Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Alf]

Marr pointing out the Anger
in Hospitals full of unvaccinated
taking all the beds.

from the Sunday Times.I ask Marr for proof that the hospitals are full of unvaccinated. Right now we only have word that they are and I could show you the word of someone that they're not.

What was his personal study and research to find this statistic out? If he's spreading this information then he must have that.

[arista]

I ask Marr for proof that the hospitals are full of unvaccinated. Right now we only have word that they are and I could show you the word of someone that they're not.

What was his personal study and research to find this statistic out? If he's spreading this information then he must have that.



Alf ,
The Doctors in the Hospital
have said it,
buy The Sunday Times.

[Alf]

Alf ,
The Doctors in the Hospital
have said it,
buy The Sunday Times.Again, you're only going by word of mouth. Would you like me to show you word of mouth saying the opposite, including from nurses?

[Alf]

What makes Marr right but this wrong?

Is it simply because Marr works for the BBC, who would never be dishonest?



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[Nicky91]

Your people are rising, Nicky.

Big turn out in Utrecht.



1467192510158041089

hope police will shoot them either

[Alf]

hope police will shoot them eitherA bit facist of you Nicky.

[Nicky91]

A bit facist of you Nicky.

umm no


we shouldn't give in to the vile moronic freedom loving public


or else what run off to the moronic human rights organisations, snitches get stitches

[arista]

Again, you're only going by word of mouth. Would you like me to show you word of mouth saying the opposite, including from nurses?


You can respect the
Sunday Times Reporters.



It is now a Fact

[user104658]

It was a presumption .. why else would they be highlighting it ?


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It means faster rate of transmission and generally it’s usually virus variant with shorter incubation that become the dominant strain. IF reports that Omicron has milder symptoms are true then it’s not necessarily a bad thing that it has short incubation, because it means that if it becomes fully dominant then for a “more severe” (in terms of symptoms) strain to then take centre stage, it has to be both more severe AND have a shorter incubation period than Omicron. If a “nasty strain” emerges but it still has longer incubation then it’s highly unlikely to become the dominant strain in the community.

The milder symptoms thing is the big “if” here of course but, basically, the situation is still as it has been for weeks: “more information needed”.

[user104658]

Sky News reporting that hospital staff are in uproar as 90% of all the Covid patients needing intensive care are NOT vaccinated.

Apparently 30% of all hospitalisations are Covid cases .


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Yeah I think the hospitalisations vs ICU distinction is important - there are all sorts of reasons an ill person might need hospital assistance but it be nowhere near the level of severe Covid. e.g. I have a friend who is type 1 diabetic and has needed hospital stays three times for illness over the years (twice with flu, once with norovirus) but it wasn’t because the illness itself was particularly severe - but because he couldn’t effectively manage his blood sugars while ill and they were fluctuating dangerously (so he needed to be on a drip etc. and blood sugars constantly monitored).

Incidentally, he had Covid recently and barely had symptoms at all (mild cold like symptoms for 2 days then totally fine). He is double jabbed though.

But yeah, Plenty of Covid hospital cases will be like that (hydration management, fever management)… not necessarily severe respiratory illness. Those are the ones who will end up in ICU… and the people who end up at that level are mostly unvaccinated people (also age still plays a part, they’re mostly over 55).

[arista]

"What makes Marr right but this wrong?"


Again Alf it is Not BBC Marr
it is the Sunday Times Front page.

[bots]

i'm not a supporter of mandatory medical procedures of any nature. and i'm certainly not in favour of restrictions against a virus variant that hasnt caused a serious illness or death anywhere in the world. To me, that is utterly crazy

If we opened up and removed restrictions for the life threatening delta variant, why on earth would we have restrictions for a variant that hasn't harmed anyone. It's insane

[Cherie]

The South African expert in Marr said so far it is spreading fast but is appearing in the younger age group and is mild...

[user104658]

i'm not a supporter of mandatory medical procedures of any nature. and i'm certainly not in favour of restrictions against a virus variant that hasnt caused a serious illness or death anywhere in the world. To me, that is utterly crazy

If we opened up and removed restrictions for the life threatening delta variant, why on earth would we have restrictions for a variant that hasn't harmed anyone. It's insane


Hospital capacity is a huge factor. The stuff I mentioned above (hydration issues, fever management) are not an issue if you’re in a hospital ward, they can very effectively control those things, you probably wouldn’t even feel that I’ll on your drip and then you’d be home in a few days.

….the same issues without access to a hospital bed can kill you.

[user104658]

The South African expert in Marr said so far it is spreading fast but is appearing in the younger age group and is mild...


Hmmm that’s less meaningful to be honest. If it’s in the younger age groups then it will always (in 99.9% of cases) be mild.

[Cherie]

Hmmm that’s less meaningful to be honest. If it’s in the younger age groups then it will always (in 99.9% of cases) be mild.

Pretty sure he said it was fast becoming the dominant strain so surely it will be infecting all age groups

He also said most vaccinologists agree the vaccines will give some protection against it

[arista]

Alf is Lucky he is not in Germany
as the Anti Vaxxers are getting banned from Shops

[Alf]

umm no


we shouldn't give in to the vile moronic freedom loving public


or else what run off to the moronic human rights organisations, snitches get stitchesOh dear Nicky.

[Alf]

Alf is Lucky he is not in Germany
as the Anti Vaxxers are getting banned from ShopsUnfortunately the people who do live in Germany are not so lucky.

[user104658]

Pretty sure he said it was fast becoming the dominant strain so surely it will be infecting all age groups

He also said most vaccinologists agree the vaccines will give some protection against it


I joined triple-dose crew yesterday :smug:. 2x dirty AstraZ, 1x Pfizer Lizardvax

[arista]

I joined triple-dose crew yesterday :smug:. 2x dirty AstraZ, 1x Pfizer Lizardvax



Good On You.

[bots]

I joined triple-dose crew yesterday :smug:. 2x dirty AstraZ, 1x Pfizer Lizardvax

feeling crappy today? it knocked me out for a couple of days

[Zizu]

I joined triple-dose crew yesterday :smug:. 2x dirty AstraZ, 1x Pfizer Lizardvax


The lizardvax is excellent.. nice bonus being able to catch flies with my tongue


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[user104658]

feeling crappy today? it knocked me out for a couple of days


Just a sore arm so far :shrug:. Seems to be a bit of a Russian roulette, a few people I work with have had it and have ranged from out of commission for 3 days, to not even having a stiff arm.

I was rough for 2-3 days with both of my AZ doses.

[thesheriff443]

Had Pfizer on Friday my shoulder arm and hand have been in a good amount of pain can’t lay on that side

Now pain has travelled to the base of my back and down my leg

My partner had Modena on Friday and she feels terrible

[Cherie]

Had Pfizer on Friday my shoulder arm and hand have been in a good amount of pain can’t lay on that side

Now pain has travelled to the base of my back and down my leg

My partner had Modena on Friday and she feels terrible

I would be inclined to ring 111 about that kind of pain especially if it has moved

I had a mildly sore arm that disappeared after 24 hours after the Pfizer booster

[arista]

Sunday 5/12/21

54 have Died
43,992 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,373


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
895


145,605 Total UK Deaths from Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[thesheriff443]

I would be inclined to ring 111 about that kind of pain especially if it has moved

I had a mildly sore arm that disappeared after 24 hours after the Pfizer booster

I had the same amount of pain in my shoulder arm and hand from my first injection and it has been easing off in my arm

I read up on the side effects of the covid jabs

It seems Pfizer acts a little differently

[Cherie]

Sunday 28/11/21

51 have Died
37,681 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,633

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
925


144,775 Have Caught Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Sunday 5/12/21

54 have Died
43,992 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,373


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
895


145,605 Total UK Deaths from Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[arista]

246 Omicron Covid Cases in the UK


Ch4HDnews

[arista]

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[arista]

Nigeria is Angry
the UK added them to the Red List
a few days ago.



