Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[user104658]

Don’t think the lateral flow tests work properly - they arrived and my flatmates testing negative and he has got his positive pcr result already. Likewise the girl he caught it from tested negative on the lateral flow test and her pcr came back positive….

Lateral flow tests aren't for people with symptoms.

But also no they're not as accurate in general.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

1.607 new cases 163 less than yesterday

783 total hospitalisations

297 total ICU patients

5 new deaths




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[bots]

Don’t think the lateral flow tests work properly - they arrived and my flatmates testing negative and he has got his positive pcr result already. Likewise the girl he caught it from tested negative on the lateral flow test and her pcr came back positive….

Pcr is the proper test. I wonder how many are using them and infecting others? Because that’s 2/2 out of people I know so I can’t imagine the accuracy being anymore than 60% which is pretty poor

they require a significant viral load before they show as positive i believe. That's why the trump administration would test negative for days after a covid contact and then boom it would show as positive after several days

[arista]

Thursday 10/6/21

7 Died
7,393 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,048

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,876 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Thursday 6/3/21

18 Died
5,274 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
919


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
129


127,812 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 10/6/21

7 Died
7,393 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,048

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,876 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Zizu]

So with people speculating that the lockdown may be extended by 2 weeks or even a month .. what are people’s thoughts on air flight/s are they likely to get more and more frequent now or is there a possibility they may all get grounded again over the summer ?


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[user104658]

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Deaths down 61%
New cases up 40%
Hospitalisation up 14%
On ventilator up 14%

Cases still soaring tbh. Good news, not reflected in death numbers thus far. Not so good news, there is a definite and sustained increase in both hospital and ventilator figures, and overall that is still likely to translate into increased deaths in the coming weeks if it continues to rise.

Cases rising much faster than hospitalisations and deaths is a good sign and indicative of the vaccine being effective.

[Nicky91]

So with people speculating that the lockdown may be extended by 2 weeks or even a month .. what are people’s thoughts on air flight/s are they likely to get more and more frequent now or is there a possibility they may all get grounded again over the summer ?


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no lockdowns anymore, the public have had enough of that

[bots]

So many people have not yet been vaccinated fully if vaccinated at all, that the infection rate is bound to rise. if the death rate rises above 100 then we have cause for concern

[Cherie]

cases are not exactly soaring they started surge testing in Greater Manchester yesterday and its 2,000 more than last week, we have no idea how many of these cases are asymptomatic

[Vanessa]

As long as deaths stay that low there's no need to worry.

[DouglasS]

An ambulance is coming to pickup my flatmate :skull:

[bots]

An ambulance is coming to pickup my flatmate :skull:

hope they recover quickly

[Crimson Dynamo]

typical scaremongering


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[bots]

yeah, i have been angry at the media almost from march last year

[Cherie]

An ambulance is coming to pickup my flatmate :skull:

Wow he went downhill fast hope is is okay

[arista]

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[bots]

forever is a long time, but we should keep social distancing in place until the infection rate is right down, and it would probably help the nations health if we had it in place during the flu season

[Cherie]

What she actually said v the headline

Asked to clarify just she meant by 'long term' Michie paused, laughed and replied: 'I think forever to some extent because this isn't going to be the last pandemic.'

[Zizu]

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Why on earth would he think that everyone is enthusiastic about sharing their person preferences and health history to the world ??


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[Beso]

I've not checked into covid news lately...

Hows it looking, are we fooked yet?

[Zizu]

I've not checked into covid news lately...

Hows it looking, are we fooked yet?


Depends who or what you want to believe

:)


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[AnnieK]

An ambulance is coming to pickup my flatmate :skull:

Hope he gets well soon and you stay safe and well

[Zizu]

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With the reopening of the country on 21 June looking in danger of being pushed back, what are the key stats the government will look at to make their decision?
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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

729 total in hospital, in last 24 hours 54 beds have become available

448 total in nursing wards 38 less than yesterday

281 total ICU patients 16 less than yesterday


nothing known yet about new cases or deaths

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: as of June 30th possible for one day events, visitors must have either a proof of vaccination, or negative pcr test evidence

once allowed, no more 1.5 metre distancing

parliament has decided to relax these measures because of the success of the FieldLab test events which were held the last couple months

the relaxing of measures doesn't count for Lowlands Festival which is over multiple days, or Fairs which are also over more than 3 to 4 days usually

the parliament will decide next week on theatre, pop concerts if also indoors the measures can be relaxed

[Zizu]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

729 total in hospital, in last 24 hours 54 beds have become available

448 total in nursing wards 38 less than yesterday

281 total ICU patients 16 less than yesterday


nothing known yet about new cases or deaths

1.417 new cases (lowest number since half september)

3 new deaths

[arista]

Friday 11/6/21

17 have Died
8,125 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,058


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,944 Total UK Deaths

Note they have again changed the UK Total Deaths
Decreased again.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Friday 4/6/21

11 Died
6,238 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
954

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
134



127,823 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Friday 11/6/21

17 have Died
8,125 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,058


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,944 Total UK Deaths

Note they have again changed the UK Total Deaths
Decreased again.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[user104658]

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Deaths up 63%
New cases up 30%
Hospitalisation up 11%
On ventilator up 18%

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[Cherie]

Deaths up 63%
New cases up 30%
Hospitalisation up 11%
On ventilator up 18%

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are you going for a job in tabloid journalism :laugh:

[Zizu]

Deaths up 63%
New cases up 30%
Hospitalisation up 11%
On ventilator up 18%

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On the face of it I guess those % aren’t too scary BUT these are only over a 7 day period.. week on week .

It won’t take too long to get to rather more worrying levels ??


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands:

we have labelled UK as high risk zone, code orange, travellers whom return from UK must go in quarantaine for the full 10 days, anyone breaking this rule will get a fine up to 339 euro


besides UK, also Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh as high risk zones


all of these got code orange, because of the extremely contagious Delta or Indian corona variant

truck drivers don't have to be in quarantaine travelling from and to UK, but different rules for them, not to go making unnecessary contacts in UK, and distancing and wearing face masks all the time

[Cherie]

Netherlands:

we have labelled UK as high risk zone, code orange, travellers whom return from UK must go in quarantaine for the full 10 days, anyone breaking this rule will get a fine up to 339 euro


besides UK, also Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh as high risk zones


all of these got code orange, because of the extremely contagious Delta or Indian corona variant

truck drivers don't have to be in quarantaine travelling from and to UK, but different rules for them, not to go making unnecessary contacts in UK, and distancing and wearing face masks all the time

and yet they didn't close the borders with India when the virus was raging :laugh:

[Cherie]

On the face of it I guess those % aren’t too scary BUT these are only over a 7 day period.. week on week .

It won’t take too long to get to rather more worrying levels ??


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I think its easy to forget where we were at the end of December

cases going up massively every day, we need to put things in perspective

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[Cherie]

any news on your flatmate Douglas?

[user104658]

I think its easy to forget where we were at the end of December

cases going up massively every day, we need to put things in perspective

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And to be fair even looking at those numbers and extrapolating them with the current cases/deaths numbers... it does CURRENTLY look like there's a large drop in the case fatality ratio.

Hard to say 100% whether that's because of vaccinating massively reducing incidence of severe illness, cases being skewed into younger and less at risk demographics, or simply more asymptomatic cases being discovered because of surge testing in hotspot areas.

Prolly a combination of all 3.

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Any of the three is good news though. Obviously reason #1 would be the most encouraging.

[bots]

i've gone back and forward on the current situation quite a lot and while i desperately want life back to normal, this delta variant is quite concerning. To be honest, if the vulnerable hadn't been vaccinated we would be completely ****ed at this point.

They reckon without relaxing restrictions further, we will be back at 50k daily infections in a couple of weeks. Now we can say vaccination has broken the link between infection and death, but it hasn't broken it completely, so, what we will have is double vaccinated people thinking they are perfectly safe and then oops, a proportion of them will end up dying. The big unknown is what that proportion will be. We are just not out of the woods yet as much as we all wish it were so

[Zizu]

i've gone back and forward on the current situation quite a lot and while i desperately want life back to normal, this delta variant is quite concerning. To be honest, if the vulnerable hadn't been vaccinated we would be completely ****ed at this point.

