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user104658

04-01-2021, 03:06 PM

Scotland is already locked down and people were already told to stay at home with schools closed, so what actually is the difference from midnight?

It wasn't a strict Spring-style "don't leave your home unless absolutely necessary" and working from home was only heavily suggested, not mandated. It's not basically a full lock down like last spring; leave home for essential trips only (supermarket run, exercise) and WFH by law if it's possible to do so. Schools were closed until the 18th but now until "at least" February 1st.

TBQFH it's not all THAT different, just swapped out "heavy recommendations" for "you musts" that the exact same people will ignore.

bots

04-01-2021, 03:08 PM

It wasn't a strict Spring-style "don't leave your home unless absolutely necessary" and working from home was only heavily suggested, not mandated. It's not basically a full lock down like last spring; leave home for essential trips only (supermarket run, exercise) and WFH by law if it's possible to do so. Schools were closed until the 18th but now until "at least" February 1st.

TBQFH it's not all THAT different, just swapped out "heavy recommendations" for "you musts" that the exact same people will ignore.

that's my thoughts too. I think at this point they have run out of ideas but are making noises to appease those saying they need to do somethng

user104658

04-01-2021, 03:10 PM

We definitely need a national lockdown, with ALL schools closed.

It honestly just feels like the latest in the endless parade of;

"We're sure the answer is _______!!"

We're sure the answer is hand washing, we're sure the answer is social distancing, we're sure the answer is putting clingfilm round all the bedding at Tesco, we're sure the answer is increased testing, we're sure the answer is... keeping the schools closed. THAT is what will make infection rates fall.

Followed by a :omgno: when it doesn't, and a wild grasp for the next "sure answer".

arista

04-01-2021, 03:12 PM

And as Reece post says
London Parliament back on Wednesday
11:30AM

user104658

04-01-2021, 03:15 PM

that's my thoughts too. I think at this point they have run out of ideas but are making noises to appease those saying they need to do somethng

Basically they're trying hard to control all of the parts they can control, while the actual source of continued infection can't be mandated against; people ignoring guidance and meeting up, often indoors in private.

My neighbours still have 4 - 8 people in the "pub-shed" in their garden at least once a fortnight. Have done the entire pandemic. I don't imagine this is unusual. I suspect they think they're "doing their bit" as they used to regularly have 20+ people round pre-pandemic.

I see people's friends and family "sneaking" in and out of their homes all the time and I don't even live on a "bad street" ... schools my arse ... people are blatantly in and out each other's houses constantly.

bots

04-01-2021, 03:22 PM

Basically they're trying hard to control all of the parts they can control, while the actual source of continued infection can't be mandated against; people ignoring guidance and meeting up, often indoors in private.

My neighbours still have 4 - 8 people in the "pub-shed" in their garden at least once a fortnight. Have done the entire pandemic. I don't imagine this is unusual. I suspect they think they're "doing their bit" as they used to regularly have 20+ people round pre-pandemic.

I see people's friends and family "sneaking" in and out of their homes all the time and I don't even live on a "bad street" ... schools my arse ... people are blatantly in and out each other's houses constantly.

i've no direct experience of it but i have heard of friends and friends of friends that completely ignored the Christmas restrictions. Round here there is significantly less movement, it feels quiet, maybe not quite at the march level, but really reduced. And ... yet again, people have started walking on the road rather than the pavement, like pavements are a source of infection .... people are weird

Ammi

04-01-2021, 03:23 PM

Ammi

04-01-2021, 03:24 PM

...and many Primary school staff have been unable to wear masks, so working without facial protection as well...

user104658

04-01-2021, 03:26 PM

...just to say that schools don’t completely close down in a lockdown, there'll be provisions in school for vulnerable children and the children of /NHS frontline workers...so delaying the reopening at Primary level for a few weeks, while vaccinations are progressing, won’t impact on NHS strain...

Like I said earlier Ammi - I don't know if this is the same in England - but this time in Scotland we've had messages from the schools "heavily encouraging" alternative arrangements (at home) to be made even for kids who are in those categories (all ASD provision kids are technically allowed to attend). This is different even to the situation a few weeks ago, where they were encouraging us to have them return on the 7th even though mainstream wasn't going back until the 18th.

Ammi

04-01-2021, 03:32 PM

Like I said earlier Ammi - I don't know if this is the same in England - but this time in Scotland we've had messages from the schools "heavily encouraging" alternative arrangements (at home) to be made even for kids who are in those categories (all ASD provision kids are technically allowed to attend). This is different even to the situation a few weeks ago, where they were encouraging us to have them return on the 7th even though mainstream wasn't going back until the 18th.

...yeah I’m confident that your girls have great provisions made for them at home and obviously that must be a real challenge with your youngest at times...but sadly that’s not always the same for every family ...and safeguarding concerns are an ongoing thing, with many new ones escalating during the last lockdown, sadly...so schools will always have to make provisions for that with the least disruption to the children’s routine...as in possibly it not always being at their own school...that’s more rare, though...

Cherie

04-01-2021, 03:36 PM

honestly it makes no difference to me or my family if we are locked down or not, its not like we are doing anything anyway apart from food shopping or interacting with literally anyone apart from if we meet someone on the street :laugh: and its been the same since March so I could care less what they do at this stage.

Cherie

04-01-2021, 03:40 PM

Basically they're trying hard to control all of the parts they can control, while the actual source of continued infection can't be mandated against; people ignoring guidance and meeting up, often indoors in private.

My neighbours still have 4 - 8 people in the "pub-shed" in their garden at least once a fortnight. Have done the entire pandemic. I don't imagine this is unusual. I suspect they think they're "doing their bit" as they used to regularly have 20+ people round pre-pandemic.

I see people's friends and family "sneaking" in and out of their homes all the time and I don't even live on a "bad street" ... schools my arse ... people are blatantly in and out each other's houses constantly.

pretty much this, i know of at least two people who travelled from Tier 4 to Tier 2 over Christmas and excused it by saying they were in a 'bubble' although they are already in a bubble elsewhere, there is a lot of bending the rules to suit themselves and it's everyone else responsibility to follow the rules

people said on the when will we be back to normal thread, that people 'wont forget' some have forgotten already, they don't even care about stepping back from people in supermarkets

Zizu

04-01-2021, 03:52 PM

where did you read this?

LBC radio and I think they’ve mentioned it on Sky News this afternoon

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Zizu

04-01-2021, 03:56 PM

Boris will make a televised address 8pm tonight

Well that’s well over 24 hours then ;)

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arista

04-01-2021, 04:13 PM

Today
58,784 have caught Covid-19

407 Deaths

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,823

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847

75,431 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

reece(:

04-01-2021, 04:38 PM

1346124192199147522

Zizu

04-01-2021, 04:45 PM

Today
58,784 have caught Covid-19

407 Deaths

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,823

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847

75,431 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

... and Monday’s figures as falsely lower aren’t they with that ‘weekend delay’ factor .

I fear that tomorrow’s infections number will be horrendous ...

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Nicky91

04-01-2021, 04:48 PM

1346124192199147522

LOL, as if one would expect music festivals to go on again this soon

user104658

04-01-2021, 04:50 PM

...yeah I’m confident that your girls have great provisions made for them at home and obviously that must be a real challenge with your youngest at times...but sadly that’s not always the same for every family ...and safeguarding concerns are an ongoing thing, with many new ones escalating during the last lockdown, sadly...so schools will always have to make provisions for that with the least disruption to the children’s routine...as in possibly it not always being at their own school...that’s more rare, though...

Oh I have absolutely no doubt that the same kids who vanished off the face of the earth last time will be AWOL again this month. Thankfully there are no kids in my daughter's class who are actually at physical risk - they all have, at least, comfortable homes with parents who are taking care of their GENERAL wellbeing - the kids who are missing from the online classes are healthy and happy "in the moment" ... just falling further and further behind. I honestly think there are kids who, at this point, already have no chance of ever catching up to where they should be at this point. They're in their final Primary School year and there are multiple kids in that class who are going to be heading off to their first year of high school next year simply not prepared for the step up. Best we can hope for, I think, is for high schools to be aware of that and ready to support those kids next year, and not be too surprised when they're not at the expected level.

Of course things get even more complicated when there are kids in the class who might not even be being looked after properly at all and don't have other adult eyes on them for months on end...

I think that's really why many people can't understand why it's not a simple decision. Most people expect that kids are at least happy and healthy at home with their family... and are blissfully unaware that this is not always the case :(

Ammi

04-01-2021, 05:00 PM

Oh I have absolutely no doubt that the same kids who vanished off the face of the earth last time will be AWOL again this month. Thankfully there are no kids in my daughter's class who are actually at physical risk - they all have, at least, comfortable homes with parents who are taking care of their GENERAL wellbeing - the kids who are missing from the online classes are healthy and happy "in the moment" ... just falling further and further behind. I honestly think there are kids who, at this point, already have no chance of ever catching up to where they should be at this point. They're in their final Primary School year and there are multiple kids in that class who are going to be heading off to their first year of high school next year simply not prepared for the step up. Best we can hope for, I think, is for high schools to be aware of that and ready to support those kids next year, and not be too surprised when they're not at the expected level.

Of course things get even more complicated when there are kids in the class who might not even be being looked after properly at all and don't have other adult eyes on them for months on end...

I think that's really why many people can't understand why it's not a simple decision. Most people expect that kids are at least happy and healthy at home with their family... and are blissfully unaware that this is not always the case :(

...with looked after children and the huge issues those children can obviously have...?...Foster parenting is always and has always been done with huge support from many agencies, as well as schools... a very extensive wrap around care is needed for just one looked after child and a school is a huge focus for that... but that’s obviously had to operate within restrictions as well... there must, though, always be the level still given that is possible in the times we live...