As of 4AM this morning, Nigerian
arrivals must pay over £2,000 in quarantine
by law.

[arista]

336 Omicron Covid Cases in the UK , now

[arista]

Monday 6/12/21

41 have Died
51,549 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,268

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900


145,646 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

Sajid Javid begins by telling MPs there have been 261 confirmed cases of Omicron in England, 71 in Scotland and 4 in Wales, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 336.

This includes cases with no links to international travel, he says.

"We can conclude there is now community transmission across multiple regions in the UK," he says.

The variant is also in 52 countries, he adds.

[Cherie]

Monday 29/11/21

35 have Died
42,583 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,530

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
925



144,810 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 6/12/21

41 have Died
51,549 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,268

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900


145,646 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Zizu]

Yikes ... 25% increase in infections over a SEVEN day period !!

Sadly ... higher rates of hospitalisations and deaths usually follow 10-14 days later


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[user104658]

Just a sore arm so far :shrug:. Seems to be a bit of a Russian roulette, a few people I work with have had it and have ranged from out of commission for 3 days, to not even having a stiff arm.

I was rough for 2-3 days with both of my AZ doses.

Just as an update on this, my upper arm has been really swollen since yesterday evening and I woke up in the night in a fair bit of pain (as it's the side I lie on.... didn't think that through when I picked the arm...) :fist:. It's still pretty warm/puffy. Hoping for a better sleep :bawling:.

[smudgie]

Really must get our boosters.
My sister now has covid, as does our niece.
Sister has no spleen or immune system, is diabetic, and has emphysema.
She feels ok at the minute, just a sore throat the past few days.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm booking my booster tomoz. Not sure about flu Jag tho?

[user104658]

I'm booking my booster tomoz. Not sure about flu Jag tho?


I didn't get it, I'm not theoretically opposed to it but not both at the same time. Child with additional needs to take care of etc. so was keen to minimise the risk of being wiped out for days like I was with the AZ jabs.

If your appointment is for both you can just decide there at the time. I didn't get a choice when booking - the letter I for was technically to book a flu jab but said "you'll also be offered Covid booster if it's more than 6 months since your 2nd dose". I just went in and when they asked if it was for both I was like "my appointment is for both but I just want the Covid one please and thank you" and they weren't bovverd.

[jet]

I'm booking my booster tomoz. Not sure about flu Jag tho?

I got both at the same time (the Pfizer and flu) last week and apart from soreness in both arms for a day or two I was totally fine.

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

So far no hospitalisation from Omicron

[user104658]

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Honestly the misinformation is constant; "Delta also spreading faster" ... they only examine a very small sample of positive tests to identify the variant, they have no idea how many of the new infections are Delta. Many of them are potentially still remnants of Alpha, and another chunk of the increase could easily be Omicron. When they say "XXX cases of Omicron in the UK" they mean that's how many they've seen in the lab. They have NO IDEA how many cases there actually are A) amongst the other Covid positive tests where it was just a straightforward test for covid +/- and B) Untested/asymptomatic in the community.

It's like groundhog day from the early days in Spring 2020 with meaningless data being spammed around in the media.

[arista]

Honestly the misinformation is constant; "Delta also spreading faster" ... they only examine a very small sample of positive tests to identify the variant, they have no idea how many of the new infections are Delta. Many of them are potentially still remnants of Alpha, and another chunk of the increase could easily be Omicron. When they say "XXX cases of Omicron in the UK" they mean that's how many they've seen in the lab. They have NO IDEA how many cases there actually are A) amongst the other Covid positive tests where it was just a straightforward test for covid +/- and B) Untested/asymptomatic in the community.

It's like groundhog day from the early days in Spring 2020 with meaningless data being spammed around in the media.

They say 336 Omicron in the UK
which is mild if you are young.


But Old Folks could go to a Packed Hospital
with this Botswana Variation of Covid

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Newspapers need to fearmonger Omicron for likes/views/ money

Its all; about the spread but you wont find any info on how mild it is

How the Virus mutates to be more transmissible but less deadly

We want Omicron to be the dominant mutation as the one which succeeds it will have to be even more transmissible and even milder

[bots]

The Newspapers need to fearmonger Omicron for likes/views/ money

Its all; about the spread but you wont find any info on how mild it is

How the Virus mutates to be more transmissible but less deadly

We want Omicron to be the dominant mutation as the one which succeeds it will have to be even more transmissible and even milder

the only danger that i can see is that the side effects although seemingly mild they are largely unknown. For example what would happen if it made you sterile. If it infects the majority of the population, that would be a wee surprise. An extreme example maybe, but if a virus with unknown effects is allowed to rampage through the population unchecked we may be allowing a problem down the line

[Cherie]

They say 336 Omicron in the UK
which is mild if you are young.


But Old Folks could go to a Packed Hospital
with this Botswana Variation of Covid

they haven't said that at all, in SA it was observed at first in the young, it is spreading fast now so I doubt it is still just young people getting it.

You are a massive fear monger Arista, surprised at you tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

they haven't said that at all, in SA it was observed at first in the young, it is spreading fast now so I doubt it is still just young people getting it.

You are a massive fear monger Arista, surprised at you tbh


All in South Africa have said its mild in the young.


The Older Folks do go to Hospital

Thats not fearmongering


Keep it Real.

[Cherie]

All in South Africa have said its mild in the young.


The Older Folks do go to Hospital

Thats not fearmongering


Keep it Real.

and they have not mentioned how it is affecting older people so I am keeping it real, it is you who are speculating about people maybe going into packed hospitals when numbers have been dropping :skull:

[arista]

and they have not mentioned how it is affecting older people so I am keeping it real, it is you who are speculating about people maybe going into packed hospitals when numbers have been dropping :skull:


Sure Top Doctors in the UK
say older people may have to go to hospital
with this new Omicron.

[Cherie]

Sure Top Doctors in the UK
say older people may have to go to hospital
with this new Omicron.

May being the operative word at the moment

I may win the lottery

[arista]

May being the operative word at the moment

I may win the lottery


Yes
will find out more in the next few weeks

[user104658]

the only danger that i can see is that the side effects although seemingly mild they are largely unknown. For example what would happen if it made you sterile. If it infects the majority of the population, that would be a wee surprise. An extreme example maybe, but if a virus with unknown effects is allowed to rampage through the population unchecked we may be allowing a problem down the line

Not to be overly nihilistic but ... ... ... probably for the best? :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

iv had the snip so

:hee:

[user104658]

iv had the snip so

:hee:

Not that it matters these days eh :joker:

[arista]

437 new UK total of Omicron Covid infections
this evening.

[arista]

Tuesday 7/12/21

180 have Died
45,691 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,317

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
901


145,826 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Tuesday 30/11/21

159 have Died
39,716 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,631

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
916



144,969 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 7/12/21

180 have Died
45,691 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,317

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
901


145,826 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not that it matters these days eh :joker:

no i have created 3 humans and my work is now done

[Crimson Dynamo]

T-May rinsing Omicron and Boris

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM87Rruvs/

[Zizu]

T-May rinsing Omicron and Boris

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM87Rruvs/


Nobody cares what she thinks to be fair


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Nobody cares what she thinks to be fair


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Incorrect she has been on point this pandemic and many listen to her

[Zizu]

Incorrect she has been on point this pandemic and many listen to her


I probably overreacted ..

