Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Nicky91]

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pictures of the aftermath of some of the riots

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/21/police-take-19-people-custody-hague-riots

Netherlands: police take 19 people into custody of the hague riots

Police reported on Sunday, they arrested 19 people during the riots on Saturday evening in The Hague. Earlier reports stated authorities took seven people into custody. The 19 people taken into custody were arrested for insult, public assault, disturbing the peace and refusing to follow police orders.

The riots occurred in the vicinity of Vaillantlaan after social media posts called for people to gather in The Hague and Katwijk. Police called for rioters to disperse around 10:30 p.m. A group of people refused to leave and confronted police, according to officers. An emergency order was issued for the Schilderswijk and Transvaal.

The remaining rioters set fire to items, including a garbage container. One person threw a stone through the window of a passing ambulance transporting a patient to hospital.

Rioters also destroyed traffic lights and pelted police with fireworks and stones. In some places, police dogs and officers on horseback were present. Five officers were injured during the riot, one of whom suffered a knee injury and a concussion while arresting someone.

Police restored order around 1 a.m.

Riots had also erupted on Friday night in Rotterdam, leading to 51 arrests and three people injured by gunshots. Minister of Justice Ferd Grapperhaus spoke on Saturday with Rotterdam firefighters who were on duty Friday evening. The firefighters said they had never experienced anything similar.

Rotterdam police chief Fred Westerbeke was angry about rumors that had been spreading about a casualty during the riots on Friday. "Creating fake news to start riots again that goes too far," Westerbeke said on WNL on Sunday. "The rumors simply aren't true."

In the Roermond neighborhood, De Kemp, dozens of young people caused unrest by bombarding police with heavy fireworks on Saturday. Police arrested 12 young people. An emergency order will be in force in Roermond until Monday morning.There were also disturbances in Bunschoten. According to a police spokesperson, about twenty young people set off fireworks in the Utrecht town and threw objects at a police car. The group eventually fled. Police did not arrest anyone.

Rioters also took to the streets in Stein and Urk. Grapperhaus spoke to the mayors of the affected areas and praised them for preventing them from letting the violence escalate further.

[arista]

Sunday 21/11/21

61 have Died
40,004 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital - Not Updated since Friday 19/11/21

Patients in ventilation beds - Not Updated since Friday 19/11/21


143,927 UK Total Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Sunday 21/11/21

61 have Died
40,004 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital - Not Updated since Friday 19/11/21

Patients in ventilation beds - Not Updated since Friday 19/11/21


143,927 UK Total Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


40,000 new infections on a bladdy quiet Sunday isn’t very comforting


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[arista]

40,000 new infections on a bladdy quiet Sunday isn’t very comforting



No
Folks catching this is High

Prof Bell (the American Living in UK)
was on Times Radio Tom Newton Dunn show
this morning.
He was saying being jabbed does not stop it spreading fast
that's a drawback.
It only stops a little.

Nothing like what the Other Prof
said on Marr.

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[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/22/nearly-30-arrests-third-night-rioting-multiple-dutch-cities

Netherlands: nearly 30 arrests at third night of rioting in multiple cities

For the third consecutive night, there were riots in multiple Dutch cities on Sunday. Around 30 people were arrested for things like vandalism, arson, and lighting fireworks. Emergency ordinances applied in multiple cities, giving the police more room to take action and impose restrictions, NOS reports.

In Roosendaal, rioters set fire to a primary school, set off heavy fireworks, and a car caught fire. The police said they arrested 15 people for disturbing public order.

Many police officers were on duty in the center of Enschede after an online call to riot in the city. An emergency ordinance was in effect between 8:30 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. As far as is known, the police arrested five people for vandalism and lighting fireworks.

Groningen had an emergency ordinance in effect until 5:00 a.m. after an online call to riot following a demonstration against the coronavirus restrictions. The protest was peaceful, but there were incidents afterward. According to the municipality, rioters vandalized a storefront, dragged away bicycles, set fires here and there, and damaged a bus shelter. At least three people were arrested.

Dozens of young people gathered in Tilburg to set off fireworks, damaging multiple trash cans. Exactly how many young people were involved is not clear, a police spokesperson said to Omroep Brabant. "I hear noises from between 30 and 100 people. The truth will be somewhere in the middle." As far as is known, the police made no arrests.

Emergency ordinances were also in effect in Roermond and Stein after riots on Friday. There the police carried out preventive searches. Five people were arrested for narcotics possession.

Earlier on Sunday, there were also incidents around football matches in the Eredivisie. The police arrested 24 people at the Kuip in Rotterdam for throwing fireworks at the police. Three people were arrested in front of the Cambuur Stadium in Leeuwarden for setting off fireworks.

"The way in which rioters wreaked havoc tonight is criminal," Leeuwarden mayor Sybrand Buma said to NOS. "Respect for the police and fire brigade, who acted under difficult circumstances.

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earlier covid press conference than expected due to covid infection numbers remaining very high

The Outbreak Management Team asked the Cabinet to hold another coronavirus press conference before the one planned for December 3, sources around the OMT confirmed to De Ondernemer.

With structurally over 20,000 coronavirus infections per day, "code black" approaching at hospitals, and the increasing social unrest about this, the "message needs to be clearer, a press conference over two weeks is irresponsible," the sources said.

It is unlikely that the Cabinet will announce new measures at the earlier press conference because it is too soon to determine whether the partial lockdown implemented on November 13 had the desired results.

"The message must be much clearer. The why. The urgency does not seem to get through. Code Black is threatening, and what that means must not only be explained to the Netherlands by Diederik Gommers in a talk show," De Ondernemer's sources said.

"Code black" refers to a situation in hospitals where there are not enough beds available to treat everyone who needs it. In that case, doctors will have to decide who gets treated and who gets sent home.

If more measures are taken, they will likely either involve the 2G coronavirus access policy or a harsher lockdown. With the 2G policy, only people who are vaccinated or have recovered from the coronavirus can get access to things like restaurants and events. A negative test will no longer suffice.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/22/earlier-covid-press-conference-expected-infections-remain-high

[Alf]

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[Nicky91]

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bunch of disrespectful morons


can totally understand the need there for a vaccination compulsory since their nation has quite a low percentage of covid vaccinated people

my nation doesn't need a vaccination compulsory, with quite a high percentage of 87, 88% and just around 12 or 13% unvaxxed

[Alf]

bunch of disrespectful morons


can totally understand the need there for a vaccination compulsory since their nation has quite a low percentage of covid vaccinated people

my nation doesn't need a vaccination compulsory, with quite a high percentage of 87, 88% and just around 12 or 13% unvaxxedThe Police are apparently shooting them in your country. Your country sounds like it's gone to next level facism.

I can’t tell what's going on because I don't understand the lingo.


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[Alf]

1462711115419467777These crazy people are losing their minds. They're in a state on panic.

As the mainstream media would say "The wall's are closing in"


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[arista]

Austria Now into Full Lockdown
expected to be 3 weeks
but could change if numbers get worse.

Nice Xmas Market
Suddenly Fully Closed


Ref: BBCnewsHD report.

