Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[arista]

Sky reporting a £10,000 fine was issued to someone in Hertfordshire for hosting a party of 150+ ..

That’s just £66 each ..


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Sure but that was some time ago.

Fines are going up

[bots]

The ONS reckon that 10% of the population have caught covid since the start of the pandemic. So multiply the current death rate by at least 8 before we get herd immunity. Granted 4 million vulnerable have now been vaccinated but there is still a pool of millions of vulnerable people that could be hospitalised and die from covid if it was allowed to run rampant. There will be a natural lull in infection as everyone starts to head outdoors come April/May but we better hope that all the vulnerable are vaccinated by September at the latest

[Vicky.]

The ONS reckon that 10% of the population have caught covid since the start of the pandemic. So multiply the current death rate by at least 8 before we get herd immunity. Granted 4 million vulnerable have now been vaccinated but there is still a pool of millions of vulnerable people that could be hospitalised and die from covid if it was allowed to run rampant. There will be a natural lull in infection as everyone starts to head outdoors come April/May but we better hope that all the vulnerable are vaccinated by September at the latest

But we are told theres like..80k new 'confirmed' cases daily. And this has been going on months. Ontop of this, not all new cases will be picked up (am sure I saw only 1/10 cases actually confirmed at one stage, which probably sounds about right) with so many with no symptoms (and many areas refusing to test without the 'big three'). How can so many cases, along with missed cases, mean only 6m infected in total? Over 10 months so far. Maths is not my strong point, but that doesnt make much sense to me at all :S

[Vicky.]

3,505,754 'confirmed cases'.

Studies appear to show massive differences, 3x to 20x 'true' infection rate from 'confirmed'

If you take 5x, which is obviously one of the lower ones, then that would be like..1/4 of the country? Add in vaccinated...and you don't need 100% for herd immunity anyway?

Even if you take the 3x lowest estimate, thats 10m people, which is above 10%

Might be overly optomistic. Or getting stuff wrong. But, seems an end is in sight to me like, especially with the vaccine being pushed out as quickly as possible.




(Edit. Am not advocating the 'let it go wild and hide the vulnerable away' 'strategy' here mind. Just saying, that the amount already infected kind of..helps things along. Vaccine helps things even more)

[Vicky.]

"Honestly, the cases are due to stall and drop naturally before long anyway."


Vicky
more like 5 years time

So many going to hospital are now are Dying
Brazil Variant. South African Variant.

Viruses mutating is nothing new. Good news is they 'tend' to mutate to be more contagious but less deadly. Not sure if they have decided on this yet with the UK bred version? I know its more transmissable. Not sure if they decided on if it wass less dangerous though. Also fairly sure I saw that it was decided the vaccines do work on the mutated versions also? If they don't the the vaccination program is slightly pointless..which pisses in my cornflakes somewhat tbh.

Something this spreadable would not take anywhere near 5 years. In a weird way, the more transmissable one could be helping maters long term speaking, obviously not now. Such a shame we cannot do the vaccines faster really..as long as the vulnerable are not as likely to actually end in hospital, bugger everyone else. IMO. Its not dangerous for most and never has been.

I say while 'suffering' 'long covid' myself :laugh:

[Zizu]

"Honestly, the cases are due to stall and drop naturally before long anyway."


Vicky
more like 5 years time

So many going to hospital are now are Dying
Brazil Variant. South African Variant.



Plus madam just referred to the a Denmark strain just before in the briefing


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[Vicky.]

I cant believe people are having 15+ people parties though, thats insane. It has to be happening, or the number wouldnt be set that high.

I cannot blame people for the odd family meetup, especially when some have been told to stay away from family for 10 months. But having massive parties is ridiculous. And I agree with the fining. (that said, I don't think fining in general is..a good option really. It doesnt affect the better off at all, ad devastates the low income, which is kind of unfair)

Though is it 800 per party? As as mentioned above, that works out as like 50 quid a person, and many would just take that risk really as its not that much :S

[bots]

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no :laugh:

[arista]

Well Done

[Covid-19: NI lockdown to be extended until 5 March
Coronavirus lockdown restrictions in Northern Ireland
will be extended until 5 March,
the first and deputy first ministers have said.
The executive backed the health minister's proposal
on Thursday, and will review the
move on 18 February.
But ministers were also told that
restrictions may have to remain
in place until after the Easter holidays.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55704312

[arista]

Glastonbury 2021: Festival axed 'with great regret'


Its fair enough
no way could they keep everyone safe
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55746293

[arista]

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no :laugh:



Yes Starts Monday.

[Vicky.]

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no :laugh:

FFS yes of course. Being a little blonde today :p

[Vicky.]

Yes Starts Monday.

This kind of thing is ****ing stupid to me. Why cant it start once announced? There will be parties now that wouldnt otherwise happen, to 'get in before the big fine'. Its like the stupidity of announcing on an afternoon that the pubs will close from midnight onwards, obviously resulting in packed pubs 5 mins later :bored:

[Zizu]

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no :laugh:



So what happens if only 14 or 15 attend a party ?


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[Zizu]

This kind of thing is ****ing stupid to me. Why cant it start once announced? There will be parties now that wouldnt otherwise happen, to 'get in before the big fine'. Its like the stupidity of announcing on an afternoon that the pubs will close from midnight onwards, obviously resulting in packed pubs 5 mins later :bored:



True we’ve had issues like that before as well ..


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[bots]

So what happens if only 14 or 15 attend a party ?


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its the same fine as you would get for small gatherings previously, is it £100 per person?, i can't remember

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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Thoughts on the proposed idea of paying £500 out ...


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[arista]

Thoughts on the proposed idea of paying £500 out ...






They Should do it,
as so many Infected have to go to work to stay afloat.
Not caring about spreading the virus
they have bills to pay.


But it is only talk
not even on the PM's Desk
apart from Newspapers.


Labour will back it.

[Scarlett.]

The trouble is, some people really really need that money, and it could lead to people intentionally getting the virus

[Nicky91]

21:00 PM curfew in dumb slow snails netherlands

:laugh3: :laugh3: as if that will help lmao

[arista]

The trouble is, some people really really need that money, and it could lead to people intentionally getting the virus


Crazy People
Do you think many Scammers would risk it?

[arista]

Prime Minister is Live 5PM Today.
with his 2 others



BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
LBC
Times Radio DAB

[Scarlett.]

Crazy People
Do you think many Scammers would risk it?

I think some people really would

[arista]

LBC : Live the London Mayor
taking phone calls now.

BAME not wanting the vaccine problem


Today the First London Police Officer, died from Covid-19.
Lots of Bus Drivers have lost their lives to Covid-19

[arista]

Asda will supply 7,000
laptops to children of the UK.


The CEO Live on SkyNewsHD Business news.

[joeysteele]

Asda will supply 7,000
laptops to children of the UK.


The CEO Live on SkyNewsHD Business news.

Good move by them.

[Strictly Jake]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too

[AnnieK]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too

Glad it was ok and you have some peace of mind

[Vicky.]

Crazy People
Do you think many Scammers would risk it?

Is this a serious question?

Would people on the bones of their arse, possibly lost job through this, possibly long term skint for various reasons..purposely try to get a virus that has a very low complication rate among the general population (unless you are very elderly, or ill) and infact is most likely to not even make you slightly ill, in order to get enough money to pay the rent/feed their kids that month? Of course they would. I wouldn't call them scammers either, I would call them desperate.

[Zizu]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too



Did they not give you the option of swabbing both nostrils instead of your throat or isn’t that possible with the antibody test



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[Smithy]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too

Did you go to a walk in one or the one at the park and ride?

[Strictly Jake]

Did you go to a walk in one or the one at the park and ride?

I work at uni so we have a centre there that we have to book a test and register beforehand. Was suprised at how quickly the result came

[Strictly Jake]

Did they not give you the option of swabbing both nostrils instead of your throat or isn’t that possible with the antibody test



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Its weird because my sister has to get them done weekly now as she works at a nursery and hers is just the nostrils one

This one was throat, both tonsils for ten seconds then up a nostril for ten seconds.