Very few take her seriously ..


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[arista]

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[arista]

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https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1468144081847164933

[arista]

Another

Downing St. Update of Covid

Today.


Could be 5PM
will update on the time,

[arista]

A working
Comedian very angry.

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[Cherie]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1208/1265461-coronavirus-omicron/

While it is likely more transmissible than previous variants, Omicron is also "highly unlikely" to completely evade vaccine protections, the World Health Organization's emergencies director Dr Mike Ryan said.

"The preliminary data doesn't indicate that this is more severe. In fact, if anything, the direction is towards less severity," he said in an interview, insisting though that more research was needed.

Dr Ryan also said there was no sign that Omicron could fully sidestep protections provided by existing Covid vaccines.

"We have highly effective vaccines that have proved effective against all the variants so far, in terms of severe disease and hospitalisation ... there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be so" for Omicron, he added, pointing to initial data from South Africa, where the strain was first reported.

However, Dr Ryan acknowledged that it was possible that existing vaccines might prove less effective against Omicron, which counts more than 30 mutations on the spike protein that dots the surface of the coronavirus and allows it to invade cells.

Top US scientist Anthony Fauci echoed the WHO's view, saying Omicron did not appear worse than prior strains based on early indications - and was possibly milder.

The new variant is "clearly highly transmissible," very likely more so than Delta, the current dominant global strain, Dr Fauci told AFP.

"It almost certainly is not more severe than Delta," he added. "There is some suggestion that it might even be less severe."

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1208/1265461-coronavirus-omicron/

While it is likely more transmissible than previous variants, Omicron is also "highly unlikely" to completely evade vaccine protections, the World Health Organization's emergencies director Dr Mike Ryan said.

"The preliminary data doesn't indicate that this is more severe. In fact, if anything, the direction is towards less severity," he said in an interview, insisting though that more research was needed.

Dr Ryan also said there was no sign that Omicron could fully sidestep protections provided by existing Covid vaccines.

"We have highly effective vaccines that have proved effective against all the variants so far, in terms of severe disease and hospitalisation ... there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be so" for Omicron, he added, pointing to initial data from South Africa, where the strain was first reported.

However, Dr Ryan acknowledged that it was possible that existing vaccines might prove less effective against Omicron, which counts more than 30 mutations on the spike protein that dots the surface of the coronavirus and allows it to invade cells.

Top US scientist Anthony Fauci echoed the WHO's view, saying Omicron did not appear worse than prior strains based on early indications - and was possibly milder.

The new variant is "clearly highly transmissible," very likely more so than Delta, the current dominant global strain, Dr Fauci told AFP.

"It almost certainly is not more severe than Delta," he added. "There is some suggestion that it might even be less severe."

SO with that in mind lets ramp up restrictions and rules


:facepalm:

[bots]

yeah, i think they will have a hard job applying any further restrictions if the situation remains basically the same, people just wont adhere to them

[Strictly Jake]

Noone should or will listen to the restrictions. Do not fall for it again.

[Vanessa]

I'll wear a mask, but that's about it.

[arista]

I'll wear a mask, but that's about it.


That is Good Enough

[arista]

yeah, i think they will have a hard job applying any further restrictions if the situation remains basically the same, people just wont adhere to them


People will
as Covid can Kill

[arista]

Noone should or will listen to the restrictions. Do not fall for it again.


There is a Medical Team
they will help all understand
any new measures

In Austria and Germany
much more Strict than us.

[arista]

[An exact time is not yet known, but BBC journalist Lewis Goodall
tweeted that it could be at 5.30pm.

The most common time for major announcements
throughout the Covid pandemic has been 5pm.

It is thought that new Covid restrictions could be
introduced as early as tomorrow.]




[What should we expect?
Downing Street sources say “no decisions have been made”
over introducing the measures outlined in its winter Plan B.
However, fresh rules are expected to include an extension
of self-isolation rules for all contacts of confirmed
Covid cases, not just Omicron as is currently the case.

Mask mandates are likely to be extended to
more settings including schools,
and there could be a return for check-ins
at hospitality venues.

There are two more key changes that
could be announce if England moves
towards Plan B.

The first is the return of work-from-home guidance,
and the second is the introduction
of vaccine passports for large venues.

Despite these being the restrictions listed
when the Government first announced
Plan B back in September – along with mandatory
mask-wearing, which has already
been reintroduced – i understands that the
Prime Minister will stop short of actually
calling the move “Plan B”.]


from this link
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-announcement-today-covid-update-when-time-new-plan-b-restrictions-1341330

[Vanessa]

If they want people to listen they should follow the rules as well.

[arista]

If they want people to listen they should follow the rules as well.


Look he has said Sorry.

Thats rare


Investigation into the other staff that
were in downing street


Allegra can be Sacked

[Vanessa]

Look he has said Sorry.

Thats rare


Investigation into the other staff that
were in downing street


Allegra can be Sacked
But the pm lied. Saying there were no parties.
Not a great example.

[Strictly Jake]

Why are people defending Boris because he has said sorry. This government is a joke. They have broke the rules throughout not just this party business. Yet expected us lowly ones to stick by the rules. Even the queen had to sit by herself at Phillips funeral. Why did we do it, why did she do it. Because the pandemic is a problem and we care. The government simply do not care. This Christmas act like Boris and gang would!!

[Vanessa]

Why are people defending Boris because he has said sorry. This government is a joke. They have broke the rules throughout not just this party business. Yet expected us lowly ones to stick by the rules. Even the queen had to sit by herself at Phillips funeral. Why did we do it, why did she do it. Because the pandemic is a problem and we care. The government simply do not care. This Christmas act like Boris and gang would!!
Yes, the queen followed the rules. Big respect for her

[Nicky91]

Why are people defending Boris because he has said sorry. This government is a joke. They have broke the rules throughout not just this party business. Yet expected us lowly ones to stick by the rules. Even the queen had to sit by herself at Phillips funeral. Why did we do it, why did she do it. Because the pandemic is a problem and we care. The government simply do not care. This Christmas act like Boris and gang would!!

:umm2: no


UK Government are doing everything right



if any government is a joke, my nation's government is, but then again i don't think idiots like Wilders, Baudet would've done better, in fact they would've done worse with lesser measures or no measures at all and millions of covid cases and millions of deaths

[Nicky91]

what we need here is military force, lock the public up under military guard, install curfews and only to leave your homes with correct paperwork, stricter testing policies

either a double negative pcr-test or 3 times jabbed and this should be regularly checked and double checked under military supervision to protect our doctors from anti-vax and anti-lockdown idiots

[Vanessa]

Yes, we're doing well. No thanks to this government.

[arista]

But the pm lied. Saying there were no parties.
Not a great example.


No, he was not aware
as he was not there
at that time


The Police are looking into it, now

[arista]

Why are people defending Boris because he has said sorry. This government is a joke. They have broke the rules throughout not just this party business. Yet expected us lowly ones to stick by the rules. Even the queen had to sit by herself at Phillips funeral. Why did we do it, why did she do it. Because the pandemic is a problem and we care. The government simply do not care. This Christmas act like Boris and gang would!!


He is in Power
so follow his rules
set by the Medical Team.

[bots]

of course Boris was aware ... it's his office, it's his staff


Anyway, any new restrictions will be ignored and the police cant prosecute if the majority dont comply,. People are kidding themselves if they think the population will accept new restrictions if there is no obvious increased threat to health

[Vanessa]

I find it hard to believe that he didn't know. Mmmm

[joeysteele]

Look he has said Sorry.

