Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[joeysteele]

...yeah, I was about to say...:laugh:...it’s worldwide compliance of all countries the WHO are hoping for to ensure that each country are able to vaccinate their health workers and vulnerable/high risk etc...which seems the logical and most life preserving thing to do, I would say...

Yes it is.
This I can go along with completely.

[Nicky91]

Australia: audience is welcome at the Australian Open, 30.000 people a day, spread across the multiple venues, socially distanced

the coronavirus there seems to be under control at the moment

30.000 is a lot less than normal still (normally you got like 800.000 people in audiences)


still whoever enters the country requires 14 days (2 weeks) in quarantaine, on own costs


the tournament starts 8th February

[Cherie]

Health chiefs in the London borough with some of the highest Covid-19 infection rates in the country today warned they were facing a “significant” problem from people refusing the vaccine.

Newham has the second largest number of coronavirus cases in London with 1,406.3 per 100,000 people. It has seen 442 coronavirus-related deaths registered up until January 1 and almost 5,000 new cases were recorded last week.

But Jason Strelitz, director of public health in Newham, said local NHS staff had become concerned about the “uptake and pace” of the vaccine rollout since it started in December.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/covid-vaccine-newham-london-numbers-b871758.html

[Zizu]

Australia: audience is welcome at the Australian Open, 30.000 people a day, spread across the multiple venues, socially distanced

the coronavirus there seems to be under control at the moment

30.000 is a lot less than normal still (normally you got like 800.000 people in audiences)


still whoever enters the country requires 14 days (2 weeks) in quarantaine, on own costs


the tournament starts 8th February



Imagine if they get another wave all from a sporting event though


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[Vanessa]

I think first we need to vaccinate all our vulnerable categories.
Then we may able to help other countries who need it.

[Nicky91]

Imagine if they get another wave all from a sporting event though


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??

these are venues which can easily manage up to 800.000 people, so the 30.000 over 3 or 4 venues is still a small amount and can easily be managed with social distancing

[arista]

Health chiefs in the London borough with some of the highest Covid-19 infection rates in the country today warned they were facing a “significant” problem from people refusing the vaccine.

Newham has the second largest number of coronavirus cases in London with 1,406.3 per 100,000 people. It has seen 442 coronavirus-related deaths registered up until January 1 and almost 5,000 new cases were recorded last week.

But Jason Strelitz, director of public health in Newham, said local NHS staff had become concerned about the “uptake and pace” of the vaccine rollout since it started in December.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/covid-vaccine-newham-london-numbers-b871758.html


Yes Cherie
I record NewsnightHD BBC2 (Thurs)
on Thursday their reporter with a long mic
on a light pole spoke to many

One strange lady said the Vaccine is to eliminate people?



Many getting rubbish on facebook
and other social media.

[user104658]

There shouldn't be any question of supply issues, there should be a gargantuan global pot of money being funnelled into massive production facilities on every continent. The fact that we're relying on the capitalist model for vaccine purchase/manufacture/supply & distribution is utterly insane.

[Ammi]

There shouldn't be any question of supply issues, there should be a gargantuan global pot of money being funnelled into massive production facilities on every continent. The fact that we're relying on the capitalist model for vaccine purchase/manufacture/supply & distribution is utterly insane.

..perfectly said, the world organisations and governments need to get together with this to ensure that vulnerable/high risk are vaccinated globally, rather than the squabbling that’s been happening...

[Cherie]

The World Health Organization (WHO) has criticised the EU's announcement of export controls on vaccines produced within the bloc, saying such measures risked prolonging the pandemic.
The EU introduced the measure amid a row with vaccine manufacturers over delivery shortfalls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540

[Cherie]

There shouldn't be any question of supply issues, there should be a gargantuan global pot of money being funnelled into massive production facilities on every continent. The fact that we're relying on the capitalist model for vaccine purchase/manufacture/supply & distribution is utterly insane.

Isn’t that what Covax has been set up to do?

[Nicky91]

The World Health Organization (WHO) has criticised the EU's announcement of export controls on vaccines produced within the bloc, saying such measures risked prolonging the pandemic.
The EU introduced the measure amid a row with vaccine manufacturers over delivery shortfalls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540

as if the WHO are soo perfect

look at yourselves first before criticizing others

[Cherie]

as if the WHO are soo perfect

look at yourselves first before criticizing others

:laugh: I’m just posting news Nicky, what should I be looking at

I am a remainer btw but that stunt is embarrassing

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1355458128872144897

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.211 new cases (again really lower than the week average)

196 new hospitalisations (2.240 in total) same amount new as yesterday

29 new ICU patients (7 less than yesterday), (640 in total)

88 new deaths (week average of this week is 65)

[arista]

1,200 Deaths Today from Covid-19

23,275 Caught Covid-19 today.


Patients in hospital
Latest available
34,783

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,832

105,571 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtBHg5MXMAMIl64?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E29E/production/_116741085_observer-nc.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15378/production/_116740968_mirror-nc.png

[joeysteele]

There shouldn't be any question of supply issues, there should be a gargantuan global pot of money being funnelled into massive production facilities on every continent. The fact that we're relying on the capitalist model for vaccine purchase/manufacture/supply & distribution is utterly insane.

Absolutely right this.

[arista]

1355679475418198020

[arista]

Sarah is Gove MP 's Wife. (for any that do not know)


[Sarah Vine: A plague on the airheads laughing
at our lockdown misery from Dubai]

[What's the collective noun for a 'celebrity influencer'?
A pout? A preen? A freebie? An airbrush?
Any or all would do, I'd say.
I would probably settle for a vacuum, on the basis
that nothing fits the description of a space devoid
of matter quite as well as this
breed of glossy, self-obsessed airheads.

They were everywhere last week after the
Government introduced a two-week quarantine
for travellers returning from Dubai,
which is the natural habitat of the common-or-garden
British influencer.
Makes sense, I suppose: Dubai is an overpriced, artificial city
wholly devoid of the slightest scintilla of culture.
In other words, celebrity influencer heaven.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9205773/SARAH-VINE-plague-airheads-laughing-lockdown-misery-Dubai.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/30/23/38680908-9205773-image-m-25_1612047667580.jpg

[Cherie]

More fool the people influenced by them

[rusticgal]

so we should just accept how you british take all of our vaccines


so now we cannot vaccinate our people :bawling: all thx to UK


The Early bird catches the worm.....We got our order in early Nicky...you think European countries would start sharing theirs with the UK had the shoe been on the other foot?....I think not...especially judging by their recent behaviour.

[arista]

Sunday 31st/1/21

Today 587 have died.

21,088 Have Caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
34,783

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,832


106,158 total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Capt. Tom Moore
has Covid-19
Now in Hospital

[AnnieK]

Capt. Tom Moore
has Covid-19
Now in Hospital

Aw, I just read this. Hope he gets well soon. According to his family, he needed some help with his breathing but he is not, as yet, in ICU.:fc: for a fast recovery

[Zizu]

Capt. Tom Moore
has Covid-19
Now in Hospital



Surely he was one of the first to be vaccinated??

I actually thought they would have done him first for a few reasons


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[arista]

Surely he was one of the first to be vaccinated??

I actually thought they would have done him first for a few reasons



No he was not

His Daughter says he is not in intensive care.

[arista]

World Covid Numbers

102,741,314 Cases

1,223,759 Deaths

56,918,309 Recoveries

Johns Hopkins University

Shown on TRTworldHD news.

[DouglasS]

wUVZlEzN7mY

[Zizu]

Loads of illegal parties/gatherings closed down over the weekend !!

Why don’t they simply name , shame and put their faces / photos on the news , newspapers, local radio stations and supermarket walls ..


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[Zizu]

Thoughts on this

:::::

In the early weeks of the coronavirus pandemic, clinical radiologist Ali Gholamrezanezhad began to notice that some people who had cleared their COVID-19 infection still had distinct signs of damage. “Unfortunately, sometimes the scar never goes away,” he says.

Gholamrezanezhad, at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, and his team started tracking patients in January using computed tomography (CT) scanning to study their lungs. They followed up on 33 of them more than a month later, and their as-yet-unpublished data suggest that more than one-third had tissue death that has led to visible scars. The team plans to follow the group for several years.
...
Evidence from people infected with other coronaviruses suggests that the damage will linger for some. A study3 published in February recorded long-term lung harm from SARS, which is caused by SARS-CoV-1. Between 2003 and 2018, Peixun Zhang at Peking University People’s Hospital in Beijing and his colleagues tracked the health of 71 people who had been hospitalized with SARS. Even after 15 years, 4.6% still had visible lesions on their lungs, and 38% had reduced diffusion capacity, meaning that their lungs were poor at transferring oxygen into the blood and removing carbon dioxide from it.

One of the craved answers scientists seek is the fate of COVID-19 patients’ lungs, but studies and doctors’ experiences so far don’t paint too bright a picture.

“I don’t know who needs to hear this, but ‘post-COVID’ lungs look worse than ANY type of terrible smoker’s lungs we’ve ever seen,” Texas trauma surgeon Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall wrote in a Jan. 4 tweet that has garnered over 7,000 “likes.”

“And they collapse. And they clot off. And the shortness of breath lingers on... & on... & on “ .... she added.

Studies have showed it may cause lasting heart problems too; to about 20% of who had it, even among the asymptomatic ones.


Some Covid survivors have presented with schizophrenia symptoms after they recovered.

A shocking number of COVID-19 survivors have been diagnosed with neurological issues
ScienceAlert Latest|January 29, 2021

https://www.mdlinx.com/news/a-shocking-


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[arista]

Worldwide Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000 Deaths

440,942 USA deaths
223,945 Brazil deaths
158,074 Mexico deaths
154,274 India deaths
106,367 United Kingdom deaths
88,516 Italy deaths
76,201 France deaths
72,029 Russia deaths
58,319 Spain deaths
57,959 Iran deaths
57,163 Germany deaths
53,650 Colombia deaths
47,931 Argentina deaths
44,164 South Africa deaths
40,857 Peru deaths
37,180 Poland deaths
29,998 Indonesia deaths
25,993 Turkey deaths
23,860 Ukraine deaths
21,066 Belgium deaths
19,997 Canada deaths
18,452 Chile deaths
18,335 Romania deaths
16,308 Czechia deaths
14,859 Ecuador deaths
14,108 Netherlands deaths
13,047 Iraq deaths
12,524 Hungary deaths
12,482 Portugal deaths
11,657 Pakistan deaths
11,591 Sweden deaths
10,749 Philippines deaths
10,330 Bolivia deaths





https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Zizu]

Worldwide Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000 Deaths

440,942 USA deaths
223,945 Brazil deaths
158,074 Mexico deaths
154,274 India deaths
106,367 United Kingdom deaths
88,516 Italy deaths
76,201 France deaths
72,029 Russia deaths
58,319 Spain deaths
57,959 Iran deaths
57,163 Germany deaths
53,650 Colombia deaths
47,931 Argentina deaths
44,164 South Africa deaths
40,857 Peru deaths
37,180 Poland deaths
29,998 Indonesia deaths
25,993 Turkey deaths
23,860 Ukraine deaths
21,066 Belgium deaths
19,997 Canada deaths
18,452 Chile deaths
18,335 Romania deaths
16,308 Czechia deaths
14,859 Ecuador deaths
14,108 Netherlands deaths
13,047 Iraq deaths
12,524 Hungary deaths
12,482 Portugal deaths
11,657 Pakistan deaths
11,591 Sweden deaths
10,749 Philippines deaths
10,330 Bolivia deaths





https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


Didn’t Sweden just carry on as normal yet still only have 10,000 deaths. ?