[Nicky91]

The Police are apparently shooting them in your country. Your country sounds like it's gone to next level facism.

I can’t tell what's going on because I don't understand the lingo.


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we have to shoot those thugs


our PM Mark Rutte responded to the riots ''it is alright to protest but do never ever go attacking police officers with the intent of injuring or killing them''

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

23.066 new cases

2.430 total hospitalisations, 254 new patients on the nursing wards

470 total on ICU's/ventilators, 34 new patients on the ICU's/ventilators

29 new deaths

[Cherie]

Netherlands todays numbers

23.066 new cases

2.430 total hospitalisations, 254 new patients on the nursing wards

470 total on ICU's/ventilators, 34 new patients on the ICU's/ventilators

29 new deaths

Thats alot of cases ....

[bots]

i know at least 8 people that have covid at the moment. It's been months prior to that since i knew anyone with it

[Beso]

i know at least 8 people that have covid at the moment. It's been months prior to that since i knew anyone with it

Yeah, I was just saying that to someone this morning.

[arista]

Monday 22/11/21

45 have Died
44,917 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,024

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
911

143,972 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Monday 15/11/21

47 have Died
39,705 have caught Covid-19

HealthCare

Patients in hospital
Latest available -- Same as Last week.

Patients in ventilation bed - Same as last week

142,945 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 22/11/21

45 have Died
44,917 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,024

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
911

143,972 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Zizu]

40,000 Sunday and 44,000 today suggests around 50,000 a day for the coming few days or so :(


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[arista]

40,000 Sunday and 44,000 today suggests around 50,000 a day for the coming few days or so :(




Yes possibly

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was in Aldi earlier and i decided to do a mask count.

Percentage of people wearing masks: 100

1 lady was not but had a NHS lanyard

Pubs i passed on way to Hampden Sunday (3 all rammed out the door, no space people standing shoulder to shoulder) percentage wearing masks: 1

Train to the ground was 50% - most not wearing were wiring into vodka or Buckfast

[Zizu]

I was in Aldi earlier and i decided to do a mask count.

Percentage of people wearing masks: 100

1 lady was not but had a NHS lanyard

Pubs i passed on way to Hampden Sunday (3 all rammed out the door, no space people standing shoulder to shoulder) percentage wearing masks: 1

Train to the ground was 50% - most not wearing were wiring into vodka or Buckfast


Wow .. I was in Tesco earlier and I’d say it was only 1% wearing masks .. and zero staff mask wearers


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow .. I was in Tesco earlier and I’d say it was only 1% wearing masks .. and zero staff mask wearers


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Difference between Scotland and England

I was also in Waitrose and its the same

[Alf]

i know at least 8 people that have covid at the moment. It's been months prior to that since i knew anyone with itFunny how the numbers go up during the usual flu season isn't it? It's like Covid enjoys it's holidays at the same time of year as we people do, and then it gets back to work in the Autumn and Winter.

[Alf]

Have you changed?


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[AnnieK]

Funny how the numbers go up during the usual flu season isn't it? It's like Covid enjoys it's holidays at the same time of year as we people do, and then it gets back to work in the Autumn and Winter.

Its because its transmits more easily in warm conditions when people turn the heating on, close the windows and mix more indoors. Like all the other coronaviruses. Nothing new really....its now cold, flu and covid season

[user104658]

Wow .. I was in Tesco earlier and I’d say it was only 1% wearing masks .. and zero staff mask wearers


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There is a huge difference north and south of the border for some reason, I was also in a Tesco yesterday and didn’t see anyone without a mask on.

Interestingly though, the reusable/fabric masks seem to have gone “out of fashion” and I now mostly see people wearing the blue NHS style disposable ones.

[Alf]

There is a huge difference north and south of the border for some reason, I was also in a Tesco yesterday and didn’t see anyone without a mask on.

Interestingly though, the reusable/fabric masks seem to have gone “out of fashion” and I now mostly see people wearing the blue NHS style disposable ones.That's because you're living in fear of the National Socialist party that's running things down there. You don't want to get on the wrong side of Wee Jimmy.

[bots]

There is a huge difference north and south of the border for some reason, I was also in a Tesco yesterday and didn’t see anyone without a mask on.

Interestingly though, the reusable/fabric masks seem to have gone “out of fashion” and I now mostly see people wearing the blue NHS style disposable ones.

isn't the law still in scotland to wear face coverings, where in england, apart from the tube, it's up to individuals

[Alf]

we have to shoot those thugs


our PM Mark Rutte responded to the riots ''it is alright to protest but do never ever go attacking police officers with the intent of injuring or killing them''What is Mark Rutte's response to attacking citizens with the intent of injuring or killing them?

Is there a need for this when a person is on the ground?

At least the dog knows right from wrong and doesn't attack even though the Policeman is trying to make it do so.



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[Alf]

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[arista]

Yes Alf
there will always be illegal mask makers.

But they do not go to M&S.

[user104658]

isn't the law still in scotland to wear face coverings, where in england, apart from the tube, it's up to individuals

I mean yes and no, technically they are legally mandatory but one of the exemptions is just "finding it distressing", so any anti-masker can just say that they find it distressing (which they probably do). No proof beyond that is required for exemption so it's a toothless law. Really the reason for it being in place is to enforce businesses continuing to strongly encourage mask use instead of being able to say "come on in, we're not bothered about it here".

[arista]

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[bots]

just had my booster :dance:


Hurt like hell for about 30 seconds, now its down to a dull throb .... didn't feel anything when i had the AZ ...

[user104658]

just had my booster :dance:


Hurt like hell for about 30 seconds, now its down to a dull throb .... didn't feel anything when i had the AZ ...

Most likely just hit a nerve, small chance of that happening. Just hope they didn't accidentally pop it in a vein instead of the muscle.

[Beso]

What is the time span between 2nd jab and the booster.?

[bots]

What is the time span between 2nd jab and the booster.?

182 days, but you can book it up to a month in advance of that 6 month date

[user104658]

182 days, but you can book it up to a month in advance of that 6 month date

Mine's booked for December and I'm now wondering if I double-booked with physio :think:. Goshdarnitt. Getting pretty sick of medical-type-places, I'm only 36 this wasn't meant to happen until I was like 60 :fist:.

[bots]

I had my vaccine in a little village, i thought i would be about the only one there ... but they had like 8 people directing the traffic to parking bays and then inside it was like a weird surreal experience ... wait in this area ... get your jab ... wait in another area to see if you fall over ... and then directed back on to the road :laugh:

[Zizu]

I had my vaccine in a little village, i thought i would be about the only one there ... but they had like 8 people directing the traffic to parking bays and then inside it was like a weird surreal experience ... wait in this area ... get your jab ... wait in another area to see if you fall over ... and then directed back on to the road :laugh:


Yeah we used a local chemist .. they’d sectioned off a little area where they did the injections then as we walked out the front door a bloke ushered us around the side of the store .. around another corner then we had to sit in a decent sized garden shed ( sign 8 chairs ) for 15 minutes !


