Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[arista]

Joe Wicks is back...


Yes YouTube next week.

[Zizu]

1 in 50 in the UK have Covid-19


Ch4HDnews Live



1 in 45 in the North West :(


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[arista]

Keir Starmer
The Labour leader
has just given his response,
he supports the new lockdown.


SkyNewsHD and BBC1HD

[arista]

1 in 45 in the North West :(






Yes thats worse news

[Zizu]

masks do work, but you can't rely on those alone


regional travel ban, curfews would also be a good one for Boris & his team to consider



as for south africa with their new strain, travel ban for that country for time being, and carefully sending a scientist with hazmat suit over to collect blood sample from someone who got that new variant, just to compare against original covid strain and uk strain, i mean it would be good to compare, just to see what you need to do for a possible different vaccine to treat people with that new strain



Apparently they stopped flights coming into the uk from SA on the 24th December ...


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[Beso]

Yes the South African Variant is worse

Why is it worse?

It's less contagious as our one.

[arista]

Why is it worse?

It's less contagious as our one.


Reports have said you can get infected
with just a little amount of the New South African Variant Covid-19
to get infected

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-04/covid-matt-hancock-very-worried-by-south-african-variant

[Zizu]

Why is it worse?



It's less contagious as our one.



Says who !?

It’s swept through SA rapidly and was THE dominant strain / variant within a matter of weeks ... quite frankly it sounds horrendous given it’s so virulent .


I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of this virus but the SA guy on Sky News just then mentioned something about it being somewhat different as the vaccines that are available concentrate on a protein strand or something but the SA isn’t targeting the same area so companies will have to produce vaccines covering a ‘wider base’ ... his words not mine ..

Hopefully somebody else can explain things better than I can .





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[Vanessa]

Italy is also working on their own vaccine.

[Zizu]

Now this was the headline a few months ago .. I really hope that they’re going to be far more careful this time round ..

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Coronavirus: Up to £3.5bn furlough claims fraudulent - HMRC
08 September 2020


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[Cherie]

1 in 30 in London

[Smithy]

So what happened at the 5pm briefing?

[Beso]

Says who !?

It’s swept through SA rapidly and was THE dominant strain / variant within a matter of weeks ... quite frankly it sounds horrendous given it’s so virulent .


I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of this virus but the SA guy on Sky News just then mentioned something about it being somewhat different as the vaccines that are available concentrate on a protein strand or something but the SA isn’t targeting the same area so companies will have to produce vaccines covering a ‘wider base’ ... his words not mine ..

Hopefully somebody else can explain things better than I can .





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I cant remember now.

It was on the news though...ITV probably.

[Zizu]

I cant remember now.



It was on the news though...ITV probably.



Sky just showed the spike in South Africa and it’s far worse than even our new variant...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210105/21e81b729a45803a291ab7fe8430601b.jpg


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[Beso]

Na ... Sky just showed the spike in South Africa and it’s far worse than even our new variant...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210105/21e81b729a45803a291ab7fe8430601b.jpg


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Must have been bbc1 then

[hijaxers]

Sky just showed the spike in South Africa and it’s far worse than even our new variant...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210105/21e81b729a45803a291ab7fe8430601b.jpg


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These are very scarey graphs and its almost a year i've been shut in my house ! and i'm expecting a few more months yet !! Hoping to get out eventually and do my own shopping !

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

1 in 30 in London

which basically means travelling by bus or tube your are going to be in the vicinity of someone infected

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: first person vaccinated just now

[AnnieK]

Netherlands: first person vaccinated just now

Good news Nicky

[Nicky91]

Good news Nicky

yes, better late than never i guess

care workers and hospital staff first though

with Pfizer/BioNTech

and if all goes to plan which i hope, then March is what they think regular people (60+) might be vaccinated for first time

[arista]

[China raises alarm
after 63 coronavirus infections found
in Hebei province on one day]

[arista]

The PM is live in Parliament

[smudgie]

My friends father in law went for his second jab today.

[arista]

My friends father in law went for his second jab today.


Thats good news,


Now the Labour Leader is speaking

[arista]

Worldwide Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000

357,385 USA deaths
197,732 Brazil deaths
150,114 India deaths
128,822 Mexico deaths
76,428 United Kingdom deaths
76,329 Italy deaths
66,417 France deaths
59,137 Russia deaths
55,830 Iran deaths
51,430 Spain deaths
44,428 Colombia deaths
43,785 Argentina deaths
37,830 Peru deaths
36,808 Germany deaths
30,524 South Africa deaths
30,055 Poland deaths
23,296 Indonesia deaths
21,879 Turkey deaths
20,171 Ukraine deaths
19,827 Belgium deaths
16,788 Chile deaths
16,253 Canada deaths
16,178 Romania deaths
14,103 Ecuador deaths
12,856 Iraq deaths
12,436 Czechia deaths
11,922 Netherlands deaths
10,461 Pakistan deaths
10,198 Hungary deaths



https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not a fan of Starmer, but he absolutely nails it here.

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErC_uJLWMAEYJ8s?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

The PM was asked if the Local Elections
of the UK can take place in May.
They are Huge as last years is rolled up in this one.


Johnson said it is Law they will go ahead
but it is under review

[James]

I hope the fans can be let in to the Euro 2020 matches here.

[Cherie]

Worldwide Covid-19 Deaths above 10,000

357,385 USA deaths
197,732 Brazil deaths
150,114 India deaths
128,822 Mexico deaths
76,428 United Kingdom deaths
76,329 Italy deaths
66,417 France deaths
59,137 Russia deaths
55,830 Iran deaths
51,430 Spain deaths
44,428 Colombia deaths
43,785 Argentina deaths
37,830 Peru deaths
36,808 Germany deaths
30,524 South Africa deaths
30,055 Poland deaths
23,296 Indonesia deaths
21,879 Turkey deaths
20,171 Ukraine deaths
19,827 Belgium deaths
16,788 Chile deaths
16,253 Canada deaths
16,178 Romania deaths
14,103 Ecuador deaths
12,856 Iraq deaths
12,436 Czechia deaths
11,922 Netherlands deaths
10,461 Pakistan deaths
10,198 Hungary deaths



https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


Pakistan numbers don't look right at all...and is China still on 3,000

[joeysteele]

Pakistan numbers don't look right at all...and is China still on 3,000

If we can believe the stats from China Cherie.

They're supposedly just over 4,500 apparently now.

[DouglasS]

Pakistan numbers don't look right at all...and is China still on 3,000

China are closer to 300,000 than 3000 :joker:

[arista]

Pakistan numbers don't look right at all...and is China still on 3,000


China is well dodgy with their Covid death numbers.

but they are in the Above 10,000 group really.


On that Covid List they are
4,788 China deaths

But that is fake total.

[user104658]

Pakistan numbers don't look right at all...and is China still on 3,000

Life expectancy in Pakistan is something like 68 whereas in the UK it's 79 - 83.

The vast (VAST) majority of Covid deaths are in over-75's.

This is often overlooked when comparing international stats, I think. You can't die of Covid if you've already died of something else... countries with higher life expectancy will see larger case fatality ratios than those with lower expectancy, because in short, "there are more old people around to die from it".

[Nicky91]

I hope the fans can be let in to the Euro 2020 matches here.

umm, maybe with help of those ''bubbles'' + quick testing

also only allow them in, if you got two negative tests, and not ''one positive test and then a negative test few days later''

[Zizu]

Life expectancy in Pakistan is something like 68 whereas in the UK it's 79 - 83.

The vast (VAST) majority of Covid deaths are in over-75's.

This is often overlooked when comparing international stats, I think. You can't die of Covid if you've already died of something else... countries with higher life expectancy will see larger case fatality ratios than those with lower expectancy, because in short, "there are more old people around to die from it".



May I ask we why our ‘daily death figure’ only applies to ‘within 28 days of’ ??




