or half may

also with hospitalisations he said, he and the entire RIVM team expect numbers to decrease in very short term as of now, also here he bases that on signs it to be levelling off

he also said a new phase has gone in, more because of vaccinating, and the growing immunity by people who had the virus and recovered from it recently

Odd decision about India, they recorded 315,000 infections today the highest in the World so far

[arista]

I doubt I'll be going to Italy this year.
The situation over there still isn't great.
I'd rather wait until things are more stable.

Yes its seems tough in Italy again
at this time, sadly.

Greece, however is ready to take loads from the UK?

[arista]

Netherlands: for now no ban on flights from India, said our health minister De Jonge

we are aware about the new variant, but we listen to WHO and according to them it isn't extra dangerous

RIVM boss Jaap van Dissel said a travel ban is not necessary as long as people immediately go into quarantaine upon arrival and are immediately tested, the former is not a compulsory for now


Every Nation is
they are saying 1 in every 3 (India)
has Covid-19
that is scary.

[Vanessa]

Every Nation is
they are saying 1 in every 3 (India)
has Covid-19
that is scary.

Are they on lockdown?

[arista]

Are they on lockdown?


Only in Major Cities
and some regions.


The Problem is the Extreme poor
are all so close together.
Some are Going around giving a free mask
but that is the temp cheap type
that only lasts a while.


And so many were in that Famous River bathing as normal
as the Modi Leader has Elections soon
so left them all to get Covid.
Tragic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56826645

[Covid: India sees world's highest
daily cases amid oxygen shortage]

[Oxygen supply has been a particular problem,
with a number of hospitals in the capital Delhi
running out entirely on Thursday,
according to the city's Deputy Chief Minister, Manish Sisodia.
Numerous other hospitals are understood
to be running dangerously low on supplies,
including one treating another Indian politician,
Saurabh Bharadwaj.]

[Nicky91]

Odd decision about India, they recorded 315,000 infections today the highest in the World so far

yes lol, exactly that is being said in our ongoing parliament debate too by some mp's

[Cherie]

yes lol, exactly that is being said in our ongoing parliament debate too by some mp's

I should be a Dutch MP :laugh:

[arista]

22/4/21 Thursday

18 have Died.
2,729 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,915

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
276


127,345 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

There are now less UK covid deaths than dementia, alzheimers and heart disease

ONS

[Cherie]

Thursday 15/4/21

30 Died.
2,672 caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
2,393


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
351


127,191 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

22/4/21 Thursday

18 have Died.
2,729 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,915

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
276


127,345 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

9.648 new cases

total of 2.682 patients in hospital (289 new today)

total of 839 patients on ICU (37 new today)

20 new deaths

[Cherie]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.789 new cases (3.317 more than yesterday however yesterday seemed to be a malfunction at RIVM so some of this is also from yesterday)

now 2.477 in total hospitalisations (decrease of 22, compared to yesterday 2.499)

789 in total ICU patients (increase of 5 compared to yesterday 784)

14 new deaths (14 less than yesterday)

Netherlands todays numbers

9.648 new cases

total of 2.682 patients in hospital (289 new today)

total of 839 patients on ICU (37 new today)

20 new deaths

for comparison Nicky

[Nicky91]

yes not going well or at least we are nearing the peak of this third wave i think

[MTVN]

Going down all the time still here ten days after pubs reopening and 6 weeks since the schools went back

[arista]

Nations above 10,000 Deaths around the World

569,518 USA deaths
381,475 Brazil deaths
213,597 Mexico deaths
184,657 India deaths
127,579 United Kingdom deaths
117,997 Italy deaths
105,328 Russia deaths
102,046 France deaths
80,969 Germany deaths
77,364 Spain deaths
69,596 Colombia deaths
68,366 Iran deaths
64,168 Poland deaths
60,083 Argentina deaths
58,261 Peru deaths
53,940 South Africa deaths
44,172 Indonesia deaths
43,041 Ukraine deaths
36,975 Turkey deaths
28,787 Czechia deaths
26,943 Romania deaths
26,001 Hungary deaths
25,353 Chile deaths
23,867 Belgium deaths
23,786 Canada deaths
17,804 Ecuador deaths
17,221 Netherlands deaths
16,952 Portugal deaths
16,698 Pakistan deaths
16,370 Philippines deaths
15,618 Bulgaria deaths
15,128 Iraq deaths
13,882 Sweden deaths
12,866 Egypt deaths
12,731 Bolivia deaths
11,357 Slovakia deaths
10,781 Bangladesh deaths
10,551 Switzerland deaths
10,026 Austria deaths




