Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[user104658]

The British SA and Brazilian strain of original covid, it’s like it’s a mystery where it originated :laugh:

To be fair, "original Covid" here isn't thought to be the one that initially spread in China, but could (probably) be more accurately called "Italian Covid" or at least European. Potentially a part of the reason that Asia has seen fewer cases is that they haven't actually been battling the same strain as Europe and the US. There are theories that the very first Wuhan strain was more severe, but spread less easily (and thus was possible to contain until it was wiped out).

[arista]

PM is Live


Also Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance

[arista]

He thinks 3 million Vaccinated
is good?



My Own view : But there is a not enough Vaccine
to go around the whole of the UK.


Whitty is saying Hospitals are full.
More Deaths, to rise next week.

[arista]

[17:04

All travel corridors closed
The announcement we were waiting for and
perhaps a more significant one than anticipated.
The PM says anyone arriving in the UK must have
had a negative COVID test result within 72 hours
to be granted entry, from 4am on Monday.]


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[AnnieK]

He thinks 3 million Vaccinated
is good?



But there is a not enough Vaccine
to go around the whole of the UK.


Whitty is saying Hospitals are full.
More Deaths, to rise next week.

He didn't say there wasn't enough vaccine to go round.

[arista]

He didn't say there wasn't enough vaccine to go round.


Sorry thats my View .


I have added that to my post.

[MTVN]

Arista the eternal pessimist

[arista]

[17:29

LBC's Ben Kentish asks why the government has not
provided details on the supply of vaccine, given
its promise of transparency. He also asks Professor Whitty
if he still believes things will be back to normal by Easter.]




I will Answer that Supply is Limited.

[AnnieK]

There isn't now but they are manufacturing it all the time so there will be by the time it gets to vaccinating the general populous once all the vulnerable groups have been done. That's my view

[arista]

Arista the eternal pessimist



No I am being honest


Like that LBC reporter said
Johnson is not being Transparent at all.

[AnnieK]

[17:29

LBC's Ben Kentish asks why the government has not
provided details on the supply of vaccine, given
its promise of transparency. He also asks Professor Whitty
if he still believes things will be back to normal by Easter.]




I will Answer that Supply is Limited.

Supply is limited currently

[arista]

There isn't now but they are manufacturing it all the time so there will be by the time it gets to vaccinating the general populous once all the vulnerable groups have been done. That's my view


I do hope you are right

[arista]

Supply is limited currently


Thank you.

[AnnieK]

I do hope you are right

So do I Arista :fc:

[arista]

PM has Concluded.

[bots]

The oxford vaccine can be manufactured very quickly. The others are a bit more involved. The 12 week window is there to allow for supply of vaccines. Also, the government cant control the speed of the manufacturers plants, and so far they are doing a pretty good job arranging for vaccinations which is no small task

[arista]

The oxford vaccine can be manufactured very quickly. The others are a bit more involved. The 12 week window is there to allow for supply of vaccines. Also, the government cant control the speed of the manufacturers plants, and so far they are doing a pretty good job arranging for vaccinations which is no small task



Of Course lets have the Numbers
of Vaccines that are ready for use.


Nothing wrong with that.

Johnson can tell us.

[Beso]

Why dont news readers have to wear masks when a guest is on..they are both in an indoor workspace.

[arista]

Why dont news readers have to wear masks when a guest is on..they are both in an indoor workspace.


Thats easy they far away from another person

[Beso]

Thats easy they far away from another person

Still indoors without an open window..

[Beso]

And the guest coughed loudly.

[arista]

And the guest coughed loudly.


He should have Covered his or her Gob.

[Beso]

He should have Covered his or her Gob.

Hers.


Worth getting covid for though.:laugh:

[arista]

The Best move From the Briefing
is all travel corridors closed from 4AM Monday



[All travel corridors will close from Monday,
meaning everyone arriving in the UK will have to self-isolate.
The tighter border restrictions announced
by Boris Johnson are aimed at protecting
the progress made with the rollout of vaccines
in the face of new coronavirus variants being found around the world.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-all-uk-travel-corridors-to-close-from-monday-in-face-of-new-coronavirus-variants-12188891


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55681861

[Marsh.]

Why dont news readers have to wear masks when a guest is on..they are both in an indoor workspace.

Sat at a distance and are probably regularly tested.

[bots]

the bbc also have perspex barriers between people too, i've seen that when camera angles have changed sometimes

[reece(:]

Travel corridors should've been closed forever ago...

[arista]

Travel corridors should've been closed forever ago...


Yes Like NZ did.

[arista]

A Report on Ch4HDNews
from Belfast , Northern Ireland


They have the highest Death rate, there.
Hospitals have been overloaded,
the worst week in the epidemic.

[arista]

[COVID-19: Supreme Court backs small firms
over business interruption insurance claims

Insurers are being urged to pay up without delay
after judges dismiss the industry's arguments
over the disputed claims.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supreme-court-backs-small-firms-over-business-interruption-insurance-claims-12188322

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55661702

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[Coronavirus: EU anger over reduced Pfizer vaccine deliveries

Several EU countries are receiving significantly
fewer doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine
than expected, after the US firm slowed shipments.
Six nations called the situation "unacceptable" and
warned it "decreases the credibility of the
vaccination process".
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia
and Estonia urged the EU to apply pressure on Pfizer-BioNTech.
Pfizer said the reduced deliveries are a temporary issue.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55666399

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erzkdj0VQAE8Bjm?format=jpg&name=small

I mean, a bit silly calling it a fortress when the thing you wanna keep outside, is inside :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I find it ****ing hilarious tbh, how many I have seen kicking off about countries closing their doors to us..who were screaming for every country to shut their doors to china at the start. Why are we different, if we have bred some superspreading variant? (as an aside, it also makes me question how long we should treat covid patients, if it is as claimed, that this mutation was bred from a person who was treated for months and months)

I mean, given the 'new' version has been about since September, its already in all countries now in reality so it seems pointless, but I fail to see how we should be treat any differently to any other country? If its fine to deny entry to china, its fine for places to do to us, surely?

[bots]

there is next to no travel between countries at the moment anyway, so it's just not worth worrying about. Also, with a lockdown any new virus coming into the country has basically nowhere to go

[Zizu]

Today’s key stats

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[arista]

I find it ****ing hilarious tbh, how many I have seen kicking off about countries closing their doors to us..who were screaming for every country to shut their doors to china at the start. Why are we different, if we have bred some superspreading variant? (as an aside, it also makes me question how long we should treat covid patients, if it is as claimed, that this mutation was bred from a person who was treated for months and months)

I mean, given the 'new' version has been about since September, its already in all countries now in reality so it seems pointless, but I fail to see how we should be treat any differently to any other country? If its fine to deny entry to china, its fine for places to do to us, surely?


I assume you mean the South African Variant?

But now we have the Worse Brazil Variant
which has 2 versions.

Younger Patients are getting that
staying longer in Hospital.

[arista]

1,299 have died today.

41,346 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,475

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,789


88,590 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/158B4/production/_116544288_dailystar.jpg

Not them starting with the summer holiday thing again :facepalm:

[Zizu]

1,299 have died today.

41,346 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,475

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,789


88,590 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Interesting to note we are still seeing a daily number of ventilated patients is still 10% of daily hospitals admissions ..

