Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Cherie]

I thought I saw a road map headline :suspect:

[Vicky.]

think that was in the vaccine thread

[Cherie]

think that was in the vaccine thread

No not there either, sure it was on here then pinged off

[arista]

[UK records 12,718 cases - down just
2.3% in a week - and 738 deaths... while symptom-tracking
app says infections are rising in Yorkshire,
Scotland and Northern Ireland
Scientists running app said that after
a five-week period of sustained drops
in infections, there'd been a 'hitch'
Small rises seen in Yorkshire, East Midlands,
Scotland and Northern Ireland - cases in Wales
no longer falling
Comes despite UK's vaccine drive being
roaring success and all other metrics
pointing to shrinking epidemic]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/17/14/39403270-9270017-image-a-76_1613573440974.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9270017/Has-Britains-Covid-outbreak-STOPPED-shrinking-Symptom-tracking-app-warns-hitch.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/17/15/39396598-9270017-image-a-8_1613575301894.jpg

[Vicky.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B43C/production/_117004164_dmail170221-nc.png

this one?


This is the one I was thinking of anyway

If it was^, then not sure what happened. As I was looking for it before and couldnt find it, but it appears restored now, but has no deletion history on it, so its always been there :suspect:

[Cherie]

this one?


This is the one I was thinking of anyway

If it was^, then not sure what happened. As I was looking for it before and couldnt find it, but it appears restored now, but has no deletion history on it, so its always been there :suspect:

That’s it cheers Vicky

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 8.5 billion euro extra for education for the next 2 and a half years

for students who are now behind bc of the coronacrisis

[AnnieK]

Deaths are coming down now but cases seem to have stalled around the 10k- 12k mark and if we need to get them below 1k its going to be ages before they release us from lockdown

[Scarlett.]

Deaths are coming down now but cases seem to have stalled around the 10k- 12k mark and if we need to get them below 1k its going to be ages before they release us from lockdown

I reckon at this point the drops will slow, they'll still drop over time, but not at the rate we have been seeing

[bots]

Assuming the vaccine starts to become effective after about 3 weeks and then people who are ill tend to be in hospital 2 weeks after catching it, it would take about 5 weeks to see a reduction in hospitalisation after vaccination. So, the full effect of vaccination on hospitalisations will kick in in about 5 weeks time

[Vicky.]

I reckon at this point the drops will slow, they'll still drop over time, but not at the rate we have been seeing

You would think the death rate would steadily fall tbh, as we are both in lockdown..and also vaccinations are ongoing.

Am sure SAGE said back in lockdown 1 that it took 3 weeks to see the impact each measure had taken. Thinking of that, when the lockdown was put back on, did we see a fall in deaths and such? Cannot remember..

So from that, I would be expecting many less deaths, assuming lockdown and vaccine(though mainly vaccine, given its meant to stop severe illness) are working

[Vanessa]

We're seeing the effects of the lockdown.
It's too soon to see the vaccination kicking in.
If give it another month.

[Zizu]

Wednesday 17/2/21

738 have died

12,718 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
20,944

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,708


118,933 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Those are still dreadfully worrying stats given we are virtually all in lockdown :(


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[Zizu]

[UK records 12,718 cases - down just
2.3% in a week - and 738 deaths... while symptom-tracking
app says infections are rising in Yorkshire,
Scotland and Northern Ireland
Scientists running app said that after
a five-week period of sustained drops
in infections, there'd been a 'hitch'
Small rises seen in Yorkshire, East Midlands,
Scotland and Northern Ireland - cases in Wales
no longer falling
Comes despite UK's vaccine drive being
roaring success and all other metrics
pointing to shrinking epidemic]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/17/14/39403270-9270017-image-a-76_1613573440974.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9270017/Has-Britains-Covid-outbreak-STOPPED-shrinking-Symptom-tracking-app-warns-hitch.html



Rising in Scotland yet they’re sending kidz bak 2 skule next week ??


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[Zizu]

Deaths are coming down now but cases seem to have stalled around the 10k- 12k mark and if we need to get them below 1k its going to be ages before they release us from lockdown



According to an eminent virologist ( last week ) who claimed that the generally accepted minimum number of new infections should be under a 100 before restrictions are lifted


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eud06fMVIAMaTCy?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

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Spreading in children yet we are supposedly the - opening schools very, very soon !!!


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: recent graphic of infection rate

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/210217-NL-total-tests-560x349.png

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/210217-NL-weekly-change-560x350.png

[Ammi]

Deaths are coming down now but cases seem to have stalled around the 10k- 12k mark and if we need to get them below 1k its going to be ages before they release us from lockdown

...there was a list published the other day of areas that cases had come down by around 50% or more than 50%, I can’t recall which...and I don’t know how accurate etc...but my area was stated as a decrease of 51%...it wasn’t completely clear but I think that was from last October...

[Crimson Dynamo]

S0-NfJUeHY0

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: also this year no normal remembrance day, liberation day on May 4th and 5th

unlike last year though, there will be a liberation fire on May 5th


as for easter, our tradition The Passion which was cancelled last year, will be going on this year without audience, and with 1.5 metre distancing measure in place


also our Ministers of Education said schools who cannot stick to 1.5 metre distancing, wearing of face masks, too little space to distance are allowed to go to alternate locations such as theatres, hotels to educate the students there, they are concerned about the mental health of the youth amid coronacrisis and they should be able to learn and do their tests, exams properly

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/no-coronavirus-certificate-on-the-cards-as-call-for-relaxation-of-rules-becomes-louder/

Netherlands: ''no coronavirus'' certificate on the cards as call for relaxation of rules becomes louder

we can't relax otherwise numbers go up again :idc:

[arista]

Thursday 18/2/21

Today 454 have Died.

12,057 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
20,156

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,614


119,387 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Israel and Denmark
are going ahead with Vaccine Passports


Israel also stated (ITV1HD Peston)
those with no Mobile Phones
can do a Print off.

[Cherie]

Israel and Denmark
are going ahead with Vaccine Passports


Israel also stated (ITV1HD Peston)
those with no Mobile Phones
can do a Print off.

of course, its not exactly a surprise

[arista]

Northern Ireland


Has Extended Lockdown to start of April

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-northern-ireland-56115810

[Vanessa]

Thursday 18/2/21

Today 454 have Died.

12,057 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
20,156

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,614


119,387 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Deaths are finally coming down.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EudCNdTXEAg7p58?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

What would you think and what would be your actions if it turned out to be one massive hoax?

How easily we gave our freedoms away, to something that's invisible.

[AnnieK]

What would you think and what would be your actions if it turned out to be one massive hoax?

How easily we gave our freedoms away, to something that's invisible.

Do you really think its a hoax though Alf?

Even if the death toll wasn't as crazy, even if all the doctors and nurses were lying, why would the government cripple the economy, the leisure and tourism industries and pay people like me to sit at home and do nothing for 80% of my pay.

Just why?

[Alf]

Do you really think its a hoax though Alf?

