Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Cherie]

It seems to be talking about enshrining the “right” to request to WFH in law, and presumably stops companies from refusing it without a good reason.

The company I work for has already decided to go this route voluntarily and has made it permanent that people can choose to work from home whenever we want. It was already part of my contract from the start pre-Covid but I was a special boy back then :hee:. It’s basically just my arrangement expanded out for everyone.

Interestingly enough though, most people CHOOSE to be in the office about 50% of the time, Sinai don’t think it’s going to lead to dead cities and everyone working from home all the time.

I’d go in more and probably will at some point. Currently limited by childcare.

Make no difference to me I have worked from home since my youngest son was born and he is 22...so I think I trump your special boy status :hee:

I just find it odd as last August Bojo couldn't wait for people to get back to the office, I think it is a red herring myself

[user104658]

…it was always often the thing anyway …(…depending on the job obviously…)…that people were genuinely not feeling great so would arrange to go home…but what look at what they could do from home because it’s more at an own pace …‘I’ll go and work from home today or I’ll stay and work from home today…’…was always a thing for those were it was a feasible option…also because if full salary was paid for sickness, some always felt that it was a fair compromise to do what their illness allowed…

I dunno, a lot of companies weaponise sick leave these days, making threats and "doing investigations" if someone takes "too much", or simply keeping a log to use against people later at annual reviews or when they have other requests of their employer.

My company would never, of course, because we have all sorts of little badges and logos at the bottom of our emails to prove that we're super-nice and ethical and whatnot.

Working from home would indeed always have been an option but it'sbeen changed more so that you don't even need to give any reasoning at all, you can just decide "nah" and log in from home, whenever.

It would actually save the company quite a bit of money to go fully online and not keep physical office spaces at all, we really don't NEED them, but have found that people do want the option and like to be there in person to varying degrees. A few people still go in as often as is permitted by whatever-current-covid-says and I imagine will be in the office most of the time if things ever return to any sort of normality :umm2:.

Personally if childcare wasn't a factor and it was purely my choice, I'd probably go in 1 or 2 days a week. I might start going in for half-days next year when the older one starts high school, as they'll both be out earlier so I can get there for 9 then just take my lunch hour at like 2 and come home.

I'd probably be less inclined to sit here tapping on TiBB if there were other people around :suspect:.

[user104658]

I just find it odd as last August Bojo couldn't wait for people to get back to the office, I think it is a red herring myself

That's because they wanted people in the cities to keep the highstreet economy going. That's dead in the water now and they're introducing new taxes on online retail, which I think is probably just the start of them finally getting around to monetizing online business, so they're less bothered about people being physically in towns and cities so long as they're on the Digital Highstreet :hee:.

[Cherie]

That's because they wanted people in the cities to keep the highstreet economy going. That's dead in the water now and they're introducing new taxes on online retail, which I think is probably just the start of them finally getting around to monetizing online business, so they're less bothered about people being physically in towns and cities so long as they're on the Digital Highstreet :hee:.

still a lot of jobs depend on people working in towns and cities :shrug:

[Ammi]

I dunno, a lot of companies weaponise sick leave these days, making threats and "doing investigations" if someone takes "too much", or simply keeping a log to use against people later at annual reviews or when they have other requests of their employer.

My company would never, of course, because we have all sorts of little badges and logos at the bottom of our emails to prove that we're super-nice and ethical and whatnot.

Working from home would indeed always have been an option but it'sbeen changed more so that you don't even need to give any reasoning at all, you can just decide "nah" and log in from home, whenever.

It would actually save the company quite a bit of money to go fully online and not keep physical office spaces at all, we really don't NEED them, but have found that people do want the option and like to be there in person to varying degrees. A few people still go in as often as is permitted by whatever-current-covid-says and I imagine will be in the office most of the time if things ever return to any sort of normality :umm2:.

Personally if childcare wasn't a factor and it was purely my choice, I'd probably go in 1 or 2 days a week. I might start going in for half-days next year when the older one starts high school, as they'll both be out earlier so I can get there for 9 then just take my lunch hour at like 2 and come home.

I'd probably be less inclined to sit here tapping on TiBB if there were other people around :suspect:.


…yeah we’re super nice as well…:laugh:…as we’re in a caring/nurturing environment and definitely not a profit marking one …so I didn’t really think about ‘investigating’ ….and obviously it’s not a workplace that working from home is as feasible because it’s workplace based ..but planning time etc/non classroom time could be…some have always practised that in the past before COVID so the interruptions aren’t there etc….as I say, it depends on the job but yeah, also on the trust levels of employers as well …all quite a few levels to it….it’s nice to see that you seem really in tune with your job and loving it…:love:…

[user104658]

still a lot of jobs depend on people working in towns and cities :shrug:

They're needed as drones for the Amazon hive, Cherie. Don't you want the Amazon honey? DON'T YOU WANT THE HONEY??

[user104658]

…yeah we’re super nice as well…:laugh:…as we’re in a caring/nurturing environment and definitely not a profit marking one …so I didn’t really think about ‘investigating’ ….and obviously it’s not a workplace that working from home is as feasible because it’s workplace based ..but planning time etc/non classroom time could be…some have always practised that in the past before COVID so the interruptions aren’t there etc….as I say, it depends on the job but yeah, also on the trust levels of employers as well …all quite a few levels to it….it’s nice to see that you seem really in tune with your job and loving it…:love:…

I'm just still so grateful for the move to be honest Ammi. My old place of employment started automatic disciplinary procedures if you were off for any reason more than twice in 6 months. And the place I was before that (the only other full-time employment I've ever been in) was fine about time off - but I was working 45 hour weeks on a 0-hour contract so didn't get paid if I wasn't there.

Having people who genuinely care about my health and wellbeing is still a novelty, 2 years in :joker:.

[Ammi]

I'm just still so grateful for the move to be honest Ammi. My old place of employment started automatic disciplinary procedures if you were off for any reason more than twice in 6 months. And the place I was before that (the only other full-time employment I've ever been in) was fine about time off - but I was working 45 hour weeks on a 0-hour contract so didn't get paid if I wasn't there.

Having people who genuinely care about my health and wellbeing is still a novelty, 2 years in :joker:.

…yeah, I’ve lived with that for most of my working life, that nurturing environment that is obviously created for the children but it also extends to staff as well and also to parents…although, I know that all education establishments aren’t the same either and for some education staff, that isn’t the experience they have….how you’ve found that excellent fit with your job now also and how you’re feeling your worth in terms of care is something that will extend to and benefit all around you …..at least what I will say with your previous job…?…is that you thrived anyway in spite of…(…I know there would have been many times when you didn’t feel as though you were…)…but you did and that’s all part of how you’ve made this change happen…I really am thrilled for you…(…and Mrs TS and the little TS ladies….oh and puppy as well…:laugh:….)…:love:…

[arista]

if business can operate effectively with most employees working from home, it saves them a shed load in overheads, i'm sure they will be all for that



Yes Mega Savings

[Strictly Jake]

I've gone into isolation. There are covid cases at my daughter's school and today she has a really nasty cough and runny nose. So taken her for a PCR test before bless her she's only 5 she was screaming at me saying daddy please don't do this I wanna go home it was awful. I got one done too as still got a tickly cough so gonna isolate for the weekend to see where things lie

[AnnieK]

I've gone into isolation. There are covid cases at my daughter's school and today she has a really nasty cough and runny nose. So taken her for a PCR test before bless her she's only 5 she was screaming at me saying daddy please don't do this I wanna go home it was awful. I got one done too as still got a tickly cough so gonna isolate for the weekend to see where things lie

Hope you're all ok Jake. Its the sensible step to take at the moment. She will have forgotten it soon enough but its just awful to watch your kids going through something so traumatic Take care :love:

[arista]

The Government is in talks
with Andrew Lloyd Webber
letting him have a Pilot show
and not get arrested

Times Radio DAB Live


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9691869/The-Andrew-Lloyd-Webber-Ministers-plan-test-event-Cinderella.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/17/12/article-9695927-44340663-779_964x543.jpg

[Holidays in Europe could be back
ON for double-jabbed Brits:
Minister Jesse Norman confirms the Government IS looking
at allowing fully vaccinated travellers to skip quarantine
after visiting amber list countries
Ministers are reportedly looking at new rules
which will allow quarantine-free travel
from amber-list countries
Currently, those who travel back from
amber list countries, such as Greece,
have to self-isolate on their return
But, according to the Telegraph, under a new
system double-jabbed Britons will no longer
have to self-isolate
It comes as US chief medical advisor says
Britons might be able to travel more freely
to US by end of summer
Dr Anthony Fauci claimed Britain could
find itself in a 'very favourable position'
thanks to the June 21 delay]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9695927/Brits-two-Covid-jabs-allowed-travel-amber-list-countries-without-quarantining.html

[Ammi]

I've gone into isolation. There are covid cases at my daughter's school and today she has a really nasty cough and runny nose. So taken her for a PCR test before bless her she's only 5 she was screaming at me saying daddy please don't do this I wanna go home it was awful. I got one done too as still got a tickly cough so gonna isolate for the weekend to see where things lie

…:hug:…it’s horrid I know, Jake…but it’ll sadly be a future that our children will become familiar with and hopefully…(…for most..)…the fear will fade…

[Nicky91]

Japan: no longer in state of emergency, PM Suga said this


number of cases decreases a lot, and 15% of all Japanese people has at least one dose

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/17/12/article-9695927-44340663-779_964x543.jpg

