Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[arista]

Spain says UK visitors are now Permitted
But Spain, is Not on the Green list yet



It's on the Amber long list

[Cherie]

Spain says UK visitors are now Permitted
But Spain, is Not on the Green list yet



It's on the Amber long list

No negative tests required, how crazy is that :shrug:

Tourist will have to be vaccinated

[bots]

europe know how much cash comes from UK tourists, they are desperate for that money, so health concerns go out the window

[Cherie]

europe know how much cash comes from UK tourists, they are desperate for that money, so health concerns go out the window

whats nuts is there are people who travelled back to the UK at Christmas time who are actually resident in Spain but have been unable to get back as their paperwork for residency is being processsed, you literally had to be resident to get in if flying from the UK, so from one extreme to the other

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/05/mike-pompeo-ethos-statement-640x480.png


Former Secretary of State and Central Intelligence Agency Director Michael
Pompeo earlier this week strongly suggested that the coronavirus sparking a
deadly global pandemic escaped from a Chinese lab in Wuhan, where
scientists were conducting research on bat coronaviruses.


He said at a Center for Security Policy event Tuesday:


While I can’t prove where it came from, I can tell you the overwhelming
amount of circumstantial evidence suggests that the Chinese were working
on this virus in their laboratory, that the laboratory was unsafe, that the
laboratory actors, whether they were doctors or technicians, were conducting
a set of activities that made the virus more human-to-human spreadable
and likely more lethal as well, and then somehow it likely got out of that
laboratory.

He added, “I hope I’m wrong, but their reckless [behavior] in terms of
covering up where patient zero came from, or where this virus actually began
in Wuhan suggests that there is something that they do not want the world
to know.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/21/pompeo-overwhelming-amount-circumstantial-evidence-suggests-coronavirus-came-wuhan-lab/

[bots]

if you want a quote to have impact, don't take it from breitbart


That said, the chinese have covered it up, so there is something amiss

[arista]

Friday 21/5/21

9 Have Died
2,829 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
913

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
123


127,710 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Europe know how much cash comes from UK tourists, they are desperate for that money, so health concerns go out the window


Yes could well be true

[user104658]

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/05/mike-pompeo-ethos-statement-640x480.png


Former Secretary of State and Central Intelligence Agency Director Michael
Pompeo earlier this week strongly suggested that the coronavirus sparking a
deadly global pandemic escaped from a Chinese lab in Wuhan, where
scientists were conducting research on bat coronaviruses.


He said at a Center for Security Policy event Tuesday:


While I can’t prove where it came from, I can tell you the overwhelming
amount of circumstantial evidence suggests that the Chinese were working
on this virus in their laboratory, that the laboratory was unsafe, that the
laboratory actors, whether they were doctors or technicians, were conducting
a set of activities that made the virus more human-to-human spreadable
and likely more lethal as well, and then somehow it likely got out of that
laboratory.

He added, “I hope I’m wrong, but their reckless [behavior] in terms of
covering up where patient zero came from, or where this virus actually began
in Wuhan suggests that there is something that they do not want the world
to know.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/21/pompeo-overwhelming-amount-circumstantial-evidence-suggests-coronavirus-came-wuhan-lab/


I was informing TiBB about this in like early April 2020 :idc:

[arista]

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[arista]

From Next Month
All Red Zone Passengers
in Heathrow

Will be on their own Terminal
not mixing with other passengers like now.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1395738527946715139

https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1395738526122225668

Netherlands PM Mark Rutte some good news for the world

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.221 new cases 955 less than yesterday (keeps decreasing and decreasing steadily now)
average over last 7 days is 28% down from week before

1.731 total hospitalisations (decrease of 91 compared to day before) lowest number since December 12th

602 total ICU patients (decrease of 6 compared to day before)

127 care homes now with a recent corona infected, one week ago that were 142

[arista]

Saturday 22/5/21


6 have died
2,694 Have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
908


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
123


127,716 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

From Next Month
All Red Zone Passengers
in Heathrow

Will be on their own Terminal
not mixing with other passengers like now.



Some folk will just play the system... I’ve been reliably informed that there’s been droves going out of Bolton ( and the rest of the uk ) and returning from India , Pakistan etc ... at will for months .

They just make strategic changes here and there , rather than using direct routes .


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[arista]

Sri Lanka
has put a Travel ban into action.

They are in a 3rd wave there.

They are going to have to Strict Lockdown.
22million people
but only 1% has had the Vaccine.
(lack of supply)

The Surge is from the India and UK Kent Variants


Reported on Al JazeeraHD.
And WION HD

[arista]

Argentina has been forced
back into a Lockdown,

Ref:WION HD

[arista]

Some folk will just play the system... I’ve been reliably informed that there’s been droves going out of Bolton ( and the rest of the uk ) and returning from India , Pakistan etc ... at will for months .

They just make strategic changes here and there , rather than using direct routes .




Yes lets hope they get caught
Pay the £10,000 fine./

[arista]

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[arista]

Dom Cummings goes Live on Wednesday 9:30AM SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD
Parliament Committee.

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[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57199475


[Health officials are investigating a new Covid
variant which has caused 49 cases of infection,
mostly in Yorkshire and the Humber region.
Public Health England (PHE) has been
monitoring the VUI-21MAY-01
or AV.1 variant since April.

PHE said there was "currently no evidence
that this variant causes more severe
disease or renders the
vaccines currently deployed any less effective".
The agency said additional testing
and tracing was being carried out.
Dr Kev Smith, from PHE, said scientists had
been watching and sequencing the
variant since the
"strange combination of mutations"
were spotted a few weeks ago.

"So far the people that we have identified
are not particularly infectious,
they're not really getting more sick than other cases
of coronavirus and we're not seeing anything
particularly worrying about it," he added.

Dr Smith said that PHE had classified it
as a "variant under investigation"
and would continue monitoring
its spread through extra testing.
"At the moment, we don't think
it's more infectious than the other
coronaviruses that we are seeing around."]

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.471 new cases 268 more than yesterday

1.714 total hospitalisations (decrease of 17)

610 total ICU patients (increase of 8)

8 new deaths

[arista]

[Covid: Restaurants get creative in bid to plug staff shortage
Restaurants are resorting to offering bonuses
to staff and gift cards to customers in a bid to fill
vacancies as the economy emerges from lockdown.
The hospitality sector is on a recruitment drive,
but staff shortages are threatening to hold back recovery.
Will Beckett, co-founder of the Hawksmoor restaurant group,
told the BBC there just "aren't enough people".
Hawksmoor is offering staff up to £2,000 to recruit
friends, money that would have been spent at jobs agencies.
The firm's problems underline the wider staffing
crunch facing hospitality with indoor dining
in Britain having resumed last week.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57218978


Sign Of The Times

[arista]

Sunday 23 May 21

5 Have died
2,235 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
908

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
123


127,721 Total UK Deaths.