Even if the death toll wasn't as crazy, even if all the doctors and nurses were lying, why would the government cripple the economy, the leisure and tourism industries and pay people like me to sit at home and do nothing for 80% of my pay.

Just why?I don't know

I don't think we're being told the truth, that's about as far as my opinion goes.

The virus could be real, who can tell? it's invisible and as it's invisible, it can also be used to manipulate a situation.

What I do know, is that once we've given our freedoms away, they're almost impossible to get back.

[Scarlett.]

I don't understand what is gained by hoaxing a virus, like, it's put a serious financial debt in the treasury of every country in the world, literally no one benefits.

[Alf]

I don't understand what is gained by hoaxing a virus, like, it's put a serious financial debt in the treasury of every country in the world, literally no one benefits.Nothing is gained for us.

Power is gained for tyrants.

[Vanessa]

Trust me, it's real. I've had it last year and it felt like I was dying.
Luckily I got better.

[Alf]

Trust me, it's real. I've had it last year and it felt like I was dying.
Luckily I got better.I've had flu many times over the years, and some of those times, I thought I was dying too.

[Alf]

So, the question was, if it turned out to be an hoax? I didn't say it was, I'm asking what your actions would be if it turned out that way?

[bots]

it's not a hoax alf, and the someone else says line is very predictable

[Alf]

Are you seriously afraid to answer a simple question?

It was a simple question and yet goalposts are moved with every reply.

Use your imagination, if you need to, if you've got one.

[Cherie]

If it turns out to e a hoax which it won't what would I do? Not sure what anyone could do, we can't gain back the time spent with nothing to do, what you would be doing Alfred

[Cherie]

I don't know

I don't think we're being told the truth, that's about as far as my opinion goes.

The virus could be real, who can tell? it's invisible and as it's invisible, it can also be used to manipulate a situation.

What I do know, is that once we've given our freedoms away, they're almost impossible to get back.

How the hell is it invisible when you have TV crews practically in ICU showing patients gasping for breath :crazy: that's not invisible

Every doctor and nurse in the land must be in on it, and what's more a few of them agreed to die before their time to make it believable

[Crimson Dynamo]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!

[MTVN]

A lot of the criticism of the government has been that they were too unwilling to take away our freedoms and have done everything to avoid lockdowns which has had pretty bad consequences for our death toll. I don't think any government really wants to govern by lockdown if they can avoid it, there's no real benefit to them

[Alf]

OK, let's have a different question.

What should we do to China if it turns out that this was an on purpose, biological attack?

[Alf]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!That's good news.

Pleased for you.

[Cherie]

OK, let's have a different question.

What should we do to China if it turns out that this was an on purpose, biological attack?

Now you are talkling, it is more likely to be this than natural

Chinese New Year last weekend I didn't hear a word about restrictions in China, maybe I missed it?

[Cherie]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!

Great news :love:

[Cherie]

I must be on the naughty step :laugh:

[AnnieK]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!

Great belated birthday for her.

Brilliant news :love:

[Ammi]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!

...Mrs LT Senior...:love:..

[Scarlett.]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!

Glad to hear! :)

[bots]

Are you seriously afraid to answer a simple question?

It was a simple question and yet goalposts are moved with every reply.

Use your imagination, if you need to, if you've got one.

if you quit being a troll you might get a fuller response

[Beso]

Glad to hear that LT..

[smudgie]

Me old mum is getting out of hops at weekend, covid free!

Awww, brilliant news LT, hope you get to see her soon.xx

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

I think they should send schools back, but maybe not all at once

[Vicky.]

Public hesitant about bars and restaurants eh? I hardly expect to see them dead if they open :D

[Zizu]

I think they should send schools back, but maybe not all at once



Even though the infection rate is increasing in some areas plus plateauing in others like ours in Gtr Manchester ?

This is when we are all in lockdown !

Also knowing this ...?

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: most MP's back new curfew plans

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/mps-debate-emergency-curfew-legislation-and-most-are-in-favour/

[Ammi]

Beach ‘super spreader’ theory was a myth...




They were images that seemed to define a hot, febrile, and dangerous summer: massed ranks of daytrippers swamping Britain’s beaches, making the most of the June sunshine after months of restrictions – and, some front pages suggested, creating an appalling risk of coronavirus infection.

Eight months later, the headlines tell a different story: there was no real danger at all.

According to Prof Mark Woolhouse, an epidemiologist at Edinburgh University who sits on the government’s SPI-M committee, the chance of a super-spreader event among the crowds that turned up from Bournemouth to Southend was minimal in theory – and nonexistent in practice.

“Over the summer we were treated to all this on the television news, pictures of crowded beaches, and there was an outcry about this,” he told MPs. “There were no outbreaks linked to public beaches. There’s never been a Covid-19 outbreak linked to a beach, ever, anywhere in the world, to the best of my knowledge.”

If that version of events seems at odds with stern warnings from the health secretary, Matt Hancock, that outdoor exercise could be banned, and an accusation that sunbathers were putting lives at risk, it is wholly consistent with the scientific evidence, other experts agree.



...full article...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/beach-super-spreader-myth-inform-070000945.html

[Cherie]

Beach ‘super spreader’ theory was a myth...




They were images that seemed to define a hot, febrile, and dangerous summer: massed ranks of daytrippers swamping Britain’s beaches, making the most of the June sunshine after months of restrictions – and, some front pages suggested, creating an appalling risk of coronavirus infection.

Eight months later, the headlines tell a different story: there was no real danger at all.

According to Prof Mark Woolhouse, an epidemiologist at Edinburgh University who sits on the government’s SPI-M committee, the chance of a super-spreader event among the crowds that turned up from Bournemouth to Southend was minimal in theory – and nonexistent in practice.

“Over the summer we were treated to all this on the television news, pictures of crowded beaches, and there was an outcry about this,” he told MPs. “There were no outbreaks linked to public beaches. There’s never been a Covid-19 outbreak linked to a beach, ever, anywhere in the world, to the best of my knowledge.”

If that version of events seems at odds with stern warnings from the health secretary, Matt Hancock, that outdoor exercise could be banned, and an accusation that sunbathers were putting lives at risk, it is wholly consistent with the scientific evidence, other experts agree.



...full article...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/beach-super-spreader-myth-inform-070000945.html


Sage didn’t come out 8 months ago and shut this down though did they ...given how little was known about the virus at the time, and flocking to beaches left a lot of residents uneasy as the crowds arriving weren’t what they were normally used to as there was little else to do and it also created overcrowded transport so by default there had to be some spread on trains/buses?

[Ammi]

Sage didn’t come out 8 months ago and shut this down though did they ...given how little was known about the virus at the time, and flocking to beaches left a lot of residents uneasy as the crowds arriving weren’t what they were normally used to as there was little else to do and it also created overcrowded transport so by default there had to be some spread on trains/buses?

...this is why it can often feel confusing and conflicting etc, Cherie...because even when being guided by ‘science information and experts etc’...there are often differing views on many aspects...