Guess that kinda shows the newish UK variant isn’t any more dangerous just far more contagious/transmissible ?


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[Zizu]

Not them starting with the summer holiday thing again :facepalm:


I agree .. people worrying about going on holidays when many of us just want to stay healthy


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[arista]

ITV1HD News & Ch4HDnews (on now)
show all Live Football matches still
hugging after a goal.
It gives out the wrong message
The teams claim they have 2 tests a week
Lucky them.


And in Guernsey
they can all get close in the pub, no mask needed
as they have No Covid

[Zizu]

ITV1HD News & Ch4HDnews (on now)
show all Live Football matches still
hugging after a goal.
It gives out the wrong message
The teams claim they have 2 tests a week
Lucky them.


And in Guernsey
they can all get close in the pub, no mask needed
as they have No Covid


It’s a funny one .. the pros say that after you’ve trained all week and then your team scores a goal it’s virtually impossible not to celebrate... they just need to tone things down somewhat.

I know that many don’t agree with football even being played but the other side of the coin is that millions of footie fans up and down the country ( all ages ) were badly effected when they suspended football last year ...


Also aren’t pro footballers especially Premier League ones contained in some kind of bubble ???

I do know they are being Covid tested very frequently




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[Samm]

cases seem to be falling more now then during the first wave?

[MTVN]

Interesting account to follow, there seemed so little to be concerned about a year ago today. Go to Wuhan, just don't touch dead birds

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[user104658]

Interesting account to follow, there seemed so little to be concerned about a year ago today. Go to Wuhan, just don't touch dead birds



1350371463375810560There was a huge panic about SARS in the early 2000's and it came to nothing, same with MERS outbreaks in the 2010's. There are also frequent outbreaks of (individually) far worse illnesses than Covid (ebola et al) in certain regions... So they probably just thought it was more of the same. In reality of course Covid is far less severe than all of those - but MASSIVELY more infectious... So was almost comically underestimated.

[bots]

cases seem to be falling more now then during the first wave?

because its a more infectious variant, that infects people quicker, when you split people up, it drops much quicker too, or at least, thats the theory

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[user104658]

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Wow such shock. I wonder if I can find my posts from last spring to do a "wet market scmet market" told-u-so :p.

[joeysteele]

I think I'd be more worried about falling onto the ground where players have just spat on.
Or cleared their nose on.

Than perhaps a hug.
After matches they head straight to showers usually.

Look how close they get just playing the game.
They can't social distance and play football.
So a cough or sneeze could throw the virus to them, never mind hugs.

In the pressure of playing matches where points are vital.
Games where goals maybe are few and one can win a match.
Then adrenaline takes over and celebrating is almost unavoidable.

Perhaps, unfortunately at present, because you can't wear masks and play and cannot social distance, then maybe football ought not to be played at the moment at all.

[arista]

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[arista]

I think I'd be more worried about falling onto the ground where players have just spat on.
Or cleared their nose on.

Than perhaps a hug.
After matches they head straight to showers usually.

Look how close they get just playing the game.
They can't social distance and play football.
So a cough or sneeze could throw the virus to them, never mind hugs.

In the pressure of playing matches where points are vital.
Games where goals maybe are few and one can win a match.
Then adrenaline takes over and celebrating is almost unavoidable.

Perhaps, unfortunately at present, because you can't wear masks and play and cannot social distance, then maybe football ought not to be played at the moment at all.


But Joey that would upset millions
and Novo, & MTVN.


They need to learn to Not Hug.
It will take some time.

[Nicky91]

I think I'd be more worried about falling onto the ground where players have just spat on.
Or cleared their nose on.

Than perhaps a hug.
After matches they head straight to showers usually.

Look how close they get just playing the game.
They can't social distance and play football.
So a cough or sneeze could throw the virus to them, never mind hugs.

In the pressure of playing matches where points are vital.
Games where goals maybe are few and one can win a match.
Then adrenaline takes over and celebrating is almost unavoidable.

Perhaps, unfortunately at present, because you can't wear masks and play and cannot social distance, then maybe football ought not to be played at the moment at all.

there is no hugging at our eredivisie, here the 'football bubbles' do kinda work well, and if there is a positive test, they immediately do self-isolate

and if too many cases the match will just be delayed to another day, but most teams want to keep playing, even if they need to select several youth players instead

[joeysteele]

But Joey that would upset millions
and Novo, & MTVN.


They need to learn to Not Hug.
It will take some time.

It would upset me too arista.

However, no masks no social distancing for over 2 hours.
I can't see how hugs in that scenario are going to worsen things.

If hugging is considered dangerous.
Then so should be the walls made for free kicks, all tackles, running close marking players.

Not a facecovering in sight either.

Referee charging up, in and out too.

Makes no sense to me, sorry.

[arista]

It would upset me too arista.

However, no masks no social distancing for over 2 hours.
I can't see how hugs in that scenario are going to worsen things.

If hugging is considered dangerous.
Then so should be the walls made for free kicks, all tackles, running close marking players.

Not a facecovering in sight either.

Referee charging up, in and out too.

Makes no sense to me, sorry.


This makes sense:
As they pay for 2 Tests a week
they can carry on.


All they need to learn is no hugging.

[joeysteele]

This makes sense:
As they pay for 2 Tests a week
they can carry on.


All they need to learn is no hugging.

Well if they're tested twice a week, all always negative.
There's no issue, or shouldn't be, across the board then.

[Zizu]

I think I'd be more worried about falling onto the ground where players have just spat on.
Or cleared their nose on.

Than perhaps a hug.
After matches they head straight to showers usually.

Look how close they get just playing the game.
They can't social distance and play football.
So a cough or sneeze could throw the virus to them, never mind hugs.

In the pressure of playing matches where points are vital.
Games where goals maybe are few and one can win a match.
Then adrenaline takes over and celebrating is almost unavoidable.

Perhaps, unfortunately at present, because you can't wear masks and play and cannot social distance, then maybe football ought not to be played at the moment at all.



They did that and it effected the moods/mindsets of millions rather badly young kids and adults alike ... it’s the most watched /supported sport /pastime around- millions simply live for football .


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[arista]

Well if they're tested twice a week, all always negative.
There's no issue, or shouldn't be, across the board then.



All teams are paying extra to have Covid Tests
twice a week.
That's how they catch a team player that has picked it up.

[arista]

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[arista]

Sweden Joins my List.

Nations Above 10,000 Covid-19 deaths.



395,851 USA deaths
209,296 Brazil deaths
152,274 India deaths
140,241 Mexico deaths
88,747 United Kingdom deaths
81,800 Italy deaths
70,093 France deaths
64,601 Russia deaths
56,803 Iran deaths
53,314 Spain deaths
48,256 Colombia deaths
46,674 Germany deaths
45,295 Argentina deaths
38,654 Peru deaths
36,851 South Africa deaths
33,355 Poland deaths
25,987 Indonesia deaths
23,832 Turkey deaths
21,767 Ukraine deaths
20,396 Belgium deaths
17,887 Canada deaths
17,435 Chile deaths
17,164 Romania deaths
14,338 Czechia deaths
14,316 Ecuador deaths
13,066 Netherlands deaths
12,935 Iraq deaths
11,341 Hungary deaths
10,951 Pakistan deaths
10,323 Sweden deaths





https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

5.622 new cases

19 new hospitalisations (2.384 in total)

179 new corona patients at the ER

38 new ICU patients (676 in total)

43 new deaths (don't need to mention the total amount since you already see that now arista in your list)

[arista]

38,598 Have caught Covid-19

671 have Died.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,475

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,789

89,261 total UK Deaths today


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[MTVN]

Going down fast now!