I wish I just had the nostril one!

[Vicky.]

I was told that test was long gone. That one was bloody horrid. And I got told off for gagging even though they were like..literally poking my gag reflex area :bored: I swear the nose part it felt like trying to poke my brain too.

Was told it was just a cheek swab now. Which made me think the whinging about schoolkids getting it twice a week was ott. If its still that one, I have more sympathy.

[Strictly Jake]

I was told that test was long gone. That one was bloody horrid. And I got told off for gagging even though they were like..literally poking my gag reflex area :bored: I swear the nose part it felt like trying to poke my brain too.

Was told it was just a cheek swab now. Which made me think the whinging about schoolkids getting it twice a week was ott. If its still that one, I have more sympathy.


Yeah I gagged but not as bad as I thought but I think i did it wrong as you have to do it yourself. My nose still hurts a bit too

[Smithy]

It depends on the type of test you have done as to whether or not you just have a nasal swab or whether you a throat swab too. Most sites have both nasal and throat bc the nasal ones aren’t readily available yet.

Also Vicky if it itches your cheek/tongue before the tonsil then it’s invalid so you can’t actually do a cheek swab :pipe:

[Vicky.]

Also Vicky if it itches your cheek/tongue before the tonsil then it’s invalid so you can’t actually do a cheek swab :pipe:

Well yes, I remember that bit of it actually. As was thinking I could NOT do it myself at all if I had to touch tonsils without touching anything else in my mouth, while gagging like hell...

But figured it had 'came on a lot' since that was bloody ages ago now :laugh:

[Cherie]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too

good to hear, its always the way with these things they sound alot worse than they actually are

[Ammi]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too

....awwww, I’m so glad that it wasn’t so bad as you thought it would be, Jake...and a relief to have had it...:hug:..

[Zizu]

Its weird because my sister has to get them done weekly now as she works at a nursery and hers is just the nostrils one



This one was throat, both tonsils for ten seconds then up a nostril for ten seconds.



I wish I just had the nostril one!



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[Ammi]

...really so terribly upsetting that so many cancer patients are having their surgeries postponed/delayed...horrendous for medical hospital staff, what they’re all going through ....

[Nicky91]

...really so terribly upsetting that so many cancer patients are having their surgeries postponed/delayed...horrendous for medical hospital staff, what they’re all going through ....

postponed for 10 more years, covid will last until 2031 if not longer

[arista]

Had an asymptomatic test done an hour ago. Was so nervous all morning as Im a gagger. But it wasnt as bad as I thought it is slightly strange and is uncomfortable but not too much! I have tested negative but will have to have one on tuesday too



Please let us all know on Tuesday again



You are Important Teaching Staff
You Matter.

[AnnieK]

...really so terribly upsetting that so many cancer patients are having their surgeries postponed/delayed...horrendous for medical hospital staff, what they’re all going through ....

Awful for the cancer teams, patients and families. An ex-colleague of mine passed away in November after her treatment was paused due to the pandemic. She had been doing so well to. :sad:

[arista]

Is this a serious question?

Would people on the bones of their arse, possibly lost job through this, possibly long term skint for various reasons..purposely try to get a virus that has a very low complication rate among the general population (unless you are very elderly, or ill) and infact is most likely to not even make you slightly ill, in order to get enough money to pay the rent/feed their kids that month? Of course they would. I wouldn't call them scammers either, I would call them desperate.


Yes Better Wording, Wise Vicky

But surely the £500
would save some lives?
Even with the Fraud,


The Prime Ministers office
has stated no
to the £500, anyway.

[arista]

The PM is Live


He keeps saying Old Variant
New Variant
There is 3 of them Bozzo


Better to say UK
South African
or Brazilian

[Ammi]

Awful for the cancer teams, patients and families. An ex-colleague of mine passed away in November after her treatment was paused due to the pandemic. She had been doing so well to. :sad:

...oh I’m so, so sorry, Annie...:hug:...it’s all so terrifying enough, but you know the importance of it all...but to know the importance of it all and to not have it there for you...?...I just can’t imagine...it’s heartbreaking...

[arista]

Now Chris Whitty and his slides.
1 in 55 in the UK has Covid-19.


He still does not have a clicker
Says Next Slide, please.

[arista]

At least Patrick says the Nations
of Variants


1. UK
2. South Africa
3. Brazil.

[Strictly Jake]

Keep us updated Arista please im unable to watch it

[arista]

Keep us updated Arista please im unable to watch it

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-latest-updates-environment-secretary-facing-questions-over-plans-to-pay-cash-to-isolate-12192114

You can play it live
if you are able


This link refresh it
thats what I can soon post from

[Zizu]

I was told that test was long gone. That one was bloody horrid. And I got told off for gagging even though they were like..literally poking my gag reflex area :bored: I swear the nose part it felt like trying to poke my brain too.

Was told it was just a cheek swab now. Which made me think the whinging about schoolkids getting it twice a week was ott. If its still that one, I have more sympathy.



Thankfully we get the choice of throat and one nostril OR both nostrils .

We also do the swabbing ourselves .. again that’s better as it’s uncomfortable when you do it so gawd knows how it must feel if someone else shoves the swab up your nostrils !!


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[arista]

[17:14
Vallance: South Africa and Brazil variants
of more concern
On the variants first identified in
South Africa and Brazil, Sir Patrick Vallance
says they are "definitely of more concern".]

[He adds there is evidence they "might be less susceptible to vaccines",
but stresses this is not certain at this stage.]

[arista]

Today
1,401 have Died

40,261 Caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
38,562

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,960


95,981 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[17:22
The first media question comes from Hugh Pym from
the BBC - he asks if the PM expects
the death toll to rise quickly and fall slowly?

Mr Johnson says that the death numbers will
continue to be high "at least for a little while to come".]

[Cherie]

The UK variant has a higher mortality

Old variant 10 in a thousand would die

New UK variant 13 in a thousand

Brazil and SA variant may not be covered by vaccine

Uk variant is covered

[Zizu]

Today
1,401 have Died

40,261 Caught Covid-19 today.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
38,562

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,960


95,981 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



Last Fridays stats to compare



15/1/21
55,761 have caught Covid-19

1,280 have Died.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,282

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,672


87,295 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/






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[Vicky.]

The UK variant has a higher mortality

Old variant 10 in a thousand would die

New UK variant 13 in a thousand

Brazil and SA variant may not be covered by vaccine

Uk variant is covered

Thats..weird in virus terms.

As generally they will mutate to be more spreadable, but less dangerous.

Luckily, it seems to be not 'that bad' in terms of 'worse' (finding it hard to word that)


Brazil/SA not covered by vaccine is VERY BAD NEWS. As it basically means, vaccines are pointless? As, new mutations will just keep coming which will get round any vaccine.

[arista]

The UK variant has a higher mortality

Old variant 10 in a thousand would die

New UK variant 13 in a thousand

Brazil and SA variant may not be covered by vaccine

UK variant is covered


We still are waiting for Data
Will Patrick give us the Real Numbers

He just said 41 to 71 have the South African Variant?

[Samm]

can’t seem to be suspicious that this variant being more deadly might just be an excuse to cover that idiot from his own xmas rules that have resulted in mores cases = deaths

[arista]

Thats..weird in virus terms.

As generally they will mutate to be more spreadable, but less dangerous.

Luckily, it seems to be not 'that bad' in terms of 'worse' (finding it hard to word that)


Brazil/SA not covered by vaccine is VERY BAD NEWS. As it basically means, vaccines are pointless? As, new mutations will just keep coming which will get round any vaccine.


Not Yet can that be Confirmed.