[Holidays in Europe could be back
ON for double-jabbed Brits:
Minister Jesse Norman confirms the Government IS looking
at allowing fully vaccinated travellers to skip quarantine
after visiting amber list countries
Ministers are reportedly looking at new rules
which will allow quarantine-free travel
from amber-list countries
Currently, those who travel back from
amber list countries, such as Greece,
have to self-isolate on their return
But, according to the Telegraph, under a new
system double-jabbed Britons will no longer
have to self-isolate
It comes as US chief medical advisor says
Britons might be able to travel more freely
to US by end of summer
Dr Anthony Fauci claimed Britain could
find itself in a 'very favourable position'
thanks to the June 21 delay]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9695927/Brits-two-Covid-jabs-allowed-travel-amber-list-countries-without-quarantining.html

nicely timed, this will bump up the young getting jabs who might have been reluctant

[Nicky91]

nicely timed, this will bump up the young getting jabs who might have been reluctant

i still stick to my opinion, that those who socialize most now should have priority for the vaccine (this for me still feels the way to ''kill'' covid to give it less and less room to spread more easily)

also it shouldn't become a compulsory like they in Russia want to do now for bosses to order employees to vaccinate

i myself really don't want it, but i'll happily stick to distancing rules if i go out (on holiday for example)



as for Delta variant, idk why this one is more ''dangerous'' since symptoms are like a regular cold from what i read, i thought SA variant was more dangerous symptoms wise, stomach pains etc :shrug:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Caribbean island Sint-Maarten will still receive 19 million euro of corona aidpackage

twice was denied by our parliament


Sint-Maarten are independent within the kingdom, it first did not receive the support because the island had filed a complaint against Netherlands for racism at the UN because of their failing government issues

because they handled the case quite well now, it is very likely they will receive support now after all

[Cherie]

i still stick to my opinion, that those who socialize most now should have priority for the vaccine (this for me still feels the way to ''kill'' covid to give it less and less room to spread more easily)

also it shouldn't become a compulsory like they in Russia want to do now for bosses to order employees to vaccinate

i myself really don't want it, but i'll happily stick to distancing rules if i go out (on holiday for example)



as for Delta variant, idk why this one is more ''dangerous'' since symptoms are like a regular cold from what i read, i thought SA variant was more dangerous symptoms wise, stomach pains etc :shrug:

I wasn't thinking of you at all Nicky as you said you are never going abroad again, and it is also a UK thing so not sure why you thought I was talking about you

It was more for young people who want to travel I was referring to

I dont think it has been suggested Delta is more dangerous just more transmissible and they thought it might evade the vaccine but doesn't look like that is the case

[Cherie]

I've gone into isolation. There are covid cases at my daughter's school and today she has a really nasty cough and runny nose. So taken her for a PCR test before bless her she's only 5 she was screaming at me saying daddy please don't do this I wanna go home it was awful. I got one done too as still got a tickly cough so gonna isolate for the weekend to see where things lie

Hope it comes back negative for both of you :fc:

[arista]

Thursday 17/6/21

19 have Died.
11,007 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,227

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
208


127,945 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Thursday 10/6/21

7 Died
7,393 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,048

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,876 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 17/6/21

19 have Died.
11,007 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,227

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
208


127,945 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Oop

[arista]

Oop


Yes the Delta Variant
is spreading Fast, again.

[bots]

yes, thats more of a significant increase in deaths, but without the vaccination program we would probably be up to 1000 a day

[Strictly Jake]

Thursday 17/6/21

19 have Died.
11,007 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,227

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
208


127,945 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yeah it's going up scarily fast. Should have seen how busy it was at the Covid centre today!!

[arista]

Yeah it's going up scarily fast. Should have seen how busy it was at the Covid centre today!!


Nice of You to Help Out.

[Strictly Jake]

Nice of You to Help Out.

I didn't help out. Me and my daughter had to have PCR tests

[bots]

Nice of You to Help Out.

he was getting himself and his family tested .... not sure that's classed as "helping out" :laugh:

[arista]

I didn't help out. Me and my daughter had to have PCR tests



Yes thats the better test.

[arista]

They say It's now infecting more
of the Younger people

[user104658]

Oop

Deaths up 171%
Cases up 49%
Hospitalisations up 17%
On ventilator up 32%

https://media1.tenor.com/images/bca6b699de7365bfe28842f5de665c47/tenor.gif

[user104658]

They say It's now infecting more
of the Younger people

Tuuby Frr that's (hopefully) because most older age-groups are double-vaxxed.

[Vanessa]

They really need to focus on the younger people now.
Older people are covered already

[Strictly Jake]

It's defo running rampant in schools now. That's only gonna get worse and that's the unvaccined. Not sure what they can do about it. Thankfully youth plays a part in not being too serious. But these stats show hospitalisations and deaths going up even though all elderly and vulnerable have had the jab

[Zizu]

Deaths up 171%
Cases up 49%
Hospitalisations up 17%
On ventilator up 32%

https://media1.tenor.com/images/bca6b699de7365bfe28842f5de665c47/tenor.gif


The increasing numbers needing ventilation is a little concerning ... don’t 1 out of 3 pass away ?


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[Cherie]

It's defo running rampant in schools now. That's only gonna get worse and that's the unvaccined. Not sure what they can do about it. Thankfully youth plays a part in not being too serious. But these stats show hospitalisations and deaths going up even though all elderly and vulnerable have had the jab

Not all, its not mandatory, and some will not be able to have it

[Nicky91]

[/B]

Not all, its not mandatory, and some will not be able to have it

medical reasons you mean

[Cherie]

medical reasons you mean

Yes

[bots]

isnt the take up of the vaccine something like 90% in the over 60's, even with that great figure it still leaves over 1 million vulnerable people unvaccinated. Then there will be a group of vulnerable people where the vaccine wont have been effective because their immune systems arent working so well. Add that lot up and you can still potentially have huge numbers in hospital before you even think about younger people affected

[Zizu]

isnt the take up of the vaccine something like 90% in the over 60's, even with that great figure it still leaves over 1 million vulnerable people unvaccinated. Then there will be a group of vulnerable people where the vaccine wont have been effective because their immune systems arent working so well. Add that lot up and you can still potentially have huge numbers in hospital before you even think about younger people affected


This has been my concern for some time ..


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[Zizu]

It's defo running rampant in schools now. That's only gonna get worse and that's the unvaccined. Not sure what they can do about it. Thankfully youth plays a part in not being too serious. But these stats show hospitalisations and deaths going up even though all elderly and vulnerable have had the jab


They told school staff last year that pupils weren’t spreaders ..


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[Strictly Jake]

They told school staff last year that pupils weren’t spreaders ..


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Yeah I know they said that when I still had my school cleaning job last year. What a ridiculous statement. Everyone can spread it

[Crimson Dynamo]

isnt the take up of the vaccine something like 90% in the over 60's, even with that great figure it still leaves over 1 million vulnerable people unvaccinated. Then there will be a group of vulnerable people where the vaccine wont have been effective because their immune systems arent working so well. Add that lot up and you can still potentially have huge numbers in hospital before you even think about younger people affected

and we just have to get on with that

like we deal with everything else

[bots]

and we just have to get on with that

like we deal with everything else

well yes, providing the NHS is not crippled by admissions into hospital. I want us to open up, but i think we can still behave carefully. I had a lovely evening at the pub the other day, it was absolute bliss

[Crimson Dynamo]

well yes, providing the NHS is not crippled by admissions into hospital. I want us to open up, but i think we can still behave carefully. I had a lovely evening at the pub the other day, it was absolute bliss

the NHS will have to cope just like the entertainment industry is and all the other people who are up against it

[Zizu]

Yeah I know they said that when I still had my school cleaning job last year. What a ridiculous statement. Everyone can spread it


It did seem strange to us that kids could spread every known illness / disease to man APART from Covid19


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[bots]

It did seem strange to us that kids could spread every known illness / disease to man APART from Covid19


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we weren't dealing with the same variant back then. The delta variant is much more infectious so we are not comparing like with like

[DouglasS]

This is going to sound really selfish but I just want a night out in a club, and to go to a festival and to be able to work at client sites. I was hoping once every adult had been vaccinated and all 40+ had been double dosed it’d be allowed (19th July) - it looks like the goal post may be moved again and freedom may be another year (and another one again…) off. People are gonna lose their entire college/university years/life and that’s a shame.

I think on the 19th it should open up regardless, double dosing all 40+ is the best a country can do whilst the remaining adults have also all got protection from the first dose. Those also who don’t want the dose should be allowed freedom and rights also.

[bots]

This is going to sound really selfish but I just want a night out in a club, and to go to a festival and to be able to work at client sites. I was hoping once every adult had been vaccinated and all 40+ had been double dosed it’d be allowed (19th July) - it looks like the goal post may be moved again and freedom may be another year (and another one again…) off. People are gonna lose their entire college/university years/life and that’s a shame.