Pro Data : https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

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[bots]

COVID-19 hospitalizations among older Americans have plunged 80% since the start of the year, dramatic proof the vaccination campaign is working. Now the trick is to get more of the nation’s younger people to roll up their sleeves.

The drop-off in severe cases among people 65 and older is so dramatic that the hospitalization rate among this highly vaccinated group is now down to around the level of the next-youngest category, Americans 50 to 64.

That slide is especially encouraging because senior citizens have accounted for about 8 out of 10 deaths from COVID-19 since the virus hit the United States.

Overall, COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have plummeted to about 700 per day on average, compared with a peak of over 3,400 in mid-January. All told, the scourge has killed about 570,000 Americans.

“What you’re seeing there is exactly what we hoped and wanted to see: As really high rates of vaccinations happen, hospitalizations and death rates come down,” said Jodie Guest, a public health researcher at Emory University.

The trends mirror what is happening in other countries with high vaccination rates, such as Israel and Britain, and stand in stark contrast to the worsening disaster in places like India and Brazil, which lag far behind in dispensing shots.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-19-hospitalizations-tumble-us-senior-citizens-37f5a0ca5ab76149c1e9bfca9e34eadf

[arista]

India
was featured on NewsnightHD

A shocking video showed them having to burn bodies on wood fires
outside as the crematorium was overloaded.


VUI-21APR-01 N/A B.1.617 India 132 +55

The India Variant has gone up to 132 UK Cases.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data

[arista]

2 Important Variant Updates from the Link.


All Data from 14th April
But Updated 22nd of April

[501Y.V2
B.1.351 South Africa 670 +70]
South African Variant is now 670 UK cases


The UK Kent Variant is now [B]218,169 UK Cases

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data

[arista]

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[arista]

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[MTVN]

But those two events are trials :shrug:

[bots]

But those two events are trials :shrug:

exactly, if we don't try things, we may as well stay locked up in our houses for the next 10 years :laugh:

With all respect to those that have lost loved ones, I personally hate attending funerals, and don't see it as improving quality of life coming out of a pandemic

[arista]

But those two events are trials :shrug:


Yes, All at the Brits Tested before the Gig,
I think some may have a mask on, the older ones

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: after long debate majority of parliament backs government decisions to relax measures on April 28th

and also no travel ban on India


also demissionary PM Rutte said it was never main goal for ''herd immunity''

[arista]

Netherlands: after long debate majority of parliament backs government decisions to relax measures on April 28th

and also no travel ban on India


also demissionary PM Rutte said it was never main goal for ''herd immunity''

Thats Crazy

[Cherie]

The situation in India is heart breaking

What I can't understand is how India managed the first wave so well but failed with this one

I think they got complacent when the vaccine was being rolled out?

[arista]

The situation in India is heart breaking

What I can't understand is how India managed the first wave so well but failed with this one

I think they got complacent when the vaccine was being rolled out?


Yes its Shocking
seems Leader Modi only cares about his ReElection.


Many avoid the vaccine
following bad info.