They have a 5th of our population but a 10th of our deaths ?!?

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[Cherie]

Didn’t Sweden just carry on as normal yet still only have 10,000 deaths. ?


They have a 5th of our population but a 10th of our deaths ?!?

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Some of these figures are very suspect..Germany have nearly overtaken Spain ...like literally no way with their infection rate the death count is that low, Spain that is

Germany have over doubled their death rate in the second wave and Spain’s not moved at all hardly

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/96AE/production/_116747583_guardian-nc.png

[Nicky91]

Some of these figures are very suspect..Germany have nearly overtaken Spain ...like literally no way with their infection rate the death count is that low, Spain that is

Germany have over doubled their death rate in the second wave and Spain’s not moved at all hardly

could've been way worse if it weren't for the extreme strict measures such as regional travel bans

https://www.thelocal.de/20210129/german-panel-keeps-advice-against-astrazeneca-jabs-for-over-65s

keeps advice against astrazeneca for over 65's, they rather use other vaccines for them then

https://www.thelocal.de/20210129/how-people-in-germany-have-embraced-new-medical-mask-rules

https://www.thelocal.de/20210129/german-health-minister-hopeful-that-way-out-of-the-pandemic-has-begun

but on positive note, most german people have embraced the new FFP2 medical mask rules, and their health minister is hopeful the way out of the pandemic has started

[Ammi]

British tourists among 96 foreigners caught breaching lockdown rules at Austrian ski resort...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-tourists-among-96-foreigners-161639438.html

[Mystic Mock]

Thoughts on this

:::::

In the early weeks of the coronavirus pandemic, clinical radiologist Ali Gholamrezanezhad began to notice that some people who had cleared their COVID-19 infection still had distinct signs of damage. “Unfortunately, sometimes the scar never goes away,” he says.

Gholamrezanezhad, at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, and his team started tracking patients in January using computed tomography (CT) scanning to study their lungs. They followed up on 33 of them more than a month later, and their as-yet-unpublished data suggest that more than one-third had tissue death that has led to visible scars. The team plans to follow the group for several years.
...
Evidence from people infected with other coronaviruses suggests that the damage will linger for some. A study3 published in February recorded long-term lung harm from SARS, which is caused by SARS-CoV-1. Between 2003 and 2018, Peixun Zhang at Peking University People’s Hospital in Beijing and his colleagues tracked the health of 71 people who had been hospitalized with SARS. Even after 15 years, 4.6% still had visible lesions on their lungs, and 38% had reduced diffusion capacity, meaning that their lungs were poor at transferring oxygen into the blood and removing carbon dioxide from it.

One of the craved answers scientists seek is the fate of COVID-19 patients’ lungs, but studies and doctors’ experiences so far don’t paint too bright a picture.

“I don’t know who needs to hear this, but ‘post-COVID’ lungs look worse than ANY type of terrible smoker’s lungs we’ve ever seen,” Texas trauma surgeon Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall wrote in a Jan. 4 tweet that has garnered over 7,000 “likes.”

“And they collapse. And they clot off. And the shortness of breath lingers on... & on... & on “ .... she added.

Studies have showed it may cause lasting heart problems too; to about 20% of who had it, even among the asymptomatic ones.


Some Covid survivors have presented with schizophrenia symptoms after they recovered.

A shocking number of COVID-19 survivors have been diagnosed with neurological issues
ScienceAlert Latest|January 29, 2021

https://www.mdlinx.com/news/a-shocking-


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That article sounds lovely.:laugh:

Interesting information to know though.

[Cherie]

British tourists among 96 foreigners caught breaching lockdown rules at Austrian ski resort...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-tourists-among-96-foreigners-161639438.html

I saw this on the Irish news at the weekend

Among others Britons, Danes, Swedes, Romanians, Germans, Australians, Irish people and Poles were checked and reported,” police said in a statement.

I don't understand what they were doing there if the hotels are closed

[Cherie]

could've been way worse if it weren't for the extreme strict measures such as regional travel bans

https://www.thelocal.de/20210129/german-panel-keeps-advice-against-astrazeneca-jabs-for-over-65s

keeps advice against astrazeneca for over 65's, they rather use other vaccines for them then

https://www.thelocal.de/20210129/how-people-in-germany-have-embraced-new-medical-mask-rules

https://www.thelocal.de/20210129/german-health-minister-hopeful-that-way-out-of-the-pandemic-has-begun

but on positive note, most german people have embraced the new FFP2 medical mask rules, and their health minister is hopeful the way out of the pandemic has started



I wasn't commenting on Germany Nicky, I was simply saying it was odd that Spains death rate has moved so little that Germany are now almost on par, its all a bit odd!

[Nicky91]

I wasn't commenting on Germany Nicky, I was simply saying it was odd that Spains death rate has moved so little that Germany are now almost on par, its all a bit odd!

yes it is odd, as far as i know Spain has lesser strict measures than Germany, so i would also think their numbers would be much higher

[Ammi]

Door-to-door testing for South Africa variant launched in Surrey after cases found with no travel links...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-surge-testing-launched-surrey-south-africa-variant-121933814.html

[Cherie]

Door-to-door testing for South Africa variant launched in Surrey after cases found with no travel links...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-surge-testing-launched-surrey-south-africa-variant-121933814.html

yes wasn't there a similar case where the UK variant was found in Spain but no travel or contact links

at least they seem to be going all out to find anyone with it in the area

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/primary-schools-daycare-will-reopen-on-february-8-minister-confirms/

Netherlands: primary schools to reopen on february 8th

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/curfew-will-be-lifted-if-positive-tests-continue-to-decline-nos/

curfew might be lifted next week if positive tests continue to decline

[arista]

Door-to-door testing for South Africa variant launched in Surrey after cases found with no travel links...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-surge-testing-launched-surrey-south-africa-variant-121933814.html


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-surge-testing-rolled-out-in-parts-of-surrey-after-south-africa-covid-variant-found-in-cases-with-no-travel-links-12205298

Yes the Government need to give the True number
of the total South African Variant
in the UK.

105 cases of the South Africa variant have been found to date in the UK.

[arista]

Didn’t Sweden just carry on as normal yet still only have 10,000 deaths. ?


They have a 5th of our population but a 10th of our deaths ?!?




Sweden has now admitted their relaxed system
has failed.

[arista]

South African Covid Variant found in these UK postcodes

W7
N17
CR4
WS2
ME15
GU21
EN10
PR9

Ref:BBCnewsHD

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: non-essential stores, and pubs/restaurants/bars, businesses like cinema's theatres remain closed now until 2nd of March

so those measures are being extended again

[arista]

Joey
Sorry its the Cock again
Live 5PM
Also Steven Powis & Jenny Hopkins

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC
Times radio DAB

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers (ofc a monday always lower but still)

3.280 new cases (lowest since 1st of October)

144 new hospitalisations (2.270 in total)

24 new ICU patients (639 in total)

27 new deaths

[Nicky91]

worry it might go up again since stores will be allowed for pick ups again :facepalm: why why why

compared to australia whom got 1 case and entire lockdown procedures ongoing (at least they are doing good at being very careful)


why can't we just remain in a hard lockdown until we got no cases for a long while, ugh my government & rivm decisions sometimes so dumb

[hijaxers]

We have a friend who's had long covid , he's just told us that he is now allergic to vitamin D and Ibuprofen and was not before, this virus seems to leave very strange side effects !

[arista]

South African Covid Variant found in these UK postcodes


W7 West Ealing
N17 Tottenham
CR4 Mitcham
WS2 Walsall
ME15 in Kent
GU21 in Surrey
EN10 in Hertsfordshire
PR9 Southport

Ref:BBCnewsHD
SkyNewsHD

Updates on the Zone Locations
residents will receive in their Letter box a PCR swab test
for all 18 and over
all to take the tests even if well.
A Person will collect the Test,

[arista]

Today Monday 1/2/21
406 deaths


18,607 caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
34,783

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,832


106,564 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

[arista]

1356274348949168128

[joeysteele]

Joey
Sorry its the Cock again
Live 5PM
Also Steven Powis & Jenny Hopkins

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC
Times radio DAB

I actually don't mind him at present.

I think he presents in a way that's more genuine recently.

I won't forget his wrongs all through up to recently obviously, however his last 2 press conferences have seen him be both more compassionate and more open too.

I'd rather hear from him than the the 100% false Johnson.

[bots]

i refuse to listen to a word that Hancock utters

[arista]

i refuse to listen to a word that Hancock utters

Fair Enough
What about the other 2 with him?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/01/14/38736506-9210159-image-a-2_1612188057197.jpg


The South Africa Variant Locations

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/01/13/38251454-9210159-image-a-12_1612185811367.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9210159/Door-door-testing-South-African-variant-start-Surrey.html

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/01/13/38251454-9210159-image-a-12_1612185811367.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9210159/Door-door-testing-South-African-variant-start-Surrey.html

Thats a lot of new variants there :worry:

[arista]

Thats a lot of new variants there :worry:


Yes so Far our worry
is UK Kent , South Africa and Brazil.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/01/15/article-9210159-38740172-753_964x544.jpg

[arista]

Live Now

10 Downing St.

[arista]

[17:18

How confident are you you can contain the South African variant, Mr Hancock?
Emily Morgan from ITV asks the next question.

The health secretary says it's "on all of us" to contain the new variant.
He adds lockdown should help "bring down the number of cases of
the new variant", with surge testing and enhanced contact tracing
also used to stop the spread of new variants.

"But it is not straightforward," he admits, saying there
may be "further cases that we don't know about yet".]

[Zizu]

[17:18

How confident are you you can contain the South African variant, Mr Hancock?
Emily Morgan from ITV asks the next question.

The health secretary says it's "on all of us" to contain the new variant.
He adds lockdown should help "bring down the number of cases of
the new variant", with surge testing and enhanced contact tracing
also used to stop the spread of new variants.

"But it is not straightforward," he admits, saying there
may be "further cases that we don't know about yet".]



Matt Hancock

“ but it is not straightforward," he admits, saying there maybe "further cases that we don't know about yet"

Ya think ??

We’re doomed ..




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[arista]

[17:28

Will the vaccine rollout have to restart if they don't
work on the new variants?
The i's Jane Merrick is next,
who asks Dr Hopkins if the spread of
COVID-19 is endemic and if vaccines prove ineffective,
will the vaccine rollout have to be restarted?

Dr Hopkins says there is work being
done to close down transmission of the new variant,
including additional testing.
She adds that on tweaked vaccines,
it is "unlikely" that they will have to
start the rollout again, saying it would
likely be a "booster shot".

She also asks Mr Hancock whether school
playgrounds should be opened if they can be done safely.

The health secretary says there
is "a lot of work to do together" adding
he understands the "implications of lockdown",
but appears to dodge the idea of at least
reopening playgrounds for children.]

[arista]

Downing St.
Has Concluded.