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Dogs might be used at airports to sniff out passengers with cornona virus

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trained-dogs-sniff-coronavirus-94-060731894.html

imagine being hauled out of the queue :laugh:

[bots]

excuse me Mr bots, can you come with us. The dog has detected covid on your nut sack

[arista]

Dogs might be used at airports to sniff out passengers with cornona virus

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trained-dogs-sniff-coronavirus-94-060731894.html

imagine being hauled out of the queue :laugh:



Yes this is good.

[arista]

excuse me Mr bots, can you come with us. The dog has detected covid on your nut sack



They will do an Instant Covid Test on you
Free

[Cherie]

excuse me Mr bots, can you come with us. The dog has detected covid on your nut sack

:laugh:

Think I would be shouting I have drugs on me, its not corona

[arista]

Scotland opens up vaccine to all over-18s


SkyNewsHD



Good Move

[arista]

37% Of UK Cases are the Indian Variant.


ITV1HDnews

[arista]

Monday 24/5/21

3 have Died
2,439 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
908

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
124


127,724 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

2.766 new cases

1.695 total hospitalisations (decrease of 21 compared to yesterdays 1.714) 92 new hospitalisations

598 total ICU patients (decrease of 12 compared to yesterday 610) 19 new ICU patients

11 new deaths

[arista]

London Surge Testing
Hillingdon
Harrow
Brent
Ealing
&
Hounslow


BBC London news
says many young people
have caught it.

[Vanessa]

Going to the cinema tonight.
I've decided to go every Monday.
Something to look forward to until I can go to the seaside.

[Cherie]

Monday 17/5/21

5 have died.
1,979 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
991

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
124


127,684 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 24/5/21

3 have Died
2,439 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
908

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
124


127,724 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Zizu]

Going to the cinema tonight.

I've decided to go every Monday.

Something to look forward to until I can go to the seaside.



What are you watching ?


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[Vanessa]

What are you watching ?


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Those who wish me dead.

[bots]

Those who wish me dead.

that sounds like a cheery one! :laugh:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/24/18/43384471-0-image-m-1_1621877066919.jpg

[bots]

Some patients in England have been asked to wait up to three years for a dental appointment as the NHS struggles with a backlog of work from the pandemic. Healthwatch England says rising numbers of people are struggling to access NHS dentistry and complaints have risen by a fifth at the start of this year. Practices were closed from March to June and have since run at limited capacity. Some practices stopped seeing NHS patients. But the government says work is under way to tackle the backlog, with extra urgent dental clinics and priority access for the vulnerable and those most in need.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/24/18/43384471-0-image-m-1_1621877066919.jpg

No details of ages, underlying problems, vaccine eligibility and if it has been
refused. So numbers mean nothing without supporting evidence

[Vanessa]

that sounds like a cheery one! :laugh:

It was brilliant!

[arista]

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[arista]

[COVID-19: People told to avoid travelling
into or leaving Indian coronavirus variant hotspots
The new guidance, which affects eight
local authority areas, appears to have been
issued without any widespread announcement.]


[The government's coronavirus restrictions
website changed its guidance over the
last few days for people living in eight areas
where the new COVID-19 variant of concern is spreading.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-people-told-to-avoid-travelling-into-or-leaving-indian-coronavirus-variant-hotspots-12316266



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[bots]

it's very odd to change the guidance for some areas and not make an official statement about it. Who could possibly have thought that was a good idea

[arista]

it's very odd to change the guidance for some areas and not make an official statement about it. Who could possibly have thought that was a good idea


Yes an Error
They have a Media room
any MP and Medic Team
Could have Spoken on National TV

[arista]

Leicester has said they are not on the New List
Its a Gov. Error.

[Beso]

In better news...

The vaccination can eradicate long covid symptoms within days of receiving one.

[user104658]

In better news...

The vaccination can eradicate long covid symptoms within days of receiving one.

That's interesting if true, would suggest that "Long covid" is the immune system struggling to completely remove the virus and a dose of vaccine gives it the "boost" that it needs to clear it.

[arista]

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[bots]

its all pretty ridiculous. The government should have come clean and made the local restrictions official. Equally, labour shouldn't be calling for the restrictions to be removed as they are now doing, as thats just going to spread infection further.

At this point its all completely daft

[arista]

its all pretty ridiculous. The government should have come clean and made the local restrictions official. Equally, labour shouldn't be calling for the restrictions to be removed as they are now doing, as thats just going to spread infection further.

At this point its all completely daft


Yes Today they should have done a 5PM Media Broadcast.

[arista]

Tuesday 25/5/21

15 people have Died
2,493 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
978

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
121


127,739 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[user104658]

its all pretty ridiculous. The government should have come clean and made the local restrictions official. Equally, labour shouldn't be calling for the restrictions to be removed as they are now doing, as thats just going to spread infection further.

At this point its all completely daft

Boris said England was "never going back" to lockdown, the kick-off if some areas do just that literally weeks later...

[bots]

Boris said England was "never going back" to lockdown, the kick-off if some areas do just that literally weeks later...

he should never have made the promise, you would have thought he would have learnt by now

[arista]

Boris said England was "never going back" to lockdown, the kick-off if some areas do just that literally weeks later...




Look TS
he also stated everything is under review.


This Variant Indian Covid Spreader is worse
Than the Variant Kent Covid Spreader

[bots]

Look TS
he also stated everything is under review.


This Variant Indian Covid Spreader is worse
Than the Variant Kent Covid Spreader

but its not Arista, the vaccine still works against the indian variant. People getting infected doesnt matter if they are not going to get ill from it

[user104658]

Tuesday 18/5/21

7 have Died
2,412 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
932

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
125


127,691 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 25/5/21

15 people have Died
2,493 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
978

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
121


127,739 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Cases up 3.5%

Deaths up 100%

Number in hospital up 5%


Number on ventilator down 3%

[bots]

the number on ventilator has probably gone down because the people have died. Deaths after the weekend are always a bit random. The number hospitalised is a concern for sure

[user104658]

but its not Arista, the vaccine still works against the indian variant. People getting infected doesnt matter if they are not going to get ill from it

Hospitalisations are up. Deaths are too but that's not really indicative of anything as the numbers are so low, it could just be random reporting variation. Hospitalisations is likely to be statistically significant though.

Unfortunate reality is that the majority of the adult population is not fully vaccinated yet. Less than half of the adult population has had both doses, and one dose is not enough.

Realistically they would have been better waiting until 60%+ of the adult population has had both doses.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i get my second next week!

[bots]

Hospitalisations are up. Deaths are too but that's not really indicative of anything as the numbers are so low, it could just be random reporting variation. Hospitalisations is likely to be statistically significant though.

