Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Vanessa]

I think they're right in being cautious. If we open up too early things will get worse quickly.
Hopefully the vaccine will help. I really think things will be better by spring.
.

[arista]

I think they're right in being cautious. If we open up too early things will get worse quickly.
Hopefully the vaccine will help. I really think things will be better by spring.
.


The Numbers will tell us all.
Yes lets see what the Prime Minister says today at 5PM,
yesterday with The Cock
was a Wasted 40mins.

[arista]

Today
20,089 have caught Covid-19

Deaths :1,631

100,162 Total UK deaths




Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,561

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,032


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Today’s figures

Today
20,089 have caught Covid-19

Deaths :1,631

100,162 Total UK deaths




Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,561

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,032


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/






Last Tuesday’s figures to compare.

33,335 Caught Covid-19 19/1/21

1,610 Deaths


91,470 Total Deaths


Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,946

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,916


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/






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[Nicky91]

Netherlands

3.997 new cases (over a thousand less than yesterday)

219 new in hospital (50 more than yesterday)

52 new on the ICU (28 more than yesterday)

87 new deaths (14 more than yesterday)

[Zizu]

^^^^^^

Today’s figures are remarkably similar to those from a week ago apart from the infection rate which is 13,000 lower than last Tuesday :)

Some good news ...

Dread to think what happens when we lift the restrictions though


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[arista]

Johnson/Whitty/Vallance
are now Live

[arista]

^^^^^^

Today’s figures are remarkably similar to those from a week ago apart from the infection rate which is 13,000 lower than last Tuesday :)

Some good news ...

Dread to think what happens when we lift the restrictions though




Yes the PM
not giving any dates today.

[Beso]

I don't know what's so amazing about the number 100 thousand...imo it's no different to the number 1

[arista]

I don't know what's so amazing about the number 100 thousand...imo it's no different to the number 1



Yes it was to be expected
what a wasted Question
by Laura of the BBC.

[Cherie]

A week off Cherie. A wee koff. A wee cough! For goodness sakes. RUINED it. Utterly trashed :hmph:.

:laugh: soreee

Tired today and it went right over my head :laugh:

[Beso]

The joke is an "awfy cough"

[Cherie]

^^^^^^

Today’s figures are remarkably similar to those from a week ago apart from the infection rate which is 13,000 lower than last Tuesday :)

Some good news ...

Dread to think what happens when we lift the restrictions though


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One for you Zizu ...hospital deaths are down to a 1/5, so for every hospitalised 4 come home

[Beso]

One for you Zizu ...hospital deaths are down to a 1/5, so for every hospitalised 4 come home

Yes..but atm those beds are being instantly filled, and this will happen for about 3 weeks still.

[Cherie]

Yes..but atm those beds are being instantly filled, and this will happen for about 3 weeks still.

Yes I know, Zizu was asking about hospital admission deaths a few weeks ago

[Beso]

Yes I know, Zizu was asking about hospital admission deaths a few weeks ago

Tragic though eh..

The fact that the beds are just getting refilled.

I knew you knew, I was just listing the fact and fancied a chat.:wavey:

[arista]

Concluded just 36mins,

At least he said he was sorry for every Death.

[Beso]

Concluded just 36mins,

At least he said he was sorry for every Death.

People only believe sturgeon when she says that, boris looked close to tears to me.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

As a body expert, I can tell you when he shrugged his shoulders when he said the word "stage" is a coping mechanism your body automatically does to keep you in control.

[Beso]

Starmer calls the number a national tragedy.

[bots]

One for you Zizu ...hospital deaths are down to a 1/5, so for every hospitalised 4 come home

which actually puts more pressure on bed occupancy. So the number of hospitalised is likely to take a long time to come down

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210126/germany-considers-cutting-international-air-traffic-to-almost-zero

https://www.thelocal.de/20210126/court-suspends-15km-travel-ban-in-bavaria-as-sder-warns-against-relaxing-covid-rules

article1: Germany considers cutting international air traffic to almost zero


article2: 15km travel ban in Bavaria, as Markus Soder warns against relaxing covid rules

[joeysteele]

Good to hear him express at last some condolences to the masses of lost lives.

Too many press conferences he's failed to do so.

However strong questioning as to his handling of this virus.
He's was right to say, he takes responsibility for what's been done
Indeed he does and he will too.

I don't know which families he's spoken to, those of his MPs possibly who've lost loved ones.
He's refused repeatedly to speak to groups of bereaved, my family among them
Although I see he brushed over the question of if he hadn't, why not.

That's for another day.

I saw and heard no positive news in this conference.
The gloom on the faces of Whitty and Stevens saying more than Johnson's words.

Anyhow, it is a milestone, passing 100,000 which according to the ONS was near a week ago anyhow .
Never mind he's eventually been made to catch up, even on his own figures now.

It is really a scandal, to be told only in March last year, not even a year ago.
That on this pandemic a ' good ',( hardly a word to use on deaths), result would be 20,000.
10 months on, over 5 times that amount now over 100,000 loved ones lost.
Lost, gone for good.
Hundreds of thousands, and even more left devastated, grieving and for a good number, thousands possibly, even greater unnecessary losses of lives.

Passing 100,000 deaths on his own set of figures is disastrous.
I applaud his acknowledgement as to the deaths and his belated from over many weeks condolences too.

However, I'm not excusing him, his Ministers, or his government for I think what will be seen as a scandal as to his on/off procrastination, delays on PPE, the care home cruelty of captive residents being exposed to hospital discharges returning to those homes.
Then losing thousands of lives there too.

Plus care staff and NHS staff, Doctors and Nurses, also losing lives because of the governmental farce on PPE.

So this is an awful, desperately sad day.
For goodness knows how many bereaved.
From the scandal of being told we were well prepared, even before the first lockdown was thought of.
When not in any shape or form was the UK prepared at all.

He says, he takes responsibility, I hope he will because he should.
The final decisions on things have had to have his approval.
I hope unlike other inquiry's.
Once one is done in this pandemic and his government's handling of it, that he will take that responsibility and not question the findings as he likes to do.

There's a lot of people and groups longing to be heard at any inquiry.
Ready and prepared with their own sets of facts, medical records and information revealing the unnecessary risks and dangers allowed to be in place and continue to stay in place, that's brought long term and permanent health conditions from long covid, plus of course risks and dangers which have taken away loved ones with unnecessary losses of lives.

I've seen and heard nothing positive or good in this press conference.
I can sense the groans coming but my only thoughts are with all of those across the UK, who have lives left more empty and crushed by losses of close loved ones.
Those who've never been able to be with them as they lost them, or be able to pay respects to them at their funerals too.
Over 100,000 lost at the present time.

There's nothing good, positive, or to joke about as to that damning and devastating figure of Human lives lost.
Nothing at all.

[Vanessa]

Today
20,089 have caught Covid-19

Deaths :1,631

100,162 Total UK deaths




Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,561

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,032


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Cases have gone down a lot, but deaths are still way too high.

[Beso]

Nobody is joking; an everyone feel for you and hijaxers.

But we are all sitting here worried, we are all fretting about our own loved ones that we worry about never seeing again.

But people deal with that stuff differently, Tibb moves on, but tibb always had someone willing to listen. We have all lost, and tibbs still moved on. Sometimes you will see something that you find uncaring to your own personal experience, but that posters coping mechanism through the mental stress and worry through all this shouldn't be highlighted by people who have lost loved ones during all this.

I know you dont care nor believe a word I say joey
..but we all feel for you.

[Vanessa]

Yes, it's a hard time for everyone.
But we need to stay strong. I know it's so difficult.

[bots]

if we assume that each of the 100,000 had at least 5 people that were affected by the loss, then Boris would need to speak to 500,000 people personally, which just isn't going to happen. I can only speak for myself in saying that actions speak louder than words, and at the present moment, we need the vaccine rolled out as quick as we can, and that seems to be going very well

[arista]

Nations Around The World Above 10,000 Deaths from Covid-19

422,583 USA deaths
217,664 Brazil deaths
153,587 India deaths
150,273 Mexico deaths
100,358 United Kingdom deaths
86,422 Italy deaths
74,248 France deaths
69,391 Russia deaths
57,560 Iran deaths
56,794 Spain deaths
53,619 Germany deaths
51,747 Colombia deaths
47,034 Argentina deaths
41,117 South Africa deaths
39,777 Peru deaths
35,665 Poland deaths
28,468 Indonesia deaths
25,344 Turkey deaths
23,148 Ukraine deaths
20,814 Belgium deaths
18,927 Canada deaths
18,023 Chile deaths
17,938 Romania deaths
15,618 Czechia deaths
14,668 Ecuador deaths
13,772 Netherlands deaths
13,010 Iraq deaths
12,113 Hungary deaths
11,376 Pakistan deaths
11,247 Sweden deaths
11,012 Portugal deaths
10,386 Philippines deaths
10,051 Bolivia deaths



Professional Data :https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Glenn.]

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An absolute joke.

[Beso]

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They look like high class prostitutes to me.:shrug:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

They look like high class prostitutes to me.:shrug:


Rich Sluts


No one can stop them.

Or they may Even be one of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethical_Slut

[joeysteele]

So he should be too.
I'd like to be able to think he is really genuine.
However I don't.
He's sorry the figure got out of control certainly, to say he had done all he could however is in my view unbelievable.

I'm not saying any more on here on this.
To get more veiled critical moaning and groaning as to my own personal losses from this virus and how badly those losses have affected mine and my family's lives devastatingly

If he's genuinely sorry, make sure he puts in place and far sooner than later, and stop procrastinating on it further, the fullest and most open inquiry into the pandemic and his and his Ministers handling of it.