[Zizu]

Going down fast now!



Sat /Sunday/ Monday figures are always lower though

I’d like to see a comparison between today’s stats and last Sunday’s tbh


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[Zizu]

54,940 have caught Covid-19

563 have died today
81,431 Total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
32,294

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,098


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Think these are last Sunday’s stats .. says 10th Jan anyways ..

Infections down massively on the week but sadly as expected huge ( weekly) increases of around 25% for the other three key stats .

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[arista]

Think these are last Sunday’s stats .. says 10th Jan anyways ..

Infections down massively on the week but sadly as expected huge ( weekly) increases of around 25% for the other three key stats .

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The link says 17th

Click each section

[joeysteele]

Weekend figures don't include all the 4 UK Nations figures.

[Scarlett.]

Seems a bit early to be talking about lifting the lockdown in March, this new strain needs more caution or we're gonna end up back where we were last month

[Zizu]

The link says 17th



Click each section



No ... I quoted last weeks to compare to yours from today
:)


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[Zizu]

Seems a bit early to be talking about lifting the lockdown in March, this new strain needs more caution or we're gonna end up back where we were last month



I just worry that we seemed to be just managing the original strain for 9 or 10 months now suddenly we have the UK , SA and two Brazilian ones all mutating slightly and all in the space of a few weeks .

I worry things are gonna get far worse for some time ...


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[arista]

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[arista]

Jeremy Vine has said he wants to
know who has not been
Vaccinated, if he is sitting in a restaurant.


Maybe later when more have been Vaccinated
I would say.

[bots]

well, i can only speak for myself, but once i get vaccinated, i wont give a crap if others are vaccinated or not

[Tom4784]

If we go out of lockdown too early, we'll only head back into it a couple of months or a few weeks later.

Sadly though, I think the lockdown will break down rapidly soon enough, people seemed to be paying heed to it at first but now... People just don't seem to care, but then this happened with the other lockdowns too.

[Cherie]

Jeremy Vine has said he wants to
know who has not been
Vaccinated, if he is sitting in a restaurant.


Maybe later when more have been Vaccinated
I would say.

what with a flashing sign? that is a bit ridiculous, if he is vaccinated he only needs to concern himself with that surely

that sounds like he wants it made mandatory?

[Smithy]

Schools apparently won’t be going back until after Easter now :eyes:

[Tom4784]

Schools apparently won’t be going back until after Easter now :eyes:

The right decision, schools around here were going down left right and centre with classes and sometimes whole years being sent home before Christmas. It's just not safe, schools should remain closed for as long as needs be.

[arista]

Yes Joey
The Cock

Is live at 5PM


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LBC Live
Radio 5 Live
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[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
The Cock

Is live at 5PM

Oh groan and more groans..
Thank you arista, really nice of you to remind me of this.:joker:

[arista]

599 have Died today

37,535 Today caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,475

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,789

89,860 Total deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[AnnieK]

599 have Died today

37,535 Today caught Covid-19

I hate Monday's figures, I always feel quite hopeful then remember that tomorrow will shoot up again :sad:

[arista]

I hate Monday's figures, I always feel quite hopeful then remember that tomorrow will shoot up again :sad:


Yes they do
it is sad.

[arista]

Live 10 Downing St.

Professor Stephen Powis is national medical director for England, in the National Health Service,
Dr. Susan Hopkins Test and Trace



And the Health Secretary.

[arista]

I hope the Press People Nail the Cock.


A lady phoned LBC an hour ago or so,
she is in charge of 200 Carer workers
that are moving around visiting ill folks homes
but none of them can get a test?

[Nicky91]

I hope the Press People Nail the Cock.


A lady phone LBC an hour ago
she is in charge of 200 Carer workers
that are moving around visiting ill folks homes
but none of them can get a test?

if the media knows it all better, than maybe they should speak up what regulations they want

but they do lack the expertise, what health minister Hancock has, so they better shut it and listen to government their advice, rules

[joeysteele]

Actually, I have to, to be fair say I'm impressed with Hancock in this press conference.

I liked his heartfelt and I believe it was, comments on the losses of lives.

So to be fair, I'm finding what he says interesting.
I've always kind of liked Matt Hancock.
Maybe he has had an enlightening moment but he's done a good press conference here.

[arista]

[17:18
Hugh Pym from the BBC alludes to reports
of regional variations in the vaccine and asks:
what do you say to local teams who say they
can't get a hold of enough doses?
Matt Hancock says: "You're right, there are parts of
the country that have made significant progress
and gone a bit faster than the average - what
we are doing now is making sure that whilst
they will be able to move into the next group
, we are prioritising the supply of the vaccine
into those parts of the country that need to
complete the over 80s but we don't want to stop
the areas that have effectively done that job already."

"The critical thing is that everyone can get it,"
he says, adding: "The NHS has been able to deliver
the amount of supply that we have."]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-live-news-latest-uk-updates-hospitals-to-discharge-covid-19-patients-into-care-homes-without-re-testing-as-uk-reports-highest-increase-in-deaths-12184764

[arista]

Not enough Press
It concluded at 5:32PM

[Zizu]

599 have Died today

37,535 Today caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,475

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,789

89,860 Total deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Here are last Monday’s figures to compare ..

11/1/21
46,169 got Covid-19

529 died today
81,960 Total UK Deaths

Patients in hospital
Latest available
32,294

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,098





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[Nicky91]

hmm a lot less now then, not saying a lot

but at least nice the monday figures seem to be going down

[arista]

AM today West Ham Tube was overloaded
with Construction Workers,

The Gov. has asked them to stagger the start time
or they may have to close Building Sites.

BBC1 London news

[arista]

The Health Secretary
has been altered,
told to Self Isolate.

[joeysteele]

Yes again.
I wish him well, he did a good press conference yesterday.

More conviction and a hint of real compassion too.

[Nicky91]

Germany: lockdown has officially as of now been extended to 15th of February

[Beso]

I'm hearing a lot of stories of one person getting it within a household and the rest of the family constantly testing negative...is this a good sign.

[Beso]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-deaths-norway-intl/index.html

A bad sign?

[Zizu]

I'm hearing a lot of stories of one person getting it within a household and the rest of the family constantly testing negative...is this a good sign.



Hopefully... we’ve just heard of whole families getting it until your snippet


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[Ammi]

...oh I didn’t realise this would follow on from another news story...(...above..)..that’s good as it’s connected...

Norway says no direct link between Pfizer COVID vaccine and 33 elderly deaths...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/norway-coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-latest-203705535.html

[bots]

The people being vaccinated at the moment are very vulnerable. Statistically, when millions are being vaccinated, some will die. So far, the number of deaths is tiny compared to the number vaccinated. Already, we have 4 million vulnerable people that wont require hospital treatment from covid, and that holds true even after the first jab. Personally, i think it's marvelous

[Vicky.]

I'm hearing a lot of stories of one person getting it within a household and the rest of the family constantly testing negative...is this a good sign.