Unfortunate reality is that the majority of the adult population is not fully vaccinated yet. Less than half of the adult population has had both doses, and one dose is not enough.

Realistically they would have been better waiting until 60%+ of the adult population has had both doses.

These hotspots of infection were also associated with higher than normal rates of people not being vaccinated, so that could account for the hospitalisation increase.

Boris at his last press conferenced promised more info in a couple of weeks ... that time is up this week, so we need to know the details of those being hospitalised. Were they vaccinated or not

[Cherie]

the number on ventilator has probably gone down because the people have died. Deaths after the weekend are always a bit random. The number hospitalised is a concern for sure

depends, most of the people recently hospitalised had not taken up the vaccine despite being eligible

so I would imagine it is more of the same?

[arista]

but its not Arista, the vaccine still works against the Indian variant. People getting infected doesnt matter if they are not going to get ill from it


Yes for all Vaccinated Folks
good news

[arista]

Cases up 3.5%

Deaths up 100%

Number in hospital up 5%


Number on ventilator down 3%


Yes TS
it was expected, I say.

[Zizu]

Tuesday 25/5/21

15 people have Died
2,493 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
978

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
121


127,739 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



You know that dreadful ‘daily death’ figure .. within 28 days of contracting Covid ..

What are the figures of Covid deaths for 29 days and over ??

They could be absolutely horrendous !!

Why are we only counting the ones under 28 days anyways ?




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[arista]

The Government has now
withdrawn their confused guidance.

All back to normal.


Ch4HDnews says the Government are calling it Updating.

[arista]

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[Vanessa]

The numbers still look pretty good.
They were bound to go a bit up after easing of lockdown.

[Beso]

If India ruins june 18th, I might turn racist for a day on here..

[Vanessa]

If India ruins june 18th, I might turn racist for a day on here..

So far things are looking good.
If we can get most people vaccinated we might be able to make it.

[Beso]

So far things are looking good.
If we can get most people vaccinated we might be able to make it.

Shake your wand nessa...shoot that sprinkley genius out amongst them.

[Vanessa]

I just hope we can get everyone vaccinated by July.
That would really help.

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[Beso]

I just hope we can get everyone vaccinated by July.
That would really help.

I really need to sort myself tbh.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands:

vote for quarantaine compulsory for foreign holidaygoers in the country reached a majority

also the testing laws vote reached a majority, so only events with a must for a official negative test



relaxing of measures isn't sooner than June 9th, even though numbers are decreasing more rapidly than expected, we more want it to go closer to zero


advice too for public to stay home for euro2020 matches and not go to the bars


R-number can stay below 1 our Outbreak Management Team or OMT had said, only they said it will stay barely below 1 because the vaccines don't fully protect you and not everyone has been vaccinated yet (if this number goes above 1 again the chance of a new wave is again possible)

[arista]

Wednesday 26/5/21

9 Have Died
3,810 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
954


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
128


127,748 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Wednesday 19/5/21

3 have died
2,696 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
939


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
124


127,694 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Wednesday 26/5/21

9 Have Died
3,810 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
954


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
128


127,748 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Beso]

Thanks cherie, I like when you do that.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: ICU capacity from 1.550 to 1.350

the MP Van Ark had said in parliament meeting today


all numbers continue to decrease so far down there is more room to breathe for doctors again, and normal patients can begin to come again for their treatments such as cancer, other illnesses whom had to wait all this time

[Scarlett.]

That's quite the sharp rise in cases

[Cherie]

Thanks cherie, I like when you do that.

Welcome

[Vanessa]

That's quite the sharp rise in cases

Probably due to the Indian variant.
But deaths and hospitalisations are still low.

[Scarlett.]

Probably due to the Indian variant.
But deaths and hospitalisations are still low.

I think today is the first time we've seen a rise in hospitalisations
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[bots]

there was a rise in hospitalisations yesterday too. I think it's something to be watched, but the reason there are these various hotspots, is that they also had lower uptakes of vaccination, so of course if they catch it and are vulnerable, then the hospital cases are going to rise

[Zizu]

That's quite the sharp rise in cases



Yeah ... so much for the accepted figure of ‘under 100 new infections’ to release all lockdown measures .

I’m wondering if we will EVER get our figures that low ..


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[Vanessa]

We should be ok as long as we keep up with the vaccination programme.

[arista]

[The UK has reported more than 3,000 new
COVID-19 cases - the highest since mid-April.
Some 3,180 cases were recorded in the latest
24-hour period along]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-more-than-3-000-new-cases-and-another-nine-deaths-in-latest-24-hour-period-12317648

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its bloody kids. A pal of my daughter got a fine a week ago for a party she was at

her second fine

now she has caught covid, my daughter had to get a test and is ok. bloody idiot

[hijaxers]

Its bloody kids. A pal of my daughter got a fine a week ago for a party she was at

her second fine

now she has caught covid, my daughter had to get a test and is ok. bloody idiot

Such stupidity , but i'm very glad your daughter is fine LT

[Vanessa]

Oh, that's why death rates are still low.
Young people catch it, but don't usually get seriously sick.
But they can pass it on.

[Zizu]

Its bloody kids. A pal of my daughter got a fine a week ago for a party she was at

her second fine

now she has caught covid, my daughter had to get a test and is ok. bloody idiot



Generally speaking I really don’t think young people are taking this pandemic seriously at all ..

We are near Bolton and our town has two young girls (aged 16 - same high school) who very poorly in hospital as we speak with Covid19 - thought to be the Indian variant.

Young people are still having ( illegal ) parties and have been for quite some time . They just don’t get it .



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[user104658]

there was a rise in hospitalisations yesterday too. I think it's something to be watched, but the reason there are these various hotspots, is that they also had lower uptakes of vaccination, so of course if they catch it and are vulnerable, then the hospital cases are going to rise


It’s simple enough maths even country-wide... less than 1/3 of the country has had both doses of vaccine, and more than half of the vaccines are only 70% effective. We are waaaaaay way below the threshold of vaccine herd immunity but there’s this bizarre idea that we’re good to go.

[arista]

Health Secretary is Live at 5PM

[bots]

It’s simple enough maths even country-wide... less than 1/3 of the country has had both doses of vaccine, and more than half of the vaccines are only 70% effective. We are waaaaaay way below the threshold of vaccine herd immunity but there’s this bizarre idea that we’re good to go.

the uk data shows that pfizer and az both proved 90% protection after the 2 dozes. Most of the very vulnerable have had the 2 dozes now, so, if the vaccine is working, which is still an if for me, then those being hospitalised should be younger or not double jabbed. We need the data ... thats the most important thing ... what age bands are actually in hospital and what is their vaccination status

[Nicky91]

Australia: 4th Lockdown for Melbourne now, also because the Indian variant, at least 26 cases

[Cherie]

the numbers going into hospital are so small currently, its hard to take any hard and fast data for it

if they continue to increase and the numbers shoot up that would be time to start worrying.