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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima called the start of vaccinations a turning point and a way towards the light at the end of the tunnel of this crisis

they have thanked everyone who has been working on these vaccines for all of us

and they also had let the press know they will let themselves also be vaccinated

[arista]

After The Education Sec.

Now The Health Secretary is Live in Parliament,

[Tom4784]

China are definitely fudging the numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if the figures are far lower than we expect, East Asia has done pretty well, last I heard, in dealing with the virus despite bearing the brunt of it via proximity to the source.

[Zizu]

China are definitely fudging the numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if the figures are far lower than we expect, East Asia has done pretty well, last I heard, in dealing with the virus despite bearing the brunt of it via proximity to the source.



Wonder how ‘well’ they will cope with these new more virulent strains ?


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[Cherie]

Life expectancy in Pakistan is something like 68 whereas in the UK it's 79 - 83.

The vast (VAST) majority of Covid deaths are in over-75's.

This is often overlooked when comparing international stats, I think. You can't die of Covid if you've already died of something else... countries with higher life expectancy will see larger case fatality ratios than those with lower expectancy, because in short, "there are more old people around to die from it".

oh yeah didn't think of that

[Cherie]

If we can believe the stats from China Cherie.

They're supposedly just over 4,500 apparently now.

oh right, thats pretty low Joey!

[arista]

China are definitely fudging the numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if the figures are far lower than we expect, East Asia has done pretty well, last I heard, in dealing with the virus despite bearing the brunt of it via proximity to the source.


Of Course, they are well fake.

[arista]

62,322 Have got Covid-19


1,041 have Died


Patients in hospital
Latest available
30,451

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,645

77,346 Total Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[AnnieK]

62,322 Have got Covid-19


1,041 have Died


Patients in hospital
Latest available
30,451

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,645

77,346 Total Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

That's a big jump in patients on ventilators from yesterday :worry:

[arista]

That's a big jump in patients on ventilators from yesterday :worry:



Yes its a Mega High Death rate as well,
And the Highest that have tested for Covid-19

[AnnieK]

Yes its a Mega High Death rate as well,
And the Highest that have tested for Covid-19

Think there are going to be some very dark days before this wave is under control

[arista]

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[Strictly Jake]

I go back to working full time at uni tomorrow. I was hoping it would go into lockdown. I was hoping I would be going into lockdown. But nope they have told all the students to come back from around the country and from abroad and I will be spending all day every day cleaning after them. So when you all clap for heroes tomorrow. Give me a small clap too if you want!

[arista]

I go back to working full time at uni tomorrow. I was hoping it would go into lockdown. I was hoping I would be going into lockdown. But nope they have told all the students to come back from around the country and from abroad and I will be spending all day every day cleaning after them. So when you all clap for heroes tomorrow. Give me a small clap too if you want!



Well done, mate.

[arista]

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Thank You Police
for protecting our Parliament.

[AnnieK]

I go back to working full time at uni tomorrow. I was hoping it would go into lockdown. I was hoping I would be going into lockdown. But nope they have told all the students to come back from around the country and from abroad and I will be spending all day every day cleaning after them. So when you all clap for heroes tomorrow. Give me a small clap too if you want!

Really? I thought all uni students had to switch to online learning unless they were doing courses like medicine or teaching. Look after yourself Jake

[Strictly Jake]

Really? I thought all uni students had to switch to online learning unless they were doing courses like medicine or teaching. Look after yourself Jake

Yeah so did I but we have had a letter sent out that as they promised to deliver the best experience which means in house teaching along with online so they plan on starting term as normal on monday. But lessons etc will be staggered to not overwhelm staff and we have an asymptomatic centre in the middle of uni for staff and students when they want a test. Another part of the uni is the hub of the community to get tests if they have symptoms and another part of the uni is the hub to get vaccinations. Another part is a massive health innovation centre that is helping into pandemic research. So actually im proud of working there. Im grateful and glad to work. But im scared too.

[arista]

Ireland has the South African Variant
43% effecting them.


SkyNewsHD

[Zizu]

I go back to working full time at uni tomorrow. I was hoping it would go into lockdown. I was hoping I would be going into lockdown. But nope they have told all the students to come back from around the country and from abroad and I will be spending all day every day cleaning after them. So when you all clap for heroes tomorrow. Give me a small clap too if you want!



Well .. good luck and hope you stay safe !!


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[Zizu]

Ireland has the South African Variant
43% effecting them.


SkyNewsHD



Omg .. now that is so scary .

I saw a SA news report yesterday where front line hospital doctors are treating positive cases of the SA variant who have already HAD the original Covid 19 virus 6 months ago ..


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[Nicky91]

Omg .. now that is so scary .

I saw a SA news report yesterday where front line hospital doctors are treating positive cases of the SA variant who have already HAD the original Covid 19 virus 6 months ago ..


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that is awful :(


but have you guys also read this article already from end of december about Kenya also having a new strain?

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-mulls-suspending-flights-over-new-virus-strain-3242768

[Nicky91]

also those who got the SA strain after original covid, is just catching covid for second time, only difference is this one due to being far more contagious you can catch it easier

idk if symptoms are different, since original covid can also be quite painful

[Zizu]

that is awful :(





but have you guys also read this article already from end of december about Kenya also having a new strain?



https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-mulls-suspending-flights-over-new-virus-strain-3242768



I think ( and hope) that that article is referring to our “uk” strain not a new one ..


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[Beso]

The south africa variant isnt more contagious than the new uk variant..

Its sneekier though.

[Nicky91]

I think ( and hope) that that article is referring to our “uk” strain not a new one ..


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UK Strain or SA strain not much difference i think, very worrying, i mean both of those have more or less same amount of percentage more dangerous, more contagious than the original covid

[Beso]

There is also thousands of variants of the original covid strain out there...one hope we can cling to is the fact that when viruses mutate they can also make themselves less harmful and in some cases, can also wipe themselves out.

[Zizu]

also those who got the SA strain after original covid, is just catching covid for second time, only difference is this one due to being far more contagious you can catch it easier

idk if symptoms are different, since original covid can also be quite painful



To be fair it’s still early days as regards the SA variant but it is thought to be rather different to all the previous variants/strains and may be somewhat resistant to the vaccines we already have so they will have to ‘tweak’ the new vaccines..

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Some UK scientists worried vaccines may not work on SA coronavirus variant

Scientists say the SA variant is different from others circulating in the UK because it has multiple mutations in the important ‘spike’ protein

in National by Kate Holton and Guy Faulconbridge

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[Zizu]

UK Strain or SA strain not much difference i think, very worrying, i mean both of those have more or less same amount of percentage more dangerous, more contagious than the original covid



Sadly there ‘appears’ to be a big difference to the SA one and ALL the others .. that’s why the politicians and medical people are having kittens ..

[Zizu]

The south africa variant isnt more contagious than the new uk variant..

Its sneekier though.


Well they did say it was 70% more effective at latching onto our cells but I saw something today suggesting it was ‘just’ 50% more efficient .


It seems to be ‘attacking’ or ‘attaching’ itself in a very different way .. . attacking a different protein or something ..

Very concerning


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Some UK scientists worried vaccines may not work on SA coronavirus variant

Scientists say the SA variant is different from others circulating in the UK because it has multiple mutations in the important ‘spike’ protein

in National by Kate Holton and Guy Faulconbridge

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[Zizu]

The south africa variant isnt more contagious than the new uk variant..

Its sneekier though.



Although
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Some UK scientists worried vaccines may not work on SA coronavirus variant

Scientists say the SA variant is different from others circulating in the UK because it has multiple mutations in the important ‘spike’ protein

in National by Kate Holton and Guy Faulconbridge


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[arista]

The south africa variant isnt more contagious than the new uk variant..

Its sneekier though.