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 05:20 PM

arista

04-01-2021, 05:24 PM

[England goes BACK into full lockdown: Boris will
plunge country into March-style curbs in 8pm TV address
tonight - with fears schools will stay shut]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9110319/Tory-fury-Matt-Hancock-hints-tougher-lockdown-saying-ruled-out.html

arista

04-01-2021, 05:26 PM

Ch4HDnews has extended
7PM-8:30PM

They could even move Eastenders at 8PM
BBC1HD

Nicky91

04-01-2021, 05:27 PM

Ch4HDnews has extended
7PM-8:30PM

They could even move Eastenders at 8PM
BBC1HD

of course since Eastenders isn't live tv anyway, can easily be delayed for 30-45 minutes as long as Boris needs

user104658

04-01-2021, 05:29 PM

I'm hoping for tougher restrictions on retail, a lot of shops are closed but the ones that are open are being swarmed by morons who are going shopping just 'cus or for frivolous things that are available in 'essential' shops.

I feel that there's just no way to do this that doesn't rely heavily on staff discretion, and thus it can't be mandated. The list of essential vs non-essential would have the be exhaustive and who gets the job of going through a list of "every product in every shop" to decide on essential vs non-essential?

e.g. one might argue that the entire upstairs area of my local Tesco is non-essential... however it has tech items and I would argue that, if you're working from home and wake up one morning to find that your keyboard or mouse has given up, suddenly those items become very much essential (and there's a big difference between a 30 minute trip to the supermarket and a one-or-two-day wait for an online order).

Last time round it was argued that kids clothes are non-essential which anyone who has ever had kids knows is daft.

People might assume that kids toys are non-essential - absolutely not the case if, for example, you have a child with special needs who is now stuck at home 24/7. Again you can make a case for ordering online but that ends up being discriminatory against people who don't "do tech", or people who don't have access to online payment methods (yes, more exist than you would think).

It's just a minefield and it gets very silly, very quickly, with clueless 20-year-old staff blustering around bellowing about what is and isn't "an essential purchase".

DouglasS

04-01-2021, 05:32 PM

I feel that there's just no way to do this that doesn't rely heavily on staff discretion, and thus it can't be mandated. The list of essential vs non-essential would have the be exhaustive and who gets the job of going through a list of "every product in every shop" to decide on essential vs non-essential?

e.g. one might argue that the entire upstairs area of my local Tesco is non-essential... however it has tech items and I would argue that, if you're working from home and wake up one morning to find that your keyboard or mouse has given up, suddenly those items become very much essential (and there's a big difference between a 30 minute trip to the supermarket and a one-or-two-day wait for an online order).

Last time round it was argued that kids clothes are non-essential which anyone who has ever had kids knows is daft.

People might assume that kids toys are non-essential - absolutely not the case if, for example, you have a child with special needs who is now stuck at home 24/7. Again you can make a case for ordering online but that ends up being discriminatory against people who don't "do tech", or people who don't have access to online payment methods (yes, more exist than you would think).

It's just a minefield and it gets very silly, very quickly, with clueless 20-year-old staff blustering about bellowing about what is and isn't "an essential purchase".

Exactly the point.

I don’t think people should be judging people for the items they buy or assume they are “non essential”. The purchase of highlighting pens could be essential to some sitting exams, others may not think so. Like you said electronics may be essential rather than waiting for delivery.. your work will not accept you taking two days off because your keyboard has broke and your awaiting for a delivery - you could be working as NHS admin from home..

Judging people for what is and isn’t essential seems ridiculous

Ammi

04-01-2021, 05:35 PM

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 05:39 PM

Lee.

04-01-2021, 05:41 PM

...since mask wearing became compulsory, supermarkets don’t appear to have a queuing system anymore with limited customers allowed in at one time to allow for the required spacing...I think that’s an essential thing to do again as well for staff and customer safety...
Since Nicola’s statement, the supermarkets here have gone mental! They’re mobbed with massive queues. I despair for some people, I really do. Surely they realise that there’s no need to panic buy?

user104658

04-01-2021, 05:41 PM

...since mask wearing became compulsory, supermarkets don’t appear to have a queuing system anymore with limited customers allowed in at one time to allow for the required spacing...I think that’s an essential thing to do again as well for staff and customer safety...

Most of the ones around here have an electronic traffic-light system at the door but, tbh, I've never seen it NOT on green (and in the week leading up to Christmas, it was FAR too busy inside).

We did go to M&S on the 23rd and there was a queue (a pretty long one) but that's the first queue I've seen since probably May.

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 05:43 PM

When I go to the supermarkets here they aren't crowded, but I do think there should be a queueing system.

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 05:44 PM

I feel that there's just no way to do this that doesn't rely heavily on staff discretion, and thus it can't be mandated. The list of essential vs non-essential would have the be exhaustive and who gets the job of going through a list of "every product in every shop" to decide on essential vs non-essential?

e.g. one might argue that the entire upstairs area of my local Tesco is non-essential... however it has tech items and I would argue that, if you're working from home and wake up one morning to find that your keyboard or mouse has given up, suddenly those items become very much essential (and there's a big difference between a 30 minute trip to the supermarket and a one-or-two-day wait for an online order).

Last time round it was argued that kids clothes are non-essential which anyone who has ever had kids knows is daft.

People might assume that kids toys are non-essential - absolutely not the case if, for example, you have a child with special needs who is now stuck at home 24/7. Again you can make a case for ordering online but that ends up being discriminatory against people who don't "do tech", or people who don't have access to online payment methods (yes, more exist than you would think).

It's just a minefield and it gets very silly, very quickly, with clueless 20-year-old staff blustering around bellowing about what is and isn't "an essential purchase".

Such things have to be mandated at this point, it can't go on like this and if we return to the whole staff on the door approach then we open them up to more abuse from a moronic public that can't sit on their arse at home when they are told.

Limit shop hours, limit the days that supermarkets can be open, limit the stock they sell to only essentials. The public have abused the shops and their workers throughout this entire pandemic and enough is enough.

If the hedge cases you brought up suffer for it, they can blame the morons who treat going shopping during a pandemic as a day out. Keep smaller shops open to handle the every day stuff, but they need to find a way to limit people from cramming into supermarkets and places like B&M, Home Bargains, etc like the plague of locusts they are.

user104658

04-01-2021, 05:44 PM

Since Nicola’s statement, the supermarkets here have gone mental! They’re mobbed with massive queues. I despair for some people, I really do. Surely they realise that there’s no need to panic buy?

Oh FFS I was about to head out :fist:. The border closures were at least a decent reason to be a little prepared (though I must admit they were resolved pretty quickle :hehe: ) but lockdown was never a reason to panic buy... and not only that... but we now know FROM EXPERIENCE that they're not a reason to panic buy. Why do people think lockdown will be a problem for supply now when it wasn't last year?

Please tell me they're not all buying up toilet roll again...

Ammi

04-01-2021, 05:45 PM

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 05:46 PM

Exactly the point.

I don’t think people should be judging people for the items they buy or assume they are “non essential”. The purchase of highlighting pens could be essential to some sitting exams, others may not think so. Like you said electronics may be essential rather than waiting for delivery.. your work will not accept you taking two days off because your keyboard has broke and your awaiting for a delivery - you could be working as NHS admin from home..

Judging people for what is and isn’t essential seems ridiculous

Nah, I can and will judge morons if they go out for ****ing cushions and throws in a pandemic, if they hear 'Tier 4' and think 'Let's pop to the shops for some paint and decorate!'

A pandemic is a ****ing pandemic, people need to wake up and start treating it as such or it'll never end.

Ammi

04-01-2021, 05:49 PM

Most of the ones around here have an electronic traffic-light system at the door but, tbh, I've never seen it NOT on green (and in the week leading up to Christmas, it was FAR too busy inside).

We did go to M&S on the 23rd and there was a queue (a pretty long one) but that's the first queue I've seen since probably May.

...it’s obviously different areas, then...all of our essential open shops through the last lockdown only allowed for limited body’s inside at one time and it was always staffed from outside the store...but since compulsory masks, there hasn’t seemed to be those limited numbers and spacing has become more stressful...

Nicky91

04-01-2021, 05:49 PM

Nah, I can and will judge morons if they go out for ****ing cushions and throws in a pandemic, if they hear 'Tier 4' and think 'Let's pop to the shops for some paint and decorate!'

A pandemic is a ****ing pandemic, people need to wake up and start treating it as such or it'll never end.

exactly

and also we need to all listen more to Merkel's advice, how corona can only go away if we all work together

user104658

04-01-2021, 05:50 PM

Such things have to be mandated at this point, it can't go on like this and if we return to the whole staff on the door approach then we open them up to more abuse from a moronic public that can't sit on their arse at home when they are told.

Limit shop hours, limit the days that supermarkets can be open, limit the stock they sell to only essentials. The public have abused the shops and their workers throughout this entire pandemic and enough is enough.

If the hedge cases you brought up suffer for it, they can blame the morons who treat going shopping during a pandemic as a day out. Keep smaller shops open to handle the every day stuff, but they need to find a way to limit people from cramming into supermarkets and places like B&M, Home Bargains, etc like the plague of locusts they are.

Yes but again - what is essential? Who decides what is essential? If you're telling me that an actual adult with some sort of qualification will do it and mandate it then that might be something to consider but I just don't think having teenage shelf stackers try to figure out what to yell at customers for is a sustainable situation.

To be brutally honest here - Home Bargains/B&M etc are just not essential retail and should be shut if non-essential retail is shut. Yes, they sell some food, but it's abundantly clear that no one goes to B&M *just* to get their food shopping... they go for other things/for a browse and might pick up some food on the way round if it's a good offer. No one "needs" to go to Home Bargains for their essentials when there's inevitably a Lidl right next to it.

So the simpler rule, really, would be to say that if a store's PRIMARY FINCTION is not the sale of food/essential items, it shouldn't be opening at all, instead of opening with 80% of the shop closed off.