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[bots]

A real-world study by the UK Health Security Agency shows that boosters significantly increase protection against illness from Covid-19. The study found that two weeks after a booster dose, protection levels increased to 93.1% for those who had AstraZeneca for their first two doses and 94% for those who had Pfizer.

In October 2021 Pfizer announced results from phase 3 clinical trials of their vaccine as a booster, showing that it was extremely effective against preventing illness from Covid-19.

In the 5,000 people who received the booster dose, 5 of them developed Covid-19 illness. In the 5,000 people who didn’t get the booster (but were double vaccinated) there were 109 cases of Covid-19

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/covid-booster-vaccine

[Cherie]

ICU covid patients almost all unvaccinated

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/covid-patients-in-icu-now-almost-all-unvaccinated-says-oxford-scientist

[Cherie]

Re customer mask wearing in supermarkets seems to be more wearing than not in my experience

[Crimson Dynamo]

ICU covid patients almost all unvaccinated

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/covid-patients-in-icu-now-almost-all-unvaccinated-says-oxford-scientist

"Covid-19 is no longer a disease of the vaccinated, the head of the Oxford
jab programme has said.

The “ongoing horror” of patients gasping for breath in hospital is now “largely
restricted” to people who are unvaccinated, according to Prof Sir Andrew
Pollard.

Even though the more transmissible Delta variant continues to infect
thousands, most of those who are fully vaccinated will experience only “mild
infections” that are “little more than an unpleasant inconvenience”.

[Zizu]

"Covid-19 is no longer a disease of the vaccinated, the head of the Oxford
jab programme has said.

The “ongoing horror” of patients gasping for breath in hospital is now “largely
restricted” to people who are unvaccinated, according to Prof Sir Andrew
Pollard.

Even though the more transmissible Delta variant continues to infect
thousands, most of those who are fully vaccinated will experience only “mild
infections” that are “little more than an unpleasant inconvenience”.


Wow

I find all that tremendously reassuring !


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow

I find all that tremendously reassuring !


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agreed

[Cherie]

GThe AstraZeneca jab could be the reason why Britain is faring better than Europe when it comes to Covid, the vaccine company's boss has said.*
As countries in the EU - including Germany, the Netherlands and Austria begin to reimpose lockdown restrictions, the UK appears to be coping with the return to relative normality.*
Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, believes this could be due to the fact that so many older people were given the Oxford vaccine in Britain, whereas members of the EU banned the jab for its elderly populations.*
The EU's medical regulator approved the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for all age groups in January.
But the rollout stalled in France, Germany and Italy when they recommended that it should not be used for people over 65, citing insufficient data on its efficacy for older people.
By March, they had U-turned on the policy, by which time the UK's rollout had far surpassed their European counterparts with millions of doses of AstraZeneca going into people of all ages.*
This delay, according to Mr Soriot, could be the reason why restrictions are being tightened and hospitalisations are going up in Europe.*

The Telegraph


Well he would say that :laugh:

[user104658]

To be fair it’s not that he’s saying AZ is the better vaccine, just that Europe’s daft political games early in the vaccine-era did a lot of damage in terms of delays, and vaccine hesitancy… which is probably very true.

[arista]

Tuesday 23/11/21

165 have Died
42,484 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,088

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
928

144,137 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

To be fair it’s not that he’s saying AZ is the better vaccine, just that Europe’s daft political games early in the vaccine-era did a lot of damage in terms of delays, and vaccine hesitancy… which is probably very true.

agree

the playing of politics of the EU has come back to bite them in the bum


(BTW TS do i have to book my booster jag or do i get a letter from NHS?)

[bots]

agree

the playing of politics of the EU has come back to bite them in the bum


(BTW TS do i have to book my booster jag or do i get a letter from NHS?)

The NHS arent very quick at letting you know, so book online would be my advice

[bots]

GThe AstraZeneca jab could be the reason why Britain is faring better than Europe when it comes to Covid, the vaccine company's boss has said.*
As countries in the EU - including Germany, the Netherlands and Austria begin to reimpose lockdown restrictions, the UK appears to be coping with the return to relative normality.*
Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, believes this could be due to the fact that so many older people were given the Oxford vaccine in Britain, whereas members of the EU banned the jab for its elderly populations.*
The EU's medical regulator approved the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for all age groups in January.
But the rollout stalled in France, Germany and Italy when they recommended that it should not be used for people over 65, citing insufficient data on its efficacy for older people.
By March, they had U-turned on the policy, by which time the UK's rollout had far surpassed their European counterparts with millions of doses of AstraZeneca going into people of all ages.*
This delay, according to Mr Soriot, could be the reason why restrictions are being tightened and hospitalisations are going up in Europe.*

The Telegraph


Well he would say that :laugh:

they also found that the longer gap between the injections was better in terms of effectiveness and durability across all the vaccines. So, I don't say it very often, but as far as the vaccine is concerned our guys did good.

Even the current booster program is blazing ahead now. That will protect a lot of people over the winter

[Crimson Dynamo]

The NHS arent very quick at letting you know, so book online would be my advice

Yes I think i will before Christmas etc

[Beso]

Thanks for the 6 months answer bits.

[Cherie]

Tuesday 16/11/21

214 Have Died
37,243 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,678

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
968

142,945 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 23/11/21

165 have Died
42,484 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,088

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
928

144,137 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[user104658]

agree

the playing of politics of the EU has come back to bite them in the bum


(BTW TS do i have to book my booster jag or do i get a letter from NHS?)


It was both for me, I got a letter that said I could go on the site and book; which is better than the first two where I just got a letter with the time and location and told to be there.

[Beso]

Dont they have walk in centres up there ?

I got both of mine in different places, both were spur of the moment decisions..in and out in ten mins for both.

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[arista]

BBC Text:
[Patients facing long waits for
NHS treatment will be moved around
the country as part of new plans.
It says health chiefs have drawn up
the radical proposals to help clear
a backlog of millions of people.
Another idea will see routine
follow-up appointments for outpatients
scrapped for a range of illnesses - replaced
by "patient-initiated" meetings.]


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/24/cabinet-decide-friday-tightening-coronavirus-restrictions

The Cabinet will decide this Friday whether it will impose a new set of coronavirus restrictions on the Netherlands. Health Minister Hugo de Jonge said that the Outbreak Management Team will hold its next meeting on Wednesday evening, and will provide advice to the Cabinet the following day.

This will then be discussed by ministers on Friday. Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Hugo de Jonge are expected to hold a press conference to announce any changes later that evening. The next press conference had been expected to happen on December 3, after the coronavirus restrictions introduced on November 13 could be evaluated with three weeks of data.

However, the situation has continued to deteriorate. The average number of daily infections doubled from 11,000 on November 9 to 22,000 on Tuesday, exactly two weeks later. The growth rate in daily infections has largely increased by roughly 40 percent every week for seven weeks straight. The number of daily Covid-19 hospitalizations has also gone up by 30 percent in a week to levels not seen since but for a few days around last Christmas.