They reckon without relaxing restrictions further, we will be back at 50k daily infections in a couple of weeks. Now we can say vaccination has broken the link between infection and death, but it hasn't broken it completely, so, what we will have is double vaccinated people thinking they are perfectly safe and then oops, a proportion of them will end up dying. The big unknown is what that proportion will be. We are just not out of the woods yet as much as we all wish it were so


Yeah that’s more or less my take on things..

I see all these fabulously high numbers of vaccinated people but it still leaves millions and millions vulnerable ..


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[user104658]

i've gone back and forward on the current situation quite a lot and while i desperately want life back to normal, this delta variant is quite concerning. To be honest, if the vulnerable hadn't been vaccinated we would be completely ****ed at this point.

They reckon without relaxing restrictions further, we will be back at 50k daily infections in a couple of weeks. Now we can say vaccination has broken the link between infection and death, but it hasn't broken it completely, so, what we will have is double vaccinated people thinking they are perfectly safe and then oops, a proportion of them will end up dying. The big unknown is what that proportion will be. We are just not out of the woods yet as much as we all wish it were so

It was daft to link it to a date, they should have linked it to a vax number. Like 75% double-dosed or something.

[Ammi]

It was daft to link it to a date, they should have linked it to a vax number. Like 75% double-dosed or something.

…I can’t understand the sense of giving another potential date of 19th July….just say there will be a delay and it’ll be monitored closely and reviewed etc….it’s not looking as good as it did but we’ll hope for mid July doesn’t make sense at all…

[bots]

…I can’t understand the sense of giving another potential date of 19th July….just say there will be a delay and it’ll be monitored closely and reviewed etc….it’s not looking as good as it did but we’ll hope for mid July doesn’t make sense at all…

they have to give a provisional date for all the businesses that are "planning" return of normal operation. If they didnt give a review date, that would create a huge stink too.


They created criteria to measure our readiness for return to normal life and that can't just be tossed in the bin. If at the review date we are still not there, then things will continue as they are

[Ammi]

they have to give a provisional date for all the businesses that are "planning" return of normal operation. If they didnt give a review date, that would create a huge stink too.


They created criteria to measure our readiness for return to normal life and that can't just be tossed in the bin. If at the review date we are still not there, then things will continue as they are

…yeah I totally get that …but rather than give the date straight away/at the same time as they’re postponing this one just doesn’t make sense to me…as there has to be a postponement, monitor it closely and then give the new date out…I don’t mean not to give one at all, but there is no need to replace one with another immediately… but just say there’ll be a review shortly….

[bots]

Boris Johnson has said the government must "be cautious" as it decides whether to end all Covid restrictions in England on 21 June.

Cases and hospitalisations are on the increase as the Delta variant spreads, with the announcement of the next steps on the "roadmap" due on Monday.

The prime minister told the BBC it was important to ensure any easing of restrictions was "irreversible".

The BBC has been told a delay of up to four weeks is being considered.

Senior medical advisers have urged a brake to the final easing of lockdown restrictions, which, if it went ahead in full, would mean removing limits on social contact and the number of people allowed into homes.

Pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas would also be allowed to operate without capacity limits, with sports events taking place in full stadiums, nightclubs reopening and limits of the number of wedding guests going.

[DouglasS]

any news on your flatmate Douglas?

He’s fine and back at home! They took his blood oxygen levels and it ended up being okay so he was released pretty soon. He called them cause he couldn’t breathe well but he’s okay now

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: as of June 30th, all football stadiums of all professional teams reopen for full capacity of audience again (at both friendly and competition matches)

[arista]

Monday Johnson PM
is having Early morning Cabinet Meeting
on his new Covid Update,
which we could first get Johnson in Parliament Live

SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Saturday 12/6/21

12 have Died
7,738 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,896 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

Saturday 12/6/21

12 have Died
7,738 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,896 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

this was yesterday, so in terms of daily change it's ok

Friday 11/6/21

17 have Died
8,125 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,058


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,944 Total UK Deaths

Note they have again changed the UK Total Deaths
Decreased again.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Saturday 5/6/21

13 Died
5,765 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
932

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
134


127,836

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Saturday 12/6/21

12 have Died
7,738 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,896 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


didnt they say cases had trebled....doesn't look like it :skull:

[Cherie]

He’s fine and back at home! They took his blood oxygen levels and it ended up being okay so he was released pretty soon. He called them cause he couldn’t breathe well but he’s okay now

oh that's a relief, must have been scary for him though

[Zizu]

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A further 7,738 coronavirus cases and 12 deaths have been recorded in the UK, the latest figures show.

The number of new infections reported on Saturday is less than Friday's total of 8,125 - which was the highest since late February


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[bots]

didnt they say cases had trebled....doesn't look like it :skull:

they probably trebled in 1 street in the North West somewhere

[Cherie]

they probably trebled in 1 street in the North West somewhere

:laugh:

[arista]

CNN HD
reports Moscow has a massive increase in Covid-19

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
reports Johnson PM
is doing loads of Zoom calls with Witty & Vallance
while at the Cornish G7.

[Zizu]

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A further 7,738 coronavirus cases and 12 deaths have been recorded in the UK, the latest figures show.

The number of new infections reported on Saturday is less than Friday's total of 8,125 - which was the highest since late February


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Remember these figures are a weekend recording which are noticeably lower than the rest of the week .

I’m wondering if they will be back over 10,000 by the time Tuesday’s figures are revealed


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[bots]

Remember these figures are a weekend recording which are noticeably lower than the rest of the week .

I’m wondering if they will be back over 10,000 by the time Tuesday’s figures are revealed


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it's sunday and monday figures that are lower, the saturday figures come from Friday :laugh:

With that said, projections are showing we will be back at 50k infections a day within a couple of weeks, so they will go up

[Zizu]

it's sunday and monday figures that are lower, the saturday figures come from Friday :laugh:

With that said, projections are showing we will be back at 50k infections a day within a couple of weeks, so they will go up


Mmmm

I’ve always noticed the figures drop down Saturday , Sunday and Monday then get back to near normal on Tuesdays .

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Of Course - Just Not To You, Peston.

[Nicky91]

Brazil: president Bolsonaro got a fine for not wearing a face mask during a event, also his son and one other MP received a fine

at a motor rally in Sao Paulo, where there were many supporters of Bolsonaro attending as well, Bolsonaro also during a speech again anti-face coverings

[arista]

The UK it has got worse
over the last 2 weeks.

Delta Variant.

[Vanessa]

The UK it has got worse
over the last 2 weeks.

Delta Variant.

But deaths are still very low.

[Zizu]

No stats yet ?


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[arista]

No stats yet ?





Doing them now

[arista]

Sunday 13/6/21

6 have Died.
7,490 have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,904 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Sunday 6/6/21

4 Died
5,341 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
932


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
134


127,840 UK Total Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Sunday 13/6/21

6 have Died.
7,490 have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,904 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


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[Zizu]

Doing them now


Thank you !


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[DouglasS]

I imagine in 2-3 months time though the vulnerable who got their second vaccine earlier (March time) will have much fewer antibodies and we will be in the same position… they probably don’t last long considering my flatmate has had covid twice within 9 months.

[arista]

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[arista]

[Boris Johnson is tonight set to delay Freedom Day
by a month - to the fury of
business leaders and Tory MPs
The Prime Minister is expected to confirm
that the June 21 Freedom Day will be pushed back to July 19
Mr Johnson considers it the 'final stretch' to
extend the protection of the jabs as far
as possible, source says
'It is better to be cautious and have certainty.
It is one last heave,' a government source has said]

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[bots]

There go the media again, stirring it up saying lockdown is going on and on, when we are not in lockdown and the social distancing is remaining to save lives, the media are not helping at all

[Vanessa]

I imagine in 2-3 months time though the vulnerable who got their second vaccine earlier (March time) will have much fewer antibodies and we will be in the same position… they probably don’t last long considering my flatmate has had covid twice within 9 months.