[Cherie]

Even though the infection rate is increasing in some areas plus plateauing in others like ours in Gtr Manchester ?

This is when we are all in lockdown !

Also knowing this ...?

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Have you had your vac Zizu, at the school my friend works at most of them were vaccinated this week and they are due to return next week and all students have been invited back, they are arguing that the vac takes 3 weeks to kick in so they should still be running the school for key workers kids only for the next 3 weeks, the union is involved...it’s a special school so working differently to mainstream

[Cherie]

...this is why it can often feel confusing and conflicting etc, Cherie...because even when being guided by ‘science information and experts etc’...there are often differing views on many aspects...

I think he is right in what is is saying, outdoors, UV light etc but it’s a bit odd of him to claim we knew this all along given it’s a new virus

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/LaurenComiteau/status/1362677792547168258

yes back in court today for the curfew, hope we can win this against those vile anti-masker scum

[Zizu]

Have you had your vac Zizu, at the school my friend works at most of them were vaccinated this week and they are due to return next week and all students have been invited back, they are arguing that the vac takes 3 weeks to kick in so they should still be running the school for key workers kids only for the next 3 weeks, the union is involved...it’s a special school so working differently to mainstream



Hi
I was supposed to have the Pfizer jab on Tuesday but they rang and cancelled !!

What’s that all about !!

Great for my anxiety levels as you can imagine...I was just starting to improve until I got the cancellation phone call


It’s been rescheduled for next TUESDAY ... hopefully...


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[Zizu]

Have you had your vac Zizu, at the school my friend works at most of them were vaccinated this week and they are due to return next week and all students have been invited back, they are arguing that the vac takes 3 weeks to kick in so they should still be running the school for key workers kids only for the next 3 weeks, the union is involved...it’s a special school so working differently to mainstream



The whole thing is a mess ....
One of our friends works in a primary school of 190 pupils but in this lockdown they have had 135 of them in school !!




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[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1362761354592059392

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.761 new cases

200 new hospitalisations 5 less than yesterday (1.943 in total)

20 new ICU patients 13 less than yesterday (510 in total)

50 new deaths

[arista]

Friday 19/2/21

Today 533 have died.


12,207 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,392

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,535

119,920 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Friday 19/2/21

Today 533 have died.


12,207 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
19,392

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,535

119,920 Total UK deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Finally deaths are coming down.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eun4IP5VkAE2y94?format=jpg&name=small

[Scarlett.]

Why do the papers keep printing different things everyday? Why not just wait til Monday?

[arista]

Why do the papers keep printing different things everyday? Why not just wait til Monday?

Tomorrow Sunday
even more Mega Speculation.

[Cherie]

Why do the papers keep printing different things everyday? Why not just wait til Monday?

Yes it’s annoying, and doesn’t help people to stick to lockdown

[Zizu]

Why do the papers keep printing different things everyday? Why not just wait til Monday?



Just wait ‘till Monday when that smirky, smug Sam Coates will tell us what Boris is going to say BEFORE the announcement and then he will break down in SIMPLE terms what he said AFTERWARDS...

AGHHHH !

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[joeysteele]

Why do the papers keep printing different things everyday? Why not just wait til Monday?

They try to set the agenda rather than just report it.
It's why I never even look at them never mind buy them.

You're right it's annoying.

I doubt the day will ever come again where we had real NEWSpapers.

[Cherie]

Just wait ‘till Monday when that smirky, smug Sam Coates will tell us what Boris is going to say BEFORE the announcement and then he will break down in SIMPLE terms what he said AFTERWARDS...

AGHHHH !

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:joker:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/20/09/article-9279985-39520454-170_964x541.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9279985/Coronavirus-UK-Boris-Johnson-set-allow-outdoor-togethers-early-month.html

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: health minister De Jonge had said we might go for some form of audience at events and sports matches again, under correct guidelines (two negative tests), distancing, and testing certificates

so good news for Eurovision Song Contest as well possibly, if we can get to scenario B (best of the 3 remaining scenario's)

test certificate can give you some freedom again, a good idea that one


also nice they are thinking of ways to make things happen again in the new normal

[joeysteele]

Personally and I don't have any respect at all for Johnson.
However, I listened to his insistence of very slow and cautious easing of restrictions to be done.
Which I'd support.

My own view is, also of those of my friends and family who have children since I don't.

Is the full opening of schools on March 8th would make hollow his statement I mentioned above.

Personally, just my view, I see no point anyway myself in opening schools on March 8th with Easter weeks and break looming 3 weeks later.

Far better in my opinion to just have that extra 3 weeks then start all back after Easter.

Will he be extremely cautious or give in to his more louder anti lockdown voices in his Party, well that will be revealed on Monday.

This is another big test for him, I'd like to hope he'd not fail by taking dangerous risks again.

[Vanessa]

Yes, I'm all for reopening gradually.
We don't want to open up too soon.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1363103626235957256

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.604 new cases

156 new hospitalisations 44 less than yesterday (1.858 in total)

20 new ICU patients same amount as yesterday (522 in total)

62 new deaths

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/ministers-warn-that-any-change-to-coronavirus-rules-will-be-cautious/

netherlands: ministers warn that any change to coronavirus rules will be cautious, so people shouldn't expect too many relaxations of the rules, they are due to expire by March 2nd but PM Rutte isn't really seeing any positivity in numbers yet for relaxations of lockdown regulations

and government also still wants to keep the curfew (a decision in court about that will be made next week)

[arista]

Saturday 20/2/21

445 have died today

10,406 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,462

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,469

120,365 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/20/15/article-9281433-39547748-55_964x541.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/20/15/39547018-9281433-image-a-39_1613834441989.jpg
[Borough Market in London was extremely busy today
as countless revellers flocked outdoors to get
takeaway drinks and enjoy the sunshine]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9281433/Britons-head-parks-beaches-weekend-fine-weather.html

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/20/15/article-9281433-39547748-55_964x541.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/20/15/39547018-9281433-image-a-39_1613834441989.jpg
[Borough Market in London was extremely busy today
as countless revellers flocked outdoors to get
takeaway drinks and enjoy the sunshine]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9281433/Britons-head-parks-beaches-weekend-fine-weather.html



Great , just great ...

I’d post all their close ups online and in the media


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[arista]

Great , just great ...

I’d post all their close ups online and in the media




Yes Spreading Covid Day, today.

[arista]

1363165421852102660

[arista]

Ireland has 3 Brazil Variant Covid-19 infections
some reports are saying they want to stay in Lockdown
longer.


Ref: SkyNewsHD, Times Radio DAB, BBCnewsHD

[Nicky91]

there is said vaccinating is the way out, but it is not, every year you need to vaccinate again and again, same as you do for normal flu

so the old normal life does not exist anymore


adapt to the new normal, think of alternate ways to make events/festivals, sports audiences happen again, let movie theatres reopen under correct safe guidelines, the old ways are no longer possible, barbers must reopen since people's hair is getting quite long, wild either

[Vanessa]

Saturday 20/2/21

445 have died today

10,406 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,462

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,469

120,365 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Going down, that's good.