[arista]

can’t seem to be suspicious that this variant being more deadly might just be an excuse to cover that idiot from his own xmas rules that have resulted in mores cases = deaths


Yes an Error
he will not confirm for you

[arista]

[17:28
The second media question is from Dan Hewitt
at ITV News. He asks how likely it is that
the lockdown will now last longer in light
of the variant announcement

Boris Johnson says the current package of
measures is enough to deal with new variant
and there are "signs" in the data that
the restrictions are having an impact.

The prime minister says "we really can't begin
to consider unlocking" until it's clear
the vaccine programme is working
and there aren't new variants.
He adds that the rate of infection
also needs to come down.]

[arista]

[17:32
Sky's deputy political editor, Sam Coates,
gets the next question, asking the PM
if it is right that the rules are more relaxed
than they were in March

Mr Johnson said the law is being
enforced stringently, adding they
will make sure people are not gathering.
"It is down to everyone watching to follow the rules,"
he says, citing the now-famous Stay Home,
Protect the NHS and Save Lives slogan

He asks Sir Patrick if he has any theories
as to why the variant is spreading more quickly

Sir Patrick says it could be because it binds
more solidly to receptors or grow
more quickly in certain cell types.

Sam also asks whether we have passed the peak

Prof Whitty says in some age groups
it is not going down, and could even be growing.
As a whole, Prof Whitty says the death rate
is broadly flat, but says it is definitely not
going down across the board.
"The peak of deaths may well be in
the future... this is high and very precarious."]

[arista]

[On vaccine efficacy, Sir Patrick Vallance says different studies
will have different results and warns
against taking one out of context.
He warns it is still "too early" to come to
a definitive judgement.
Sir Patrick adds that there is a "range of data" on
the increased mortality, noting that some studies show no increase.]

[There is a "lot of uncertainty" and a "lot more work" still to do.]

Patrick just said this Virus with stay with us Forever

[Cherie]

Infections still rising in 20 or 30 age group in some areas

[arista]

Concluded at 5:45PM

[Cherie]

Thats..weird in virus terms.

As generally they will mutate to be more spreadable, but less dangerous.

Luckily, it seems to be not 'that bad' in terms of 'worse' (finding it hard to word that)


Brazil/SA not covered by vaccine is VERY BAD NEWS. As it basically means, vaccines are pointless? As, new mutations will just keep coming which will get round any vaccine.

I think may not is key as no data yet

[bots]

the pfizer and moderna vaccines can be changed very quickly to improve effectiveness against new variants as needed.

[arista]

the pfizer and moderna vaccines can be changed very quickly to improve effectiveness against new variants as needed.


Yes that's good news

[user104658]

I think may not is key as no data yetYep definitely not enough data yet. They don't knof if SA and Brazil variants are covered because they haven't been able to effectively measure yet.

Honestly I'd take increased mortality with a pinch of salt, too... It's probably exactly the same.

[Cherie]

Yep definitely not enough data yet. They don't knof if SA and Brazil variants are covered because they haven't been able to effectively measure yet.

Honestly I'd take increased mortality with a pinch of salt, too... It's probably exactly the same.

Yes a range of data some showing no increase

[bots]

Yep definitely not enough data yet. They don't knof if SA and Brazil variants are covered because they haven't been able to effectively measure yet.

Honestly I'd take increased mortality with a pinch of salt, too... It's probably exactly the same.

the increased mortality could be caused by other factors. Time until seeking treatment etc. Indeed the overall pressure the NHS is under must affect efficiency, there is no way that can be avoided and it will have an affect on mortality

[Nicky91]

Johnson calling UK variant more deadly yet is more contagious

that confuses me, i always thought it can't be both? as when something is more deadly, you are likely to die sooner before spreading onto many others

or am i saying something wrong now

[arista]

Johnson calling UK variant more deadly yet is more contagious

that confuses me, i always thought it can't be both? as when something is more deadly, you are likely to die sooner before spreading onto many others

or am i saying something wrong now


Ignore Bozzo


Just get the Real Data from Whitty and Vallance

[UserSince2005]

Its taken them a month to work this out?

[arista]

Its taken them a month to work this out?


It's the same in the USA.

[arista]

Stamford Jewish College
sub lets its college
The Wedding yesterday got them a £10,000 Fine

The company that sub lets it,
has been terminated,


ITV1HD London News

[Josy]

postponed for 10 more years, covid will last until 2031 if not longerOh nicky give it a rest with these silly comments

[Nicky91]

https://www.theweek.co.uk/951626/how-janssen-single-shot-covid-vaccine-works

here is one uk article on dutch Janssen ''one shot'' vaccine

from 11th January


also a promising vaccine i think, which can be more effective due to only one jab rather than others where you need two jabs of

[Vicky.]

I think may not is key as no data yet

Yeah, they dont know, yet spread it on the news knowing people will be scared of the possibility, as the idea of the vaccines NOT being 'the light at the end of the tunnel' is depressing as **** to most. One of my issues with the media and such in all this tbh.

So many maybes. But the maybes always seems to be..doomsday predictions.

Its the polar opposite of the start of it. Where it was all minimizing.

Theres a happy medium to be found. And we are nowhere near that.

[Zizu]

the increased mortality could be caused by other factors. Time until seeking treatment etc. Indeed the overall pressure the NHS is under must affect efficiency, there is no way that can be avoided and it will have an affect on mortality



Excellent point !


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[Zizu]

Stamford Jewish College
sub lets its college
The Wedding yesterday got them a £10,000 Fine

The company that sub lets it,
has been terminated,


ITV1HD London News

Sky News

Over 400 guests !!

5 fines of £200 issued on the spot .. the host may get a £10,000 fine


Pathetic if correct !

I’d jail the main ones if only for a short time - just to send a firm message to the public !

400+ is a sickening number of people ... imagine how many of them are NOW positive and walking around amongst us ..


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[arista]

Sky News

Over 400 guests !!

5 fines of £200 issued on the spot .. the host may get a £10,000 fine


Pathetic if correct !

I’d jail the main ones if only for a short time - just to send a firm message to the public !

400+ is a sickening number of people ... imagine how many of them are NOW positive and walking around amongst us ..





Yes Jail would be good
but so many in Jail now have Covid-19 (numbers kept secret)

[Vanessa]

I don't think lockdown will end before summer.
But I don't mind, work is keeping me busy.

[joeysteele]

We learn very little from the press conferences.
However this one today was filled with so much doubt, with detail very scarce.

I'm left with the view today, we are NOT again being told all we should be.

Even my Mum said, oh turn them off, they're just trying to bamboozle us.
So fed up she was too of them today.

[Ammi]

A serving Metropolitan Police officer, who had been shielding at home and working remotely, has died after testing positive for COVID-19.

PC Michael Warren, 37, was attached to the force’s Territorial Support Group (TSG) and was shielding due to being deemed clinically vulnerable to coronavirus.

He died on Tuesday morning, the Met Police confirmed.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-serving-police-officer-dies-shielding-090547005.html

[Vanessa]

We learn very little from the press conferences.
However this one today was filled with so much doubt, with detail very scarce.

I'm left with the view today, we are NOT again being told all we should be.

Even my Mum said, oh turn them off, they're just trying to bamboozle us.
So fed up she was too of them today.

Yes, I'm not going to watch any more briefings.
I'll just carry on my life as normal.
Going to work as I do everyday.

[bots]

i felt they fudged a lot at the press conference, some of it was understandable because it is a constantly evolving scenaria, with huge streams of data coming in that have to be verified and analysed. If they waited to act until they were 100% sure on everything they did, nothing would ever happen. They use the experience of sage and try to come to the best approach. It's a thankless task

[Zizu]

I heard this said today in Tesco ..

“ So if say there’s a car accident where a young person dies and they had a mild dose of COVID a few weeks ago it’s being counted in the “COVID death toll ! “


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[Vicky.]

I heard this said today in Tesco ..