[Vanessa]

the numbers going into hospital are so small currently, its hard to take any hard and fast data for it

if they continue to increase and the numbers shoot up that would be time to start worrying.

Yes, at the moment things are still good.

[Zizu]

the uk data shows that pfizer and az both proved 90% protection after the 2 dozes. Most of the very vulnerable have had the 2 dozes now, so, if the vaccine is working, which is still an if for me, then those being hospitalised should be younger or not double jabbed. We need the data ... thats the most important thing ... what age bands are actually in hospital and what is their vaccination status



Exactly !


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[Zizu]

the numbers going into hospital are OML Wso small currently, its hard to take any hard and fast data for it



if they continue to increase and the numbers shoot up that would be time to start worrying.



Well infections in the Bolton area ( BL) are increasing by well over 100% every 7 days sooooo


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[thesheriff443]

Two students at my partners college tested positive yesterday

[Cherie]

Well infections in the Bolton area ( BL) are increasing by well over 100% every 7 days sooooo


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I was referring to hospital numbers increasing. if the vaccine keeps it under control an increase in infections should not be an issue, if people self isolate of course

we need to know if these people in hospital were vaccinated or not is the key tbh

[AnnieK]

Well infections in the Bolton area ( BL) are increasing by well over 100% every 7 days sooooo


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Most of the hospital admissions in the Bolton spike have been people who have not taken up the vaccine. In my Manchester council district (MCC), there have been 0 deaths on the last 7 days and 17 people admitted to hospital in last 7 days which compared to january is miniscule and its a far larger council area.

The people of Bolton need to get jabbed....and quick

[user104658]

the uk data shows that pfizer and az both proved 90% protection after the 2 dozes. Most of the very vulnerable have had the 2 dozes now, so, if the vaccine is working, which is still an if for me, then those being hospitalised should be younger or not double jabbed. We need the data ... thats the most important thing ... what age bands are actually in hospital and what is their vaccination status

Wasn't Hancock himself on the telleh recently (as in last week) quoting 30% for both Pfizer and AZ after one dose, rising to 70% AZ and 93% Pfizer after two doses, in a push to emphasise the importance of getting both doses?

[bots]

Wasn't Hancock himself on the telleh recently (as in last week) quoting 30% for both Pfizer and AZ after one dose, rising to 70% AZ and 93% Pfizer after two doses, in a push to emphasise the importance of getting both doses?

im just going from a journal i read last week. They said the extended interval between the jabs seemed to be what increased the effectiveness to 90% for both. It was all over the news sites


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PHE epidemiologist Meaghan Kall said there was “evidence to show that Pfizer (initially thought to have the edge on effectiveness) is actually running head-to-head with Oxford/AZ”.

The Pfizer jab provides a similar level of protection against illness as Oxford/AstraZeneca, and cuts the chance of death by 95-99 per cent.

There is still not enough evidence available from surveillance studies – which monitor the experience of all 30 million vaccinated people in England – to determine the effect of Oxford/AstraZeneca on mortality rates, or to discover by how much transmission is reduced once most people have had two doses of either vaccine.

Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said: “This new data highlights the incredible impact that both doses of the vaccine can have, with a second dose of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine providing up to 90 per cent protection.

https://inews.co.uk/news/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-is-more-effective-than-thought-with-second-dose-preventing-89-of-illness-1012287

[joeysteele]

Arrogant, hapless Hancock has had a whole night to prepare his political deceit for today in parliament then.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Amsterdam's UMC hospital has closed 3 area's for corona patients, since they are no longer necessary now numbers have decreased so much

in that hospital are now 24 covid patients on ICU, during the peak of the third wave there were 38 covid patients on ICU beds, average age group is also going down, according to ICU chief Susanne Heijsenberg, this is proof that vaccinating truly helps in the fight against corona


pressure on hospital staff remains high because now normal patients must receive treatments, and there is higher chance of more accidents now we move into ''new normal'' society

[Cherie]

Netherlands: Amsterdam's UMC hospital has closed 3 area's for corona patients, since they are no longer necessary now numbers have decreased so much

in that hospital are now 24 covid patients on ICU, during the peak of the third wave there were 38 covid patients on ICU beds, average age group is also going down, according to ICU chief Susanne Heijsenberg, this is proof that vaccinating truly helps in the fight against corona


pressure on hospital staff remains high because now normal patients must receive treatments, and there is higher chance of more accidents now we move into ''new normal'' society

:clap1:

get your vaccine Nicky :love:

[Nicky91]

:clap1:

get your vaccine Nicky :love:

umm No, i rather want all the elderly and most vulnerable to have theirs first

[arista]

Hancock in Live in Parliament

Not agreeing with the Shadow Labour MP

[Cherie]

umm No, i rather want all the elderly and most vulnerable to have theirs first

of course when you are eligible, no one likes a queue jumper :smug:

[Cherie]

Cummings in Live in Parliament

Not agreeing with the Shadow Labour MP

do you mean Hancock?

[arista]

Hancock is putting all questions into his
Vaccine formula.

[joeysteele]

This is a waste of time.

Just rubbish and dismiss the event's of yesterday.
Treat it as a support the Health secretary day.
With most asking or speaking in support of him.

Honestly unbelievable.

[joeysteele]

Just more deceit from this terrible Health secretary.

[arista]

This is a waste of time.

Just rubbish and dismiss the event's of yesterday.
Treat it as a support the Health secretary day.
With most asking or speaking in support of him.

Honestly unbelievable.



Yes Joey
not enough members in the House
For Every MP against him
2 others MP's are backing him.

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
not enough members in the House
For Every MP against him
2 others MP's are backing him.

More like a get together in my view.

It's like the issues are a just a huge joke to him.
Unbelievable.

[arista]

More like a get together in my view.

It's like the issues are a just a huge joke to him.
Unbelievable.



Yes he is Laser Focused


SNP Questions wasted

[arista]

do you mean Hancock?




Yes sorry, my error
Corrected

[joeysteele]

Another of the biggest waste of time of Parliamentary time in my view.
Just really bad.

[arista]

Another of the biggest waste of time of Parliamentary time in my view.
Just really bad.



Yes Concluded,
Labour invited him and he comes out even better?



He is back Live at 5PM
with some better people on Covid Advice
Downing Street.

[Zizu]

I was referring to hospital numbers increasing. if the vaccine keeps it under control an increase in infections should not be an issue, if people self isolate of course

we need to know if these people in hospital were vaccinated or not is the key tbh



Oh yes ... but higher infections equate to higher hospital admissions and sadly deaths ..