[arista]

[Leon boss warns longer lockdown 'will cost lives']

" Leon" One of the Few places still open
serving Hot Food - Take Away only.

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[Extending lockdowns even by a matter of weeks
will "cost lives", the co-founder of fast-food
chain Leon has said.
John Vincent said businesses were
"at the heart of a functioning and healthy society"
and were losing money that should be going
to their employees and the government
through taxes.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said people should
be "optimistic but patient" about national lockdowns.

He will set out a road map for lifting England's
restrictions on Monday.]

[Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme,
Mr Vincent said it was "quite possible"
that Leon could fold "if weeks and
months drag on", as it was losing
around £200,000 a week.
That figure was more like £800,000 when
"what we would have been making"
is taken into account, he said.]

["That's money that isn't going into the economy,
it's not going into the wallets of the people
who work for Leon, and it's not going to
pay the taxes that we need to pay," he said.

"No one's asked us for these numbers,
so how does the government know what's
going on in the economy?"

He said there had been a
"pantomime of scientists against business"
during the pandemic - "as if there isn't one giant
shared agenda" - and the latter were "positioned
as the uncompassionate ones".]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56137815

[arista]

Going down, that's good.


Saturdays/Sundays are always Low numbers.

[Zizu]

Going down, that's good.



Weekend ...


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[Zizu]

Saturdays/Sundays are always Low numbers.



... and Mondays


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[joeysteele]

Obviously the figures are lower as to the rises in the main, because of likely the lockdown.

To think they would not still be even more excessively out of control without the lockdown.
Would be in my view reckless thinking.
So if he takes risks again, that could prove devastating even moreso.

I don't think anything should be eased at all until the first week of April at the earliest.

No one who REALLY cares, can possibly want more and more unnecessary deaths to happen.

[Zizu]

Obviously the figures are lower as to the rises in the main, because of likely the lockdown.

To think they would not still be even more excessively out of control without the lockdown.
Would be in my view reckless thinking.
So if he takes risks again, that could prove devastating even moreso.

I don't think anything should be eased at all until the first week of April at the earliest.

No one who REALLY cares, can possibly want more and more unnecessary deaths to happen.



This is a scary time ...

A week or so ago we hearing about concerns regarding the various new variants that were popping up every couple of days .. a couple were showing worrying signs .,


Now the ‘day’ is approaching ( Monday) it’s all gone quiet on the variants front !!!!!


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[joeysteele]

This is a scary time ...

A week or so ago we hearing about concerns regarding the various new variants that were popping up every couple of days .. a couple were showing worrying signs .,


Now the ‘day’ is approaching ( Monday) it’s all gone quiet on the variants front !!!!!


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The media helps move emphasis Zizu.
I mean a week after he announced the lockdown, they started the when will we be coming out of it.

He has a group, an anti lockdown group of his own MPs who are pushing to just about be out of lockdown fully.

It's who he listens to in the end and does he stick to his original statement of no quick easing of restrictions.
Or cave I to his backbenchers and the media.

The new strains are there still.
Negative stuff has often for a time been swept under the carpet by this PM and his Ministers.
So it doesn't surprise me, we hear less of things like that.

Those shielding and the new grouping added to the shielding have had letters now telling them to shield until March 31st.
That's the wise move.

Plus since we're in the lockdown now, in my view anyway, the only responsible thing to do is leave all restrictions in place until then too.

Look at the first week of April for a more safe and more controlled virus period to come back from lockdown.

I'm hoping he sticks with his original seemingly determined caution he expressed.
However I don't trust him.

As I said, I see no point in returning schools back for just 3 weeks then off again at Easter.
When those 3 weeks and the 2 Easter week break, another 5 week period, could have us in a safer period as to the virus.

It's all the media are on about now however, pushing as to when and by how much the easing will start.

It is a very scary time, you're correct..
It shouldn't be made more scary by recklessness now by easing again too much too soon.

I hope he'll resist easing too much too soon.
I wouldn't ease anything until April myself if I had power however.

[arista]

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[arista]

Sunday 21/2/21

Today 215 have died

9,834 caught Covid-19 Today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,462

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,469


120,580 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Shocking Ch4HDnews Report
Showed a demo in Birmingham
76 year old British Barbara, (appears a nice lady)
but she said Covid is Fake?
Her friend was arrested.


Well done Ch4HDnews
making these reports.

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

"Caution is now Johnson's biggest risk"

They do write some ****e

[Nicky91]

The media helps move emphasis Zizu.
I mean a week after he announced the lockdown, they started the when will we be coming out of it.

He has a group, an anti lockdown group of his own MPs who are pushing to just about be out of lockdown fully.

It's who he listens to in the end and does he stick to his original statement of no quick easing of restrictions.
Or cave I to his backbenchers and the media.

The new strains are there still.
Negative stuff has often for a time been swept under the carpet by this PM and his Ministers.
So it doesn't surprise me, we hear less of things like that.

Those shielding and the new grouping added to the shielding have had letters now telling them to shield until March 31st.
That's the wise move.

Plus since we're in the lockdown now, in my view anyway, the only responsible thing to do is leave all restrictions in place until then too.

Look at the first week of April for a more safe and more controlled virus period to come back from lockdown.

I'm hoping he sticks with his original seemingly determined caution he expressed.
However I don't trust him.

As I said, I see no point in returning schools back for just 3 weeks then off again at Easter.
When those 3 weeks and the 2 Easter week break, another 5 week period, could have us in a safer period as to the virus.

It's all the media are on about now however, pushing as to when and by how much the easing will start.

It is a very scary time, you're correct..
It shouldn't be made more scary by recklessness now by easing again too much too soon.

I hope he'll resist easing too much too soon.
I wouldn't ease anything until April myself if I had power however.

same, i would myself opt for mid or end of April

more to try to get number of new cases down even further, make some breathing space for doctors by getting hospitalisations, ICU numbers down even further

now by relaxing too soon (again) numbers might shoot up and it might get out of control in hospital again

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 39 million euro is available for a support package for Zoo's

[Zizu]

"Caution is now Johnson's biggest risk"

They do write some ****e



All the news reports are convinced that English schools will return with ALL pupils in TWO weeks ( 8th March ) !

I thought they were expected to return in stages starting with the younger primary kids .. as Wales and Scotland are doing ..


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[Cherie]

All the news reports are convinced that English schools will return with ALL pupils in TWO weeks ( 8th March ) !

I thought they were expected to return in stages starting with the younger primary kids .. as Wales and Scotland are doing ..


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I would have thought stages would be better too, that said Wales and Scotland go back today, and its only 4 weeks to the Easter Break from 8th March so a circuit breaker of sorts and they can assess the rise in infections?