“ So if say there’s a car accident where a young person dies and they had a mild dose of COVID a few weeks ago it’s being counted in the “COVID death toll ! “


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This has actually been changed to a positive covid test 60 days ago. It was 28 days (until october, I believe, it changed to 60 in october)

I *think* its adjusted later on to make it only those death certificates that mention covid. But its true that the 'quick' numbers include deaths for any reason, who had a positive test up to 28 days (now 60...) previously.

[Vicky.]

Mind

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/sars-cov-2-confirmed-england-deaths-report-to-31-december-2020

Says the numbers are those who have died within 60 days of a positive test

AND those who died after the 60 day period but had covid mentioned on death certificate :S

Which fudges things a bit. As I thought the numbers were adjusted to be more..accurate by the death certificate thing. This looks to be saying the death certificate thing ADDs to the....60 days numbers.

[Vicky.]

Its always been a questionable way to record covid deaths. I don't actually understand the logic behind it at all tbh. Its also one of the reasons comparing country to country doesnt work well, as other countries don't count theirs in such a weird way. And some countries don't include carehomes for their deaths.

[Beso]

Well I know one guy who was clapped out of hospital last april after 6 weeks on a ventilator..so that's 42 days.

He could have easily died on the 38th day.

[Vicky.]

Well I know one guy who was clapped out of hospital last april after 6 weeks on a ventilator..so that's 42 days.

He could have easily died on the 38th day.

Yes, but using the way its counted according to the government thing -

If he died on day 38 of his covid related hospital stay, he would have been recorded as a covid death, as it would be mentioned on the death certificate.

If he died on day 20 of covid related issues, he would have been down as a covid death.

If he left hospital on day 7, clear, then was knocked over. He would be in the covid figures.

If he never entered hospital, but had an official positive test..and then was knocked over, covid death.

HOWEVER

If he never had a test, but succumbed at home, and did not have an autopsy which revelaed covid induced penumonia or something..he would NOT count in the officials.

-

I guess the second lot cancel the first lot out somewhat. As a lot of, especially elderly people might have died at home and noone bothered with autopsies or anything.

Its still a very weird way to record data though. As I said, was under the impression it was the blunt 28 day (now 60) thing was just for the 'fast numbers', but then adjusted longer term to be more accurate. But that seems to be not the case.


Edit. What a bloody fighter that guy is...really. I am consistently amazed at some of the survivial stories that come out. A local one was a 100 year old guy who was in hospital with it but left after a week or so fit as a fiddle.

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[arista]

[COVID-19: Scientists warn against early easing
of lockdown as PM warns of 'more deadly' coronavirus variant
Ministers toughen their messaging amid concerns
the Covid variant discovered in the UK is more deadly
than the original virus.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-government-releases-new-hard-hitting-advert-as-pm-warns-covid-variant-could-be-more-deadly-12196068


Yes stay in Lockdown
should keep the Virus away.

[Nicky91]

also almost 200 cases of UK variant in the US now

States with most cases of the new variant:

California: 72
Florida: 50
New York: 22


The variant -- which is known as B.1.1.7 and appears to spread more easily -- has also been found in at least 60 countries worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-01-23-21/index.html

very handy this one from CNN, a covid-19 update all the latest from the US

[joeysteele]

A relative of mine said, maybe they'll be relaxing things sooner as the infection rate is falling.

Honestly I near despair.
Told them so too.
Of course infection rates are lower because that's what the lockdown is for.
To stop others getting infected.

Without the lockdown, the infection rates would likely still be rising and more out of control.

The stupidity of people astounds me.

Some see this virus as a hoax or not something to be really bothered about.

Even on here, I'm giving up commenting much because of the cheers, when instead of over 1000 deaths there's deaths in the hundreds, of other people's special loved ones, gone unnecessarily and for good.
There's nothing to cheer on as to deaths of loved ones.

Then oh the new infection figures are less..of course they are, thanks in the main to the lockdown.

I have no time for this PM or government on covid.
However look at their faces.
They know more than they are ever telling us.
Listen to the guarded fears and uncertainty around the new strains from them.
I actually think Matt Hancock expressed a very different tone in his last press conference, maybe he's now realised the new possible dangers.

Maybe stronger measures are still needed, as more develops not less.
Those, like my relative, thinking relaxing things is round the corner, make my blood boil intensely.

We're in a crisis in my view, being steered by incompetents, we're NOT told all we should have been or should be.
Then have to deal with the stupidity of what my own relative came out with.

I best really now shut up on this issue on here.
For goodness sake though, why can't it be seen the infections are falling as to RISING infections only because, in the main, we have this lockdown in place.

Honestly, I totally near despair on this issue.
Yes, I'll say it again, I've lost 4 special people from my life to it, I DON'T want to see risks in place of losing any more, no way!!

[Zizu]

I’m trying to remain as positive as possible these days ... and on hearing that the risk of death to males on their 60’s ( me ) from the UK variant has gone up from 10 in a 1000 to 13 in a thousand I wasn’t too alarmed ........ BUT overnight I heard a caller on the radio suggesting that with us vaccinating the over 80’s then 70’s , 60’s and so on what would happen if things REALLY go pear shaped and even more dangerous new variants appear ??

They said in the worst case scenario maybe many hundreds of thousands or millions of UNDER 60’s could die leaving a population of mainly over 60’s ?!?!

Surely that could not happen.. could it ??


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[Zizu]

Any news on this new ONE DOSE vaccine ??


https://www.theweek.co.uk/951626/how-janssen-single-shot-covid-vaccine-works


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[Josy]

Up to 200 members of the National Guard on duty in Washington DC for inauguration day have tested positive for coronavirus

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/the-netherlands-brings-in-a-curfew-from-9pm-on-saturday/

Netherlands 9 PM curfew starts tonight

only exceptions are ''work, walking with dogs, medical & fire emergencies''


so basically the curfew is to stop illegal partying late in evenings and at night


all other lockdown regulations during the day remain as they are, with the face mask compulsory still too (also shows to be working since daily new case numbers are going down)


only countries in europe where daily new cases are going up, are Spain & Portugal also my source for knowing this CNN, they showed us a graphic, most are in green, except those two



as for what happened last week, EU have called for new ''dark red zone'' even stricter travel bans, to highlight the really worst covid hotspots this one i heard in our rtlnews


and the WHO have said other face masks from different fabric still protect you as well, of course the ones also used by hospital staff, care workers FFP2 are the best, but a mask is still better than wearing nothing (heard this morning on CNN)

[arista]

Up to 200 members of the National Guard on duty in Washington DC for inauguration day have tested positive for coronavirus


Yes to be expected

They were in a Hall with Marble Floors
I bet the air was not moving proper

[arista]

[Netherlands:
9 PM curfew starts tonight
only exceptions are ''work, walking with dogs, medical & fire emergencies'']

Good Measure Nicky
your small nation is on the over 10,000 Deaths
death list now.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210122/germany-records-first-case-of-brazilian-coronavirus-strain

Germany has recorded first case of brazilian covid strain


Germany now above 50k deaths, death numbers are still high yes, but daily new cases are going down more thanks to regional travel bans, very strict lockdown procedures, and almost everyone (apart from a very small group of anti-maskers) listening to regulations

[arista]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210122/germany-records-first-case-of-brazilian-coronavirus-strain

Germany has recorded first case of brazilian covid strain


Germany now above 50k deaths, death numbers are still high yes, but daily new cases are going down more thanks to regional travel bans, very strict lockdown procedures, and almost everyone (apart from a very small group of anti-maskers) listening to regulations



Yes I am sure they will find more.

[Vicky.]

also almost 200 cases of UK variant in the US now

States with most cases of the new variant:

California: 72
Florida: 50
New York: 22


The variant -- which is known as B.1.1.7 and appears to spread more easily -- has also been found in at least 60 countries worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-01-23-21/index.html

very handy this one from CNN, a covid-19 update all the latest from the US

Only 200? Thats quite impressive tbh really. Given how easy it spreads, and how it was here in September. They have themselves closed for travel to us don't they? Though, are presumably allowing travel from other places that did NOT close their doors to us til late December? By which time, the genie was well out of the bottle in reality..