That's why they're planning booster jabs.
I think it's a good idea.

[Strictly Jake]

The Uni I work I've just found out that in the last TWO weeks cases have gone from zero for weeks and weeks to now being 70 cases. That's a large jump! So I'm not surprised they have to delay if cases are jumping like that everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see the tier system return

[hijaxers]

The Uni I work I've just found out that in the last TWO weeks cases have gone from zero for weeks and weeks to now being 70 cases. That's a large jump! So I'm not surprised they have to delay if cases are jumping like that everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see the tier system return

Well that a mighty big jump from 0 - 70 wow ! This is governments fault for leaving borders open .

[bots]

i just checked my area again and it's still on zero cases. I think it still remains true that there are hotspots and they are being surge tested and vaccinated, so it's still being controlled as far as is possible

[Vanessa]

i just checked my area again and it's still on zero cases. I think it still remains true that there are hotspots and they are being surge tested and vaccinated, so it's still being controlled as far as is possible

Yes, that's all theh can do.
Deaths are still very low, which is a relief.

[user104658]

I imagine in 2-3 months time though the vulnerable who got their second vaccine earlier (March time) will have much fewer antibodies and we will be in the same position… they probably don’t last long considering my flatmate has had covid twice within 9 months.

These vaccines are much more sophisticated than an inoculation (which is just exposing to small amounts of the virus), so you can't really estimate how long antibodies will last by comparing it to reinfections of "wild" covid.

It may last far longer, it may not... we don't really know yet. The main concern is still mutations to be honest. It's fairly likely that your flatmate had Alpha (UK) variant 9 months ago and Delta (Indian) variant now.

[bots]

yeah the immune response from catching covid naturally will be very different to that generated by vaccination, so its not sensible to compare them.

I find all this claptrap about restrictions being irreversible absolute nonsense. A new variant could come along at any time that renders the vaccine useless, so i wish Boris and others would stop making these declarations. It just gives a false outlook

[user104658]

I think "useless" seems unlikely, I mean it's not going to mutate itself out of being a coronavirus, so i think SOME protection for the vaccines/tweaked vaccines is likely to always be present but yeah it could feasibly drop in efficacy to, say, under 50% in which case it would still stop plenty of severe illness and deaths, but it would be functionally useless in terms of limiting spread. I believe the "standard" quoted figure for a vaccine to be effective on a large scale is something like 65% (of 100% uptake... the lower the uptake number, the higher the effectiveness needs to be).

[bots]

new details on the delta variant ......

A headache, sore throat and running nose are now the most commonly reported symptoms linked to Covid infection in the UK, researchers say.

Prof Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people.

But although they may not feel very ill, they could be contagious and put others at risk.

Anyone who thinks they may have Covid should take a test.

The classic Covid symptoms people should look out for, the NHS says, are:

cough
fever
loss of smell or taste

But Prof Spector says these are now less common, based on the data the Zoe team has been receiving from thousands of people who have logged their symptoms on an app.

[Cherie]

new details on the delta variant ......

A headache, sore throat and running nose are now the most commonly reported symptoms linked to Covid infection in the UK, researchers say.

Prof Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people.

But although they may not feel very ill, they could be contagious and put others at risk.

Anyone who thinks they may have Covid should take a test.

The classic Covid symptoms people should look out for, the NHS says, are:

cough
fever
loss of smell or taste

But Prof Spector says these are now less common, based on the data the Zoe team has been receiving from thousands of people who have logged their symptoms on an app.


well then that covers everything from the common cold to hayfever :laugh:

[user104658]

:umm2: I had an absolutely shocking cold that started last Tuesday and is only really clearing up this morning. It's felt "odd" too in that I've also been utterly exhausted and brainfoggy.

Oh well. I've probably been superspreading all over the county. It's mostly cleared today though so too late to even test :think:.

Technically it shouldn't have been BUT I was only 10 days after my 2nd dose sooo... not fully double-dosed...

Though my daughter was the first to get it and we did get her tested and that came back negative. So assuming it was the same thing probs not? Who knows. I'm not dead anyway and like I said, was perking up by Saturday and mostly cleared today.

Nasty one tho... :suspect:

[user104658]

well then that covers everything from the common cold to hayfever :laugh:

Indeed and we apparently just hit hayfever peak so that will be interesting for the testing centres.

In positive news; as with last year, my own hayfever seems to still be miraculously gone.

I never had it in my life until 9 years ago... had horrible hayfever for 7 years (I was getting bad nosebleeds and everything because it was wrecking my sinuses) and then last year just... didn't have any. And none (touch wood, so far) this year either.

[arista]

Johnson is Busy Today
he is in Brussels, Nato
Later in the UK 6PM News Confrerence Covid Update.

[Cherie]

Indeed and we apparently just hit hayfever peak so that will be interesting for the testing centres.

In positive news; as with last year, my own hayfever seems to still be miraculously gone.

I never had it in my life until 9 years ago... had horrible hayfever for 7 years (I was getting bad nosebleeds and everything because it was wrecking my sinuses) and then last year just... didn't have any. And none (touch wood, so far) this year either.

Hail the vaccine!

[bots]

i started getting hay fever as a child, really badly too. My doctor at the time ( a long long time ago) told me i would grow out of it, and he was right, when i hit 55, i've never had it since :laugh:

[Strictly Jake]

:umm2: I had an absolutely shocking cold that started last Tuesday and is only really clearing up this morning. It's felt "odd" too in that I've also been utterly exhausted and brainfoggy.

Oh well. I've probably been superspreading all over the county. It's mostly cleared today though so too late to even test :think:.

Technically it shouldn't have been BUT I was only 10 days after my 2nd dose sooo... not fully double-dosed...

Though my daughter was the first to get it and we did get her tested and that came back negative. So assuming it was the same thing probs not? Who knows. I'm not dead anyway and like I said, was perking up by Saturday and mostly cleared today.

Nasty one tho... :suspect:

I've had the same I'm have a cough for about 2 weeks now. Started off really dry and hurt my chest a few days after it started I felt really ill I just wanted to sleep but then I had to just get on with stuff so just continued and then a couple of days after the cough subsided but then came back as a tickly cough every now and again every day but no other symptoms and I've had a couple of lateral tests which say negative. I think it's just cough and cold season in general and the pollen count is very high and odd at the moment you can see it all flying around like snow I've never seen that before

[AnnieK]

Hasn't it been said that hayfever is cyclical and goes on seven year cycles often or am I just makibg that up?

I suffered from childhood asthma that I grew out of too. I still have a prescription on repeat for an inhaler but haven't needed it since my early 20's.

[Strictly Jake]

Hayfever is really weird in the way it can come and go I never suffered with it until I was about 16 and then since then around end of Feb I get it with tree pollen. Then I get it back end of may June time

[arista]

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[Strictly Jake]

Large events are to be lifted? Isn't that one of the places it could spread?

Also if cases are getting worse now how is keeping everything as it is now gonna help matters?

Personally I think they should have delayed the last step. The weathers been lovely for pub gardens and friends gardens etc. Not enough had been vaccined yet. Numbers are flying a lot higher than they thought they would be

[Marsh.]

Large events yes but nightclubs no? That's just daft.

[arista]

Large events are to be lifted? Isn't that one of the places it could spread?

Also if cases are getting worse now how is keeping everything as it is now gonna help matters?

Personally I think they should have delayed the last step. The weathers been lovely for pub gardens and friends gardens etc. Not enough had been vaccined yet. Numbers are flying a lot higher than they thought they would be



Yes loads of Splitting of Views
Johnson Right now is Standing with the Turkish Leader,
USA Leader , French Leader etc., at the NATO Gathering in Brussels


We have to wait until 6PM or later
for Johnson PM,
to give us the Full New Covid Guide.

[arista]

Large events yes but nightclubs no? That's just daft.



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[user104658]

Large events yes but nightclubs no? That's just daft.