Thats rare


Investigation into the other staff that
were in downing street


Allegra can be Sacked

He's only said sorry for the distress caused to anyone from the recent video leaks.

He's still in doubt there was a party.

He clear knows there was a gathering with drinks, food and other activities.
Well you can't observe the rules in that scenario.

You can't be social distancing, wearing masks etc.

He hasn't really apologised at all.
He's still in probable deluded denial as to a string gathering/ party.
They're his staff, in his PMs residence.


He's kicked it in the long grass, or TRIED to, at present.
More evidence of his incompetence and negligence and ignorance.
However all of those 3 things are his self styled way of deliberate political deceit in my view.

Not something I admire in anyone.
I'm surprised you do.

[joeysteele]

I find it hard to believe that he didn't know. Mmmm

Of course he knew.
They'd have to inform him.
If they didn't then that should be a sacking defence.

The fact he's trying to duck the issue more than likely shows he did know and even agree to it going ahead.

[arista]

[Not something I admire in anyone.
I'm surprised you do.]

No, Joey
I am just stating the facts.
Starmer changed nothing today


Johnson said sorry for the ITVnews clip


We are in a Pandemic
saving lives is more important
than a year ago event.

[Zizu]

Why are people defending Boris because he has said sorry. This government is a joke. They have broke the rules throughout not just this party business. Yet expected us lowly ones to stick by the rules. Even the queen had to sit by herself at Phillips funeral. Why did we do it, why did she do it. Because the pandemic is a problem and we care. The government simply do not care. This Christmas act like Boris and gang would!!


When Labour get back in they will be just as corrupt and inept .

Nothing as changed over the last 50 odd years ..

They just take it in turns to take the pizz and line their pockets


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[Zizu]

No, he was not aware
as he was not there
at that time


The Police are looking into it, now


All these folk who think that number 10 is a three bed semi detached house and it’s just Boris living there .. playing loud music and having parties :)


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[arista]

568 Omicron Covid Cases in the UK, now

[Strictly Jake]

:umm2: no


UK Government are doing everything right



if any government is a joke, my nation's government is, but then again i don't think idiots like Wilders, Baudet would've done better, in fact they would've done worse with lesser measures or no measures at all and millions of covid cases and millions of deaths

The UK government definitely are not doing everything right. Especially the fact it took nearly a whole month for any real action when this first started and then not following any of the rules they dish out

[Cherie]

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/1208/1265561-pfizer-jab-neutralises-omicron-with-3-shots-study/

BioNTech and Pfizer have said a three-shot course of their Covid-19 vaccine was able to neutralise the new Omicron variant in a laboratory test.

The companies added that they could deliver an Omicron-based vaccine in March 2022 if needed.

The news came in the first official statement from vaccine manufacturers on the likely efficacy of their shot against Omicron.

BioNTech and Pfizer said that two vaccine doses resulted in significantly lower neutralising antibodies, but that a third dose of their vaccine increased the neutralising antibodies by a factor of 25.

Blood obtained from people that had their third booster shot a month ago neutralised the Omicron variant about as effectively as blood after two doses fought off the original virus.

"Ensuring as many people as possible are fully vaccinated with the first two dose series and a booster remains the best course of action to prevent the spread of Covid-19," Pfizer boss Albert Bourla said in the statement.

Though the necessity remains unclear, the companies said they would continue their effort to bring an Omicron-specific Covid-19 vaccine to market, which they kick-started when the new lineage first raised global concern among scientists on 25 November.

A planned output of 4 billion doses of the Comirnaty vaccine in 2022 was not expected to change if an adapted vaccine was required, they added.

The findings are broadly in line with a preliminary study published by researchers at the Africa Health Research Institute in South Africa on Tuesday.

It said that Omicron can partially evade protection from two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, suggesting also that a third shot might help fend off infection.

A lab analysis at the university hospital of Frankfurt, Germany, however found a reduced antibody response to Omicron even after three shots.

The US-German vaccine partners also struck an optimistic tone on the prospect of their shot protecting against any severe disease from Omicron, even though the lab data did not yield new insights on that

[arista]

Wednesday 8/12/21

161 have Died
51,342 have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,317

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
880

145,987 Total UK Covid Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[joeysteele]

[Not something I admire in anyone.
I'm surprised you do.]

No, Joey
I am just stating the facts.
Starmer changed nothing today


Johnson said sorry for the ITVnews clip


We are in a Pandemic
saving lives is more important
than a year ago event.

It really is isn't, if you have the rule makers breaking the rules.

Those families who lost loved ones will always have as important to them that loss of their loved ones.
Not just for a year but the rest of their lives.
Who they were NOT allowed to be with while they were even dying.

While those who made the rules that they couldn't be with them.
Were partying in a gathered grouping of people.

It's extremely important but it doesn't surprise me that Con supporters won't see it that way.
Preferring to dismiss those who've lost loved ones to make more easy things for this creep,( I make no apologies for calling him that either because it's one of the nicer words I use to describe him), who we have as Prime Minister of the UK.
He's a disgrace.

[arista]

Yes he can be a Disgrace, Joey

Could effect next week's ByElection.

A chance for Labour to gain power
in the General Election.

[arista]

BBC1News will not like that.


6PM is tonight's Covid Update

[joeysteele]

Yes he can be a Disgrace, Joey

Could effect next week's ByElection.

A chance for Labour to gain power
in the General Election.

Oh now let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Vanessa]

I think vaccine passports are a good idea.
They have them in Italy and you can get them even if your not vacciatwd, doing a test.

[arista]

[Omicron Covid could hospitalise 1,000 people
a day in UK by New Year, SAGE scientists warn
as Cabinet holds crunch meeting to decide Plan B]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10287883/Covid-Plan-B-set-triggered-amid-No10-Xmas-party-row.html

[bots]

they will have to come up with some actual data to support that as up until now, no-one has become seriously ill with it

[arista]

6PM BBC1news now is on for one hour

So they can include the Covid Update

[arista]

We are Live

Downing Street Covid Briefing.
Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance join the PM


SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
LBC
BBC1HD


If you can, from Monday
he wants you to work from home

Large Events Covid Pass in a weeks time.

[arista]

Health Secretary is also Live
in Parliament.

[arista]

[Omicron 'growing much faster than Delta' - PM
Boris Johnson begins his news conference
with a warning: the Omicron variant is
spreading much more rapidly than Delta.

A total of 568 cases have been found
in the UK, and the doubling time of infections
appears to be between two and three days.

Mr Johnson says the "remorseless logic
of exponential growth" means we could therefore
see a "big rise in hospitalisations and deaths".]

[bots]

people are not going to like this at all

[arista]

[England is moving to Plan B measures
From Monday, people will be advised to work from
home if they can.

And from Friday, face masks will become mandatory
in most indoor venues.

These include theatres and cinemas,
although they will not be required when
it is not practical - such as when people
are eating, drinking, exercising or singing.]

[The NHS COVID pass will also be required
for entry into nightclubs and venues where
large groups of people gather.

These are unseated indoor venues with
more than 500 people, unseated outdoor
venues with more than 4,000 people,
and any venue with more than 10,000 people.

The passes will still work for people
who have had just two doses of a
COVID vaccine, although this will be
kept under review.

This latest measure will be introduced in a weeks' time. ]


All Data from SkyNews Feed
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-news-uk-latest-live-boris-johnson-party-covid-lockdown-12469075

[arista]

people are not going to like this at all



Yes it could be hard to enforce.

[MTVN]

Announcing a ramping up of restrictions with slides showing hospitalisations and deaths decreasing

[joeysteele]

I support him on this actually.

[arista]

BBC Laura
starts off topic going on about,Allegra.