I think on the 19th it should open up regardless, double dosing all 40+ is the best a country can do whilst the remaining adults have also all got protection from the first dose. Those also who don’t want the dose should be allowed freedom and rights also.

at some point people have got to get used to the situation, and that is covid is going to be around for the rest of our lives and that people are going to die from it. Vaccination is doing a great job and now we have to get on with it. I think delaying clubs until the 18+ band have at least 1 jab is sensible, but thats probably as good as its going to get. We could offer the vaccine to children, but i think thats a different discussion entirely

[Zizu]

we weren't dealing with the same variant back then. The delta variant is much more infectious so we are not comparing like with like


It was still very infectious/contagious last year though and early this year ..the Delta variant has just taken things to a whole new level


Daily infections topped 60,000 in January for example

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

For Zizu

Covid-19 has reinfected nearly 16,000 people, Public Health England*figures have shown*for the first time.
Some 15,893 possible reinfections of coronavirus have been identified in England, according to data. Across the UK, 4.6 million have tested positive for Covid-19 since the start of the pandemic.*
Reinfections are defined as people who have tested positive for a second time at least 90 days after first testing positive for the virus.
Dr Susan Hopkins, strategic director for Covid-19 at Public Health England, which published the figures on Thursday, said while the rate was low, people should continue to follow the guidelines and make sure not to become complacent.
Of the 15,893 possible reinfections up to May 30, 53 have so far been confirmed by identifying genetically distinct specimens from each episode of illness, Public Health England said.
The figures are part of ongoing analysis into reinfection levels, which is currently affected by the limited availability of data for identifying the genomic sequence of the virus, particularly in the early months of the pandemic.
No room for complacency
Dr Hopkins said: “People are understandably concerned about whether you can catch Covid-19 more than once. While we know that people can catch viruses more than once, this data currently suggests that the rate of Covid-19 reinfection is low.
“However, it is important that we do not become complacent about this - it is vital to have both doses of the vaccine and to follow the guidance at all times to reduce your chance of any infection.
“We continue to learn more each day about this virus and its variants. Through continued close monitoring and research, we will understand how best we can control outbreaks and the impact this virus will have on society over the coming years.”


The Telegraph

[bots]

without a vaccination, different variants are going to re-infect, particularly if the anti bodies generated by catching it are short lived

[Cherie]

without a vaccination, different variants are going to re-infect, particularly if the anti bodies generated by catching it are short lived

It’s a pretty low number in the grand scheme of things

[Strictly Jake]

Got our PCR results back. We are negative. Which is good news

But my daughter has a really runny nose and her cough got so bad last night so I was so worried. Which shows how difficult it is going to be to identify this new variant

[arista]

Got our PCR results back. We are negative. Which is good news

But my daughter has a really runny nose and her cough got so bad last night so I was so worried. Which shows how difficult it is going to be to identify this new variant


Thats good you did not have longer delay
great News for you and your family

[Cherie]

Great new Jake

[bots]

Great new Jake

as distinct to the old untested jake :laugh:

[Cherie]

as distinct to the old untested jake :laugh:

:joker:

[Cherie]

Sky seem to have ceased putting up vaccination numbers :oh:

[Ammi]

Got our PCR results back. We are negative. Which is good news

But my daughter has a really runny nose and her cough got so bad last night so I was so worried. Which shows how difficult it is going to be to identify this new variant

…great news…:love:…I think maybe in time it will become easier to identify because that ‘new’ won’t factor in so more identifying key things will be known…it’s all a huge new thing in everyone’s life atm…

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: lesser bankruptcies than in other EU countries, such as Spain, Romania and few others

this is because of our great covid aid package, same goes for France, Belgium also lesser bankruptcies than expected

https://netherlandsnewslive.com/fewer-bankruptcies-in-the-netherlands-more-in-many-eu-countries/179123/


some good news as for businesses here :love:

[arista]

Wales Leader has told Times Radio DAB
that the Delta Variant is 95% of their cases

He also wants 4 weeks until to open up.

[arista]

Notting Hill Carnival
is now cancelled, again.


Because of the month extension.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57523286

[Zizu]

Notting Hill Carnival
is now cancelled, again.


Because of the month extension.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57523286


Why can’t they just delay it ...


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[bots]

Why can’t they just delay it ...


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its the last bank holiday of the year

[Zizu]

Ahh

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

533 total hospitalisations (decrease of 40 compared to yesterday) wednesday it was at 602 so in two days time it has decreased with 72

218 total ICU patients (decrease of 8 compared to yesterday) 4 new ICU patients

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tonight a press conference by PM Mark Rutte and health minister Hugo de Jonge regarding the relaxing of measures which will go in as of next week 26th

likely they will announce to get rid of face mask compulsory if there can be kept to 1.5 metre distancing, and no longer the advice to work from home active, and possibly more relaxings in the entertainment industry, pubs/bars/restaurants

[user104658]

Netherlands: tonight a press conference by PM Mark Rutte and health minister Hugo de Jonge regarding the relaxing of measures which will go in as of next week 26th

likely they will announce to get rid of face mask compulsory if there can be kept to 1.5 metre distancing, and no longer the advice to work from home active, and possibly more relaxings in the entertainment industry, pubs/bars/restaurants

I mean... the delta variant is definitely going to take off there at some point and these numbers are going to start heading in the other direction... this all seems a bit premature.

[bots]

Delta will sweep through the world unless another variant even more infectious beats its ass

[arista]

Friday 19/6/21

11 have Died
10,476 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,251

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
210

127,956 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Friday 11/6/21

17 have Died
8,125 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,058


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,944 Total UK Deaths

Note they have again changed the UK Total Deaths
Decreased again.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Friday 19/6/21

11 have Died
10,476 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,251

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
210

127,956 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/18/17/article-9700213-44394751-933_964x543.jpg


Scottish Covid Spreaders

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/18/14/44388323-9700213-image-m-31_1624023311145.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/18/13/44385459-9700213-image-a-13_1624018421424.jpg


No masks - Spreading Covid

[user104658]

.

Deaths down 35%
New cases up 29%
Hospitalisations up 18%
Ventilator up 33%

Deaths figure is "encouraging" - it's potentially not actually down, but this mitigates a good chunk of the large rise yesterday if you average out over the two days. If it had been up again today that would have been a very bad sign.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/18/07/44364281-9696339-Scotland_football_fans_climb_the_William_Shakespea re_fountain_in-a-3_1623997417785.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9700213/Tartan-Armys-night-carnage-Scotland-fans-*********icester-Square.html

[Nicky91]

Deaths down 35%
New cases up 29%
Hospitalisations up 18%
Ventilator up 33%

Deaths figure is "encouraging" - it's potentially not actually down, but this mitigates a good chunk of the large rise yesterday if you average out over the two days. If it had been up again today that would have been a very bad sign.

deaths are important but not as important as hospitalisation, ventilator/ICU numbers, especially the rise in ventilator is quite worrying

it really shocks me to see UK with these bad figures all because of the Delta variant, which could've been easily prevented if a travel ban was delivered sooner

never thought my nation, and other EU countries would be doing better than UK this time of year

our numbers for example are lowest figure in last 9 months

[Cherie]

deaths are important but not as important as hospitalisation, ventilator/ICU numbers, especially the rise in ventilator is quite worrying

it really shocks me to see UK with these bad figures all because of the Delta variant, which could've been easily prevented if a travel ban was delivered sooner

never thought my nation, and other EU countries would be doing better than UK this time of year

our numbers for example are lowest figure in last 9 months

The UK figures are not much different to the Netherlands and you have 1/3 of the population
:shrug:


The 33% rise in vents equates to 50 people in a week, less than 10 a day not exactly a massive rise

[Nicky91]

sooo our data from eurovision song contest got back, test results

During the nine shows of the Eurovision Song Contest, 48 of the 29,875 visitors were possibly infected with the coronavirus. That comes down to over five people per show, according to figures from the GGD. Thirteen people were already infected with corona during the Eurovision Song Contest.

The organisation of test events on behalf of the government, Fieldlab Events, announced the figures late Thursday afternoon. The 48 people who were possibly infected during the Eurovision Song Contest are only visitors. The infections among crews, volunteers, press and delegates will be announced later this month.

48 infections out of 29,875 people equals an average of 1.6 per 1000 people. In the period when the Eurovision Song Contest was held, the national average was 4.9 infected people per 1000. "That is more than three times the number of infections among visitors to the Eurovision Song Contest," notes the Fieldlab Events.



only 48 'possible' infections out of nearly 30.000 visitors is really really good, to have kept it at such a minimum and not a superspreader event, so it is possible to organize big music events with audience like this, and with these strict health/safety protocols

[user104658]

deaths are important but not as important as hospitalisation, ventilator/ICU numbers, especially the rise in ventilator is quite worrying

it really shocks me to see UK with these bad figures all because of the Delta variant, which could've been easily prevented if a travel ban was delivered sooner

never thought my nation, and other EU countries would be doing better than UK this time of year

our numbers for example are lowest figure in last 9 months

I don't mean to be a doom-predictor Nicky but Europe has been several weeks "behind" the UK for quite a while, and we were at our lowest numbers since last summer very recently.

Delta variant is certainly already in Europe, and numbers will start heading back up soon because of that.

[Cherie]

sooo our data from eurovision song contest got back, test results

During the nine shows of the Eurovision Song Contest, 48 of the 29,875 visitors were possibly infected with the coronavirus. That comes down to over five people per show, according to figures from the GGD. Thirteen people were already infected with corona during the Eurovision Song Contest.

The organisation of test events on behalf of the government, Fieldlab Events, announced the figures late Thursday afternoon. The 48 people who were possibly infected during the Eurovision Song Contest are only visitors. The infections among crews, volunteers, press and delegates will be announced later this month.

48 infections out of 29,875 people equals an average of 1.6 per 1000 people. In the period when the Eurovision Song Contest was held, the national average was 4.9 infected people per 1000. "That is more than three times the number of infections among visitors to the Eurovision Song Contest," notes the Fieldlab Events.



only 48 'possible' infections out of nearly 30.000 visitors is really really good, to have kept it at such a minimum and not a superspreader event, so it is possible to organize big music events with audience like this, and with these strict health/safety protocols

Great figures, obviously well organised :clap1:

[arista]

London is Overloaded
with 20,000 Scottish fans
many no tickets to watch it.


They are jam packed in those photos
Drunk - No Masks



This is going to Spread Covid-19

[Cherie]

London is Overloaded
with 20,000 Scottish fans
many no tickets to watch it.


They are jam packed in those photos
Drunk - No Masks



This is going to Spread Covid-19

depends if they have taken up the offer of the jab I suppose, Scotland has been offering to over 18s for about a month

[MTVN]

depends if they have taken up the offer of the jab I suppose, Scotland has been offering to over 18s for about a month

Is that not Wales?