You are Wrong
it transfers with just a little bit

[Zizu]

62,322 Have got Covid-19


1,041 have Died


Patients in hospital
Latest available
30,451

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,645

77,346 Total Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



So the DAILY infection rates are increasing by 5% each day !!




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[Ammi]

I go back to working full time at uni tomorrow. I was hoping it would go into lockdown. I was hoping I would be going into lockdown. But nope they have told all the students to come back from around the country and from abroad and I will be spending all day every day cleaning after them. So when you all clap for heroes tomorrow. Give me a small clap too if you want!

...:hug:..

[Beso]

You are Wrong
it transfers with just a little bit


From bloomberg


To say the South African strain is more problematic than the U.K. variant is “politics rather than science” at this point, said Richard Lessells, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of KwaZulu-Natal. Researchers must first do the experiments necessary to understand the new variants, he said. So far, officials have provided little evidence to support the idea that the South African strain is more problematic than the new one first identified in the U.K., where cases are also surging.

[Ammi]

Yeah so did I but we have had a letter sent out that as they promised to deliver the best experience which means in house teaching along with online so they plan on starting term as normal on monday. But lessons etc will be staggered to not overwhelm staff and we have an asymptomatic centre in the middle of uni for staff and students when they want a test. Another part of the uni is the hub of the community to get tests if they have symptoms and another part of the uni is the hub to get vaccinations. Another part is a massive health innovation centre that is helping into pandemic research. So actually im proud of working there. Im grateful and glad to work. But im scared too.

...yeah, I understand it feels scary as well, Jake...but as well as all of the precautions taken for safety, I imagine it’ll be somewhere that you’re going to be really well informed as well from more scientific sources, rather than media, which is a great thing...

[arista]

"Richard Lessells, an infectious-disease specialist
at the University of KwaZulu-Natal."


Yes of course, but our UK team
do not agree with him.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/23/south-african-covid-19-variant-may-be-more-effective-at-spreading

[Zizu]

From bloomberg





To say the South African strain is more problematic than the U.K. variant is “politics rather than science” at this point, said Richard Lessells, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of KwaZulu-Natal. Researchers must first do the experiments necessary to understand the new variants, he said. So far, officials have provided little evidence to support the idea that the South African strain is more problematic than the new one first identified in the U.K., where cases are also surging.



Well that is somewhat reassuring ALTHOUGH it’s getting to the stage now that I don’t know who or what to believe ..

I know my stress level is through the roof at the moment and I don’t even return to work ( school ) until tomorrow morning ..




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[Vanessa]

I go back to working full time at uni tomorrow. I was hoping it would go into lockdown. I was hoping I would be going into lockdown. But nope they have told all the students to come back from around the country and from abroad and I will be spending all day every day cleaning after them. So when you all clap for heroes tomorrow. Give me a small clap too if you want!
I'm going back to work on Friday.
Be careful :hug:

[bots]

our own medical experts have said that there is no evidence yet to suggest that the SA variant is more infectious than the original strain. It may be that it is, but like i've said before, it would need to be more infectious than the uk variant by an order of magnitude for it to be able to take hold in the uk in any meaningful way

[Zizu]

our own medical experts have said that there is no evidence yet to suggest that the SA variant is more infectious than the original strain. It may be that it is, but like i've said before, it would need to be more infectious than the uk variant by an order of magnitude for it to be able to take hold in the uk in any meaningful way



Thoughts on this ..

Ireland has the South African Variant
43% effecting them.


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[bots]

Thoughts on this ..









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well just on the 43% alone, the uk variant has swamped the uk

[Zizu]

well just on the 43% alone, the uk variant has swamped the uk



We were only alerted about the SA variant’s existence.. was it last Friday so 43% after an extremely short period seems ridiculously fast ??


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[bots]

We were only alerted about the SA variant’s existence.. was it last Friday so 43% after an extremely short period seems ridiculously fast ??


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ireland does not do genome tracking, so take all that you read with a giant pinch of salt

[Zizu]

ireland does not do genome tracking, so take all that you read with a giant pinch of salt



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[Zizu]

This is going to be very interesting ..

I heard him live today telling parents to ring the school and then OFFSTED if they weren’t satisfied with the online teaching their kids were receiving
!!


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Report schools to Ofsted if remote lessons are poor, Gavin Williamson tells parents

by Nicola Woolcock, Education Editor
Wednesday January 06 2021, 5.00pm, The Times


Gavin Williamson has provoked anger among head teachers by suggesting that parents should report schools to Ofsted if they felt that the online learning provision was not good enough.

The education secretary told the House of Commons that all schools in England must give children high-quality remote teaching. If parents are unhappy they should complain to the head teacher and ultimately to the watchdog.


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[Zizu]

From bloomberg





To say the South African strain is more problematic than the U.K. variant is “politics rather than science” at this point, said Richard Lessells, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of KwaZulu-Natal. Researchers must first do the experiments necessary to understand the new variants, he said. So far, officials have provided little evidence to support the idea that the South African strain is more problematic than the new one first identified in the U.K., where cases are also surging.



Although ...

Excuse copy and paste .


Britain is putting vulnerable people at risk from mutant variants of the coronavirus by delaying the second dose of the vaccine, according to South Africa's top adviser on immunisations.
South Africa is suffering a sharp spike in cases, driven by a new variant that may reduce the effectiveness of vaccines.
That threat has been underlined by new lab tests showing that antibodies may be at least 10 times less effective against the new variant, which is separate to the mutation that was originally identified in England.

Professor Barry Schoub, chair of the South African government's vaccine advisory committee, told Sky News that border controls won't stop the virus and that giving just one dose would reduce protection in the most vulnerable.

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: lockdown very likely to be extended by 2 weeks

[arista]

Netherlands: lockdown very likely to be extended by 2 weeks



Yes makes sense

[Nicky91]

Yes makes sense

yes especially when the UK variant at primary schools over here

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/lockdown-may-be-extended-as-british-variant-takes-hold-at-a-primary-school/


Meanwhile, some 75 positive coronavirus cases have been traced to an outbreak at a primary school in Bergschenhoek on the outskirts of Rotterdam, and 30 of them at least are the more infectious British variant of the virus. Over 750 parents, pupils and teachers at the Willibrord primary school, which is a Catholic faith school, have been tested after the first cases of coronavirus involving the British variant were identified at the school last month. Three of those found to have the British variant are teachers at another school which shares facilities with the Willibrord. The local health board is now expanding its investigation, the AD said.
.

[arista]

5PM Johnson Prime Minister is Live, again.

Vaccine update.

[arista]

[13:17
USA suffers highest daily death toll
of the pandemic - of any country
The US daily coronavirus death toll
was the highest recorded by any country
over the course of the pandemic yesterday.

Johns Hopkins data shows the figure
was 3,865 - meaning more than 30,000 people have
died since Christmas Eve.]


SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

[13:17
USA suffers highest daily death toll
of the pandemic - of any country
The US daily coronavirus death toll
was the highest recorded by any country
over the course of the pandemic yesterday.

Johns Hopkins data shows the figure
was 3,865 - meaning more than 30,000 people have
died since Christmas Eve.]


SkyNewsHD

wow, yesterday wont help their numbers

[Cherie]

at least the red tops are getting behind the vaccination campaign

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

9.737 new cases (2.609 more than yesterday)

2.764 total in Hospital (71 less than yesterday)

712 on the ICU (8 more than yesterday)

85 new deaths (90 less than yesterday 175)


emergency service, ICU workers are getting vaccinated as of next week for first time

yesterday first care workers got the vaccine

according to LNAZ, 6.000 care workers are vaccinated now, until begin next week that number must rise to 40.000, in 3 weeks from now they will get their second vaccine jab

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/2eKamertweets/status/1347094405023465472


The House of Representatives is today dealing with the emergency law which sets rules on negative #coronatest for travellers from high-risk areas.
.

Netherlands: basically what is happening today in parliament, also something important, as for high-risk covid hotspot areas

[Cherie]

5PM Johnson Prime Minister is Live, again.