[bots]

Only 200? Thats quite impressive tbh really. Given how easy it spreads, and how it was here in September. They have themselves closed for travel to us don't they? Though, are presumably allowing travel from other places that did NOT close their doors to us til late December? By which time, the genie was well out of the bottle in reality..

it's more a case of that's all that they know about. They are not very good at identifying variants. 34th in the world apparently

[Vicky.]

it's more a case of that's all that they know about. They are not very good at identifying variants. 34th in the world apparently
Maybe, am pointedly trying to find the 'good' in all the dom and gloom tbh. Too depressing NOT to look at it that way after all this time! :laugh:

[bots]

Maybe, am pointedly trying to find the 'good' in all the dom and gloom tbh. Too depressing NOT to look at it that way after all this time! :laugh:

Since about April, 'ive tried very hard to look for optimistic angles, but it's not easy :laugh:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1352995478405844994

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1352995478405844994



A little ray of sunshine ..


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[Cherie]

A little ray of sunshine ..


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I’m liking this new positive version of Zizu :love:

[arista]

Today
1,348 have Died.

33,552 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,899

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,076

97,329 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

From ITV1HDnews
their reporter Richard Gainsford
flew into Heathrow from Washington DC.

Heathrow has no Air going through the terminal
Loads of people in one massed area
and 1 Border Control Worker.

Everyone had masks on, of course.


The Airport
shifted the Blame to the Border Control?

But it is their bloody building.

[Zizu]

I’m liking this new positive version of Zizu :love:



Guess when you get so low and terrified there’s only one way to go :)


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[Zizu]

Today
1,348 have Died.

33,552 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,899

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,076

97,329 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/





Last Saturday’s in comparison..

1,299 have died today 16/1/21

41,346 have caught Covid-19 today

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,475

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,789


88,590 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/






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[Vanessa]

The vaccine will help to manage the situation.
But they need to be careful about future mutations of the virus.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

The Mirror headline is very appropriate.

He's refused to even meet grieving relatives repeatedly.

A full open inquiry is going to be vital.


The Times headlines.
Reflect the mess he's made almost across the board.
Admittedly from longer held movement and thinking building.

However, his 2 predecessors then he and his hard-line Ministers have only added to the frustration and resentment building within the UK.
He's done nothing to help remove same.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: the start of 9 PM curfew most places has gone peaceful (just few areas in The Hague mostly some anti-coronaregulation protests)

i personally noticed the difference, a lot more quiet out on the streets

[arista]

Netherlands: the start of 9 PM curfew most places has gone peaceful (just few areas in The Hague mostly some anti-coronaregulation protests)

i personally noticed the difference, a lot more quiet out on the streets



Yes Many nations now doing the same.

[arista]

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[arista]

South Africa coronavirus variant:
77 cases found in UK

[Cases are linked to travellers arriving in the UK,
rather than community transmission, Matt Hancock added.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55786409

[arista]

Today
610 : Deaths
97,939 Total UK Deaths

30,004 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,899

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,076

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Listening to Matt Hancock today and taking in the general news.
This does look bad.

The Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, stressing it could be a long, long time in coming out of this lockdown.
( Stressing the word long twice at least).

Indicates significant new concerns re the virus.
He was very sombre indeed.

[arista]

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[bots]

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is self-isolating for the third time, after coming into contact with someone who tested positive for coronavirus.

He said he would be working from home until next Monday after being notified of the contact earlier.

Sir Keir confirmed on Twitter that he had no symptoms.

The Labour leader last self-isolated in December after a member of his staff tested positive for Covid-19, but he never showed any symptoms of the virus.

He also self-isolated in September after a member of his family showed symptoms - but they later tested negative, allowing Sir Keir to get back to Westminster.

[Scarlett.]

When schools opened back in September, cases immediately began to soar, opening them now would be nothing short of insane

[Tom4784]

Schools need to stay closed for as long as needs be, we'll only be repeating another lockdown in a few weeks time were the schools to open any time soon.

[arista]

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is self-isolating for the third time, after coming into contact with someone who tested positive for coronavirus.

He said he would be working from home until next Monday after being notified of the contact earlier.

Sir Keir confirmed on Twitter that he had no symptoms.

The Labour leader last self-isolated in December after a member of his staff tested positive for Covid-19, but he never showed any symptoms of the virus.

He also self-isolated in September after a member of his family showed symptoms - but they later tested negative, allowing Sir Keir to get back to Westminster.

Yes he is unlucky 3

[arista]

Schools need to stay closed for as long as needs be, we'll only be repeating another lockdown in a few weeks time were the schools to open any time soon.


Its the PM's MP's pushing him.
He will not say - but also told a reporter off for
saying scholls will not upen mid feb.


Video clip
https://news.sky.com/video/boris-johnson-says-government-will-look-at-data-and-potential-for-easing-some-restrictions-12198362

[Niamh.]

When schools opened back in September, cases immediately began to soar, opening them now would be nothing short of insane

Ours were open from September to Dec and the cases stayed low-ish. Ours only started to soar again after other restrictions were lifted during the Christmas period like the amount of people that can visit your house and pubs being open again. Still though I think the cases here are still way too high to allow schools open again anyway, they're as bad or worse than they were back in March

[arista]

Ours were open from September to Dec and the cases stayed low-ish. Ours only started to soar again after other restrictions were lifted during the Christmas period like the amount of people that can visit your house and pubs being open again. Still though I think the cases here are still way too high to allow schools open again anyway, they're as bad or worse than they were back in March


Less population

[Zizu]

When schools opened back in September, cases immediately began to soar, opening them now would be nothing short of insane



Schools will be still spreading the virus around even now ... staff are In full time ..we have 130 plus pupils in each day so including staff there must be 200 people all mixing together in classrooms ( classes of 25 pupils plus 3 staff) .. no masks being worn apart from in corridors.

Then everyone goes home to the families and many pupils are still mixing in the evenings .

Last year staff were working one week on three and we had around 20 pupils per day .

Now the virus is more virulent, contagious and dangerous we are cramming the pupils in and staff working full time with Ofsted looming in the shadows


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[Niamh.]

Less population

I mean stayed low compared to our previous figures not compared to any other countries

[arista]

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[user104658]

When schools opened back in September, cases immediately began to soar, opening them now would be nothing short of insane

Again as I always say when this comes up - Scottish schools opened several weeks prior to English schools opening, and yet cases in Scotland and England started to increase at almost exactly the same time which serves as fairly convincing (albeit purely observational) evidence that schools were not the turning point, as whatever the major turning point was, it MUST be held in common by both countries.

I'm not even arguing for premature re-opening; it does make sense to take as many precautions as possible, but I also think there's a risk in OVER stating the effect of schools, as it stops people looking elsewhere for the real causes of cases shooting up.

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9183683/Woman-received-nasty-note-accusing-bringing-house-prices.html

[user104658]

The long-term effect of prolonged school closures can't be underestimated though. I think it makes sense to keep them closed now that vaccination offers hope, and there's a potential "end game" in play where we can wait it out one last time and then deal with the damage.

However, in a scenario where the vaccinations for whatever reason don't fully bring an end to the lockdown situation by the end of the summer, schools need to reopen next August/September and they need to stay open. Whether than means altering breaks for fewer, longer breaks (to act as "circuit breakers") or whatever. Schools can't stay closed for years on end, it simply isn't feasible.

[arista]

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[arista]

Johnson Prime minister is to go to Scotland some time this week,

He will not let folks like TS know,
when.

Ending:Politics Live BBC2HD

[arista]

Israel
has Closed it's borders
Except trade,


Does not want any more Variants entering their nations.


Good Move.