That's what I want now and to be able to get mine and other groups say presented to said inquiry.
If he's really sorry, set that up and do so now.

Today's milestone passed as to figures represent what is and should be, a scandal.
Plus it's far from over yet either.

... and he knows that too.

[arista]

[That's what I want now and to be able to get
mine and other groups say presented to said inquiry.
If he's really sorry, set that up and do so now.]

Its not over yet
no way is it wise to start wasting time on an inquiry
when we have Cornwall's G7 soon.


That will come after he has gone
and possibly by then, left our nation.

[joeysteele]

[That's what I want now and to be able to get
mine and other groups say presented to said inquiry.
If he's really sorry, set that up and do so now.]

Its not over yet
no way is it wise to start wasting time on an inquiry
when we have Cornwall's G7 soon.


That will come after he has gone
and possibly by then, left our nation.

It's NOT wasting time at all to set up an inquiry now after crossing this milestone.

IF there's things he and his government need to be held to account for, then that needs doing now.

An inquiry now is owed to those of the over 100,000 and still rising numbers who've lost their lives, with thousands avoidable too..
It's owed too, to the likely hundreds of thousands at least, of crushed, grieving families, friends, neighbours, and work colleagues of those lost loved ones before their time.

Possibly then left our Nation you say.
So you'd have him protected by a much later inquiry then..
Unbelievable.

Honestly I have to stop and say no more on here as to this.
It's beyond belief.

[arista]

It's NOT wasting time at all to set up an inquiry now after crossing this milestone.

IF there's things he and his government need to be held to account for, then that needs doing now.

An inquiry now is owed to those of the over 100,000 and still rising numbers who've lost their lives, with thousands avoidable too..
It's owed too, to the likely hundreds of thousands at least, of crushed, grieving families, friends, neighbours, and work colleagues of those lost loved ones before their time.

Possibly then left our Nation you say.
So you'd have him protected by a much later inquiry then..
Unbelievable.

Honestly I have to stop and say no more on here as to this.
It's beyond belief.


"It's NOT wasting time at all to set up an
inquiry now after crossing this milestone."



Joey we have 3 Known Variants
we have no proof the Vaccine can save us, yet.


It is Not the Time for a Slow Poxy Inquiry,
Just because we have a High Number
that changes nothing.


After everything has halted
or a Change in Government.
Not Before.

[Zizu]

I understand the bloodlust to find someone to blame but we are NOT the ONLY country to suffer huge losses

We are also a relatively small island with a very dense population - apparently with a much higher than average % of elderly residents- with lax border control compared to the US or Australia for example

We were always going to struggle with a pandemic imho .


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[joeysteele]

"It's NOT wasting time at all to set up an
inquiry now after crossing this milestone."



Joey we have 3 Known Variants
we have no proof the Vaccine can save us, yet.


It is Not the Time for a Slow Poxy Inquiry,
Just because we have a High Number
that changes nothing.


After everything has halted
or a Change in Government.
Not Before.

Yeah, have it your way arista.
This government by its procrastination and shocking lack of planning even with foreknowledge has in part put.its citizens in great danger and led to thousands of lost lives unnecessarily.

That has been done, I'm convinced any correctly fully open inquiry would find that..
That needs to be done for all those who have now already lost their lives.
They are owed that now.
Not in the future.

It's not bloodlust at all either Zizu.
I have been complaining about this and all aspects of this Man's deliberate procrastination and playing games with citizens lives from the start of this pandemic.

His very first lockdown was too late even, never mind all the mess he's made of the whole issue since.

It's farcical how this government has dealt with this and why we've the highest death toll in Europe and only behind Nations with much greater populations.

He won't do a full open inquiry now because he knows what it will find.

It isn't bloodlust to want justice for loved ones losing their lives before their time because of others gross incompetence of planning and protection.
It's not bloodlust, it's actually right and justice.

Anyway, just jump in and protect that incompetent who is supposed to be leading and protecting all.


I'm done on covid threads on this forum because those jumping at me for personal losses devastation to mine and my Mum's lives, then protecting this sick and useless PM.on this issue.
Well that just makes me more mad.

Totally unbelievable, anyhow I'm done totally.
4 losses I've had, I don't want no more, yet more will still happen possibly to my own family's lives and others lives and in part still down to this clown's, dangerous clown's gross incompetence.

Don't fret yourselves.
I'm done on covid threads on the forum.
They just infuriate me anyway when anything will be done to support and protect this PM and his ministers, while disregarding all the unnecessarily lost lives of OTHERS loved ones.
Of all ages too, not just elderly.

Sick, just sick

[Ammi]

...this is such a terrifying time and obviously a time of such grief and sadness for families ...not just the loss of their loved ones to the virus but also, not being able to be with them in their passing...100,000 deaths reached...?...but Professor Andrew Hayward said that figure wasn’t accurate, that terrifying figure was reached around 3 weeks ago and the current one would be more 120,000....so what are we to believe, I mean, just moments after that was said, the government say ‘we have sadly just reached...’ and that appears to be inaccurate and therefore, a lie ...I have no trust in Boris, none at all...the details/data for the U.K. are absolutely terrifying but it’s also the lack of trust in this government...he’s been condemned for giving inaccurate information about nursing salaries and the ‘government official information’ is conflicting with scientific, medial information....?...and also as Professor Howard said, a delay in decisions when they have come has cost many lives...trying to save an economy that was never going to be and could never be saved with such a huge life loss, was only ever going to be and lead to ‘failing at both’...his words of ‘I’m sorry’ are just so hollow ...

[Vanessa]

Things will be better by spring, i'm sure if it.
We have the vaccines and the lockdown is working as well.

[Ammi]

Things will be better by spring, i'm sure if it.
We have the vaccines and the lockdown is working as well.

...:love:...

[user104658]

Things will be better by spring, i'm sure if it.
We have the vaccines and the lockdown is working as well.

Things will be better certainly by mid-spring and probably over summer as well like last year, but the real question is what happens towards the end of autumn and into winter.

And that really depends on new strains and how effective the vaccines are against them.

[Vanessa]

Things will be better certainly by mid-spring and probably over summer as well like last year, but the real question is what happens towards the end of autumn and into winter.

And that really depends on new strains and how effective the vaccines are against them.

We need to be careful about who comes in the UK.
They need to keep testing the people who come in.
If they don't we will be in the same situation next winter.

[arista]

[This government by its procrastination and shocking
lack of planning even with foreknowledge has
in part put.its citizens in great danger and led
to thousands of lost lives unnecessarily.]

Yes Joey
whoever would be in power
would have problems.
And yes Conservative Lockdowns
were all to late.

[bots]

we can easily get hung up on strategies and timings, but quite simply, if people social distanced, we wouldn't have the infection and death rate that we now have. That's what it all boils down to and that is dependent on so many specific individual factors. From a strategic stand point, the government could and should have done better, but people saying the death rate would have been much lower if, are speculating based on their own particular notions of what would have been better. We just don't know because that was not the avenue we went down at a particular point in time.

[arista]

we can easily get hung up on strategies and timings, but quite simply, if people social distanced, we wouldn't have the infection and death rate that we now have. That's what it all boils down to and that is dependent on so many specific individual factors. From a strategic stand point, the government could and should have done better, but people saying the death rate would have been much lower if, are speculating based on their own particular notions of what would have been better. We just don't know because that i not the avenue we went down at a particular point in time.



Yes it's a simple thing to ask.

[user104658]

Yes it's a simple thing to ask.

It is but you're talking about 70 million people and when you need something to be done on that scale, there will be a "margin of error". There's no way to avoid that. A portion of that number will get it wrong, either through not caring, or through not understanding what they're supposed to be doing.

[Ammi]

...no, people aren’t speculating on their own notions...they’re looking at medical/scientific information that makes sense and doesn’t constantly contradict and confuse, then apologise...because it doesn’t try to balance the economy and lives, which is an impossibility, without failing at both...

[Ammi]

Things will be better certainly by mid-spring and probably over summer as well like last year, but the real question is what happens towards the end of autumn and into winter.

And that really depends on new strains and how effective the vaccines are against them.

...and this...as the vaccines are being developed, so the virus is also ‘developing’ and it’s ‘a race’ really, isn’t it because the virus doesn’t stand still while immunity is striven for...

[arista]

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[arista]

It is but you're talking about 70 million people and when you need something to be done on that scale, there will be a "margin of error". There's no way to avoid that. A portion of that number will get it wrong, either through not caring, or through not understanding what they're supposed to be doing.


Yes I blame the Youth.

[AnnieK]

Yes I blame the Youth.

You don't blame the
Wash your hands
Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Stay home
Eat out to help out
Pubs open
Pubs closed
Lockdown
Restrictions eased
Christmas mixing
Open borders and no checks

I could go on....but yeah it the youths what done it

[Nicky91]

Yes I blame the Youth.

no you should blame those anti-maskers

their leaders especially whom brainwash people into being against government, into thinking regulations take all your freedoms away (which isn't true, you still have the freedom what you do at home)

[user104658]

You don't blame the
Wash your hands
Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Stay home
Eat out to help out
Pubs open
Pubs closed
Lockdown
Restrictions eased
Christmas mixing
Open borders and no checks

I could go on....but yeah it the youths what done it

We all know that it was primarily blokes in the 30 - 60 age bracket who were gasping to get back to spitting all over each other's faces at the pub.

[Ammi]

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[arista]

You don't blame the
Wash your hands
Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Stay home
Eat out to help out
Pubs open
Pubs closed
Lockdown
Restrictions eased
Christmas mixing
Open borders and no checks

I could go on....but yeah it the youths what done it


On the Eat Out
Social Distancing was not good enough.