[arista]

I support him on this actually.


The 2 Medical Team helped

[arista]

ITV also starts off topic

[arista]

Announcing a ramping up of restrictions with slides showing hospitalisations and deaths decreasing


But Omicron Covid spreads
3 times faster than Delta.

[arista]

SkyNews also starts Off Topic

[bots]

But Omicron Covid spreads
3 times faster than Delta.

so what Arista, no-one anywhere in the world has become seriously ill from it. Do we restrict people when they get a cold?

[arista]

so what Arista, no-one anywhere in the world has become seriously ill from it. Do we restrict people when they get a cold?


One has Died in South Africa

[arista]

Daily Mirror
off topic.

[Alf]

My advice...


rB9_aWP6mMg

[arista]

Sure Alf
only for 2 people only, though.

[Strictly Jake]

Don't listen to this. Seen as though it's so rampant in South Africa 1 has died. We have been told by a few health experts that Omicron isn't a massive deal people are making it out to be. All this came out in the press about Boris and his people and he gets so much backlash for it and people asking him to resign all of a sudden a massive press announcent...Omicron is a big big big deal let's all talk about Omicron let's all talk about boosters let's all talk about mask wearing and working from home and let's completely be fooled into forgetting just how hypocritical and rule breaking these lot have been. Don't lose sight of what they are trying to get you to forget. It's a ploy

[arista]

Briefing now Concluded

[arista]

Face masks will be made compulsory
in most public indoor venues including
in cinemas and theatres from this Friday.
They will not be required in pubs, restaurants and gyms.

Vaccine passports

The NHS Covid pass will be compulsory to gain
access to nightclubs and other large venues
where large crowds gather.

This will apply to all unseated indoor venues
with more than 500 people, unseated outdoor
venues with more than 4,000 people
and any venue with more than 10,000 people.

Two vaccine doses will be treated as
fully-vaccinated but this will be kept
under review because of the booster programme.

A negative lateral flow test will also be sufficient.

This requirement will be rolled out in one
week's time to give businesses time to prepare.

Contact testing

Contacts of Omicron cases will be told
to take daily coronavirus tests instead
of having to self-isolate.
They will have to quarantine if they test positive.]


all from this link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10289335/Boris-pushes-button-Plan-B-wfh-masks.html

[Alf]

The page 3 girl gets it.



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[Zizu]

I wish we’d spent that £37 billion on more hospital beds / nurses and doctors instead of wasting it on the massively flawed track and trace system .

:::

In May last year NHS Test and Trace (NHST&T) was set up with a budget of £22 billion. Since then it has been allocated £15 billion more: totalling £37 billion over two years.


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[Strictly Jake]

Does everyone remember when we weren't able to go and see our kids sports days this year. Well at least the rich politicians had a lovely cheese and wine party. Do you remember when our lovely queen had to sit by herself at her husband's funeral after all they have done for our country. Well at least the politicians found social distancing funny. Do you remember when so many couldn't be with their loved ones when they died and then the ones that died couldn't have a proper funeral. Well at least their so called business meeting was fun. Do you remember when everyone had to cancel their Christmas plans last year. Well at least Matt Hancock was enjoying having his cock up someone.

Are people really going to obey these people??

[Zizu]

The page 3 girl gets it.



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It will all come down to choice


We will just see our immediate family over Christmas and try and stay as safe as possible

Just playing the percentages .


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[Zizu]

Does everyone remember when we weren't able to go and see our kids sports days this year. Well at least the rich politicians had a lovely cheese and wine party. Do you remember when our lovely queen had to sit by herself at her husband's funeral after all they have done for our country. Well at least the politicians found social distancing funny. Do you remember when so many couldn't be with their loved ones when they died and then the ones that died couldn't have a proper funeral. Well at least their so called business meeting was fun. Do you remember when everyone had to cancel their Christmas plans last year. Well at least Matt Hancock was enjoying having his cock up someone.

Are people really going to obey these people??


Everyone has the choice .... they can party all day and night all through the Christmas period right past New Years Eve .. don’t wear masks and don’t even get vaccinated.

The thing is statistically they will be at far more risk of catching the new variant and we still don’t know that much about it .

We will be staying as safe as possible ( statistically ) .


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[Zizu]

Now I’m no genius mathematician but if the Delta has been doubling every 2 to 3 weeks but the new Omicron variant doubles every 2 to 3 DAYS ..

That suggests that Omicron is spreading SEVEN times faster ??


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[bots]

i think we have to be realistic. If something is that infectious everyone will get it eventually unless the booster does something miraculous. I also dont think standard social distancing and masks will particularly affect that infection rate. The only thing that will do it is another proper lock down until march when we get the modified vaccine. However, if say 99% of the population get mild effects, infection rate doesnt matter and we dont need any restrictions at all

[Zizu]

Do you remember when our lovely queen had to sit by herself at her husband's funeral after all they have done for our country.

Are people really going to obey these people??

Queenie is being discussed on Sky News as we speak .. she was apparently in residence when Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were staying over and enjoying hospitalities.

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[Alf]

I'll start worrying about Boris if he brings in, mandatory/forced vaccines, vaccine passports and quarentine camps (like in Australia) until then, you can just ignore these mask and social distancing guidelines.

This whole "party" thing stinks of them trying to remove him to bring in someone who will implement those things.

[Oliver_W]

Don't listen to this. Seen as though it's so rampant in South Africa 1 has died. We have been told by a few health experts that Omicron isn't a massive deal people are making it out to be. All this came out in the press about Boris and his people and he gets so much backlash for it and people asking him to resign all of a sudden a massive press announcent...Omicron is a big big big deal let's all talk about Omicron let's all talk about boosters let's all talk about mask wearing and working from home and let's completely be fooled into forgetting just how hypocritical and rule breaking these lot have been. Don't lose sight of what they are trying to get you to forget. It's a ploy

Yup. All of the extra measures aren't because Omicron is so dangerous, but so they can grab more power.

[Jordan.]

Completely tedious bringing back these restrictions after it was looking like we were (rightfully) learning to live with it.

[Zizu]

Completely tedious bringing back these restrictions after it was looking like we were (rightfully) learning to live with it.


We were coping .. just about with still too many deaths and around 30,000 new infections daily ..

Omicron ( and worldwide data ) has changed everything .

We are up to 50,000 new infections each day now and rising with Omicron doubling every two to three days


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[Crimson Dynamo]

All the new restrictions were based on no new evidence

we cant use data from sa as they have a tiny percentage of vaccinated

meanwhile we have a pm lying about covid in the house today

utter madness

vitty et all are just as bad to go along with this

Policewoman Dick repaying Boris for not sacking her by not investigating this

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every journalist at this Downing St presser should ask Boris the same simple question about the No10 Christmas party scandal: <br>‘Was it a party?’ <br>Get him to lie again &amp; again on the record, because the party was illegal &amp; his cover-up lies will become a resignation offence.</p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1468641657264422916?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mandatory Covid vaccines could be needed, hints Boris Johnson
Compulsory jabs for the public cannot be ruled out at this point in the pandemic, says PM as he announces new Plan B restrictions

[Vanessa]

I think everyone should get the vaccine, unless there's a medical reason why they can't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course the vaccines do not stop you from catching the virus or passing it
on, that’s not how they work.

A respiratory virus transmits primarily via exhaled droplets of water, coughs,
sneezes and touching surfaces with contaminated hands. All of this (including
airways and nasal cavities ) is “external” to the body.

The vaccines work by stimulating the immune system to attack infected cells
and the virus itself. All of this is from “inside” the body.