Vaccine update.

Looks like the army will be helping, he has a army guy with him

[Vanessa]

They need to make sure that anyone coming in the UK tests negative.
Just like many other countries are doing.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210107/germany-extends-entry-travel-on-uk-and-south-african-arrivals-until-january-20th

Germany extends travel ban on UK and South Africa until January 20th

[DouglasS]

Switching on Bojo at 5pm everyday is such a Morale booster :clap1:

I feel like that is how everyone felt when listening to the legendary Churchill during the war times. I wonder if Bojo will go down in history as the second greatest PM once COVID is over. His vaccination rollout has been amazingly crafted and were the fastest in Europe, funny how no one ever mentions that or how well he’s done here.

[user104658]

Switching on Bojo at 5pm everyday is such a Morale booster :clap1:

I feel like that is how everyone felt when listening to the legendary Churchill during the war times. I wonder if Bojo will go down in history as the second greatest PM once COVID is over. His vaccination rollout has been amazingly crafted and were the fastest in Europe, funny how no one ever mentions that or how well he’s done here.

Lol

[arista]

From Monday
National cheap Coach Journeys will halt.

Some from Scotland to London
will still run
(A big help for MPs that are to return to Parliament, next monday)


Ref: Times Radio DAB.

How Great they (Times Radio) had Jimi Hendrix on Solo Guitar
1969/1970 New years eve. (playing Star Spangled Banner)
As they did a USA News Report.

[arista]

Looks like the army will be helping, he has a army guy with him


Yes NHS Sir Simon Stevens and the Army Brigadier Phil Prosser.
They have done that before

[Vanessa]

Maybe the army can help with the vaccinations?

[Cherie]

Maybe the army can help with the vaccinations?

That’s what I meant Ness

[Vanessa]

Cases have gone down, so the lockdown is working.
But we still have a long way to go.

[arista]

52,618 have caught Covid-19

1,162 have Died


Patients in hospital
Latest available
30,370

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,821


78,508 Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Johnson is Live

[arista]

Cases have gone down, so the lockdown is working.
But we still have a long way to go.


But Deaths Well High

[arista]

Only 200 Community Pharmacies
will be doing the OxfordAstra. Vaccine

[Vanessa]

But Deaths Well High

Yes. Hopefully things will get better soon.

[arista]

[17:23
Now we move on to statements from the public

Judith from Leeds ask how nurseries and other early years education settings can be safe if schools are a vector of transmission for the virus?

The PM insists "schools are safe" and so are "all places of education".
We have to look at the overall budget of risk and spread that schools
can be involved in - but there are important reasons for
keeping nurseries going to help key workers, Mr Johnson explains.]

[Cherie]

2 new drugs have passed clinical trials, cuts deaths by 25%

[arista]

1347107177681612802

[arista]

Sir Simon Stevens
got Angry with the Ch4HDnews Lady
how someone walked into to a hospital late night
to take a photo. (Empty Corridor)
Giving False info.

[arista]

Johnson Concluded at 5:43PM

[Cherie]

Grow up Bojo's advice to covid deniers

[Alf]

Nazi Scotland

Well, you did vote the National Socialist party into power, so it's to be expected.

It's not like we haven't seen it before under the SNP, I remember Count Dankula being sentenced for comedy.


1347246304401960961

[Cherie]

Nazi Scotland

Well, you did vote the National Socialist party into power, so it's to be expected.

It's not like we haven't seen it before under the SNP, I remember Count Dankula being sentenced for comedy.


1347246304401960961

what on earth :umm2:

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/DE4D/production/_116390965_thetimes.jpg

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/16AED/production/_116390929_dailyexpress.jpg

[bots]

The spread of Covid in London is "out of control" according to Sadiq Khan, who has declared a "major incident"

It comes as the coronavirus infection rate in London has exceeded 1,000 per 100,000 people.

Major incidents have previously been called for the Grenfell Tower fire in June 2017 and the terror attacks at Westminster Bridge and London Bridge.

Currently, there are more than 7,000 people in hospital with Covid-19, the mayor said.

This is a 35% increase compared to the previous peak of the pandemic, Mr Khan added.

[arista]

[Hunt for fake vaccine fraudster
who injected woman, 92, in Surbiton
Getting £160 for giving her a fake injection]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55577426

[Nicky91]

https://images4.persgroep.net/rcs/tX_okju__Zis-4h9Cc3QxewFHgg/diocontent/39132880/_fitwidth/980?appId=8ef24fa41e4bddfa7db0f5082d5ff1bf&quality=0.6

Netherlands: Virologist Ab Osterhaus wants us to extend lockdown, and consider to go into a even stricter lockdown, almost same measures Germany has taken with regional travel bans and curfews

[arista]

The spread of Covid in London is "out of control" according to Sadiq Khan, who has declared a "major incident"

It comes as the coronavirus infection rate in London has exceeded 1,000 per 100,000 people.

Major incidents have previously been called for the Grenfell Tower fire in June 2017 and the terror attacks at Westminster Bridge and London Bridge.

Currently, there are more than 7,000 people in hospital with Covid-19, the mayor said.

This is a 35% increase compared to the previous peak of the pandemic, Mr Khan added.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-major-incident-declared-in-london-due-to-hospital-pressure-12182329


The Mayor Khan is Live on LBC.

[arista]

Mayor Khan on SkyNewsHD now
"The virus is out of control"


8,000 calls a day



He says due to the New South African Stain
younger people are on ventilators

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/08/13/article-9126255-37765228-424_964x543.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9126255/Mayor-Sadiq-Khan-declares-major-incident-London.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/08/13/37764214-9126255-image-a-40_1610113258806.jpg

[Nicky91]

staff at the factory in Belgium of Pfizer/BioNTech are also receiving the vaccine themselves for first time next week

to secure the production of the vaccine

[Cherie]

I saw a woman interviewed on the London news last night whose Mom had passed away, she 'only went to a wedding' she said, I mean there is just no educating some of these people :facepalm:

[hijaxers]

I saw a woman interviewed on the London news last night whose Mom had passed away, she 'only went to a wedding' she said, I mean there is just no educating some of these people :facepalm:

Londoners should not be surprised by this ~ as they had lots of shopping to do wearing no masks and crowding the streets .

[AnnieK]

I saw a woman interviewed on the London news last night whose Mom had passed away, she 'only went to a wedding' she said, I mean there is just no educating some of these people :facepalm:

I saw that too....I could understand if she'd "only" gone to a supermarket or doctors appointment but a wedding??

One of my work colleagues' friends passed away last week.....she was only 50, no underlying conditions and caught it from a friend who she saw for 15 minutes just before christmas. She has left an 11 year old son behind :sad:

[hijaxers]

I saw that too....I could understand if she'd "only" gone to a supermarket or doctors appointment but a wedding??

One of my work colleagues' friends passed away last week.....she was only 50, no underlying conditions and caught it from a friend who she saw for 15 minutes just before christmas. She has left an 11 year old son behind :sad:

OMG Annie , thats so awful and there are gonna be so many with tragic stories like this , we're all gonna lose someone before this is over.

[arista]

68,053 have caught Covid-19


1,325 Have Died today


Patients in hospital
Latest available
31,624

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,929


79,833 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

68,053 have caught Covid-19


1,325 Have Died today


Patients in hospital
Latest available
31,624

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,929


this is the christmas period mixing coming through

[AnnieK]

68,053 have caught Covid-19


1,325 Have Died today


Patients in hospital
Latest available
31,624

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
2,929


79,833 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Dear God....we will be a 2k deaths soon

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/08/15/37768136-0-image-m-1_1610120910359.jpg

[Family-of-four in Sydney test positive to a
VERY contagious strain of Covid from South Africa - amid
warnings UK variant that plunged
Queensland into lockdown
could breakout of Brisbane and spread]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9126369/Sydney-family-four-test-positive-contagious-strain-covid-South-Africa.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/08/16/article-9122711-37770724-991_964x543.jpg


Some Good News
BT will give Children Free internet for learning.