"That is why we have asked to bring forward the OMT advice, so that we can make a decision in the short term," says De Jonge. He wants to know from the experts what it takes to "force the turnaround"

Intensive care physician Diederik Gommers made the urgent appeal to bring forward the OMT meeting from Friday, and instead hold talks as quickly as possible. The meeting was originally scheduled for Friday. Gommers told the members of the Tweede Kamer committee on health, welfare, and sport that the Cabinet will need to seriously consider another hard lockdown, and also the closure of schools.

He argued that many intensive care units were shorthanded because of staff members who were forced to stay home to take care of children who were either infected with the coronavirus, or who cannot attend school because of infections in their group.

Gommers said that the intensive care system in the Netherlands can handle a maximum of 650 patients with Covid-19. With 488 ICU patients in care on Tuesday, he said there was a high likelihood that a Code Black situation could arise in intensive care within ten days. In that situation, hospitals have to choose who they can help at the entrance because there are not enough available spaces to help everyone.

De Jonge immediately responded to Gommers during a debate in the Eerste Kamer. He said, "I cannot predict that we will be there in ten days. It seems to me that Mr. Gommers cannot predict that either." De Jonge did say that he would adhere to the advice of the OMT he had at the time, which did not mention the Code Black scenario at the intensive care units.

"This is so important that I can clear my agenda for the OMT at any time if necessary," said pediatrician Karoly Illy, one of the experts in the OMT. Earlier on Wednesday, he said he had no objection to meeting earlier than the planned Friday discussion, but said the decision was up to Jaap van Dissel, the OMT chair and point person at the RIVM.

Illy was not ready to comment on the measures needed to contain the current wave of infections and prevent massive problems in hospitals. "At the previous meeting, last Friday, we said that we would give the previous measures a chance."

[arista]

What will they do on Friday
Nicky?


In time for a Riot on Saturday?

[Nicky91]

What will they do on Friday
Nicky?


In time for a Riot on Saturday?

stricter lockdown, which would also mean closing the schools something what Gommers wants to help bring cases down



if there is a new riot on saturday, police will be waiting for them, and again green light for them to shoot at those thugs

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

new day record of new cases: 23.789 (old record was last week thursday with 23.609)

2.535 total hospitalisations, 272 new patients on nursing wards

505 total on ICU's/ventilators, 47 new patients on ICU's/ventilators

[arista]

Weds 24/11/21

149 have Died
43,676 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,874

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
919


144,286 UK Total of Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Wednesday 17/11/21

201 Have Died
38,263 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,705

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
938


143,360 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Weds 24/11/21

149 have Died
43,676 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,874

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
919


144,286 UK Total of Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[bots]

so putting aside the infection rate, the other figures are significantly down on the week

[Zizu]

so putting aside the infection rate, the other figures are significantly down on the week


Yes ... I was expecting us to be well past 50,000 daily by now going off the way the numbers WERE increasing !


I’m sure I saw something saying that 95% of those in intensive care were non vaccinated


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[MTVN]

Cases and hospital admissions tumbling in the over 60s thanks to the booster program

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[bots]

those are pretty staggering reductions in the booster community

[user104658]

Given that positive tests haven't declined but deaths have seemingly dropped significantly, that can only really be attributed to the high booster rates in the elderly (the demographic which will encompass the majority of deaths but not the majority of infections).

[Zizu]

Given that positive tests haven't declined but deaths have seemingly dropped significantly, that can only really be attributed to the high booster rates in the elderly (the demographic which will encompass the majority of deaths but not the majority of infections).


Seems so


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[Vanessa]

I think boosters are a great idea. So happy I got mine, now I feel protected.

[Crimson Dynamo]

amazing graphs :shocked:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/consider-making-covid-19-jabs-mandatory-fight-surge-says-europe/

[Vanessa]

We're definitely doing better than Europe. Lol

[Nicky91]

We're definitely doing better than Europe. Lol

we cannot do much better

there is not much what we can do

[Vanessa]

Italy is doing great at the moment, but the rest of Europe, not so much.

[Nicky91]

Italy is doing great at the moment, but the rest of Europe, not so much.

so what


people just need to obey the rules, otherwise military guards in front of people's homes, and lock everyone up

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

22.274 new cases

2.545 total hospitalisations (304 new patients on nursing wards)

530 total on ICU's/ventilators (49 new patients on ICU's/ventilators)

61 new deaths

[arista]

Thursday 25/11/21

147 have Died
47,240 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,641

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
928

144,433 Total UK deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Italy is doing great at the moment, but the rest of Europe, not so much.


Of Course Very Strict Covid Rules involved

[MTVN]

Italy better keep doing well because I'm supposed to be going there in January :worry:

[Zizu]

Thursday 18/11/21

199 have Died
46,807 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,174

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
935

143,559 Total UK deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Last Thursdays for comparison

Generally speaking quite positive figures .

Everything down and Infections only slightly raised

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[arista]

[New COVID-19 variant with limited cases
identified in South Africa
The new variant B.1.1.529 was identified
on Tuesday and has
a "very unusual constellation" of mutations,
Reuters reports.
Only 10 cases of the variant have been
recorded worldwide in South Africa,
Botswana and Hong Kong.
Professor Francois Balloux,
professor of computational systems biology
at University College London,
said "there is no reason to get concerned",
while the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA)
is monitoring and investigating the variant.]

[Vanessa]

Italy better keep doing well because I'm supposed to be going there in January :worry:

I'm also planning to go, but in August.

[Vanessa]

Of Course Very Strict Covid Rules involved

Yes, they don't want to go back to how it was at the start of the pandemic.

[MTVN]

South Africa, Namibia, Lesotho, Botswana, Eswatini and Zimbabwe have just been added to the red list because of this new variant

[Crimson Dynamo]

as we all predicted its a new strain

vaccines useless

lockdown imminent

:skull:

[arista]

South Africa, Namibia, Lesotho, Botswana, Eswatini and Zimbabwe have just been added to the red list because of this new variant

They should add Hong Kong

The new variant B.1.1.529


Botswana started it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59424269

[59 confirmed cases have been identified
in South Africa, Hong Kong and Botswana so far.]

[Mystic Mock]

as we all predicted its a new strain

vaccines useless

lockdown imminent

:skull:

We don't know that yet.

Let's try to be optimistic rather than think the worst.

[arista]

Yes Newsnight said this New Botswana Africa Strain

It spreads faster
Vaccines no good against it.

I bet it will be confirmed in the UK soon.

[arista]

We don't know that yet.

Let's try to be optimistic rather than think the worst.


How many have come on from those Africa nations
and Hong Kong.


Loads I think


The new variant B.1.1.529

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Yes Newsnight said this New Botswana Africa Strain

It spreads faster
Vaccines no good against it.

I bet it will be confirmed in the UK soon.


I thought they said that as yet they have no idea at all if it will be resistant to our current vaccines - our vaccines may or may not be as effective against it


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[arista]

I thought they said that as yet they have no idea at all if it will be resistant to our current vaccines




Yes they will need to test it.