DouglasS

04-01-2021, 05:54 PM

Such things have to be mandated at this point, it can't go on like this and if we return to the whole staff on the door approach then we open them up to more abuse from a moronic public that can't sit on their arse at home when they are told.

Limit shop hours, limit the days that supermarkets can be open, limit the stock they sell to only essentials. The public have abused the shops and their workers throughout this entire pandemic and enough is enough.

If the hedge cases you brought up suffer for it, they can blame the morons who treat going shopping during a pandemic as a day out. Keep smaller shops open to handle the every day stuff, but they need to find a way to limit people from cramming into supermarkets and places like B&M, Home Bargains, etc like the plague of locusts they are.

You do realise limiting shop hours/closing supermarkets on certain days means the same number of people will be required to go to the shop but in a smaller amount of a Window, resulting in larger crowds and more people per a trip... the logic makes zero sense. Are you spreading a message to spread the virus further?

This is a perfect example of the public or Facebook comments do not always know best.. some ideas are seriously dangerous, it’s not as easy as people think making all of these decisions..

Nicky91

04-01-2021, 05:55 PM

arista

04-01-2021, 05:58 PM

ITV1HD has it at 8PM
BBC1HD 8PM
SkyNewsHD 8pm
Ch4HDnews 8PM
LBC Radio.
Radio5

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 06:02 PM

Yes but again - what is essential? Who decides what is essential? If you're telling me that an actual adult with some sort of qualification will do it and mandate it then that might be something to consider but I just don't think having teenage shelf stackers try to figure out what to yell at customers for is a sustainable situation.

To be brutally honest here - Home Bargains/B&M etc are just not essential retail and should be shut if non-essential retail is shut. Yes, they sell some food, but it's abundantly clear that no one goes to B&M *just* to get their food shopping... they go for other things/for a browse and might pick up some food on the way round if it's a good offer. No one "needs" to go to Home Bargains for their essentials when there's inevitable a Lidl right next to it.

So the simpler rule, really, would be to say that if a store's PRIMARY FINCTION is not the sale of food/essential items, it shouldn't be opening at all, instead of opening with 80% of the shop closed off.

The distinction of what makes a shop essential is just too broad.

Do you sell cleaning products? Pet stuff? Any kind of food, medicine or hygienic stuff? DIY tools for repairs? You're essential regardless.

I could easily dictate what is and what isn't essential, let's take the B&M/Home Bargains type places as an example. First off, rope off the majority of the home living sections, leaving only the basics such as lights, candles, blankets etc. Secondly, write off most of the stationary section, and only offer essentials such as pens, basic notepads, and potentially common computer items and such.

When it comes to DIY, paint and wallpaper should not be sold, decorating is not essential and if people want to decorate in a lockdown, they should buy that **** online. Most other typical DIY items would be considered essential. When it comes to the garden stuff, anything decorative should be prohibited and sales in stores should be restricted to stuff like produce seeds. Toys should be locked off.

Rope off those kind of things and you'll get a lot less people coming in for bull****. Honestly, these types of shops really need to be limited in opening hours and times though. People use these places as an excuse to browse more than anything else.

I would honestly be here for shops not opening if their core function isn't essential, but it'll never happen, the best thing we can do is give morons a reason not to flood these places by roping off the non-essentials.

Lee.

04-01-2021, 06:03 PM

Oh FFS I was about to head out :fist:. The border closures were at least a decent reason to be a little prepared (though I must admit they were resolved pretty quickle :hehe: ) but lockdown was never a reason to panic buy... and not only that... but we now know FROM EXPERIENCE that they're not a reason to panic buy. Why do people think lockdown will be a problem for supply now when it wasn't last year?

Please tell me they're not all buying up toilet roll again...

I believe they are :fist:

user104658

04-01-2021, 06:04 PM

You do realise limiting shop hours/closing supermarkets on certain days means the same number of people will be required to go to the shop but in a smaller amount of a Window, resulting in larger crowds and more people per a trip... the logic makes zero sense. Are you spreading a message to spread the virus further?

This is a perfect example of the public or Facebook comments do not always know best.. some ideas are seriously dangerous, it’s not as easy as people think making all of these decisions..

Have to agree with that - limiting store opening times is only going to condense the customers into closer contact which is really the last thing you want. If anything, supermarkets should operate LONGER opening hours and messaging should be put out to encourage "night owls" to shop at night when it's quieter.

Years ago I used to regularly do the weekly shop after my shift on a Saturday (so at around 10.30/11pm) and I loved it, very few people in, a nice, socially distanced, peaceful experience. Then they started closing at 10pm and I had to do my shopping in the day time like some sort of animal :oh:.

LukeB

04-01-2021, 06:08 PM

When it comes to DIY, paint and wallpaper should not be sold, decorating is not essential and if people want to decorate in a lockdown, they should buy that **** online. Most other typical DIY items would be considered essential. When it comes to the garden stuff, anything decorative should be prohibited and sales in stores should be restricted to stuff like produce seeds. Toys should be locked off.

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I agree with this! DIY/paint/wallpaper is not essential and should just order it online which helps other companies that are closed. I would also say games/dvds too Game and HMV are closed but still deliver.

People do find an excuse just to go to a supermarket so stuff needs to be done about that.

user104658

04-01-2021, 06:12 PM

I agree with this! DIY/paint/wallpaper is not essential and should just order it online which helps other companies that are closed. I would also say games/dvds too Game and HMV are closed but still deliver.

The problem is discrimination though, it's making an assumption that everyone has the means to and is in the situation to order from the internet, which is easy to assume, but simply not always true. So it's effectively taking the people in the worst position already and saying "tough **** we can just get this stuff online, it's not our problem that you can't".

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 06:12 PM

I get everything online now.
So much easier.

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 06:13 PM

Lee.

04-01-2021, 06:17 PM

The distinction of what makes a shop essential is just too broad.

Do you sell cleaning products? Pet stuff? Any kind of food, medicine or hygienic stuff? DIY tools for repairs? You're essential regardless.

I could easily dictate what is and what isn't essential, let's take the B&M/Home Bargains type places as an example. First off, rope off the majority of the home living sections, leaving only the basics such as lights, candles, blankets etc. Secondly, write off most of the stationary section, and only offer essentials such as pens, basic notepads, and potentially common computer items and such.

When it comes to DIY, paint and wallpaper should not be sold, decorating is not essential and if people want to decorate in a lockdown, they should buy that **** online. Most other typical DIY items would be considered essential. When it comes to the garden stuff, anything decorative should be prohibited and sales in stores should be restricted to stuff like produce seeds. Toys should be locked off.

Rope off those kind of things and you'll get a lot less people coming in for bull****. Honestly, these types of shops really need to be limited in opening hours and times though. People use these places as an excuse to browse more than anything else.

I would honestly be here for shops not opening if their core function isn't essential, but it'll never happen, the best thing we can do is give morons a reason not to flood these places by roping off the non-essentials.

Thing is, all those “”essentials” you mentioned in HB/B&M are all available in most Tesco’s/Asda’s.
I’ve been in HB once this year and it was full of folk wandering about aimlessly, with their baskets full of ****e. No consideration for social distancingat all either. I ended up thinking I was about to get a hiding from a misshapen lady wearing no bra, and I vowed never to go back until this is all over.

user104658

04-01-2021, 06:17 PM

I think they can cope without redecorating for a few weeks, TS.

Everyone can cope without redecorating forever but that's not really the point, it contributes to disparities and a forgotten underclass. I know it's tempting to say "that stuff doesn't matter right now" but... well... it does. Saying that "most people can get that sort of thing online and the rest, well, whatever, they can do without" is problematic for a whole bunch of reasons.

user104658

04-01-2021, 06:19 PM

I’ve been in HB once this year and it was full of folk wandering about aimlessly, with their baskets full of ****e.

It wouldn't be the full Home Bargains experience otherwise :laugh:.

Ammi

04-01-2021, 06:19 PM

Thing is, all those “”essentials” you mentioned in HB/B&M are all available in most Tesco’s/Asda’s.
I’ve been in HB once this year and it was full of folk wandering about aimlessly, with their baskets full of ****e. No consideration for social distancingat all either. I ended up thinking I was about to get a hiding from a misshapen lady wearing no bra, and I vowed never to go back until this is all over.

...hmmmmm, maybe she went in there to get a bra and was looking for the bra aisle...

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 06:20 PM

Also the idea of branding shops not selling certain items as discrimination is just a ridiculous concept.

This is a pandemic, what's so difficult to understand about that? I've not seen my friends in person for months, I've had to work throughout this pandemic, putting myself at risk for a hateful public that would spit in my face for it. I can't have sympathy for people not being able to buy pointless ****.

LukeB

04-01-2021, 06:22 PM

The problem is discrimination though, it's making an assumption that everyone has the means to and is in the situation to order from the internet, which is easy to assume, but simply not always true. So it's effectively taking the people in the worst position already and saying "tough **** we can just get this stuff online, it's not our problem that you can't".

But DIY/Wallpaper/paint isn't really important to buy definitely not worth the risk getting corona and spreading it to whoever your living with and your bubble if you have one because you know non maskers are a thing and are never challenged.

user104658

04-01-2021, 06:24 PM

Also the idea of branding shops not selling certain items as discrimination is just a ridiculous concept.

Again the question is who decides, I don't trust retail staff to consider it properly or get it right. That might be a bit blunt but there it is.

This is a pandemic, what's so difficult to understand about that? I've not seen my friends in person for months, I've had to work throughout this pandemic, putting myself at risk for a hateful public that would spit in my face for it. I can't have sympathy for people not being able to buy pointless ****.

It's a bit fascinating that you seem to imagine that you're alone in this or have been worse affected than others? :think:

Ammi

04-01-2021, 06:24 PM

Everyone can cope without redecorating forever but that's not really the point, it contributes to disparities and a forgotten underclass. I know it's tempting to say "that stuff doesn't matter right now" but... well... it does. Saying that "most people can get that sort of thing online and the rest, well, whatever, they can do without" is problematic for a whole bunch of reasons.