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

[bots]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

:clap1:

[Zizu]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:



Excellent


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.217 new cases

122 new hospitalisations 1 less than yesterday (1.908 in total)

37 new ICU patients 3 more than yesterday (561 in total)

32 new deaths

[Cherie]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

aw bless her, did she get jabbed in hosp or no

[smudgie]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

Great news LT.x

[arista]

Monday 22/2/21

Today 178 have died

10,641 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,462

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,469

120,757 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Scarlett.]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

Good to hear! :D

[Cherie]

Monday 15/2/21

Today 230 have died.

9,765 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,341

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,943


117,396 Total UK deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Monday 22/2/21

Today 178 have died

10,641 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,462

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,469

120,757 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

For Zizu as you like a comparison

[Crimson Dynamo]

aw bless her, did she get jabbed in hosp or no

no she cant get it until 4 weeks since pos so that is 4th March

[AnnieK]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

Brilliant news....:love:

[AnnieK]

For Zizu as you like a comparison

Patients on ventilation dropping now

[Vanessa]

Im so excited for cinemas to reopen. I can't wait!

[Cherie]

I see vaccine passports are sneaking in via the back door

Just watching an interview with a theatre manager, I think it will be a requirement to get in, that or a negative test which would be a right old faff every time you wanted to go somewhere

[Zizu]

For Zizu as you like a comparison



Thank you !


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[Zizu]

For Zizu as you like a comparison



Nice .. stats coming down gradually BUT we ARE in lockdown ..

Not impressed with new infections rising by nearly a thousand from last Monday though!!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

time to live with the virus and get back to work

[Zizu]

Chris Whitty is adamant that schools are very safe places for CHILDREN but didn’t mention how safe the one million education STAFF are .... other than saying we are relatively safe COMPARED to professions working on the front line like doctors and nurses !!

That is not at all reassuring !


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[arista]

Its all down to Mathematical Data

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu2z_jRWgAQfOmB?format=jpg&name=small

[Beso]

So we are doing summer again..

I will settle for that..

Keep the kids off public transport though.:fist:

[Zizu]

So we are doing summer again..

I will settle for that..

Keep the kids off public transport though.:fist:



Well that’s not gonna happen .. we can’t cope with 1,300 parents dropping their kids off each morning


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[arista]

Well that’s not gonna happen .. we can’t cope with 1,300 parents dropping their kids off each morning




Can you not instruct some to come Early
thus, not over bearing, near the time.
Your School has 2 weeks to set it up.

[Scarlett.]

I'm worried that the newspapers are selling these as concrete dates...

[Zizu]

Can you not instruct some to come Early
thus, not over bearing, near the time.
Your School has 2 weeks to set it up.



Giving parents ‘time slots’ may work in Russia or China or similar .... but England ??

:)


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[arista]

I'm worried that the newspapers are selling these as concrete dates...

Yes they are not.

Only if the Data shows
no big rise in infections/deaths
which could be very hard to achieve.

[arista]

Giving parents ‘time slots’ may work in Russia or China or similar .... but England ??

:)




You must try something
2 weeks to sort it.

[Ammi]

That is me old mam home now and covid free :hee:

...:love:..

[Zizu]

You must try something

2 weeks to sort it.



We WILL have to cope somehow.. we always do ... it’s just more stress on education staff .

What could possibly go wrong ...


I just hope they have made provisions to replace all the education staff who will ( for whatever reason ) either be poorly or on long term stress /sick leave or who have simply left the profession.


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/astrazeneca-delays-new-vaccine-shipment-again-hitting-dutch-roll-out/

ah boo hoo, keep it astrazeneca rubbish, we don't need toxic rubbish, so keep it in UK

[AnnieK]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/astrazeneca-delays-new-vaccine-shipment-again-hitting-dutch-roll-out/

ah boo hoo, keep it astrazeneca rubbish, we don't need toxic rubbish, so keep it in UK

Oh dear....

It's not toxic though and the data coming out yesterday is showing just how well its doing :nono:

[Vanessa]

The vacxine will stop people from.getting seriously ill with the virus.
Even if we have to do it every year it's definitely worth it to have a normal life.

[Cherie]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/astrazeneca-delays-new-vaccine-shipment-again-hitting-dutch-roll-out/

ah boo hoo, keep it astrazeneca rubbish, we don't need toxic rubbish, so keep it in UK

What are the overall findings?

The Israeli study found an 85 per cent reduction in symptomatic Covid-19 within 15 to 28 days with an overall reduction of infections, including asymptomatic cases detected by testing, of 75 per cent.

One dose of vaccine against Covid-19 in Scotland has cut hospital admissions by more than 85 per cent, according to the first data published on the impact of the UK programme. By the fourth week after receiving the initial dose, the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines had reduced risk of hospitalisation by up to 85 per cent and 94 per cent respectively.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/q-a-why-new-data-on-vaccine-effectiveness-and-intervals-is-relevant-to-ireland-1.4492167

94% efffectiveness for AZ Nicky

[Nicky91]

What are the overall findings?

The Israeli study found an 85 per cent reduction in symptomatic Covid-19 within 15 to 28 days with an overall reduction of infections, including asymptomatic cases detected by testing, of 75 per cent.

One dose of vaccine against Covid-19 in Scotland has cut hospital admissions by more than 85 per cent, according to the first data published on the impact of the UK programme. By the fourth week after receiving the initial dose, the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines had reduced risk of hospitalisation by up to 85 per cent and 94 per cent respectively.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/q-a-why-new-data-on-vaccine-effectiveness-and-intervals-is-relevant-to-ireland-1.4492167

94% efffectiveness for AZ Nicky

Lies

only 55% effectiveness for AZ

[AnnieK]

Lies

only 55% effectiveness for AZ

Even if it was only 55% (which its not), that would mean 55 out of 100 people not getting seriously sick. I don't even know why you care as you said you're not getting vaccinated. Leave those of us, who believe the scientific reports and data, to it and stop sating everything is lies and vaccines are toxic. That kind of misinformation costs lives. :nono:

[Nicky91]

Even if it was only 55% (which its not), that would mean 55 out of 100 people not getting seriously sick. I don't even know why you care as you said you're not getting vaccinated. Leave those of us, who believe the scientific reports and data, to it and stop sating everything is lies and vaccines are toxic. That kind of misinformation costs lives. :nono:

AZ which has chimps virus in it, i call that toxic garbage and i can fully understand Germany now being fully against this one, i sooo pray to god we dutch follow soon after to ban this one either


also the ''israeli research'' 94% effectiveness well comes from a british newspaper, how biased trying to defend your own vaccine so i don't believe it for that reason

[Cherie]

Lies

only 55% effectiveness for AZ

Nicky this is real world data, not data from the trial :facepalm:

n tandem with scaled-up of vaccinations, more reliable data is emerging on how effective vaccines are.

and the article is from the Irish Times which is not part of the UK and the Lancet is a very respected Medical Journal :nono:

[Vanessa]

I trust the science. Oxford has done an excellent job.
With the vaccine we will soon be back to a normal life and I can't wait.