Thats interesting, but the polar opposite of our house! We got it early on, me and gav were quite bad with it..it was like a really intense flu, however it only lasted 2 days (besides my current 'long covid' thats going strong! Luckily its just a bit of a cough that refuses to piss off though, so not too bad. Except now I dont dare go out at all incase I cough as people look at me like a bomb :( Tis odd having so many terrified of you ). So worse than flu, but much shorter. The kids got it, but showed not one symptom. Loads of people I know have had one or two members quite ill, but if the rest of the house get tested they tended to show positive despite no illness, so its certainly a welcome change of that kind of silent spreading seems to be stopping. Thats always been a huge concern of mine with this, that is a huge percentage do not have any clue theres anything wrong with them, it makes it even harder to try and control. Doesn't help matters that round here, if you don't have the 'main symptoms', you cant get a test so people are having to actively lie to get one in the first place, then it turns out they were right to lie as they are a walking infection. I know some areas are testing anyone who wants one now..seems a better plan when its widely acknowledged that loads dont show symtoms. In theory it could blaze through households/workplaces without anyone ever knowing about it :S

[Vicky.]

The people being vaccinated at the moment are very vulnerable. Statistically, when millions are being vaccinated, some will die. So far, the number of deaths is tiny compared to the number vaccinated. Already, we have 4 million vulnerable people that wont require hospital treatment from covid, and that holds true even after the first jab. Personally, i think it's marvelous

Of course. More will be saved by the vaccine than harmed by it. It seems awful to 'write off' some deaths, but it IS for the 'greater good' so to speak. When the pfizer one was first approved, I remember some big fuss being made about how it wasnt safe as someone had had anaphalactic shock or something from it, and thinking..well thats 'normal' surely? Its widely known some will react badly to some vaccines. THAT kind of thing being constantly spread around could potentially affect uptake..will be like the autism/MMR thing all over again. The media really need to reign it in, I know they make more money from fear, but they have behaved so ****ing irresponsibly through all this..the way they are repeating the few rare cases of bad reactions or whatever, reminds me of how obsessed they were with the tiny amounts of death in younger people. Same few over and over and over again.

Ontop of the expectation of bad reactions, we are talking about very frail elderly people. Who in reality, could very easily have been 'due' to die anyway. Again not a nice way to talk about people, but its true.

The only time adverse reactions should worry people, is if the bad reactions were significantly higher than we would generally expect. And it appears they are not.

[DouglasS]

...oh I didn’t realise this would follow on from another news story...(...above..)..that’s good as it’s connected...

Norway says no direct link between Pfizer COVID vaccine and 33 elderly deaths...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/norway-coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-latest-203705535.html

People die everyday... if the entire population was vaccinated today, people would still be dying... the vaccine is not a cure for death...

We’ve vaccinated almost all over 80s, there will still be a lot of people dying of old age... I can totally see families and the media running with this though that the vaccine caused their death, when in reality it was a 100 year old ill person being vaccinated

[Nicky91]

...oh I didn’t realise this would follow on from another news story...(...above..)..that’s good as it’s connected...

Norway says no direct link between Pfizer COVID vaccine and 33 elderly deaths...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/norway-coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-latest-203705535.html

yeah and also pretty disgusting to use deaths for their own anti-vaccine propaganda

those 33 elderly deaths could easily been regular flu or pneumonia now since its winter


btw considering you bring up Norway, i got a norwegian friend who works at pharmacy, he said they might think about beginning with doing vaccinations too

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tomorrow urgent press conference, just for health minister Hugo de Jonge to announce the curfew (which is necessary bc of the more rapidly spreading british mutation of covid-19

many mayors still are against this curfew, but tonight they will have one final meeting to come to an agreement on the curfew

[Beso]

...oh I didn’t realise this would follow on from another news story...(...above..)..that’s good as it’s connected...

Norway says no direct link between Pfizer COVID vaccine and 33 elderly deaths...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/norway-coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-latest-203705535.html



It's a brave statement to make when theh are still gathering evidence and the actual story says that adverse effects to the injection could be the cause of death

It all needs serious consideration that's for sure.

[Vicky.]

Ooh the 'should the vaccine be mandatory' question on the yahoo link is an interesting one to think about. I think I would swing to no, as going down a 'we can force people into medical stuff' is a VERY bad road to go down. But if the uptake is low, I wonder how many would support it being mandatory at that stage..infact, it seems a lot think it should be mandatory anyway.

[Beso]

Well we all have to have a TB jab at school so why shouldn't it be mandatory?

[Vicky.]

Well we all have to have a TB jab at school so why shouldn't it be mandatory?

TB is not mandatory

They didn't even do it at all at my stepdaughters school. And I remember years back from getting mine (when everyone would punch me in the arm so my arm oozed aeful green **** for ages and my scar from it is horrendous :bored: ) being extremely jealous of the kids who opted out of it/their parents opted out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/52565764

No vaccines mandatory currently.

[arista]

[Home Office admits passengers without
correct Covid paperwork are fined £500 then
simply waved through gates into UK
and 'told to quarantine' - as Heathrow Border Force
penalise 30 arrivals who failed to show negative test]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9162883/Coronavirus-UK-Border-Force-fine-30-arrivals-500-not-having-negative-Covid-test.html

[bots]

The Cock is isolating after getting an app alert

[arista]

The Cock is isolating after getting an app alert

Yes come onto contact someone with it.

[arista]

'does not have a nap' during the day,
Downing Street says
Downing Street rejected suggestions the
PM sometimes makes time in his diary
for a "power" nap in order to refresh himself.]

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-does-not-have-a-nap-during-the-day-downing-street-says-12192453

[bots]

nothing wrong with a power nap. I would suggest he takes some as it may stop him making more stupid decisions

[arista]

33,335 Caught Covid-19

1,610 Deaths Today

91,470 Total Deaths


Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,946

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,916


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Cases are going right down.
Deaths are still high.

[arista]

Cases are going right down.
Deaths are still high.


Yes.

[Beso]

TB is not mandatory

They didn't even do it at all at my stepdaughters school. And I remember years back from getting mine (when everyone would punch me in the arm so my arm oozed aeful green **** for ages and my scar from it is horrendous :bored: ) being extremely jealous of the kids who opted out of it/their parents opted out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/52565764

No vaccines mandatory currently.



Well it was mandatory in my day, as was some wierd old doctor cupping your balls and asking you to cough as you stood in your yfronts in front of the other kids awaiting their turn.

[user104658]

TB is not mandatory

They didn't even do it at all at my stepdaughters school. And I remember years back from getting mine (when everyone would punch me in the arm so my arm oozed aeful green **** for ages and my scar from it is horrendous :bored: ) being extremely jealous of the kids who opted out of it/their parents opted out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/52565764

No vaccines mandatory currently.

I was part of a period of time/area where they gave the TB vaccine to babies, clearly as some sort of bloody experiment WHICH THEY STOPPED so not a good one :umm2:... clearly the side effect was making handsome geniuses... :think:...

Anyway,

I was one of the only kids at my school who didn't get it as a teenager as I'd already had it. Everyone was wel jel.

[bots]

i got my bcg at school. Interestingly, they are testing bcg at the moment to see if it provides some protection from covid

[user104658]

i got my bcg at school. Interestingly, they are testing bcg at the moment to see if it provides some protection from covid

Are they still doing that? I would have thought it's slightly moot now that actual covid vaccines exist.