[arista]

1405911787418099713



Arrest him then.

[arista]

depends if they have taken up the offer of the jab I suppose, Scotland has been offering to over 18s for about a month



Yes but I am sure many are not Vaccinated


One Group had the Sense to rent a Boat on the Thames
Not overloaded.
ITVnewsHD.

In Leicester Square its Jammed Packed with Scottish Fans
with no place to watch the game?

[user104658]

Breaking News: Football Fans Are Idiots.

:worry: who could have known.

[bots]

Yes but I am sure many are not Vaccinated


You don't know that Arista, so you can't be sure at all

[Cherie]

Is that not Wales?

24th May Scotland

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19324231.coronavirus-18-29-year-olds-scotland-invited-register-online-covid-vaccinations/

whats the take up like TS?

[MTVN]

24th May Scotland

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19324231.coronavirus-18-29-year-olds-scotland-invited-register-online-covid-vaccinations/

whats the take up like TS?

Ah OK interesting, it does say that's just registration though and that the appointments would begin mid-June so probs not too many have had theirs yet

[Cherie]

Ah OK interesting, it does say that's just registration though and that the appointments would begin mid-June so probs not too many have had theirs yet

My bad when that was reported it intimated they were being called...not registered....typical

[arista]

You don't know that Arista, so you can't be sure at all


Of course
Its hard to know the number of vaccinated
jam packed in London.


But if some have not
then Covid would be spread

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
has a Reporter in South America
in Brazil, so many Mothers have
died while giving Birth
because they have Delta Covid 19
The Government has asked Mothers
to not get Pregnant?

[Vicky.]

Asked women not to get pregnant!? How on earth did they word that request?! Surely it's not just the women who need such a warning too. Am just trying to imagine Boris coming on his conference and saying like.. 'cocid levels are rising, do not have any unprotected sex ladies else you will be responsible for deaths!' or something. Mind..Not too wildly different to 'it is now illegal to have sexual contact or even kiss or hug, or speak to at that, anyone outside tour household I guess, which seemed fine! :joker:
(I do know the situation in Brazil is much worse than here though. And am not mocking their situation, as it's awful. Just finding the request for no-one to get pregnant quite odd really at the min!)

[Vicky.]

I also think the birth death rate is high in Brazil to start with sadly. Like many other things..violence and such being one. Am not too sure it's delta covid causing high mortality rate in mothers, though as with rest of post, will look up stats In morning to see if significant rises have happened.. They seem to struggle with a fair few things we take for granted like. Wonder if it's a numbers game or not, meaning..does it just look like they have high birth mortality rate as there are so many people, or for another reason? Mainly posting this to remind myself to check stats in morning on that. As it's not something I have thought much into besides 'it must be awful to be part of X group in Brazil' which on second thought may be a bit unfair on Brazil if it is actually relative to the amount living there rather than very very high actual stats on a population level

Edit. Now thinking this whole post just looks waffley tbh. But need to leave it for a bit to remind me to search :blush2:

[arista]

Asked women not to get pregnant!? How on earth did they word that request?! Surely it's not just the women who need such a warning too. Am just trying to imagine Boris coming on his conference and saying like.. 'cocid levels are rising, do not have any unprotected sex ladies else you will be responsible for deaths!' or something. Mind..Not too wildly different to 'it is now illegal to have sexual contact or even kiss or hug, or speak to at that, anyone outside tour household I guess, which seemed fine! :joker:
(I do know the situation in Brazil is much worse than here though. And am not mocking their situation, as it's awful. Just finding the request for no-one to get pregnant quite odd really at the min!)


Yes but so tragic Mothers having a baby
and having Delta Covid-19,
so many have died.

They Flew the skynews drone over the
massive graves that are increasing.

In Brazil, it is far Worse
as the Vaccinations are not being done
like the UK.

[Vicky.]

How many extra mothers have died because of deltacovid arista, do you know or can you currently use Google effectively? Am on phone so can do nowt, cannot get used to typing on here instead of laptop! And phone seems to do random crap on it's own so try to do the bare minimum really!

[arista]

[COVID-19: UK's longest-known coronavirus patients dies
after choosing to withdraw from treatment

The 49-year-old had spent more than 13 months
in intensive care after contracting the
disease in March last year.


Jason Kelk, 49, had spent more than a year
in intensive care at St James' Hospital in
Leeds after contracting coronavirus in March 2020.
He was transferred to a hospice yesterday
morning and died surrounded by his family.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uks-longest-known-coronavirus-patient-jason-kelk-dies-after-withdrawing-from-treatment-12336139

[arista]

How many extra mothers have died because of deltacovid arista, do you know or can you currently use Google effectively? Am on phone so can do nowt, cannot get used to typing on here instead of laptop! And phone seems to do random crap on it's own so try to do the bare minimum really!


COVID-19: Pregnant women and their
unborn babies dying in Brazil as deaths set to pass 500k mark

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pregnant-women-and-their-unborn-babies-dying-in-brazil-as-covid-deaths-set-to-pass-500k-12336058

[Vicky.]

And really to me, we should be giving our vaccine stock to places like Brazil and India and others. Instead of playing the 'can we get every person in the country vaccinated before everyone else's race imo, now seeming to be moving onto fit very young people.. High risk people, whichever country they are from, should be prioritised. I might be alone in this but am angry, not happy/relieved, that we are doing 20 year olds now pretty much, whilst some vulnerable over 80s are just waiting for something that has huge potential to save their lives, by virtue of being 'unlucky' with where they were born like.

[Vicky.]

'Brazil maternal mortality ratio was at level of 60 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2017, down from 62 deaths per 100,000 live births previous year, this is a change of 3.23%.'

And

The birth rate for Brazil in 2018 was 14.073 births per 1000 people, a 1.12% decline from 2017.


Using earlier years so it's clearly not affected by covid. Recent stats may have changed somewhat

I mean, my stats head isn't too clear at the min but these together do not look good to start with and I don't think an increase of 40 a week is cause for alarm given usual numbers? I may be estimating wrong mind, and will gladly say so later if am wrong. Could do with TS here like, assuming he's still resident stats guy:tongue:

Tldr; I feel there is a large chance that bit may be scaremongering, where scaremongering is REALLY not necessary as the actual situation is bad enough without embellishments.. I hate the word scaremongering generally but there isn't really another word to describe the press behaviour duringmuch of this crisis. Bipolar reporting between 'nothing to see here, never has been, bad controlling Tories' and the much more common 'omg we are all gonna die if we do not get 99.99999% of the world vaccinated. We are basically fighting the reincarnation of the plague' when really, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.:laugh:

[arista]

From the Brazil link

["In 2021 we observed an increase in pregnant women
affected by COVID, likely because of the new strain.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pregnant-women-and-their-unborn-babies-dying-in-brazil-as-covid-deaths-set-to-pass-500k-12336058

[Vicky.]

Have been trying to book my own anyway (hypocritical maybe given I don't think I should have been offered it but..yeah) and 3 times now they have told me to go to hartlepool. Which is about 2 hours, maybe more with changes, each way on bus. Meanwhile I know people my age And younger(So it's not a case of closer places prioritising the vulnerable here) who got it at..our local gp, the chemist, bloody asda 5 mins away, 2 local pop up testing centres( which have now closed as next to no infection, while apparently infections are soaring?! Weird excuse to me) and finally, the local hospital (not a&e obv)

So I remain among the few unvaccinated really. Until they stop being so awkward and basically expecting me to cross country or something when there's a place 2 mins away!

[Vicky.]

From the Brazil link

["In 2021 we observed an increase in pregnant women
affected by COVID, likely because of the new strain.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pregnant-women-and-their-unborn-babies-dying-in-brazil-as-covid-deaths-set-to-pass-500k-12336058

Thanks but i already read that one. And
Commented
on it so not sure why you posted it
Again :suspect:

Life in the city.

[arista]

Have been trying to book my own anyway (hypocritical maybe given I don't think I should have been offered it but..yeah) and 3 times now they have told me to go to hartlepool. Which is about 2 hours, maybe more with changes, each way on bus. Meanwhile I know people my age (So it's not a case of gp prioritising the vulnerable here) who got it at..our local gp, the chemist, bloody asda 5 mins away, 2 local pop up testing centres( which have now closed as next to no infection, while apparently infections are soaring?! Weird excuse to me) and finally, the local hospital (not a&e obv)

So I remain among the few unvaccinated really. Until they stop being so awkward and basically expecting me to cross country or something when there's a place 2 mins away!


Is it a AstraZeneca
As a Journalist went on TV saying she can no longer get that one
she wants her 2nd jab.

[Vicky.]

Is it a AstraZeneca
As a Journalist went on TV saying she can no longer get that one
she wants her 2nd jab.

No clue. I don't think you find out til you get it? Most I know didn't anyway, though of course they knew what second one will be.

Am dreading it really. As I know I had covid. I still have 'long covid'(Though calling it that feels wrong, all I have really is taste not 100% still, and a bit of a knackered chest. Which is obviously great when people look at you like a nuke for coughing slightly..) And anecdotally it seems most I know who were quite ill with first one were those who had previously had covid at some stage. So am basically expecting to purposely invoke a night or 2 of (mini, as it doesnt sound quite as bad as covid itself)severe flu symptoms, on purpose. To protect me from an illness that largely appeared to be..a short, intense flu that made me lose taste and smell. My brain cannot help bit see this as silly, purposely getting ill to avoid maybe getting a bit ill at some stage in the future ( but unlikely as natural response may work aswell as vaccine anyway!)But I still feel I need to do it, very odd really.