Tomorrow it goes New Worldwide Covid Alert



New 'worst-ever' super-mutant Covid variant
that will make vaccines at least 40 per cent 'less effective'
as flights are BANNED from South Africa and
five other African countries

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/25/22/50981775-0-image-a-10_1637879261741.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/25/23/50983693-10229159-image-a-27_1637884381399.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10229159/South-Africa-new-red-travel-list-early-TOMORROW-fears-mutant-strain.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/25/15/50924331-10242493-image-a-39_1637852457833.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/25/15/50968891-10242493-image-a-4_1637854400674.jpg

The New Trouble Strain.

[bots]

yes, but any new strain has to be more transmissable than the current one or it wont take off. Also, i'm fed up with their "can beat the vaccine" crap. We had the same with all the other variants.

Don't people see that our booster program is doing great, its giving the elderly a bit of confidence, and then they come out with this sh it. It's intentional

[Nicky91]

yes, but any new strain has to be more transmissable than the current one or it wont take off. Also, i'm fed up with their "can beat the vaccine" crap. We had the same with all the other variants.

Don't people see that our booster program is doing great, its giving the elderly a bit of confidence, and then they come out with this sh it. It's intentional

likely to be true for you guys, since majority of UK is jabbed with the weaker vaccine AstraZeneca

oops

[arista]

Simon Calder
Outside the South Africa House Central London

Flights from Infected Nations are landing right now
no testing,
and going straight home
possible more spreading.


This is all wrong
The Ban does not come in until later,
this is how it will spread in the UK.

From Sunday 4AM
you all go into Expensive Hotels
over £2,000 must be paid.



GMBHD itv live 7:20AM

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: today the day of the extra covid press conference

OMT's advice is to close pubs, cinema's, theatres, non-essential stores at 5 PM

but to leave schools open, however the organisation of the pubs, bars, restaurants a representative Robér Willemsen says they rather want a full lockdown than a partial lockdown since closing at 5 PM is not good for business either and they don't feel anything for keeping schools open, they think that will still get cases going up and a partial lockdown will have no effect whatsoever


so it is a difficult decision for PM Rutte and health minister De Jonge

[bots]

Simon Calder
Outside the South Africa House Central London

Flights from Infected Nations are landing right now
no testing,
and going straight home
possible more spreading.


This is all wrong
The Ban does not come in until later,
this is how it will spread in the UK.

From Sunday 4AM
you all go into Expensive Hotels
over £2,000 must be paid.


GMBHD itv live 7:20AM

You can't stop new variants entering a country, that has been proven over the last 2 years across the world. All you can do is slow it down a bit

[Vanessa]

yes, but any new strain has to be more transmissable than the current one or it wont take off. Also, i'm fed up with their "can beat the vaccine" crap. We had the same with all the other variants.

Don't people see that our booster program is doing great, its giving the elderly a bit of confidence, and then they come out with this sh it. It's intentional
I wouldn't worry. Vaccines can be modified to fight off the new variants.
At the moment we have ok, but we might need to do that if it's necessary.

[Vanessa]

I think the boosters are Pfizer, so we're good.
But i think Astrazeneca is good as well.
I've felt very protected with both of them.

[arista]

You can't stop new variants entering a country, that has been proven over the last 2 years across the world. All you can do is slow it down a bit


Sure Slow it down

But so many are now rushing back to avoid the Hotel Fee


Loads of flights
from those African nations

[arista]

"Nu" is the name they are going to use for the Botswana Variant


Ref: Ch5HD AM Live debate


Ch5HD Cut out 9:35AM to 9:38AM

As the Two women on the panel
were arguing about Illegal migrants

The Editor went to a Shopping Channel
Flogging Hair Products cheap.

[bots]

Sure Slow it down

But so many are now rushing back to avoid the Hotel Fee


Loads of flights
from those African nations

but banning countries doesn't make any difference unless every other country bans them to, because otherwise it will still spread and come in through the other route. The other aspect is that usually, the variant is already here, it's been transmitted around the globe before anyone detects it. There are plenty things to get angry about, but stopping a variant coming into the country is not one of them

[Alf]

XD2ZC11pPPQ

[Cherie]

we only went and jinxed it, we were saying there had been no new variants of note in months :fist:

[arista]

The Health Secretary
is Live on all 3 News Channels

Talking about the African Problem.

[user104658]

but banning countries doesn't make any difference unless every other country bans them to, because otherwise it will still spread and come in through the other route. The other aspect is that usually, the variant is already here, it's been transmitted around the globe before anyone detects it. There are plenty things to get angry about, but stopping a variant coming into the country is not one of them

It will almost certainly already be seeded across the globe if it's started to be picked up in testing. These "names by country" variants didn't even necessarily mutate in the named country... it's just the country where the variant was first detected.

[arista]

[Super-mutant Botswana Covid variant
is now spotted in
Israel:
Germany and
Italy are latest to seal off South Africa as B.1.1.529
variant drives 93% spike in cases
in a day - but there are NO reports of hospitalisations
in epicentre Johannesburg]

[Israel has detected a case in a traveller who had
recently returned from Malawi and
two suspected cases
Its infection is the third outside Africa
after two were also spotted in Hong Kong
in returning travellers
UK will suspend all travel from
six Southern African nations today
to help lock the variant out of the country]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10245333/Worst-Botswana-variant-spotted-Israel-strain-spreads-four-countries-two-weeks.html

[Zizu]

You can't stop new variants entering a country, that has been proven over the last 2 years across the world. All you can do is slow it down a bit


Surely banning all flights coming from those red list countries would be an excellent way of ‘slowing’ things down


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[bots]

Surely banning all flights coming from those red list countries would be an excellent way of ‘slowing’ things down


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not if its already here

[user104658]

Surely banning all flights coming from those red list countries would be an excellent way of ‘slowing’ things down


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If it's been picked up somewhere the likelihood is that it's already in most countries in some form. They don't check every single Covid test in depth to identify the strain, most are just done on a positive/negative basis, with random sampling to see if new strains show up. If a few examples of a strain start showing up during random testing, then you can be pretty sure that that strain is also responsible for many other cases, and just because it hasn't shown up in a random sample here yet, doesn't mean it isn't already active. Of course the more a strain takes hold, the more likely it is to be picked up.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands also bans flights from South Africa

[GoldHeart]

not if its already here

This new variant probably isn't here in the UK yet ,but then again who knows.

It figures .. this would have to be more aggressive than the delta one ,oh great :bored:.

This pandemic isn't going anywhere.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Official as of Sunday there'll be a evening lockdown

no one is allowed outdoors after 5 PM

non-essential stores, pubs, restaurants must close and this lockdown will last for the next 3 weeks

this will also count for museums, theme parks, zoo's, gyms, cinema's, amateur sports


schools can remain open but with face mask compulsory rules, failure to stick to this rule and you can close


essential stores will remain open until 8 PM

[Nicky91]

Netherlands goes into a Near Code Black now

meaning

every non-covid procedures such as surgery, treatments for non-covid illnesses such as cancer are being postponed for the next 3 weeks at least

also local doctors will say no to regular care for these next 3 weeks, so they can give all focus to treating covid patients

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

21.350 new cases

2.598 total hospitalisations

528 total on ICU's/ventilators

59 new deaths

[Zizu]

not if its already here


Surely 5000 a day are gonna spread faster than just a few ...