[arista]

Matt Hancock

“ but it is not straightforward," he admits, saying there maybe "further cases that we don't know about yet"

Ya think ??

We’re doomed ..



Yes lets see by the end of this week.

[Zizu]

[17:28

Will the vaccine rollout have to restart if they don't
work on the new variants?
The i's Jane Merrick is next,
who asks Dr Hopkins if the spread of
COVID-19 is endemic and if vaccines prove ineffective,
will the vaccine rollout have to be restarted?

Dr Hopkins says there is work being
done to close down transmission of the new variant,
including additional testing.
She adds that on tweaked vaccines,
it is "unlikely" that they will have to
start the rollout again, saying it would
likely be a "booster shot".

She also asks Mr Hancock whether school
playgrounds should be opened if they can be done safely.

The health secretary says there
is "a lot of work to do together" adding
he understands the "implications of lockdown",
but appears to dodge the idea of at least
reopening playgrounds for children.]



Issues the SA strain and with other variants , concerns as regards vaccines, still 20,000+ dying each and every day - worrying stories surfacing about his badly the long term effects are - all this in a LOCKDOWN situation yet everyone just wants to reopen the schools .. I despair.

Our high school don’t even tell us how many staff / pupils are being tested positive and even when news slips out about one they keep the identity secret from the staff !!





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[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/01/13/38251454-9210159-image-a-12_1612185811367.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9210159/Door-door-testing-South-African-variant-start-Surrey.html

All these named variants, can we say the Chinese variant yet?

[hijaxers]

All these named variants, can we say the Chinese variant yet?

They are all down to China !

[arista]

[COVID-19: England might not return to regional restrictions
as lockdown is eased, Boris Johnson suggests
The prime minister says that "going down the tiers
in a national way" may be "better this time round".]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-england-might-not-return-to-regional-restrictions-as-lockdown-is-eased-boris-johnson-suggests-12205622

[Samm]

[COVID-19: England might not return to regional restrictions
as lockdown is eased, Boris Johnson suggests
The prime minister says that "going down the tiers
in a national way" may be "better this time round".]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-england-might-not-return-to-regional-restrictions-as-lockdown-is-eased-boris-johnson-suggests-12205622

thank ****, the tier system was such a stupid approach when you could just go to another city

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[COVID-19: Mutation of Kent variant detected
in samples could help virus evade immune system

A mutation of the Kent variant detected
in some samples could help the virus evade
the immune system, scientists have found.
The mutation, which has been labelled E484K,
has also been found in the South Africa variant
of the coronavirus.
It was found in 11 samples of some 200,000
that have been sequenced.

Sky's science correspondent Thomas Moore said it
was a "worrying development" as it could mean those
previously infected could be re-infected and could
reduce the effectiveness of COVID vaccines.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mutation-of-kent-variant-detected-in-samples-could-help-virus-evade-immune-system-12206375

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900625

Also posted on Vaccine Thread

[Smithy]

Wonderful :skull:

[Zizu]

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That’s harsh .. Boris lost a lot of weight when he was poorly and still looks relatively trim ..


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[Ammi]

Teenager in car accident wakes from 11-month coma with no knowledge of COVID despite catching it twice...


...that would be so weird, I hope that his recovery continues to progress...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/teenager-car-accident-wakes-coma-covid-coronavirus-091807952.html

[user104658]

Teenager in car accident wakes from 11-month coma with no knowledge of COVID despite catching it twice...


...that would be so weird, I hope that his recovery continues to progress...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/teenager-car-accident-wakes-coma-covid-coronavirus-091807952.html

"I can't wait to get out of hospital so that I can go back to school and finish my A-levels and see all of my friends..."

"Err... we've... err... got some bad news..."

[arista]

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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-more-mutations-of-concern-found-in-bristol-and-liverpool-says-matt-hancock-12206523

[arista]

That’s harsh .. Boris lost a lot of weight when he was poorly and still looks relatively trim ..



Yes The Star hates him.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

Runny nose, sore throat and headache should be added as Covid symptoms, GPs urge...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/runny-nose-sore-throat-headache-181501430.html

[arista]

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[arista]

Tuesday 2/2/21

1,449 have died today.

16,840 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
32,466

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,726


108,013 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[hijaxers]

OMG Captain Tom Moore has died.
So very sad RIP Tom.

[arista]

Scotland to introduce ‘managed quarantine’
system for all travellers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scotland-quarantine-nicola-sturgeon-announcement-b1796383.html

[joeysteele]

In relation to the sad loss of Captain Sir Tom Moore.
A question has entered my head I can't answer.

I've texted my medical connection family but wonder does anyone here know possibly the answer to this.

If you have Pneumonia and are being treated for it, then you can't, as in the case of Sir Tom Moore, have the covid vaccine.

Then what would be the situation if you get the covid vaccine, then later get Pneumonia.
Can you then NOT be treated for the Pneumonia.

Just curious, it's one I can't answer myself.

[Cherie]

In relation to the sad loss of Captain Sir Tom Moore.
A question has entered my head I can't answer.

I've texted my medical connection family but wonder does anyone here know possibly the answer to this.

If you have Pneumonia and are being treated for it, then you can't, as in the case of Sir Tom Moore, have the covid vaccine.

Then what would be the situation if you get the covid vaccine, then later get Pneumonia.
Can you then NOT be treated for the Pneumonia.

Just curious, it's one I can't answer myself.


No once you had the vaccine you would be fine to be treated with other drugs for other illnesses Joey, you shouldnt have any vaccine including the flu jab or any of the childhood vaccines if you have the flu or fever

[joeysteele]

No once you had the vaccine you would be fine to be treated with other drugs for other illnesses Joey, you shouldnt have any vaccine including the flu jab or any of the childhood vaccines if you have the flu or fever

Thank you Cherie.
I was just lost a bit there as to the connection between the 2.
That makes full sense.
Many thanks.

[Cherie]

Thank you Cherie.
I was just lost a bit there as to the connection between the 2.
That makes full sense.
Many thanks.

Probably done so as not to overload the immune system with trying to fight different illnesses at the same time

[joeysteele]

Probably done so as not to overload the immune system with trying to fight different illnesses at the same time

Yes that makes sense too.

Thank you, I appreciate your response Cherie

[Vicky.]

Runny nose, sore throat and headache should be added as Covid symptoms, GPs urge...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/runny-nose-sore-throat-headache-181501430.html

Well yes. Its basically..all cold symptoms..all tummy bug symptoms..and any symptom of any illness that exists.

In kids it mainly shows as bad stomach apparently, if the child is one of the unlucky few who gets symptoms. This has been a big discussion at our school for ages as kids cannot get a test without the symptoms being lied about, even though its quite well known it presents differently in most kids. The theory for this (and I wouldn't be too surprised if it was true tbh) was that..given the PM is adamant that 'schools are very safe!!!!!' it HAD to be that way. Then it showed as no kids having positive tests, ergo..schools are indeed safe! Sounded a bit paranoid to me to start with, then I saw the endless claims that schools were safe when it was clearly not the case and it was clearly the main driver behind the spread..and it made sense.

This is a large part of why I currently think whatever the government say about it all is likely bull. So much crap from the start, and still much stuff that contradicts stuff they also say elsewhere.

Like, the lies about schools..was unforgivable to me really. It could easily have been put over as, the children themselves are almost sure to be safe. As its true that primary kids especially, seem to be fine. However, while if they catch it they will most likely not even show signs of illness, they CAN still give it to their families and of course teachers are also at huge risk. I feel so damn bad for teachers through all this, the denial they are at risk, and stuff. I actually think they have been treat worse than NHS staff and are potentially at higher risk, given they are not allowed to even try protecting themselves because for some reason Boris reckons covid knows to not come into schools, its the only place in the country that covid absolutely is not a problem and will not spread :umm2:


Back ontopic though, I don't really get why there needs to be a list of symptoms. Given, any symptom of any illness can be a symptom of covid anyway. So, just feeling ill, in any way, is potential covid really. This focus on a few symptoms, especially when you can only get a test (I know some areas allow testing for any reason now though) with a few of the symptoms, seems a bit daft.

[Vicky.]

No once you had the vaccine you would be fine to be treated with other drugs for other illnesses Joey, you shouldnt have any vaccine including the flu jab or any of the childhood vaccines if you have the flu or fever

Yeah, I remember one of the baby vaccines that you have to get..James had a cold when he was meant to get it and they cancelled. Then a week later when he went in for it as he was fine, he sneezed twice and they cancelled again :laugh: They said it was basically, as the vaccine can run you down a bit so they don't want to make it worse, or the potential for the weakened virus to take hold given your immune system is already fighting something, or something along those lines. Which makes sense (though as far as I know, the covid one is not the weakened/dead virus type ones that some vaccines are)

There wouldn't be any reason for you to be unable to have treatment for other illnesses, after getting the covid vaccine.That I can think of anyway. But you could not have the covid one, while already ill with something. Probably including the common cold tbh, nevermind penumonia.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: number of new corona cases has decreased the last week with 20% to 28.628


RIVM estimates two third of the new cases are from the UK strain, but also 3 other strains are discovered here (23 cases of south african strain, 2 cases of brazilian strain)

on 15th January, the R rate was 0.97, if the number is below 1, then number of cases will decline

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Press Conference of PM Rutte and health minister De Jonge now Live


what we expect from tonights corona press conference, not much positive news, most lockdown restrictions will remain the same, only the curfew is uncertain, parliament is divided about that, renew or no longer go through with that

and also some information to the people regarding all the new strains

[Nicky91]

Rutte: we are now at worrying and uncertain times regarding the coronacrisis, we want a clear plan for the people, reality is we need to up our vaccinations asap

the good news is number of daily new cases is decreasing, hospitalisations and ICU numbers also going down

original covid: 0.85 meaning that is going down

uk covid: 1.03 meaning that might go up and double each week if we aren't careful

[Zizu]

Well yes. Its basically..all cold symptoms..all tummy bug symptoms..and any symptom of any illness that exists.



In kids it mainly shows as bad stomach apparently, if the child is one of the unlucky few who gets symptoms. This has been a big discussion at our school for ages as kids cannot get a test without the symptoms being lied about, even though its quite well known it presents differently in most kids. The theory for this (and I wouldn't be too surprised if it was true tbh) was that..given the PM is adamant that 'schools are very safe!!!!!' it HAD to be that way. Then it showed as no kids having positive tests, ergo..schools are indeed safe! Sounded a bit paranoid to me to start with, then I saw the endless claims that schools were safe when it was clearly not the case and it was clearly the main driver behind the spread..and it made sense.



This is a large part of why I currently think whatever the government say about it all is likely bull. So much crap from the start, and still much stuff that contradicts stuff they also say elsewhere.



Like, the lies about schools..was unforgivable to me really. It could easily have been put over as, the children themselves are almost sure to be safe. As its true that primary kids especially, seem to be fine. However, while if they catch it they will most likely not even show signs of illness, they CAN still give it to their families and of course teachers are also at huge risk. I feel so damn bad for teachers through all this, the denial they are at risk, and stuff. I actually think they have been treat worse than NHS staff and are potentially at higher risk, given they are not allowed to even try protecting themselves because for some reason Boris reckons covid knows to not come into schools, its the only place in the country that covid absolutely is not a problem and will not spread :umm2:





Back ontopic though, I don't really get why there needs to be a list of symptoms. Given, any symptom of any illness can be a symptom of covid anyway. So, just feeling ill, in any way, is potential covid really. This focus on a few symptoms, especially when you can only get a test (I know some areas allow testing for any reason now though) with a few of the symptoms, seems a bit daft.