Totally get high risk people getting it and while I have not been the most panicky of people even when things looked terrifying..I feel huge relief my dad is now jabbed, I have to say. I didn't realise how worried I was about him until the worry lifted.. :love:

[arista]

But they will ask you
If you have had all that - you will be Not Permitted

[Zizu]

How many extra mothers have died because of deltacovid arista, do you know or can you currently use Google effectively? Am on phone so can do nowt, cannot get used to typing on here instead of laptop! And phone seems to do random crap on it's own so try to do the bare minimum really!


It’s averaging 42 pregnant women dying each day ( Brazil)


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[Vicky.]

It’s averaging 42 pregnant women dying each day ( Brazil)


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A week not a day :p accidental scaremongerer you! :tongue:

[bots]

the stats coming out of brazil on covid are extremely dodgy to put it mildly. We cannot use brazil as an accurate source of information. We all know this fgs

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/06/dutch-scrap-most-covid-rules-from-june-26-holidaymakers-asked-to-take-a-test-on-return/

Netherlands: recap of our press conference last night


we scrap most covid rules from June 26th, holidaygoers asked to take a test on return


Youngsters returning from abroad after celebrating passing their exams can have a test at a regional health board from Monday. ‘I can’t emphasise enough that coronavirus is not gone,’ health minister Hugo de Jonge said. ‘That is why we are asking everyone who comes back to take a test.’

Nevertheless, there are several uncertainties which can change the current optimism, Rutte said. Firstly, it remains to be seen what the vaccination rate is and if all population groups are well covered.

In addition, there could be new variants. People may also bring infections back from holiday and, said Rutte, we do not yet know what the seasonal impact is.
.

so we might have to go into another national lockdown maybe upcoming winter we don't know yet

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: as of tomorrow german tourists are again welcome in 3 provinces Groningen, Friesland, Zeeland

the german authorities have said these areas in Netherlands are no longer risk areas, the regional differences in terms of covid numbers are too big to give permission for those other provinces

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: week average numbers

last 7 days an average of 957 positive tests registered, friday this average was at 1.032 and last week Saturday the average was at 1.493



today 3 new deaths, not the case this happened in last 24 hours since some deaths are added later on


the number of deaths which is reported each day, is for the 11th day in a row lower than 10, last 7 days total of 19 covid deaths registered



some good news again

[arista]

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[arista]

Saturday 19/6/21

14 have Died
10,321 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,316

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
210


127,970 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Saturday 12/6/21

12 have Died
7,738 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,896 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Saturday 19/6/21

14 have Died
10,321 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,316

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
210


127,970 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Brazil: more than half million deaths of covid


the last few days death average: more than 2.000



daily number of new cases: more than 70.000



according to official numbers on vaccinations: less than 12% of the population had a jab

experts fear the number of patients will drastically increase now it'll become winter in the southern areas




well who to blame for these horrible numbers, President Bolsonaro of course with his lacklustre approach, also refusing a new lockdown which could damage the economy, well tbh if ur numbers are that bad, then **** the economy, health should come first

[arista]

Yes Nicky
SkyNewsHD has Stuart Ramsey in Brazil
who gave a shocking report.

Election Next Year.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-brazil-surpasses-half-a-million-12336730

[Cherie]

New real-world study data from Public Health England (PHE) has demonstrated that two doses of either Pfizer/BioNTech or AstraZeneca’s (AZ) COVID-19 vaccines are ‘highly’ effective against the Delta variant (previously known as the Indian variant).
The study included 14,019 individuals in England who had tested positive for the Delta variant, of which 166 were hospitalised between 12 April and 4 June.
According to the data, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 96% effective against hospitalisation or death caused by the Delta variant following two doses.
The AZ vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalisation or death from the Delta variant after two doses.
The data also showed that a single dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 94% effective at preventing hospitalisation, while AZ’s jab was 71% effective after the first dose.

[user104658]

New real-world study data from Public Health England (PHE) has demonstrated that two doses of either Pfizer/BioNTech or AstraZeneca’s (AZ) COVID-19 vaccines are ‘highly’ effective against the Delta variant (previously known as the Indian variant).
The study included 14,019 individuals in England who had tested positive for the Delta variant, of which 166 were hospitalised between 12 April and 4 June.
According to the data, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 96% effective against hospitalisation or death caused by the Delta variant following two doses.
The AZ vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalisation or death from the Delta variant after two doses.
The data also showed that a single dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 94% effective at preventing hospitalisation, while AZ’s jab was 71% effective after the first dose.


These seem to change every week but I’m starting to suspect the 30% figures that were floating about were totally fabricated as a vaccine incentive.

[bots]

they wanted people to get both shots rather than just take the one, so they seem to have pushed that only 1 jab wasn't very effective, but then it was super effective in january when they wanted everyone to have at least 1 jab protection. It can't be both things :laugh:

[arista]

Sunday 20/6/21

6 have Died
9,284 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,316

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
210

127,976 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Sunday 13/6/21

6 have Died.
7,490 have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
158


127,904 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Sunday 20/6/21

6 have Died
9,284 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,316

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
210

127,976 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Strictly Jake]

they wanted people to get both shots rather than just take the one, so they seem to have pushed that only 1 jab wasn't very effective, but then it was super effective in january when they wanted everyone to have at least 1 jab protection. It can't be both things :laugh:

I'm really not trusting all these government rules at the moment. I think a lot of lies and misinformation are spread and they are being quite controlling and using it to their advantage to suit when needed. I'm not even trusting how effective the vaccines really are and I think deaths caused by vaccines are numbers that are getting hidden from us too. I'm really really not buying into certain things right now

[Zizu]

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Patients needing ventilation up by over 30% in seven days !


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[Cherie]

Patients needing ventilation up by over 30% in seven days !


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Shock horror 50 people in a population of 65 million it sure is a worry!!,

[DouglasS]

Shock horror 50 people in a population of 65 million it sure is a worry!!,

That’s less than 1 person per a city in the U.K. :laugh:
Maybe 0.3 per a hospital extra?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: yet again sending another 160.000 vaccine doses to Suriname, one shipment of 60.000 AstraZeneca doses on Wednesday, and next week sunday another 100.000 doses

[Zizu]

they wanted people to get both shots rather than just take the one, so they seem to have pushed that only 1 jab wasn't very effective, but then it was super effective in january when they wanted everyone to have at least 1 jab protection. It can't be both things :laugh:


It’s all so unsettling.

We have been told to start testing all our pupils again ( twice a week ) starting on Monday ... all extremely short notice as usual .

Staff getting training first thing Monday morning just before the pupils arrive in a delayed start .


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[Cherie]

That’s less than 1 person per a city in the U.K. :laugh:
Maybe 0.3 per a hospital extra?

I mean if it were 50 in the same ICU it might be a worry maybe :think:

[Zizu]

That’s less than 1 person per a city in the U.K. :laugh:
Maybe 0.3 per a hospital extra?


True but 30% each and every 7 days will soon start to have an impact ..


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[AnnieK]

It’s all so unsettling.

We have been told to start testing all our pupils again ( twice a week ) starting on Monday ... all extremely short notice as usual .

Staff getting training first thing Monday morning just before the pupils arrive in a delayed start .



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Why did you stop testing? All high schools local to me have never stopped. They dropped the masks requirement but most have re-instated that again now.

[bots]

excluding london, the numbers of infected are going down now in the hotspots. London has some areas with really low jab uptake, so it's going to show itself in the figures. If people dont take up the offer of the vaccine and then end up in hospital, there is no-one to blame but themselves

[Zizu]

Why did you stop testing? All high schools local to me have never stopped. They dropped the masks requirement but most have re-instated that again now.

Sounds like it’s a mixture of complacency as it looked like numbers were dropping fast plus the cost of all the testing was apparently very expensive .

It’s crazy given we’re extremely close to Bolton who are possibly the worst area in the whole country


Tests have been sent home of late .. trusting the parents to test their kids twice a week .

It’s doubtful many ever bothered though

Most pupils wear masks in class but about 40% flout the rules on the corridors

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[Cherie]

Netherlands: yet again sending another 160.000 vaccine doses to Suriname, one shipment of 60.000 AstraZeneca doses on Wednesday, and next week sunday another 100.000 doses

Super Neds

[arista]

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[Zizu]

1406663635288608769


My wife rang for an appointment .. . recorded message says .. “blah , blah , blah .. use Ask My Gp ! “

She logs onto the website and gets the message “ surgery is unavailable for online requests “

Tried loads of times not just the once .

This happens time and time again with other people and other surgeries loads of people incidentally - it’s not an isolated case

Utter bollox like lots of these systems


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[Strictly Jake]

When I clicked on this thread it went to the first page

What an eye opener. Nearly 1000 people were dying each day at the start of January and nearly 60000 daily cases and everyone was kicking off that Xmas was cancelled.

So in retrospect the numbers are unnerving but low actually. Can't believe where we were in numbers just 6 months ago!

[arista]

When I clicked on this thread it went to the first page

What an eye opener. Nearly 1000 people were dying each day at the start of January and nearly 60000 daily cases and everyone was kicking off that Xmas was cancelled.

So in retrospect the numbers are unnerving but low actually. Can't believe where we were in numbers just 6 months ago!



Yes, we have improved.
Posting Newspapers helps see so much as well.

On the First Post
I added the 2 Former threads
Check Shaun's 1st thread
that is a shocker of data.

[Strictly Jake]

Also when cases first started coming here a lot of us on here thought it wouldn't be a pandemic. It's crazy how fast it all changed reading through all the threads...

Massive headline news at the time when 1 person caught the virus a day. Now it's just shrugged off regardless of the number.

Apparently it is ok because of the vaccines we have now. A lot of officials in the older threads were quoted as saying a vaccine wouldnt work. This was in march last year.