Which is why an infected person can still transmit the virus even if
vaccinated. It takes time for the infection to pass from the airways, into the
cells and bloodstream, at which point the immune system can respond. Until
then the infection can be spread by exhaled droplets, often without the
person being aware as they don’t have symptoms.

So vaccination status has nothing whatsoever to do with the transmissibility
of this virus, and won’t slow its spread at all.

Unvaccinated people are being scapegoated for the failure

of politicians to understand what a vaccine can and can’t do.

(interesting DT comment)

[user104658]

Of course the vaccines do not stop you from catching the virus or passing it
on, that’s not how they work.

A respiratory virus transmits primarily via exhaled droplets of water, coughs,
sneezes and touching surfaces with contaminated hands. All of this (including
airways and nasal cavities ) is “external” to the body.

The vaccines work by stimulating the immune system to attack infected cells
and the virus itself. All of this is from “inside” the body.

Which is why an infected person can still transmit the virus even if
vaccinated. It takes time for the infection to pass from the airways, into the
cells and bloodstream, at which point the immune system can respond. Until
then the infection can be spread by exhaled droplets, often without the
person being aware as they don’t have symptoms.

So vaccination status has nothing whatsoever to do with the transmissibility
of this virus, and won’t slow its spread at all.

Unvaccinated people are being scapegoated for the failure

of politicians to understand what a vaccine can and can’t do.

(interesting DT comment)


This too is a misunderstanding of the actual facts though - it's been well established that higher viral load = more infectious, or in simpler terms, you're more likely to infect someone if you have symptoms than if you don't, though it is still possible.

Thus, vaccinated individuals CAN still spread Covid but if the vaccine means they have few or zero symptoms, they should spread it to fewer people.

The misunderstanding I think comes from a belief that it's a simple binary "can or can't pass it on". It's actually a sliding scale.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This too is a misunderstanding of the actual facts though - it's been well established that higher viral load = more infectious, or in simpler terms, you're more likely to infect someone if you have symptoms than if you don't, though it is still possible.

Thus, vaccinated individuals CAN still spread Covid but if the vaccine means they have few or zero symptoms, they should spread it to fewer people.

The misunderstanding I think comes from a belief that it's a simple binary "can or can't pass it on". It's actually a sliding scale.

a more transmissible milder variant is exactly what we can expect at this stage in the pandemic tho?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Yup. All of the extra measures aren't because Omicron is so dangerous, but so they can grab more power.

You might have a point there.

To play Devil's Advocate though, what if Omicron is more lethal than what us plebs are being told? Hopefully that's not the case, but it would explain such an extreme reaction to what's meant to be a "mild" variant.

[bots]

You might have a point there.

To play Devil's Advocate though, what if Omicron is more lethal than what us plebs are being told? Hopefully that's not the case, but it would explain such an extreme reaction to what's meant to be a "mild" variant.

i think the simple answer is that they wont know how serious it is until it infects 10s of thousands, so at the moment they are trying to slow the infection spread down to give science a chance to get ready.

If they didnt take these measures now, they would be accused of not acting fast enough and potentially causing the death of thousands, so I can see the dilemma they have. I don't like the restrictions at all, but I will accept them for a short time if it potentially saves a lot of lives

[Alf]

I never liked Plan-B, his songs were rubbish.

[arista]

I never liked Plan-B, his songs were rubbish.


Fair point.

[Alf]

Good morning Britain Post a poll.

It seems like the outcome of the poll wasn't going the way they wanted it to, so they deleted it. The question is, why?

Has any spokesperson for Good Morning Britain explained why, Arista?

If not, then all I can do is take a guess. My guess would be it's because they're not journalists but instead are propagandists.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

i think the simple answer is that they wont know how serious it is until it infects 10s of thousands, so at the moment they are trying to slow the infection spread down to give science a chance to get ready.

If they didnt take these measures now, they would be accused of not acting fast enough and potentially causing the death of thousands, so I can see the dilemma they have. I don't like the restrictions at all, but I will accept them for a short time if it potentially saves a lot of lives

SO why would the PM simply not say that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I can say with absolute honesty, there was no party at No10” <a href="https://t.co/Yl3jSai12K">pic.twitter.com/Yl3jSai12K</a></p>&mdash; peter iwanoff 💙 (@peteriwanoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/peteriwanoff/status/1468613685048393733?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arista]

Urgent Question
Live in Parliament. (Both News Channels)

Labour angry again.

Downing St party 2020


We are in a pandemic.
More important help is needed,
than Labour getting angry.


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[arista]

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[Alf]

Arista, why haven't you announced that Mr Johnson's partner gave birth today yet?

[arista]

Arista, why haven't you announced that Mr Johnson's partner gave birth today yet?

Done/

[bots]

SO why would the PM simply not say that?

i've no idea. It all keeps getting clouded by the press getting angry over a party that may or may not have happened a year ago. We can't do anything about 12 months ago, but its showing the true priority of the press .... the best story is better than any potential emergency

[Alf]

My right honourable friend has a point.


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[user104658]

Good morning Britain Post a poll.

It seems like the outcome of the poll wasn't going the way they wanted it to, so they deleted it. The question is, why?

Has any spokesperson for Good Morning Britain explained why, Arista?

If not, then all I can do is take a guess. My guess would be it's because they're not journalists but instead are propagandists.


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I don't know why they expect people to agree that making them mandatory is a good thing.

I'm triple vaccinated, I recommend that everyone get vaccinated, I am 100% Pro Covid vaccination... But I will NEVER accept that making any medical intervention mandatory is the right choice. I don't just think it's "not right" I think it's an absolute disaster for the very concepts of medical consent and civil liberties.

[bots]

I don't know why they expect people to agree that making them mandatory is a good thing.

I'm triple vaccinated, I recommend that everyone get vaccinated, I am 100% Pro Covid vaccination... But I will NEVER accept that making any medical intervention mandatory is the right choice. I don't just think it's "not right" I think it's an absolute disaster for the very concepts of medical consent and civil liberties.

i think the majority feel that way hence the poll result. I think europe will have severe problems if/when they start mandatory vaccinations. The most docile of people will fight back against it, they know its a slippery slope

[arista]

"My right honourable friend has a point."


Yes Alf
Steve is a trouble maker
ideal for you.

He is not in Cabinet
so I no longer waste time with him.

[Zizu]

Does anyone have the link for the Covid pass thingy .. the one that doesn’t just last for 30 days


Thank you !!


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[Cherie]

Does anyone have the link for the Covid pass thingy .. the one that doesn’t just last for 30 days


Thank you !!


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No if it expires it expires I guess :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

Good morning Britain Post a poll.

It seems like the outcome of the poll wasn't going the way they wanted it to, so they deleted it. The question is, why?

Has any spokesperson for Good Morning Britain explained why, Arista?

If not, then all I can do is take a guess. My guess would be it's because they're not journalists but instead are propagandists.


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Why would Good Morning Britain think that people would vote any differently?:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

i think the simple answer is that they wont know how serious it is until it infects 10s of thousands, so at the moment they are trying to slow the infection spread down to give science a chance to get ready.

If they didnt take these measures now, they would be accused of not acting fast enough and potentially causing the death of thousands, so I can see the dilemma they have. I don't like the restrictions at all, but I will accept them for a short time if it potentially saves a lot of lives

I think what's bizarre to me is they're responding quicker to a mild variant than they ever did when Covid cases started hitting the country back in 2019 when the disease was unknown on how deadly it was gonna be or not.

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[Vanessa]

I don't think anyone would actually follow another lockdown. People are sick of it.
But they should have covid passed for all crowded events.