[Zizu]

this is the christmas period mixing coming through



Just wait two weeks .. schools returning with HUGE numbers attending will soon have effect .. the government have changed the rules for what’s classed as vulnerable and also key worker kids

Many schools are running at 50% capacity !!




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[user104658]

Just wait two weeks .. schools returning with HUGE numbers attending will soon have effect .. the government have changed the rules for what’s classed as vulnerable and also key worker kids

Many schools are running at 50% capacity !!




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIt's the opposite up here - they've changed from "all vulnerable and keyworkers kids" to "by application and assessed on individual need only".

We got a text message to say that our youngest has been assessed as not being in need of a place despite being on the vulnerable list (in special education) and the child of a keyworker. We weren't sending her anyway but now officially don't have the choice.

Some of the parents are... displeased, to say the least.

[Niamh.]

How is she dealing with it all now TS, you were saying she was finding the break to her routine tough way back during the first Lockdown (iirc)

[Zizu]

It's the opposite up here - they've changed from "all vulnerable and keyworkers kids" to "by application and assessed on individual need only".

We got a text message to say that our youngest has been assessed as not being in need of a place despite being on the vulnerable list (in special education) and the child of a keyworker. We weren't sending her anyway but now officially don't have the choice.

Some of the parents are... displeased, to say the least.


If parents say they can’t access the online lessons... no laptop, no internet then they are being a considered..

Also pupils with just ONE key worker parent rather than TWO as in the first lockdown .. we are being “encouraged” to contact pupils not accessing online learning and it sounds as though they too will be accepted..

I know Unison are calling for a classroom limit of 50% or Max of 15 per class !!


Apologies for any errors in this post ... I’m off to bed with a banging migraine :(

Hopefully be back tomorrow..


Incidentally last lockdown we had between 18 and 25 pupils in each day ..

This time we are already at 120 and increasing daily ..



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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: one person with south african strain, middle/west brabant

[Nicky91]

:worry: now i'm scared this dangerous one is in my province

[user104658]

How is she dealing with it all now TS, you were saying she was finding the break to her routine tough way back during the first Lockdown (iirc)It's not so much the break in routine as the unpredictability; back and forward constant changes with no consistency. She's fine once she's been back in school for a bit, and fine once she's used to the routine at home, which is why we refused to send her back this week. Which is just as well - as she would have been there for literally two days and then told to stay home again for 4+ weeks :facepalm:.

[Niamh.]

It's not so much the break in routine as the unpredictability; back and forward constant changes with no consistency. She's fine once she's been back in school for a bit, and fine once she's used to the routine at home, which is why we refused to send her back this week. Which is just as well - as she would have been there for literally two days and then told to stay home again for 4+ weeks :facepalm:.Oh well that's good, that she settles into it.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErOUJB8WMAAaEeA?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPc1RXUUAAJaQp?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPaulmWMAA8CcI?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPc1RVUYAgCbvN?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPc1RXUcAAIPC6?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPiZTiVQAEpoZS?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPiZTVVkAAIu7G?format=jpg&name=small

[hijaxers]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPc1RVUYAgCbvN?format=jpg&name=small

Charming when his own father is a massive rule breaker.

[Mystic Mock]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/WtdltHvXD2J1Emx4r8lj-Q/https/media.fyre.co/3yquw0e3TJa8H7LmuHGg_0501%20Sun.JPG

We're all pregnant?:shocked:

[arista]

Covid: Fines reviewed after women 'surrounded by police'

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/0436/production/_116387010_walk1.jpg


[A police force that was criticised for
its "intimidating" approach to two walkers
is to review its lockdown fines policy.
Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore said they were
surrounded by police after driving five miles
from their home for a walk
on Wednesday, and fined £200 each.
Derbyshire Police initially said driving
to exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown.
But it now says new national guidelines
mean it will review its position.

In a statement, the force said all of
its fixed penalties issued during
the new national lockdown will be reviewed.]




["I said we had come in separate cars,
even parked two spaces away and
even brought our own drinks with us.
He said 'You can't do that as it's classed as a picnic'."
Ms Allen said the experience was "very intimidating"
and had left her feeling scared of police in general.]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55594244

[Cherie]

3 cases of the SA virus have been identified in the Republic by genomic sequencing

[arista]

3 cases of the SA virus have been identified in the Republic by genomic sequencing

Yes Good they are tracking it.
The South African Variant spreads faster.

[arista]

1347299757065166848

[arista]

1347832483560255494

[Vanessa]

I think all frontline hospital staff should be vaccinated first.
They're in closed contact with the virus everyday.

[Nicky91]

I think all frontline hospital staff should be vaccinated first.
They're in closed contact with the virus everyday.

+1

this is main reason why that is being done in my country

[Zizu]

I think all frontline hospital staff should be vaccinated first.
They're in closed contact with the virus everyday.



I always thought that was THE most obvious group to be honest .. seems ridiculous how many NHS doctors/nurses/staff have died .... there’s no point having vaccines and lockdowns if there see there aren’t enough trained people to care for us


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[smudgie]

1347299757065166848

Probably because he is 89 years old.:shrug:

[Cherie]

Priority Risk group
1 Residents in a care home for older adults and staff working in care homes for older adults
2 All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3 All those 75 years of age and over
4 All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals (not including pregnant women and those under 16 years of age)
5 All those 65 years of age and over
6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group (see below)
7 All those 60 years of age and over
8 All those 55 years of age and over
9 All those 50 years of age and over
10 Rest of the population (to be determined)
Clinical conditions list:

a blood cancer (such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma)
diabetes
dementia
a heart problem
a chest complaint or breathing difficulties, including bronchitis, emphysema or severe asthma
a kidney disease
a liver disease
lowered immunity due to disease or treatment (such as HIV infection, steroid medication, chemotherapy or radiotherapy)
rheumatoid arthritis, lupus or psoriasis
have had an organ transplant
had a stroke or a transient ischaemic attack (TIA)
a neurological or muscle wasting condition
a severe or profound learning disability
a problem with your spleen, example sickle cell disease, or you have had your spleen removed
are seriously overweight (BMI of 40 and above)
are severely mentally ill

[Zizu]

Sky News has a specialist speaking .
Dr Zudin Puthucheary who is a an Intensive & Critical Care Consultant in England.

He paints a terrible picture sadly ..

Hospitals are ready to burst , all staff exhausted etc
We have more patients than we’ve ever had to deal with and less staff than ever to treat them .. plus a critical lack

More worryingly he said that 30% of people needing intensive care will die .. BUT the 70% of those that survive will be DISABLED for YEARS to come !

The virus does so much damage to your system but the main problem is that you will lose over 2kg of muscle mass each DAY !!! If you are in intensive care for two to three weeks you lose a frightening amount of muscle mass .


The staff are now having to make decisions.. who lives and who dies .

Watch out for him on Sky News throughout today .. he will be on a regular loop ..


He finished by saying he was SCARED and ANGRY at the public for not staying at home ..

The footfall is apparently double what it was in the first lockdown when things weren’t that desperate !


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErSgx4-XAAIXRMI?format=jpg&name=small

[Vanessa]

Priority Risk group
1 Residents in a care home for older adults and staff working in care homes for older adults
2 All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3 All those 75 years of age and over
4 All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals (not including pregnant women and those under 16 years of age)
5 All those 65 years of age and over
6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group (see below)
7 All those 60 years of age and over
8 All those 55 years of age and over
9 All those 50 years of age and over
10 Rest of the population (to be determined)
Clinical conditions list:

a blood cancer (such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma)
diabetes
dementia
a heart problem
a chest complaint or breathing difficulties, including bronchitis, emphysema or severe asthma
a kidney disease
a liver disease
lowered immunity due to disease or treatment (such as HIV infection, steroid medication, chemotherapy or radiotherapy)
rheumatoid arthritis, lupus or psoriasis
have had an organ transplant
had a stroke or a transient ischaemic attack (TIA)
a neurological or muscle wasting condition
a severe or profound learning disability
a problem with your spleen, example sickle cell disease, or you have had your spleen removed
are seriously overweight (BMI of 40 and above)
are severely mentally ill
I'm in the at risk group.
I have kidney disease.