And
The Xmas Mixing was halted at the last minute

[AnnieK]

On the Eat Out
Social Distancing was not good enough.


And
The Xmas Mixing was halted at the last minute

We still had one day of official mixing and the fact that they said we would have 5 and people had made plans means that people broke the rules.

:shrug:

[Ammi]

...the Christmas household mixing was screamed at...‘don’t do it’ by the medical world as soon as it was suggested but the government still proceeded with ‘we will save Christmas etc’ ...it was set up to fail and some people to not adhere to the changes because of the lateness of them...again halting it was not ‘sorry enough’ when the medical world had screened NO so loudly...it should never have been something that was going ahead in the first place...

[user104658]

Yes I agree, if they had said straight away "don't make elaborate Christmas plans" more people would have stuck to it. They gave thre green light for making plans and then said "actually no..." a couple of weeks before the day, so people just said "**** it" and went with what they had planned.

[user104658]

Eat Out to Help Out was a joke too... we didn't do it (the only time we had a meal out the whole pandemic was very early in the summer when it was first allowed, the place was basically empty but we STILL felt a bit grubby afterwards) but we are a fan of a Starbucks drive-through... and there's a restaurant right next to our nearest Starbucks that has big floor to ceiling glass windows... and every time we drove past during eat out to help out, it was PACKED! Groups clearly not together sat back-to-back at tables :facepalm:.

[Ammi]

Yes I agree, if they had said straight away "don't make elaborate Christmas plans" more people would have stuck to it. They gave thre green light for making plans and then said "actually no..." a couple of weeks before the day, so people just said "**** it" and went with what they had planned.

...no ‘human behaviour’ was factored in at all in how many wouldn’t change their plans because the psychology that Boris used was...’this is Christmas, this is making Christmas great again and saving it’...and then to try to strip that away after building it up in public hopes...of course that would mean that many wouldn’t comply...human psychology isn’t factored in to so much but human blame is apparent constantly...

[Nicky91]

no need to talk about the past, you guys can only hope things go better now and numbers go down smoothly

[AnnieK]

I haven't eaten out once since this all began, not even had a takeaway (although I've never been a huge takeaway fan) but every restaurant near me that was on the scheme was packed during august and loads carried on offering deals once the scheme had ended. To be fair as the industry has been hit so hard, I don't blame them after the gov dangled that particular carrot

[AnnieK]

no need to talk about the past, you guys can only hope things go better now and numbers go down smoothly

We absolutely should look at the past.....that's how we learn and improve and don't make the same terrible mistakes again

[user104658]

...no ‘human behaviour’ was factored in at all in how many wouldn’t change their plans because the psychology that Boris used was...’this is Christmas, this is making Christmas great again and saving it’...and then to try to strip that away after building it up in public hopes...of course that would mean that many wouldn’t comply...human psychology isn’t factored in to so much but human blame is apparent constantly...

I agree, he just added to the idea that many already have that Christmas Day is the most important day of the year and that it would be some massive disaster to miss it. Don't get me wrong, I do like and enjoy Christmas but hyping it up as something unmissable was the worst message they could have given this year. "Worth The Risk" was the message.

[user104658]

We absolutely should look at the past.....that's how we learn and improve and don't make the same terrible mistakes again

I personally can't wait for "Eat Out To Help Out 2: 4th Wave Boogaloo" in August :joker:

[Cherie]

I personally can't wait for "Eat Out To Help Out 2: 4th Wave Boogaloo" in August :joker:

I don't think it will be needed, people will go out, no encouragement needed!

[Cherie]

tbh I feel people only hear what they want to hear at times

the whole Christmas thing was something if you thought about it sensibly it really wasn't worth the risk, but the Government said it was okay so...these are the same people who would ordinarily say I don't trust the government :facepalm:

[Nicky91]

We absolutely should look at the past.....that's how we learn and improve and don't make the same terrible mistakes again

yes ok from that perspective you definitely have a good point

100k deaths is just awful, which is what i also wanted to say


learning and improving from this would be shielding the elderly and more vulnerable better

[Glenn.]

we can easily get hung up on strategies and timings, but quite simply, if people social distanced, we wouldn't have the infection and death rate that we now have. That's what it all boils down to and that is dependent on so many specific individual factors. From a strategic stand point, the government could and should have done better, but people saying the death rate would have been much lower if, are speculating based on their own particular notions of what would have been better. We just don't know because that was not the avenue we went down at a particular point in time.

I read yesterday that if we had gone into the first lockdown a week earlier, 20,000 people wouldn’t have died...

You cannot put the blame on people not social distancing. There was decent compliance during the first lockdown. The blame lies with the morons whose only concern was trying to save the economy instead of saving lives.

[Ammi]

I read yesterday that if we had gone into the first lockdown a week earlier, 20,000 people wouldn’t have died...

You cannot put the blame on people not social distancing. There was decent compliance during the first lockdown. The blame lies with the morons whose only concern was trying to save the economy instead of saving lives.

...yeah I think that was also Professor Andrew Hayward who said that, Glenn...just before the briefing...also that the 100,000 figure being quoted was reached around 3 weeks ago and it would be close to 120/125,000 now ...also that trying to balance economy loss with life loss would only ever project failing in both...

[bots]

I read yesterday that if we had gone into the first lockdown a week earlier, 20,000 people wouldn’t have died...

You cannot put the blame on people not social distancing. There was decent compliance during the first lockdown. The blame lies with the morons whose only concern was trying to save the economy instead of saving lives.

nobody can possibly say that with any certainty. It's human nature to say "what if ", but that guys models proved to be complete nonsense against reality more often than not, so I take anything he says with a giant pinch of salt.

The government don't want people to die, the way people talk you would think it was their aim to have the maximum deaths possible. I think the government have been dreadful in some aspects during the pandemic and pretty good in others, but no-one can say we would have saved n lives if we had only done this then, it just doesn't work that way

[arista]

The PM says he hopes
schools to open on
Monday 8th of March.

Live in Parliament now.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55828952

[joeysteele]

...yeah I think that was also Professor Andrew Hayward who said that, Glenn...just before the briefing...also that the 100,000 figure being quoted was reached around 3 weeks ago and it would be close to 120/125,000 now ...also that trying to balance economy loss with life loss would only ever project failing in both...

I wasn't going to comment further however your posts are strong ones.

You do know of course, anyone saying anything really at odds with the government line.
Will be talking rubbish.

As I get on here despite the knowledge I have acquired.

From those who'll say, the government hadn't done all right but no one would do better.

Of course they possibly could with different priorities..
However Cons will dive in, to in a veiled way or outrightly try to protect this useless PM.

They can't say either others wouldn't have done better.

My personal belief, yes I add personal before I'm pulled up and told that it's only my personal..
There's no other combination that would have done worse than this bunch of dangerous incompetents have.
I'll go further I don't think they'd have done even just as bad either.

Well done on your post heading this page Ammi
It's right and yes, this PM's and his more like crocodile tears are hollow, a very wide hollow IN MY VIEW too.
No matter what his defenders will jump in to dismiss.

100,000 deaths,already much more as you and the ONS point out,.
If that's him doing his best and even a fair job, then God help us all.

[LukeB]

nobody can possibly say that with any certainty. It's human nature to say "what if ", but that guys models proved to be complete nonsense against reality more often than not, so I take anything he says with a giant pinch of salt.

The government don't want people to die, the way people talk you would think it was their aim to have the maximum deaths possible. I think the government have been dreadful in some aspects during the pandemic and pretty good in others, but no-one can say we would have saved n lives if we had only done this then, it just doesn't work that way

I mean it's quite obvious lives would have been saved if the gov acted sooner rather than letting it get out of control. Those who don't social distance are not the only ones to blame. It's not always possible to social distance in busy retail shops and don't forget the gov was slow with masks too. By not having lockdown is allowing it to spread and the hospitals to be overcrowded which also means more deaths.

[Nicky91]

I wasn't going to comment further however your posts are strong ones.

You do know of course, anyone saying anything really at odds with the government line.
Will be talking rubbish.

As I get on here despite the knowledge I have acquired.

From those who'll say, the government hadn't done all right but no one would do better.

Of course they possibly could with different priorities..
However Cons will dive in, to in a veiled way or outrightly try to protect this useless PM.

They can't say either others wouldn't have done better.

My personal belief, yes I add personal before I'm pulled up and told that it's only my personal..
There's no other combination that would have done worse than this bunch of dangerous incompetents have.
I'll go further I don't think they'd have done even just as bad either.

Well done on your post heading this page Ammi
It's right and yes, this PM's and his more like crocodile tears are hollow, a very wide hollow IN MY VIEW too.
No matter what his defenders will jump in to dismiss.

100,000 deaths,already much more as you and the ONS point out,.
If that's him doing his best and even a fair job, then God help us all.

shame UK hasn't got someone like Merkel

UK can easily go for ''regional travel bans'' too, that would really have effect on slowing down the spread of the virus


not saying anything about vaccinations, one thing what UK government has done right so far with first jab (but the WHO said today you don't have to wait 3 weeks until second jab)

as for the christmas mixing, in Germany they also did this (not with huge numbers of households) but also first handing out test kits to families to test themselves and letting those who come over also get tested


blaming the youth is also very childishly shoving the blame onto someone else for the mistakes made (they could've easily used the social media platforms to reach the younger generations and making them aware of how dangerous covid-19 is)

[arista]

1354365944190132225

The F word is in the middle

[Jack_]

“You don’t deserve to listen to my life story”

:joker: :joker: :joker:

[arista]

“You don’t deserve to listen to my life story”

:joker: :joker: :joker:


ITV should show it again.
Spunky Jack

[Nicky91]

Netherlands new cases

4.774 new cases (still below the average of last 7 days, so it's still going down)

2.299 in hospital (80 less than yesterday)

651 on the ICU (23 less than yesterday)

no data on amount of new deaths yet

[Beso]

My birthday coming to the rescue.