Do the vaccines work against the new variants and if they are so effective then why do people need boosters in autumn when the vast majority have only just had their second dose. How often will these boosters be needed?

Sorry to be doom and gloom but I think we are going in for a big shock quite soon

[Cherie]

Yes, we have improved.
Posting Newspapers helps see so much as well.

On the First Post
I added the 2 Former threads
Check Shaun's 1st thread
that is a shocker of data.

a big thank you to you Arista for keeping this going, it's a brilliant reference thread

[arista]

[Covid jabs 'will be offered to 16 and 17-year-olds
before schools return in September' Ministers
want to give jabs to children for if medical experts
say it's safe to do so
Plans would see all students aged
16 and 17 offered a vaccine in August
Source said it can 'only be a
good thing' to cut virus transmission among teens]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9706727/Covid-jabs-offered-16-17-year-olds-schools-return-September.html


I hope more Youngers
go for this Vaccine.

[Cherie]

Also when cases first started coming here a lot of us on here thought it wouldn't be a pandemic. It's crazy how fast it all changed reading through all the threads...

Massive headline news at the time when 1 person caught the virus a day. Now it's just shrugged off regardless of the number.

Apparently it is ok because of the vaccines we have now. A lot of officials in the older threads were quoted as saying a vaccine wouldnt work. This was in march last year.

Do the vaccines work against the new variants and if they are so effective then why do people need boosters in autumn when the vast majority have only just had their second dose. How often will these boosters be needed?

Sorry to be doom and gloom but I think we are going in for a big shock quite soon

already posted Jake, the data is very good

[Cherie]

New real-world study data from Public Health England (PHE) has demonstrated that two doses of either Pfizer/BioNTech or AstraZeneca’s (AZ) COVID-19 vaccines are ‘highly’ effective against the Delta variant (previously known as the Indian variant).
The study included 14,019 individuals in England who had tested positive for the Delta variant, of which 166 were hospitalised between 12 April and 4 June.
According to the data, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 96% effective against hospitalisation or death caused by the Delta variant following two doses.
The AZ vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalisation or death from the Delta variant after two doses.
The data also showed that a single dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 94% effective at preventing hospitalisation, while AZ’s jab was 71% effective after the first dose.

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: no more weekly press conference from now on, no more outbreak management team meetings

we have fully opened up now (officially as of June 26th) but still, the partying in parks won't be stopped anymore either by police

[Nicky91]

my government made the right decision i think to reopen things now, when new cases, hospitalisation, ICU/ventilator totals are at a low peak in almost 8 or 9 months

good to work on the economy during this time too, but also good we decide to stick with 1.5 metre distancing society anyway



i feel for the UK, you guys were so close to reopening things, relaxing measures and now came the Delta variant with increase in the numbers

[user104658]

Also when cases first started coming here a lot of us on here thought it wouldn't be a pandemic. It's crazy how fast it all changed reading through all the threads...

Massive headline news at the time when 1 person caught the virus a day. Now it's just shrugged off regardless of the number.

Apparently it is ok because of the vaccines we have now. A lot of officials in the older threads were quoted as saying a vaccine wouldnt work. This was in march last year.

Do the vaccines work against the new variants and if they are so effective then why do people need boosters in autumn when the vast majority have only just had their second dose. How often will these boosters be needed?

Sorry to be doom and gloom but I think we are going in for a big shock quite soon

Booster schedule will most likely run similarly to the original so anyone who has just hade 2nd dose or not had 2nd dose yet isn't going to be first in line for a booster... it will start again from the most-elderly-and-vulnerable who were all being vaccinated right back at the beginning of the year. So, 6-9 months before the booster I guess.

Also boosters aren't uncommon for vaccinations and needing one booster doesn't necessarily mean repeated boosters will be necessary at all. Will just depend on whatever data emerges after they start giving them.

It's feasible that beyond this booster, further vaccinations will only be needed if there's a "shift" in the virus from a mutation that's large enough for it to become unrecognisable to current antibodies. Touch wood, despite occasional worries, there's currently little evidence that this has or will happen.

[bots]

from my small data sample, people are pretty much ignoring most restrictions now. They still respect social distancing to a certain extent, but everything else has gone out the window

[user104658]

from my small data sample, people are pretty much ignoring most restrictions now. They still respect social distancing to a certain extent, but everything else has gone out the window

More alarmingly, on Saturday I saw 3 people without masks on the way round the supermarket. Now to be fair, that's 3 people out of probably well over a hundred people I walked past, but I haven't seen ANYONE in a shop without a mask since probably last October...

[bots]

the numbers seem to be ticking up in Scotland now, as seems par for the course, 3 or 4 weeks after england gets it Scotland follows. And having just had 20k people in london where its on the rise, they are going to import a load of delta back into scotland

[Cherie]

from my small data sample, people are pretty much ignoring most restrictions now. They still respect social distancing to a certain extent, but everything else has gone out the window

yes same, lots of hugging going on, I am a bit of a loner in the back off stakes, not sure why some people are taking it as a personal affront :shrug:

I wouldn't mind but one of these people was hospitalised over Christmas with covid and now says she has long covid, but get up into my face why don't you!

[Zizu]

[Covid jabs 'will be offered to 16 and 17-year-olds
before schools return in September' Ministers
want to give jabs to children for if medical experts
say it's safe to do so
Plans would see all students aged
16 and 17 offered a vaccine in August
Source said it can 'only be a
good thing' to cut virus transmission among teens]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9706727/Covid-jabs-offered-16-17-year-olds-schools-return-September.html


I hope more Youngers
go for this Vaccine.


So maybe vaccinate some year 11s ( the ones that agree ) but none of the others in the school ?


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[arista]

Johnson PM on Both News Channels
says 19th of July
is the date he hopes for.

Going on about Flu and saying Nothing New,


Except Johnson Did Confirm after July 19th
More Lockdowns may happen.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-says-its-looking-good-for-19-july-but-wont-rule-out-further-lockdowns-in-the-winter-12337719

[arista]

So maybe vaccinate some year 11s ( the ones that agree ) but none of the others in the school ?





No, they do not want to go that low in age

[Cherie]

Pfizer has been approved for over 16s for some time, at least get them done, then see what's what

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays hospitalisation, ICU/ventilator totals

total of hospitalisations from yesterday 533 to now 491

total of ICU/ventilator from yesterday 200 to now 197

[Nicky91]

the numbers seem to be ticking up in Scotland now, as seems par for the course, 3 or 4 weeks after england gets it Scotland follows. And having just had 20k people in london where its on the rise, they are going to import a load of delta back into scotland

i don't know what you guys are doing wrong


because audiences are perfectly capable at football matches or literally any event, if managed well with proper strict testing guidelines, or proof of vaccination or proof of having had covid but recovered

or that must be that the people themselves are just lacklustre in UK going to other places than the football stadium too :skull:


because here we perfectly managed with our fieldlab test events and now we can organize events again here under same rules/guidelines

[arista]

Monday 21/6/21

5 have Died
10,633 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,316

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
223

127,981 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[DouglasS]

Is this starting to plateau now? Doesn’t look like a big jump from memory but can’t remember what the figures were like last week?

[arista]

Is this starting to plateau now? Doesn’t look like a big jump from memory but can’t remember what the figures were like last week?


No, on a Monday
lower in general after weekend.



And that amount that Caught it
is High.

[Cherie]

Monday 4/6/21

3 have died
7,742 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,089


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
161

127,907 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 21/6/21

5 have Died
10,633 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,316

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
223

127,981 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Zizu]

Is this starting to plateau now? Doesn’t look like a big jump from memory but can’t remember what the figures were like last week?


Aren’t the stats on Sat / Sun / Monday always a tad on the low side ..


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[Zizu]

No, on a Monday
lower in general after weekend.



And that amount that Caught it
is High.


Yeah think it’s the 6th consecutive day the infections are over 10,000 ..

That said the others will say ‘ it used to be 50,000 a day ! “


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[Zizu]

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Patients on ventilators up by 40% over a seven day period !!

That has to be a slight concern surely !!


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[Cherie]

Patients on ventilators up by 40% over a seven day period !!

That has to be a slight concern surely !!


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not to me!! please stop engaging with me on this thread I can't take your negativity any more

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays hospitalisation, ICU/ventilator totals

total of hospitalisations from yesterday 533 to now 491

total of ICU/ventilator from yesterday 200 to now 197

NL

585 new cases (lowest since September!)

[bots]

Patients on ventilators up by 40% over a seven day period !!

That has to be a slight concern surely !!


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no it's not. All the evidence shows that vaccinated people are being protected. If people choose not to be vaccinated, that's their decision

[arista]

Johnson Did Confirm July 19th
But New, More Lockdowns may happen.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...inter-12337719

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[Nicky91]

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its quite a jump in new cases, the total of hospitalisations is a concern too


ventilators total hmm, hopefully this one won't increase too much, but this is not too bad (i mean my nation in our third wave had a packed ICU/ventilator into 700/800 so from that perspective still some breathing space for doctors/staff anyway)

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i just hope my nation won't get affected by this delta variant too much, but i don't want to look into the future too much either, the here and now for my nation is more important, and great how everything is going down here, all time lows since 9 or 10 months ago which is amazing

[Vanessa]

Deaths are remaining low, so it means the jabs work.
We just need more time to finish the vaccinations.
We'll get there, I'm confident.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

the deaths figures are so crooked

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[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2
started with £350 Billion spending on Covid.
But all this spending means Taxes should go up?
The Borrowing means voters will change.
Levelling up plan not clear?