[Cherie]

The long-term effect of prolonged school closures can't be underestimated though. I think it makes sense to keep them closed now that vaccination offers hope, and there's a potential "end game" in play where we can wait it out one last time and then deal with the damage.

However, in a scenario where the vaccinations for whatever reason don't fully bring an end to the lockdown situation by the end of the summer, schools need to reopen next August/September and they need to stay open. Whether than means altering breaks for fewer, longer breaks (to act as "circuit breakers") or whatever. Schools can't stay closed for years on end, it simply isn't feasible.

They should have made temporary alterations to term times last September, there is no need to be shut for 6 weeks in July and August when virus numbers are going to be low and open all winter, they should have taken 4 weeks of the summer holidays and added it to the Christmas and Feb half term breaks

[bots]

we have a constantly evolving scenario so it makes it difficult to pin exact causes on covid spread. The new variant started in my area and during the lockdown at the end of last year, our infection rate absolutely soared from being really low. Schools were clearly not helping as they were still open when most of everything else was shut down. My contrived conclusion from that is that the new variant in conjunction with school type mixing caused a massive spike, schools were open and infection rate was low all the way up to November. So, i don't think schools open in themselves is the issue, schools open with new variant seems to be nasty combination.

[joeysteele]

1353625212252811264

Therese Coffey is one of the absolute worst example of any politician of any party

She's a horrible, ignorant waste of space.

I watched this.
She did indicate our death rate was largely due to people's age and obesity
Then she ignorantly got huffed when pulled up on it.

She terminated the interview, it's a great pity this heartless, rotten politician hasn't had terminated her being a Minister, with her heartless and cruel attitudes to the vulnerable, sick and disabled too.

Absolutely horrible individual.

[Ammi]

The UK no longer has the worst COVID death rate in the world...

1. Portugal 22.53

2. UK 18.31

3. Slovakia 15.54

4. Czech Republic 13.75

5. Eswatini 12.68

6. Slovenia 12.37

7. Liechtenstein 11.24

8. Lithuania 10.71

9. Ireland 10.47

10. Latvia 10.01

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-worst-covid-death-rate-world-coronavirus-134410395.html

[arista]

Today
592 have Died

22,195 have caught Covid-19

98,531 : Total UK deaths.


Patients in hospital
Latest available
37,899

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
4,076

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

The UK no longer has the worst COVID death rate in the world...

1. Portugal 22.53

2. UK 18.31

3. Slovakia 15.54

4. Czech Republic 13.75

5. Eswatini 12.68

6. Slovenia 12.37

7. Liechtenstein 11.24

8. Lithuania 10.71

9. Ireland 10.47

10. Latvia 10.01

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-worst-covid-death-rate-world-coronavirus-134410395.html


Not good for our Jess

[arista]

Sorry Joey
it is the Cock
again.


BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
LBC
Radio 5
Times Radio DAB

[arista]

Live Now

Also Jenny Harris
and Dr. Susan Hopkins.

[arista]

My View :
Something that could bugger every Vaccine Up,

If the UK Variant, South African Variant, Brazil Variant.
Can not be stopped by any current Vaccine.
All Efforts not good enough.

[Cherie]

The UK no longer has the worst COVID death rate in the world...

1. Portugal 22.53

2. UK 18.31

3. Slovakia 15.54

4. Czech Republic 13.75

5. Eswatini 12.68

6. Slovenia 12.37

7. Liechtenstein 11.24

8. Lithuania 10.71

9. Ireland 10.47

10. Latvia 10.01

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-worst-covid-death-rate-world-coronavirus-134410395.html

is that the Brazilian variant that has driven up Portugal I wonder

[Zizu]

Again as I always say when this comes up - Scottish schools opened several weeks prior to English schools opening, and yet cases in Scotland and England started to increase at almost exactly the same time which serves as fairly convincing (albeit purely observational) evidence that schools were not the turning point, as whatever the major turning point was, it MUST be held in common by both countries.



I'm not even arguing for premature re-opening; it does make sense to take as many precautions as possible, but I also think there's a risk in OVER stating the effect of schools, as it stops people looking elsewhere for the real causes of cases shooting up.



Didn’t the Scottish schools have a staggered return though .. I maybe wrong on that I seem to recall them doing something like that .. anyways that would have an impact on the spread ..

The thing is everyone knows that children spread disease / illness / infections so it’s simply ridiculous to say ( as they did initially) that children weren’t spreading the virus .

As I said in my recent post .. they are currently being crammed into classrooms along with maybe 25 other pupils plus two or three staff members - nobody wears masks in classes only in corridors-they then mix with their mates at break , lunchtime AND mix with other friends in the evenings .




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[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/25/11/38445322-0-image-a-15_1611572682569.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9183683/Woman-received-nasty-note-accusing-bringing-house-prices.html



They should have started with the Covid aspect then thrown the wheelie bin point in as an afterthought ..


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[arista]

17:19
Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC asks: How and when
will lockdown be lifted, and if you can't tell us,
if not, why not?


[Matt Hancock stressed
it is “very important to understand where we are right now”.
He said there are 37,000 people in hospital with
COVID across the UK – almost twice as many
as during the first peak.
There are also more people on ventilators than ever, he said.
He said that “pressure on the NHS remains huge”
and we “have to get the case rate down”
before lockdown is lifted.

Mr Hancock said he “understands the yearning
of people wanting to get out of this”,
but we have to look at the death rates,
hospitalisations, variants,
and the success of vaccines, and decide when it's safe.

So in short, he can't tell us when lockdown will be lifted.]

[arista]

17:25
[ITV's Tom Clarke asks how many cases there have
been of the South African and Brazilian variants in the UK.
He also asks what evidence there
is from the vaccine already rolled out
that it is effective against the Kent variant]

[The health secretary does not give a definitive
answer for the number of cases of these variants
found in the UK, saying he already set this out yesterday.
But he does say they are "very, very small numbers".]

[Cherie]

17:19
Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC asks: How and when
will lockdown be lifted, and if you can't tell us,
if not, why not?


[Matt Hancock stressed
it is “very important to understand where we are right now”.
He said there are 37,000 people in hospital with
COVID across the UK – almost twice as many
as during the first peak.
There are also more people on ventilators than ever, he said.
He said that “pressure on the NHS remains huge”
and we “have to get the case rate down”
before lockdown is lifted.

Mr Hancock said he “understands the yearning
of people wanting to get out of this”,
but we have to look at the death rates,
hospitalisations, variants,
and the success of vaccines, and decide when it's safe.

So in short, he can't tell us when lockdown will be lifted.]

Stupid question tbf, he hasn’t got a crystal ball

[Zizu]

The long-term effect of prolonged school closures can't be underestimated though. I think it makes sense to keep them closed now that vaccination offers hope, and there's a potential "end game" in play where we can wait it out one last time and then deal with the damage.

However, in a scenario where the vaccinations for whatever reason don't fully bring an end to the lockdown situation by the end of the summer, schools need to reopen next August/September and they need to stay open. Whether than means altering breaks for fewer, longer breaks (to act as "circuit breakers") or whatever. Schools can't stay closed for years on end, it simply isn't feasible.



Well next August there may not be many school staff left anyways so it won’t be an issue .. of the staff that are not off sick , or working from home as they’re vulnerable..... I know many , many teachers and teaching assistants who are ready to quit .. probably before Easter as well ..so god knows how many will stick around for the long term .. probably just the ones at the top - the heads , deputy heads , SLTs and the HLTAs who are not on the front line with the kids .

We had two young teaching assistants who didn’t even come back after Christmas- they just left without giving notice .

We are currently under staffed , over worked , being given in some cases completely new roles plus we are all risking our lives and our immediate families lives .

It’s all so disheartening...


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[bots]

the media just piss me off, it's obvious that we cant open up again until the numbers in hospital are down. They are just stirring it and actually encouraging people to ignore restrictions

[arista]

Utter Bollocks
Health Secretary just said it great they work against the Variants.