...I guess that it’s a difficult one though because I see Dezzy’s points also, which make complete sense...if essential were stripped back, as it were to be living essentials...then there is no underclass or over class etc...for instance and getting off topic a bit...when there is stock piling and panic buying etc...?...those who can’t afford to do that, who are living on low incomes and furlough reduced incomes etc and can’t afford to buy any extras...would also be ‘the underclass’...as opposed to ‘the privileged’ who are able to stock pile...it’s very layered...

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 06:25 PM

But DIY/Wallpaper/paint isn't really important to buy definitely not worth the risk getting corona and spreading it to whoever your living with and your bubble if you have one because you know non maskers are a thing and are never challenged.

Yes. Anything non essential should be bought online.
Like shoes, for example.

LukeB

04-01-2021, 06:26 PM

It worked well in Spain during the first lockdowns, you had certain shops open on certain days and closed on others because people were made to limit their trips outside. If people like you just did your weekly shop and left it at that then things would go back to normal quicker but no, you need your throws, your cushions, your wallpaper.

Limit supermarkets and the bigger shops, leave smaller shops open for every day essentials since it's easier to keep control over them. You'd see an improvement immediately.

Spain/Canary Islands also had people checking what people have bought and if they found stuff that isn't food they got fined so i doubt anyone took the piss going to the supermarket over there.

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 06:39 PM

Again the question is who decides, I don't trust retail staff to consider it properly or get it right. That might be a bit blunt but there it is.

It's a bit fascinating that you seem to imagine that you're alone in this or have been worse affected than others? :think:

Where did I say I've suffered worse than anyone? Perhaps you should stick to what I've actually said instead of trying to stuff words down my throat, you're less likely to embarrass yourself that way. Now, if you're done with trying and failing to make out I've written something I haven't, let's get back to the topic, shall we?

What makes you think shop workers decide what gets to be sold or prohibited? It's a bit of a silly point to make since they aren't the ones that make the decisions. If the government mandate the restriction of items sold in shops, then what will happen is that a list of items to be taken off the shelves (or roped off) will come in from above and the shop workers will do just that.

arista

04-01-2021, 06:50 PM

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Kizzy

04-01-2021, 06:54 PM

I say click and collect only is the way to go for B&Q. There could be a sign up only phone line ordering system for collection perhaps for those for whom online shopping isn't possible.
They've had almost a year to find alternative shopping arrangements for all their customers. Those stores are huge a skeleton staff for phone only orders / click and collect would at least keep the business/ jobs going.

Kizzy

04-01-2021, 07:00 PM

Imagine comparing working out at a gym, something you're meant to do multiple times a week, to going to the supermarket, something people only really need to do once a week and expecting a good valid comparison :skull:.

Gyms, when open, are more likely to have consistent numbers because people will be likely to go there multiple times a week. If people stuck to the guidelines and actually only went out to do their big shop once a week instead of browsing to kill time multiple times a week than limiting shop hours wouldn't be a problem.

The problem here is that you're expecting retail workers to suffer for the public's bad habits rather than accept the fact that the public are the problem.

I agree with you here, there is really no need if you have to go to a supermarket to go more than once a week..no need at all. Produce lasts well if stored correctly meat has a good few days on as a rule or can be frozen.
And surely to God now everyone has enough loo roll and baked beans for at least a week!

Alf

04-01-2021, 07:02 PM

Rumour has it that this is gonna go on until 2025.

Zizu

04-01-2021, 07:08 PM

Rumour has it that this is gonna go on until 2025.

What !!!

Our bog rolls supply will only last till mid 2023 !

:)

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LukeB

04-01-2021, 07:09 PM

I agree with you here, there is really no need if you have to go to a supermarket to go more than once a week..no need at all. Produce lasts well if stored correctly meat has a good few days on as a rule or can be frozen.
And surely to God now everyone has enough loo roll and baked beans for at least a week!

Hopefully people can actually do their actual shop this time around without any idiots panic buying making people having to come back for an item that they really need. I do say vulnerable should be the first ones to do their shopping like last time. Someone shouldn't have to die because someone wants wallpaper.

Zizu

04-01-2021, 07:13 PM

user104658

04-01-2021, 07:13 PM

Where did I say I've suffered worse than anyone? Perhaps you should stick to what I've actually said instead of trying to stuff words down my throat, you're less likely to embarrass yourself that way. Now, if you're done with trying and failing to make out I've written something I haven't, let's get back to the topic, shall we?

It felt like you were leveraging the ways you've suffered from the pandemic and lockdowns as a sort of mandate to an authoritative voice on what's right/fair, I was merely pointing out that some of those things apply to literally everyone and others to a lot of people, so it really means nothing, at all, that you haven't seen your friends or have had to work through the pandemic :shrug:. It doesn't bolster your opinion. It's fine to mention it but it seems sort of moot.

What makes you think shop workers decide what gets to be sold or prohibited? It's a bit of a silly point to make since they aren't the ones that make the decisions. If the government mandate the restriction of items sold in shops, then what will happen is that a list of items to be taken off the shelves (or roped off) will come in from above and the shop workers will do just that.

The silly incidents previously with various shops roping off areas with absolutely no consistency even within the same company, let alone across all retail, suggests to me that this far at least it very much has been left up to shop employees (at least managers) to make these decisions, especially as a lot of the dumber decisions were put down to "misinterpretation of the guidelines". Which makes it clear that there would need to be very specific instructions on what to sell and what not to sell, as shop teams can't be trusted to come to the same consistent conclusions when interpreting looser advice... And if one shop continues selling a product whilst another deems it unnecessary it all just falls apart.

Kizzy

04-01-2021, 07:16 PM

user104658

04-01-2021, 07:19 PM

On a serious note ... now I’m not certain which vaccines they are producing BUT I just heard someone on LBC report that India have tonight put a total ban on exporting vaccines produced in their country ..

This may or not be disastrous for the uk I really can’t say but it doesn’t sound like a good development ..

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAs far as I know, none of the UK's supply is manufactured there. The UK supply of Oxford/Astra is mainly produced domestically on Britain with a few more sites in Europe. I think any Pfizer for the UK is made in mainland Europe (Germany?). I doubt Pfizer would even survive transport from India tbh.

Kizzy

04-01-2021, 07:29 PM

I thought the Pfizer one came from Belgium?

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 07:31 PM

It felt like you were leveraging the ways you've suffered from the pandemic and lockdowns as a sort of mandate to an authoritative voice on what's right/fair, I was merely pointing out that some of those things apply to literally everyone and others to a lot of people, so it really means nothing, at all, that you haven't seen your friends or have had to work through the pandemic :shrug:. It doesn't bolster your opinion. It's fine to mention it but it seems sort of moot.

The silly incidents previously with various shops roping off areas with absolutely no consistency even within the same company, let alone across all retail, suggests to me that this far at least it very much has been left up to shop employees (at least managers) to make these decisions, especially as a lot of the dumber decisions were put down to "misinterpretation of the guidelines". Which makes it clear that there would need to be very specific instructions on what to sell and what not to sell, as shop teams can't be trusted to come to the same consistent conclusions when interpreting looser advice... And if one shop continues selling a product whilst another deems it unnecessary it all just falls apart.

Doubling down on shoving words down my throat won't work, TS.

I was stating my experiences, can we not do that or do we have to make sure that our experiences are unique and that no one suffers like we do before we are allowed to share?

Stick to arguing against what I'm saying, not what you want me to say.

Which is why I said it must be mandated by the government, ignoring that won't make your argument stronger. Also, what is your issue with retail workers? You seem intent on making them out to be incompetent.

Beso

04-01-2021, 07:37 PM

The problem is discrimination though, it's making an assumption that everyone has the means to and is in the situation to order from the internet, which is easy to assume, but simply not always true. So it's effectively taking the people in the worst position already and saying "tough **** we can just get this stuff online, it's not our problem that you can't".

People should be allowed to purchase whatever a shop sells, there should be no roping off..just store closures if people cant keep to the distancing and mask wearing rules, and more importantly for me is if the shop dont inforce it...Close them down instantly.

No way you can go in to buy wallpaper without a mask claiming you have conditions..:nono:

The perfect items during this new lockdown are obviously DIY stuff so people can keep themselves busy, and mor importantly, the mind occupied.

Denver

04-01-2021, 07:44 PM

I believe takeaways should also closed because queuing up at McDonald's is not essential

LukeB

04-01-2021, 07:48 PM

I believe takeaways should also closed because queuing up at McDonald's is not essential

Uber it?

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 07:49 PM

Takeaways can operate online.
So I don't mind.

Denver

04-01-2021, 07:51 PM

Uber it?

Bit every time I go past the drive through is heaving so I don't see how non essential travel is banned bit travelling for a coffee at McDonald's is?

Beso

04-01-2021, 07:51 PM

Uber it?

Its not that easy!!

Thousand, and perhaps hundreds if not thousands of families will have a mother with a bank or credit card, and in many cases 4 hungry teenagers to feed.

How on earth can she cope with that.:shrug:

Beso

04-01-2021, 07:52 PM

I believe takeaways should also closed because queuing up at McDonald's is not essential

For thousands it may be...if not hundred of thousands if teenage kids.

AnnieK

04-01-2021, 07:52 PM

I've not had a takeaway since before March last year...

Denver

04-01-2021, 07:53 PM

Its not that easy!!

Thousand, and perhaps hundreds if not thousands of families will have a mother with a bank or credit card, and in many cases 4 hungry teenagers to feed.

How on earth can she cope with that.:shrug:

Stop being lazy and cook? Locldowns are the perfect chance to learn to cook new things with most people having a lot of time on their hands instead of putting people and staff at takeaways at risk because they can't be bothered to cook

Beso

04-01-2021, 07:54 PM

I've not had a takeaway since before March last year...