Wasn't the theory partly down to immigrant communities being worse affected, and being less likely to have had the BCG?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/19/16/38206624-0-image-m-5_1611073486773.jpg

[bots]

more hypocrisy ......

A group of politicians drank alcohol on Welsh Parliament premises days after a ban on serving it in pubs took effect.

Conservative Senedd leader Paul Davies, Darren Millar and Nick Ramsay were seen drinking together in early December.

Senedd authorities say they are investigating an "incident" which "may have been contrary to public health regulations".

BBC Wales has been told Labour Senedd member Alun Davies was involved. He and two of the Tories deny breaking rules.

It is understood he has been suspended from the Senedd's Labour group.

"A member has been suspended from the privileges of Senedd Labour Group membership while an investigation takes place into this alleged incident," a spokesman for the group said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55720106

[Zizu]

Cases are going right down.

Deaths are still high.



On one hand it’s reassuring to see the new infections falling BUT what happens when they release the masses from lockdown ... surely the virus will just go crazy again ??

They are likely to do something daft again now the media are asking when restrictions will be lifted ..


The media make me sick .... always trying to ‘make’ a story or a headline.

It’s only a few weeks ago they were pressuring the government to close schools .. now I’m hearing murmurs that they want to know when they schools will be reopened again ..

The government can never please everyone


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[Beso]

Just watching a report on the bbc about the nurses who call the families to update them on the conditions of thier loved ones....FU COVID!

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsITcBGVEAABuq-?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsITdb7VgAwEiP0?format=jpg&name=small

[thesheriff443]

Just watching a report on the bbc about the nurses who call the families to update them on the conditions of thier loved ones....FU COVID!

We’re is that

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsITdgHVcAAY-tI?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

Israel have data on 400,000 people ( 200,000 vaccinated and a separate 200,000 unvaccinated ) and they are certain that our decision to delay the second vaccine is very concerning.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-real-world-analysis-of-vaccine-in-israel-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/19/21/38220172-0-image-a-4_1611093393022.jpg

[joeysteele]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/19/21/38220172-0-image-a-4_1611093393022.jpg

This is likely more than possible.
These new measures were put in place with reviews bin made to assess how all is going, maybe still a possible length to end of March however.

So since Easter Sunday is 4th of April.
It's possible the lockdown could just be being lifted then

[Cherie]

Israel have data on 400,000 people ( 200,000 vaccinated and a separate 200,000 unvaccinated ) and they are certain that our decision to delay the second vaccine is very concerning.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-real-world-analysis-of-vaccine-in-israel-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751


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why are they that bothered? maybe concentrate on their own vaccination programme :shrug: and maybe in producing a vaccine themselves?

[Cherie]

This is likely more than possible.
These new measures were put in place with reviews bin made to assess how all is going, maybe still a possible length to end of March however.

So since Easter Sunday is 4th of April.
It's possible the lockdown could just be being lifted then

I think it was always likely to be Easter, and even then it will be going back into Tiers rather than any full easing

[Nicky91]

why are they that bothered? maybe concentrate on their own vaccination programme :shrug: and maybe in producing a vaccine themselves?

not everyone can create their own vaccine

[Cherie]

not everyone can create their own vaccine

yes I know that! but Zizu seems to be putting alot of credence to these scientists, I think it is more to do with 'winning the vaccination race' than anything else

[joeysteele]

I think it was always likely to be Easter, and even then it will be going back into Tiers rather than any full easing

I agree Cherie.

Plus as you say I think the tiers are around for a fair while yet too.

[Zizu]

why are they that bothered? maybe concentrate on their own vaccination programme :shrug: and maybe in producing a vaccine themselves?



Because until they tested 200,000 vaccinated people then compared their data to 200,000 unvaccinated people there wasn’t a huge scale ‘picture‘ of things .

It also apparently showed the massive decline in antibodies a few weeks after the first dose .. . quickly dropping to 32% effectiveness against the virus unless the second one is given as initially prescribed ( 21 days after the first )
Our people were assuming it would stay in the 90% area for 12 weeks !!

We may see an early response from the government on this very matter , I think


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[Cherie]

Because until they tested 200,000 vaccinated people then compared their data to 200,000 unvaccinated people there wasn’t a huge scale ‘picture‘ of things .

It also apparently showed the massive decline in antibodies a few weeks after the first dose .. . quickly dropping to 32% effectiveness against the virus unless the second one is given as initially prescribed ( 21 days after the first )
Our people were assuming it would stay in the 90% area for 12 weeks !!

We may see an early response from the government on this very matter , I think


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I would imagine 'our people' are tracking the data as well, anyhow lets see how it plays out, the things you find to worry about are limitless :laugh:

[user104658]

why are they that bothered? maybe concentrate on their own vaccination programme :shrug: and maybe in producing a vaccine themselves?

To be fair, they weren't studying it to comment on the UK strategy, they were just studying the real-world drop in infection rates 14 days after one dose, and found 33% reduction where the data that the UK decision was based on was that there was an 85+% reduction after one dose.

However... the article says "on day 14" it was 33% whereas the UK data measured the effect "between 14 and 21 days" do the data comparison is a bit iffy... 33% on day 14 is only JUST inside the window that immunity is expected at all.

The data @ 21 days would be much more useful.

[Cherie]

To be fair, they weren't studying it to comment on the UK strategy, they were just studying the real-world drop in infection rates 14 days after one dose, and found 33% reduction where the data that the UK decision was based on was that there was an 85+% reduction after one dose.

However... the article says "on day 14" it was 33% whereas the UK data measured the effect "between 14 and 21 days" do the data comparison is a bit iffy... 33% on day 14 is only JUST inside the window that immunity is expected at all.

The data @ 21 days would be much more useful.

I thought they said anyone vaccinated would have to wait 21 days before immunity was triggered so checking at 14 days seems a bit odd

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210119/germany-not-ruling-out-border-checks-over-virus-variants

Germany: might be placing military and doctors at the border, routine control for virus variants (south african and british)



good idea, i luv my nation :clap1:

[bots]

i always thought any vaccine showing a 90%+ protection was picking their test cases very carefully to get that result. The real world just doesn't work that way. So, when millions are given it, the protection rate can only really go in 1 direction. Peoples should only be concerned that it stops hospitalisation, thats the only thing that matters. I feel the public is yet again being manipulated

[Zizu]

I would imagine 'our people' are tracking the data as well, anyhow lets see how it plays out, the things you find to worry about are limitless :laugh:



I do my best :)

Forewarned is well you know ...


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[Zizu]

I thought they said anyone vaccinated would have to wait 21 days before immunity was triggered so checking at 14 days seems a bit odd



Not really .. if they’re testing 400,000 people why start 21 days after just because it’s the suggested optimum time .. it seems kinda obvious to start earlier to see what kind of protection you have after 14 days ..


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[Cherie]

Not really .. if they’re testing 400,000 people why start 21 days after just because it’s the suggested optimum time .. it seems kinda obvious to start earlier to see what kind of protection you have after 14 days ..