"Planning Reforms is in tatters"

(Sir Roger Gale, Conservative MP)

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Marion Koopmans: the so called Delta variant is mostly in Rotterdam area, majority of the cases of this one, comparing to the rest of the country

according to Koopmans, 3% of the new cases is the Delta Variant throughout the nation but in Rotterdam bit more, so according to her the basic simple measures must remain in effect to fight against this new strain of the virus


but she still agrees with government this is the time to relax some measures too otherwise people won't obey rules anyways and that also is not good

[Nicky91]

Netherlands the tuesdays usual recap of the numbers

last week 36% less new cases than the week before, ICU/Ventilator decreased with over a quarter compared to weeks before, and also hospitalisations total rapidly decreased, but the amount of travellers/holidaygoers testing positive goes up though


between 14 and 20 of June in total 160 new hospitalisations compared to 247 new hospitalisations the week before

32 total new ICU/ventilator patients compared to the total of 43 new the week before


number of infections

this week 5.714 compared to previous 2 weeks (week before: 8.981 and 2 weeks ago: 14.397 positive tests)


over 8% of the tests has been taken at holidaygoers/travellers, that share was last week 'only' 5,7% but the week before that was around the 1%

in total 471 travellers/holidaygoers got tested positive

they were mostly coming back from Portugal (192) and Spain (107)

according to RIVM it are mainly youth in age group between 17 and 24, they got the call last week too to let themselves get tested even if they had no symptoms


the amount of new deaths again decreased over last week, RIVM registered last week 17 new covid deaths, the week before that were 21 new deaths


% of infected people in Netherlands also decreasing a lot

last week 4.3% of the tests was positive, the week before that was at 5,2%

In Netherlands there are an estimation of 26.000 people contagious for others, the week before that was at 41.684



Saturday our parliament sticks to the relaxing of the remaining measures, no longer there being the face mask compulsory, and no more limitations for group meetings, house visits, the working from home advice is no longer there and almost all events will be allowed again too

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[AnnieK]

Netherlands: Marion Koopmans: the so called Delta variant is mostly in Rotterdam area, majority of the cases of this one, comparing to the rest of the country

according to Koopmans, 3% of the new cases is the Delta Variant throughout the nation but in Rotterdam bit more, so according to her the basic simple measures must remain in effect to fight against this new strain of the virus


but she still agrees with government this is the time to relax some measures too otherwise people won't obey rules anyways and that also is not good

Sadly, if its in the country now, it will spread as its so transmissible. It started here in one area and has spread out from there. Hopefully you can contain it but I think once they find it, its already going to spread. However, whilst our case numbers are rocketing, other numbers whilst increasing are staying comparatively low.

Whether it's wise to relax some measures will remain to be seen but hopefully your vaccines will do their job. :fc:

[Vanessa]

Sadly, if its in the country now, it will spread as its so transmissible. It started here in one area and has spread out from there. Hopefully you can contain it but I think once they find it, its already going to spread. However, whilst our case numbers are rocketing, other numbers whilst increasing are staying comparatively low.

Whether it's wise to relax some measures will remain to be seen but hopefully your vaccines will do their job. :fc:
Deaths are staying low, so that means the vaccine works.
Well be alright, but I think a booster in winter is a good idea.

[bots]

no country can stop the delta variant, the only thing they can do is vaccinate

[arista]

Tuesday 22/7/21

27 Have Died
11,625 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,378

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
227


128,008 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Tuesday 15/6/21

10 have Died
7,673 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,136

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
188


127,917 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 22/7/21

27 Have Died
11,625 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
1,378

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
227


128,008 Total UK Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

jump in deaths ..get your vax

[Beso]

I really need to sort out my vaccination tbh.

[Cherie]

I really need to sort out my vaccination tbh.

last weekend lots of the football grounds were hubs, just roll up, no NHS number needed either, probably be the same this weekend

[AnnieK]

There's a vaccination "bus" going round Salford today. Anyone can hop on and get first or second jabs (only Pfizer today) with no appointment etc. Lots of hubs popping up all over GM to deal with the surge in cases and get people vaccinated.

[DouglasS]

Ah those stats are a shame, I thought it was stagnating again. The vaccine efforts won’t be seen until 4 weeks after though on deaths which means things might be going in the right direction but there’s a lag

[arista]

jump in deaths ..get your vax


Yes big Jump today

27 Deaths


Been a while since we got that high

[Nicky91]

Sadly, if its in the country now, it will spread as its so transmissible. It started here in one area and has spread out from there. Hopefully you can contain it but I think once they find it, its already going to spread. However, whilst our case numbers are rocketing, other numbers whilst increasing are staying comparatively low.

Whether it's wise to relax some measures will remain to be seen but hopefully your vaccines will do their job. :fc:

stop fearmongering pls

no country can stop the delta variant, the only thing they can do is vaccinate

those whom socialize the most priority to vaccinate first pls, which is what i will keep saying


urgh all those stupid selfish youth going to other countries on holiday either


the socializers are the spreaders, kill off the virus with the vaccine, if it can no longer spread onto many people you can get it under control (or at least more control)


i don't socialize


Bots, i am not a anti-vaxxer anyway, i know vaccine is our way out of this, but i myself don't need it since i really basically don't have much contacts outside home, my mom is driving me crazy now trying to make me change my mind


i don't mind the jab itself, i hate needles but if you don't feel a thing ok, but i worry about with my age group and vaccine, i saw some heart related problems after the vaccine with more youngsters here so i am more scared of the vaccine than covid at this point


Delta doesn't scare me symptoms wise, and i've so far seen many younger people who are asymptomatic either



as for my necessary contacts such as dentist regular checkup haven't been there for almost 2 years now D: , well we have ordered special mini-brushes for between my teeth, and some floss water device, to try and remove plaque ourselves if that's possible

[Vanessa]

All we can do is keep vaccinating. Hopefully that will help.

[bots]

the number of deaths was lower yesterday, so its just an adjustment for that. Where deaths are concerned, it's better to take a 7 day average value

[Vanessa]

We'll be ok thanks to the vaccines.
Imagine the situation if we didn't have them! D:

[Nicky91]

the number of deaths was lower yesterday, so its just an adjustment for that. Where deaths are concerned, it's better to take a 7 day average value

which is what my nation does every tuesday, looking back on the past week's average comparing it to several weeks before

and our numbers are really going into the right direction


i mean now 'only' estimation of 26.000 people are contagious compared to the previous week of in the 41k which is like dropped down a lot



and it is good we know about Delta variant and where it is more than in other areas of the country, so lets hope these people can be quarantined properly and not that Netherlands will follow the UK on the exact same path

[arista]

There's a vaccination "bus" going round Salford today. Anyone can hop on and get first or second jabs (only Pfizer today) with no appointment etc. Lots of hubs popping up all over GM to deal with the surge in cases and get people vaccinated.


Yes more Zones must try this
Do they have a Bell Sound Or Funky Wah sound
on the bus?

[Ammi]

There's a vaccination "bus" going round Salford today. Anyone can hop on and get first or second jabs (only Pfizer today) with no appointment etc. Lots of hubs popping up all over GM to deal with the surge in cases and get people vaccinated.

…if it was a first vaccine, Annie…would you then get an appointment for the second one on the bus as well…?…(…it makes me start humming the Venga bus is coming…)…

[arista]

[COVID-19: UK reports 11,625 new cases
and another 27 coronavirus-related deaths

Tuesday's case numbers are the highest
since 19 February - when 12,027
new infections were recorded.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-11-625-new-cases-and-another-27-coronavirus-related-deaths-12339249

[bots]

…if it was a first vaccine, Annie…would you then get an appointment for the second one on the bus as well…?…(…it makes me start humming the Venga bus is coming…)…

i think even the bus companies can cope with a bus every 8 weeks :laugh:

[Beso]

last weekend lots of the football grounds were hubs, just roll up, no NHS number needed either, probably be the same this weekend

I've become such a lazy sod on my days off since lockdown, I didnt even go up London on Friday when I had booked the day off to do it.

I ain't slavered a day out all over tibb for ages.

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[arista]

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Scotland going later
Monday August 9th to Open Up.

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[Strictly Jake]

I think I have caught the delta variant. Or a really nasty chest infection it's really hard to tell with a symptom checker. I went for a PCR test last week it came back negative but my symptoms have got so much worse since then I can't stop coughing and it's really hurting my chest. When I try and sleep my whole chest and throat just rattle constantly. My wife just said she felt like suffocating me as I kept her up all night. I am headachy. My whole body hurts and I'm struggling to breathe out of my nose. Whatever this is is nasty. Prob best to go for another test but what if they aren't picking up a new variant

[arista]

I think I have caught the delta variant. Or a really nasty chest infection it's really hard to tell with a symptom checker. I went for a PCR test last week it came back negative but my symptoms have got so much worse since then I can't stop coughing and it's really hurting my chest. When I try and sleep my whole chest and throat just rattle constantly. My wife just said she felt like suffocating me as I kept her up all night. I am headachy. My whole body hurts and I'm struggling to breathe out of my nose. Whatever this is is nasty. Prob best to go for another test but what if they aren't picking up a new variant


I hope Not.
Yes Another Test
is the only way.