[joeysteele]

The concerning thing for me yesterday, was when they were asked how many deaths were possible from the opening up measures announced.

There was confirmation they expect the additional death figures rising still, to indeed rise further from this easing out of lockdown.

Chris Whitty however indicated it best not to put figures to that.
Interesting since he and others said in March last year 20,000 would be a good result over the pandemic.

Quite where 6 times more, at least, as to that has anyone thinking well done to this PM and his Ministers is mystifying.

So just how many people are this government now, even with the vaccines, willing to have the lives sacrificed of more UK citizens to send schools back now, and open up further.

Shouldn't we be told the data that says, there WILL be now extra rising deaths because of the easing measures announced yesterday,commencing 8th March.
Which I'd guess likely will have estimations of those deaths to come.

I'd like to know, will it be an additional ,1,000 more, 3,000 more, 5,000 more, 10,000 more or as was presented in the question to them yesterday, could it be a further 20,000 to 30,000.
No reply from them, because I'd guess they expect another bad result.

To those clamouring for holidays, for to get to pubs and be able to socialize more, which we all want, then perhaps thousands more deaths because things are being relaxed don't mean much to some of them possibly.
It matters to me, POSSIBLY thousands of more people losing their lives, despite the vaccines, because of the relaxing of the restrictions announced yesterday.
That will never be acceptable to me, sorry.
To have them added to the really nearer 130,000 already lost.
Which include thousands of lives lost unnecessarily in that figure already.

Nothing should have been risked or done in any way, then only gradually from April at least.

The schools ALL back, on 8th March is going to open up hoards of children, parents, other family, friends, neighbours, staff, cleaners, meal staff, delivery staff, out into the community, heading to Stores from school, older pupils in groups in Stores at lunchtimes and after school

For just 3 weeks more until the Easter break.
Which on the science and government's admission yesterday, WILL lead to even more deaths by that opening up.

So more families are going to pay the price of this 3 week madness.
By deaths of their loved ones, AGAIN.

[Nicky91]

also Germany got their own vaccine now anyway, CureVac being reviewed by EMA as we speak so once that gets the green light they can start vaccinating elderly with that, as a replacement for AZ

[AnnieK]

also Germany got their own vaccine now anyway, CureVac being reviewed by EMA as we speak so once that gets the green light they can start vaccinating elderly with that, as a replacement for AZ

But why do you care? You're not getting it anyway

[Nicky91]

But why do you care? You're not getting it anyway

because i care more about Germany than my own stupid trash netherlands

[Cherie]

also Germany got their own vaccine now anyway, CureVac being reviewed by EMA as we speak so once that gets the green light they can start vaccinating elderly with that, as a replacement for AZ

it's not hard to see why they are trying to discredit AZ isn't it :laugh:

putting dolla before lives :nono:

[Nicky91]

it's not hard to see why they are trying to discredit AZ isn't it :laugh:

putting dolla before lives :nono:

we don't trust Britain's medical expertise

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/government-under-pressure-to-bring-positive-news-at-covid-press-conference/

:facepalm: dutch public putting pressure on government to relax some measures

they will regret that if they relax measures now, because then new cases numbers will go massively upwards again but what do i care, i don't give a damn about dumb netherlands anyways

[Zizu]

The concerning thing for me yesterday, was when they were asked how many deaths were possible from the opening up measures announced.

There was confirmation they expect the additional death figures rising still, to indeed rise further from this easing out of lockdown.

Chris Whitty however indicated it best not to put figures to that.
Interesting since he and others said in March last year 20,000 would be a good result over the pandemic.

Quite where 6 times more, at least, as to that has anyone thinking well done to this PM and his Ministers is mystifying.

So just how many people are this government now, even with the vaccines, willing to have the lives sacrificed of more UK citizens to send schools back now, and open up further.

Shouldn't we be told the data that says, there WILL be now extra rising deaths because of the easing measures announced yesterday,commencing 8th March.
Which I'd guess likely will have estimations of those deaths to come.

I'd like to know, will it be an additional ,1,000 more, 3,000 more, 5,000 more, 10,000 more or as was presented in the question to them yesterday, could it be a further 20,000 to 30,000.
No reply from them, because I'd guess they expect another bad result.

To those clamouring for holidays, for to get to pubs and be able to socialize more, which we all want, then perhaps thousands more deaths because things are being relaxed don't mean much to some of them possibly.
It matters to me, POSSIBLY thousands of more people losing their lives, despite the vaccines, because of the relaxing of the restrictions announced yesterday.
That will never be acceptable to me, sorry.
To have them added to the really nearer 130,000 already lost.
Which include thousands of lives lost unnecessarily in that figure already.

Nothing should have been risked or done in any way, then only gradually from April at least.

The schools ALL back, on 8th March is going to open up hoards of children, parents, other family, friends, neighbours, staff, cleaners, meal staff, delivery staff, out into the community, heading to Stores from school, older pupils in groups in Stores at lunchtimes and after school

For just 3 weeks more until the Easter break.
Which on the science and government's admission yesterday, WILL lead to even more deaths by that opening up.

So more families are going to pay the price of this 3 week madness.
By deaths of their loved ones, AGAIN.



I feel your pain ...


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[Nicky91]

but as for Netherlands: a press conference tonight, exactly which measures will get eased

the media thinks barbers reopening, and schools reopening, and outdoor exercising being allowed again

PM Rutte isn't keen on relaxing measures at all but this is just to please the public who desperately want more positive news

so pubs, restaurants, bars, non-essential shops remain closed


+ already announced that Zoo's have a support package of 39 million, which they can use so much, if only to save them from debts, and being able to continue buying foods for the animals, salaries for their employees

[arista]

We WILL have to cope somehow.. we always do ... it’s just more stress on education staff .

What could possibly go wrong ...


I just hope they have made provisions to replace all the education staff who will ( for whatever reason ) either be poorly or on long term stress /sick leave or who have simply left the profession.





Johnson in a Lewisham School
talking on both news channels


Zizu would you meet the PM?

[bots]

500,000 americans have now died from covid, more than they lost in the combined losses of the 1st and 2nd world wars and the vietnam war

[user104658]

I'm worried that the newspapers are selling these as concrete dates...

Yep, people will undoubtedly make plans and then if there does need to be a backpedal... people will go ahead with the plans they made regardless. The Christmas "5 days" shambles was only two months ago... how can they possibly have forgotten already?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

yeah all bc of those moaners how we all need to leave the lockdowns now at worst possible time all bc of that stupid irrelevant economy

[Zizu]

Johnson in a Lewisham School

talking on both news channels





Zizu would you meet the PM?



Na ... too shy ... wouldn’t make any difference anyways ..