Maybe not on the same level as previously when nobody was vaccinated but they will have a negative effect


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[bots]

Oh yes ... but higher infections equate to higher hospital admissions and sadly deaths ..

Maybe not on the same level as previously when nobody was vaccinated but they will have a negative effect


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this is the bit you are not getting, infections don't equate to hospitalisation if they have been vaccinated. People can still get covid after vaccination. It should mean that they don't need hospitalisation

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: events with many audiences are possible, that has been proven out of the FieldLab test events the last few months

the government has 4 risk levels

''worrying'' = events are possible with 100% audience capacity, among those outdoor festivals

''very severe'' = no festivals, but still certain events possible with seating audience only and maximum of 50% capacity


at the moment we are at the ''very severe'' stage but due to decreasing numbers by the day, more can be made possible very soon they think

[arista]

Covid-19
is staying put in this world forever


Ref: Singaporean Dr.
Foreign minister CNN HD Business.


Bloody China and their Wet Markets

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.426 new cases 661 more than yesterday but on wednesday and thursday the tests are always higher than other days

1.512 total hospitalisations (106 less than yesterday 1.618) 69 new hospitalisations the day before that were 93 new hospitalisations

541 total ICU patients (18 less than yesterday 559) 14 new ICU patients the day before that were 15 new ICU patients

16 new deaths (6 more than yesterday)

[arista]

Thursday 27/5/21

10 Died
3,542 Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
916

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
125


127,758 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Thursday 20/5/21

7 have Died.
2,874 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
894

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
122


127,701 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 27/5/21

10 Died
3,542 Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
916

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
125


127,758 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[arista]

We go Live at 5PM


Media Room 9 Downing St.
Health Secretary with Medical helpers

[bots]

we know what all the questions will be on

[arista]

Live with One Doctor
Jenny Harries


Not BBC1


BBCnewsHD with the Sign man
SkyNewsHD
LBC
Radio5
Times Radio DAB

[arista]

we know what all the questions will be on


Alot to skip then
this about Covid.

[Zizu]

this is the bit you are not getting, infections don't equate to hospitalisation if they have been vaccinated. People can still get covid after vaccination. It should mean that they don't need hospitalisation



Yes of course ... I’ve had both jabs and it’s remarkably reassuring to know that statistically I shouldn’t get seriously ill or die ... but more infections will inevitably result in more hospitalisations and deaths ..

How can it not ?

Unless you’re suggesting that despite this rapid increase in the number of infections the successful vaccine program will still mean the number of hospitalisations and deaths will continue to drop week on week ?


Today’s slide from the briefing even shows slight increases hospitalisations in the last few days
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Infections on the up ^^

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[Cherie]

90% in hospital have not had both vaccines

Surge testing is in part the reason for the uptick in infections, so many asymptomatic

Hospital admissions remain very low despite uptick in infection

[Zizu]

Oh and breaking news ... 5 out of the 49 people poorly in HOSPITAL have had TWO doses of the Covid19 vaccine ..

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[Cherie]

Oh and breaking news ... 5 out of the 49 people poorly in HOSPITAL have had TWO doses of the Covid19 vaccine ..

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Only 5 ...thats good news

[arista]

BBC Laura gets in with
Deaths at Care Homes.

The Cock
is going on about Capacity.................
Ignoring her direct question.



Letting DR. Jenny
talk the rest.

[Zizu]

90% in hospital have not had both vaccines



Surge testing is in part the reason for the uptick in infections, so many asymptomatic



Hospital admissions remain very low despite uptick in infection



Sadly the assumption of many is that it’s 100% of people in hospitals who’ve not had two vaccine jabs.


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[Zizu]

Only 5 ...thats good news



5 out of only 49 though ...

5 out of 490 or 4900 would be better


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[arista]

ITV
going on about the same BBC question.

The Cock
"it took time"

[bots]

45 hospital cases is not a big enough data sample to draw any conclusions. But it needs to be looked at further for sure

[arista]

Beth at Sky
another Care Home Attack

The Cock
"now look" there will be a time to go over all this,

SAYING THAT twice

[DouglasS]

These people are asking the same question over and over, the public want to know other things…

[joeysteele]

BBC Laura gets in with
Deaths at Care Homes.

The Cock
is going on about Capacity.................
Ignoring her direct question.



Letting DR. Jenny
talk the rest.

Pure deceit.

He knows they were sent out and his excuse on testing not in place, then they shouldn't have gone back until they were tested.

He just lies, lies, lies.
Disgraceful.

Throw it in the long grass again..
He doesn't give a damn.

[joeysteele]

These people are asking the same question over and over, the public want to know other things…

You mean Cons want to hear other things.. because this is uncomfortable for Cons to accept happened.

[arista]

These people are asking the same question over and over, the public want to know other things…


Yes Sky BETH

Staying there

[DouglasS]

You mean Cons want to hear other things.. because this is uncomfortable for Cons to accept happened.

No, I’m talking about people who turned this on to hear updates about covid-19 and the pandemic and the way forward, but these rude reporters are wasting their time to try and prove a petty point. Asking the same question five times is just pure daft, maybe they need to go back to school… copying and pasting results in a fail

[Vanessa]

Can they start asking some different questions? :fist:

[arista]

Pippa Daily Mirror

Her Mum died of covid

Care Homers Again

[Zizu]

Beth at Sky
another Care Home Attack

The Cock
"now look" there will be a time to go over all this,

SAYING THAT twice



I actually expected her to be slightly more reserved in these matters given her suspension for breaking Covid rules


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[arista]

Can they start asking some different questions? :fist:


Not yet?


The Cock
lost some of his older family

telling off Pippa

[arista]

I actually expected her to be slightly more reserved in these matters given her suspension for breaking Covid rules




They have all day to get ready


Dr .Jenny
has Lost Family to Covid.

[arista]

Pure deceit.

He knows they were sent out and his excuse on testing not in place, then they shouldn't have gone back until they were tested.

He just lies, lies, lies.
Disgraceful.

Throw it in the long grass again..
He doesn't give a damn.



Yes Joey he can Get away with it.

Good with have Dr. Jenny as well.

[arista]

Pippa is Hanging on


Now

The Cock "You have got build the Capacity

[arista]

Times


Asks if he spoke about Cummings "Lie" comments
to Johnson.


The Cock "All the Time we talk"



Ignoring "Lie Comment"

[Cherie]

5 out of only 49 though ...

5 out of 490 or 4900 would be better


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You want 4900 people in hospital over 49....:umm2:

You could look at it as 5 in 25 million people (both jabs)

[arista]

No, I’m talking about people who turned this on to hear updates about covid-19 and the pandemic and the way forward, but these rude reporters are wasting their time to try and prove a petty point. Asking the same question five times is just pure daft, maybe they need to go back to school… copying and pasting results in a fail




Yes Only The Times changed it


He was Ignored , though

[arista]

Jen at Manchester News-- Final Question


CARE HOMES in her Zone

[arista]

The Cock


We did not have Testing Capacity.