Yeah .. you can imagine why I’m always so stressed working in a high school :(


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[arista]

[AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine will not be
recommended for over-65s in France
or Sweden as countries follow Germany’s lead

Sweden and France join Germany in objections
to the Oxford AstraZeneca jab
Berlin said lack of evidence for over-65s,
Macron said it was 'almost ineffective'
Came after EU reacted angrily to
delayed jab roll-out, while Britain triumphs
Boris Johnson has
backed 'very good and efficacious' jab
despite rancorous EU]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9214625/AstraZeneca-Covid-19-vaccine-not-recommended-65s-Sweden.html

[Vanessa]

Numbers are coming down, and hopefully the vaccine will help to keep the virus under control.

[Vicky.]

Yeah .. you can imagine why I’m always so stressed working in a high school :(


Quite. Its shocking really. At my stepdaughters school, a few of her friends wanted to wear masks. And were told the government guidelines said they weren't allowed to. Except in corridors. Where surely its a good thing, the more that wear them everywhere..

Its as illogical as saying all kids had to be back at school and fines would be dished out if not. Like, it would be best all round, surely, to allow parents who are quite happy with homeschooling..to carry on with it. Puts less burden on the teachers, and allows for more distancing. Forcing large groups of people together, seems silly. But no 'schools are safe, and you will be fined for trying to do what you personally think is best during a pandemic. Ignore your instincts, and listen to us while we lie to you, else fine'

We had a situation where my stepdaughter had a tummy bug so obviously was kept off. Like, they are meant to take 48 hours after last puke anyway. But the school massively piled pressure on us, even suggesting at one point to send her in, and if she was sick at school they would send her back! All that week, they rang us twice a day, and even threatened a fine at one stage. You would think, they would be happy for people keeping ill kids off. And would be a lot more lenient, as even a sore throat could be potential covid so a lot of parents would keep them off even with that. But no, seems our school wanted ill kids in. I can only assume, that ofsted or something was whinging about attendance still, which seems ridiculous given the situation :bored:

[Zizu]

Quite. Its shocking really. At my stepdaughters school, a few of her friends wanted to wear masks. And were told the government guidelines said they weren't allowed to. Except in corridors. Where surely its a good thing, the more that wear them everywhere..

Its as illogical as saying all kids had to be back at school and fines would be dished out if not. Like, it would be best all round, surely, to allow parents who are quite happy with homeschooling..to carry on with it. Puts less burden on the teachers, and allows for more distancing. Forcing large groups of people together, seems silly. But no 'schools are safe, and you will be fined for trying to do what you personally think is best during a pandemic. Ignore your instincts, and listen to us while we lie to you, else fine'

We had a situation where my stepdaughter had a tummy bug so obviously was kept off. Like, they are meant to take 48 hours after last puke anyway. But the school massively piled pressure on us, even suggesting at one point to send her in, and if she was sick at school they would send her back! All that week, they rang us twice a day, and even threatened a fine at one stage. You would think, they would be happy for people keeping ill kids off. And would be a lot more lenient, as even a sore throat could be potential covid so a lot of parents would keep them off even with that. But no, seems our school wanted ill kids in. I can only assume, that ofsted or something was whinging about attendance still, which seems ridiculous given the situation :bored:



Yeah that Ofsted card that the Education Secretary played before the Jan return was a game changer as was the government’s new guidelines for vulnerable’ pupils.. meaning we are now seeing 130+ pupils ( increasing all the time) compared to around 20 in the first lockdown... all this whilst providing online lessons for all pupils .


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[Vicky.]

Yeah that Ofsted card that the Education Secretary played before the Jan return was a game changer as was the government’s new guidelines for vulnerable’ pupils.. meaning we are now seeing 130+ pupils ( increasing all the time) compared to around 20 in the first lockdown... all this whilst providing online lessons for all pupils .


So ofsted actually are piling pressure onto schools for attendance? Kind of thought it must be that, but also shocked that its that, if that makes sense?!

Them whinging about attendance during this is bloody ridiculous to me.

Even if it was 'just a tummy bug' (which it seemed to be) I don't get why they would WANT her in while she was contagious?! In my mind, all this would be doing is making more kids (and teachers) ill, so longer term attendance would drop. But the focus on attendance during a pandemic is beyond stupid D:

Even in 'normal times' I find the attendance thing so bizarre. I don't understand at all, having a school policy where diarrhea and vomitting requires an extra 48 hours off once child is better, just incase. BUT then at the same time, whinging at parents for keeping them off and demanding to know exactly when they will be back (something you cannot know, if they should be off til after they get better, as you dont know when they will be better!). The 48 hour thing is obviously sensible, but you cannot hold both views at once, that they should be off for illness, but also should not be off for illness and the 48 hour thing doesnt matter, and send them in and 'we will decide if they are ill'?!..its so..stupid.

[Zizu]

So ofsted actually are piling pressure onto schools for attendance? Kind of thought it must be that, but also shocked that its that, if that makes sense?!



Them whinging about attendance during this is bloody ridiculous to me.



Even if it was 'just a tummy bug' (which it seemed to be) I don't get why they would WANT her in while she was contagious?! In my mind, all this would be doing is making more kids (and teachers) ill, so longer term attendance would drop. But the focus on attendance during a pandemic is beyond stupid D:



Even in 'normal times' I find the attendance thing so bizarre. I don't understand at all, having a school policy where diarrhea and vomitting requires an extra 48 hours off once child is better, just incase. BUT then at the same time, whinging at parents for keeping them off and demanding to know exactly when they will be back (something you cannot know, if they should be off til after they get better, as you dont know when they will be better!). The 48 hour thing is obviously sensible, but you cannot hold both views at once, that they should be off for illness, but also should not be off for illness and the 48 hour thing doesnt matter, and send them in and 'we will decide if they are ill'?!..its so..stupid.



As regards Ofsted it's not so much about attendance more about increased expectations even as circumstances have gotten far more difficult and indeed dangerous .

The Education Secretary opened his speech BT applauding the schools , teachers and staff but in his next sentence advised parents that if they had any complaints about the schools , the online teaching / lessons or whatever they should complain to the headmaster AND Ofsted .... saying they had been instructed to act vigilantly.


:::.:

Gavin Williamson has provoked anger among head teachers by suggesting that parents should report schools to Ofsted if they felt that the online learning provision was not good enough.

The education secretary told the House of Commons that all schools in England must give children high-quality remote teaching . If parents are unhappy they should complain to the head teacher and ultimately to Ofsted.

He added: “We have set out clear, legally binding requirements for schools to provide high-quality remote education. This is mandatory for all state-funded schools and will be ENFORCED by Ofsted.



There was anger among teachers and heads, who spent most of the Christmas holidays planning for the roll-out of mass Covid-19 testing and have endured a series of U-turns over school openings and exams plus very few of all the laptops promised ever made it to the schools across the UK





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[Zizu]

[COVID-19: Mutation of Kent variant detected
in samples could help virus evade immune system

A mutation of the Kent variant detected
in some samples could help the virus evade
the immune system, scientists have found.
The mutation, which has been labelled E484K,
has also been found in the South Africa variant
of the coronavirus.
It was found in 11 samples of some 200,000
that have been sequenced.

Sky's science correspondent Thomas Moore said it
was a "worrying development" as it could mean those
previously infected could be re-infected and could
reduce the effectiveness of COVID vaccines.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mutation-of-kent-variant-detected-in-samples-could-help-virus-evade-immune-system-12206375

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900625

Also posted on Vaccine Thread



What are everyone's thoughts on these developments ?


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[Vicky.]

Ahh right, I think thats a totally different issue to the one I had. This was about being in school, before the schools closed again. Probably somewhere around September time from memory. Seemed very very odd that they insisted on us sending her to school while actively quite ill with sickness, at a time when you would think it would be a good idea to keep them off for even minor things. Telling us to send her in and basically, if she was sick in school they would send her back was just..a bizarre ask to me. I wouldn't do that even without this going on, as its just putting other people at risk of a nasty tummy bug, for no reason besides the school whinging about us doing the right thing and keeping her at home. Another reason is of course, that she would feel crappy at school, even if she did not physically puke there..sending ill children to school is awful IMO, both on the ill child, and on anyone who comes into contact with them.

The only way I could make any sense of the schools behaviour was that OFSTED had ramped up the pressure on schools for attendance..especially the ringing morning and afternoon..suggesting at one stage that she could come in in the afternoon session to 'see if she can handle half days until she is better'?! The threat of a fine really angered me also, and I asked them if they wish for me to send in videos of her being sick or something, which was not my finest moment, granted, but it was infuriating, having receptionists on the phone constantly. I also asked for a copy of their updated D&V policy..in writing, that stated that the 48 hour period after illness was no longer required, and that the new policy was infact even while vomitting and crapping was occuring, parents should send the children in so the teachers can act as doctors and decide if the child is actually ill enough to go home :umm2: Oddly enough, I never recieved that. Should maybe try a followup email about it, given they were so adamant I was doing the wrong thing by keeping her home when ill, in the midst of a pandemic..

Attendance targets (and rewards based on that too*)never really made much sense to me, as..if they are ill they are ill. Noone wants an ill child, and especially an ill teen moping around the house whinging! And sure, some will send them back earlier than they should, which would generally result in said bug blazing its way around the school, because either, some parents didn't want to keep the child off for whatever reason, or the school had bullied them into sending them in, so they get one 'present' instead of 'absent' in todays register, but that would be followed by many absent marks the next week, when the whole class started dropping like flies..


That ofsted report your school for online learning stuff is bad mind. I might be mistaken, but aren't most teachers currently trying to educate keyworker/other kids in school, whilst also being expected to do the online stuff? If this is the case, of course much of the online learning is not going to be perfect. I swear OFSTED cause more problems than they solve..



(*IMO the attendance awards simply encourage parents to send in ill children so they get their 100% award. Sending their kids in when ill is a crappy thing to do all round, and they shouldn't be recieving bloody backpats and stuff for it. Its also punishing kids who..well are ill. And I have been thinking lately actually such awards might actually be discriminatry, against kids who have long term medical problems, or just pretty weak immune systems for whatever reason. )

[Vicky.]

What are everyone's thoughts on these developments ?


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Not surprising at all really, given how viruses work.

I wish the bloody doom and gloom would end. That article states its looking positive, the vaccines and the new mutation. Yet this gets put across as if the vaccine won't work on the new mutations. Which makes everything seem crappier than it already is, as..so many have their hopes pinned on this vaccine being the solution to allow us to have a life again.. I do not see the benefit in things like this being spun the way they are really. I don't think this kind of 'news' does anyne any good. IF it gets confirmed that the vaccines do not work on some mutations, then fine, tell the world. But surely, while its just maybes, its a bit irresponsible to dull peoples hopes in such a way?! Especially when there seems to be no ****ing positives out there at the minute. As the actual stories seem to say that scientists are optomistic and such, but the headlines tend to be all 'omg, vaccines wont work on X strain!!!' (and almost all social media posts I see on this are like that. Seen loads stating that the vaccine categorically does not work on SA variant and some others, then posting a story that says its not sure, but the headline implicates its proven) when so many must be at the end of their tether, mental health wise anyway. And thinking there is a chance the vaccines wont work on a load of mutations, will obviously make people think there is no way out now. As so many really have everything pined on the 'miracle vaccine that shall allow us to have some semblence of a life, hopeflly soon!'