The 2 Doctors said they hoped the Vaccine would work.

[Zizu]

we have a constantly evolving scenario so it makes it difficult to pin exact causes on covid spread. The new variant started in my area and during the lockdown at the end of last year, our infection rate absolutely soared from being really low. Schools were clearly not helping as they were still open when most of everything else was shut down. My contrived conclusion from that is that the new variant in conjunction with school type mixing caused a massive spike, schools were open and infection rate was low all the way up to November. So, i don't think schools open in themselves is the issue, schools open with new variant seems to be nasty combination.



Last sentence is spot on .

New more contagious, more transmissible, more dangerous variants amongst us yet we have six times more pupils in now than we had last year plus they are in classes of up to 28 when last year ( when it was safer) they were in classes of 5 or 6 !!!

It’s sheer madness


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[arista]

the media just piss me off, it's obvious that we cant open up again until the numbers in hospital are down. They are just stirring it and actually encouraging people to ignore restrictions


This Cock
is saying Nothing New.

[Ammi]

...tbf, the government make it so easy for the media, though...’well, we just have to be extra careful not to pass it on...’....oh, thank you Mr Hancock, we just weren’t sure...

[Zizu]

17:19
Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC asks: How and when
will lockdown be lifted, and if you can't tell us,
if not, why not?


[Matt Hancock stressed
it is “very important to understand where we are right now”.
He said there are 37,000 people in hospital with
COVID across the UK – almost twice as many
as during the first peak.
There are also more people on ventilators than ever, he said.
He said that “pressure on the NHS remains huge”
and we “have to get the case rate down”
before lockdown is lifted.

Mr Hancock said he “understands the yearning
of people wanting to get out of this”,
but we have to look at the death rates,
hospitalisations, variants,
and the success of vaccines, and decide when it's safe.

So in short, he can't tell us when lockdown will be lifted.]



I don’t know why they even bother asking questions like that or when will schools reopen .. Jesus things could get far , far better or even far , far WORSE and in a very short time .. nobody knows


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[Zizu]

Stupid question tbf, he hasn’t got a crystal ball



Exactly !!


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[Ammi]

...or want Arista just said...:laugh:..they really so often make it easy for the media...

[arista]

The Cock Ran Off at 5:42PM

Avoiding a Question about a member of staff
to be appointed last year

[user104658]

Well next August there may not be many school staff left anyways so it won’t be an issue .. of the staff that are not off sick , or working from home as they’re vulnerable..... I know many , many teachers and teaching assistants who are ready to quit .. probably before Easter as well ..so god knows how many will stick around for the long term .. probably just the ones at the top the heads , deputy heads , SLTs and the HLTAs who are not on the front line with the kids .

We had two young teaching assistants who didn’t even come back after Christmas- they just left without giving notice .

We are currently under staffed , over worked , being given in some cases completely new roles plus we are all risking our lives and our immediate families lives .

It’s all so disheartening...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProQualified teachers are not going to quit a job with a 30k - 40k salary into an uncertain economy (where even replacing with full time minimum wage could be a challenge). It just won't happen in large numbers. There are only 3 possible scenarios for it;

1) They're only a few years off retirement anyway.

2) They have a high household income (a partner who can support them comfortably and securely until times are better).

3) they have a SKY HIGH level of self-belief

4)... They're extremely stupid.


I'm not saying that it's a good thing that people are "trapped" in jobs where they feel unsafe... However, it is a reality. There are no jobs to leave for, even fewer that are paid half as much, fewer still that don't carry similar levels of risk. Realistically, few could do it even if they wanted to, and still make ends meet.

[Zizu]

I don’t know why they even bother asking questions like that or when will schools reopen .. Jesus things could get far , far better or even far , far WORSE and in a very short time .. nobody knows


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We had three positive cases last week and they sent home each of the pupils plus the ones sitting either side of them .. . not too long ago when it wasn’t as dangerous or contagious... the whole class of pupils were sent home for 10 to 14 days and the room was deep cleaned .


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[Zizu]

Qualified teachers are not going to quit a job with a 30k - 40k salary into an uncertain economy (where even replacing with full time minimum wage could be a challenge). It just won't happen in large numbers. There are only 3 possible scenarios for it;

1) They're only a few years off retirement anyway.

2) They have a high household income (a partner who can support them comfortably and securely until times are better).

3) they have a SKY HIGH level of self-belief

4)... They're extremely stupid.


I'm not saying that it's a good thing that people are "trapped" in jobs where they feel unsafe... However, it is a reality. There are no jobs to leave for, even fewer that are paid half as much, fewer still that don't carry similar levels of risk. Realistically, few could do it even if they wanted to, and still make ends meet.



They will probably go on long term stress leave then - I’m seeing maybe two or three staff crying each week - usually away from prying eyes whilst they were just chatting but I consoled one female teacher who was crying in the corridor outside her classroom -it just came from nowhere ....

I’m pretty sure that many teaching assistants will simply quit over the coming weeks / months.

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[Vanessa]

The numbers are coming down, but we still have a long way to go.

[arista]

The numbers are coming down, but we still have a long way to go.

Monday is the lag day.
After the weekend, so let hold's on until in the week
to be fair.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/new-coronavirus-cases-lowest-in-8-weeks-more-patients-in-hospital/

https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/210125-NL-total-tests-560x349.png

new coronavirus cases now at lowest in last 8 weeks, more patients in hospital though

[arista]

Stupid question tbf, he hasn’t got a crystal ball


BBC Laura
trying to get the Dates
but we all knew from the PM
today - No Dates will be given yet.



Wasted Question.


What we all need to know
are the 3 Covid Variants
100% stopped by the 2 vaccines?
As they are not 100% sure.


Morderna Vaccine in the UK, not until spring
17million.

[Vanessa]

I think better to wait until the virus is under control before reopening.

[MTVN]

Teachers were not at significantly higher risk of death from Covid-19 than the general population, Office for National Statistics figures suggest.

Restaurant staff, people working in factories and care workers had among the highest death rates, followed by taxi drivers and security guards.

Nurses were more than twice as likely as their peers to die of coronavirus.

Secondary school teachers may have been at slightly, but not measurably, higher risk than the average.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55795608

[arista]

I think better to wait until the virus is under control before reopening.


Yes Wise Words.
Vanessa.

[bots]

BBC Laura
trying to get the Dates
but we all knew from the PM
today - No Dates will be given yet.



Wasted Question.


What we all need to know
are the 3 Covid Variants
100% stopped by the 2 vaccines?
As they are not 100% sure.


Morderna Vaccine in the UK, not until spring
17million.

they can get a good idea from lab tests if the vaccine is still effective, but it's not a simple switch, the effectiveness of the vaccine may go up or down by an amount, but that can only be determined by testing thousands of people who have been vaccinated who have been exposed to the new variants, and that is not an easy thing to determine. If people vaccinated start being hospitalised with covid that would be a good indication, but again, that will take months to determine. So, patience Arista, you are not going to get a definitive answer any time soon

[user104658]

They will probably go on long term stress leave then - I’m seeing maybe two or three staff crying each week - usually away from prying eyes whilst they were just chatting but I consoled one female teacher who was crying in the corridor outside her classroom -it just came from nowhere ....

I’m pretty sure that many teaching assistants will simply quit over the coming weeks / months.

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I do have sympathy for them but sadly this is very common across the board right now... my workplace is all tucked up safe working from home and has been for 9+ months now, but tears on zoom is still a regular occurrence unfortunately.

[Zizu]

Teachers were not at significantly higher risk of death from Covid-19 than the general population, Office for National Statistics figures suggest.



Restaurant staff, people working in factories and care workers had among the highest death rates, followed by taxi drivers and security guards.



Nurses were more than twice as likely as their peers to die of coronavirus.



Secondary school teachers may have been at slightly, but not measurably, higher risk than the average.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55795608



With respect those stats are out of date and totally irrelevant in regards to secondary schools now .