[Beso]

No, I’m talking about people who turned this on to hear updates about covid-19 and the pandemic and the way forward, but these rude reporters are wasting their time to try and prove a petty point. Asking the same question five times is just pure daft, maybe they need to go back to school… copying and pasting results in a fail

This is my viewpoint as well.

I've had to turn over to Bradley

[arista]

This is my viewpoint as well.

I've had to turn over to Bradley


Valid

[arista]

The Cock

"To Jen, People in Bolton
have stepped up"

he has now buggered off

[AnnieK]

5 out of only 49 though ...

5 out of 490 or 4900 would be better


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Have they any underlying issues, what age are they? Sadly some people who have been vaccinated will still get ill and have to be hospitalised.....same as those who have flu jab etc etc

[Cherie]

No, I’m talking about people who turned this on to hear updates about covid-19 and the pandemic and the way forward, but these rude reporters are wasting their time to try and prove a petty point. Asking the same question five times is just pure daft, maybe they need to go back to school… copying and pasting results in a fail

Every briefing is the same,...same question asked over and over, super annoying

[arista]

SkyNewsHD update

6,959 Covid-19 Indian Variant
have been Identified

[Zizu]

You could look at it as 5 in 25 million people (both jabs)



Realistically it is actually 5 out of 49 though ...


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[Beso]

Just listening to LBC radio .. many are supporting the idea of “televised learning’ as opposed to online learning .. they do it on other countries apparently.

Just needs the government to commandeer some tv channels..maybe all the BBC ones ??

A few for primary schools , one each for years 7 through to 11 , another for colleges .... seems outlandish but it it’s done elsewhere who knows ??

Supposedly a high % of pupils struggled with getting online but everyone has a telly ..


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They did this last year, hardly anyone took any notice.

[arista]

Every briefing is the same,...same question asked over and over, super annoying



Especially
The Cock

[Zizu]

SkyNewsHD update

6,959 Covid-19 Indian Variant
have been Identified



Virtually 75% of all new infections are the Indian variant apparently


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[Zizu]

Have they any underlying issues, what age are they? Sadly some people who have been vaccinated will still get ill and have to be hospitalised.....same as those who have flu jab etc etc



Yeah ... we’ve just been discussing that very thing ..


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[bots]

Realistically it is actually 5 out of 49 though ...


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no its not. If 10000 people would have been in hospital pre vaccination then 5 out of 10k is a really good number, you cant take vaccinated vs unvaccinated in hospital and gauge the effectiveness that been quoted for pfizer and AZ cause its not using the correct data source

[Nicky91]

i feel more relieved myself for my own nation, how it seems we are over that third wave into more calmer times

yes i worry too for Indian variant, what happens now in UK, can happen here too, but tbh now i agree with majority of public, that we should also open up more and try recovering our economy in this more stable moment


so my advice for UK people, don't travel abroad, to prevent indian variant going to multiple countries throughout europe, throughout the world

go on holiday in own country

[bots]

however, i think given the current trend in infections etc it would be reckless to open everything up again in july. We should maintain social distancing etc until the infection rate is right down

[Zizu]

no its not. If 10000 people would have been in hospital pre vaccination then 5 out of 10k is a really good number, you cant take vaccinated vs unvaccinated in hospital and gauge the effectiveness that been quoted for pfizer and AZ cause its not using the correct data source



That said

The facts are that of the 49 people in Bolton hospitals ... 5 out of those 49 have had two vaccine jabs .



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[Cherie]

That said

The facts are that of the 49 people in Bolton hospitals ... 5 out of those 49 have had two vaccine jabs .



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and 22 million people who have had both jabs (most of whom are over 60) are not in hospital, :shrug:

honestly I think you just want to be frightened.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the journos cant ask follow up clarifying questions as they are not there and get muted

they are not there by choice by the government - tactics

the issue is below:

"We could only introduce testing for people going from hospital to care homes once testing capacity was built."

There was no requirement to test patients being discharged from hospital into a care home until 15 April 2020, government documents show.

Guidance to care homes dated 2 April 2020 said people who were COVID-19 positive could be discharged to care homes but should isolate once there.

25,000 would be discharged in total before routine testing was finally introduced in mid-April.

So he was asked if he told the PM that they were being tested and after 3 questions he said "it was not his recollection"


aye right

[Zizu]

and 22 million people who have had both jabs (most of whom are over 60) are not in hospital, :shrug:



honestly I think you just want to be frightened.


I’m a naturally cautious , pessimistic person whereas you are clearly more positive about things .

There’s no right or wrong way to be and we don’t get to choose , believe me I don’t want to be anxious .

We just come from different angles that’s all ... no need to fall out or get personal.


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[bots]

I’m a naturally cautious , pessimistic person whereas you are clearly more positive about things .

There’s no right or wrong way to be and we don’t get to choose , believe me I don’t want to be anxious .

We just come from different angles that’s all ... no need to fall out or get personal.


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it's never personal zizu, we need a mix of views

[Crimson Dynamo]

That said

The facts are that of the 49 people in Bolton hospitals ... 5 out of those 49 have had two vaccine jabs .



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what age are they?

[Zizu]

what age are they?



They’ve not said as yet officially from what I can see .

Two are thought to be Yr 11 school girls ( same school ) though according to local gossip


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[bots]

the moment last year that it looked like we were going to have a pandemic, i said on here, Hancock is the last person who should be in charge of it. I havent changed my view.

Hancock has lied, he has reframed time lines after the event, he has re-interpreted statements made after the event. I think he is disingenuous. So. i don't give him any quarter. He is responsible for a lot of failures and he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it when the enquiry finally happens

[Crimson Dynamo]

the moment last year that it looked like we were going to have a pandemic, i said on here, Hancock is the last person who should be in charge of it. I havent changed my view.

Hancock has lied, he has reframed time lines after the event, he has re-interpreted statements made after the event. I think he is disingenuous. So. i don't give him any quarter. He is responsible for a lot of failures and he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it when the enquiry finally happens

This week he told the House that they were vaccinating people in Bolton "in their 10s of thousands per day"

LBC looked at figures - average per day in last week 3500 - most done in a day in last 2 weeks 5000


:skull:

[Cherie]

I’m a naturally cautious , pessimistic person whereas you are clearly more positive about things .

There’s no right or wrong way to be and we don’t get to choose , believe me I don’t want to be anxious .

We just come from different angles that’s all ... no need to fall out or get personal.


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:hug:

its just exasperating at times :laugh:

[Zizu]

:hug:



its just exasperating at times :laugh:



True enough :)


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[joeysteele]

I’m a naturally cautious , pessimistic person whereas you are clearly more positive about things .