I dunno. Large events are usually outdoors and ventilation is key... nightclubs are hot, sweaty, stuffy and frankly ****ing disgusting.

[rusticgal]

i started getting hay fever as a child, really badly too. My doctor at the time ( a long long time ago) told me i would grow out of it, and he was right, when i hit 55, i've never had it since :laugh:


I used to have it as a child but grew out of it in my late teens. My husband has been suffering with it for the past 3 years...but its been better this year.

[Cherie]

large events with a one meter rule, think that is okay if it is outside tbh

[user104658]

I've had the same I'm have a cough for about 2 weeks now. Started off really dry and hurt my chest a few days after it started I felt really ill I just wanted to sleep but then I had to just get on with stuff so just continued and then a couple of days after the cough subsided but then came back as a tickly cough every now and again every day but no other symptoms and I've had a couple of lateral tests which say negative. I think it's just cough and cold season in general and the pollen count is very high and odd at the moment you can see it all flying around like snow I've never seen that before

I'm noticing loads of pollen this year but I think it's because our new car is black :think:. The pollen actually sits on it like a "coating" and shows up really clearly. Last week it was absolutely covered in a dusting of weird bright yellow pollen... like one side of the car actually looked painted a "dark" yellow colour :think:.

[bots]

they have done quite a few trial events outside now, so they will have learnt a lot from them

[Marsh.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/14/11/44199773-9683585-image-a-38_1623668162974.jpg

Yes that was what I read which led to my question.

[Cherie]

I'm noticing loads of pollen this year but I think it's because our new car is black :think:. The pollen actually sits on it like a "coating" and shows up really clearly. Last week it was absolutely covered in a dusting of weird bright yellow pollen... like one side of the car actually looked painted a "dark" yellow colour :think:.

I think it might be due to the 'bring back the bee's' campaign so no mow May and no mowing of grass verges, more wild flowers etc

[Oliver_W]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E30iO1uXwAA810B?format=jpg&name=medium

Urgh, just look at those slimy leeches. I wonder what the carbon footprint is of them all coming here? I wonder how much money was wasted on bringing them all together? I wonder why they're above wearing masks and distancing?

No excuse for this when us common folk are meant to be following the rules and everything.

When money, the environment, and the virus are all current concerns, there's no reason for this summit to be in person.

[AnnieK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E30iO1uXwAA810B?format=jpg&name=medium

Urgh, just look at those slimy leeches. I wonder what the carbon footprint is of them all coming here? I wonder how much money was wasted on bringing them all together? I wonder why they're above wearing masks and distancing?

No excuse for this when us common folk are meant to be following the rules and everything.

When money, the environment, and the virus are all current concerns, there's no reason for this summit to be in person.

Did they all have to do 10 days isolation (at their expense) if they have come from Amber or Red list countries?

[user104658]

I think it might be due to the 'bring back the bee's' campaign so no mow May and no mowing of grass verges, more wild flowers etc

We haven't had the gardener round at all yet this year (he's supposed to be coming today) and I simply do not mow as it's beneath me.

Our grass is, in places, nearly 2ft high :joker:.

One of our sets of neighbours are the types who have their garden preened to within an inch of it's life (not even nice... just... bland... like a new-build garden... the types who would probably get Astroturf) and the woman accosted me in the garden last week demanding to know "when I planned to cut the grass".

To which I (tongue in cheek :hmph: ) replied that we're "supporting biodiversity".

It didn't go down very well :shrug:.

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E30iO1uXwAA810B?format=jpg&name=medium

Urgh, just look at those slimy leeches. I wonder what the carbon footprint is of them all coming here? I wonder how much money was wasted on bringing them all together? I wonder why they're above wearing masks and distancing?

No excuse for this when us common folk are meant to be following the rules and everything.

When money, the environment, and the virus are all current concerns, there's no reason for this summit to be in person.

I wouldnt expect them to be wearing masks as they are outside, but distancing yes and I do find the whole climate change discussion hilarious given they arrived in helicopters and Chinooks and by calvacade of vehicles, the only nod to anywhere near being green was Carrie Johnson renting her outfits :love:

the Queen in contrast travelled by train at 95

[bots]

the Queen in contrast travelled by train at 95

She and kim jong un are soul mates

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: no more corona measures, no more lockdowns as of June 26th, not June 30th


there'll only be a travel ban for UK and areas of Asia because of delta variant

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/06/economy-set-to-grow-strongly-and-smoothly-says-central-bank/

Netherlands: The Dutch economy will bounce back from the coronavirus crisis ‘strongly and smoothly’, the Dutch central bank says in its new economic forecast.

This year, the economy is set to grow 3%, to be followed by 3.7% in 2022, the central bank said. By 2023, it will normalise again, showing growth of an estimated 1.9%. The bank is basing its forecasts on the vaccination programme which is leading to measures to limit contacts between people being phased out.

This, the bank said, means consumer confidence will recover on a wide scale, driven partially by low unemployment. Unemployment will, however, rise from 3.6% this year to 4.5% in 2022 as more people join the labour market looking for work.

Earlier forecasts were less optimistic about the growth and recovery. ‘But the economy’s ability to adapt would appear to be greater than thought, and world trade is also performing better than expected,’ director Olaf Sleijpen told broadcaster NOS.

The Dutch economy has performed better than the EU general, contracting by 3.4%, compared with a eurozone’s 5.1% in the first three months of this year. This is partly due to the fact that the Dutch economy is not as reliant on tourism as that of Spain or France.

House prices too are contributing to the growth, and the central bank expects them to rise by 10% this year, followed by 5.5% in 2022 and 3.5% in 2023.

Next government

The central bank notes that public finances are under control and austerity measures or higher taxes are not necessary at the moment.

This means the next government, Sleijpen said, must focus on structural issues which were problems before the pandemic, such as the shift away from natural gas and bottlenecks in the housing and labour market.

[Cherie]

Did they all have to do 10 days isolation (at their expense) if they have come from Amber or Red list countries?

Nope

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

899 new cases 154 less than yesterday

681 total hospitalisations 24 new hospitalisations

263 total ICU patients 8 new ICU patients

3 new deaths

[Marsh.]

Did they all have to do 10 days isolation (at their expense) if they have come from Amber or Red list countries?

Nope. Taking the piss out of the little folk again.

[arista]

Monday 4/6/21

3 have died
7,742 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
161

127,907 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Monday 7/6/21

1 Died
5,683 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
932


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
134


127,841 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 14/6/21

3 have died
7,742 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
161


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[user104658]

.

Deaths up 200%
Cases up 36%
Hospital up 17%
Vent up 20%

[DouglasS]

Deaths are so small that any increase from 1 would be a ridiculous increase, looks like hospitilisations / ventilators are best way of measuring, looks to be up 20% week on week

[Zizu]

Large events are to be lifted? Isn't that one of the places it could spread?

Also if cases are getting worse now how is keeping everything as it is now gonna help matters?

Personally I think they should have delayed the last step. The weathers been lovely for pub gardens and friends gardens etc. Not enough had been vaccined yet. Numbers are flying a lot higher than they thought they would be


Postponing the lifting of lockdown will help keep the numbers as low as possible.. they may still rise as they are doing now but they’d go through the roof if we lift the lockdown restrictions.


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[bots]

percentage increases look bad because the numbers are pretty small. Given that so many of the population are not fully vaccinated we are doing pretty well because this is the most restrictions have been removed in 16 months. I think we should continue a gradual removal of restrictions while vaccinating like crazy.


One of the most misleading figues is the % of adults vaccinated, because young teenagers are not included in that and are capable of spreading covid like wildfire

[arista]

The Speaker Of The House
is Very Angry
that Johnson is going Live at 6PM

And Parliament gets it from Health Secretary at 9PM tonight

[Vanessa]

I think we're doing well.
The numbers are holding up

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

I think we're doing well.
The numbers are holding up

:hug:

yes doing well enough, keep up the pace regarding vaccinations i'd say

[Vanessa]

A delay is a good idea.
Gives us the chance to finish vaccinations.