Is that because of lockdown?:wavey:

Like what I mean is have you been stuck at home more and took up cooking a lot more?

Denver

04-01-2021, 07:54 PM

I've not had a takeaway since before March last year...

In both lockdowns I stayed away because they were not essential

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 07:54 PM

I only have a takeaway on a Saturday night.
There's nothing better :laugh:

Beso

04-01-2021, 07:55 PM

Stop being lazy and cook? Locldowns are the perfect chance to learn to cook new things with most people having a lot of time on their hands instead of putting people and staff at takeaways at risk because they can't be bothered to cook

What if the only money on the bank card is paid by the government because the mother is unable to get around because of illness?

AnnieK

04-01-2021, 07:57 PM

Is that because of lockdown?:wavey:

Like what I mean is have you been stuck at home more and took up cooking a lot more?

We've never had loads of takeaways anyway....I prefer to cook fake aways.....its cheaper, I can make them healthier and so I haven't bothered. I was paranoid to begin with about whose hands had touched the food etc so stayed away.

Denver

04-01-2021, 07:58 PM

What if the only money on the bank card is paid by the government because the mother is unable to get around because of illness?

You can get shopping to be delivered or if you have teenage kids ask them to help out you can get days worth of food instead of 1 takeaway meal

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:00 PM

You can get shopping to be delivered or if you have teenage kids ask them to help out you can get days worth of food instead of 1 takeaway meal

You can ask them...that is true...but who polices the kids if the say "nah, I'm on my xbox"..where does that leave the mother?

arista

04-01-2021, 08:01 PM

ITV1HD has it at 8PM
BBC1HD 8PM
SkyNewsHD 8pm
Ch4HDnews 8PM
LBC Radio.
Radio5

Posting again

He is Live

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:06 PM

He said immunity...he better be right.

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 08:08 PM

We're on lockdown again.

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:09 PM

He said exactly how to defeat it..

smudgie

04-01-2021, 08:17 PM

School out for most for over another month then.:shrug:
Hopefully it will make the difference we need.

arista

04-01-2021, 08:17 PM

We're on lockdown again.

Yes.

LukeB

04-01-2021, 08:18 PM

We're on lockdown again.

hopefully they lift it at the right time because we will keep having lockdowns if it's lifted early like lockdown 2 was.

GoldHeart

04-01-2021, 08:18 PM

I believe takeaways should also closed because queuing up at McDonald's is not essential

Why the hell are people still queuing for takeaways ,I'm done :facepalm: .

It just feels like we keep going backwards, surely now with these strict lockdown rules it should apply to everything.

Zizu

04-01-2021, 08:20 PM

Schools / universities closed unless you have key worker and vulnerable children

Until after Feb half term

No exams in the summer ..

Is that correct ??

Apologies.. I’m watching footie ...

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Beso

04-01-2021, 08:20 PM

Why the hell are people still queuing for takeaways ,I'm done :facepalm: .

It just feels like we keep going backwards, surely now with these strict lockdown rules it should apply to everything.

Cause people need to fgs :fist:

I honestly cant believe people selfishness in judging the need of others in this thread..its disgusting.

GoldHeart

04-01-2021, 08:21 PM

Cause people need to fgs :fist:

I honestly cant believe people selfishness in judging the need of others in this thread..its disgusting.

People need to what !???

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:23 PM

Quick question..

Number ten downing street is a household yeah?

All those workers popping in and out..surely that's against the law, somehow.

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:24 PM

People need to what !???

Eat from McDonalds and other takeaways rather than at home, for a main meal.

Smithy

04-01-2021, 08:27 PM

I believe takeaways should also closed because queuing up at McDonald's is not essential

I don’t think they’re allowed to stay open for collection everything has to be delivered now

GoldHeart

04-01-2021, 08:29 PM

Eat from McDonalds and other takeaways rather than at home, for a main meal.

You can still order takeaway,but why do you need to stand in line causing risks?? . You can have it delivered to you . There's a billion takeaways you can order from home .

Kizzy

04-01-2021, 08:36 PM

You can get shopping to be delivered or if you have teenage kids ask them to help out you can get days worth of food instead of 1 takeaway meal

Is this 2021 or 1951?...

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:36 PM

You can still order takeaway,but why do you need to stand in line causing risks?? . You can have it delivered to you . There's a billion takeaways you can order from home .

Lots of families will be in a situation where the kids just need to get out the house for half an hour for all kinds of mental healrh issues...I think it's a risk that's worth it for everyone's mental health.

DouglasS

04-01-2021, 08:36 PM

Wow the Oxford one only offers 70% immunity after the first jab? That’s a lot lower than I thought. They made out that two jobs offer 90-95% immunity and that there was barely any difference between 1 jab and 2 jabs. Maybe the Oxford vaccine just has the lowest immunity of all of them?

Denver

04-01-2021, 08:39 PM

Is this 2021 or 1951?...

Are you saying you can't get 2 or 3 meals from a fiver?

Beso

04-01-2021, 08:39 PM

Is this 2021 or 1951?...

You would have had a better chance of your kids listening to you in 1951 compared to today...:shrug:

Zizu

04-01-2021, 09:24 PM

It’s gone quiet in here suddenly .... are you all hitting the beers and wines ?

:)

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Vanessa

04-01-2021, 09:35 PM

It’s gone quiet in here suddenly .... are you all hitting the beers and wines ?

:)

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That's my plan for tomorrow. :joker:

Zizu

04-01-2021, 09:37 PM

That's my plan for tomorrow. :joker:

Completely acceptable and understandable !!

:)

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AnnieK

04-01-2021, 09:40 PM

Completely acceptable and understandable !!

:)

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I am doing dry january but my resolve is slipping. My son gutted about school.....I've been re-furloughed. Its going to be a looong, hard winter :laugh:

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 09:43 PM

I am doing dry january but my resolve is slipping. My son gutted about school.....I've been re-furloughed. Its going to be a looong, hard winter :laugh:
I think we should postpone it :laugh:

user104658

04-01-2021, 09:45 PM

Are you saying you can't get 2 or 3 meals from a fiver?

Are you saying you can get two or three meals for a family for a fiver?

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 09:49 PM

I doubt this lockdown will have much of an effect, and if it does, it'll be instantly undone by morons as soon as it ends.

It's just another half measure 'lockdown'.

AnnieK

04-01-2021, 09:55 PM

I doubt this lockdown will have much of an effect, and if it does, it'll be instantly undone by morons as soon as it ends.

It's just another half measure 'lockdown'.

Tbf its better than the November lockdown.

AnnieK

04-01-2021, 09:59 PM

Are you saying you can get two or three meals for a family for a fiver?

I could....I can get 8meals out of a £3.99 pack of minced beef ....granted all 8 are spag bol but its doable. Plus my family is 2 but if we ate spag bol every night I can feed us both for 4 nights on a fiver

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 10:05 PM

I could....I can get 8meals out of a £3.99 pack of minced beef ....granted all 8 are spag bol but its doable. Plus my family is 2 but if we ate spag bol every night I can feed us both for 4 nights on a fiver

That's what I usually have for lunch. Pasta

Denver

04-01-2021, 10:05 PM

Are you saying you can get two or three meals for a family for a fiver?

Are you saying you can feed a family at McDonald's for a fiver ?

Tom4784

04-01-2021, 10:10 PM

Tbf its better than the November lockdown.

It might be but.... I'm tired, I'm just..... Tired.

Vanessa

04-01-2021, 10:11 PM

Hopefully things will get better with the vaccines.

AnnieK

04-01-2021, 10:14 PM

It might be but.... I'm tired, I'm just..... Tired.

:love:

I think we all are....I hope that everyone gets it now, I don't think they will but I feel we have to have hope, otherwise we have nothing

:hug:

Mystic Mock

04-01-2021, 10:17 PM

Hopefully things will get better with the vaccines.

This.

It's been a very stressful time for us all, hopefully this Lockdown works.

arista

04-01-2021, 10:48 PM

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arista

04-01-2021, 10:49 PM

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arista

04-01-2021, 10:49 PM

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arista

04-01-2021, 10:50 PM

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arista

04-01-2021, 10:50 PM

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Zizu

04-01-2021, 11:38 PM

Sobering thoughts from Thomas Moore Sky Science correspondent

So we know that the recent rise in infections is solely due to this new more virulent variant - it is 50% more transmittable .

The virus is staying one step ahead of the science .
It’s basically a race now between the ‘injections’ versus ‘infections’ ‘

90% of deaths are over 65 and we have 17 million people over 65 .

The dilemma is how quickly can we get an initial dose into 17 million people ... as the virus ain’t sitting around waiting ..

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Zizu

04-01-2021, 11:53 PM

Labour MP Justin Madders just said on Sky News that during the last lockdown we still let 18 million into the country !!

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bots

05-01-2021, 12:40 AM

don't like to be saying "told you so" but this has been so predictable

user104658

05-01-2021, 01:07 AM

don't like to be saying "told you so" but this has been so predictableHush bots we must let optimists be optimists, or so I'm told. Some people prefer to glide the easy heights of pretty, hopeful stories with the sudden jolt of a crash to earth at that end. Not everyone can drive the slow, rumbling, grey roads of pragmatism. Sigh.

bots

05-01-2021, 01:20 AM

Labour MP Justin Madders just said on Sky News that during the last lockdown we still let 18 million into the country !!

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we have much tighter control of people coming in and out of the country now than we had last March, so we are in a much better position in that respect. Also, the SA variant may be more transmissible than the original variant, but we don't know if it can compete with the UK variant, and it would really have to be several orders of magnitude more infectious than the uk variant to be able to take hold in this country at any meaningful level. These things are complicated.