There’s no right or wrong way to be and we don’t get to choose , believe me I don’t want to be anxious .

We just come from different angles that’s all ... no need to fall out or get personal.


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There's a lot of people still fairly frightened Zizu.
We can't all be couldn't care less individuals.

My own Mum is very scared still after having 2 vaccinations too.

It's a pity during this pandemic over the year that more hadn't been more anxious and therefore more cautious.
I'd term being cautious a good quality myself.

[arista]

the moment last year that it looked like we were going to have a pandemic, i said on here, Hancock is the last person who should be in charge of it. I havent changed my view.

Hancock has lied, he has reframed time lines after the event, he has re-interpreted statements made after the event. I think he is disingenuous. So. i don't give him any quarter. He is responsible for a lot of failures and he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it when the enquiry finally happens



Yes the Cock is Arrogant,
he is safe until after the Election
when they do the Enquiry - that's what many press claim.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

interesting discussion at one of Germany's talk shows Maybrit Illner last night

more about they are now going to begin vaccinating children above age of 12, in a attempt to bring infection risks down in schools


also one science journalist (via skype) there said we all have to share our vaccines with the entire world (especially in some of countries with the variants: Brazil, South Africa, India) because we shouldn't take the risk of the vaccines helping against the variants, or against variants to possible still come (because there might also come one whom the vaccines have no or little effect against)

[Ammi]

I’m a naturally cautious , pessimistic person whereas you are clearly more positive about things .

There’s no right or wrong way to be and we don’t get to choose , believe me I don’t want to be anxious .

We just come from different angles that’s all ... no need to fall out or get personal.


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…on a positive..(…kind of…)…COVID being something for the last year to channel those anxiety energies into… may mean that other anxiety related things have faded more and not built into the ‘monsters’ they may previously have…?…so that’s something to build on, that you’ve managed very well without them and that going forward, you may be able to keep them more faded into the background…

[user104658]

I for one am shocked that the end of lockdown isn't as smooth-sailing as they promised. Shocked.

[Vanessa]

Im off to Brighton on Monday and next week i have a week off.
Just in time for my birthday! :dance:
I'm going to see an old friend and enjoy the seaside.
I'll be bringing my masks of course.

[Vanessa]

I for one am shocked that the end of lockdown isn't as smooth-sailing as they promised. Shocked.

We should be able to open everything after the vaccination programme is finished.
That could be end of July, I think.

[Ammi]

…I can’t imagine it ever being ‘smooth’ because surely for that to even be any real possibility, the whole world would have to be at the same stage in their vaccination progressing…and it’s not just a little bit apart with that, some are going to be years apart…and the virus will inevitably gather and progress more quickly than human ability and possibility so adjustments will always have to be implemented…?….our projections are always given as if we were and island…because we are an island…:laugh:…but we’re not an island in isolation…the most accurate that projections have been so far as I can see are with islands that have become more isolated…

[user104658]

We should be able to open everything after the vaccination programme is finished.
That could be end of July, I think.

It would be if it was going to be people lining up all the way - at the moment there are still enough people unvaccinated but keen to be vaccinated that the pace hasn't slowed. At some point once all of the "eager" 1st and 2nd doses are done... we're going to hit a huge roadblock of people who need a bit more coaxing. And then a brick wall of people who are simply going to refuse.

[Vanessa]

…I can’t imagine it ever being ‘smooth’ because surely for that to even be any real possibility, the whole world would have to be at the same stage in their vaccination progressing…and it’s not just a little bit apart with that, some are going to be years apart…and the virus will inevitably gather and progress more quickly than human ability and possibility so adjustments will always have to be implemented…?….our projections are always given as if we were and island…because we are an island…:laugh:…but we’re not an island in isolation…the most accurate that projections have been so far as I can see are with islands that have become more isolated…
The way forward is with the vaccine.
That will help us to have some kind of a normal life.
I feel so much safer now that I'm vaccinated.

[Vanessa]

It would be if it was going to be people lining up all the way - at the moment there are still enough people unvaccinated but keen to be vaccinated that the pace hasn't slowed. At some point once all of the "eager" 1st and 2nd doses are done... we're going to hit a huge roadblock of people who need a bit more coaxing. And then a brick wall of people who are simply going to refuse.

It will take time, but we'll get there.

[Nicky91]

The way forward is with the vaccine.
That will help us to have some kind of a normal life.
I feel so much safer now that I'm vaccinated.

lockdown life is my normal life

so i don't need the vaccine

[Nicky91]

but definitely those who got a very active social life, should all be vaccinated yes

[bots]

the indian variant is killing people in their 30's regularly over there at the moment which changes the whole profile. It's no longer the vulnerable and elderly the only ones at risk

[user104658]

the indian variant is killing people in their 30's regularly over there at the moment which changes the whole profile. It's no longer the vulnerable and elderly the only ones at risk

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.

Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.

[joeysteele]

…I can’t imagine it ever being ‘smooth’ because surely for that to even be any real possibility, the whole world would have to be at the same stage in their vaccination progressing…and it’s not just a little bit apart with that, some are going to be years apart…and the virus will inevitably gather and progress more quickly than human ability and possibility so adjustments will always have to be implemented…?….our projections are always given as if we were and island…because we are an island…:laugh:…but we’re not an island in isolation…the most accurate that projections have been so far as I can see are with islands that have become more isolated…

Exactly.

It's incredible it's thought oh the UK is all vaccinated, all's well, do what we like.

As you say until the World is fully vaccinated, there will always be increased danger of variants in the UK arriving too.
Unless we pull up the drawbridge and close all airports and ban all travel in and out of the UK.

Which is why we should be as eager to see the vaccination roll out intensified far more worldwide, not just in the UK.

[user104658]

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.

Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.
A quick google confirms this. Deaths are currently surging amongst a younger demographic in India because, for whatever reason, the vast majority of cases for their current wave are within that demographic, so it's really just an illusion of scale. And also a complete lack of hospital beds and (crucially) ventilators. If you get severe symptoms over there you're pretty much ****ed, basically, hospitals are at capacity and there's very little help available. They're basically having to take a stab at who is most likely to survive, and take someone else off a ventilator to give it to that person instead. A really grim situation to be in... they had similar things happening during the first wave in Italy. Thankfully, the UK hasn't had to go down that route.

[bots]

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.

Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.

what you say is true, but it should raise a big red flag on what the potential impact could be. I remember us saying before very early in the pandemic that our general health care and living conditions would make a difference, but in highly populated cities we got it just as bad. At the very least, we should be reconsidering relaxing social distancing .... it's bad enough with the old and vulnerable, but if youngsters start dropping like flies it's going to be another level of devastating

[Zizu]

…on a positive..(…kind of…)…COVID being something for the last year to channel those anxiety energies into… may mean that other anxiety related things have faded more and not built into the ‘monsters’ they may previously have…?…so that’s something to build on, that you’ve managed very well without them and that going forward, you may be able to keep them more faded into the background…



It’s an interesting thought ..