[arista]

Live at 6PM Johnson /Vallance /Whitty

SkyNewsHD
GBnews
BBCnewsHD
Times Radio DAB
LBC
Radio5

[arista]

We are Now Live
9 Downing St.

[arista]

18:07

[Lifting of restrictions to be delayed by
four weeks until 19 July - PM
As expected, Boris Johnson has announced the
21 June reopening date is to be pushed back,
saying we have not met all four tests for
proceeding with the original date.

The new date is now expected to be 19 July,
with a review period after two weeks.
He says the link between cases and
hospitalisations has been "weakened" but not
completely severed, so more time must
be given to get more people jabs.

Delaying the date will allow more time for
people to be given jabs given the dangers
of the Delta variant, the PM says.

Over-40s will only have to wait eight weeks
rather than 12 weeks for their second jab, he says,
while 23 and 24-year-olds will start to be offered
a vaccine from tomorrow.

And he has brought forward the commitment
to offer every adult a jab from the end of July to 19 July.]

[MTVN]

Chris Whitty in his happy place when he's putting up slides to justify more restrictions

[Cherie]

18:07

[Lifting of restrictions to be delayed by
four weeks until 19 July - PM
As expected, Boris Johnson has announced the
21 June reopening date is to be pushed back,
saying we have not met all four tests for
proceeding with the original date.

The new date is now expected to be 19 July,
with a review period after two weeks.
He says the link between cases and
hospitalisations has been "weakened" but not
completely severed, so more time must
be given to get more people jabs.

Delaying the date will allow more time for
people to be given jabs given the dangers
of the Delta variant, the PM says.

Over-40s will only have to wait eight weeks
rather than 12 weeks for their second jab, he says,
while 23 and 24-year-olds will start to be offered
a vaccine from tomorrow.

And he has brought forward the commitment
to offer every adult a jab from the end of July to 19 July.]

I can confirm ..

[arista]

GBnews gets a Question.

Asking about the Plan for the Extra Jabs (3rd Injection)


Johnson: A plan is on its way.

[bots]

it's a settling phase that needs to happen from here on in. People have to get used to the idea that we need to live with the virus and that's going to take time. The fixation on daily figures has to stop. There should be alerts in hotspots so that people can be more cautious in what they do, but we need to stop with all the fear mongering headlines

[arista]

Sir Patick Vallance says "this is a virus that is going to be with us forever".

[arista]

The Prime Minister
has Concluded

[Zizu]

Sky News reporting that one vaccination is thought to give just 33% cover against the Delta / Indian variant :(


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[Zizu]

Sir Patick Vallance says "this is a virus that is going to be with us forever".


Ahh .. so a different kind of normal ..


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[bots]

Sky News reporting that one vaccination is thought to give just 33% cover against the Delta / Indian variant :(


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thats misinformation again, 1 jab give 70%+ protection from serious illness

[Zizu]

thats misinformation again, 1 jab give 70%+ protection from serious illness


Just quoting exactly what they reported earlier
Wasn’t that 70% figure for the Kent variant ?


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/14/15/article-9683585-44206725-504_964x543.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9683585/Minister-says-four-week-delay-Freedom-Day-expected-TONIGHT-allow-10m-vaccine-boost.html

[arista]

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[Zizu]

1404421612238159878


That said Mike Graham is an imbecile of the highest order ..


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[bots]

people have been told repeatedly that they book holidays abroad at their own risk. Pleading ignorance doesn't work

Anyway, it seems to me the government want people to spend money at home rather than abroad, and we should ensure as much as possible that our own leisure industry recovers before flying off elsewhere

[joeysteele]

The government is right to extend in my view the easing of restrictions.

I think their wedding do's and don'ts are quite odd.
It was stupid of any to label June 21st as freedom day in any case.

[bots]

weddings is a definitive category, so they can remove restrictions on that and see how it goes, it's basically a slowed down easing of restrictions rather than stopping the easing completely.

We have to try and open up while being reactive to hotspots of concern. I think its the right approach. Wait until july until all over 18's have been offered the jab before opening up night clubs seems a very sensible strategy

[arista]

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[user104658]

people have been told repeatedly that they book holidays abroad at their own risk. Pleading ignorance doesn't work

Anyway, it seems to me the government want people to spend money at home rather than abroad, and we should ensure as much as possible that our own leisure industry recovers before flying off elsewhere

To be fair, it is ENTIRELY sensible, for multiple reasons... international tourism should be one of the very last things to return. I mean look at places like Australia and NZ that have been mostly trundling along OK throughout... a lot of that is BECAUSE they have such massive restrictions on travel. And have been able to have most of their own internal stuff continue as normal.

[Nicky91]

40.000 people at Wembley for euro2020 semi finals and final


and also audience at Wimbledon

[bots]

the thing is though, things like the delta variant will still get into the country whether there are border restrictions or not. All that restricting tourism does is slow its propagation down a bit. That may be beneficial because it gives us more time to react, but recent history shows that people don't give much of a crap about not spreading it, and any hope of curtailing a new variant will go completely out the window come july

Take the alpha variant as an example, all these countries closed their borders to the uk almost immediately, and europe still got swamped with it a month or 2 later

[user104658]

Take the alpha variant as an example, all these countries closed their borders to the uk almost immediately, and europe still got swamped with it a month or 2 later

Yes because the variant was obviously already active everywhere by the time it was identified. Closing borders reactively to new variants is never going to work because it's an "after the horse has bolted" situation... international travel should be massively reduced regardless over an extended time frame. Not "because we've identified variant ______", but simply on the assumption that there will be more.

[bots]

Yes because the variant was obviously already active everywhere by the time it was identified. Closing borders reactively to new variants is never going to work because it's an "after the horse has bolted" situation... international travel should be massively reduced regardless over an extended time frame. Not "because we've identified variant ______", but simply on the assumption that there will be more.

yeah, i agree with that, all this stuff that the uk should have closed borders earlier over delta was the same, we already had it, and because delta is so infectious it was inevitable we would have hot spots. No country should be considered safe until covid is wiped out, and thats not going to happen ever

[user104658]

yeah, i agree with that, all this stuff that the uk should have closed borders earlier over delta was the same, we already had it, and because delta is so infectious it was inevitable we would have hot spots. No country should be considered safe until covid is wiped out, and thats not going to happen ever

The things like "We only have 50 cases, close the borders!!" with new variants are a bit daft. If we have 50 identified cases of a new strain then we have hundreds if not more actual cases ... it's out there and it's going to spread.

It is a tough one really. I mean I give examples like Aus, but let's face it Australia has ALWAYS had slightly "isolationist" tendencies so simply shutting up shop was much more feasible for them.

[bots]

The things like "We only have 50 cases, close the borders!!" with new variants are a bit daft. If we have 50 identified cases of a new strain then we have hundreds if not more actual cases ... it's out there and it's going to spread.

It is a tough one really. I mean I give examples like Aus, but let's face it Australia has ALWAYS had slightly "isolationist" tendencies so simply shutting up shop was much more feasible for them.

australia have never been an international hub either, so we are just not comparing like with like. They also don't have anything like the population density that we have

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tuesdays usual recap of last week

throughout last week to now, 38% less cases than in the week before

in one week decreases the amount of positive tests a 100.000 people from 84 to 53


end of April that was (in age group 18-24) 500 a 100.000 people


the R-number is still below 1

[arista]

Tuesday 15/6/21

10 have Died
7,673 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,136

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
188


127,917 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Tuesday 8/6/21

13 Died
6,048 caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
957


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
148


127,854 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 15/6/21

10 have Died
7,673 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,136

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
188


127,917 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Strictly Jake]

So hospitalisations are almost up by 200

[Cherie]

So hospitalisations are almost up by 200

179 over the period of a week...I don’t think that’s bad especially as most are young and will come out of hospital :shrug:

PHE said today just 1% of hospital patients are covid related and most hospitalised are young

[Vanessa]

We're so lucky that deaths are remaining low.
Cases will go down once we finish the vaccination programme.