[Nicky91]

The situation in India is heart breaking

What I can't understand is how India managed the first wave so well but failed with this one

I think they got complacent when the vaccine was being rolled out?

more to do with this new variant, what i hear about this on our news

but i think in first wave they listened to lockdown regulations quite well but now with the vaccines etc they are too tired of lockdowns

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: ICU chief Diederik Gommers fears for ''Code Black'' if number of daily new cases doesn't decrease real soon now

at code black not all covid patients can receive treatment from doctors, and we must choose who has best chances at surviving without treatment and who got the worst chances at surviving without treatment


Gommers hopes government can still cancel the relaxing of measures before tuesday in case it goes this out of control

[Cherie]

Netherlands: ICU chief Diederik Gommers fears for ''Code Black'' if number of daily new cases doesn't decrease real soon now

at code black not all covid patients can receive treatment from doctors, and we must choose who has best chances at surviving without treatment and who got the worst chances at surviving without treatment


Gommers hopes government can still cancel the relaxing of measures before tuesday in case it goes this out of control

awful situation for health workers

[Nicky91]

EU/EC have purchased another 1.8 billion Pfizer vaccine doses

Ursula von der leyen thinks by July, 70% of all adults might be vaccinated

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

9.292 new cases 321 less than yesterday (average is increasing)

2.613 in total hospitalisations 69 less than yesterday (289 new hospitalisations)

837 in total on ICU 2 less than yesterday (49 new ICU patients)

14 new deaths

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/23/16/article-9503803-42133500-645_964x543.jpg

[arista]

Friday 23/4/21

40 Died today
2,678 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,879

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
261

Total UK Deaths:127,385

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

are most of those new cases in UK, part of India variant?

[Cherie]

are most of those new cases in UK, part of India variant?

Nope, the dominant strain is the Kent variant

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210423/germanys-new-emergency-brake-covid-restrictions-to-come-into-force-saturday/

Germany: emergency brake of new covid restrictions will come into force starting tomorrow, also the curfew from 22:00 - 5:00


Jens Spahn their health minister said in press conference how he knows german people want relaxing of measures, but for time being that is not possible


also the border with austria, czech republic, netherlands, belgium remains closed as and especially the last two are ''High Risk zones''

[MTVN]

The situation in India is heart breaking

What I can't understand is how India managed the first wave so well but failed with this one

I think they got complacent when the vaccine was being rolled out?

Yeah I remember they went really hard with their first lockdown implementing it with almost no notice but it did work

Whereas only a month ago they allowed a full crowd over 50,000 to watch India play England at cricket

[Vicky.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezg4ZCIXoAcC0Zv?format=jpg&name=900x900

:joker:

[arista]

Ch4HDnews Live

India: President Modi has finally halted his Election Rallies

They Showed a Massive outside area
with Woodfires burning bodies
as the inside burner is packed with dead bodies,

[arista]

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD
Alex Crawford having to have blue gloves on.

It appears to be more than just one Covid-19 Variant

Shocking in India
inside the Hospital they are filming
they have 7 Oxygen Cylinders for around 70 people.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-people-dying-on-pavement-as-coronavirus-crisis-stretches-indias-healthcare-system-to-limit-12285080

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: one of our news shows ''Hart van Nederland'' did a survey for the public with the question

should the relaxing of measures go on, on April 28th?

55% said Yes

38% said No

7% couldn't decide

[arista]

1385841674803351555


Yes Roger India should be Front page.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210423/we-wont-be-able-to-vaccinate-everyone-in-june-warns-german-health-minister/

Germany: ''we won't be able to vaccinate everyone in june'', warns their health minister Spahn

Federal Health Minister Jens Spahn has urged German residents to have realistic expectations about the vaccination roll-out in Germany, saying lifting the priority list doesn't mean all adults will get a jab immediately.

Spahn raised hopes on Thursday when he announced that Covid vaccines would be open to adults from June. At the moment Germany follows a strict priority list on who can get the jab first, mainly based on age, health conditions and their line of work.

However, on Friday during a press conference he urged residents to remain realistic.

Spahn said the plan is to lift the priority list in June, opening vaccine appointments out to all adults – but it might not happen at the beginning of the month.

And he added: “This doesn’t mean that we’ll then be able to vaccinate everyone in June.”

Angela Merkel’s chief of staff, Helge Braun, had also urged people not to have too high expectations. He told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper that there will still be long waiting times for appointments because there won’t be enough vaccine doses.