[bots]

I think what's bizarre to me is they're responding quicker to a mild variant than they ever did when Covid cases started hitting the country back in 2019 when the disease was unknown on how deadly it was gonna be or not.

experience has a lot to do with it, like i say, i'm not keen on restrictions, but if its all fine and dandy in a month, it's better to have described the government as over cautious. Unfortunately, i dont think the restrictions in place will be enough, and ultimately we will end up locked down for the winter.

[Alf]

Mandatory vaccines are a terrible idea, but I do approve of making it so that unvaccinated people (without medical exemptions) cannot go to recreational events with loads of people in attendance (Pubs, clubs, cinemas, gigs, festivals etc). People who choose not to get vaccinated because they are dumb enough to believe Facebook over science should have the conviction in their beliefs to be fine with not having access to these places. Then again, the overgrown brats that are anti-vaxxers throw tantrums when faced with the consequences of their choices.

I think the Plan B measures are good, but they should go further, and they probably will, before long.So you want unvaccinated people to be segregated from you pure people. Shall they sit at the back of the bus or not be allowed on the bus at all?

[Cherie]

So you want unvaccinated people to be segregated from you pure people. Shall they sit at the back of the bus or not be allowed on the bus at all?

That is mandation by the back door imo

[Oliver_W]

BoJo is barely hanging on, IMO.

He's such an embarrassment, I'm surprised the 1922 Committee hasn't already decided he needs to "resign" and save their party some dignity.

We're not far away from the two years running up to the next election - can Boris' status as "a good old boy who'd be a laugh down the pub" still hold up, and help him to lead his party to another victory?

I mean, even losing by a little would be a big step-up for Labour since the 2019 pasting,but we're getting to the point where BoJo is helping them...

[Alf]

BoJo is barely hanging on, IMO.

He's such an embarrassment, I'm surprised the 1922 Committee hasn't already decided he needs to "resign" and save their party some dignity.

We're not far away from the two years running up to the next election - can Boris' status as "a good old boy who'd be a laugh down the pub" still hold up, and help him to lead his party to another victory?

I mean, even losing by a little would be a big step-up for Labour since the 2019 pasting,but we're getting to the point where BoJo is helping them...He's fine. This isn't that big of a scandal to the majority. It'll soon blow over in my opinion.

Michelle Dewberry did a poll today and while there's just over three thousand votes in this poll, the majority of those say "move on" and that's with this still being fresh.



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[Oliver_W]

He's fine. This isn't that big of a scandal to the majority. It'll soon blow over in my opinion.

Michelle Dewberry did a poll today and while there's just over three thousand votes in this poll, the majority of those say "move on" and that's with this still being fresh.



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The party in of itself may or may not be a big deal, but it's what it represents - the ivory tower lawmakers having fun while telling people not to see their friends and family.

All that's missing from this story is the man in the Red Masque - mores the pity.

[arista]

Scotland health has said Cancel all Xmas Parties
due to the infection rate getting worse.


BBCnewsHD Live

[arista]

Thursday 12/9/21

148 have Died.
50,867 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,347

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
890



146,135 Total UK Covid -19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Thursday 2/12/21

141 have Died
53,945 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,644

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
931


145,281 Total UK Covid Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 12/9/21

148 have Died.
50,867 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,347

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
890



146,135 Total UK Covid -19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Vanessa]

I live on my own, so no parties :laugh:

[Alf]

I live on my own, so no parties :laugh:_NrfND5KGtk

[Vanessa]

_NrfND5KGtk

That will be me on Christmas day this year:joker:

[AnnieK]

My christmas do next Friday has been cancelled :bawling:

[Crimson Dynamo]

fear, fear of blame.. with no data, no evidence

that is where we are

[arista]

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[Alf]

All of Scotland right now

"They can take our Christmas but they'll never take our Hogmanay"

[Crimson Dynamo]

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the common cold is more transmissible

so once again

no information, no evidence, just fearmongering

will it lead to deaths and hospitalisation?

"well so far no but we dont know"

then fckg say so

[Zizu]

No if it expires it expires I guess :shrug:


No someone posted a link to somewhere on the UK Gov site which sent out a certificate with all your info onto including the two vaccines .. date and type etc

It had no expiry date though .

I just want another , updated one that includes my third vaccine jab


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[Zizu]

BoJo is barely hanging on, IMO.

He's such an embarrassment, I'm surprised the 1922 Committee hasn't already decided he needs to "resign" and save their party some dignity.

We're not far away from the two years running up to the next election - can Boris' status as "a good old boy who'd be a laugh down the pub" still hold up, and help him to lead his party to another victory?

I mean, even losing by a little would be a big step-up for Labour since the 2019 pasting,but we're getting to the point where BoJo is helping them...


Would you really trust Starmer and Angela flamin’ Rayner to do any better ..


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[Zizu]

the common cold is more transmissible

so once again

no information, no evidence, just fearmongering

will it lead to deaths and hospitalisation?

"well so far no but we dont know"

then fckg say so


So if they’re just not sure .. they clearly cannot take the risk abs measures are required.

The way the Tories get slaughtered for things like parties can you imagine the backlash if Covid goes absolutely crazy over the festive period , the NHS collapses and the death count goes even higher ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

So if they’re just not sure .. they clearly cannot take the risk abs measures are required.

The way the Tories get slaughtered for things like parties can you imagine the backlash if Covid goes absolutely crazy over the festive period , the NHS collapses and the death count goes even higher ..


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risk

what about the risk to business, mental health, cancer diagnosis etc??

this is not science-based at all, its tabloid politics

[Zizu]

risk

what about the risk to business, mental health, cancer diagnosis etc??

this is not science-based at all, its tabloid politics


My point still stands ..

Although as someone just said ... many will just ignore all the advice ... and then party all through the festive period then we will ALL pay the price early January onwards ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

My point still stands ..

Although as someone just said ... many will just ignore all the advice ... and then party all through the festive period then we will ALL pay the price early January onwards ..


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you may as well never drive a car go on an airplane or wake up if you fear what could happen

[Cherie]

No someone posted a link to somewhere on the UK Gov site which sent out a certificate with all your info onto including the two vaccines .. date and type etc

It had no expiry date though .

I just want another , updated one that includes my third vaccine jab


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https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/

[Zizu]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/


Thanks .. tried that and it’s just a 30 day certificate .

Maybe someone will have the other link .

I have searched back but there are too many pages ..


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[Oliver_W]

Would you really trust Starmer and Angela flamin’ Rayner to do any better ..


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Whatabout whatabout .....

If BoJo resigned, there wouldn't (need to) be a general election, so the Labour leadership is irrelevant.

[Zizu]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/


Thank you ... I tried that link but it’s just the 30 day certification .

Maybe someone will remember the other link ..


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[Zizu]

Whatabout whatabout .....

If BoJo resigned, there wouldn't (need to) be a general election, so the Labour leadership is irrelevant.


I don’t trust many politicians to be fair .

I just think that Boris has a good heart .. something I don’t see in many of the other the other protagonists .

Ideally I’d like an all -party group to be making all the critical decisions but have some top microbiologists and the like also having a say in the decisions rather than just having advisory roles

I can dream ..


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[Zizu]

Does anyone have the link for the Covid pass thingy .. the one that doesn’t just last for 30 days


Thank you !!


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Just bumping this post ..


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[Zizu]

This is why the tories have such a stranglehold on power, they've scared the gullible into thinking that no matter what **** the tories pull, any other party will be magically worse. You don't keep someone corrupt in power just because you're scared of what comes next.

It's truly sad how whipped this country is.


I’ve lived through endless changes of power .. Tories .. Labour .. Tories .. Labour. .. an endless cycle of nothingness


They have all been equally disastrous over the last 50+ years


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[AnnieK]

Just bumping this post ..