That aside, its always been a weird idea really, to delay the second jabs. As this was always a very real, and even quite likely scenario. Given viruses mutate constantly to find ways to survive, if we do half the vaccination, it gives the virus more time to find a workaround for it. I also find it weird that the idea appears to be ignorng the way that the actual trials were done on the vaccines, in order to randomly do something else, insyead of..well just doing it like it was meant to be done?!

This is actually part of why I totally disagree with the many who say the government are doing amazing with the vaccination stuff. I had a massive post for that thread, but it crashed and didn't save so I couldn't be arsed to redo it as the whole situation is seriously pissing me off at this stage :laugh: IMO they are doing 'ok' but I think it wold be better to give the doses as they were intended, rather than blitzing round more peope, but leaving huge gaps between doses. The johnson one sounds quite promising though, with its single use status.

[Zizu]

Not surprising at all really, given how viruses work.

I wish the bloody doom and gloom would end. That article states its looking positive, the vaccines and the new mutation. Yet this gets put across as if the vaccine won't work on the new mutations. Which makes everything seem crappier than it already is, as..so many have their hopes pinned on this vaccine being the solution to allow us to have a life again.. I do not see the benefit in things like this being spun the way they are really. I don't think this kind of 'news' does anyne any good. IF it gets confirmed that the vaccines do not work on some mutations, then fine, tell the world. But surely, while its just maybes, its a bit irresponsible to dull peoples hopes in such a way?! Especially when there seems to be no ****ing positives out there at the minute. As the actual stories seem to say that scientists are optomistic and such, but the headlines tend to be all 'omg, vaccines wont work on X strain!!!' (and almost all social media posts I see on this are like that. Seen loads stating that the vaccine categorically does not work on SA variant and some others, then posting a story that says its not sure, but the headline implicates its proven) when so many must be at the end of their tether, mental health wise anyway. And thinking there is a chance the vaccines wont work on a load of mutations, will obviously make people think there is no way out now. As so many really have everything pined on the 'miracle vaccine that shall allow us to have some semblence of a life, hopeflly soon!'


That aside, its always been a weird idea really, to delay the second jabs. As this was always a very real, and even quite likely scenario. Given viruses mutate constantly to find ways to survive, if we do half the vaccination, it gives the virus more time to find a workaround for it. I also find it weird that the idea appears to be ignorng the way that the actual trials were done on the vaccines, in order to randomly do something else, insyead of..well just doing it like it was meant to be done?!

This is actually part of why I totally disagree with the many who say the government are doing amazing with the vaccination stuff. I had a massive post for that thread, but it crashed and didn't save so I couldn't be arsed to redo it as the whole situation is seriously pissing me off at this stage :laugh: IMO they are doing 'ok' but I think it wold be better to give the doses as they were intended, rather than blitzing round more peope, but leaving huge gaps between doses. The johnson one sounds quite promising though, with its single use status.



Interesting ... thank you for taking the time !


PS

I always ‘copy’ long posts as I’m composing them just in case.

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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/curfew-decision-delayed-to-weekend-everyone-should-be-vaccinated-by-the-autumn/

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/coronavirus-in-the-netherlands-what-you-need-to-know-february-2/

NL: curfew decision to be delayed to weekend, everyone should be vaccinated by autumn

[bots]

i wish these media sources provided a fuller picture of the situation with vaccines. We don't need to be completely immune to any of the variants, ie the efficacy rate of the vaccine doesn't need to be a particular value before it saves your life. What's important is that your body as a whole has enough immunity stored up so that it can fight off the virus with its various methods of fighting off any invader, similar to what happens with the common cold. All these vaccines improve your immune response to the general type of covid 19, so all this doom and gloom just isn't helpful. It's obviously important to keep track of variants, but there is no need to panic that we are back to stage 1 again. We are light years ahead of where we were this time last year

[user104658]

(*IMO the attendance awards simply encourage parents to send in ill children so they get their 100% award. Sending their kids in when ill is a crappy thing to do all round, and they shouldn't be recieving bloody backpats and stuff for it. Its also punishing kids who..well are ill. And I have been thinking lately actually such awards might actually be discriminatry, against kids who have long term medical problems, or just pretty weak immune systems for whatever reason. )

I totally agree with this, a guy at my high school, at the end of 6th year when we left, got an award for 100% attendance for all 6 years of high school. Not one day off. Teachers clapping and beaming... All I could think was "Oh yeah thanks for giving us all your ****in' colds buddy".

Ita ridiculous and it promotes the same attitude in workplaces - people coming in sick and making everyone else sick which puts a much bigger dent in productivity than just staying home!

My old employer actually had automatic disciplinary processes for it, you couldn't be off sick more than twice in a 6 month span. And it was double dumb too - it was "periods of absence" not days off. Off for two blocks of 2 weeks each? That's fine. Off for one day in October, one in December and one in January? Automatic disciplinary meeting with regional manager. Madness.

[Zizu]

i wish these media sources provided a fuller picture of the situation with vaccines. We don't need to be completely immune to any of the variants, ie the efficacy rate of the vaccine doesn't need to be a particular value before it saves your life. What's important is that your body as a whole has enough immunity stored up so that it can fight off the virus with its various methods of fighting off any invader, similar to what happens with the common cold. All these vaccines improve your immune response to the general type of covid 19, so all this doom and gloom just isn't helpful. It's obviously important to keep track of variants, but there is no need to panic that we are back to stage 1 again. We are light years ahead of where we were this time last year



Thanks for this reassuring take on things ..

I’m 63 in a few weeks ( and work in a high school ) so I feel rather vulnerable .

On one hand I’m desperate to get vaccinated but even the prospect of that is a concern as I’m one of those hypersensitive individuals..

For starters I’m allergic to the range of penicillin antibiotics plus very sensitive to noise , fumes , flavours even textures .

Throw in my Aspergers and I’m the complete package :)


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[joeysteele]

My Mum is getting her vaccine this weekend.
She's absolutely near terrified as she is confused by all the it may do this, it should be okay to wait 12 weeks for the next one.

They think this, that or the other.

All she wants to hear is certainties and they know not think.
That's what trials are for to get the full certain picture of vaccines as to anything.

While I share some of her concerns, she is getting it this weekend, I'm ensuring that.

So I've a fun Saturday coming up I think.
Despite the if, maybe, should and could statements on the vaccines, I myself do think once offered they should be accepted.
So I hope all will too.

[arista]

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Some Young Punk

[Cherie]

1356882894464155649


Some Young Punk

some wet behind the ears twat more like

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210202/how-the-second-wave-is-weighing-heavy-on-people-in-germany-this-winter

A long cold winter mixed with a Covid-19 lockdown, the threat of new variants and a sluggish vaccine rollout makes for a tough time for people in Germany, writes Rachel Loxton.

“Everyone struggles at this time of year in Germany,” a friend said as we trudged through snow in below freezing temperatures in Berlin’s Tiergarten at the weekend.

It’s true that winters in northern Europe always hit hard. You forget how bad they are until you’re in the middle of one. And you forget how long they last, often stretching out into March.

It's a bit like the second wave of the pandemic itself - getting through November and December was one thing, but January, which felt like three years, was a serious mental hurdle in itself to overcome.

Although vaccinations are being carried out on the most elderly, the excitement of the immunisation programme starting has worn off. Coupled with supply issues and organisation problems, the thought of lining up to get your first dose feels very far off.

Winters in Germany are usually made more bearable by candlelit bars, visits to restaurants and, well, just generally being allowed to go out and talk to people.

A walk in the freezing cold is improved immeasurably by the option of getting a hot chocolate after and sitting by a radiator inside a busy cafe.

It’s these little things - or rather the absence of them - that are making everything feel extra difficult this year.

Germany has been in a state of shutdown since the start of November. With restaurants, cinemas, gyms, cafes and bars closed - plus schools and non-essential shops since December - there isn’t much to do except be at home.

And that can differ dramatically depending on your situation. I know some people trying to homeschool in tiny flats (I've no idea how you're doing it), while others are living alone, unable to have much real life social contact.

People I know in Berlin - and other countries in lockdown - are becoming increasingly irritated by their neighbours, whether it's their annoying DIY project, music choices or online fitness classes.

At this point I take it personally when I hear my upstairs neighbour buzzing in guests that he shouldn’t be: a household in Germany is only allowed to meet with one other person under the current contact rules, and the recommendation is to have a small social bubble.

The fact is that many people have too much time on their hands, either because they’re on Kurzarbeit (Germany’s furlough scheme) or they’ve lost their job. Meanwhile others are stretched thinly, working in industries that can’t be put on pause.

Covid-19 cases going down, but worries over variants

Things are looking up in some ways. The number of infections per 100,000 residents in seven days has dipped below 100 in Germany recently It had nearly hit 200 at the peak just before Christmas.

This should be a cause for celebration after such dismal weeks but we’re all aware of how long the road ahead is. The incidence rate has to come down much further (the 7-day incidence was below 10 in the summer) and the variants are massively complicating matters.

Germany has moved quickly on that front. Mask rules were tightened last month - people now have to wear medical masks while shopping and on public transport. And most people seem to have accepted the change: now FFP2 masks are a common sight in Berlin.

Plus major travel restrictions are in place: non-German residents coming from Covid-variant problem countries are currently banned.

This will hopefully keep the variants at bay while allowing the country to vaccinate more people

These travel bans, though they are sensible, also make me feel further away from home.

Many foreigners in Germany haven’t seen our family and friends from our home country in months or over a year.

“It’s hard because I don’t know when it will end and I don’t know when I’ll see my parents again,” my friend told me on our walk.

I agree that the uncertainty is hard to accept. It's like being stuck in a limbo, unsure when I'll be able to book a flight home to Scotland, sit in a cafe again or hug my friends. Go for a pint or get a haircut. Or just sit in a restaurant.

And so we walk. In Berlin people bundle up in lots of layers and walk along the canal, in the parks or on the streets.

Moving around is the only option if you want to be outside because it’s too cold to be in the same place for a long time.

We walk because there’s nothing else to do. We walk in the rain, the snow and the sub-zero temperatures. There is nothing else to do but plod on and hope it gets better soon.

[arista]

some wet behind the ears twat more like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJhyrkkL-cU&feature=emb_logo


Bit longer video he was walking to get some food


Stupid Punk
to get his Tik Tok likes.

[Zizu]

My Mum is getting her vaccine this weekend.
She's absolutely near terrified as she is confused by all the it may do this, it should be okay to wait 12 weeks for the next one.

They think this, that or the other.

All she wants to hear is certainties and they know not think.
That's what trials are for to get the full certain picture of vaccines as to anything.

While I share some of her concerns, she is getting it this weekend, I'm ensuring that.

So I've a fun Saturday coming up I think.
Despite the if, maybe, should and could statements on the vaccines, I myself do think once offered they should be accepted.
So I hope all will too.