However, the goal is still for every adult to be offered a Covid vaccine by September 21st.

As of Friday a total of 18.5 million people in Germany – around 22.2 percent – had received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine. Around 7.8 percent of the population has been fully inoculated.

Vaccination summit to discuss privileges

On Monday, a meeting between the Chancellor’s Office and the state premiers will take place to discuss the way forward on opening up vaccines to the population in Germany.

It comes after four German states – Bavaria, Berlin, Saxony and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania – removed their priority list for the AstraZeneca vaccine, opening it up to all adults (not just over 60s) as long as the patient has a consultation with a doctor.

Green Party health expert Janosch Dahmen, told the FAZ newspaper that he saw the actions of the states as “another sign of the disintegration of the federal government’s crisis management”.

Other states such as North Rhine-Westphalia, Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate, Schleswig-Holstein, Baden-Württemberg and Lower Saxony say that they are not going down this route.

Another topic at the summit will be privileges for vaccinated people. According to Spahn, there will probably be no entitlement that allows restaurants to open up for vaccinated people, for example. He also doesn’t think inoculated people will be exempt from curfews.

However, Spahn said he’s not sure what the final decisions will be.

‘Stand together’

Germany this week brought in controversial changes to the Infection Protection Act. The law prescribes for ’emergency brake’ measures, such as curfews and stricter shutdowns, to come into force in districts and cities with high Covid rates.

Spahn urged people to remember why the country needed tougher measures. There are many hospitals in Germany where the workload is very high, especially for staff, he said.

Lars Schaade, vice-president of the Robert Koch Institute, called for people to stick to the restrictions. “These weeks are difficult for all of us, so it is all the more important that we all stand together as a society,” said Schaade.

The number of new infections is rising, especially in the 30-59 age group. This group, like young people, has not yet been vaccinated for the most part.

But even for younger and healthy people, “this virus is not harmless”, said Schaade. “Severe courses can also occur in younger people.”

He added that recent studies show 10 percent of those infected developed long Covid symptoms.

On Friday Germany logged 27,543 coronavirus cases within the last 24 hours, and 265 deaths. The nationwide 7-day incidence increased to 164.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EztbGFvXIAUzi9l?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Cherie]

UK sending antivirals and ventilators to India

can anyone watch the horrifying footage and still say Covid is a hoax?

[Cherie]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210423/we-wont-be-able-to-vaccinate-everyone-in-june-warns-german-health-minister/

Germany: ''we won't be able to vaccinate everyone in june'', warns their health minister Spahn

Federal Health Minister Jens Spahn has urged German residents to have realistic expectations about the vaccination roll-out in Germany, saying lifting the priority list doesn't mean all adults will get a jab immediately.

Spahn raised hopes on Thursday when he announced that Covid vaccines would be open to adults from June. At the moment Germany follows a strict priority list on who can get the jab first, mainly based on age, health conditions and their line of work.

However, on Friday during a press conference he urged residents to remain realistic.

Spahn said the plan is to lift the priority list in June, opening vaccine appointments out to all adults – but it might not happen at the beginning of the month.

And he added: “This doesn’t mean that we’ll then be able to vaccinate everyone in June.”

Angela Merkel’s chief of staff, Helge Braun, had also urged people not to have too high expectations. He told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper that there will still be long waiting times for appointments because there won’t be enough vaccine doses.

However, the goal is still for every adult to be offered a Covid vaccine by September 21st.

As of Friday a total of 18.5 million people in Germany – around 22.2 percent – had received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine. Around 7.8 percent of the population has been fully inoculated.

Vaccination summit to discuss privileges

On Monday, a meeting between the Chancellor’s Office and the state premiers will take place to discuss the way forward on opening up vaccines to the population in Germany.

It comes after four German states – Bavaria, Berlin, Saxony and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania – removed their priority list for the AstraZeneca vaccine, opening it up to all adults (not just over 60s) as long as the patient has a consultation with a doctor.