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: all close contact workers are allowed to get back to work, except sexworkers

youth can resume in team sport again, non-essential stores can be visited only on appointment


the 21:00 curfew will remain for another 3 weeks

[Nicky91]

and there will be military guards, to prevent people from socializing while going to work

[arista]

and there will be military guards, to prevent people from socializing while going to work

Thats good
should save some

[arista]

An Expected/Predicted 30,000 more
Deaths are due
in the UK.
Mostly Older folks.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu5t8JtWgAAAYIn?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Nations around the World with above 10,000 Covid-19 Deaths

500,585 USA deaths
247,143 Brazil deaths
180,536 Mexico deaths
156,463 India deaths
120,988 United Kingdom deaths
95,992 Italy deaths
84,767 France deaths
82,666 Russia deaths
68,399 Germany deaths
67,636 Spain deaths
59,663 Iran deaths
58,974 Colombia deaths
51,359 Argentina deaths
49,150 South Africa deaths
45,263 Peru deaths
42,436 Poland deaths
35,014 Indonesia deaths
28,138 Turkey deaths
26,690 Ukraine deaths
21,923 Belgium deaths
21,720 Canada deaths
20,151 Chile deaths
20,013 Romania deaths
19,537 Czechia deaths
16,086 Portugal deaths
15,547 Ecuador deaths
15,466 Netherlands deaths
14,450 Hungary deaths
13,311 Iraq deaths
12,713 Sweden deaths
12,658 Pakistan deaths
12,107 Philippines deaths
11,470 Bolivia deaths
10,404 Egypt deaths



https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

Tuesday 23/2/21

Today 548 have Died

8,489 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
16,797

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,273



121,305 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Tuesday 23/2/21

Today 548 have Died

8,489 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
16,797

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,273



121,305 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Vaccinations are finally having effect!

[joeysteele]

An Expected/Predicted 30,000 more
Deaths are due
in the UK.
Mostly Older folks.


That's obscene.
Is that what they expect from the relaxation of lockdown.
No wonder Whitty didn't want to put a number to it.

Likely how many care, it's just peoples loved ones lost lives after all.
People's lives clearly a price worth paying.

[bots]

30k deaths in what time scale. I dont see that number over the remainder of this year. The death rate should be closing in on zero per day by April

[Vanessa]

30k deaths in what time scale. I dont see that number over the remainder of this year. The death rate should be closing in on zero per day by April

If we keep vaccinating as we are,bit will definitely help to manage the virus.
It's working so far.

[joeysteele]

30k deaths in what time scale. I dont see that number over the remainder of this year. The death rate should be closing in on zero per day by April

Well I don't know where arista got this from.
Which is why I asked.

It was asked by that Laura woman at the press conference to Whitty.
As to deaths resulting from the new easing of lockdown measures.
He more or less confirmed, yes there would be from that however, wouldn't confirm the multi thousands figure or give one.
Just indicated yes, this would be the case of even more deaths from the relaxation announcements.

[user104658]

30k deaths in what time scale. I dont see that number over the remainder of this year. The death rate should be closing in on zero per day by April

I would think there will be 6 - 8k or so over the next month (that's around 250/day average), and if we're being realistic, they will be expecting another 150 to 200-or-so per day in winter 2021/2022. I think 30k over the next year is, thus, quite a fair estimate.

Note that's not 30k within 2021, I'm including Jan/Feb 2022 in that.

[Zizu]

Well I’m back from the hospital.. had my first Pfizer jab about three hours ago and no ill effects as yet ... initial stinging in my arm for a short while as I sat in the 15 minute waiting area .

I’ve got a bit of a dull headache but that could be down to tension.

I’ve had a stressful day then got increasingly anxious as the vaccine appointment got closer ... got stuck in a flaming traffic jam going there .. then the petrol warning light came on on the motorway.... they even queried why I had been offered it being healthy and under 65 so my wife had to explain the situation

Scary moment though as I thought they were gonna refuse me .. ( remember it had already been cancelled last week ) !

Oh well I should be fairly well protected in three weeks ... sadly the pupils ALL return in 12 days ...


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[arista]

Well I’m back from the hospital.. had my first Pfizer jab about three hours ago and no ill effects as yet ... initial stinging in my arm for a short while as I sat in the 15 minute waiting area .

I’ve got a bit of a dull headache but that could be down to tension.

I’ve had a stressful day then got increasingly anxious as the vaccine appointment got closer ... got stuck in a flaming traffic jam going there .. then the petrol warning light came on on the motorway.... they even queried why I had been offered it being healthy and under 65 so my wife had to explain the situation

Scary moment though as I thought they were gonna refuse me .. ( remember it had already been cancelled last week ) !

Oh well I should be fairly well protected in three weeks ... sadly the pupils ALL return in 12 days ...




Stay Strong Zizu,

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[Zizu]

Stay Strong Zizu,



Arm is a bit sore but that’s perfectly understandable ... plus had a strange, feeling headache all through the night..

Hopefully that’s all I get and it’s a small price to pay ...supposedly most get worse side effects after the second jab and mine is scheduled for 11 weeks today ..


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Don’t like the idea of masses going abroad this summer ... that surely increases the chances of gawd knows how many variants being brought back ... something we just can’t cope with


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[arista]

Don’t like the idea of masses going abroad this summer ... that surely increases the chances of gawd knows how many variants being brought back ... something we just can’t cope with




Yes sadly, it can go wrong.

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[arista]

Greece will open it's borders
for UK "Vaccinated" holidaymakers
in May.

In time for MP Gove to sort out the Mobile Phone & Print Out
Vaccine Pass.


Ref: Times Radio DAB Live

[arista]

Vaccine Passport


[NHS Covid app could be used to prove status
and access venues in England
Measures being considered would see pubs
and restaurants
checking if customers have been
vaccinated or recently tested]

[People could use a revamped NHS app to prove
their Covid status on entering pubs or theatres
in England under plans being considered by ministers,
as one major care provider
said staff have two months to get
jabbed or lose their jobs.
Ministers are expected to give businesses in
England the power to check
Covid certification – whether people have
been vaccinated or the result
of recent tests. That will include
small-scale venues like restaurants or bars.]


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/24/nhs-covid-app-prove-vaccinated-status-access-venues-pubs-in-england

[arista]

Education Sec,
having his first interview on SkyNewsHD
Sophie Ridge today trying to pin down Gavin.

[Zizu]

Education Sec,
having his first interview on SkyNewsHD
Sophie Ridge today trying to pin down Gavin.



Hopefully it will be repeated later on today ?


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[Cherie]

Hopefully it will be repeated later on today ?


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He didn't deny they might extend the school day :worry:

[arista]

Catch him Live now

GMBHD itv


John Pienaar (EX BBC now at 4PM his own show)
just stated on Times Radio DAB
Schools will not open on the 8th of March,
he was talking about the amount of head teachers
saying they are not ready?

[Ammi]

Arm is a bit sore but that’s perfectly understandable ... plus had a strange, feeling headache all through the night..

Hopefully that’s all I get and it’s a small price to pay ...supposedly most get worse side effects after the second jab and mine is scheduled for 11 weeks today ..