[Cherie]

I'm in the at risk group.
I have kidney disease.

The target for you is you will be offered by md Feb Ness

Hope the manage it :fc:

[AnnieK]

The target for you is you will be offered by md Feb Ness

Hope the manage it :fc:

My Dad had an email from Matt Hancock saying he would have his appointment by mid feb too :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: fewer positive coronavirus tests, and hospital admissions fall again

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/fewer-positive-coronavirus-tests-and-hospital-admissions-fall-again/

Lockdown

Virologist Ab Osterhaus told NPO radio on Friday that the cabinet must now extend the current lockdown. ‘Relaxing it is not on the cards,’ Osterhaus said. Tougher measures, such as a curfew as in Germany, would be an option, he said.

Sources told NOS earlier this week that schools, restaurants, bars and shops were likely to remain closed until the end of January and more places could be shut in an attempt to bring the numbers down.

The cabinet is due to make a decision next Tuesday after consulting the Outbreak Management Team.

[Zizu]

I'm in the at risk group.

I have kidney disease.



Wow you will have to be extremely careful then ...


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[Cherie]

My Dad had an email from Matt Hancock saying he would have his appointment by mid feb too :laugh:

Good old Matt :laugh:

[AnnieK]

The Queen and Prince Philip have had their vaccines today

[arista]

Today 59,937 have caught Covid-19


1,035 have died

Patients in hospital
Latest available
32,294


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,098



80,868 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

The Queen and Prince Philip have had their vaccines today



[A royal source confirmed the injections were
administered by a royal household doctor at Windsor Castle.
The Queen, 94, and Philip, 99, have been spending
the lockdown in England sheltering
there after deciding to have a quiet Christmas
at their Berkshire residence,
forgoing the traditional royal family
gathering at Sandringham.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-queen-and-duke-of-edinburgh-receive-first-doses-of-their-coronavirus-vaccinations-12183316



Yes that's fair enough.

[bots]

i think young Philip is using his status to jump the queue, after all, he is only 99

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/09/11/37795692-9128929-image-a-93_1610190862701.jpg
[Three police officers wearing face masks
question a man sitting on a bench
in St James's Park in central London this morning]

[Nicky91]

Portugal is confirmed to be going into Lockdown 2.0

[user104658]

The virus does so much damage to your system but the main problem is that you will lose over 2kg of muscle mass each DAY !!! If you are in intensive care for two to three weeks you lose a frightening amount of muscle mass .


I'm certain you must have misunderstood these numbers Zizu. A 13st relatively fit male only has about 33kg muscle mass to start with, and so by your figures if they were in ICU for 4 weeks they would become a black hole.

To add to that, most people in ICU are elderly and thus have significantly less than 33kg to start with.

[bots]

Coronavirus: Company's apology after £5,000 vaccine offer


A property investment company has offered GP surgeries £5,000 for unused coronavirus vaccine doses.

The Hacking Trust's medical division approached surgeries in Bristol and Worthing offering to pay the money to charity "or the staff member directly".

Robyn Clark, from the Institute of General Practice Management, said it was "just appalling".

The company, based in London, has apologised, saying its "good intentions" were "misinterpreted".

NHS England said people "will rightly take a dim view of anyone who tries to jump the queue".

"The NHS is free at the point of access for everyone who needs it," said Ms Clark.

"What we felt this company was trying to do was jump the queue."

The Bristol-based manager said she worried it could "create more health inequality".

She said: "The JCVI [Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation] is trying to prioritise the vaccine based on the vulnerability to Covid."

The e-mail sent to the GP surgery in Worthing said The Hacking Trust was aware that "many appointments" for vaccinations are not kept, and that it would be interested in being informed of "any no-shows".

A donation of £5,000 would be paid to a staff member or given to charity for each dose it could secure, the e-mail said.

In a statement, the Battersea-based company said it "offered charitable donations to staff or surgeries in this difficult time for any vaccines which were unused".

It added: "We had heard that some vaccines were being unused due to missed appointments. We would apologise that our good intentions have been misinterpreted."

NHS England said it knew "these particular emails were received across the country".

Dr Nikki Kanani, GP and NHS medical director for primary care, said hundreds of NHS teams across the country were "working hard to deliver vaccines quickly to those who would benefit most".

"NHS staff will never ask for, or accept, cash for vaccines," she said.

The Department of Health and Social Care said vaccinations were available from the NHS "for free" and "cannot be sold privately in the UK".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55593210

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1347958974746865666

New York update today's numbers over there

[Zizu]

I'm certain you must have misunderstood these numbers Zizu. A 13st relatively fit male only has about 33kg muscle mass to start with, and so by your figures if they were in ICU for 4 weeks they would become a black hole.

To add to that, most people in ICU are elderly and thus have significantly less than 33kg to start with.



That’s what he said though .. maybe he meant 2kg per week .. Even if one of us is wrong the fact is they’re losing massive amounts of muscle mass which is indeed debilitating..


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[Zizu]

Coronavirus: Company's apology after £5,000 vaccine offer





A property investment company has offered GP surgeries £5,000 for unused coronavirus vaccine doses.



The Hacking Trust's medical division approached surgeries in Bristol and Worthing offering to pay the money to charity "or the staff member directly".



Robyn Clark, from the Institute of General Practice Management, said it was "just appalling".



The company, based in London, has apologised, saying its "good intentions" were "misinterpreted".



NHS England said people "will rightly take a dim view of anyone who tries to jump the queue".



"The NHS is free at the point of access for everyone who needs it," said Ms Clark.



"What we felt this company was trying to do was jump the queue."



The Bristol-based manager said she worried it could "create more health inequality".



She said: "The JCVI [Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation] is trying to prioritise the vaccine based on the vulnerability to Covid."



The e-mail sent to the GP surgery in Worthing said The Hacking Trust was aware that "many appointments" for vaccinations are not kept, and that it would be interested in being informed of "any no-shows".



A donation of £5,000 would be paid to a staff member or given to charity for each dose it could secure, the e-mail said.



In a statement, the Battersea-based company said it "offered charitable donations to staff or surgeries in this difficult time for any vaccines which were unused".



It added: "We had heard that some vaccines were being unused due to missed appointments. We would apologise that our good intentions have been misinterpreted."



NHS England said it knew "these particular emails were received across the country".



Dr Nikki Kanani, GP and NHS medical director for primary care, said hundreds of NHS teams across the country were "working hard to deliver vaccines quickly to those who would benefit most".



"NHS staff will never ask for, or accept, cash for vaccines," she said.



The Department of Health and Social Care said vaccinations were available from the NHS "for free" and "cannot be sold privately in the UK".



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55593210



That property company should be prosecuted.. if nothing else but for offering to pay the money directly to the staff member !!

That has to come under bribery and corruption surely ??

Imagine how many other rules and regulations that property company could be breaking in their business .


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[bots]

they were obviously hoping to exploit greed of people and got caught

[Zizu]

The Queen and Prince Philip have had their vaccines today



Do we know WHICH vaccine they had !!??


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[Zizu]

....

[AnnieK]

Do we know WHICH vaccine they had !!??


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No, the Palace did not release that info. My money would be on the more effective, more expensive Pfizer one though :laugh:

[Zizu]

Sedated coronavirus patients have suffered delusions and hallucinations, and the mental and physical trauma is so devastating some "say they would rather have died ", says London consultant Dr Zudin Puthucheary


Critically ill patients in comas of a working age lose muscle before fat, with around 2-3% of muscle mass typically wasting away a day, which for a 90kg patient would mean a loss of 1-2kg a day.