The ‘situation’ has changed dramatically since mid December the last date in those stats .

We’ve had the festive period since then and we now have many new variants - all more contagious/ transmissible and dangerous .

We are cramming more pupils than normal into classes as staff are either sick or teaching online from home due to health conditions..

Also when a pupil tests positive ... schools now only send home the person sitting either side of them whereas before Christmas the whole class of pupils would have been sent home for 10 to 14 days and the room deep cleaned .


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[AnnieK]

Zizu, if you are so worried and anxious, could you not get signed off work? I honestly worry that you will make yourself ill by worrying. :love:

[smudgie]

Teachers going from weekly testing up to twice a week now.
Daughter’s new school is great, not too many pupils in and excellent at keeping distances and sanitising.
The school she left at Christmas was terrible, so it varies from school to school.:shrug:

[Zizu]

Zizu, if you are so worried and anxious, could you not get signed off work? I honestly worry that you will make yourself ill by worrying. :love:



The headmaster has said he’d approve me going on the sick for a while but I’ve said I will stay at work with everyone else .. as long as I can ..

My personality has changed dramatically , I’m losing weight , I can’t relax or enjoy anything and I haven’t played any music since last August ..

Such is life ..

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[Zizu]

Teachers going from weekly testing up to twice a week now.

Daughter’s new school is great, not too many pupils in and excellent at keeping distances and sanitising.

The school she left at Christmas was terrible, so it varies from school to school.:shrug:



True about schools being so different.. there are no rules just ‘guidelines’ which are open to interpretation.

Ours is a fabulous school with a tremendous headmaster and deputy head but they’re trying to accommodate as many pupils as they can .. kinda putting the pupils needs before the staff it feels .. which may or may not be the best way - depending on your position.

There is currently ZERO social distancing in classes or corridors . We only social distance in our staff rooms .


As regards these tests in schools.. they are those LFD tests and they’re only around 48% reliable according to recent stats .. they were used in Liverpool if you recall .

Guess 48% is better than nothing ..

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[AnnieK]

The headmaster has said he’d approve me going on the sick for a while but I’ve said I will stay at work with everyone else .. as long as I can ..

My personality has changed dramatically , I’m losing weight , I can’t relax or enjoy anything and I haven’t played any music since last August ..

Such is life ..

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You should possibly thi.k about time out Zizu. Your mental health sounds like it is suffering badly. You won't help anyone making yourself ill. You need to take care of you :hug:

[Zizu]

You should possibly thi.k about time out Zizu. Your mental health sounds like it is suffering badly. You won't help anyone making yourself ill. You need to take care of you :hug:



Yes my wife feels the same way but I’m determined to try and ride the storm ... if I was at home doing nothing I’d only feel bad for leaving others having to work even harder .

I’m hopefully things can’t get any worse than they have been of late ..

Thank you for your concern.. it is heartwarming and much appreciated after another difficult day .


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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I’d love to see the results of a massive survey done asking all the pupils if they’d rather be back in school or stay at home ...


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[arista]

I’d love to see the results of a massive survey done asking all the pupils if they’d rather be back in school or stay at home ...




Yes what's the real Truth.

[Cherie]

I knew this would happen with schools, literally less than 4 weeks ago the clamour was SCHOOLS MUST CLOSE...BLAH BLAH BLAH

now we are back to SCHOOLS MUST OPEN

we cant have it all, we have to drive infection down and if that means keeping schools closed so be it

I also think only those in exam years should return initially and only then on a week on/week off basis

[arista]

I knew this would happen with schools, literally less than 4 weeks ago the clamour was SCHOOLS MUST CLOSE...BLAH BLAH BLAH

now we are back to SCHOOLS MUST OPEN

we cant have it all, we have to drive infection down and if that means keeping schools closed so be it

I also think only those in exam years should return initially and only then on a week on/week off basis


Yes more infections
more rampant spreading
of Covid-19.


And Not enough Vaccinated, yet




Johnson PM is a Fool on this.

[AnnieK]

I knew this would happen with schools, literally less than 4 weeks ago the clamour was SCHOOLS MUST CLOSE...BLAH BLAH BLAH

now we are back to SCHOOLS MUST OPEN

we cant have it all, we have to drive infection down and if that means keeping schools closed so be it

I also think only those in exam years should return initially and only then on a week on/week off basis

Agreed

[user104658]

I knew this would happen with schools, literally less than 4 weeks ago the clamour was SCHOOLS MUST CLOSE...BLAH BLAH BLAH



now we are back to SCHOOLS MUST OPEN



we cant have it all, we have to drive infection down and if that means keeping schools closed so be it



I also think only those in exam years should return initially and only then on a week on/week off basisBut Cherie, if they have a week off they're supposed to self isolate for 14 days so then what?

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210126/anger-on-czech-border-as-germany-demands-covid-19-tests

anger at czech border as germany demands covid 19 tests

https://www.thelocal.de/20210125/germany-plans-to-allow-sale-of-covid-19-home-test-kits-in-pharmacies

germany plans to allow sale of covid 19 test kits at pharmacies

https://www.thelocal.de/20210125/number-of-new-covid-19-cases-in-germany-continues-to-fall-january-2021

number of new cases in germany continues to fall

[Cherie]

B]]But Cherie, if they have a week off they're[/B][/B] supposed to self isolate for 14 days so then what?

that makes no sense? I don't know what you mean

[arista]

1354009696483631104


Anger at the British Internet Star
in Dubai.



1354008284643131394

[arista]

1353673765075509249

[user104658]

that makes no sense? I don't know what you mean

You have to self isolate because it's one of the main 3 covid symptoms, duh.

Fever, week off, or loss of taste & smell.

[Cherie]

You have to self isolate because it's one of the main 3 covid symptoms, duh.

Fever, week off, or loss of taste & smell.

what's that got to do with going back to school on a week on/week off basis?

why can't classes be streamed out live or recorded to view later?

[user104658]

what's that got to do with going back to school on a week on/week off basis?

why can't classes be streamed out live or recorded to view later?

No one should go back to school with a week off, we've known this since last March.

[Cherie]

No one should go back to school with a week off, we've known this since last March.

what are you banging on about, I am talking about exams year kids taking it in turns to go in on a weekly basis to reduce the class sizes :laugh:

obviously they should follow self isolation rules if they get pinged

[user104658]

what are you banging on about, I am talking about exams year kids taking it in turns to go in on a weekly basis to reduce the class sizes [emoji23]No one should go to school with a week off!

Say it out loud...

[Cherie]

No one should go to school with a week off!

Say it out loud...

:bored:

[user104658]

:bored:It's one of the pundamental Covid rules...

[arista]

1354036698246762497

[Cherie]

It's one of the pundamental Covid rules...


I also think only those in exam years should return initially and only then on a week on/week off basis

This is what I said, no idea why you are talking about covid rules :shrug:

If they have to self isolate that is a different story

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1354062283253673985

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1353804823842402309

[arista]

1354064431068622850


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5PM
BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
LBC
Radio5

[Cherie]

Nicky your Netherlands made the news

3rd night in a row of rioting

[Nicky91]

Nicky your Netherlands made the news

3rd night in a row of rioting

i know, there is a separate thread for that

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373094

many rioters have been arrested so far, and many fines have been handed out too

[Cherie]

There is also a separate thread for vaccine news :idc:

[arista]

[The PM is holding a No10 press conference at 5pm to mark
the day that the ONS have said 100,000 have died
with Covid-19 on their death certificate.
Will the Government's own count also hit the same grim figure today too?]

Tom Newton Dunn
Times Radio.

[user104658]

I also think only those in exam years should return initially and only then on a week on/week off basis

This is what I said, no idea why you are talking about covid rules :shrug:

If they have to self isolate that is a different story

A week off Cherie. A wee koff. A wee cough! For goodness sakes. RUINED it. Utterly trashed :hmph:.