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[bots]

Surely 5000 a day are gonna spread faster than just a few ...


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but there could be thousands that already have it in the uk ... all that has happened is that a variant has been detected in SA .... it could be everywhere.

Remember in january we had the kent variant, and it took weeks for them to identify, and by that time half the country was infected with it

[arista]

Friday 26/11/21

160 have Died
50,091 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,633

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
925

144,593 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Zizu got it right
we have now reached 50,000 + infected

[arista]

Belgium
now has the Botswana "NU" Covid strain
A case reported

[Cherie]

Friday 19/11/21

157 have Died
44,242 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,079

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
923


143,716 UK Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Friday 26/11/21

160 have Died
50,091 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,633

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
925

144,593 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[bots]

Omicron is the new variant name

[user104658]

Omicron is the new variant name


Very anime.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The DM and Sage are literally orgasming about this

[MTVN]

Worth bearing in mind that South Africa has had very few cases for a long time and has very low vaccine uptake which gives room for any new variant to spread rapidly early on, you'd think it wouldn't be as bad here where 95% of the adult population have some antibodies against covid

[bots]

they are putting everyone back in a panic, and i have a pretty strong feeling its intentional. They don't know if its vaccine resistant, they dont know if it's more transmissible, they are just painting an oh no picture without anything real to back it up. I find that very frustrating, because its just not necessary

[Zizu]

Worth bearing in mind that South Africa has had very few cases for a long time and has very low vaccine uptake which gives room for any new variant to spread rapidly early on, you'd think it wouldn't be as bad here where 95% of the adult population have some antibodies against covid


Let’s hope so


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[Zizu]

they are putting everyone back in a panic, and i have a pretty strong feeling its intentional. They don't know if its vaccine resistant, they dont know if it's more transmissible, they are just painting an oh no picture without anything real to back it up. I find that very frustrating, because its just not necessary


Press releases like this don’t help .

:::

The latest SA variant is easily the most heavily mutated version discovered so far - and it has such a long list of mutations that it was described by one scientist as "absolutely horrific", while another claimed it was easily the worst variant they'd seen.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Press releases like this don’t help .

:::

The latest SA variant is easily the most heavily mutated version discovered so far - and it has such a long list of mutations that it was described by one scientist as "absolutely horrific", while another claimed it was easily the worst variant they'd seen.


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they should be criminalized for such disgusting scaremongering

[Vanessa]

I don't watch the news anymore.
I try my best to protect myself and that's all we can do.

[Zizu]

Apparently Novavax are confident that they will have a vaccine to offer food protection against the new SA variant - it available in the next few weeks !!!

Does this mean we will offered a 4th vaccine jab very soon !?!?


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[Mystic Mock]

Very anime.

That's true actually.:laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

Interesting


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[Crimson Dynamo]

In Scotland yesterday there were c 3000 cases and 9 deaths. On the same day last
year, with a lockdown in full swing, there were only a third of the cases (949)
but over 3 X the number of deaths (30). In very simplistic terms, you could
deduce that without the vaccine, there would be 3 X the number of deaths this
year as last year. ie 90. But there have been just 9, so vaccines reducing
potential mortality by 90%.

[Alf]

In Scotland yesterday there were c 3000 cases and 9 deaths. On the same day last
year, with a lockdown in full swing, there were only a third of the cases (949)
but over 3 X the number of deaths (30). In very simplistic terms, you could
deduce that without the vaccine, there would be 3 X the number of deaths this
year as last year. ie 90. But there have been just 9, so vaccines reducing
potential mortality by 90%.Possibly. Or possibly this time last year they were making a sale for the people's cooperation and cooking the numbers. A con man always has a sales tequnique which is usually an untruth.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 61 out of 600 passengers from South Africa got covid, now is being tested if they have the Omicron variant

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/27/61-600-passengers-south-africa-test-positive-coronavirus

[arista]

Netherlands: 61 out of 600 passengers from South Africa got covid, now is being tested if they have the Omicron variant

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/27/61-600-passengers-south-africa-test-positive-coronavirus



Yes keep testing them

A Doctor on LBC said that means they go onto the plane
with the Virurs.
No one checking in Dodgy South Africa

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/27/11/51033621-0-image-m-4_1638011483526.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10248551/Dozens-passengers-arrived-Holland-South-Africa-test-positive-Covid.html

[Zizu]

1464550833543073795


So vaccine number 4 incoming ?


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[Alf]

2WN0T-Ee3q4

[bots]

So vaccine number 4 incoming ?


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we are going to need a booster every 6-12 months while its a threat so we just have to get used to it

[Zizu]

we are going to need a booster every 6-12 months while its a threat so we just have to get used to it


Can we even wait 6 months with this new variant if it’s as virulent as feared ?
Won’t everyone have to be jabbed ASAP ..

They’re saying they should have a vaccine ready in a few weeks


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[arista]

2 Confirmed Cases in the UK.

Essex and Nottinghamshire


Omicron From Africa


SkyNewsHD

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-two-cases-of-omicron-variant-detected-in-uk-with-targeted-testing-to-be-rolled-out-in-affected-areas-12480213


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59445388

[bots]

2 people have been identified in the UK with the new variant. It's as I said earlier, it's already here.

and Zizu, these vaccines increase our T cell response, which means we are more resilient to any virus of a similar type, so please don't fall for the media scare mongering. When its proven to be an issue it is something of concern, not before

[arista]

4 more African Nations added to the Red List
Angola,
Mozambique,
Malawi and
Zambia from 4am on Sunday

Conference later today
with the PM and Medical Team
5PM today.

[arista]

Africa need more Vaccines
faster.

By delaying their Vaccines
More Like Botswana Covid Strain
will appear.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

22.089 new cases

2.624 total hospitalisations

555 total on ICU's/ventilators

55 new deaths

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/27/15/51038853-0-image-m-7_1638026806968.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

22C33ML_MB8

[bots]

i can't stand Hopkins, but the media behaviour is absolutely disgusting. I don't say that lightly. When the inquiry into the pandemic gets under way, the media must be held responsible for all the **** they have pulled over the last couple of years

[Crimson Dynamo]

i can't stand Hopkins, but the media behaviour is absolutely disgusting. I don't say that lightly. When the inquiry into the pandemic gets under way, the media must be held responsible for all the **** they have pulled over the last couple of years

The print media and their online output have consistently scaremongered for-profit and it should be stopped.

"OMG NEW KILLER COVID STRAIN IN UK, VACCINE RESISTANT, MORE TRANSMISSABLE, CHRISTMAS LOCKDOWN, DEATHS, killer, you will die"!
its at best gossip

Like in the old days the local gossip who would always have a tale to tell because it got them attention

[arista]

The Boris Johnson news conference will take place at 5pm
Alongside the PM will be
chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance
and chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty.

[arista]

Live Now


Mask wearing in Shops and Transport is back.