[arista]

South America,
Southern Africa and
Portugal, amid concern over new variants of the virus.]

[Most overseas visitors from those countries are
already barred from entering the UK.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55821702

[Oliver_W]

I don't get why people are being let in in the first place - anyone going to holiday should have been back long ago, most business things can be done online, no-one should be going abroad for leisure ...

Just give people currently out of the country a few days grace to drop whatever they're doing and come home, don't let anyone in who doesn't live here, and clamp down the borders. There's a bloody pandemic on, and we have one of the worst death rates, the government have no excuse for being so lax on this.

[arista]

Prime Minister Johnson
with 2 others, live at 5PM again today,
Roadmap top unlock Monday 8th of March.


BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio5
LBC
Times radio DAB.

[arista]

I don't get why people are being let in in the first place - anyone going to holiday should have been back long ago, most business things can be done online, no-one should be going abroad for leisure ...

Just give people currently out of the country a few days grace to drop whatever they're doing and come home, don't let anyone in who doesn't live here, and clamp down the borders. There's a bloody pandemic on, and we have one of the worst death rates, the government have no excuse for being so lax on this.


They are Visiting Relatives
abroad and coming home.

Some are CEO's
that have to travel for Essential Business.

[Oliver_W]

They are Visiting Relatives
abroad and coming home.

Some are CEO's
that have to travel for Essential Business.

All can be done online.

The kind of people who travel the world for "essential" business can accomplish pretty much the same thing from their computer tbh

[arista]

All can be done online.

The kind of people who travel the world for "essential" business can accomplish pretty much the same thing from their computer tbh



No Relatives can be ill
so they must visit in person.

[Marsh.]

No Relatives can be ill
so they must visit in person.

Erm. You mean like people being allowed to be at the bedside of dying relatives in care homes and hospitals?

Oh wait. That's not allowed.

Give your head a wobble.

[arista]

Erm. You mean like people being allowed to be at the bedside of dying relatives in care homes and hospitals?

Oh wait. That's not allowed.

Give your head a wobble.



No these are ill people in their own homes.

[arista]

The PM is Live



He hopes to open Schools Monday March the 8th
unless the numbers go wrong. (Review 22nd Feb)

[arista]

Today
1,725 Have Died today.

101,887 Total UK Deaths.

25,308 Today caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,605


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,961


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[joeysteele]

What on earth may be the point of starting schools on or just after 8th March.
When around 2 weeks later, it's Easter!!

[Vanessa]

Cases are coming down, but deaths are still way too high.

[arista]

What on earth may be the point of starting schools on or just after 8th March.
When around 2 weeks later, it's Easter!!



Its due to the infections (The Health Doctors say so)
and will be checked on the 22 Feb Monday
as long as numbers are at the right amount,
Some Primary Schools then to open
8th March Monday.

It's unfortunate that Easter is 2 weeks later

[Vanessa]

They all seem more positive tonight, which is nice.

[user104658]

Its due to the infections (The Health Doctors say so)
and will be checked on the 22 Feb Monday
as long as numbers are at the right amount,
Some Primary Schools then to open
8th March Monday.

It's unfortunate that Easter is 2 weeks later

It's not just unfortunate, it's dumb. Far more disruptive to send kids back for two weeks then have them off yet again. I'm not sure what the situation is here in Scotland with schools, but it it's a similar timeframe, mine won't be going back until after Easter.

[Zizu]

What on earth may be the point of starting schools on or just after 8th March.
When around 2 weeks later, it's Easter!!




Maybe it’s to give everybody a chance to get back into the swing of things and pupils to catch up with their friends and get used to the routines again for 2 or 3 weeks then have Easter fortnight off then a fresh start after a Easter ...

We will probably all have to have staggered starts / endings / breaks /lunchtimes AGAIN ..

It all seems rather optimistic given the daily new infections number .

There was an minister on last week saying schools can’t return until the daily NEW infections were under 2,000 ..




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[Marsh.]

No these are ill people in their own homes.

Right. Who aren't allowed to mix with other households. Including ones in other countries.

[arista]

It's not just unfortunate, it's dumb. Far more disruptive to send kids back for two weeks then have them off yet again. I'm not sure what the situation is here in Scotland with schools, but it it's a similar timeframe, mine won't be going back until after Easter.



How Nice

[arista]

Right. Who aren't allowed to mix with other households. Including ones in other countries.


They can isolate
before visiting, of course

[Marsh.]

They can isolate
before visiting, of course

Or they can stay at home and FaceTime like every bugger else.

[Cherie]

Two days ago ...when will school open PM, mental health, falling behind etc

Today...isn’ it too early for schools to open PM

The good old British press :laugh:

8th March is the earliest and only if the data supports it

[Marsh.]

Two days ago ...when will school open PM, mental health, falling behind etc

Today...isn’ it too early for schools to open PM

The good old British press :laugh:

8th March is the earliest and only if the data supports it

Who's said "too early"?

They're questioning the point of doing it right before another set of school holidays?

[Cherie]

Who's said "too early"?

They're questioning the point of doing it right before another set of school holidays?

Clean your ears

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

not enough effect of curfew yet in France, so it needs to stay for a while longer

[arista]

Johnson is Going to Scotland Tomorrow,


SNP leader
said it is not essential

Its not for her to say
he is the PM.


Ref:Ch4HDnews.

[joeysteele]

Johnson is Going to Scotland Tomorrow,


SNP leader
said it is not essential

Its not for her to say
he is the PM.


Ref:Ch4HDnews.

Why is it essential.
Everyone is being told not to travel out of London except for necessary work etc:

She is the First Minister of Scotland.
Still how can respect for that be expected from some of the English.

[Oliver_W]

Johnson is Going to Scotland Tomorrow,


SNP leader
said it is not essential

Its not for her to say
he is the PM.


Ref:Ch4HDnews.
Whether or not it's for her to say, why does he need to go Scotland ?

[Marsh.]

Clean your ears

Clean your knickers

[arista]

Whether or not it's for her to say, why does he need to go Scotland ?


To meet the Scottish Conservative MP's
and Visit a medical centre

[Smithy]

What was the 5pm briefing about?

[arista]

What was the 5pm briefing about?


Some Schools to open Monday 8th of March
providing by Feb 22nd the numbers are lower.

[Zizu]

Some Schools to open Monday 8th of March

providing by Feb 22nd the numbers are lower.



Maybe , possibly...


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsxaZRkXIAAi8A-?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/28/lockdown-exit-strategy-opens-schools-first-drop-curfew-reopen-shops

Netherlands: lockdown exit strategy whenever we are going out of lockdown, whenever safe enough

first open schools, then drop curfew and then reopen shops

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: this year 100.000 people will lose their jobs bc of the coronacrisis, last year 86.000 people lost their jobs

[Zizu]

Netherlands: this year 100.000 people will lose their jobs bc of the coronacrisis, last year 86.000 people lost their jobs



I think the uk lost 800,000 jobs last year ... I actually expected the number to be far higher tbh


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[Glenn.]

nobody can possibly say that with any certainty. It's human nature to say "what if ", but that guys models proved to be complete nonsense against reality more often than not, so I take anything he says with a giant pinch of salt.

The government don't want people to die, the way people talk you would think it was their aim to have the maximum deaths possible. I think the government have been dreadful in some aspects during the pandemic and pretty good in others, but no-one can say we would have saved n lives if we had only done this then, it just doesn't work that way

It’s common sense that if we had gone into lockdown earlier than we did, less people would have died/been infected. The abysmal thing being is that the government have had THREE opportunities to do this and failed every one of them.

[Denver]

It’s common sense that if we had gone into lockdown earlier than we did, less people would have died/been infected. The abysmal thing being is that the government have had THREE opportunities to do this and failed every one of them.

You do realise not everyone who died actually died of covid, anyone who ever tested positive for England and dies is put as covid meaning you could have for it 6 months ago then get run over by a bus and they will still put it as Covid.

[bots]

It’s common sense that if we had gone into lockdown earlier than we did, less people would have died/been infected. The abysmal thing being is that the government have had THREE opportunities to do this and failed every one of them.

that's just not a statement that can be made as fact

If people had social distanced like they were told to, no lockdowns would have been necessary ... that is a fact

[LukeB]

that's just not a statement that can be made as fact

If people had social distanced like they were told to, no lockdowns would have been necessary ... that is a fact

It's not always possible to social distance in retail shops and at the beginning of this masks weren't a thing. People weren't social distancing you're right but the gov allowed that to happen as they didn't take action until it got way out of control..3 times.

[Cherie]

It's not always possible to social distance in retail shops and at the beginning of this masks weren't a thing. People weren't social distancing you're right but the gov allowed that to happen as they didn't take action until it got way out of control..3 times.

tbh I think it is aa very small percentage that are getting covid from passing someone briefly in a shop especially if both are wearing masks and sanitising hands on entry and exit and distancing while queueing

the second wave has been worse then the first and mask wearing was in force for the second wave

[Nicky91]

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/engelbert-humperdinck-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-40019955.html

Engelbert Humperdinck tests positive for covid-19

[Cherie]

It’s common sense that if we had gone into lockdown earlier than we did, less people would have died/been infected. The abysmal thing being is that the government have had THREE opportunities to do this and failed every one of them.