To be honest the last 15 months or so have just meant that I’ve added more little ‘coping’ routines to my day and all my senses are at a heightened level .. that’s not necessarily a negative thing but it is more exhausting.

So I don’t ever ‘relax’ or ‘chill’ out’ as my mind never really switches off plus I only sleep around 5 hours theses days which is about an hour less than I used to ..

Strange times ....


Kinda reminds me of something a pop star named YungBlud said recently ... he has serious anxiety issues .

He was asked by a fan ( online interview) if he used drugs to keep his energy levels so high and he said “ use drugs ..I have ADHD I don’t need drugs !




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[Zizu]

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.



Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.



Interesting... I thought the difference in life expectancy between the two countries would be far more than just 12 years for some reason


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[user104658]

what you say is true, but it should raise a big red flag on what the potential impact could be. I remember us saying before very early in the pandemic that our general health care and living conditions would make a difference, but in highly populated cities we got it just as bad. At the very least, we should be reconsidering relaxing social distancing .... it's bad enough with the old and vulnerable, but if youngsters start dropping like flies it's going to be another level of devastating

True, I think Italy should have been a stark warning for Europe... they were caught off guard (being the first place it really took off in Europe) and it was, by all accounts, an absolute nightmare at the peak. I do think that effect is obviously going to be compounded somewhere like India; a population of nearly 1.5 billion with a huge proportion not having access to what we would consider to be acceptable healthcare. They still have numbers higher than the entire population of the UK living in objective poverty... i.e. not even at basic sustenance levels... and many more than that way below the poverty line of developed countries.

[user104658]

Interesting... I thought the difference in life expectancy between the two countries would be far more than just 12 years for some reason


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There aren't many countries where it's below 65 and practically all of those are in Africa, for various reasons I suppose.

I think essentially once you rule out other causes... humans are just generally fairly robust until 60-65 and then we kinda start falling apart if the maintenance isn't there (good healthcare, healthy lifestyle).

That's also how you get to live to nearly 100 if you happen to be, for example, a Royal... with lifelong fully catered meals and impeccable healthcare.

[Vanessa]

Thankfully in Italy things are getting better.
Thanks to the vaccination programme.
As long as they keep it up they will be ok.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2eRICRWEAIj0HB?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.914 new cases (average is still steadily decreasing) average of last 7 days is 3.131 positive tests 28% less than week before

1.440 total hospitalisations (93 new hospitalisations increase of 24 compared to yesterday 69)

521 total ICU patients (27 new ICU patients increase of 13 compared to yesterday 14)

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/05/press-conference-tonight-museums-set-to-reopen-bars-to-open-longer/

Netherlands: there will be a extra press conference tonight, to announce more relaxing of several measures

museums set to reopen, and the bars/pubs to remain open for few extra hours

new measures are due to come in effect by June 5th

[arista]

[Coronavirus kills 32 members of
parliament in DR Congo
Thirty-two members of parliament in
the Democratic Republic of Congo,
or about 5% of the total, have died
from COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic,
the vice president of the National Assembly said.
Even as Congo, like many other African countries,
has officially reported relatively few cases
and deaths, the virus has rippled through the
corridors of power, killing prominent politicians
and members of the president's entourage.]


From SkyNews feed.

[Ammi]

It’s an interesting thought ..

To be honest the last 15 months or so have just meant that I’ve added more little ‘coping’ routines to my day and all my senses are at a heightened level .. that’s not necessarily a negative thing but it is more exhausting.

So I don’t ever ‘relax’ or ‘chill’ out’ as my mind never really switches off plus I only sleep around 5 hours theses days which is about an hour less than I used to ..

Strange times ....


Kinda reminds me of something a pop star named YungBlud said recently ... he has serious anxiety issues .

He was asked by a fan ( online interview) if he used drugs to keep his energy levels so high and he said “ use drugs ..I have ADHD I don’t need drugs !




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…yeah, I can understand how it’s exhausting it’s been and is for you, Zizu…but for the year we’ve had and probably the most challenging times we’ve experienced…and so many personal challenges for you working through it all as well…?…I mean, just so many things that you’ve faced…you’ve also found those coping tools and you’ve got through so much…you’ve coped and you’ve overcome and hold onto that also…obviously your hour less sleep isn’t ideal because it really would be good for you to have that to feel a little less exhausted and I hope that you get that sleep back into your pattern in time…:hug:..

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: government wants the country almost fully reopened by June 30th

with only few basic measures such as face mask compulsory, social distancing

[arista]

Friday 28/5/21

10 Died today.
4,182 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
889


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
120


127,768 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Friday 21/5/21

9 Have Died
2,829 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
913

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
123


127,710 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/







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[Zizu]

New infections

2,800 up to 4,200 in seven days !!

That’s a 50% increase over 7 days !!



At this rate next Friday it could be up to 6,300 per day or worse ( given it’s gaining momentum ) and 10,000 in a fortnights time !


That’s presuming it doesn’t increase at the same rate as Bolton where infections are increasing by 101% week on week !


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[bots]

New infections

2,800 up to 4,200 in seven days !!

That’s a 50% increase over 7 days !!



At this rate next Friday it could be up to 6,300 per day or worse ( given it’s gaining momentum ) and 10,000 in a fortnights time !


That’s presuming it doesn’t increase at the same rate as Bolton where infections are increasing by 101% week on week !


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So far the infection increases have been kept within the hotspot areas. It's also worth noting that they are doing a massive amount of surge testing in those areas, so infections will rise, even if people have zero symptoms

bots the balancer :laugh:

[Vanessa]

So far the infection increases have been kept within the hotspot areas. It's also worth noting that they are doing a massive amount of surge testing in those areas, so infections will rise, even if people have zero symptoms

bots the balancer :laugh:

Yes, they're doing mass testing in the affected areas.
But hospitalisations and deaths are still low.
So we're good.

[arista]

New infections

2,800 up to 4,200 in seven days !!

That’s a 50% increase over 7 days !!



At this rate next Friday it could be up to 6,300 per day or worse ( given it’s gaining momentum ) and 10,000 in a fortnights time !


That’s presuming it doesn’t increase at the same rate as Bolton where infections are increasing by 101% week on week !




Blame the India fights
bringing in the Indian Variant
that transmits so much faster
than our Kent one.


We should have Blocked India
The Prim Minister is Guilty on that.

[Zizu]

So far the infection increases have been kept within the hotspot areas. It's also worth noting that they are doing a massive amount of surge testing in those areas, so infections will rise, even if people have zero symptoms



bots the balancer :laugh:



We need positive , optimistic types :)


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