Dr Puthucheary, an Intensive Care Society national rehabilitation lead, told Mirror Online: "Some people will be able to say in two to three years time that they are happy to be alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-patients-wake-comas-tell-22307375.amp

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember that this government made sure that Rupert Murdoch received this before the royals. I'm no royalist, but...

[user104658]

Sedated coronavirus patients have suffered delusions and hallucinations, and the mental and physical trauma is so devastating some "say they would rather have died ", says London consultant Dr Zudin Puthucheary


Critically ill patients in comas of a working age lose muscle before fat, with around 2-3% of muscle mass typically wasting away a day, which for a 90kg patient would mean a loss of 1-2kg a day.

Dr Puthucheary, an Intensive Care Society national rehabilitation lead, told Mirror Online: "Some people will be able to say in two to three years time that they are happy to be alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-patients-wake-comas-tell-22307375.amp

90kg is 14st, which would be very heavy for an elderly person, so I would imagine less than 1kg/day for the vast majority, definitely not 2+kg a day. Also, all of this is standard for any coma/ICU patient and isn't specific to Covid... It's just what happens when you don't move for days/weeks.

Most people coming out of a coma (medically induced or otherwise) will need some physio rehab but plenty of people exit ICU stays needing minimal physiotherapy.

This rhetoric seems extreme and designed to alarm. I have no idea why any medic would be spreading this "information"... Probably a misguided attempt to scare people into lockdown compliance I would guess.

[user104658]

Remember that this government made sure that Rupert Murdoch received this before the royals. I'm no royalist, but...Tbf my wife also got it before the royals, which seems right to me.

[reece(:]

Covid: Fines reviewed after women 'surrounded by police'

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/0436/production/_116387010_walk1.jpg


[A police force that was criticised for
its "intimidating" approach to two walkers
is to review its lockdown fines policy.
Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore said they were
surrounded by police after driving five miles
from their home for a walk
on Wednesday, and fined £200 each.
Derbyshire Police initially said driving
to exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown.
But it now says new national guidelines
mean it will review its position.

In a statement, the force said all of
its fixed penalties issued during
the new national lockdown will be reviewed.]




["I said we had come in separate cars,
even parked two spaces away and
even brought our own drinks with us.
He said 'You can't do that as it's classed as a picnic'."
Ms Allen said the experience was "very intimidating"
and had left her feeling scared of police in general.]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55594244

I wanna know who took that photo, serving a setup. :skull:

[Vanessa]

Sedated coronavirus patients have suffered delusions and hallucinations, and the mental and physical trauma is so devastating some "say they would rather have died ", says London consultant Dr Zudin Puthucheary


Critically ill patients in comas of a working age lose muscle before fat, with around 2-3% of muscle mass typically wasting away a day, which for a 90kg patient would mean a loss of 1-2kg a day.

Dr Puthucheary, an Intensive Care Society national rehabilitation lead, told Mirror Online: "Some people will be able to say in two to three years time that they are happy to be alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-patients-wake-comas-tell-22307375.amp
I also has hallucinations when I was sick back in march.
I often wonder if that was corona.

[Cherie]

The UK variant has been found in Spain in two people who have no connection with the UK

[Zizu]

The UK variant has been found in Spain in two people who have no connection with the UK



I’m don’t think it actually originated/mutated in the UK tbh ..

As from what I understand we were simply the first to identify it due to the extensive testing we’ve been doing in this country ( and go public with it ) .

It’s possibly been spreading all around the world for some time ..


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[hijaxers]

The UK variant has been found in Spain in two people who have no connection with the UK

Its not really the UK variant ~ its just that it was discovered here , so they don't really need any connection to the UK to have the mutation.

[Vanessa]

I can't believe there are still people who think the virus is not real. :skull:

[Zizu]

I can't believe there are still people who think the virus is not real. :skull:



I keep hearing that if you’re careful .. distance yourself, wash your hands regularly and don’t touch your face you’ll be fine ...

So are 60,000 people a DAY suddenly not doing the above ??


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[Zizu]

Sky News & The Observer & The Guardian


UK

46,000 hospital staff currently off sick with Covid !!



British Medical Association, Chaand Nagpaul, revealed the huge number of staff struck down with the virus. “There are over 46,000 hospital staff off sick with Covid-19,” he wrote, “heaping additional pressure on an already overstretched workforce struggling to manage even current critical care demand.”


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[Cherie]

I’m don’t think it actually originated/mutated in the UK tbh ..

As from what I understand we were simply the first to identify it due to the extensive testing we’ve been doing in this country ( and go public with it ) .

It’s possibly been spreading all around the world for some time ..


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Its not really the UK variant ~ its just that it was discovered here , so they don't really need any connection to the UK to have the mutation.

Yes I know, but it’s called the UK variant, :laugh: this appears to be the first time it has been identified without an identified UK source of infection


So not long for the SA variant to surface in the same way

[Cherie]

I keep hearing that if you’re careful .. distance yourself, wash your hands regularly and don’t touch your face you’ll be fine ...

So are 60,000 people a DAY suddenly not doing the above ??


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Pre Christmas/Christmas mixing when the virus was on holiday because it was more important to buy that secret Santa pressie for a fiver and play scrabble with extended family on Christmas day than look after health

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErUx9w8VgAAINU5?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErUx9w5VoAAH1w0?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErU4rOxVQAMeaWR?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErU4rNKVcAAsmRt?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErU4rPvVQAEOy1Z?format=jpg&name=small

[Lee.]

I’ve been right down in the dumps tonight after reading comments on social media by people who will not accept covid is real, nor abide by the rules...

(“**** the government, hospitals are empty, it’s a scamdemic, it’s the start of the great reset/new world order, all of Hollywood are in on it, I’m young and healthy, so **** the old or unhealthy, will I **** wear a mask”, blah blah ****ing blah)
This was the message Dave received from his sister, who’s a nurse, tonight.. I feel so bad for her and every single one of our healthcare workers tonight :sad:

https://i.ibb.co/zZWCbjw/916436-DE-5-A31-44-B9-A773-FAAEABE90-F95.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Zizu]

I’ve been right down in the dumps tonight after reading comments on social media by people who will not accept covid is real, nor abide by the rules...



(“**** the government, hospitals are empty, it’s a scamdemic, it’s the start of the great reset/new world order, all of Hollywood are in on it, I’m young and healthy, so **** the old or unhealthy, will I **** wear a mask”, blah blah ****ing blah)

This was the message Dave received from his sister, who’s a nurse, tonight.. I feel so bad for her and every single one of our healthcare workers tonight :sad:



https://i.ibb.co/zZWCbjw/916436-DE-5-A31-44-B9-A773-FAAEABE90-F95.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)



Sorry you’re feeling so down , it’s a tremendously worrying time - some cope better than others it seems .



Your image isn’t showing incidentally..


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[Lee.]

Sorry you’re feeling so down , it’s a tremendously worrying time - some cope better than others it seems .



Your image isn’t showing incidentally..


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Ach! The image is showing for me.. I don’t know what I’ve done wrong tbh.

Tbh I’m not awfully down about our situation.. I feel safe, I’ve got a roof over my head, food in the cupboard, and wine, bog roll and Netflix. We as a family have genuinely been through so much worse than being asked to stay cosy at home, but it hurts my soul a wee bit when I read ****e online as I said above.

Hope you’re safe, well and happy too 😊

[Vanessa]

Someone I work with thinks the virus is not real.
Let's see if he still thinks the same if he or someplace in his family gets sick :fist:

[Ammi]

...Lee...:hug:...it’s so heartbreaking to see how hopeless and broken some NHS workers are when they’ve worked so tirelessly throughout and yet the situation has still become what it is atm...it just feels so bleak...I’ve felt and said from the beginning that people aren’t all living the same virus, is the thing...it doesn’t help that we have a government that conflicts so much with its guidance either...

[Ammi]

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/26-5ff85ef8440ec__700.jpg

[arista]

Yes Good Example Ammi
Although L.Fox is Nov 2020.

To be fair we need to know today what his view is.

[arista]

Someone I work with thinks the virus is not real.
Let's see if he still thinks the same if he or someplace in his family gets sick :fist:


Not Real?,
I can not believe that.

Some will not change
that's the ptoblem.

[arista]

Covid: Fines reviewed after women 'surrounded by police'

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/0436/production/_116387010_walk1.jpg


[A police force that was criticised for
its "intimidating" approach to two walkers
is to review its lockdown fines policy.
Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore said they were
surrounded by police after driving five miles
from their home for a walk
on Wednesday, and fined £200 each.
Derbyshire Police initially said driving
to exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown.
But it now says new national guidelines
mean it will review its position.

In a statement, the force said all of
its fixed penalties issued during
the new national lockdown will be reviewed.]




["I said we had come in separate cars,
even parked two spaces away and
even brought our own drinks with us.
He said 'You can't do that as it's classed as a picnic'."
Ms Allen said the experience was "very intimidating"
and had left her feeling scared of police in general.]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55594244




On this Case the Heath Secretary M.Hancock
Live on Ridge (SkyNewsHD) backs the Police?

But these 2 women are away from people?

[bots]

those woman are trying to be difficult and are not complying with the spirit of the lockdown, This isn't something that people should be looking at how they can stretch guidelines like they are doing

[arista]

I wanna know who took that photo, serving a setup. :skull:


I assume a Newspaper
who asked them to do the same
to get a photo?


As this story is now Worldwide

[arista]

those woman are trying to be difficult and are not complying with the spirit of the lockdown


No they went out on a Walk
with no other people around.


Tell them off
But do not Fine them??????

[bots]

No they went out on a Walk
with no other people around.


Tell them off
But do not Fine them??????

you are missing the point arista, they wanted to stretch the guidelines. These type of stories are not helpful. We are trying to save ****ing lives

[arista]

you are missing the point arista, they wanted to stretch the guidelines. These type of stories are bot helpful. We are trying to save ****ing lives



I do not think
they want to stretch guidelines,
Driving there in both cars
is not stretching guidelines for a walk



No one Else there
What lives are you on about?

[MTVN]

Wasn't it also Derbyshire police who were going too far in the first lockdown releasing drone footage of people on walks because they had driven there etc

I fail to see what those two women did wrong at all

[Cherie]

On this Case the Heath Secretary M.Hancock
Live on Ridge (SkyNewsHD) backs the Police?

But these 2 women are away from people?

Well they interacted somewhere to get their coffees, think there is more to this than meets the eye

[Cherie]

I’ve been right down in the dumps tonight after reading comments on social media by people who will not accept covid is real, nor abide by the rules...

(“**** the government, hospitals are empty, it’s a scamdemic, it’s the start of the great reset/new world order, all of Hollywood are in on it, I’m young and healthy, so **** the old or unhealthy, will I **** wear a mask”, blah blah ****ing blah)
This was the message Dave received from his sister, who’s a nurse, tonight.. I feel so bad for her and every single one of our healthcare workers tonight :sad:

https://i.ibb.co/zZWCbjw/916436-DE-5-A31-44-B9-A773-FAAEABE90-F95.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


I’m so sick of selfish thickos, the idea that the aren’t affected is laughable, they may not be affected healthwise but there are other ways they will be if the used the few brain cells they have to apply some critical thinking to it, I don’t use FB very much think its best avoided in these times

[arista]

Wasn't it also Derbyshire police who were going too far in the first lockdown releasing drone footage of people on walks because they had driven there etc

I fail to see what those two women did wrong at all



Yes this one case
will backfire on that Derbyshire Police.

[arista]

1348214911973863425

[arista]

1348009252644913152


Yes you tell that Stupid Copper
its common land - to be walked on.

[Novo]

jesus wept the police are such pushovers these days aren't they lol, getting told to **** off and being called an idiot and he just stands there like a wet lettuce

[arista]

jesus wept the police are such pushovers these days aren't they lol, getting told to **** off and being called an idiot and he just stands there like a wet lettuce



Yes but he the
Stupid Officer picked on 2 Black Walkers,
it stinks

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/10/15/37829360-0-image-m-3_1610291737632.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/09/23/37810686-9130133-Another_four_officers_appear_to_arrest_a_different _woman_for_wha-a-78_1610233776323.jpg
[Women arrested for allegedly leaving
her house more than once in a day. 'I was sitting on a bench']

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/10/01/37724436-9130133-One_MailOnline_reader_sent_a_picture_of_these_tape d_off_benches_-a-11_1610242095461.jpg
Taped off benches in Ely, Cambridgeshire

[Zizu]

Does anyone recall what the % of Covid patients who need hospital care actually go onto need intensive care ??




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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Lockdown will be extended with 3 weeks

tomorrow and tuesday more talks with government and RIVM, OMT about this, tuesday decisions will be made

and tuesday evening a press conference again by PM Rutte and health minister De Jonge


also a wider support package to prevent businesses from going under

[arista]

54,940 have caught Covid-19

563 have died today
81,431 Total UK deaths.

Patients in hospital
Latest available
32,294

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
3,098


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Strictly Jake]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/09/23/37810686-9130133-Another_four_officers_appear_to_arrest_a_different _woman_for_wha-a-78_1610233776323.jpg
[Women arrested for allegedly leaving
her house more than once in a day. 'I was sitting on a bench']

Its just madness now really isnt it. As long as she is on her own and keeping socially distant. Whats up with tat. I go to work and come back home and ho out to the shop later on. Does that mean im leaving the house more than once?

[Cherie]

Its just madness now really isnt it. As long as she is on her own and keeping socially distant. Whats up with tat. I go to work and come back home and ho out to the shop later on. Does that mean im leaving the house more than once?

we have no reason to believe that is what she was arrested for other than the caption? don't take everything at face value, she would have been fined rather than arrested if leaving home more than once was the reason



we cant expect the police to police this and then criticise everything they do when we don't know the full story

[MTVN]

I think the police have said she was part of anti-lockdown protests in the town breaking all sorts of rules then they set it up so it looked like she was getting arrested for nothing

[MTVN]

The protestors set it up that is

[Ammi]

....teeerany, teeerany I tell ya...

...there’s a vid in this link, Cherie...it’s not the full story as such, but a bit more of what was happening...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9131071/Priti-Patel-defends-police-strong-enforcement-Covid-rules.html

[Beso]

https://youtu.be/bAB5rPVuFkU

[user104658]

Does anyone recall what the % of Covid patients who need hospital care actually go onto need intensive care ??




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro20% of hospital cases (1 in 5) needed ICU and 80% of those (4 in 5) needed ventilator giving a total of 16% of hospital cases needing ventilator. The point of needing a ventilator is when survival chances really drop.

HOWEVER

Those stats are from the first wave, when there were fewer treatment options. As things are now, fewer hospital cases end up in ICU and fewer ICU cases end in fatalities. But I don't think there are exact stats.

[Zizu]

20% of hospital cases (1 in 5) needed ICU and 80% of those (4 in 5) needed ventilator giving a total of 16% of hospital cases needing ventilator. The point of needing a ventilator is when survival chances really drop.

HOWEVER

Those stats are from the first wave, when there were fewer treatment options. As things are now, fewer hospital cases end up in ICU and fewer ICU cases end in fatalities. But I don't think there are exact stats.



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[smudgie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/10/15/37829360-0-image-m-3_1610291737632.jpg

Not a mask in sight.
Ruddy morons.