Italy locked down early and had a much tougher lockdown as did Spain, their numbers aren't much different particularly when you take how the counting is done differently in each country

[LukeB]

tbh I think it is aa very small percentage that are getting covid from passing someone briefly in a shop especially if both are wearing masks and sanitising hands on entry and exit and distancing while queueing

the second wave has been worse then the first and mask wearing was in force for the second wave

that's probably the case now but it wasn't back then because masks rules was brought in late. If we were on the ball I doubt we would have had this many deaths.

Not everyone is wearing a mask though and are never challenged and the police are too busy fining girls who were social distancing who had a cup of coffee in their hands. Second wave is bad mostly because of schools and lockdown 2 was lifted way too early. Mistakes from the gov and people costs lives.

[Cherie]

that's probably the case now but it wasn't back then because masks rules was brought in late. If we were on the ball I doubt we would have had this many deaths.

Not everyone is wearing a mask though and are never challenged and the police are too busy fining girls who were social distancing who had a cup of coffee in their hands. Second wave is bad mostly because of schools and lockdown 2 was lifted way too early. Mistakes costs lives.

it is also because stupid people mixed on Christmas day and beyond when they ha vulnerable people in their families just because the government said it was okay, though if they actually listened they said it should be carefully considered not taken as a given to do it, but it was Christmas and people had to have that Boxing day game of scrabble with Aunty Jane

[Zizu]

that's probably the case now but it wasn't back then because masks rules was brought in late. If we were on the ball I doubt we would have had this many deaths.

Not everyone is wearing a mask though and are never challenged and the police are too busy fining girls who were social distancing who had a cup of coffee in their hands. Second wave is bad mostly because of schools and lockdown 2 was lifted way too early. Mistakes from the gov and people costs lives.



Many teenage girls/young women don’t like wearing masks because it messes up their makeup throughout the day !!

Crazy but sadly true


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[user104658]

tbh I think it is aa very small percentage that are getting covid from passing someone briefly in a shop especially if both are wearing masks and sanitising hands on entry and exit and distancing while queueing

the second wave has been worse then the first and mask wearing was in force for the second wave

Frankly I don't think mask usage in shops does ANYTHING AT ALL to reduce spread, and there's never been any evidence to the contrary. It's worth continuing because... It can't do any harm, and it's not a big ask... But I don't thi k it makes much difference if any. On public transport etc. its probably much more important. Sanitising hands is important but that's more about your own hand being sanitised before you eat or touch your face.

The thing that brings down transmission is people staying away from each other socially, especially indoors. That's pretty much it. That's why lockdowns are the only thing thus far to consistently bring down infection rates.

[arista]

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/engelbert-humperdinck-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-40019955.html

Engelbert Humperdinck tests positive for covid-19



I hope he can get through it

[arista]

Today
1,239 have Died

28,680 have caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
36,931

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,937


103,126 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

FFS

Vaccine BAN: Germany to stop giving AstraZeneca jab to over-65s in bombshell move.

Germany's vaccine committee made the announcement this afternoon, and said the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be given to people aged under 65. The update to its vaccine recommendation is due to lack of sufficient data to recommend use in older age groups, it said.

"The AstraZeneca vaccine, unlike the mRNA vaccines, should only be offered to people aged 18-64 years at each stage."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1390269/vaccine-EU-latest-astrezeneca-germany-over65s-oxford-vaccine-covid19/amp


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[AnnieK]

FFS

Vaccine BAN: Germany to stop giving AstraZeneca jab to over-65s in bombshell move.

Germany's vaccine committee made the announcement this afternoon, and said the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be given to people aged under 65. The update to its vaccine recommendation is due to lack of sufficient data to recommend use in older age groups, it said.

"The AstraZeneca vaccine, unlike the mRNA vaccines, should only be offered to people aged 18-64 years at each stage."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1390269/vaccine-EU-latest-astrezeneca-germany-over65s-oxford-vaccine-covid19/amp


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My Dad had the AZ injection today....he is 74 :worry:

[Zizu]

My Dad had the AZ injection today....he is 74 :worry:



I’m so sorry I honestly didn’t intend to worry you ... I’m 63 in a few weeks so it’s very ‘close to home’ for me as well ..

It’s hopefully a storm in a teacup and nothing to worry about .. it’s just my mindset at the moment goes straight to ‘worse case scenario’ mode ...”

I guess they wouldn’t have used it on millions of over 70’s if there was even the slightest of doubts


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[bots]

The head of the vaccine authority here and AZ have both said what the germans have said is rubbish ... Another argument brewing

[Zizu]

The head of the vaccine authority here and AZ have both said what the germans have said is rubbish ... Another argument brewing



Sky News on NOW..

They are saying that it’s not a safety concern ( phew) it’s more a concern about how much or LITTLE protection/immunity the vaccine offers to over 65’s .. . Germany are saying there just isn’t enough data for the over 65s for them to approve it .

So even if the EU give the green light over the coming days Germany will only be offering the vaccine to UNDER 65s .


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[Zizu]

My Dad had the AZ injection today....he is 74 :worry:



Right .. please see my reply above ..

There’s apparently nothing to worry about health wise it’s more to do with how much protection it offers us oldies ..


AstraZeneca are saying that they are 100% confident that their vaccine will indeed protect all ages ...

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[arista]

The head of the vaccine authority here and AZ have both said what the Germans have said is rubbish ... Another argument brewing


Bad tests they (Germans)did.

[smudgie]

Hmmm sounds like the Germans are after getting rid of the oldies then:hehe:

[AnnieK]

Right .. please see my reply above ..

There’s apparently nothing to worry about health wise it’s more to do with how much protection it offers us oldies ..


AstraZeneca are saying that they are 100% confident that their vaccine will indeed protect all ages ...

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Thanks Zizu :love:

[Zizu]

Bad tests they (Germans)did.



It’s not the Germans testing apparently ..
It’s just their scientists are saying that AstraZenica didn’t test enough over 65s so there isn’t enough data available to GUARANTEE the vaccine will provide sufficient protection for over 65s


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[arista]

It’s not the Germans testing apparently ..
It’s just their scientists are saying that AstraZenica didn’t test enough over 65s so there isn’t enough data available to GUARANTEE the vaccine will provide sufficient protection for over 65s



But AstraZeneca say thats not true

[arista]

Crazy relatives
entered a Surrey Hospital
to take out a Covid-19 infected old man.


One Punk said to the Doctor
do you have "power of the attorney"
The Doctor said he would die
without Oxygen.


Security got there in the end
and removed them.

[arista]

[COVID-19: More countries added to UK travel 'red list'
There will also be a ban on direct flights from the UAE,
which is made up of seven emirates
including Abu Dhabi and Dubai.]

[From 1pm on Friday, non-British or Irish passengers
who have been in or transited through those
countries in the last 10 days will no longer
be granted access to the UK.
British and Irish nationals, or other nationals
with residence rights in the UK,
will still be able to enter the country
but will have to self-isolate for 10 days at home.
They will not have the option to reduce their
isolation period with a negative COVID test.
Image: Non-British or Irish passengers from
the three countries will no longer
be granted access to the UK
Any travel exemptions usually in place,
including for business travel, will not apply.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-more-countries-added-to-uk-travel-red-list-12201587

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2879/production/_116716301_1archie8.jpg

A mother whose baby survived E-coli infection, sepsis and Covid-19 after being born at 1lb 11oz has described him as "our little warrior".

Sheree Murray was 25 weeks pregnant when she gave birth to Archie, who weighed just 765g, on 1 December.

At five weeks old Archie had an E-coli infection which led to sepsis, and a week later his parents were told he had tested positive for Covid-19.

He had to go into isolation for 10 days which "felt like an eternity".

Archie was unable to breathe when he was born and Ms Murray said she and his dad Robert Edwards, 21, were "so scared" as medics "worked on him for 40 minutes".

His parents could not touch him for four days, but Ms Murray said when she could first hold his hand it was the "most magical moment I had ever been in".

The 21-year-old, from Colne in Lancashire, has since spent every day at Burnley General Hospital where the neonatal nurses have "helped so much".

Ms Murray said she was "devastated" when Archie was diagnosed with coronavirus because the "killer virus was taking the healthiest people and my baby was so poorly".

"It absolutely terrified me," she added.

Ms Murray said when she could hold Archie again after his 10 days in isolation "it felt like I was finally able to breathe".

"It felt like I was on cloud nine," she said.

Archie now weighs 3lb (1.36kg) and is doing "better than ever before", his mum said.

His parents are only allowed to visit him at the hospital separately because of the pandemic.

He was named Archie Terry Marcel Edwards - Terry after his late-grandfather and Marcel because it means "little warrior".

Ms Murray said family and friends had been supportive and while she "still had bad days, that was to be expected".

"I feel like I could burst with happiness I am that proud of him," she said.

"Words could never explain how much I am looking forward to bringing him home."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-55840222

:love:

[arista]

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[Zizu]

But AstraZeneca say thats not true



Sky reported earlier that of all the data / research provided by AZ - across all ages - the data for 55 years olds and ABOVE only amounted to around 8% of that data .

German scientists maintain that simply isn’t enough to guarantee that the AZ will protect over 65s anything like adequately..


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[Cherie]

Sky reported earlier that of all the data / research provided by AZ - across all ages - the data for 55 years olds and ABOVE only amounted to around 8% of that data .

German scientists maintain that simply isn’t enough to guarantee that the AZ will protect over 65s anything like adequately..


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I have seen this claim rebutted ..who to believe Germany with their expensive vaccine or ....interesting that the EMA seem to be dismissing this claim as well?