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but if people are advised that the immune system wont trigger the full response until 21 days then the data is flawed? anyhow not getting into it, it is what it is

[Nicky91]

RTL Aktuell had another corona-special last night (watched by 3.22 million people in Germany)

few reactions to extending the lockdown, professor doctor Hendrik Streeck (who is their chief virologist) said numbers are going down, you can see difference with or without lockdown, but this is why he applauds Merkel and region leaders for extending it even further to 15th of February, but the corona mutations (especially british variant still quite unknown, and what they heard about south african variant, no cases atm there of that one, unknown and very dangerous, so this is why they want border checks to prevent people who might carry one of those mutated strains from entering the country)


people's reactions there all are quite understanding, disappointed of course but unlike in some other countries (rubbish netherlands for example) majority of german public knows lockdowns, curfews, vaccinating and good hygiene are whats best for the country

[Zizu]

but if people are advised that the immune system wont trigger the full response until 21 days then the data is flawed? anyhow not getting into it, it is what it is



Well they have the data from 14 days ONWARDS so that doesn’t make all the data from 21 days irrelevant it just ‘shows’ the picture from before the suggested time ( 21 days).



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[user104658]

I thought they said anyone vaccinated would have to wait 21 days before immunity was triggered so checking at 14 days seems a bit odd

"Up to" 21 days (between 14 and 21 basically) but yeah that's why I think the data at 21 days+ is important, but at 14 days... not really all that meaningful? In a positive sense it confirms that immunity is indeed being triggered at 14 days in many people in a community (non-test-conditions) setting which is a great sign. It doesn't really predict at all what the picture will be at 21 days... nor does the article really even explain what's supposedly concerning. It basically says;

"Umm the UK tests said 85%+ would be immune at 21 days, but we just found out that only 33% are immune at 14 days!!"

:think: ... ... s... so what?

[Vanessa]

The vaccine is there to stop people getting hospitalised from covid.
So it's a good thing, because cases here in the UK are way too high.

[arista]

The vaccine is there to stop people getting hospitalised from covid.
So it's a good thing, because cases here in the UK are way too high.


Yes the Vaccine is now in Low stock
because Pfizer, are adjusting Production in Belgium
due to high Worldwide demand.

The OxfordAstraZenneca Vaccine
also not enough made, yet.

[Cherie]

Yes the Vaccine is now in Low stock
because Pfizer, are adjusting Production in Belgium
due to high Worldwide demand.

The OxfordAstraZenneca Vaccine
also not enough made, yet.

Isn't Moderna online now as well?

[bots]

Isn't Moderna online now as well?

yes it is, and it has a different default interval requirement to pfizer :laugh:

[Nicky91]

and Janssen vaccine (from Leiden) is also made available in few months from now (for EU countries first) but could also made available globally, if there is lots of interest of course

they recently said they are stepping up production now

[arista]

Isn't Moderna online now as well?


[U.K. Clears Moderna’s Vaccine to Add Third Covid-19 Shot]



Yes but it's not yet in the Country

[Zizu]

Patrick Vallance just confirmed that there’s little to no cover from the vaccine until day TEN ... and he’s not fully informed on the trials done by Israel but he’s expecting to get their data over the coming weeks ..

He did say that the government stated rate of 89% was based on clinical trials but when you start dealing with ‘real world’ situation then things aren’t quite as perfect ..


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[AnnieK]

Patrick Vallance just confirmed that there’s little to no cover from the vaccine until day TEN ... and he’s not fully informed on the trials done by Israel but he’s expecting to get their data over the coming weeks ..

He did say that the government stated rate of 89% was based on clinical trials but when you start dealing with ‘real world’ situation then things aren’t quite as perfect ..


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They've always said you don't get protected immediately :shrug:

[bots]

it takes time for your body to make anti bodies, the 2nd jab gives your system another jolt which results in more anti bodies being produced. Nothing is instant, but its not the same for everyone either, some will produce anti bodies quicker than others. Because the minimum window for the 2nd jab is 3 weeks, then it follows that during that 3 week period your body will be busy manufacturing

[user104658]

They've always said you don't get protected immediately :shrug:

Believing that any vaccine works immediately requires a complete misunderstanding of what a vaccine is, what it does, and how it works :shrug:.

[Zizu]

They've always said you don't get protected immediately :shrug:



Obviously .. but nobody has put a time / figure on WHEN you will have SOME immunity ie 10 seconds onwards ..


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[arista]

[Nine Met Police officers have been fined
for breaching lockdown rules to meet at
a cafe while on duty.

Pictures emerged online showing the officers,
from the South East Basic Command Unit,
eating at The Chef House Kitchen Cafe,
Greenwich, on 9 January.]

[All nine officers have been issued
with a £200 fixed penalty notice.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55730459

[user104658]

Obviously .. but nobody has put a time / figure on WHEN you will have SOME immunity ie 10 seconds onwards ..


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They can't as it'll be different for everyone, all people are not biologically identical. If you want a VERY loose rule of thumb; you're unlikely to see anything happening before 3/4 days, but beyond that, it can take several weeks to develop a good level of antibodies. 3 weeks is a decent testing point. Under 2 weeks is pretty pointless. The study above is bang-on 14 days so doesn't really paint a very reliable picture... I'd rather see their figures at 21 days.

[arista]

Today
1,820 have Died

38,950 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
39,068

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,947

93,290Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

What’s going on with the deaths and when did they move the goalposts to 60 days after a covid test and why :worry:

[Zizu]

What’s going on with the deaths and when did they move the goalposts to 60 days after a covid test and why :worry:



Let me do all the worrying :)


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[arista]

Today
1,820 have Died

38,950 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
39,068

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,947

93,290Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Yes deaths are very High
2nd day.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9168591/Britain-records-deadliest-day-Covid-pandemic-1-820-victims.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/20/16/38259998-9168591-image-a-62_1611159658725.jpg

[Novo]

Arista what is the count today compared to yesterday

[arista]

Arista what is the count today compared to yesterday


33,335 Caught Covid-19 Tuesday 19-1-21
38,950 Caught Covid-19 20-1-21


Sadly going UP

[Cherie]

Let me do all the worrying :)


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:laugh:

[bots]

the death rate increase is now reflecting the Christmas/New Year abandonment of restrictions. It will be a further week or 2 before the death rate starts to go down

[Zizu]

Today
1,820 have Died

38,950 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
39,068

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,947

93,290Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



These are last Wednesday’s stats for comparison

1,564 Deaths Today 13/1/21


47,425 today caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
36,489

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,496


84,767 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/







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[zenon]

the death rate increase is now reflecting the Christmas/New Year abandonment of restrictions. It will be a further week or 2 before the death rate starts to go down

There were not any New Year abandonments of restrictions, most of the country were in tier 4 from Boxing Day.

[arista]

Nations above 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths

405,622 USA deaths
212,831 Brazil deaths
152,718 India deaths
142,832 Mexico deaths
93,469 United Kingdom deaths
83,681 Italy deaths
71,792 France deaths
66,214 Russia deaths
57,057 Iran deaths
54,637 Spain deaths
49,792 Colombia deaths
49,499 Germany deaths
46,216 Argentina deaths
39,044 Peru deaths
38,854 South Africa deaths
34,141 Poland deaths
26,857 Indonesia deaths
24,487 Turkey deaths
22,264 Ukraine deaths
20,554 Belgium deaths
18,416 Canada deaths
17,594 Chile deaths
17,485 Romania deaths
14,820 Czechia deaths
14,437 Ecuador deaths
13,350 Netherlands deaths
12,968 Iraq deaths
11,615 Hungary deaths
11,103 Pakistan deaths
10,797 Sweden deaths
10,042 Philippines deaths




Professional Data: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Zizu]

There were not any New Year abandonments of restrictions, most of the country were in tier 4 from Boxing Day.