Hope it all goes nice and smoothly


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[Zizu]

1356882894464155649


Some Young Punk



He should be named and shamed then put in some stocks and pelted with rotten cabbage... I hate cabbage


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[Zizu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJhyrkkL-cU&feature=emb_logo





Bit longer video he was walking to get some food





Stupid Punk

to get his Tik Tok likes.



If it WAS a TikTok clip then I presume he will get banned ??

Especially if enough people report it


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[Cherie]

If it WAS a TikTok clip then I presume he will get banned ??

Especially if enough people report it


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what accent is that?

[joeysteele]

Hope it all goes nice and smoothly


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Thank you very much for that Zizu .

[Zizu]

what accent is that?



I call it ‘wannabe gangsta’ ..


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[arista]

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[Cherie]

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students with no brains

it ain't my house..

it ain't my party

it was a small gathering up to 15 that got out of hand

how do you expect a 20 year old girl to pay the fine

dozy so and so's

[Denver]

They should be kicked out of their Uni

[Cherie]

They should be locked out of their Uni

The best one, was 'we were causing no issue'

no apart from spreading disease :facepalm:

[Denver]

The best one, was 'we were causing no issue'

no apart from spreading disease :facepalm:

Unis and workplaces need to do more when their students and staff are found to be purposely breaking laws

[arista]

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Sad tale.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/dutch-vaccination-capacity-is-being-ramped-up-700000-doses-a-week-by-june/

The Dutch government is aiming to further speed up the coronavirus vaccination process, following widespread criticism of the slow and bureaucratic approach.

Health minister Hugo de Jonge has told MPs in a briefing that by early March, two million vaccinations should have been given, as capacity expands.

The current 25 mass vaccination centres have capacity to carry out 230,000 vaccinations a week. By April, De Jonge said, there should be 100 locations nationwide carrying out the programme, with capacity for 450,000 vaccinations a week. By June, he said, capacity should have increased to 700,000.

Meanwhile, the stockpile of Pfizer vaccines – which had been kept to ensure people could get the second dose – is now being used up in a further effort to speed up progress.

However, it is still unclear how many doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which had formed the backbone of the Dutch strategy, will be delivered. Officials in The Hague hope to receive 125,000 doses next week followed by 675,000 in February and the same again in March.

The Netherlands has also bought eight million more doses of the Moderna vaccine, he said.

De Jonge told reporters at Tuesday night’s press conference that the Netherlands has now ordered over 80 million doses from eight different pharmaceuticals companies up to the first quarter of 2022, and that 60 million have been allocated under EU rules.

The Netherlands has a population of 17.4 million.

MPs are due to discuss the vaccination strategy with De Jonge later on Wednesday.

[arista]

The Prime Minister is live at 5PM
Downing St. today

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.060 new cases

184 new hospitalisations (2.214 in total) (yesterday that were 218 new, so decrease of 34)

25 new ICU patients (613 in total) (yesterday that were 29 new, so decrease of 4)

62 new deaths

[arista]

The PM is Live


BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC

[Vanessa]

Things are improving slowly.

[arista]

Weds 3/2/21

Today 1,322 have died

19,202 have caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
32,851

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,638

109,335 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[DouglasS]

Boris :love:

[arista]

People vaccinated

First dose total
10,021,471

Second dose total
498,962

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

[Nicky91]

10 million more vaccinated than us dutch

[arista]

10 million more vaccinated than us dutch


Of course, we started long time before you.

[arista]

BBC Laura:
[Is there a firm date for when hotel quarantine for international
arrivals from 'red list' countries' will start?]



Health Secretary Tomorrow

[He does reveal that the health secretary will make
an announcement on hotel quarantine tomorrow.]

[Zizu]

Things are improving slowly.



True although dreadfully high numbers of poorly hospital in hospital ( considering how they normally kick you out if you are still breathing) plus horrendously high numbers requiring ventilation


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[arista]

Clever Prof Whitty
says we are past the peak.

But we can soon have Another Peak.

[arista]

The PM has Concluded

[DouglasS]

They should be kicked out of their Uni

I don’t agree.

It’s stupid but thousands are doing it, I don’t agree with making an example out of one.

It’s not excusable but they are students they probably all live with other students and are not around old/vulnerable people so see everything as fair game - not worth ruining their lives over

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: new graphics of today

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/210203-NL-total-tests-560x349.png

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/210203-NL-weekly-change-560x350.png

[Nicky91]

and from Germany: can they get on board with a ''no covid strategy'' scientists believe they can

https://www.thelocal.de/20210203/can-germany-get-coronavirus-cases-down-to-almost-zero

[Zizu]

Netherlands: new graphics of today

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/210203-NL-total-tests-560x349.png

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/210203-NL-weekly-change-560x350.png



The top one looks promising !


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[arista]

We have 2 New Mutations
in the UK

Bristol Mutations (More transmissible)

and

Liverpool Mutations (Vaccine less effective)


Ref: Ch4HDnews.

As well as the Kent Variant
and the South Africa Variant

[Mystic Mock]

We have 2 New Mutations
in the UK

Bristol Mutations (More transmissible)

and

Liverpool Mutations (Vaccine less effective)


Ref: Ch4HDnews.

As well as the Kent Variant
and the South Africa Variant


With more Vaccines being developed, hopefully one of them will work against the Liverpool variant.

[user104658]

Really doesn't make sense that it's "suddenly" started various mutations a year down the line, the only likely scenario for all of these strains being identified, IMO, is that they've only recently started looking for them more determinedly.

[Zizu]

Really doesn't make sense that it's "suddenly" started various mutations a year down the line, the only likely scenario for all of these strains being identified, IMO, is that they've only recently started looking for them more determinedly.



Yes I was wondering that ... some smaller countries appear to have just the original strain but they haven’t got the technology/infrastructure to even test for variants


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[Zizu]

With more Vaccines being developed, hopefully one of them will work against the Liverpool variant.



Over 230 new vaccines in development .. seemed rather a lot but they must know what they’re doing ...


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[Scarlett.]

Really doesn't make sense that it's "suddenly" started various mutations a year down the line, the only likely scenario for all of these strains being identified, IMO, is that they've only recently started looking for them more determinedly.

I guess the divergence of the strains has only recently become more noticable too

[user104658]

I guess the divergence of the strains has only recently become more noticable too

I was wondering if, with vaccines now fully developed and more nearing completion, more labs have now put resources into identifying new/different strains and that's why there's a sudden increase in the number. Or perhaps identifying one concerning new strain prompted the search for more.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVj-NDUUAA5BEd?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVj-MlUcAAjLne?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVj-_3U0AYa1AZ?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVj_AqVoAE4_cG?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVj_BWUUAAJPPE?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: RIVM chief Jaap van Dissel had said the ''hard lockdown with the curfew'' remains necessary to keep the UK strain from infecting too many people, begin March he thinks the UK strain will have the majority over the original covid strain

how high the numbers in the third wave will be, depends on what measures we are going for these next few months

[Vicky.]

Really doesn't make sense that it's "suddenly" started various mutations a year down the line, the only likely scenario for all of these strains being identified, IMO, is that they've only recently started looking for them more determinedly.

Timings of these 'new mutations' are quite suspicious to me, same as the Wuhan biolab V random wetmarket bat stuff. It could easily be a coincidence, but some of the timings of various issues..its unlikely to just be a series of coincidences really.

The mutations thing, I have felt was an excuse for ages now. Ever since the 'omg, we have suddenly discovered a new more spreadable version!' which was used to the cancel the (ridiculous) xmas plans. The strain had been about since September, no way did they only just learn very last minute that it might be a problem. In my mind tbh, they knew about it obviously, yet deemed it not that different to other mutations so no news there. Then Boris needed to go back on all his 'starmer is trying to steal xmas!' stuff, yet didn't have the balls to just say..well no, we have thought and its a bad idea. So the mutation was wheeled out for the reason..

And then, things kind of snowballed. It was used as a way to u-turn, and make out the u-turn was not just another sign of a slipflopping government, but no, THE SCIENCE!!!!! Then countries started closing their doors to us, as Boris made out that it had basically mutated into the black death or something. So his exaggerations, and timing also, created a large issue, when it was meant to be just a way to scare people into staying in (after months of 'you will definitely be able to see people at xmas), instead, it freaked the world out. Understandably tbh.

I swear everytime I hear covid now I just switch off. Was in a taxi yesterday and it was on the radio and they said something along the lines of stay away from shops as much as possible (sensible) but also, you should avoid excercising outdoors, even if alone. Like..what the ****?

The whole thing is really pissing me off now. As, if the government had just done what they said they would during the first lockdown (the whole point of the bloody lockdown, numbers lower so T&T could work), we would probably be in a much better place by now. Instead, it was used, unsurprisingly, to shovel a load of money to their mates, a billion or so I remember (though may be wrong on that) to make an excel spreadsheet or something. Meanwhile, again from memory so this might be wrong, Ireland managed to do a test and trace system, with a few hundred K, that actually worked. We pay 1b, and nowt.

The vaccine thing might redeem them somewhat, but even that seems to be messed up. My mother in laws neighbour went to get the vaccine on Monday. And said the waiting room was absolutely bursting. Because clearly, its not possible to stagger appointments so people have less contact with each other?! A few of them were talking about it, and t seemed a bnch of them got the exact same time for theirs..so it was done deliberately. Maybe as they expected some no shows...but it was a stupid way of doing things.

[arista]

Yesterday
the PM said the Health Secretary
was to announce about the Hotels for Airport passengers
we now find out he is not.


London hotels only have 10,000 rooms
21,000 rough amount arrive.

[joeysteele]

Timings of these 'new mutations' are quite suspicious to me, same as the Wuhan biolab V random wetmarket bat stuff. It could easily be a coincidence, but some of the timings of various issues..its unlikely to just be a series of coincidences really.

The mutations thing, I have felt was an excuse for ages now. Ever since the 'omg, we have suddenly discovered a new more spreadable version!' which was used to the cancel the (ridiculous) xmas plans. The strain had been about since September, no way did they only just learn very last minute that it might be a problem. In my mind tbh, they knew about it obviously, yet deemed it not that different to other mutations so no news there. Then Boris needed to go back on all his 'starmer is trying to steal xmas!' stuff, yet didn't have the balls to just say..well no, we have thought and its a bad idea. So the mutation was wheeled out for the reason..

And then, things kind of snowballed. It was used as a way to u-turn, and make out the u-turn was not just another sign of a slipflopping government, but no, THE SCIENCE!!!!! Then countries started closing their doors to us, as Boris made out that it had basically mutated into the black death or something. So his exaggerations, and timing also, created a large issue, when it was meant to be just a way to scare people into staying in (after months of 'you will definitely be able to see people at xmas), instead, it freaked the world out. Understandably tbh.

I swear everytime I hear covid now I just switch off. Was in a taxi yesterday and it was on the radio and they said something along the lines of stay away from shops as much as possible (sensible) but also, you should avoid excercising outdoors, even if alone. Like..what the ****?

The whole thing is really pissing me off now. As, if the government had just done what they said they would during the first lockdown (the whole point of the bloody lockdown, numbers lower so T&T could work), we would probably be in a much better place by now. Instead, it was used, unsurprisingly, to shovel a load of money to their mates, a billion or so I remember (though may be wrong on that) to make an excel spreadsheet or something. Meanwhile, again from memory so this might be wrong, Ireland managed to do a test and trace system, with a few hundred K, that actually worked. We pay 1b, and nowt.