[Nicky91]

Hmmm sounds like the Germans are after getting rid of the oldies then:hehe:

no, why would you even want to vaccinate with something you don't know much about


safety first

[Cherie]

no, why would you even want to vaccinate with something you don't know much about


safety first

It’s a mystery why the EU will go to court to get it then :laugh:

[Nicky91]

It’s a mystery why the EU will go to court to get it then :laugh:

to run tests ourselves on it



number of vaccinated in netherlands: 200k


with many doses still laying in the fridge, not being used :laugh:

[Cherie]

to run tests ourselves on it



number of vaccinated in netherlands: 200k


with many doses still laying in the fridge, not being used :laugh:



Why is that? Poor take up?

[Nicky91]

[/B]

Why is that? Poor take up?

no they are good quality

but not enough also for second doses, what they rather wait for here

[Cherie]

no they are good quality

but not enough also for second doses, what they rather wait for here

Oh right

[Nicky91]

Oh right

UK: 7.3 million vaccinations

NL: 200k vaccinations


again that dutch doctor in london hospital at Jinek last night, whom informed us with vaccination numbers and also fact that one dose provides some form of protection (not immunity but at least a lower chance you ending up on ICU)


our chairman of care workers Ernst Kuipers said we need to speed up the vaccinations now, and also at least giving one dose to a larger group of people, so we can get out of lockdown, curfew for a short while again to work on economy without risk of too many patients on ICU

[Nicky91]

but Kuipers is not the one who decides this, more the RIVM and demissionary government

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Great News
The Student who set up the Manchester Snowball Fight
is to be Fined £10,000.
And his mate.

And one of those Punks
set up an illegal gathering before
and was fined.


I would put their faces Front Page
tomorrow

[AnnieK]

Great News
The Student who set up the Manchester Snowball Fight
is to be Fined £10,000.
And his mate.

And one of those Punks
set up an illegal gathering before
and was fined.


I would put their faces Front Page
tomorrow

Leeds, not Manchester :nono:

[Nicky91]

Janssen vaccine protects up to 66%


that is the result after tests on 45.000 people


netherlands themselves ordered 11.3 million of those

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/johnson-26-johnson-vaccine-protects-against-covid-19-but-not-as-well-as-rivals/ar-BB1dd5bE

[arista]

Leeds, not Manchester :nono:


Was he not a Manchester student?

[arista]

Janssen vaccine protects up to 66%


that is the result after tests on 45.000 people


netherlands themselves ordered 11.3 million of those

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/johnson-26-johnson-vaccine-protects-against-covid-19-but-not-as-well-as-rivals/ar-BB1dd5bE


Single dose Covid vaccine 66% effective
I like its Single Dose - Nicky

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-johnson-johnsons-single-shot-vaccine-85-effective-against-most-severe-symptoms-12202200

[COVID-19: Johnson & Johnson's single-shot vaccine
85% effective against most severe symptoms
Unlike other jabs, which require two doses
several weeks apart, the J&J shot
is administered in a single injection.]

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: our health minister Hugo de Jonge had said we will have to work hard to speed up vaccinations more these next 3 weeks

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/the-dutch-will-catch-up-on-vaccinations-in-a-couple-of-weeks-minister/

[arista]

Netherlands: our health minister Hugo de Jonge had said we will have to work hard to speed up vaccinations more these next 3 weeks

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/the-dutch-will-catch-up-on-vaccinations-in-a-couple-of-weeks-minister/



Nicky every post you do
on this Vaccine please say "Single Dose"


Please

[AnnieK]

Was he not a Manchester student?

Not sure, one of them had been fined previously for a breach at a house in Leeds in November but both breaches happened in Leeds so not Manchester snowball fight

[Nicky91]

sure arista, whenever we begin with the single dose vaccine i shall mention that


Netherlands todays numbers

4.438 new cases (again way less than the last 7 day average)

2.231 total in hospital (increase by 196, 10 more than yesterday)

659 total on ICU (increase by 36, 7 more than yesterday)

58 new deaths (7 less than yesterday)

[Zizu]

Janssen vaccine protects up to 66%


that is the result after tests on 45.000 people


netherlands themselves ordered 11.3 million of those

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/johnson-26-johnson-vaccine-protects-against-covid-19-but-not-as-well-as-rivals/ar-BB1dd5bE



UP to ... 66% ??

That would worry me tbh but I am a worrier ....


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[arista]

UP to ... 66% ??

That would worry me tbh but I am a worrier ....






But 85% protection for those with illness etc
SkyNewsHD

[arista]

29 January 2021


1,245 Have Died from Covid-19 today






29,079 Have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
35,375

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,918

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

[Zizu]

[29 January 2021

Due to an issue with the processing of deaths data,
the update for 29 January 2021 does not include
any updates to deaths figures. These will be added later today.]




29,079 Have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
35,375

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,918

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare



Last Fridays stats for comparison

Today’s new infections are roughly 25% down on last week plus patients in hospitals are 10% lower ..
No change in ventilator patients


Today 22/1/21
1,401 have Died

40,261 Caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
38,562

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,960


95,981 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/






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[Vicky.]

66% is not good like..especially when better ones exist..

[MTVN]

New infections are 29,079 I believe not 20,079

[MTVN]

66% efficacy means it reduces the severity of the disease by that figure which would mean hardly anyone falls seriously ill from Covid, that is pretty good tbh for a simple one shot jab, think the flu vaccine is generally around that level of efficacy

[arista]

New infections are 29,079 I believe not 20,079


Thanks corrected

[arista]

66% is not good like..especially when better ones exist..


But for You Vicky
its 85% protection.


[COVID-19: Johnson & Johnson's single-shot vaccine
85% effective against most severe symptoms
Unlike other jabs, which require two doses
several weeks apart, the J&J shot
is administered in a single injection.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-johnson-johnsons-single-shot-vaccine-85-effective-against-most-severe-symptoms-12202200



I love that it is a Single shot

[Zizu]

Zizo please Edit to 29


It nots 20,079


Its 29,079



Ok thanks !


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[bots]

66% is not good like..especially when better ones exist..

catching covid doesn't matter if the vaccine helps you produce an immune response. It would mean you don't require hospitalisation. No-one who has been immunised with the first jab of the AZ vaccine and then waited the 3 weeks for the antibodies to develop, has had serious symptoms or required hospital treatment

[Nicky91]

catching covid doesn't matter if the vaccine helps you produce an immune response. It would mean you don't require hospitalisation. No-one who has been immunised with the first jab of the AZ vaccine and then waited the 3 weeks for the antibodies to develop, has had serious symptoms or required hospital treatment

correct Bots, those with first jab are lesser likely to require much hospital treatment or ending up on ICU


so basically you guys whenever you got enough vaccinations done, can get out of lockdown, work on economy in a short break before returning to lockdown, at time of second jabs process


with Janssen however, single dose is enough so is more promising, and now is the question, is it also effective against the newer variants, if so then it would be more good news

[Zizu]

Infections on the increase in the NW and midlands :(

Sky News - Milena Veselinov


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[arista]

Infections on the increase in the NW and midlands :(

Sky News - Milena Veselinov






Not good.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es6yPOLXYAIzyHf?format=jpg&name=900x900

[AnnieK]

Infections on the increase in the NW and midlands :(

Sky News - Milena Veselinov


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Greater Manchester rates are still dropping in every borough

[Zizu]

Greater Manchester rates are still dropping in every borough



Excellent !


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[AnnieK]

Excellent !


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/latest-coronavirus-infection-rates-across-19723052.amp

[MTVN]

The EU is introducing controls on vaccines made in the bloc to prevent their export to Northern Ireland, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.

Under the Brexit deal, all products should be exported from the EU to Northern Ireland without checks.

But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.

DUP leader Arlene Foster described the move as "an incredible act of hostility" by the EU.

The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
...

Mrs Foster said the EU had placed a "hard border" between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland.

"By triggering Article 16 in this manner, the European Union has once again shown it is prepared to use Northern Ireland when it suits their interests but in the most despicable manner - over the provision of a vaccine which is designed to save lives," she said.

"At the first opportunity the EU has placed a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland over the supply chain of the Coronavirus vaccine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

[bots]

Funny how the EU were so adamant that nothing could be allowed to interfere with the good friday agreement and here they are, without any notice, creating a hard border to Northern Ireland

[arista]

Yes the EU Vaccine War
has started.


[COVID-19: EU introduces controls on vaccine exports to Northern Ireland
Brussels aims to prevent Northern Ireland being used as a back door for
the movement of COVID vaccines from the EU to the UK.]


[Ireland's premier Micheal Martin
has spoken to European Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen
to express his concerns, according to an Irish government spokesperson.
Louise Haigh MP, Labour's shadow Northern Ireland secretary,
said the EU's move was "deeply destabilising and undermines
the huge efforts being made to make the Protocol work".]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-eu-introduces-controls-on-vaccine-exports-to-northern-ireland-12202656

[Cherie]

The EU is introducing controls on vaccines made in the bloc to prevent their export to Northern Ireland, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.

Under the Brexit deal, all products should be exported from the EU to Northern Ireland without checks.

But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.

DUP leader Arlene Foster described the move as "an incredible act of hostility" by the EU.

The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
...

Mrs Foster said the EU had placed a "hard border" between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland.

"By triggering Article 16 in this manner, the European Union has once again shown it is prepared to use Northern Ireland when it suits their interests but in the most despicable manner - over the provision of a vaccine which is designed to save lives," she said.