Many , many people took liberties from about Dec 22nd until and including New Years Day ... Xmas shopping and visiting friends and relatives .. I think most people expected this ‘festive’ surge tbh

There was only one solitary voice in our staff room who thought that the ‘relaxed’ attitude would have no effect on things when we discussed things in mid December


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[Strictly Jake]

Im getting an asymptomatic test done at work tomorrow. Not looking forward to it I have a bad gag reflex! Going to get it done on tuesday too

Was going to hold it off but there are 13 people i know personally that have all caught it now so it just made it all the more real!

[AnnieK]

Im getting an asymptomatic test done at work tomorrow. Not looking forward to it I have a bad gag reflex! Going to get it done on tuesday too

Was going to hold it off but there are 13 people i know personally that have all caught it now so it just made it all the more real!

Hope it goes ok Jake. Let us know how you found it.

[bots]

Nearly two million people in the UK have received their first dose of a Covid vaccine in the past week, government figures show.

By the end of Tuesday 4.61 million people had received their initial jab, up from 2.64 million the week before.

The government is aiming to offer a vaccine to all over 70s, the extremely clinical vulnerable and health and care workers by mid-February.

Matt Hancock told MPs: "We're giving 200 vaccinations every minute".

Sixty-five new vaccination centres are due to open in England on Thursday, including a mosque in Birmingham and a cinema in Aylesbury.

[arista]

Yes Sounds good
but it is now slowing down
lack of stock of any vaccine.(in some locations)

Above 4Million total so far.

[Kate!]

Priti is live from Downing Street at 5pm.

[Vicky.]

£39? Didn't they say antibody tests would cost around £6?
That's a big jump :/

I paid 80 for mine a few month back :(

[Cherie]

I paid 80 for mine a few month back :(

do you have antibodies Vicky, mine was negative :fist:

I used this one 39.00

https://www.testingforall.org/

[Cherie]

Im getting an asymptomatic test done at work tomorrow. Not looking forward to it I have a bad gag reflex! Going to get it done on tuesday too

Was going to hold it off but there are 13 people i know personally that have all caught it now so it just made it all the more real!

Testing in schools seem to be ramping up, my friend who works in a special school is tested routinely now

[arista]

1352226469234290689


Live 5PM with the Home Secretary

Today

[AnnieK]

do you have antibodies Vicky, mine was negative :fist:

I used this one 39.00

https://www.testingforall.org/

Looks like they have put the price up...says £45 now

[Ammi]

Im getting an asymptomatic test done at work tomorrow. Not looking forward to it I have a bad gag reflex! Going to get it done on tuesday too

Was going to hold it off but there are 13 people i know personally that have all caught it now so it just made it all the more real!

...you’ll be fine, Jake...and you’ll be proud of yourself that you did it as well...:hug:..

[Cherie]

Looks like they have put the price up...says £45 now

oh cheek!

[Zizu]

Im getting an asymptomatic test done at work tomorrow. Not looking forward to it I have a bad gag reflex! Going to get it done on tuesday too

Was going to hold it off but there are 13 people i know personally that have all caught it now so it just made it all the more real!



We ( staff) are now having two LFD tests a week after I complained that many other schools were having two a week yet we were only having one test ..

That said the tests are optional and a few won’t take them :(

Anyways you don’t HAVE to stick the swap down your throat.. you can put the swap up both nostril and twist it around for 10 seconds each nostril..


I’m thinking it’s better than swabbing the throat as many people aren’t going in far enough ( gagging ) or even wiping the right area !
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[arista]

Priti is live from Downing Street at 5pm.


Possible
New Covid Enforced Rules?

[Zizu]

Testing in schools seem to be ramping up, my friend who works in a special school is tested routinely now



That’s not across the country though ...there’s guidance but apparently there’s a lot of leeway ...

Our school ( high school) have been testing staff just once a week until I mentioned that many were testing staff twice a week ... so we are now offering staff the chance to be tested twice a week but even that’s optional :(

As regards the pupils ... they were tested twice a week for the first week only and that was it !

After it was clear that the staff weren’t happy about the pupils not being tested at all - the head ‘took advice’ and now they are going to be tested once a week now..


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[joeysteele]

Priti is live from Downing Street at 5pm.

I'll miss this one.
Whether she's reading notes or speaking generally I wouldn't believe a single word she says.

I can't stand this woman.

[arista]

I'll miss this one.
Whether she's reading notes or speaking generally I wouldn't believe a single word she says.

I can't stand this woman.


2 others with her
New Covid Rules, possible - you need it uncut

[Tom4784]

I'll read a write-up of it later, I will not waste my time watching that bullying ghoul.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210121/effort-is-paying-off-merkel-defends-stricter-shutdown-in-germany

Merkel: efforts are paying off, defends stricter lockdown in the country


https://www.thelocal.de/20210121/germnay-sees-significant-decrease-in-daily-covid-19-cases

Germany: significant decrease in daily covid-19 cases, although new death numbers remain high


good news in my nation :clap1:

[AnnieK]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210121/effort-is-paying-off-merkel-defends-stricter-shutdown-in-germany

Merkel: efforts are paying off, defends stricter lockdown in the country


https://www.thelocal.de/20210121/germnay-sees-significant-decrease-in-daily-covid-19-cases

Germany: significant decrease in daily covid-19 cases, although new death numbers remain high


good news in my nation :clap1:

I thought you were Dutch?

[arista]

I thought you were Dutch?


Germany took them over in WW2

[UserSince2005]

More Priti tonight?

They are treating us good right now.

[UserSince2005]

I thought you were Dutch?

Germany owns the EU, the sooner everyone in the EU submits to the Germany way off thinking, the better chance we will have of avoiding WW3.

[arista]

1,290 Have Died today

37,892 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
38,676


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,953


94,580 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

I'll miss this one.

Whether she's reading notes or speaking generally I wouldn't believe a single word she says.



I can't stand this woman.



She’s hardly alone in fibbing or bending the truth or manipulating the stats though

Can’t think of one politician in the last 50 years that I’d trust completely.

I still think that Boris is a good man with a good heart same applies to .. Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty but sadly they’re completely surrounded by imbeciles.


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[Zizu]

1,290 Have Died today

37,892 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
38,676


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,953


94,580 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



In comparison here are last Thursdays stats

48,682 Got Covid-19 14/1/21

1,248 have died today

86,015 Total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
36,797


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,626

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/






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[arista]

Northern Ireland Locked to end March the 5th


Live both news channels.

[Nicky91]

I thought you were Dutch?

nothing to be proud of with what those dutch government idiots have to say

their curfew also one big flop, has to go through parliament :laugh3: because they don't believe in it going to have effect

no because you can't look at the news, at for example France, Italy, Germany :idc:

[arista]

Live Now


10 Downing St

Not on BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD


BBCnewsHD - with Waving hands

[UserSince2005]

shes not on BBC1?

[arista]

shes not on BBC1?


Political BBC
do this to her every time.

[Nicky91]

shes not on BBC1?

nope, not necessary anymore

[arista]

New £800 Fine for more than 15 people

That Fine Doubles Every time.

[UserSince2005]

Political BBC
do this to her every time.

Rats. absolute rats.

BBC are the bullies.

Is it because shes not the right colour?