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The Covid Pass letter does not yet have your booster info on according to the website. The digital one that lasts 30 days does

[Zizu]

The Covid Pass letter does not yet have your booster info on according to the website. The digital one that lasts 30 days does


Right .. thank you !

Please let me know if you hear anything about the booster being included/ added to the Covid pass letter



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[Zizu]

Just been mentioned on the news .. all the fuss about wearing masks and Covid passes yet this has been the ‘norm’ in Scotland for the past few MONTHS .
They just get on with it


Just imagine if we decide to follow the lead of New Zealand :)

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New Zealand to ban smoking for next generation in bid to outlaw habit by 2025. New Zealand has announced it will outlaw smoking for the next generation, so that those who are aged 14 and under today will NEVER be legally able to buy tobacco.

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[Mystic Mock]

So you want unvaccinated people to be segregated from you pure people. Shall they sit at the back of the bus or not be allowed on the bus at all?

As I see it personally the anti-vaxxers are mainly hurting themselves by not having the Vaccine.

Personally I think the Government just wants to pit Vaccinated people and Anti-Vaxxers against each other because it distracts people from the fact that we're being run by a **** show, and those of us that are open to being Vaccinated (like myself) but are waiting for one of the newer Vaccines that have spent more time being tested are witnessing people dehumanizing each other when really we're all victims of what our leaders did to us.

[Mystic Mock]

experience has a lot to do with it, like i say, i'm not keen on restrictions, but if its all fine and dandy in a month, it's better to have described the government as over cautious. Unfortunately, i dont think the restrictions in place will be enough, and ultimately we will end up locked down for the winter.

Tbh we probably do need to have a proper lockdown (as terrifying as it sounds) but sadly our Government does the most half-hearted lockdowns in the history of lockdowns.

I agree with you that we'll probably lockdown within the next few weeks, but about a week later once the cases start to die down, our wonderful Government will start to open everything up again thus going around in circles for a future lockdown.

For this disease to struggle to survive we need to lockdown for at least a month, and I mean people are only allowed to go out to work. Essential Shopping can be resolved by either ordering your shopping online, or if you're someone that doesn't do online shopping we could then bring in the Military to deliver shopping to those people.

And I know that our Economy would be hit for that month, but maybe just maybe the disease wouldn't be as present because it would be mostly starved from not being able to spread to people as often as it is at the moment?

My idea is probably stupid though tbf.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Would you really trust Starmer and Angela flamin’ Rayner to do any better ..


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Can they do worse?

[bots]

Right .. thank you !

Please let me know if you hear anything about the booster being included/ added to the Covid pass letter



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the booster information is included for your pass for international travel, but not for the domestic covid pass. The reason for this is simple, at the moment, 2 jabs is the requirement for a covid pass, the booster is not currently required. I'm sure that will change come the end of January when everyone should have had an opportunity to get the booster

[MTVN]

Just been mentioned on the news .. all the fuss about wearing masks and Covid passes yet this has been the ‘norm’ in Scotland for the past few MONTHS .
They just get on with it


Just imagine if we decide to follow the lead of New Zealand :)

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Smoking does help protect against covid though

[Alf]

Smoking does help protect against covid thoughCould be true. I smoke and have never had Covid.

[bots]

Can they do worse?

absolutely!!

The government can take a lot of justified criticism, but the major factor in saving lives is the vaccine, and quite frankly, there really isn't anywhere in the world with a similar population that has done better

[Vanessa]

Time for Labour to take charge. Surely they can't do any worse?

[arista]

Time for Labour to take charge. Surely they can't do any worse?

Labour only have One MP in Scotland
so they are miles away from power

[Oliver_W]

I just think that Boris has a good heart .. something I don’t see in many of the other the other protagonists .



Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Having (or lacking) a good heart doesn't mean someone is a good (or bad) leader for the country.

Anyway, that's like saying "Boris is doing his best". We've seen his best, and it ain't good enough.


Ideally I’d like an all -party group to be making all the critical decisions but have some top microbiologists and the like also having a say in the decisions rather than just having advisory roles

I can dream ..

Times like this, it wouldn't kill the Gov to reach across the benches, true.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGN4f5RXwAccBVh?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Zizu]

the booster information is included for your pass for international travel, but not for the domestic covid pass. The reason for this is simple, at the moment, 2 jabs is the requirement for a covid pass, the booster is not currently required. I'm sure that will change come the end of January when everyone should have had an opportunity to get the booster


Ah ..


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[arista]

On Tuesday, it is a vote on Plan B measures
A large amount of Conservatives, are against Plan B
but not a problem

Labour will back the new plans.


Ref: All Out Politics, SkyNewsHD.

[Alf]

On Tuesday, it is a vote on Plan B measures
A large amount of Conservatives, are against Plan B
but not a problem

Labour will back the new plans.


Ref: All Out Politics, SkyNewsHD.Or to put it another way "The opposition will back the Government"

Isn't it great having representation?

[arista]

Or to put it another way "The opposition will back the Government"

Isn't it great having representation?


It has been done
for years.

[Alf]

It has been done
for years.I know and sheep keep listening and voting for them.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/10/netherlands-start-giving-covid-vaccines-young-children-january

Netherlands to start giving vaccines to young children as of January

[arista]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/10/netherlands-start-giving-covid-vaccines-young-children-january

Netherlands to start giving vaccines to young children as of January


Yes going well in USA

[Oliver_W]

Or to put it another way "The opposition will back the Government"

Isn't it great having representation?

The Opposition doesn't have to automatically disagree with every little thing the Gov does...

[arista]

From CNN HD
Reporter in South Africa
Many Schools and Companies are now Mandating vaccines
or you get Fired.

Sadly, some in South Africa are outright refusing a vaccine.

[arista]

Friday 10/12/21

120 have Died
58,194 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,255 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Friday 3/12/21

143 have Died
50,584 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,373

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
895

145,424 Total UK death of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Friday 10/12/21

120 have Died
58,194 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,255 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Boosters DO beat Omicron and cut risk of falling ill by 75% but two jabs WON'T stop you
developing symptoms as promising official analysis shows NO Brits infected with super-
mutant strain have been hospitalised yet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10297247/Boosters-beat-Omicron-cut-risk-falling-ill-75.html?ito=windows-widget-push-notification&ci=505121

[GoldHeart]

Time for Labour to take charge. Surely they can't do any worse?

With Starmer as their leader , It gives very little hope.

[Cherie]

Boosters DO beat Omicron and cut risk of falling ill by 75% but two jabs WON'T stop you
developing symptoms as promising official analysis shows NO Brits infected with super-
mutant strain have been hospitalised yet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10297247/Boosters-beat-Omicron-cut-risk-falling-ill-75.html?ito=windows-widget-push-notification&ci=505121

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What annoys me about Starmer is yesterday he should have been hamnmering Boris

"why plan B when there is NO evidence this strain is dangerous?"

What evidence do you have to say that being more transmissible is bad?"

"Are you looking into the effect this constant scaremongering is having on mental issues with children as much as you worry about the NHS not having enough beds"

"Have you calculated the huge scale damage this is doing to education, how much schooling is being lost?"

etc

In stead he just wants to make jokes and say "well we would have more restrictions"


:rolleyes:

[arista]

Labour back Plan B.

[Zizu]

20% increase in the number of infections IN just 7 days !!


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[Beso]

The 2 vaccines do not protect you in anyway against the new variant...funnily enough though, the booster jab gives you 75 percent protection..

Sounds a bit fishy to me.

[arista]

NEW THREAD

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379072