"At the first opportunity the EU has placed a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland over the supply chain of the Coronavirus vaccine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

Horrendous decision

[Cherie]

Like is anyone looking at Israel and UAE and wishing they weren’t vaccinating as much :facepalm:

[arista]

France is to close its borders
from Sunday to all non EU nations

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210129/macron-calls-new-defence-council-meeting-ahead-of-lockdown-decision

SkyNewsHD


[France closes non-EU borders and tightens curfew in last chance to avoid third lockdown]

[arista]

1,245 Have Died from Covid-19 today


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Oliver_W]

The EU is introducing controls on vaccines made in the bloc to prevent their export to Northern Ireland, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.

Under the Brexit deal, all products should be exported from the EU to Northern Ireland without checks.

But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.

DUP leader Arlene Foster described the move as "an incredible act of hostility" by the EU.

The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
...

Mrs Foster said the EU had placed a "hard border" between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland.

"By triggering Article 16 in this manner, the European Union has once again shown it is prepared to use Northern Ireland when it suits their interests but in the most despicable manner - over the provision of a vaccine which is designed to save lives," she said.

"At the first opportunity the EU has placed a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland over the supply chain of the Coronavirus vaccine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

Petty-ass bitches.

"You wanted to leave our lunch table? Well, we're gonna piss around with important protocols during a pandemic, that'll teach you!"

The sooner the corrupt, stinking, globalist, capitalist EU dies the better.

[joeysteele]

Apparently and rightly it seems the EU is to backtrack on this.

Should never have set out on this path anyhow.

So good to see it cave in to the outrage rightly expressed.

[smudgie]

Doesn’t show them in a very good light I am afraid.:fist:

[Oliver_W]

1355277806767398924

Kween India

[arista]

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[arista]

[COVID-19: EU withdraws plans to control exports
of coronavirus vaccines into Northern Ireland

Earlier on Friday, Brussels triggered Article 16
of the Northern Ireland Protocol that forms part of the Brexit withdrawal deal.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-eu-withdraws-plans-to-control-exports-of-coronavirus-vaccines-into-northern-ireland-sources-12202835

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7y7-PXAAAYrSK?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7y7-RW4AIciTX?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7y7-MW8AA7vi6?format=jpg&name=small

[hijaxers]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7y7-MW8AA7vi6?format=jpg&name=small

Macron is out to pasture :joker:

[joeysteele]

1355277806767398924

Kween India

Not, really.
They've backtracked and it was threatened but never carried out.

While that's right and the EU was really badly wrong on this.
Which will of course have rightly criticism of the EU forthcoming..
There's still possibly more to the actual contracts that needs some clearing up too.

Daft inflammatory statements however like Willoughby's will never be helpful.
Not in the slightest.

[AnnieK]

Not, really.
They've backtracked and it was threatened but never carried out.

While that's right and the EU was really badly wrong on this.
Which will of course have rightly criticism of the EU forthcoming..
There's still possibly more to the actual contracts that needs some clearing up too.

Daft inflammatory statements however like Willoughby's will never be helpful.
Not in the slightest.

I agree as to inflammatory comments.

However, as to the contracts....as we are now very separate entities, the contracts that the UK and the EU have a separate too and should be treated as such. The contract that AZ has with the EU is not our concern, the contract the UK has is. Our contract with other manufacturers should not be jeopardised because the EU are disputing fulfillment from AZ

[joeysteele]

I agree as to inflammatory comments.

However, as to the contracts....as we are now very separate entities, the contracts that the UK and the EU have a separate too and should be treated as such. The contract that AZ has with the EU is not our concern, the contract the UK has is. Our contract with other manufacturers should not be jeopardised because the EU are disputing fulfillment from AZ

Absolutely.
I don't disagree with any of that.

[Nicky91]

Doesn’t show them in a very good light I am afraid.:fist:

you selfish british did this, so i fully agree no more vaccines from ours to non-eu countries

i mean UK does the same thing literally, with AstraZeneca vaccine, but then again you guys can have it, but surprises me how many people want to take that when you know so little about it

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1355299075223121928

[bots]

you selfish british did this, so i fully agree no more vaccines from ours to non-eu countries

i mean UK does the same thing literally, with AstraZeneca vaccine, but then again you guys can have it, but surprises me how many people want to take that when you know so little about it

stop talking nonsense Nicky

[Nicky91]

stop talking nonsense Nicky

so we should just accept how you british take all of our vaccines


so now we cannot vaccinate our people :bawling: all thx to UK

[joeysteele]

This is however a global pandemic.
Disputes and concerns re vaccines should'nt come into the equation whatsoever.

Every Country needs every Country to be as free of this virus as is possible to be.

Only working together, sharing and ensuring none are left out should be the only aim on this.

No need for this nonsense from the EU, if they're Inna panic on it even temporarily, reach out.
Equally though, other Nations, ours included need to not look for point scoring with the still in place EU haters, jumping in with their usual spotting of hate.

The EU were wrong to threaten to try to take this action, they've been made to realise that and so DID NOT carry it out.
That's good.

The problem remains however all contracts on vaccines should and must be honoured, along with a determination from ALL Nations, including this one, to ensure all who need the vaccines have it.

If a Nation has worries, then they should reach out and all other Nations respond appropriately to that reaching out too.

[joeysteele]

Come on EU, you almost had me agreeing with the Foster woman in N Ireland.

Don't give her any opportunity to spout more of her hate for goodness sake.

[Nicky91]

This is however a global pandemic.
Disputes and concerns re vaccines should'nt come into the equation whatsoever.

Every Country needs every Country to be as free of this virus as is possible to be.

Only working together, sharing and ensuring none are left out should be the only aim on this.

No need for this nonsense from the EU, if they're In a kind of panic on it even temporarily, reach out.
Equally though, other Nations, ours included need to not look for point scoring with the still in place EU haters, jumping in with their usual spotting of hate.

The EU were wrong to threaten to try to take this action, they've been made to realise that and so DID NOT carry it out.
That's good.

The problem remains however all contracts on vaccines should and must be honoured, along with a determination from ALL Nations, including this one, to ensure all who need the vaccines have it.

If a Nation has worries, then they should reach out and all other Nations respond appropriately to that reaching out too.

yet you put the blame on the EU

while it is the UK's fault

[AnnieK]

How is it the UKs fault Nicky? We have a totally separate contract to the EU. Is it the UKs fault you didn't order vaccine until 3 months later than the the UK? Is it our fault you have only just approved it? Is it our fault you cut your pfizer order to order from the French whose vaccine won't be ready for 12 months? Should UK citizens be penalised for EU failings? Have the UK at any time tried to breach the Brexit agreement to stop the EU from receiving lifesaving vaccines. The answer to all those questions is No.....you need to look a little closer to home when playing the blame game

[joeysteele]

yet you put the blame on the EU

while it is the UK's fault

No I didn't.

I said they were wrong to try to invoke the article they intended to.
Even they have seen it was wrong too, so it was a nonsensical thing to threaten.

Clearly wrong, and so they quickly backtracked and drop it themselves Nicky.

I understand fully and always have, the EU has to act in the best interests of its member Nations.
Not for the Nation that spat it's dummy out and picked it's ball up and ran away.

However, they were wrong, and if I think someone or some organisation, or something is wrong I'll say so.

The EU were first too hasty and then wrong to threaten this action.
Even they've realised that and didn't..
I rest my case on that one.

Even so, I'd still prefer to be IN the EU and still think we will again in the future too hopefully.

[AnnieK]

Sadly, the EUs behaviour over this has only played into the Brexiteers hands.

[joeysteele]

Sadly, the EUs behaviour over this has only played into the Brexiteers hands.

It has.

Although the impact could be lessened by the rapid dropping of the threat.
Before it was even implemented.

Indeed yes however, the I told you so's will be out in force, despite them staying silent when Johnson tried to put into law a right to overrule agreed agreements.
Which even got Mrs May up in arms.

Yes however, they'll be likely out in force the extreme brexiteers no doubt.
You are correct.

[Nicky91]

both sides are in the wrong

ok i give in, i put water at the wine as the saying goes

but both are too blame, like Joey said it is a ''Global Pandemic'' and the only good option here is to work together for all to get out of this mess, the only reason i am stressed about this, why i want us to profit from those vaccines too is to save lives, and no i'm not selfish since i am not among risk group, my time for vaccination will come a very longer while from now but we need to save the elderly and vulnerable everywhere


also publish the data on AstraZeneca, basically only reason Germany didn't want that one anymore, or the ''ban on that'' since we don't know much about that, as for effectiveness in the 65+ age group

[Cherie]

Nicky answer me this if a vaccine triggers an immune response in a 65 year old why would it not trigger the same in a 66 year old ...?

The EMA have approved for use in all ages so Germany is on its own on this one..

[Nicky91]

Nicky answer me this if a vaccine triggers an immune response in a 65 year old why would it not trigger the same in a 66 year old ...?

The EMA have approved for use in all ages so Germany is on its own on this one..

i don't know, we all are different, but hope this AZ works good for all those vaccinated in UK and no serious side effects

not like that Germany doesn't have other vaccines to use, they do

they still got more vaccinations done (loads more) than my flop Netherlands


umm Cherie asking you a question in return, how do vaccines react for elderly who use a lot of other medications, or for pregnant women?

[Cherie]

i don't know, we all are different, but hope this AZ works good for all those vaccinated in UK and no serious side effects

not like that Germany doesn't have other vaccines to use, they do

they still got more vaccinations done (loads more) than my flop Netherlands


umm Cherie asking you a question in return, how do vaccines react for elderly who use a lot of other medications, or for pregnant women?