Is it because she is a women?

Shame on the BBC.

[UserSince2005]

Is this the first time they haven't broadcast this on BBC1?

[arista]

nope, not necessary anymore



It is
BBC1HD used as alternative to BBCnewsHD with the Deaf hand signs,

[arista]

Rats. absolute rats.

BBC are the bullies.

Is it because shes not the right colour?

Is it because she is a women?

Shame on the BBC.



SkyNewsHD best

[Strictly Jake]

So any new rules?

[joeysteele]

She’s hardly alone in fibbing or bending the truth or manipulating the stats though

Can’t think of one politician in the last 50 years that I’d trust completely.

I still think that Boris is a good man with a good heart same applies to .. Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty but sadly they’re completely surrounded by imbeciles.


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It's not just on the pandemic she has though.
She blatantly lied to Theresa May as PM.
Misled parliament too.

That's why May had her out of her Ministerial post.
One of the better things Mrs May did actually.

I don't believe this deceitful, lying woman on anything at all.
Wouldn't trust her for a second.

[Nicky91]

new regulations for UK aren't necessary as we see the numbers going down

the fab british government are already doing more than enough, i will happily clap for them

[Josy]

New £800 Fine for more than 15 people

That Fine Doubles Every time.Stupid announcements like this are just not thought out properly, so now there will be the consistent rule breakers creating a loophole out of this, throwing house parties with the excuse 'oh we thought it was ok as long as it was less that 15 people durrrrr'

[arista]

17:22
[The first media question comes from
Vicki Young at BBC News.
She asks about Northern Ireland extending
its lockdown and whether restrictions will
be extended in England.
She also asks the home secretary about
the potential for tighter border controls.

Priti Patel says it is right that "stringent measures"
are currently in place.
She adds it is "too early" to speak
about other measures.

On border restrictions, she says
it is "right" that ministers do everything they can
to protect people, listing a range of current
measures that are in place.

"All our measures are constantly
under review," Ms Patel adds.

Asked if the NHS has the vaccine supplies needed,
Vin Diwakar, medical director for the NHS in London,
says the focus is on making sure that supplies are
administered as fast as they are delivered.

On the lockdown generally, he echoes the
home secretary in saying it is too early
to think about easing up,
even though there are some early positive
signs that the vaccine rollout is having an impact]

[arista]

Stupid announcements like this are just not thought out properly, so now there will be the consistent rule breakers creating a loophole out of this, throwing house parties with the excuse 'oh we thought it was ok as long as it was less that 15 people durrrrr'

She is trying to not
get mixed up with big households.


They will fine £800 for each person.

No Loud Parties

[arista]

new regulations for UK aren't necessary as we see the numbers going down

the fab british government are already doing more than enough, i will happily clap for them



No Nicky
our Daily Death rate is staying Higher

[LukeB]

Stupid announcements like this are just not thought out properly, so now there will be the consistent rule breakers creating a loophole out of this, throwing house parties with the excuse 'oh we thought it was ok as long as it was less that 15 people durrrrr'

I thought house parties are fined 10k?

but I agree :laugh:

[Nicky91]

No Nicky
our Daily Death rate is staying Higher

not the government's fault that

than doctors need to work harder, and give extra care to those whom are in risk group, whom otherwise might die

[arista]

So any new rules?


Yes higher £800 Fine for Party offenders


[Home Secretary Priti Patel is leading
a Downing Street briefing
There will be a new £800 fine for people
attending house parties of more than 15 people in England,
Patel announces
She tells people if they do not follow
the rules "then the police will enforce them"]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55746745

[arista]

not the government's fault that

than doctors need to work harder, and give extra care to those whom are in risk group, whom otherwise might die


They Are
we have UK Docu's on it.

7:30PM "Tonight"


Also SkyNewsHD
and BBCnewsHD

[arista]

I thought house parties are fined 10k?

but I agree :laugh:



They are 10K fines for the Owner of the place

But now also each member £800
England Only.

[Kate!]

not the government's fault that

than doctors need to work harder, and give extra care to those whom are in risk group, whom otherwise might die

It IS the Government's fault.

[UserSince2005]

She is such a strong leader. I'm certain she will be ruling this country before long.

[arista]

Concluded 5:40PM

The House Parties fines will go up to £6,400.

[arista]

Do Not buy a Holiday - I would say.

[LukeB]

not the government's fault that

than doctors need to work harder, and give extra care to those whom are in risk group, whom otherwise might die

doctors/nurses doing the best they can and are overworked which is out of their control. The government acts slow which causes issues for hospitals so yes it is the governments fault and also the publics for not following rules.

[Zizu]

New £800 Fine for more than 15 people

That Fine Doubles Every time.

Guessing they will just have parties for 15 then which is still horrendous.

Why isn’t the fine for ANY number rather than above 15 ??

Someone on the radio said it was a fine for the offence .. not £800 each .


So if it is £800 for the first offence and IF they get caught and IF they get fined ( and not just warned or told off ) then it’s basically a £50 fine each ..


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[Nicky91]

It IS the Government's fault.

no, the government needs to take care daily new cases numbers go down


how you can get death numbers down, well make sure everyone in risk group receives best treatment as soon as possible



also elderly can stay at home as much as they like by themselves, by looking at the news, and listening to simple advice

[Zizu]

She is trying to not

get mixed up with big households.





They will fine £800 for each person.



No Loud Parties



... but only if the party has MORE than 15 people isn’t it ??


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[Marsh.]

not the government's fault that

than doctors need to work harder, and give extra care to those whom are in risk group, whom otherwise might die

Be quiet ignorant child.

[Scarlett.]

The cases seem to have stalled around 38k

[joeysteele]

no, the government needs to take care daily new cases numbers go down


how you can get death numbers down, well make sure everyone in risk group receives best treatment as soon as possible



also elderly can stay at home as much as they like by themselves, by looking at the news, and listening to simple advice

Unbelievable.

[bots]

the government are the ones with the data so i can only surmise that there are a significant number of what i would describe as very large gatherings that are causing a problem. It's the only plausible reason for coming out with such a specific rule. But then, logic hasn't been a government strength in the last year

[Vicky.]

Honestly, the cases are due to stall and drop naturally before long anyway. Even without the vaccine helping things along. There is natural immunity, and if its correct that so many new infections are appearing daily, ontop of the vaccine programs, we have to be getting close to herd immunity now tbh. I know 'herd immunity' is a dirty word when it comes to covid, but its true. Vaccine brings us to that point faster.

I feel that the stricter the restrictions get at this stage, the more people will stop listening. SAGE knew this would happen back in lockdown 1. They picked the lockdown time specifically knowing that the public would at one stage become fatigued and start ignoring it. That point has long passed. While some are still religiously follwing rules, it seems the minority round here tbh. Noones going mad and having raves, but I see family visits and such all the time, where earlier in the year, it was a ghost town.

Best plan is just to get on with vaccinating the vulnerable as quickly as possible. Thats all that can be done at this stage, as trying to tighten will have the opposite effect I think..

[Zizu]

Sky reporting a £10,000 fine was issued to someone in Hertfordshire for hosting a party of 150+ ..

That’s just £66 each ..


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[arista]

"Honestly, the cases are due to stall and drop naturally before long anyway."


Vicky
more like 5 years time

So many going to hospital are now are Dying
Brazil Variant. South African Variant.