Also ... from a personal perspective, you must be more relieved for yourself now than you were earlier in the day

Zizu

05-01-2021, 01:54 AM

we have much tighter control of people coming in and out of the country now than we had last March, so we are in a much better position in that respect. Also, the SA variant may be more transmissible than the original variant, but we don't know if it can compete with the UK variant, and it would really have to be several orders of magnitude more infectious than the uk variant to be able to take hold in this country at any meaningful level. These things are complicated.

Also ... from a personal perspective, you must be more relieved for yourself now than you were earlier in the day

Very much so and thank you for the thought !

I’d basically accepted that I was going to catch it ... it was just how soon .

So for the foreseeable future ( well past February whatever they say ) I’ll be in school with just colleagues plus key worker/ vulnerable kids so from a personal perspective I will certainly be far safer than if the whole 1400 were in attendance :)

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arista

05-01-2021, 02:02 AM

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arista

05-01-2021, 02:03 AM

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arista

05-01-2021, 02:03 AM

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arista

05-01-2021, 02:04 AM

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arista

05-01-2021, 02:05 AM

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Kizzy

05-01-2021, 02:14 AM

Are you saying you can't get 2 or 3 meals from a fiver?

Go on then ..family of 4/ 3 meals for a fiver. Go.
I'm all ears.

Denver

05-01-2021, 04:42 AM

Go on then ..family of 4/ 3 meals for a fiver. Go.
I'm all ears.

That's what at least £20-30 a time takeaway bill now that's easy to make at least 3 meals if not more

Ammi

05-01-2021, 06:52 AM

It might be but.... I'm tired, I'm just..... Tired.

...:hug:...we may have all lived the same restrictions in some ways but we haven’t all lived the same restrictions in others...and I know that you’ve worked all the way through it, with no option to work from home and feel less vulnerable and exposed...we’ve been given the ‘light’ haven’t we, with the vaccines...?...but it’s now feeling countered with the super spreader viruses and just so stress filled and we’re running so much on low spirits atm...:hug:...

thesheriff443

05-01-2021, 07:24 AM

It might be but.... I'm tired, I'm just..... Tired.

You are far from alone in feeling tired and that people are taking the p1ss but good people have to fight twice as hard to make up for the bad people who are too stupid to take responsibility for their actions.

Stay safe dezzy x

bots

05-01-2021, 07:29 AM

AnnieK

05-01-2021, 07:30 AM

I feel actually a bit scared again....:sad:

Ammi

05-01-2021, 07:35 AM

You are far from alone in feeling tired and that people are taking the p1ss but good people have to fight twice as hard to make up for the bad people who are too stupid to take responsibility for their actions.

Stay safe dezzy x

...Sheriff..:hug:...isn’t it the forum way and ethos to share our wobbly times, isn’t it what we encourage of each other....and there are no times so uncertain and wobbly as our present times...and then so much hostility shown for someone who shared those wobbly moments, who put trust in us to do that...

bots

05-01-2021, 07:37 AM

I feel actually a bit scared again....:sad:

just carry on being as careful as you have

AnnieK

05-01-2021, 07:40 AM

just carry on being as careful as you have

I'm not scared of getting it, I scared by what we will have to face as a country economically and emotionally.

bots

05-01-2021, 07:43 AM

I'm not scared of getting it, I scared by what we will have to face as a country economically and emotionally.

yes, i agree, it's pretty depressing thinking about what lies ahead in the coming weeks and months

thesheriff443

05-01-2021, 07:47 AM

...Sheriff..:hug:...isn’t it the forum way and ethos to share our wobbly times, isn’t it what we encourage of each other....and there are no times so uncertain and wobbly as our present times...and then so much hostility shown for someone who shared those wobbly moments, who put trust in us to do that...

Some times we love someone and they don’t love us back it’s not because they are bad it’s because they don’t feel the same way as we do!

I whole heartedly encourage anyone to share the way they feel on here.

Personally from me, my mum has been in intensive care she had a torn bowel and been left with a colostomy bag

She was expected to live and has defied the odds she is still in hospital, we have been living on a knife edge living minute by minute.
But we must all take the good with the bad and look for better days ahead.

Ammi

05-01-2021, 07:53 AM

Some times we love someone and they don’t love us back it’s not because they are bad it’s because they don’t feel the same way as we do!

I whole heartedly encourage anyone to share the way they feel on here.

Personally from me, my mum has been in intensive care she had a torn bowel and been left with a colostomy bag

She was expected to live and has defied the odds she is still in hospital, we have been living on a knife edge living minute by minute.
But we must all take the good with the bad and look for better days ahead.

...I’m so, so sorry that your mum’s health is such a worry...:hug:...but she’s defying those odds, eh ...and hopefully that will continue...our much loved vulnerable relatives have been so exposed through these times and some have been sadly lost...but there are also so many like your mum, who are here and fighting...

joeysteele

05-01-2021, 07:59 AM

...:hug:...we may have all lived the same restrictions in some ways but we haven’t all lived the same restrictions in others...and I know that you’ve worked all the way through it, with no option to work from home and feel less vulnerable and exposed...we’ve been given the ‘light’ haven’t we, with the vaccines...?...but it’s now feeling countered with the super spreader viruses and just so stress filled and we’re running so much on low spirits atm...:hug:...

Absolutely right and those are lovely, understanding and supportive words
Which I think a lot of people need at this time.

We are still very much in worrying times and uncertain ones too.
Sadly there's more to come too yet obviously.
I know the worries I have, my determination to protect those with me is vital I keep going on with.

You keep safe Ammi please.

user104658

05-01-2021, 09:44 AM

i think the next couple of weeks are going to be very bad. There is no way Boris would have taken this action unless we had already passed the critical threshold, it's just not what he does. We may all be tired of it, but focus on March/AprilIndeed... In the south at least I think the lockdown may be too late to stop a bad situation. From what Wee Nic was saying in Edinburgh yesterday, the situation in Scotland is on a knife edge and that's with it being thought that we're "4 weeks behind" the South of England, so if it works this lockdown MAY have come in time to mitigate the worst strains on the NHS. That will also apply in some English regions... But the ones that are 4 weeks ahead? I don't know. I feel like NHS capacity might be screwed no matter how effective this lockdown is.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 09:48 AM

Netherlands: virologist, teacher Marjon Koopmans and ICU chief Diederik Gommers have received the Machiavelli award 2020, it is a prestigious award for public communication

the two are praised for all their hard work, research on coronavirus, and their many public appearances in talk shows the whole year

even more so, the jury of this award also applauds the two for going directly against the anti-maskers who continue to think of this pandemic of a ''hoax'' and criticize the choices of government (for example going for lockdowns)

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 09:53 AM

Netherlands:

The Netherlands could have started vaccinating people against coronavirus earlier but was not agile enough when decisions were taken in November, health minister Hugo de Jonge has said, ahead of a parliamentary debate on vaccination strategy.

The Netherlands had assumed the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, which does not require storage at extremely low temperatures, would be approved first, and that the vaccination programme could have been rolled out via family doctors.

However, the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine was the first to come on the market, and that is unsuitable for use in small-scale vaccination centres.

De Jonge told MPs in a briefing on Monday evening he could have asked local health boards to prepare for the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine once that had become apparent.

‘I can now conclude that we have proved insufficiently agile to be able to accommodate the changes that have occurred quickly enough,’ he said. ‘I could have asked the health boards earlier to prepare… because of their knowledge and expertise with large-scale vaccination campaigns.’

Symbolic

The government has been heavily criticised for its slow approach to the vaccination programme and many other EU countries started the process before the end of the year. De Jonge earlier described the rush to start vaccinating as ‘symbolic’.

De Jonge said he hoped that the vaccination programme in the Netherlands would have been completed by the third quarter of 2021, although much depends on deliveries, he said. ‘That determines the speed at which you can vaccinate, in both the Netherlands, and the rest of Europe.’

The first Dutch person to be vaccinated will be Sanna Elkadiri, a nursing home worker from Eindhoven, the AD said on Wednesday.

She will be vaccinated in Veghel, one of three locations where vaccinations will start on January 6.

Priorities

MPs are due to debate the new strategy on Tuesday with opposition MPs describing the government’s approach as chaotic and confusing.

Opposition MPs are also concerned about the way the government has responded to public pressure and will now vaccinate both acute care and nursing home staff before nursing home residents, as originally planned. Other groups, including teachers, police officers and local authority wardens have also said they should be considered priority cases.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/we-were-not-agile-enough-health-minister-says-of-dutch-vaccine-strategy/

first vaccination here tomorrow then

arista

05-01-2021, 10:12 AM

[Chancellor reveals £4.5bn of grants for businesses
- as GCSE and A-level exams scrapped]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55535546

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-live-news-latest-uk-updates-millions-told-to-stay-at-home-once-again-as-lockdowns-begin-in-england-and-scotland-12178867

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 10:37 AM

I think we're all worried and fed up.
But I refuse to let this stop me from living my life.
So later I will be going to Lidl, as I do every week.
And on friday I'm going back to work.

Ammi

05-01-2021, 10:39 AM

I think we're all worried and fed up.
But I refuse to let this stop me from living my life.
So later I will be going to Lidl, as I do every week.
And on friday I'm going back to work.

...Vanessa...:love:...

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 10:41 AM

...Vanessa...:love:...

I'm in the vulnerable category.
I'm supposed to be shielding, but I'm not going to.
Staying home everyday would drive me mad.
Working at least stops me from thinking too much.

Ammi

05-01-2021, 10:46 AM

I'm in the vulnerable category.
I'm supposed to be shielding, but I'm not going to.
Staying home everyday would drive me mad.
Working at least stops me from thinking too much.

...if you’re decision is not to shield, Vanessa, I know that you’ll be incredibly careful with all precautions...yeah, that is the upside of working, it is also a distraction which is hugely beneficial to mental well-being...

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 10:49 AM

...if you’re decision is not to shield, Vanessa, I know that you’ll be incredibly careful with all precautions...yeah, that is the upside of working, it is also a distraction which is hugely beneficial to mental well-being...