[user104658]

I don’t this far see the “huge surge” they keep referring to in terms of the lockdown? I’m not saying they’re wrong or that it isn’t in the pipeline but… where is it in the numbers?

There used to be a lot of measuring in terms of “doubling every X days” (2 days, 3 days etc) but current figures are going up by, roughly, 20% every 7 days… nothing like those old surges.

[Zizu]

179 over the period of a week...I don’t think that’s bad especially as most are young and will come out of hospital :shrug:

PHE said today just 1% of hospital patients are covid related and most hospitalised are young


They must still be very poorly though to be kept in hospital.. these days they send you home if ya leg is hanging off !!


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[Beso]

Full stadium at the Hungary Portugal game..fans fron both countries.

Cant see any masks either.

[Cherie]

They must still be very poorly though to be kept in hospital.. these days they send you home if ya leg is hanging off !!


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Douglas’s flatmate went in and was out a day later....

[Zizu]

Douglas’s flatmate went in and was out a day later....


Didn’t he just go in as a precaution ?
Wasn’t there a simple explanation for that fleeting visit ?


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[Cherie]

Didn’t he just go in as a precaution ?
Wasn’t there a simple explanation for that fleeting visit ?


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He had difficulty breathing and they sorted it

[Cherie]

I don’t this far see the “huge surge” they keep referring to in terms of the lockdown? I’m not saying they’re wrong or that it isn’t in the pipeline but… where is it in the numbers?

There used to be a lot of measuring in terms of “doubling every X days” (2 days, 3 days etc) but current figures are going up by, roughly, 20% every 7 days… nothing like those old surges.

I feel like they know the vaccine works but are peddling this 33% stat to frighten people into being double jabbed as quickly as possible...and they have bought time to get everyone at least one jab by the time restrictions are lifted

[bots]

i went out to my first bar tonight since 2019 .... and it was ****ing brilliant :dance:

[user104658]

Here's a fun thing that as far as I can tell bears little resemblance to the official guidance for isolating ...

... my youngest is now home until next Monday, not because she is a covid contact, but because ... "someone she MIGHT have been in contact with at school MIGHT have been in contact with someone who has now tested positive".

:umm2:

This wasn't even the guidance back when schools first reopened last year! Person testing positive isolates and contacts isolate... right? Since when do contacts-of-contacts isolate?

But then, they're not even saying to isolate. Just that the class is to stay off school. They can still leave the house as normal.

Bizarre.

[DouglasS]

He had difficulty breathing and they sorted it

Yeah he was not even there for 12 hours! I imagine a lot of the hospitilisations are not serious / life threatening, especially with deaths being low

[arista]

Here's a fun thing that as far as I can tell bears little resemblance to the official guidance for isolating ...

... my youngest is now home until next Monday, not because she is a covid contact, but because ... "someone she MIGHT have been in contact with at school MIGHT have been in contact with someone who has now tested positive".

:umm2:

This wasn't even the guidance back when schools first reopened last year! Person testing positive isolates and contacts isolate... right? Since when do contacts-of-contacts isolate?

But then, they're not even saying to isolate. Just that the class is to stay off school. They can still leave the house as normal.

Bizarre.


Yes The Left Winger 10AM show
on LBC yesterday.
He Changed his show as his 2 Teen kids sent home because
of Covid contacts.
He got loads of Callers all in the same position,
Kids sent home because someone "might " have been in contact
with Covid-19?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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[arista]

Yes the Delta Variant
is spreading faster

[Nicky91]

Full stadium at the Hungary Portugal game..fans fron both countries.

Cant see any masks either.

yeah so


you'll also see that at the semi finals and final in Wembley, 40.000 people

[Cherie]

Yeah he was not even there for 12 hours! I imagine a lot of the hospitilisations are not serious / life threatening, especially with deaths being low

and he would have counted as a hospital admission

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: more nations from Orange to Yellow

Cyprus, Croatia (apart from northern region of capital Zagreb), Liechtenstein, Switzerland

also for the Greek islands in the Aegean Sea like Kos, Mykonos, Rhodos



Iceland, Romania, Poland even better from Yellow to Green

[Cherie]

Remdesivir the drug Trump lauded as saving him and everyone scoffed at has been approved by the NHS :laugh:

[Cherie]

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SKY are such doom mongers :joker:

[Cherie]

i went out to my first bar tonight since 2019 .... and it was ****ing brilliant :dance:

hic

[Ammi]

Remdesivir the drug Trump lauded as saving him and everyone scoffed at has been approved by the NHS :laugh:

…where is this reported, Cherie…?…I can’t find the articles…

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210615/explained-the-new-rules-on-masks-that-come-into-force-next-week/

Germany: new rules on masks that comes into force next week

Several German states announced on Tuesday that they were relaxing rules on mandatory mask wearing. We break down what the new rules are state-by-state.

Baden-Württemberg has confirmed that it will relax the obligation to wear masks in schools.

The relaxations will only apply in districts where the seven-day incidence of infection is below 35 cases per 100,000 and there has been no outbreak at the school for two weeks. If that is the case, masks will no longer be required “in classes in all types of schools,” state health minister Manne Lucha said in Stuttgart on Tuesday.

The new rules will come into effect at the end of next week.

Lucha raised the possibility of relaxing the mask-wearing rules in other areas, such as outside in public spaces, in well-ventilated train stations and at bus stops but stopped short of making a specific commitment.

State leader Winfried Kretschmann suggested that the south-western state would move slowly on ending mask-wearing rules. Warning that ending the rules too quickly could end in a fourth wave of infections, he said: “Let’s not be cocky, otherwise we will pay bitterly.”

The southern state of Bavaria has no immediate plans to relax its rules on masks. “I advise restraint here,” said state leader Markus Söder on Monday in Munich.

Arguing that “premature relaxations have proven to be a mistake in the past,” Söder said “we shouldn’t always disregard everything when the skies clear up.”

Nonetheless, in the state capital of Munich, the requirement to wear masks in the inner city was ended on June 9th.

Berlin has decided to end some of its mask-wearing rules. In the capital, masks will no longer have to be worn on the pavements of shopping streets and in busy squares, as has been mandatory since late last year. Masks still have to be worn in outdoor areas where social distancing isn’t possible.

Masks will also no longer be required outdoors at the zoo, Berlin’s Senate decided on Tuesday.

But there will be no change to the rules for buses and trains: FFP2 masks will continue to be a requirement on public transport.

The rules in the capital still have to be confirmed but are set to change early next week.

In view of low infection rates in the north of the country, the Hamburg senate has loosened its mask rules. Outdoor mask wearing will now only be required on the weekend in crowded areas.

The port city will keep hold of its mask rules at weekly markets and indoors as well as on public transport.

In the north-eastern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, masks will no longer be required outdoors as of next week. The rule change was confirmed by state leader Manuela Schwesig on Tuesday, who also said that tourists would now only need to present a negative test upon arrival in the state, which is a popular summer vacation destination.

In North Rhine-Westphalia, the state government has relaxed the rules on wearing masks in public transport. From now on a medical mask will suffice where once an FFP2 mask was necessary. Germany’s most populous state has also ended the requirement for children to wear masks inside the classroom.

As of next Monday masks will no longer be required in classrooms in any school in Rhineland-Palatinate. State education minister Stefanie Hubig confirmed the move to DPA on Tuesday.

Hubig said though that masks would have to be worn on the way to the classroom. Meanwhile, the new rule is only valid as long as the seven-day incidence of infection remains below a value of 35, she added.

[Zizu]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210615/explained-the-new-rules-on-masks-that-come-into-force-next-week/

Germany: new rules on masks that comes into force next week

Several German states announced on Tuesday that they were relaxing rules on mandatory mask wearing. We break down what the new rules are state-by-state.

Baden-Württemberg has confirmed that it will relax the obligation to wear masks in schools.

The relaxations will only apply in districts where the seven-day incidence of infection is below 35 cases per 100,000 and there has been no outbreak at the school for two weeks. If that is the case, masks will no longer be required “in classes in all types of schools,” state health minister Manne Lucha said in Stuttgart on Tuesday.