[arista]

Saturday 27/11/21

131 have Died.
39,567 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,633

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
925


144,724 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

face masks mandatory again

[arista]

face masks mandatory again



Yes about Time
in shops and transport.

[Measures are 'temporary and precautionary' - PM
They will be reviewed in three weeks]

[arista]

The PM began his news conference by warning:
"This variant is spreading around the world."

Live Feed Text
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-live-pm-to-hold-news-conference-as-omicron-reaches-uk-health-secretary-warns-pandemic-is-far-from-over-12469075

[Crimson Dynamo]

The PM began his news conference by warning:
"This variant is spreading around the world."

Live Feed Text
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-live-pm-to-hold-news-conference-as-omicron-reaches-uk-health-secretary-warns-pandemic-is-far-from-over-12469075

all viruses are spreading around the world

its what they do

[arista]

All UK Arrivals
must take a PCR test.

[bots]

the big pharms reckon they can have a new vaccine if its needed in 3 months

[arista]

They have now concluded.

[MTVN]

The impact of face masks is so tiny that its just an optics measure, the testing on arrival seems sensible enough I guess

[bots]

i think they need to be seen to be taking action. Hospitality must be in squeaky bum mode though in the run up to christmas

[Zizu]

the big pharms reckon they can have a new vaccine if its needed in 3 months


There’s a company who intend to have a vaccine ready in the next few weeks , they claimed that a few days ago


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[Zizu]

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[MTVN]

Covid cases actually fell today from last week as well

[joeysteele]

They should never have been relaxed in my view.

[bots]

masks and passports have made no difference in scotland.

[Crimson Dynamo]

we have never taken our masks off in Scotland (indoors)

I think people understand that is a positive move an individual can take

[Crimson Dynamo]

masks and passports have made no difference in scotland.

what evidence suggests that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
Face masks: what the data say
The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic,
and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?

[bots]

what evidence suggests that?

the daily figures coming out of Scotland, what more evidence do you need?

[user104658]

the daily figures coming out of Scotland, what more evidence do you need?


The UK today had 39500 new infections.

Scotland by proportion of the UK is 8% of the population.

Thus, today, proportionately if there was no difference Scotland should have had 3160 of those new infections.

Scotland had 2287 new infections today. A full 1/3 less than would be expected if going by the numbers.

This is standard most days (fewer new infections per capita, proportionately).

This was not the case before there was a significant divergence in things like mask wearing.

[bots]

that's an invalid interpretation as the population density is lower in scotland than england

The infection rate has stayed predominantly flat across both england and scotland since the mask mandate was removed in england.

Masks may afford a slightly improved chance of protection in edge cases, but if you are in a poorly ventilated room for an hour with someone with covid, wearing a mask, it aint going to make any difference

[Alf]

Face masks mandatory?

Yeah right

What's the plan here? Is it to destroy our high streets once an for all? Attack them at their busiest time of the year.

[Alf]

The Show must go on


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[Alf]

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[Zizu]

Face masks mandatory?

Yeah right

What's the plan here? Is it to destroy our high streets once an for all? Attack them at their busiest time of the year.


Masks are mandatory in corridors at our our high school.. the majority complied for a day or so but about 90% of students don’t bother now .. just us staff wearing masks ... to protect others..


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[arista]

Face masks mandatory?

Yeah right

What's the plan here? Is it to destroy our high streets once an for all? Attack them at their busiest time of the year.


Alf Not on the streets

Only in Shops and Public Transport

That Fine

After 3 weeks it gets reviewed


Its not a Problem

[Alf]

The vaccines don't protect you from catching and transmitting, but a bit of cloth on the face does. Is that what you're trying to sell me?

[arista]

The vaccines don't protect you from catching and transmitting, but a bit of cloth on the face does. Is that what you're trying to sell me?


Its fine


Stop being silly.


They will update the Vaccine for the next booster,
in around 6 months.

[Alf]

Is this you, Arista?


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[arista]

ALF

STOP POSTING USA VIDEOS


please

[Alf]

ALF

STOP POSTING USA VIDEOS


pleaseWhy, do you have something to hide?

[arista]

I am not in USA
at this time

[Alf]

Arista, please stop posting government data and numbers every single day, or at least post numbers for different illness's like flu and heart attacks.

Data needs to be measured against other data or it's meaningless.

[arista]

Why, do you have something to hide?

No



USA videos
bugger all to do with the UK

[MTVN]

The UK today had 39500 new infections.

Scotland by proportion of the UK is 8% of the population.

Thus, today, proportionately if there was no difference Scotland should have had 3160 of those new infections.

Scotland had 2287 new infections today. A full 1/3 less than would be expected if going by the numbers.

This is standard most days (fewer new infections per capita, proportionately).

This was not the case before there was a significant divergence in things like mask wearing.

Actually it's only very recently that England has overtaken Scotland in cases per capita (like the last two weeks). England was the lowest in the UK before and is still lower than Wales and Northern Ireland where tougher restrictions around masks exist

Edit - this was Nov 17th

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[arista]

Arista, please stop posting government data and numbers every single day, or at least post numbers for different illness's like flu and heart attacks.

Data needs to be measured against other data or it's meaningless.


Shaun started doing this thread
I took over


Most Posters
thank me

[Alf]

Shaun started doing this thread
I took over


Most Posters
thank meBut why do you want to shut down an alternative opinion to yours?

You should be able to shut down those alternative opinions with the facts and proof of why they're wrong, but you just want them to be stopped instead.

[arista]

But why do you want to shut down an alternative opinion to yours?

You should be able to shut down those alternative opinions with the facts and proof of why they're wrong, but you just want them to be stopped instead.


You have it wrong.

You can have your views
but your crap USA videos
have no place on this thread
with respect

[Alf]

You have it wrong.

You can have your views
but your crap USA videos
have no place on this thread
with respectThe video was Covid related, it has just as much a place here as your Covid related posts.

[Zizu]

The vaccines don't protect you from catching and transmitting, but a bit of cloth on the face does. Is that what you're trying to sell me?


It does seem obvious that when you wear any face cover it will prevent the larger droplets from getting into the atmosphere.

There does seem to be evidence to show that the bigger the viral load the more serious you’re ill .


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[arista]

The video was Covid related, it has just as much a place here as your Covid related posts.


Make some Effort
Write USA
on it,
please

[Alf]

An anagram of "Omicrom" is "Moronic" which means foolish and stupid.

[Alf]

Make some Effort
Write USA
on it,
pleaseNo

[Zizu]

An anagram of "Omicrom" is "Moronic" which means foolish and stupid.


An anagram of Evian ( water ) is naive .. just like paying a quid for a bottle of water :)


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[arista]

Perfect for our Alfhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFPAIwqVEAUKNsv?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFO0UhIVgAEi_CD?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

An anagram of "Omicrom" is "Moronic" which means foolish and stupid.


An anagram of Alf is Laf, because the number of conspiracy theories is hilarious. :think:

[arista]

An anagram of Alf is Laf, because the number of conspiracy theories is hilarious. :think:



Top Post of the Month


TS Gold Star

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFO5ySoVEAIeZPR?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Online Only paper :

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[arista]

This was Fridays Free Paper (London):

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[Alf]

An anagram of Alf is Laf, because the number of conspiracy theories is hilarious. :think:Every single word of that post of mine you replied to here was a fact.