Yes, I'm always careful.
I wear my mask when I go out and at work.
We also have plexiglass screens.

Cherie

05-01-2021, 10:52 AM

Going ahead with Christmas mixing was crazy, but hey people had to play scrabble with Auntie Jane or it just wouldn't have been the same, what can you do

Cherie

05-01-2021, 10:53 AM

I think we're all worried and fed up.
But I refuse to let this stop me from living my life.
So later I will be going to Lidl, as I do every week.
And on friday I'm going back to work.

That's the spirit Ness

Ammi

05-01-2021, 10:54 AM

Yes, I'm always careful.
I wear my mask when I go out and at work.
We also have plexiglass screens.

...:love:...keep safe, my love...:hug:..

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 10:55 AM

Now they're saying we'll be in lockdown until march :skull:

AnnieK

05-01-2021, 10:57 AM

I wish I could work....I need something. Struggling with huge anxiety today :sad:

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 10:59 AM

I wish I could work....I need something. Struggling with huge anxiety today :sad:

Are you on furlough?

Cherie

05-01-2021, 11:00 AM

I wish I could work....I need something. Struggling with huge anxiety today :sad:

:sad:

you need to get out Annie, take Matthew and go for a walk or do an exercise class get the blood pumping

we have come this far, we can push through to Easter, 5 days into Jan already!

Ammi

05-01-2021, 11:01 AM

I wish I could work....I need something. Struggling with huge anxiety today :sad:

...:hug:...it’s really so difficult, Annie...as much as we can, all we can do with our thoughts is to try to focus them in the positives we didn’t have last year, with the vaccine being administered atm...:hug:..there is an end now to try to keep our heads on...

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 11:03 AM

:sad:

you need to get out Annie, take Matthew and go for a walk or do an exercise class get the blood pumping

we have come this far, we can push through to Easter, 5 days into Jan already!

Yes, we need to keep busy.
We have three months to go

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 11:04 AM

They're already selling Easter eggs.
So I might just buy one and pretend it's Easter :laugh:

user104658

05-01-2021, 11:11 AM

I wish I could work....I need something. Struggling with huge anxiety today :sad:

I agree with Cherie, Annie; getting your heart-rate up can really help even if it feels like it won't.

Also in terms of us miserable buggers on TiBB, I did find that when these threads were getting too tense with the Covid stuff back in Spring, it really does help to try to stay out of SD for a bit and just have a chat over in the "less serious" sections. This bunch are actually a good distraction when it's not all politics & health, but the threads in this section tend to go down the rabbit hole somewhat.

arista

05-01-2021, 11:12 AM

5PM Johnson is live with his
2 helpers again

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 11:13 AM

5PM Johnson is live with his
2 helpers again

Urgh, not again :fist:

arista

05-01-2021, 11:16 AM

Urgh, not again :fist:

Yes he should have stayed on longer 8PM last night

user104658

05-01-2021, 11:18 AM

his 2 helpers

https://i.imgur.com/FWwoxfD.png

AnnieK

05-01-2021, 11:31 AM

Thanks all....just had a massive wobble this morning....just feel like its never ending doom and gloom. I'll be fine though :love:

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 11:33 AM

Thanks all....just had a massive wobble this morning....just feel like its never ending doom and gloom. I'll be fine though :love:

We'll get through it. We just need to take it day by day. :hug:

Ammi

05-01-2021, 11:34 AM

Thanks all....just had a massive wobble this morning....just feel like its never ending doom and gloom. I'll be fine though :love:

...:hug:..it is ending, Annie...we’re just so emotionally drained when we have setbacks and unexpected things and having some wobbles is not a bad thing either so we can release and then refocus etc....what about the movie club, I was thinking...?....

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10979423#post10979423

Cherie

05-01-2021, 11:35 AM

I agree with Cherie, Annie; getting your heart-rate up can really help even if it feels like it won't.

Also in terms of us miserable buggers on TiBB, I did find that when these threads were getting too tense with the Covid stuff back in Spring, it really does help to try to stay out of SD for a bit and just have a chat over in the "less serious" sections. This bunch are actually a good distraction when it's not all politics & health, but the threads in this section tend to go down the rabbit hole somewhat.

agree somewhat with this, the never ending tide of doom and gloom is never good :laugh:

Cherie

05-01-2021, 11:36 AM

https://i.imgur.com/FWwoxfD.png

:joker:

bots

05-01-2021, 11:49 AM

Harry Potter star Jessie Cave says her baby son has tested positive for coronavirus.

The actress, best known for her role as Lavender Brown in the film adaptations of the hit books, welcomed baby boy Tenn in October after a "traumatic" delivery that left her son in the neonatal unit.

She writes on Instagram: "I watched the news about lockdown from an isolated room in hospital. Poor baby is covid positive. "He's okay and doing well but they are being vigilant and cautious, thankfully."

Cave and her partner, comedian Alfie Brown, are already parents to Donnie, five, and Margot, three.

joeysteele

05-01-2021, 12:32 PM

5PM Johnson is live with his
2 helpers again

Surely he could have organised this yesterday.

At least there'll be questions however.

Kazanne

05-01-2021, 12:34 PM

I think we're all worried and fed up.
But I refuse to let this stop me from living my life.
So later I will be going to Lidl, as I do every week.
And on friday I'm going back to work.

Good for you Vanessa,we have to deal with it as best we can, its an inconvenience for most of us ,but no good whinging lets just get through is as safely as we can.

Beso

05-01-2021, 12:40 PM

If its any consolation to you anniek, I was watching the news yesterday and people kept coming in and out of this one house, so I reported it to the police for breach of covid rules..

10 downing street, the cops are coming.

Zizu

05-01-2021, 01:14 PM

Surely he could have organised this yesterday.

At least there'll be questions however.

Hopefully they’ll clear up the confusion surrounding nurseries ...

I’ve heard of a couple of schools that are keeping their nursery class running exactly as normal whilst the rest of the school are following the lockdown guideline... I thought that it was ONLY private nurseries that were staying open for business as usual ..

Does anyone have thoughts or experiences to share on this matter ?

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Cherie

05-01-2021, 01:24 PM

Hopefully they’ll clear up the confusion surrounding nurseries ...

I’ve heard of a couple of schools that are keeping their nursery class running exactly as normal whilst the rest of the school are following the lockdown guideline... I thought that it was ONLY private nurseries that were staying open for business as usual ..

Does anyone have thoughts or experiences to share on this matter ?

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tbh I have enough going on in my own life to have any thoughts on nurseries! I am sure nurseries and the staff involved will work through it

joeysteele

05-01-2021, 01:53 PM

Hopefully they’ll clear up the confusion surrounding nurseries ...

I’ve heard of a couple of schools that are keeping their nursery class running exactly as normal whilst the rest of the school are following the lockdown guideline... I thought that it was ONLY private nurseries that were staying open for business as usual ..

Does anyone have thoughts or experiences to share on this matter ?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Yes, I've come across a fair few people including some of my own family who just can't understand that and are confused.

Perhaps it will be raised at the press conference.

Tom4784

05-01-2021, 02:16 PM

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 02:19 PM

It's such a half arsed lockdown, nothing will change and the idea of vaccinating millions of people a week is a pipe dream when we haven't even vaccinated a million in the weeks since the vaccine has been rolled out.

I think most of the vulnerable people could be vaccinated by spring.
Of course it will take time. I think 3/4 months at least.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 02:31 PM

here in Netherlands, likely March when 60+ are being vaccinated

but first starting tomorrow with care workers and hospital staff

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 02:52 PM

Larry the cat on twitter is cracking me up :joker:

Cherie

05-01-2021, 03:08 PM

With regard to vaccination, the Pfizer vaccine was only rolled out to a specific number of hubs that had the - 70 facilities, they also have to start off slowly to ensure that people aren’t getting untoward reactions and can then ramp up, the Oxford jab is just like a flu jab, and if they bring back retired healthcare staff to help administer it, get it int pharmacies etc, I think once it gets going it will be rolled out in numbers

Vanessa

05-01-2021, 03:13 PM

With regard to vaccination, the Pfizer vaccine was only rolled out to a specific number of hubs that had the - 70 facilities, they also have to start off slowly to ensure that people are getting untoward reactions and can then ramp up, the Oxford jab is just like a flu jab, and if they bring back retired healthcare staff to help administer it, I think once it gets going it will be rolled out in numbers

Yes, the Oxford vaccine is much easier to distribute.
With two vaccines I'm now feeling positive for the future.

Beso

05-01-2021, 04:04 PM

It's a bit confusing when the english cricket team can isolate then get tested before flying to Sri Lanka and all test negative..then a mere 2 days later one of them tests positive..!

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 04:51 PM

bots

05-01-2021, 04:54 PM

It's a bit confusing when the english cricket team can isolate then get tested before flying to Sri Lanka and all test negative..then a mere 2 days later one of them tests positive..!

it's very simple. The test shows positive when a person has a viral load that triggers the positive result in the test. It can take up to 10 days to build up the viral load to a point that would trigger a positive result, and during that time you could be passing it along. That's why they do a couple of tests several days apart

arista

05-01-2021, 04:59 PM

60,916 Today got Covid-19

830 Died today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,857

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847

76,305 Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:01 PM

60,916 Today got Covid-19

830 Died today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,857

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Good old Boris.

arista

05-01-2021, 05:02 PM

PM is Live Now

SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
CNN HD
LBC
Times Radio
Radio 5.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 05:02 PM

so far for the new lockdown then, also a huge fail since numbers aren't going down today over there

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:03 PM

so far for the new lockdown then, also a huge fail since numbers aren't going down today over there

Lockdown isn't even in operation yet, and it will take a while before we start seeing the numbers drop.