The new rules will come into effect at the end of next week.

Lucha raised the possibility of relaxing the mask-wearing rules in other areas, such as outside in public spaces, in well-ventilated train stations and at bus stops but stopped short of making a specific commitment.

State leader Winfried Kretschmann suggested that the south-western state would move slowly on ending mask-wearing rules. Warning that ending the rules too quickly could end in a fourth wave of infections, he said: “Let’s not be cocky, otherwise we will pay bitterly.”

The southern state of Bavaria has no immediate plans to relax its rules on masks. “I advise restraint here,” said state leader Markus Söder on Monday in Munich.

Arguing that “premature relaxations have proven to be a mistake in the past,” Söder said “we shouldn’t always disregard everything when the skies clear up.”

Nonetheless, in the state capital of Munich, the requirement to wear masks in the inner city was ended on June 9th.

Berlin has decided to end some of its mask-wearing rules. In the capital, masks will no longer have to be worn on the pavements of shopping streets and in busy squares, as has been mandatory since late last year. Masks still have to be worn in outdoor areas where social distancing isn’t possible.

Masks will also no longer be required outdoors at the zoo, Berlin’s Senate decided on Tuesday.

But there will be no change to the rules for buses and trains: FFP2 masks will continue to be a requirement on public transport.

The rules in the capital still have to be confirmed but are set to change early next week.

In view of low infection rates in the north of the country, the Hamburg senate has loosened its mask rules. Outdoor mask wearing will now only be required on the weekend in crowded areas.

The port city will keep hold of its mask rules at weekly markets and indoors as well as on public transport.

In the north-eastern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, masks will no longer be required outdoors as of next week. The rule change was confirmed by state leader Manuela Schwesig on Tuesday, who also said that tourists would now only need to present a negative test upon arrival in the state, which is a popular summer vacation destination.

In North Rhine-Westphalia, the state government has relaxed the rules on wearing masks in public transport. From now on a medical mask will suffice where once an FFP2 mask was necessary. Germany’s most populous state has also ended the requirement for children to wear masks inside the classroom.

As of next Monday masks will no longer be required in classrooms in any school in Rhineland-Palatinate. State education minister Stefanie Hubig confirmed the move to DPA on Tuesday.

Hubig said though that masks would have to be worn on the way to the classroom. Meanwhile, the new rule is only valid as long as the seven-day incidence of infection remains below a value of 35, she added.


Getting the pupils to wear masks in school is virtually impossible to enforce and it has been a nightmare in our high school - still probably one of the worst hit areas in the whole country - infections wise

Currently I’d guess it’s 50/50 split of mask wearers in the corridors but a higher % in class situations where it’s easier to enforce


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[Cherie]

…where is this reported, Cherie…?…I can’t find the articles…

I can't find a link yet either, it has been on LBC news, will post as soon as I find one

here it is

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/15/antibody-covid-cocktail-taken-donald-trump-rolled-nhs/

[bots]

…where is this reported, Cherie…?…I can’t find the articles…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57488150 :douf:

[Ammi]

I can't find a link yet either, it has been on LBC news, will post as soon as I find one

…yeah no worries, I was just trying to find it because I wasn’t aware of the drug and I couldn’t find anything updated since WHO opposed it last September time…sometimes I feel that news can be a little slower to reach the internet when we used to always hear it here first…

[Ammi]

I can't find a link yet either, it has been on LBC news, will post as soon as I find one

here it is

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/15/antibody-covid-cocktail-taken-donald-trump-rolled-nhs/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57488150 :douf:

…gosh, you wait for links all day long and then two come at once…isn’t that always the way, the bus links we’ll call them…thank you, thank you both of you…:love:…I’ll have a read of them both…

[bots]

"For every 100 patients treated, experts calculate, it would save six lives."

So its useful but i don't think it classifies as ground breaking. You cant get the treatment if you have been vaccinated as you already have antibodies

[user104658]

"For every 100 patients treated, experts calculate, it would save six lives."

Hmm more info needed on that stat. Does it mean that 94 of the treated patients would die and 6 wold survive, or would MOST be likely to survive anyway and 6-more-than-before survive. Because that completely alters the effectiveness.

At face value if they would otherwise have all died it's 6% effective... but if only 20 would have died of the 100 but now only 14 die it's 30% effective. And of course, if 94 would have recovered and now all recover, it's 100% effective.

[bots]

Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and AstraZeneca Plc are highly effective after two doses at preventing hospitalization of those infected with the delta variant, underscoring the urgency in getting people fully protected, according to health authorities in England.

The Pfizer and BioNTech SE shot is 96% effective against hospitalization after two doses, while the AstraZeneca and University of Oxford Covid inoculation is 92% effective, according to an analysis announced Monday by Public Health England. Those results are comparable with the protection offered against the alpha variant, which first emerged in Britain, the data show.

[Vanessa]

Im in Broadstairs today.
It's beautiful!
The beach isn't too crowded, so I'm happy.
Margate must be packed. Most people got off there.

[arista]

Im in Broadstairs today.
It's beautiful!
The beach isn't too crowded, so I'm happy.
Margate must be packed. Most people got off there.


Thats Good


https://www.visitbroadstairs.co.uk/

[arista]

1405133218441957382


France taking a gamble

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers (daily new cases and new deaths to follow bit later on)

1.040 new cases 18 less than yesterday

605 total hospitalisations 14 Less than Yesterday

366 total on the nursing wards 29 Less than yesterday

239 total ICU patients 11 Less than yesterday

4 new deaths 1 more than yesterday but still 4 less than the average of 8 new deaths the week before

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: face mask compulsory no longer as of June 26th, also no longer the advice to work from home as much as possible

both of which for places where 1.5 metre distancing is possible


face mask compulsory for public transport remains, as for face masks in supermarket a decision will come on friday


with no longer the advice to work from home, people will be encouraged to go back to work whenever there is 1.5 metre distancing possible

[Cherie]

Netherlands: face mask compulsory no longer as of June 26th, also no longer the advice to work from home as much as possible

both of which for places where 1.5 metre distancing is possible


face mask compulsory for public transport remains, as for face masks in supermarket a decision will come on friday


with no longer the advice to work from home, people will be encouraged to go back to work whenever there is 1.5 metre distancing possible



This won’t be popular :laugh:

[Nicky91]

so Delta variant symptoms are similar to normal cold :think:


also it might be in my nation, among age group of 13-19, which our RIVM/OMT are looking into

[arista]

1405162046015090693

[Zizu]

I’m seeing and hearing this idea that Covid19 was indeed created in a lab.

This idea was mentioned 15 months ago but it’s now back in the discussion.

I did hear a specialist bacteriologist saying last week that THIS pandemic is noticeably different than ANY other pandemic... he mentioned that it’s supposedly presenting as a synthetic virus


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[arista]

The Health Secretary
is now in Parliament
bringing in the new rules
for Care homes all staff must be vaccinated

SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD

[arista]

Weds 16/6/16

9 Have Died
9,055 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,177

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
206


127,926 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Wednesday 9/6/21

6 Died
7,540 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,024

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
154


127,860 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Note The Total Deaths has come down

Weds 16/6/16

9 Have Died
9,055 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,177

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
206


127,926 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


.

[Zizu]

Some good news ... maybe .

###

Sky News

A new drug to treat COVID has been described as "very exciting" in its ability to lessen the effects of the virus in seriously ill people.

It uses a therapy called monoclonal antibodies - artificially manufactured proteins that prevent the virus attacking the body.

What are monoclonal antibodies?

Monoclonal antibodies have been around for a while, used to treat other diseases like cancer.

Once introduced to the body, they stick to antigens - proteins on the outside of a cell, bacteria or other molecular structure like a virus, capable of causing disease.


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[Zizu]

.


Mmm
Week on week

Infections up 20%
Hospitalisations up 10%
Patients on ventilators up 33% !!