The vaccine thing might redeem them somewhat, but even that seems to be messed up. My mother in laws neighbour went to get the vaccine on Monday. And said the waiting room was absolutely bursting. Because clearly, its not possible to stagger appointments so people have less contact with each other?! A few of them were talking about it, and t seemed a bnch of them got the exact same time for theirs..so it was done deliberately. Maybe as they expected some no shows...but it was a stupid way of doing things.

That last paragraph is really concerning.

I'm taking my Mum for hers on Saturday.
If I come across anything like that, they'll need to re- schedule.
I've moved all to ensure her safety, I'm not having it jeopardised in that way.

It's an anxious time for many just even going for the vaccine.
Many who have stuck to the letter of the restrictions too.

To then face the scenario you've described is disgraceful and unacceptable.

The thing is, there is now a pressing target the government has set to reach by mid February.
Once you start making things about targets too, then corners get cut.
Which can compromise the right and necessary observances and care.

[Vicky.]

I get theres pressure on them to do it as quickly as possible, but for me, the trade off should not be placing a lot of vulnerable/elderly people into a cramped space, to sit waiting for 2 hours. Have seen a few pictures of the same, though figured it was like those 'long shots' of the 'packed beaches'..when if you look from another angle, there were huge gaps between most.

[arista]

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[AnnieK]

That last paragraph is really concerning.

I'm taking my Mum for hers on Saturday.
If I come across anything like that, they'll need to re- schedule.
I've moved all to ensure her safety, I'm not having it jeopardised in that way.

It's an anxious time for many just even going for the vaccine.
Many who have stuck to the letter of the restrictions too.

To then face the scenario you've described is disgraceful and unacceptable.

The thing is, there is now a pressing target the government has set to reach by mid February.
Once you start making things about targets too, then corners get cut.
Which can compromise the right and necessary observances and care.

I think it varies where you go. When my dad went, it was ridiculously well organised. They had marshalls everywhere to ensure that social distancing was maintained, he was taken to another social distanced area at his appointment time, then to another waiting area where you have to wait 15 minutes. There were people to help at all places, markings on the floor and no breaches in social distancing or hygiene. It was very impressive to be honest

[arista]

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Some Young Punk



He has a Good Mother
she has taken the 15 year old Punks
PlayStation away as punishment.


Ch4HD PM Live show

[Cherie]

I think it varies where you go. When my dad went, it was ridiculously well organised. They had marshalls everywhere to ensure that social distancing was maintained, he was taken to another social distanced area at his appointment time, then to another waiting area where you have to wait 15 minutes. There were people to help at all places, markings on the floor and no breaches in social distancing or hygiene. It was very impressive to be honest

My aunt had a similar experience, and she had hers at her GP, I find it hard the believe social distancing wouldn’t be enforced in these settings

Joey I think it will be fine, if there was an major issue it would be newsworthy, sounds like just like a badly organised place Vicky, maybe a one off

[Vicky.]

I think it varies where you go. When my dad went, it was ridiculously well organised. They had marshalls everywhere to ensure that social distancing was maintained, he was taken to another social distanced area at his appointment time, then to another waiting area where you have to wait 15 minutes. There were people to help at all places, markings on the floor and no breaches in social distancing or hygiene. It was very impressive to be honest

Oh for sure. I feel so sorry for myself with how our GP surgery has gone through all this. Near everyone I speak to, their surgeries improved a lot. Meanwhile, despite the news saying GPs are not closed, ours bloody well is and has been for months now. Their answer to everything seems to be..if it gets worse go to A&E :umm2: Which even at normal times shouldn't be what a doctor says unless you have some life threatening illness..nevermind sending people there in the midst of a pandemic ffs.

Joey I think it will be fine, if there was an major issue it would be newsworthy, sounds like just like a badly organised place Vicky, maybe a one off

Some of it has been on the news though, only have this link saved as was using it in a conversation..but there were more of these

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-55887486

So seems theres a few GPs as crappy as ours is!

I am so so jealous of anyone living in an area where their doctors will actually speak to them D:
Ours was always bad, but this is just utterly stupid.

[Nicky91]

well here in Netherlands the organizing part is amateurish :skull:, compared to all other big countries such as Germany, UK, US, France, Italy, Australia, South Korea

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/04/02/38860754-0-image-m-6_1612406064251.jpg

[Rishi Sunak is growing increasingly concerned
that Government scientific advisers are raising
the bar for the point at which lockdown
should be lifted, allies claimed last night.
The Chancellor is eager to ease restrictions as
soon as possible to breathe life back into a
throttled economy that has been devastated
by the pandemic.
But he is also said to be anxious that the
nation's top scientists are 'moving the goalposts'
for the criteria for loosening measures,
further delaying the recovery.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9221155/Rishi-Sunak-fears-scientific-advisors-moving-goalposts-lockdown-end.html

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.246 new cases

186 new hospitalisations, 2 more than yesterday (2.121 in total)

29 new ICU patients, 4 more than yesterday (602 in total)

67 new deaths (average of last 7 days deaths is 61)

[Nicky91]

not exactly going up but more levelling off in the 4k a day, 1.000 more than 1st of February

reminder of numbers of 1st of February

3.280 new cases (lowest since 1st of October)

144 new hospitalisations (2.270 in total)

24 new ICU patients (639 in total)

27 new deaths

[arista]

Thursday 4/2/21

Today 915 have died

20,634 have caught Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Patients in hospital
Latest available
31,670

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,625

110,250 Total UK Deaths.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews reports around 15% of the UK
have refused the Vaccination
many of them from the BAME community.

[Vicky.]

Ch4HDnews reports around 15% of the UK
have refused the Vaccination
many of them from the BAME community.

Hmm, wouldn't have thought it was quite that high like.

Mind, I suspected there might be a significant amount of people refusing it, as a couple of weeks back on BBC news I think it was, some head medical guy was being asked about the vaccine. He was asked if takeup was high. And gave a politicians answer of something along the lines of 'people who have been shielding and away from their families are very grateful that the vaccine is available', which obviously did not answer the question..

[Zizu]

Ch4HDnews reports around 15% of the UK
have refused the Vaccination
many of them from the BAME community.



Better for the rest of us who are desperate for a jab and yet worse as they are more likely to get it and so spread it around to others ..


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[arista]

Nations Around The World above 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths

453,545 USA deaths
227,563 Brazil deaths
161,240 Mexico deaths
154,703 India deaths
110,462 United Kingdom deaths
90,241 Italy deaths
77,743 France deaths
74,005 Russia deaths
60,802 Spain deaths
60,370 Iran deaths
60,065 Germany deaths
58,256 Iran deaths
54,877 Colombia deaths
48,539 Argentina deaths
45,344 South Africa deaths
41,538 Peru deaths
38,344 Poland deaths
31,001 Indonesia deaths
26,467 Turkey deaths
24,429 Ukraine deaths
21,216 Belgium deaths
20,403 Canada deaths
18,731 Chile deaths
18,675 Romania deaths
16,826 Czechia deaths
14,968 Ecuador deaths
14,346 Netherlands deaths
13,482 Portugal deaths
13,091 Iraq deaths
12,832 Hungary deaths
12,028 Sweden deaths
11,833 Pakistan deaths
10,997 Philippines deaths
10,571 Bolivia deaths




Pro Data :https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
understands 10 days in
Quarantine Hotels from Monday 15th of Feb.
Only applys to 10 Ports in the UK.

[joeysteele]

Why until 15th February.
Surely they've had plenty of time to have this set up.
We've been in a new lockdown over 2 weeks already.
How have they not been able to do this by now.
For goodness sake.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Why until 15th February.
Surely they've had plenty of time to have this set up.
We've been in a new lockdown over 2 weeks already.
How have they not been able to do this by now.
For goodness sake.


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

I recall a few weeks ago listening to a well respected expert on pandemics state that given all they know about these things it’s imperative that all the measures should remain in place until the daily infection rate is under 100 .... 200 max for a sustained period.
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[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1357551217937948674

[Cherie]

Nations Around The World above 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths

453,545 USA deaths
227,563 Brazil deaths
161,240 Mexico deaths
154,703 India deaths
110,462 United Kingdom deaths
90,241 Italy deaths
77,743 France deaths
74,005 Russia deaths
60,370 Iran deaths
60,065 Germany deaths
58,256 Iran deaths
54,877 Colombia deaths
48,539 Argentina deaths
45,344 South Africa deaths
41,538 Peru deaths
38,344 Poland deaths
31,001 Indonesia deaths
26,467 Turkey deaths
24,429 Ukraine deaths
21,216 Belgium deaths
20,403 Canada deaths
18,731 Chile deaths
18,675 Romania deaths
16,826 Czechia deaths
14,968 Ecuador deaths
14,346 Netherlands deaths
13,482 Portugal deaths
13,091 Iraq deaths
12,832 Hungary deaths
12,028 Sweden deaths
11,833 Pakistan deaths
10,997 Philippines deaths
10,571 Bolivia deaths




Pro Data :https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Spain’s fallen off the list?

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1357635250403344384

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1357635250403344384

Honestly can people not, just for one year, go on holiday within the UK and not go abroad? Is it really that hard? Do people have some sort of uncontrollable cravings for cheap beach holidays in dirty hotels?

[Nicky91]

Honestly can people not, just for one year, go on holiday within the UK and not go abroad? Is it really that hard? Do people have some sort of uncontrollable cravings for cheap beach holidays in dirty hotels?

fully agree, but are there any good holiday-worthy places within the UK then? i mean any good alternates for ''cheap beach holidays'' in own country?

[Cherie]

fully agree, but are there any good holiday-worthy places within the UK then? i mean any good alternates for ''cheap beach holidays'' in own country?

NIcky the UK is island of course there is, its the weather that is usually the issue and the cost...generally it is cheaper to holiday abroad and you are more or less guaranteed the weather

[Nicky91]

NIcky the UK is island of course there is, its the weather that is usually the issue and the cost...generally it is cheaper to holiday abroad and you are more or less guaranteed the weather

thanks for explaining

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.365 new cases (something more than this weeks average, and 135 more than yesterday)

166 new hospitalisations (20 less than yesterday, and 2.052 in total)

22 new ICU patients (7 less than yesterday, and 573 in total)

60 new deaths

[Zizu]

fully agree, but are there any good holiday-worthy places within the UK then? i mean any good alternates for ''cheap beach holidays'' in own country?



My two favourite resorts are St Ives and Scarborough


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[arista]

Friday 5 /2/21

Today 1,014 have died

19,114 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
30,508

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,572


111,264Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Spain’s fallen off the list?


My Error
thanks.




60,802 Spain deaths


Now Edited in.