I don’t think they are approved for pregnant women as yet

I guess they will have more data now on mixing it with other medications

[joeysteele]

The thing is, all the hopes now for all Countries are on the vaccines.

Thankfully there are a few.

However, the long term success of any vaccine is not known, plus as you say Nicky, how will the vaccines interact with those on multiple medications too.

The fact, and I hope it is a fact, that all these vaccines are safe then that can be reassuring.
I'd always advise anyone to take it once offered.
Although I know of people who don't trust it's safety.

Which really we don't know conclusively.
Yes, testing and trials have been carried out.
Testings and trials are usually carried out for years to ensure full and long term safety.
So we still don't know a fair bit re the vaccines or the virus, or how effective the vaccines will be with new strains.

I guess, better being safer than sorry, is the order of the day for people.
The vaccine gives hope, that's what needs to be held onto to.
After a devastating year for multi millions worldwide.
Of lives lost and those left bereaved and those left with lifelong health issues from surviving covid too.

Nicky does raise valid points and sadly as with the virus, the new strains of it plus the vaccines, there are still a good few things not known or certain as to all of that.

[Nicky91]

Pfizer, Moderna can quickly be adapted into doses against the new strains which makes them more interesting


UK got a point of claiming AZ vaccine as they were first, and i guess once all of UK has been vaccinated at least a first time, they could start sending out doses to other countries to receive their first dose too, before halting that to return for UK's second dose procedure, and after that the second doses for those countries you've sent them out too



netherlands RIVM are just stupid, just over 200.000 vaccinations done, while you still got for over 700.000 people doses laying in freezers here

so yes i am also angry at my country, and ashamed of our lacklustre approach


2 more brazilian strain cases here, makes me wonder how does that get here, maybe some businessman who came from there (who don't need commercial travel but private jets) :think:

[Ammi]

The thing is, all the hopes now for all Countries are on the vaccines.

Thankfully there are a few.

However, the long term success of any vaccine is not known, plus as you say Nicky, how will the vaccines interact with those on multiple medications too.

The fact, and I hope it is a fact, that all these vaccines are safe then that can be reassuring.
I'd always advise anyone to take it once offered.
Although I know of people who don't trust it's safety.

Which really we don't know conclusively.
Yes, testing and trials have been carried out.
Testings and trials are usually carried out for years to ensure full and long term safety.
So we still don't know a fair bit re the vaccines or the virus, or how effective the vaccines will be with new strains.

I guess, better being safer than sorry, is the order of the day for people.
The vaccine gives hope, that's what needs to be held onto to.
After a devastating year for multi millions worldwide.
Of lives lost and those left bereaved and those left with lifelong health issues from surviving covid too.

Nicky does raise valid points and sadly as with the virus, the new strains of it plus the vaccines, there are still a good few things not known or certain as to all of that.

...just to add to your words, Joey...I think that the original projection for many Third World countries was 2023/2024 to have the vaccine..?...but UNICEF are really incredibly pushing forward with vaccine purchases as well to bring those times forward as much as possible ..:love:...and hopefully the WHO and other organisations will join as well to try to bring First World and Third World closer together with these immunities...

[Nicky91]

France opts for stricter corona measures, not yet a third lockdown

but now

*non-essential travel to countries outside EU is forbidden

*number of people in shopping centres is reduced even further

*and police officers will patrol during the curfew even stricter, and now the curfew goes in at 18:00 PM


first jab vaccination numbers in France: nearly 1.5 million people


they more decided to opt for stricter measures due to british, south african, brazilian new strains

[arista]

Sadly, the EUs behaviour over this has only played into the Brexiteers hands.


And Labour
and all the Northern Ireland Politicians,

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/30/10/38665546-0-image-m-11_1612001878469.jpg

[joeysteele]

It's certainly helped fire up that really awful Foster woman in Northern Ireland.
No doubt on that.

[Ammi]

WHO urges UK to share vaccinations worldwide once vulnerable have received jabs...


The World Health Organisation is urging the UK to pause its vaccination programme once vulnerable groups have received their jabs to help ensure the global rollout is fair.

WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris said she wanted to appeal to people in the UK, telling them “you can wait”, because ensuring equitable global distribution is “clearly morally the right thing to do”.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said he aims to offer all UK adults a first dose by autumn, but the WHO has said countries should be aiming for “two billion doses” to be “fairly distributed” around the world by the end of 2021.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/urges-uk-share-vaccinations-worldwide-092936652.html

[Cherie]

WHO urges UK to share vaccinations worldwide once vulnerable have received jabs...


The World Health Organisation is urging the UK to pause its vaccination programme once vulnerable groups have received their jabs to help ensure the global rollout is fair.

WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris said she wanted to appeal to people in the UK, telling them “you can wait”, because ensuring equitable global distribution is “clearly morally the right thing to do”.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said he aims to offer all UK adults a first dose by autumn, but the WHO has said countries should be aiming for “two billion doses” to be “fairly distributed” around the world by the end of 2021.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/urges-uk-share-vaccinations-worldwide-092936652.html



Oh for goodness sake, why aren’t they asking Israel to pause their under 40s will be vaccinated in the next 3 weeks...or UAE? both countries have vaccinated twice the number UK has?

What about the US ...no?

Edit...Actually they are asking all countries so the title is a bit clickbaity

We’re asking countries, once you’ve got those (high risk and health care worker) groups, please ensure that the supply you’ve got access to is provided for others,” she added.

“While that is morally clearly the right thing to do, it’s also economically the right thing to do.

So expect a pause from UAE and Israel soon then?

[AnnieK]

Oh for goodness sake, why aren’t they asking Israel to pause their under 40s will be vaccinated in the next 3 weeks...or UAE? both countries have vaccinated twice the number UK has?

What about the US ...no?

Edit...Actually they are asking all countries so the title is a bit clickbaity

We’re asking countries, once you’ve got those (high risk and health care worker) groups, please ensure that the supply you’ve got access to is provided for others,” she added.

“While that is morally clearly the right thing to do, it’s also economically the right thing to do.

So expect a pause from UAE and Israel soon then?

I honestly can't see any nation wanting to do that. They have their citizens and economies to protect. What if we pause and then the rest of the world are slow at the rollout? We risk a 3rd and 4th wave.....

Urgh, this is all going to get very messy very quickly

[Ammi]

...yeah, I was about to say...:laugh:...it’s worldwide compliance of all countries the WHO are hoping for to ensure that each country are able to vaccinate their health workers and vulnerable/high risk etc...which seems the logical and most life preserving thing to do, I would say...

[Oliver_W]

WHO urges UK to share vaccinations worldwide once vulnerable have received jabs...


The World Health Organisation is urging the UK to pause its vaccination programme once vulnerable groups have received their jabs to help ensure the global rollout is fair.


So it's "fair" to expect the young and healthy to sit around, twiddling their thumbs with the grass growing under their feet, waiting for the rest of the world to play catch up?

Here's a better idea: The WHO can keep their stupid ideas to themselves :)

[Cherie]

I honestly can't see any nation wanting to do that. They have their citizens and economies to protect. What if we pause and then the rest of the world are slow at the rollout? We risk a 3rd and 4th wave.....

Urgh, this is all going to get very messy very quickly

I think it’s a good idea in principal, and vaccine rich countries should be helping those who cannot afford to pre order but asking to pause not sure about that

[Cherie]

...yeah, I was about to say...:laugh:...it’s worldwide compliance of all countries the WHO are hoping hoping for to ensure that each country are able to vaccinate their health workers and vulnerable/high risk etc...which seems the logical and most life preserving thing to do, I would say...

In principal yes, how it will work in theory is another matter :laugh:

[AnnieK]

As Cherie said in principal its a great idea and I'm sure that most countries will want to help as effectively we are all stuck until a good proportion of the world is vaccinated. However, the first world countries do need to get their economies working again or no country will be able to afford foreign aid any more due to the massive debts every country is accruing every day due to the pandemic. That could cause massive aid issues fir years to come.

[DouglasS]

...yeah, I was about to say...:laugh:...it’s worldwide compliance of all countries the WHO are hoping for to ensure that each country are able to vaccinate their health workers and vulnerable/high risk etc...which seems the logical and most life preserving thing to do, I would say...

I don’t agree.How on earth would it be fair for us and other countries to wait for countries like Australia and New Zealand that are close to zero covid wait for their vulnerable to get vaccinated. They have almost zero covid, that crucial 7 days passing vaccines to covid will probably save zero lives in Australasia (no one is dying..) and probably kill at least 3000 in the U.K. alone.

It shouldn’t be based on just vaccinating the vulnerable across the globe, there are so many more factors. If governments were truly concerned they’d have ordered in bulk. Likewise countries not in lockdown shouldn’t also have extra priorities to get more vaccines because they were late, we are in full lockdown and require the vaccines economically also.


The U.K. has been hit hard and has the greatest death rate in the word, if all countries had the vaccine fairly we’d remain the greatest death rate because we have a large proportion of the more infectious strain and we already have a lot of cases meaning when growing exponentially it’ll remain higher. U.K. needs to look after itself.

[Cherie]

As Cherie said in principal its a great idea and I'm sure that most countries will want to help as effectively we are all stuck until a good proportion of the world is vaccinated. However, the first world countries do need to get their economies working again or no country will be able to afford foreign aid any more due to the massive debts every country is accruing every day due to the pandemic. That could cause massive aid issues fir years to come.

That’s a good point Annie

It’s quite complex as well as some countries might have a low take up...London is behind the rest of the UK in vaccinating over 80s as the Bame communities are not coming forward to be vaccinated in the numbers that white people are

Newham which has been very badly hit by the pandemic has a very low uptake