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...yeah, hopefully that’s the extent of your symptoms, Zizu...it’s the way with many vaccines, isn’t it...let us know of your progress and how you’re feeling, yeah...:hug:..science is amazing when you think...just one year on..one year, wow....

[arista]

Great Vaccine Passport Debate
on Ch5HD AM Live

[arista]

Vaccine Passport Debate now Live on LBC

[arista]

COVAX
sending Vaccines (from India)
to Ghana in Africa


CNN HD Business Live.

[arista]

Reading and Leeds Music Festivals
to go ahead this August


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/24/12/39710318-9294521-image-a-15_1614168692785.jpg
[Gloom: German chancellor Angela Merkel
has warned of a looming 'third wave',
with the pace of vaccinations too slow
to protect a large share of the population]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9294521/Germanys-biggest-newspaper-praises-Britains-vaccine-success.html

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/24/12/39710318-9294521-image-a-15_1614168692785.jpg

[Gloom: German chancellor Angela Merkel

has warned of a looming 'third wave',

with the pace of vaccinations too slow

to protect a large share of the population]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9294521/Germanys-biggest-newspaper-praises-Britains-vaccine-success.html



This is all rather concerning...

I guess we are all gonna be at risk from one variant or another until the whole world has it under some kind of control.

Gawd forbid that another completely different Coronavirus comes along ..


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[arista]

Live 5PM Education Secretary
10 Downing St.

[joeysteele]

Live 5PM Education Secretary
10 Downing St.


Ugh, he is useless in my view.
Shocking education secretary.

[arista]

Ugh, he is useless in my view.
Shocking education secretary.


He was Campaign Manager getting Johnson Elected
within the Conservative Party.


Its important
as Teen kids must have a mask on all the time.

[joeysteele]

He was Campaign Manager getting Johnson Elected
within the Conservative Party.


Its important
as Teen kids must have a mask on all the time.

That's an even further black mark against him then as to your former point.

[Cherie]

Zizu your boss is up at 5 :worry:

[arista]

Live Now
10 Downing St.
Gavin Williamson Education Secretary

and Dr. Jenny Harris Deputy Chief Medical for England

[arista]

Wednesday 24/2/21

Today 442 have died.

9,938 Have Caught Covid-19.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
16,803


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,273

121,747 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Good Question from LBC
["asks Dr Jenny Harries if the quarantine period of
10 days may be lengthened for new variants."

Dr Harries says a potential extension of quarantine is being
considered for new variants, adding that
"every variant will be looked at if it is a significant transmission risk".]

[joeysteele]

Good Question from LBC

Stating the Kent Variant lasts for 13 days
but you only get paid for 10 days.

Dr.Jenny said it takes a few days to start.


... however, I'll give him some credit in that at least he does or tries to ensure answers to questions are given.
To be fair to Williamson there.

[arista]

Downing St.
has Concluded

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

4.420 new cases

151 new hospitalisations 48 less than yesterday (1.883 in total)

20 new ICU patients, 11 less than yesterday (533 in total)

63 new deaths

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/coronavirus-rule-relaxation-is-risky-but-responsible-rutte-says/

summary of last nights press conference, rule relaxation is risky but responsible according to PM Rutte



also the test experiment, first sort of theatre experiment bubble was a small success

https://twitter.com/SietseBakker/status/1364252972700549122

only one staff member was tested positive for covid, but among those taking part in experiment, no covid was found among them :D

[Zizu]

Zizu your boss is up at 5 :worry:



He’s detested by people in education .

He will forever be remembered for that day when he stood up and thanked all the teaching staff in secondary and primary schools profusely but then in his next breath he assured parents that we would be monitored closely by OFSTED !!


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[Zizu]

Just watching him now on delay..

He’s full of hot air .. I don’t even believe he writes his own script .

All those promises about fantastic hygiene standard and social distancing in schools are complete bollox .


During this second lockdown with these more contagious variants we’ve been working in small to medium classrooms , packed with up to 32 teenagers and 2 other members of staff ... masks not worn in classrooms by anyone !!


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[arista]

Conservative Party Political Broadcast
6:25PM ITV1HD and 6:54PM BBC1


Its Johnson sitting in a Chair
going on about Vaccinations.
No need for erratic piano backing


Green Technology

[AnnieK]

Just watching him now on delay..

He’s full of hot air .. I don’t even believe he writes his own script .

All those promises about fantastic hygiene standard and social distancing in schools are complete bollox .


During this second lockdown with these more contagious variants we’ve been working in small to medium classrooms , packed with up to 32 teenagers and 2 other members of staff ... masks not worn in classrooms by anyone !!


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Did your school not do risk assessments Zizu? My son's school had to turn key worker children down as they had too many children to accommodate after they did risk assessments for distancing

[Zizu]

Did your school not do risk assessments Zizu? My son's school had to turn key worker children down as they had too many children to accommodate after they did risk assessments for distancing


Seemingly not this time round .. the numbers have been increasing daily .. the requirements have been modified by the Government for example even if there’s nowhere quiet for them to work at home they are allowed in .

First lockdown we had about 25 pupils split into 4 or 5 classes of 5 pupils plus two staff .... this time round we are up to around 140 + but still split into 5 classes !!

No masks and with more virulent , contagious variants around us :(


This is why we take the government’s assurances that schools are safe with a pinch of salt .


I can honestly see the next crisis being a desperate shortage in teachers and classroom support staff ...

I work in a small bubble of 7 staff and five of them were seriously considering quitting completely and that was BEFORE this ridiculous decision to get all pupils back in at once ..


It’s not at all pleasant seeing experienced women teachers welling up or actually bursting into tears outside their classroom in a busy corridor
..

The ministers have no idea how much stress the staff have been under for nearly 12 months and its clear they don’t care either ..



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[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9296877/Rishi-Sunaks-axe-fuel-tax-hike-slash-hospitality-VAT-slashed-upcoming-budget.html


Next Wednesday

[arista]

Some Schools (West Midlands & East London Schools)
are going to test the kids
2 days before they go back to school.

Debate on Times Radio DAB.

[arista]

Zizu
Good head teacher

1364842136454262784

[arista]

I think it is Correct that older children
have masks on.


Sod the Girls make Up
staying alive, matters

[arista]

Live just on LBC DAB

Nick Gibb MP agreed any Parents /Children
can refuse the Covid Tests.

Nic said that's no good!
they must be blocked from going to school.


Nick Gibb said no they can go to school

[Nicky91]

Austria follows Israel and also wants a vaccination passport

https://www.archyde.com/austria-wants-european-vaccination-passport-hospital-admissions-to-aruba-are-increasing/

[arista]

Austria follows Israel and also wants a vaccination passport

https://www.archyde.com/austria-wants-european-vaccination-passport-hospital-admissions-to-aruba-are-increasing/


Yes all will soon demand it.


Vaccination Proof on Mobile Phone
and some without a smartphone to be given a
plastic card or print out posted.