DouglasS

05-01-2021, 05:04 PM

1.3M vaccinations today, wow! Boris has done well

arista

05-01-2021, 05:04 PM

The PM claims over 1million
have had the Vaccination.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 05:05 PM

Lockdown isn't even in operation yet, and it will take a while before we start seeing the numbers drop.

no, this just means people are still ignoring the rules, and illegal partying and not enough staying home

arista

05-01-2021, 05:05 PM

1.3M vaccinations today, wow! Boris has done well

Yes but 12 weeks apart is Wrong
For Vaccination Part 2

arista

05-01-2021, 05:06 PM

no, this just means people are still ignoring the rules, and illegal partying and not enough staying home

Yes Some people
not all, Nicky

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:08 PM

The PM claims over 1million
have had the Vaccination.

How many times are folks going to fall for the numbers put out by this continually untruthful government?

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:12 PM

no, this just means people are still ignoring the rules, and illegal partying and not enough staying home

With the new evil England virus, folks don't need to be partying to transmit. Going about daily life is enough if not adhering to strict methods of prevention.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 05:12 PM

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/lockdown-effect-still-to-be-felt-as-cases-fall-but-positive-test-rate-rises/

Netherlands: no real effect of national lockdown so far in numbers, which still will end on 19th of January (and also no press conferences scheduled anymore here too)

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 05:14 PM

With the new evil England virus, folks don't need to be partying to transmit. Going about daily life is enough if not adhering to strict methods of prevention.

then wear your mask at all times, how difficult is that?

arista

05-01-2021, 05:14 PM

How many times are folks going to fall for the numbers put out by this continually untruthful government?

I think many places are doing Vaccinations.

bots

05-01-2021, 05:16 PM

arista

05-01-2021, 05:18 PM

[17:16

Question: BBC's Vicki Young asks how
people can have confidence in the PM's decision
making after on Sunday he said schools
should stay open and then the following day closed them?]

The PM said its good the BBC will be doing some remote learning.

arista

05-01-2021, 05:19 PM

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:19 PM

arista

05-01-2021, 05:20 PM

So he didn't answer the Q? Not like Boris.

Of course not

At Least Vallance and Whitty are with him.

arista

05-01-2021, 05:25 PM

[17:21
Question: ITV's Robert Peston asks what the chances
are that England will be out of lockdown by the middle of March.]

[The PM says "it all depends" on a number of things - including whether
the virus doesn't mutate unexpectedly again,
the vaccine roll-out can go as planned,
and people stick to the new lockdown rules.]

Josy

05-01-2021, 05:36 PM

no, this just means people are still ignoring the rules, and illegal partying and not enough staying homeThe lockdown in England hasnt even begun yet and Scotland only started yesterday we wont see any effects of it for weeks yet like Slim already pointed out

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 05:37 PM

The lockdown in England hasnt even begun yet and Scotland only started yesterday we wont see any effects of it for weeks yet like Slim already pointed out

ours has been ongoing for 3 weeks now, and only disappointment here from our government, numbers having not dropped enough

hospitalisations kinda less, but ICU's went a lot up which is more bad

Gstar

05-01-2021, 05:37 PM

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:39 PM

Basically slim

:suspect:

arista

05-01-2021, 05:39 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/05/10/37618714-9114075-image-m-67_1609840968078.jpg
At last all have masks on.

Josy

05-01-2021, 05:40 PM

ours has been ongoing for 3 weeks now, and only disappointment here from our government, numbers having not dropped enough

hospitalisations kinda less, but ICU's went a lot up which is more badWell that's up to your country to deal with.

You bad mouthing ours is becoming a bad habit that you need to stop asap.

Lee.

05-01-2021, 05:41 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/05/10/37618714-9114075-image-m-67_1609840968078.jpg
At last all have masks on.

Some plonker on the right there with their nose uncovered :rolleyes:

arista

05-01-2021, 05:42 PM

Some plonker on the right there with their nose uncovered :rolleyes:

Yes maybe he is tired
Early Morning photo on the D. M.

arista

05-01-2021, 05:44 PM

arista

05-01-2021, 05:44 PM

It has Concluded 17:43.

The World Health Org.
Pfizer The 2 Vaccines must be done within 21 days.

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bots

05-01-2021, 05:45 PM

:suspect:

slim peston

Gstar

05-01-2021, 05:46 PM

:suspect:

:laugh:

The Slim Reaper

05-01-2021, 05:46 PM

[17:38
Question: The Independent's Andy Woodcock
asks whether negative coronavirus tests will
be mandatory for foreign nationals arriving in the UK,
and if so, why it is taking so long?

Boris Johnson confirms "we will be bringing in measures
to ensure that we test people coming
into this country and prevent the virus from being readmitted".]

There hasn't been testing at airports throughout this whole thing. It's harder for me to get into the local pharmacy than it is to come in unchecked through the airports.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 05:57 PM

https://www.thelocal.de/20210105/merkel-pushes-for-tighter-movement-restrictions-in-german-covid-19-hotspots

Germany: Merkel pushes for tighter movement restrictions in covid-19 hotspots

The government and states have agreed to restrict travel for residents in Covid-19 hotspots to a 15 km radius, according to DPA.

Chancellor Angela Merkel and state leaders have been discussing measures such as local movement restrictions and tighter contact rules to limit the spread of coronavirus.

Now they've decided to restrict the radius of movement drastically for people who live in Covid-19 hotspots, DPA reported on Tuesday.

When a district hits an average of 200 coronavirus infections per 100,000 residents in seven days, those living there will only be allowed to travel a maximum of 15 km from their home, according to the draft agreement.

So far, this type of travel ban is only in place in the state of Saxony (since December 14th).

According to the draft decision paper, more than 70 districts in Germany have an incidence of over 200.

Chancellor Merkel had been pushing for this order to come into force in regions with an incidence rate of 100 infections per 100,000 people in seven days. If Merkel got her way, this rule would then apply to most of the country, effectively bringing regional travel to a complete standstill.

Shutdown to be extended – but how tough will it be?

The draft plan so far is for the current lockdown measures – which include the closure of non-essential shops, restaurants and leisure facilities, to be extended until at least the end of January. The measures were due to expire at the end of Sunday January 10th.

Here's what else is on the table:

- According to the Tagesspiegel, the government and states are considering tightening contact restrictions. It could mean that one household would be allowed to meet one other person from a different household.

So far, the rule is: one household plus one other household with a maximum of five people (under 14s not included).

- The government and states will also likely discuss curfews.

Bavarian state premier Markus Söder believes curfews are an effective means of dealing with high infection rates.

In Bavaria, there is a curfew between 9pm and 5am throughout the state, with exceptions for professional reasons or emergencies. The situation is similar in Baden-Württemberg and Saxony. In North Rhine-Westphalia there is no state-wide order, but there are curfews at the district level.

Curfews are also in place in other European countries, including France.

- Merkel and state leaders may also consider giving a 'stay at home' order to residents in hotspots in Germany to try and limit the spread. There are concerns over a spike in mid-January due to contact restrictions being eased at Christmas.

- The issue of schools and childcare will also be on the agenda. German officials have said that education is a priority and this should be the first sector to reopen after any shutdowns.

We'll report on the final decisions when they're announced.

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 06:03 PM

another good idea from Merkel there, that could be effective

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 06:05 PM

but okay i genuinely wish UK very very best of luck with their new lockdown

and i hope numbers will go down a lot, because 50k 60k daily new cases is just very depressing to see for me personally

Cherie

05-01-2021, 06:05 PM

Some plonker on the right there with their nose uncovered :rolleyes:

drives me bonkers when I see it, dont bloody wear the mask at all

Nicky91

05-01-2021, 06:10 PM

masks do work, but you can't rely on those alone

regional travel ban, curfews would also be a good one for Boris & his team to consider

as for south africa with their new strain, travel ban for that country for time being, and carefully sending a scientist with hazmat suit over to collect blood sample from someone who got that new variant, just to compare against original covid strain and uk strain, i mean it would be good to compare, just to see what you need to do for a possible different vaccine to treat people with that new strain

Gstar

05-01-2021, 06:20 PM

A negative covid test isn’t required when entering the UK and they’re still wondering why cases are going up

Josy

05-01-2021, 06:21 PM

drives me bonkers when I see it, dont bloody wear the mask at allOr the ones that wear 'chin masks'

Lee.

05-01-2021, 06:29 PM

Or the ones that wear 'chin masks'

Or the ones that pull them down to talk. :conf:

arista

05-01-2021, 06:31 PM

There hasn't been testing at airports throughout this whole thing. It's harder for me to get into the local pharmacy than it is to come in unchecked through the airports.

At least both
Heathrow & Gatwick
have Testing now

Kazanne

05-01-2021, 06:40 PM

Well that's up to your country to deal with.

You bad mouthing ours is becoming a bad habit that you need to stop asap.

Agreed ,we all have different ways of dealing with stuff ,plus we have different things we have to deal with.

Cherie

05-01-2021, 06:54 PM

Or the ones that wear 'chin masks'

Just why

Or the ones that pull them down to talk. :conf:

Omg, this old boy did that in the bakery last week to order his bread, I wanted to drop kick him through the plate glass

Cherie

05-01-2021, 06:54 PM

Joe Wicks is back...

arista

05-01-2021, 07:02 PM

1 in 50 in the UK have Covid-19

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Zizu

05-01-2021, 07:03 PM

the new variant is going to spread around the world quickly. The reality is that numbers across the world are going to spike. People saying lockdown is not bringing numbers down, it took 6 weeks before they started levelling off here in March and significantly longer before numbers started to come down. You don't flick a switch and the numbers drop

Just watching the South African health minister on Sky News ... their health system is teetering on collapse . Although their new variant doesn’t appear to be any more harmful/severe the ridiculously high numbers involved sadly equate to far worse outcomes ( deaths )

Even more worrying ( if that’s possible) is that doctors on the front line are seeing more and more positive cases in people who have already tested positive for older strains of Covid19 ...

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