It's an absolute, undeniable fact that an anagram of Omicrom is Moronic. And the definition I gave of the word moronic is an absolute, undeniable fact.

So what was the real reason in that post that really triggered you and made you get snipey? I get the feeling it was because I was mocking your cult religion and you didn't like it.

[Alf]

Top Post of the Month


TS Gold StarIt was rubbish. Mine was better. Mine was far more clever which stated facts, whilst his just singled out a forum member to be insulting to and was based on his own personal opinion.

[Alf]

On Monday night when I refuse to put a muzzle on to get on the bus does that mean I won't be able to go to work? I have to get the bus, I work out of town.

Is it OK for me to be discriminated against but not others? Or are you so called "lefties" gonna stand up for my rights?

Prove to me that you're not full of bull****, this is your real opportunity to take a stand when it really matters.

I won't be bullied when my freedoms are being taken away, too many good working class people lost their lives for that cause, I owe it to them and the people of the future's to stand my ground.

The chances I have a bus driver on my side are very high, but there's always the chance I get a jobsworth.

[bots]

well Alf, you can be an arse if you want, i'm not stopping you

[bots]

given that school kids are the biggest driver of infections at the moment from all the relevant data, why arent they making masks mandatory in schools? Doesn't make sense

[AnnieK]

I never stopped wearing a mask in the supermarket....so its no big deal for me. Also, now its bloody cold, its another layer to keep warm :laugh:

I'd rather wear a face mask than an oxygen mask if I caught it :shrug:

[Zizu]

given that school kids are the biggest driver of infections at the moment from all the relevant data, why arent they making masks mandatory in schools? Doesn't make sense



When we returned after half term ... Masks were mandatory at our HighSchool (in corridors) but as I said whilst the majority ( about 90%) complied for the first day or so after about two days hardly any of the students were wearing masks even though the staff were .

Guess they decided that we couldn't punish 1200 of them ...


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[bots]

I never stopped wearing a mask in the supermarket....so its no big deal for me. Also, now its bloody cold, its another layer to keep warm :laugh:

I'd rather wear a face mask than an oxygen mask if I caught it :shrug:

i'm not a mask fan, but i always wear one in public indoor settings. It's being considerate to others .... simple as that

[joeysteele]

given that school kids are the biggest driver of infections at the moment from all the relevant data, why arent they making masks mandatory in schools? Doesn't make sense

I totally agree with you here bots.

[arista]

"The chances I have a bus driver on my side are very high"



I hope they kick you off the Buss, Alf
I would
you are a Trouble Maker.

[arista]

"my rights?"

Alf
you can walk any street
no problem.

If you use Public Transport
or enter a Shop
put a Mask on.
Thats not so hard.

[Nicky91]

given that school kids are the biggest driver of infections at the moment from all the relevant data, why arent they making masks mandatory in schools? Doesn't make sense

here only in hallways of schools :laugh: but not in classrooms when seated :joker:

while in Germany they have face mask mandatory in schools everywhere not just hallways but also classrooms and also when seated

[arista]

Marr on BBC1HD

Stated your nation Nicky
thinks those 61 with Covid
loads have the New African Strain.

[user104658]

Every single word of that post of mine you replied to here was a fact.

It's an absolute, undeniable fact that an anagram of Omicrom is Moronic. And the definition I gave of the word moronic is an absolute, undeniable fact.

So what was the real reason in that post that really triggered you and made you get snipey? I get the feeling it was because I was mocking your cult religion and you didn't like it.


I find it mildly irksome when you copy things over from other sites you’re on (American ones) and try to play them off like you came up with them yourself (i.e. the “Moronic” anagram) and I was pointing out that conspiracy sites do this all the time - find “meaning” in anagrams and numerological “patterns” that actually mean nothing. You can continue to pretend that you “noticed the clever anagram yourself” and didn’t just copy it from elsewhere, but I’ll have to continue to ask you to pull the other one :joker:.

The very strange irony is you suggesting that I have a “cult religion” for you to mock when I’m pretty sure the “other parts of the internet” you copied this from will almost certainly be Trump Messiah sites or Social Media accounts.

[arista]

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[arista]

From Tuesday 30th Nov 2021

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFODKSvX0AQZon6?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

I find it mildly irksome when you copy things over from other sites you’re on (American ones) and try to play them off like you came up with them yourself (i.e. the “Moronic” anagram) and I was pointing out that conspiracy sites do this all the time - find “meaning” in anagrams and numerological “patterns” that actually mean nothing. You can continue to pretend that you “noticed the clever anagram yourself” and didn’t just copy it from elsewhere, but I’ll have to continue to ask you to pull the other one :joker:.

The very strange irony is you suggesting that I have a “cult religion” for you to mock when I’m pretty sure the “other parts of the internet” you copied this from will almost certainly be Trump Messiah sites or Social Media accounts.Well done Colombo. You worked it out again.

The point of my post was there was no point to it, I was just mentioning that Moronic was an anagram of the new varient, because yes, I'd seen it on Twitter. Your reaction to that was the strange part. It seemed to trigger a reaction in you that you needed to respond with a personal attack on me.

So I asked you the reason for that sudden outburst towards me, my guess was that it was because I was mocking your new cult religion, but as usual you avoided that question. Seriously, think hard about what brought out that reaction in you from something so minute which meant nothing.

[arista]

13 New African Botswana Omicron Cases
announced by the Dutch Health Authority
from that flight.
SkyNewsHD Live


And from CNN HD Live

Italy confirms First Case of Omicron Variant Covid
from a traveller from Mozambique.

[Alf]

"The chances I have a bus driver on my side are very high"



I hope they kick you off the Buss, Alf
I would
you are a Trouble Maker.I payed for a weekly ticket which runs out on Wednesday. Those mandates were not in place when I payed for my ticket. They took my money off me for that ticket to ride on their buses maskless.

I will film them for court evidence if they don't allow me on.

[Alf]

well Alf, you can be an arse if you want, i'm not stopping youYou're not stopping me, but you seem to be supporting people who plan to stop me.

[AnnieK]

I'm supporting the rights of the vulnerable, immuno suppressed, young, old and basically people who want to reduce their risk of catching pr transmitting covid. Not quite sure what freedoms are being removed asking people to cover their faces in crowded areas.....are you that beautiful that to cover your face will cause distress? As I said in a previous post, I'm sure if you caught it and were hospitalised you would not refuse to wear an oxygen mask?

[Alf]

I'm supporting the rights of the vulnerable, immuno suppressed, young, old and basically people who want to reduce their risk of catching pr transmitting covid. Not quite sure what freedoms are being removed asking people to cover their faces in crowded areas.....are you that beautiful that to cover your face will cause distress? As I said in a previous post, I'm sure if you caught it and were hospitalised you would not refuse to wear an oxygen mask?OK, they can ask, and I politely decline, what now? Can we just go on as normal like we have done for the past 43 years of my life?