[arista]

Nations Around The World above 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths

453,545 USA deaths
227,563 Brazil deaths
161,240 Mexico deaths
154,703 India deaths
110,462 United Kingdom deaths
90,241 Italy deaths
77,743 France deaths
74,005 Russia deaths
60,802 Spain deaths
60,065 Germany deaths
58,336 Iran Deaths
54,877 Colombia deaths
48,539 Argentina deaths
45,344 South Africa deaths
41,538 Peru deaths
38,344 Poland deaths
31,001 Indonesia deaths
26,467 Turkey deaths
24,429 Ukraine deaths
21,216 Belgium deaths
20,403 Canada deaths
18,731 Chile deaths
18,675 Romania deaths
16,826 Czechia deaths
14,968 Ecuador deaths
14,346 Netherlands deaths
13,482 Portugal deaths
13,091 Iraq deaths
12,832 Hungary deaths
12,028 Sweden deaths
11,833 Pakistan deaths
10,997 Philippines deaths
10,571 Bolivia deaths




Pro Data :https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


List Corrected
Thank You Cherie

[DouglasS]

Honestly can people not, just for one year, go on holiday within the UK and not go abroad? Is it really that hard? Do people have some sort of uncontrollable cravings for cheap beach holidays in dirty hotels?

It’s been two years of summer, not one though. People have every right to want to go abroad/on holiday, especially if they’ve been vaccinated

[The Slim Reaper]

Doing his best...

1357733764131024896

[arista]

Doing his best...

1357733764131024896


He is being pushed by some older Conservatives

[The Slim Reaper]

He is being pushed by some older Conservatives

You know better than that. It wasn't that long ago when you saw straight through Johnsons covid response.

[Zizu]

Soooo there are now trained sniffer dogs who can sniff out Covid sufferers ( including asymptotic ) with success rates between 94% and 100% !!

Why not have a couple at every airport ?

If they ‘find’ someone they can be given the 30 minutes LFD test ..

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03149-9




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[Zizu]

It’s been two years of summer, not one though. People have every right to want to go abroad/on holiday, especially if they’ve been vaccinated



As I understand it ... just because they’ve been vaccinated doesn’t mean they can’t get a mild or asymptotic dose of Covid plus they could still transmit it ..


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[Zizu]

Friday 5 /2/21

Today 1,014 have died

19,114 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
30,508

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,572


111,264Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Still 20,000 new infections and they could include gawd knows how many different strains/variants.

Supposedly restrictions will remain in place until the number is consistently below a 1,000 ( scientists actually would prefer it to be under 100 !!)


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[Vanessa]

I just got my letter for the vaccine.
I'm not sure if to wait for the gp to contact me or to book to a vaccinarion centre.
The centre won't have my notes about my chronic illness. :suspect:

[Zizu]

I just got my letter for the vaccine.

I'm not sure if to wait for the gp to contact me or to book to a vaccinarion centre.

The centre won't have my notes about my chronic illness. :suspect:



I’d get in touch with your practice and get him to ring you .. that’s just my take on things ..


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[Vanessa]

I’d get in touch with your practice and get him to ring you .. that’s just my take on things ..


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The letter says that the gp will contact me.
So I just have to wait.

[Kate!]

I just got my letter for the vaccine.
I'm not sure if to wait for the gp to contact me or to book to a vaccinarion centre.
The centre won't have my notes about my chronic illness. :suspect:

Thats quick Ness. Hope all goes well. Xx

[Vanessa]

Thats quick Ness. Hope all goes well. Xx

I'm a bit nervous about it. And I hate needles D:

[AnnieK]

I'm a bit nervous about it. And I hate needles D:

You'll be fine Ness. I would just get it done if I were you. My Dad has underlying conditions and he went to a centre, they asked him about his current medications and underlying conditions etc. The sooner you are vaccinated, the safer you'll feel

[Vanessa]

You'll be fine Ness. I would just get it done if I were you. My Dad has underlying conditions and he went to a centre, they asked him about his current medications and underlying conditions etc. The sooner you are vaccinated, the safer you'll feel

But I don't know if I'm allergic to any of the ingredients of the vaccine. :worry:

[AnnieK]

But I don't know if I'm allergic to any of the ingredients of the vaccine. :worry:

Do you have a lot of allergies?

[Vanessa]

Do you have a lot of allergies?

Not as far as I know.

[Zizu]

But I don't know if I'm allergic to any of the ingredients of the vaccine. :worry:



I’ll be the same when it’s my turn .. sadly I’m allergic to the whole range of penicillins :(

Hopefully that won’t be an issue with any of the vaccines...


Someone told me not to worry unless I had an EpiPen

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[Vanessa]

I’ll be the same when it’s my turn .. sadly I’m allergic to the whole range of penicillins :(

Hopefully that won’t be an issue with any of the vaccines...


Someone told me not to worry unless I had an EpiPen

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This is why I want to do the vaccination at my GP.
So I can ask them about this.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etfxux0U0AEvY1R?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vicky.]

There would be no point opening the pubs without alcohol surely..

Besides..it being the main reason people go to the pub, they would not be able to survive, paying wages and bills and stuff while not allowed to sell anything that makes them a profit! All the pubs I worked in..the markup and real money was in alcohol (though even there, they needed a steady stream most days..generally the only 'profit' was made on busy weekends, the few older men sitting there all day paid the bills/rent). Pop was pretty much just there for mixers..or the odd person who was driving/pregnant/not drinking. If it was every customer getting cokes and cordials..rather than a rarity, they would be bankrupt pretty soon. And thats assuming they have had enough cash to get thrugh the lockdown so far really. Quite sure a lot will be closed for good now. And those who can open, won't last long with a no alcohol rule..maybe they are actively trying to give wetherspoons and such the monoply for some reason..

Hopefully its just one of those stuid attention seeking headlines that are bollocks.

[Zizu]

There would be no point opening the pubs without alcohol surely..

Hopefully its just one of those stuid attention seeking headlines that are bollocks.



Sounds promising ;)

Maybe it’s the future.. I’d be happy to see schools reopening fully WITHOUT teaching staff :)


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[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210205/it-would-be-a-mess-merkel-and-macron-defend-eu-vaccine-strategy

our Merkel and France's Macron defend EU's vaccine strategy

[arista]

There would be no point opening the pubs without alcohol surely..

Besides..it being the main reason people go to the pub, they would not be able to survive, paying wages and bills and stuff while not allowed to sell anything that makes them a profit! All the pubs I worked in..the markup and real money was in alcohol (though even there, they needed a steady stream most days..generally the only 'profit' was made on busy weekends, the few older men sitting there all day paid the bills/rent). Pop was pretty much just there for mixers..or the odd person who was driving/pregnant/not drinking. If it was every customer getting cokes and cordials..rather than a rarity, they would be bankrupt pretty soon. And thats assuming they have had enough cash to get through the lockdown so far really. Quite sure a lot will be closed for good now. And those who can open, won't last long with a no alcohol rule..maybe they are actively trying to give wetherspoons and such the monoply for some reason..

Hopefully its just one of those stupid attention seeking headlines that are bollocks.


They are saying when Drunk
you Hug.

[Cherie]

Sounds promising ;)

Maybe it’s the future.. I’d be happy to see schools reopening fully WITHOUT teaching staff :)


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[user104658]

There would be no point opening the pubs without alcohol surely..

Besides..it being the main reason people go to the pub, they would not be able to survive, paying wages and bills and stuff while not allowed to sell anything that makes them a profit! All the pubs I worked in..the markup and real money was in alcohol (though even there, they needed a steady stream most days..generally the only 'profit' was made on busy weekends, the few older men sitting there all day paid the bills/rent). Pop was pretty much just there for mixers..or the odd person who was driving/pregnant/not drinking. If it was every customer getting cokes and cordials..rather than a rarity, they would be bankrupt pretty soon. And thats assuming they have had enough cash to get thrugh the lockdown so far really. Quite sure a lot will be closed for good now. And those who can open, won't last long with a no alcohol rule..maybe they are actively trying to give wetherspoons and such the monoply for some reason..

Hopefully its just one of those stuid attention seeking headlines that are bollocks.

I worked as a "chef" (ok it was mainly curries, macaroni cheese and various burgers) in a student pub when I was at Uni and can confirm that, yes, the food is basically sold "at cost" (covering the ingredients and staff), zero profit, and the main function was essentially to entice students in for delicious but relatively cheap food, knowing that they would then stay for at least 4 or 5 drinks.

[Ammi]

...a father and son finally having contact with each other, such a sign of our times...but so lovely that his son was the one to administer the vaccine to his parent...:love:...




A poignant vaccination reunited a father and son when pharmacist Aneet Kapoor gave his 79-year-old father the COVID-19 vaccine...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/family-reunited-son-gives-father-covid-vaccine-154016419.html

[bots]

This is why I want to do the vaccination at my GP.
So I can ask them about this.

when most people say they have an allergy to something, what they actually mean is they have an intolerance and they are very different beasts.

An intolerance might give you the squits or make you throw up. An allergy tends to be more serious like it would close up your windpipe, put you into shock or something very serious like that. Other examples of allergy would be something like hay fever where it makes your eyes stream and constantly sneeze.

If you have not experienced significant incidents like going into shock or difficulty breathing then you are probably good for getting the vaccine

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55895738

Police look into Covid Fraud
BBC Video Report 2mins26

[Vicky.]

Sounds promising ;)

Maybe it’s the future.. I’d be happy to see schools reopening fully WITHOUT teaching staff :)
:D Good luck. Maybe we can utilise some of the robotic advances the likes of Japan and such have made!

Oh god, now picturing a robot with a screen on with the teachers face, doing lessons remotely while the kids are actually in school...made me smile a bit for some reason, though its terrifying in another way!



They are saying when Drunk
you Hug.

Erm, people will hug even without booze given many have not seen civilisation for months now! And if the concern is people hugging, maybe pubs should be the last to open really. Seems a little silly, to say they can open but they are not allowed to make any profit, so those that DO open, are even more likely to close long term.

Not even sre how many will bother reopening..even if they are allowed to sell booze. As my husbands cousin owns a bar, and when they were told they could open again as usual, started getting dreys in as usual and, again, got left with a load of alcohol they couldn't sell when the random announcement came on about them closing again. Thats a fair few grand, each time. I doubt he will reopen this time for a long time..even if he 'can' given his loses already.

Mind he has a decent cash backup, but it seems wrong to expect him to use his savings, in order to allow others a bit of social life. He is already topping up furlough wages to 100%, as he feels bad, despite it not being his fault. So I guess that in itself proves he is 'well off enough' to open again.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1358052590987141120

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.130 new cases

166 new hospitalisations (1.983 in total)

22 new ICU patients (547 in total)

61 new deaths

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/positive-coronavirus-tests-top-one-million-but-daily-total-is-down-slightly/

Netherlands total of positive covid cases tops 1 million today

[Nicky91]

NL: due to bad weather all covid testing centres are closed tomorrow

[arista]

leaked paper shows
Plans would put end to David Cameron policies seen
as step towards privatisation of the NHS]


[According to the draft white paper,
the government is planning to reduce the role
of the private sector in NHS England
and give the health secretary greater control.

NHS commissioners would not be required
to put contracts out to tender,
which can draw competition from
competing health groups.
Instead, a new policy would leave the NHS
and local authorities to run services and
encourage them to work together more effectively.]


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/06/boris-johnson-planning-nhs-england-overhaul-leaked-paper-shows

[bots]

that sounds like good news, however, what looks good in a sound bite often doesn't translate well to the reality as brexit has shown

[arista]

Saturday 6/2/21

Today 828 have Died

18,262 Have Caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
29,326

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,505

Total UK Deaths : 112,092


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/