( rough % - calculator not used )


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[arista]

Some good news ... maybe .

###

Sky News

A new drug to treat COVID has been described as "very exciting" in its ability to lessen the effects of the virus in seriously ill people.

It uses a therapy called monoclonal antibodies - artificially manufactured proteins that prevent the virus attacking the body.

What are monoclonal antibodies?

Monoclonal antibodies have been around for a while, used to treat other diseases like cancer.

Once introduced to the body, they stick to antigens - proteins on the outside of a cell, bacteria or other molecular structure like a virus, capable of causing disease.




Yes the mix used on Trump
that fixed his Covid-19

[Vanessa]

Weds 16/6/16

9 Have Died
9,055 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,177

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
206


127,926 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Deaths are staying low, which is brilliant news.

[Zizu]

Deaths are staying low, which is brilliant news.


Guess that’s the key issue ... unless we’re left with hundreds of thousands of long Covid victims living with the effects for years to come .


Incidentally the ‘death’ figures we refer to are those who so sadly die within 28 days ..

What are the stats for all the Covid deaths including those longer than 28 days .

These poor people are just as important surely .


Why are we only counting the ones that die within 28 days anyways - sounds ludicrous tbh


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[Zizu]

Breaking News

MPs have voted 461 to 60 to extend regulations that delay the easing of coronavirus restrictions in England from 21 June to 19 July

For more on this and other news visit


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[arista]

Breaking News

MPs have voted 461 to 60 to extend regulations that delay the easing of coronavirus restrictions in England from 21 June to 19 July

For more on this and other news visit




Of course Labour and Conservative
Voted for it.

No way could a some Conservatives stop it

[user104658]

Guess that’s the key issue ... unless we’re left with hundreds of thousands of long Covid victims living with the effects for years to come .

I mean... there is increasing evidence that the vast majority of "long covid" doesn't actually exist and/or is partially psychosomatic. Did you know that it's reported far more often in the UK than anywhere else in the world - and there are large crossovers with CFS/ME?


Incidentally the ‘death’ figures we refer to are those who so sadly die within 28 days ..

What are the stats for all the Covid deaths including those longer than 28 days .

These poor people are just as important surely .


Why are we only counting the ones that die within 28 days anyways - sounds ludicrous tbh

Because from test to death is almost always faster than 28 days, if there is going to be a death. A very small number may hold out longer, but that number will be much smaller than the number that artificially inflates deaths in the UK (that any death after a positive test counts, so some of those deaths will actually NOT be from Covid).

[arista]

Ch4HDnews reports on India
the new Black Fungus disease is getting worse.

They have a Lack of Anti Fungal drugs

[Zizu]

I mean... there is increasing evidence that the vast majority of "long covid" doesn't actually exist and/or is partially psychosomatic. Did you know that it's reported far more often in the UK than anywhere else in the world - and there are large crossovers with CFS/ME?




Because from test to death is almost always faster than 28 days, if there is going to be a death. A very small number may hold out longer, but that number will be much smaller than the number that artificially inflates deaths in the UK (that any death after a positive test counts, so some of those deaths will actually NOT be from Covid).


Interesting , thanks ..

I just presumed there’d be far more numbers than we know about given they catch Covid , then get poorly and then around day ten - sometimes need hospitalisation for a while and then maybe move onto ventilation for quite some time ??

How does all that fit into 28 days ?


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[user104658]

Interesting , thanks ..

I just presumed there’d be far more numbers than we know about given they catch Covid , then get poorly and then around day ten - sometimes need hospitalisation for a while and then maybe move onto ventilation for quite some time ??

How does all that fit into 28 days ?


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I think things tend to progress to the ventilator stage relatively quickly, if they're going to get that bad at all. That's based on what I remember them saying way back in the first wave though.

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/16/21/44316407-0-image-a-48_1623877023216.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9694403/Shock-plans-work-home-forever-Ministers-propose-make-illegal-forced-office.html

[arista]

[Covid: Ryanair and Manchester Airports Group
take legal action over travel traffic light system]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57505736


[Ryanair and the owner of Manchester, London Stansted
and East Midlands airports are to launch
a legal challenge against the government
over the travel traffic light system.
They call for more transparency about
how the government decides which countries qualify
for the green list of safe places to visit amid the pandemic.

The BBC understands it has the backing
of other major UK airlines.
Ministers say the system
"cautiously manages the risk of new variants".

The traffic light system rates countries green,
amber or red based on their Covid risk.

Travellers to countries rated green will
not need to isolate on their return,
but they will need to take a Covid test before and after their trip.

Arrivals from amber countries will need
to quarantine, while red-list countries have
the strictest rules, with only UK or Irish nationals,
or UK residents, allowed to return - and they must
pay for a 10-day stay in a government quarantine hotel.]

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[Cherie]

What’s the thinking behind wfh forever :suspect:

[bots]

if business can operate effectively with most employees working from home, it saves them a shed load in overheads, i'm sure they will be all for that

[AnnieK]

A lot of my client's at work have told us they have no plans to return to the office. Productivity and job satisfaction is up, absence due to sickness and lateness is down, profit is up due to lower overheads so I can see why for some companies it would be a bonus to retain WFH for a long time.

However, it's not for everyone. I don't like working at home, I don't personally think I'm anywhere near as productive and I miss the interaction with colleagues massively but it would be nice to have the choice if my son was sick say or during holidays. He's at an age where he entertains himself and doesn't need looking after but is too young to be left alone for the whole day so the option would be good.

I don't think it should be a forced thing by the Gov onto businesses though, it should be looked at on a case by case basis and the decision taken in the interests of the company and its employees.

[user104658]

What’s the thinking behind wfh forever :suspect:


It seems to be talking about enshrining the “right” to request to WFH in law, and presumably stops companies from refusing it without a good reason.

The company I work for has already decided to go this route voluntarily and has made it permanent that people can choose to work from home whenever we want. It was already part of my contract from the start pre-Covid but I was a special boy back then :hee:. It’s basically just my arrangement expanded out for everyone.

Interestingly enough though, most people CHOOSE to be in the office about 50% of the time, Sinai don’t think it’s going to lead to dead cities and everyone working from home all the time.

I’d go in more and probably will at some point. Currently limited by childcare.

[user104658]

A lot of my client's at work have told us they have no plans to return to the office. Productivity and job satisfaction is up, absence due to sickness and lateness is down, profit is up due to lower overheads so I can see why for some companies it would be a bonus to retain WFH for a long time.

I can definitely see why sickness leave is down. Sometimes if you’re just feeling “a bit off” you don’t feel at all up to getting showered, dressed, and out to sit at a desk all day so would call in sick - but you’re not SICK sick, just a bit run down, and could still happily plonk in the couch with a laptop and get in with a few things. I think I’d have to be properly bedridden to call in sick these days… otherwise I’d just let them know I’m not 100% so they know to expect a slower pace than usual. Then sit on here all day arguing about Meghan Markle and answering the occasional email and Teams message.

…….like most days…….

……

[Ammi]

I can definitely see why sickness leave is down. Sometimes if you’re just feeling “a bit off” you don’t feel at all up to getting showered, dressed, and out to sit at a desk all day so would call in sick - but you’re not SICK sick, just a bit run down, and could still happily plonk in the couch with a laptop and get in with a few things. I think I’d have to be properly bedridden to call in sick these days… otherwise I’d just let them know I’m not 100% so they know to expect a slower pace than usual. Then sit on here all day arguing about Meghan Markle and answering the occasional email and Teams message.

…….like most days…….

……


…it was always often the thing anyway …(…depending on the job obviously…)…that people were genuinely not feeling great so would arrange to go home…but would look at what they could do from home because it’s more at an own pace that fits with how they’re feeling and their energy levels …‘I’ll go and work from home today or I’ll stay and work from home today…’…was always a thing for those were it was a feasible option…also because if full salary was paid for sickness, some always felt that it was a fair compromise to do what their illness allowed…

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Janssen/J&J vaccine for everyone available as of June 23rd



german vaccine CureVac for 47% effective