Green Party health expert Janosch Dahmen, told the FAZ newspaper that he saw the actions of the states as “another sign of the disintegration of the federal government’s crisis management”.

Other states such as North Rhine-Westphalia, Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate, Schleswig-Holstein, Baden-Württemberg and Lower Saxony say that they are not going down this route.

Another topic at the summit will be privileges for vaccinated people. According to Spahn, there will probably be no entitlement that allows restaurants to open up for vaccinated people, for example. He also doesn’t think inoculated people will be exempt from curfews.

However, Spahn said he’s not sure what the final decisions will be.

‘Stand together’

Germany this week brought in controversial changes to the Infection Protection Act. The law prescribes for ’emergency brake’ measures, such as curfews and stricter shutdowns, to come into force in districts and cities with high Covid rates.

Spahn urged people to remember why the country needed tougher measures. There are many hospitals in Germany where the workload is very high, especially for staff, he said.

Lars Schaade, vice-president of the Robert Koch Institute, called for people to stick to the restrictions. “These weeks are difficult for all of us, so it is all the more important that we all stand together as a society,” said Schaade.

The number of new infections is rising, especially in the 30-59 age group. This group, like young people, has not yet been vaccinated for the most part.

But even for younger and healthy people, “this virus is not harmless”, said Schaade. “Severe courses can also occur in younger people.”

He added that recent studies show 10 percent of those infected developed long Covid symptoms.

On Friday Germany logged 27,543 coronavirus cases within the last 24 hours, and 265 deaths. The nationwide 7-day incidence increased to 164.

Like India, Germany did so well in the first wave, we were told testing was the answer, and Germany’s success was due to their and trace systems, what has gone wrong there :shrug:

[bots]

it's the kent variant that has done all these countries in. We were in partial lockdown and it still ran riot with the infection rate. Vaccination is the only solution to it

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

Israel has recorded no new daily Covid-19 deaths for the first time in 10 months, as the country pushes ahead with its speedy vaccination drive.

The country's coronavirus death toll remained unchanged at 6,346 on Thursday, health ministry data showed.

The last time Israel reported zero Covid-19 deaths was at the end of June last year, after lockdown measures curbed a first wave of infections.

Israel's outbreak has eased after hitting its peak in January this year.

The Israeli government started to relax lockdown restrictions a month later as vaccinations against Covid-19 were rolled out more widely.

Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world. On Thursday, the country reached the milestone of five million Covid-19 vaccinations.

[arista]

Well Done Germany
Sent by Air to India
Oxygen making machines.

[Nicky91]

i can explain maybe why it is that bad in India

1) many heavily dense populated areas you got there

2) a new mutation, more or less same amount of more infectious as brazilian variant or kent variant i think


there is no need for panic, just logical thinking and quick taking action


good of UK, Germany sending supplies


if i could give advice to their government, maybe set up some temporary hospitals like UK had with Nightingale too, and maybe also give most treatment to those who got most chance of dying without it, those who got better surviving chances without treatment i'd say let them recover in home isolation (and i think like this for my own nation at the moment too, just to lift pressure of hospitals that would be a good option)

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

8.123 new cases (average is still increasing)

2.514 total hospitalisations 99 less than yesterday (273 new hospitalisations)

816 total ICU patients 21 less than yesterday (49 new ICU patients)

22 new deaths

[arista]

Saturday 24/4/21

32 have Died
2,061 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,781

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
243


127,417 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

A man has been arrested in Spain on suspicion of assault after allegedly infecting 22 people with Covid.

The 40-year-old is alleged to have continued to go to work and the gym despite having a cough and a temperature of more than 40C (104F).

He is said to have walked around his place of work in Majorca, pulling his mask down, coughing and telling colleagues he was going to infect them.

Five colleagues and three fellow gym goers later tested positive.

Another 14 people - family members of the infected - also came down with Covid, including three one-year-olds.

[Zizu]

Today in London :(

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[Cherie]

Today in London :(

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Doesn’t this happen every week :shrug:

They need to watch footage of people dying on the street outside hospitals in India