[AnnieK]

I think I have caught the delta variant. Or a really nasty chest infection it's really hard to tell with a symptom checker. I went for a PCR test last week it came back negative but my symptoms have got so much worse since then I can't stop coughing and it's really hurting my chest. When I try and sleep my whole chest and throat just rattle constantly. My wife just said she felt like suffocating me as I kept her up all night. I am headachy. My whole body hurts and I'm struggling to breathe out of my nose. Whatever this is is nasty. Prob best to go for another test but what if they aren't picking up a new variant

The tests do pick up the Delta variant Jake...that's why we know there is a surge in cases. Last year my cousin had symptoms but had a negative test...she went back 3 days later for another and was positive. Get a test to make sure and look after yourself xx

[Ammi]

I think I have caught the delta variant. Or a really nasty chest infection it's really hard to tell with a symptom checker. I went for a PCR test last week it came back negative but my symptoms have got so much worse since then I can't stop coughing and it's really hurting my chest. When I try and sleep my whole chest and throat just rattle constantly. My wife just said she felt like suffocating me as I kept her up all night. I am headachy. My whole body hurts and I'm struggling to breathe out of my nose. Whatever this is is nasty. Prob best to go for another test but what if they aren't picking up a new variant

…just to add to what Annie said, Jake…I feel also after so little contact and build up of immunity to other viruses as well over the last year, if we contact a virus like a cold virus etc…?…the symptoms may be a lot more severe so it could be that also and important to be tested to be more clear as to what’s causing you feeling unwell….let us know when you have the test again and you take care…:hug:…

[user104658]

I think I have caught the delta variant. Or a really nasty chest infection it's really hard to tell with a symptom checker. I went for a PCR test last week it came back negative but my symptoms have got so much worse since then I can't stop coughing and it's really hurting my chest. When I try and sleep my whole chest and throat just rattle constantly. My wife just said she felt like suffocating me as I kept her up all night. I am headachy. My whole body hurts and I'm struggling to breathe out of my nose. Whatever this is is nasty. Prob best to go for another test but what if they aren't picking up a new variant


Both me and my wife had a horrific cold 2 weeks ago… she was coughing a fair bit but I didn’t have much of a cough and the main symptoms were being really stuffed up etc so didn’t suspect anything until people started saying “Delta variant is more like a bad cold” :suspect:.

However my daughter had a cold the previous week (less bad… but then she is only 11) and we did get her tested and it was negative. Although it was 5 days after symptoms started so may have been a little late - they say ideally no more than 3 days for most accurate result.

I also was like “it can’t be, we’re both double dose vaccinated” but then again, they just say the vaccine is preventing hospitalisation and death, and none of us were hospitalised or dead sooo :shrug:

All of that said on balance I actually do think it was just a bad bug of some other variety - I guess it’s been easy to forget that those exist over the last year. So this post is mainly a roundabout way of saying… you may well just have some other random chest infection.

[user104658]

…just to add to what Annie said, Jake…I feel also after so little contact and build up of immunity to other viruses as well over the last year, if we contact a virus like a cold virus etc…?…the symptoms may be a lot more severe so it could be that also and important to be tested to be more clear as to what’s causing you feeling unwell….let us know when you have the test again and you take care…:hug:…


Yea I wondered this too Ammi. As said above, I think we did just have a cold, but I wondered if the lack of exposure to “little bugs” for over a year was the reason for it hitting harder. It was a particularly nasty cold and we’re both still a little fatigued from it even a week+ since all other symptoms were gone.

[Ammi]

….yeah our immunity levels must be shot to heck atm so if we contract something it’ll feel pretty grim…the Delta variant symptoms isn’t so much chest/cough focused, is it…?…I felt that I read that somewhere….

[Ammi]

Yea I wondered this too Ammi. As said above, I think we did just have a cold, but I wondered if the lack of exposure to “little bugs” for over a year was the reason for it hitting harder. It was a particularly nasty cold and we’re both still a little fatigued from it even a week+ since all other symptoms were gone.

…obviously we have flu deaths of the more vulnerable every year and that’s always been the way…but I read that there are forecast more flu deaths…(…almost an epidemic of them we could say..)…this coming flu season because a low immunity has meant that many more vulnerables have been created…it will all will have an impact…

[bots]

they have the capacity to test, so my advice would to not mess about and if you have any doubts, get tested. If you do have covid, the sooner you get treatment if its needed, the better.


This from the USA now:

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top Covid adviser in the US, has been talking to the BBC about the Delta variant, which has been spreading in the US.

He says the US is taking the Delta variant “very seriously” given the situation in the UK where it’s spread rapidly.

Dr Fauci warns that there are “pockets in this country” where the number of people getting vaccinated is “really quite low”.

There needs to be a push to get those people jabbed in the next few weeks, he says. Those people are putting the US at risk of a surge – although it won’t be a nationwide surge but regionally-based spikes, he adds.



So as expected, the delta variant is spreading out everywhere

[Nicky91]

they have the capacity to test, so my advice would to not mess about and if you have any doubts, get tested. If you do have covid, the sooner you get treatment if its needed, the better.


This from the USA now:

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top Covid adviser in the US, has been talking to the BBC about the Delta variant, which has been spreading in the US.

He says the US is taking the Delta variant “very seriously” given the situation in the UK where it’s spread rapidly.

Dr Fauci warns that there are “pockets in this country” where the number of people getting vaccinated is “really quite low”.

There needs to be a push to get those people jabbed in the next few weeks, he says. Those people are putting the US at risk of a surge – although it won’t be a nationwide surge but regionally-based spikes, he adds.



So as expected, the delta variant is spreading out everywhere


i thought the US had a great vaccine rollout, even better than UK :suspect:

[bots]

…obviously we have flu deaths of the more vulnerable every year and that’s always been the way…but I read that there are forecast more flu deaths…(…almost an epidemic of them we could say..)…this coming flu season because a low immunity has meant that many more vulnerables have been created…it will all will have an impact…

i think the flu thing is related to people mixing again. I've had "proper" flu twice i think in my life, so a year off in terms of immunity just wouldnt impact that.

I think the main worry is the pressure on the NHS from a typical flu season with a dollop of winter covid on top, which will be a strain on the NHS, and by it's nature, force us in to another restricted period to ease the hit on the NHS

[Nicky91]

also overreactions around this Delta variant :idc:


where was this alertness for any of the other variants, like brazilian or south african mutations which to me seem more dangerous, especially the latter one which symptoms are more awful either with stomach related problems


regular covid was also highly contagious, and spread out pretty fast throughout the country

i think we all can get this Delta under control if we just do better than at start of last year


so my advice, stay calm and stay alert, and stick to some of the basic measures (such keeping your distance, washing your hands, ventilating your rooms whenever you got someone over to visit) easy to follow rules i think

[Cherie]

Get yourself retested Jake, Delta is the dominant variant now so they would be unlikely to miss it on PCR

[Nicky91]

like with any strain Cherie :facepalm:


PCR test always is more accurate than the rapid antigen test for example, doesn't matter which mutation it is, they all are covid anyway

[bots]

the delta variant is the most transmissible variant to date, that's why it is sweeping the world. it is also more lethal to those not vaccinated. So, clearly it is something to be extra cautious about

[Cherie]

i thought the US had a great vaccine rollout, even better than UK :suspect:

Nicky you seem to be missing the point even though you remain unvaccinated yourself that even with in the most successful of roll outs some people will not take up to the jab

[Nicky91]

Nicky you seem to be missing the point even though you remain unvaccinated yourself that even with in the most successful of roll outs some people will not take up to the jab

my own choice, and i stick with that choice


also am i a 'spreader' NOPE, since i don't socialize



as for others who don't take the jab, well i cannot speak for any of them

[Cherie]

my own choice, and i stick with that choice


also am i a 'spreader' NOPE, since i don't socialize



as for others who don't take the jab, well i cannot speak for any of them

of course it is your choice but it is also the choice of many others you are not alone

[Vanessa]

I feel pretty safe now that I'm vaccinated and will gladly take the booster, if offered one this winter.

[user104658]

i think the flu thing is related to people mixing again. I've had "proper" flu twice i think in my life, so a year off in terms of immunity just wouldnt impact that.

I think the main worry is the pressure on the NHS from a typical flu season with a dollop of winter covid on top, which will be a strain on the NHS, and by it's nature, force us in to another restricted period to ease the hit on the NHS

It's not necessarily about getting it (symptomatic flu), you'll have been exposed to low viral loads of the flu virus countless times in your life without getting sick, sort of like an antibody rehearsal. It's rare for one person to get SICK from flu every flu season, more than once every 5 years would be pretty rare, but it's highly likely your immune system encounters it every year.

Same goes for general viral coughs & colds. Any country that was in heavy lockdown over winter is probably going to see an increase in the sniffles next year the first winter we're fully open for business.

[arista]

In Westminster on the Green
Pilots, Travel Operaters , Workers.
Are asking for the Government for a better amount of travel
and money,
One Lady with a Business has come all the way from Scotland.

Live on GBNews
BBCNewsHD, SkyNewsHD




The Problem is this Legal Action
will change nothing,


China's Covid -19 Infections
has wrecked the whole world

[arista]

In India
over 40 new cases have come up of a New Indian Variant
which is far worse

They are calling it Delta+


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-why-india-is-concerned-about-delta-plus-variant-and-a-third-wave-as-41-cases-detected-in-uk-12339709

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: in Amsterdam 40% of all new cases there at the moment are of Delta variant

last week that was only 10%, it increases rapidly, RIVM says


mainly youth with this delta variant, after returning from holidays in other countries



good they are aware of it anyway

[Cherie]

In India
over 40 new cases have come up of a New Indian Variant
which is far worse

They are calling it Delta+


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-why-india-is-concerned-about-delta-plus-variant-and-a-third-wave-as-41-cases-detected-in-uk-12339709

we should have no fear as India is on the red list :dance:

that's how it works right :shrug:

[bots]

we should have no fear as India is on the red list :dance:

that's how it works right :shrug:

yeah, no fear, just let thousands in for the wembley games, what could possibly go wrong there

[arista]

5PM Live Vaccine Minister Nadhim Zahawi
9 Downing Street Media Room.

[Cherie]

5PM Live Vaccine Minister Nadhim Zahawi
9 Downing Street Media Room.

He is going to tell us Jake has a new unidentified variant isn't he :laugh: