Coronavirus Outbreak : Plan B

[Alf]

The government are your parents now.

"Govern me more, Daddy!"


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[Cherie]

I have to say with regard to the above, he stood up in Parliament less than 3 months ago and said vaccine passports were discriminatory and that was not how the UK did things, a clip of this was played on LBC yesterday, so not sure how he can move his position so swiftly

not sure any 12 year old should be making a decision like that, and who do you deem competent and incompetent to make it

[bots]

the vaccine minister seems to be a complete idiot, i'm not sure how the jab rollout went so well given he just seems to be plain stupid.

The vaccine provides protection, but it doesn't stop you catching covid so i don't see how having a passport achieves anything. A lateral flow test is completely hit or miss so it can't be relied upon for identifying someone who has covid. It all makes zero sense to me so I don't understand how the passport can be used as an entrance pass

[user104658]

The idea that a 12 year old is giving true informed consent is utter nonsense. They’ll do it if their pals are doing it, and that’s about as much thought as will go into it.

[Alf]

The opposition that opposes nothing.



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[Cherie]

the vaccine minister seems to be a complete idiot, i'm not sure how the jab rollout went so well given he just seems to be plain stupid.

The vaccine provides protection, but it doesn't stop you catching covid so i don't see how having a passport achieves anything. A lateral flow test is completely hit or miss so it can't be relied upon for identifying someone who has covid. It all makes zero sense to me so I don't understand how the passport can be used as an entrance pass

Yeah I am not getting why they are so keen to vaccinate kids as they can still transmit :shrug:

[Alf]

Just stick two fingers up to them and tell them to "Sod off" if they come for your kids. They have no power unless you consent to let them have it. They're all mouth. They try to use fear. Just fart in their general direction.

[Alf]

For thee, but not for me.

Is Julia right about the house of commons? Or is the minister right?



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[arista]

Monday 6/9/21

45 have Died
41,192 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,606

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
1,034

133,274 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Alf]

Je suis avec le peuple de France


Viva France



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[Alf]

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[Strictly Jake]

My kids are a lot younger than 12 but if I had to make the decision they wouldn't be having the vaccine. I'm not completely sure why I allowed myself to have the vaccine but thankfully it went okay anyway. But they still don't really know the long term success of it and it doesn't stop us catching it or spreading it but it does lessen the chance if going to hospital I suppose. But after seeing the long term damage the vaccine has done to my brother in law I wouldn't risk a vaccine on my kis that could do long term damage when I know if they caught covid it's just them being ill for a bit. Its just too risky. I don't think under 18s should have to have one.

I fully expect with schools coming back and winter just around the corner we are set for a very bumpy ride and that will prove how effective the vaccines really are

[Alf]

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[bots]

i think Australians are right to be angry. They had the virus under control and if the government had vaccinated with a degree of urgency they wouldn't be facing the problems they are now

[Vanessa]

They made a big mistake by not getting on with vaccinations. They're really behind.

[Vanessa]

My kids are a lot younger than 12 but if I had to make the decision they wouldn't be having the vaccine. I'm not completely sure why I allowed myself to have the vaccine but thankfully it went okay anyway. But they still don't really know the long term success of it and it doesn't stop us catching it or spreading it but it does lessen the chance if going to hospital I suppose. But after seeing the long term damage the vaccine has done to my brother in law I wouldn't risk a vaccine on my kis that could do long term damage when I know if they caught covid it's just them being ill for a bit. Its just too risky. I don't think under 18s should have to have one.

I fully expect with schools coming back and winter just around the corner we are set for a very bumpy ride and that will prove how effective the vaccines really are
I agree. The risk on younger children is less.
I dont think they need ro be vaccinated.

[Crimson Dynamo]

On the graph below, you can see that the UK cases are very flat, maybe a hint
of increasing. It seems that Scottish cases have peaked now, and even a hint
that they are starting to come down.

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[user104658]

On the graph below, you can see that the UK cases are very flat, maybe a hint
of increasing. It seems that Scottish cases have peaked now, and even a hint
that they are starting to come down.

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I mean it is a clear incline (from 25k cases to 35k cases over 30-ish days) not flat but it's certainly not a "doubling every X days" situation. The Scottish cases peaking and looking like decreasing is interesting, as the increase was put down to schools opening but there's thus far no change in the situation there, schools are still open and operating as normal, so nothing in the schools situation to explain a peak & decrease.

[arista]

Tuesday 7/9/21

209 Have Died
37,489 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,976

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
1,062


133,483 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

We really need those boosters and fast!

[Alf]

What's Dr Fauci upto these days?

[arista]

What's Dr Fauci upto these days?


He is making sure
12 year olds are getting the USA Vaccine.

[The Slim Reaper]

What's Dr Fauci upto these days?

Fighting a campaign against people taking horse de-wormer instead of the vaccine because of all the misinformation.

[user104658]

Fighting a campaign against people taking horse de-wormer instead of the vaccine because of all the misinformation.

It sounds like a joke but it isn't a joke, and that just sums up most things these days. The world has jumped the shark.

[Alf]

Fighting a campaign against people taking horse de-wormer instead of the vaccine because of all the misinformation.What news source is that from?

[Alf]

He was probably truthful about everything else in his career though, this is probably just a one off



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[arista]

Wednesday 8/9/21


191 Died Today
38,975 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,907

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
1,047


133,674 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[The Slim Reaper]

What news source is that from?

you can use google to search for horse de-wormer covid us

[Crimson Dynamo]

Joe Rogan, who has Covid, is taking it!

[michael21]

Wednesday 8/9/21


191 Died Today
38,975 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,907

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
1,047


133,674 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Numbers going down in hot weather

[Strictly Jake]

Cases are rising again and it doesn't help that a lot of places are even scared to have signs up about the virus anymore. The uni I work at have removed every sign, restriction etc etc regarding coronavirus we are due to take the full capacity of students back in the next few weeks. Now I'm all for normality and it's a good sign. However it's sending out the wrong message because this virus hasn't gone we are about to head into the colder months when the virus likes to thrive and all we have in our favour this time are vaccines that may need a booster...its way to early for everyone to think everything is normal.

[Zizu]

Cases are rising again and it doesn't help that a lot of places are even scared to have signs up about the virus anymore. The uni I work at have removed every sign, restriction etc etc regarding coronavirus we are due to take the full capacity of students back in the next few weeks. Now I'm all for normality and it's a good sign. However it's sending out the wrong message because this virus hasn't gone we are about to head into the colder months when the virus likes to thrive and all we have in our favour this time are vaccines that may need a booster...its way to early for everyone to think everything is normal.


I totally agree .. it’s baffling.

Our high school has zero restrictions , no bubbles , no masks and despite all the information given about his important ventilation is we have all classroom doors closed now - fire risk survey or something !!


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[Zizu]

Are there any stats comparing the % of UK adults who have had Covid to those who haven’t ..?


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[Vanessa]

They should bw wearing masks I schools.

[bots]

Are there any stats comparing the % of UK adults who have had Covid to those who haven’t ..?


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7 million in total have caught covid in the uk ... so about 10%

[user104658]

7 million in total have caught covid in the uk ... so about 10%


That’s just those verified by test. Including a symptomatic and mild-untested, the number is more likely to be over 15m.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeah Matt, why didn’t someone come up with a flu vaccine? <a href="https://t.co/lXX5WlXBUp">https://t.co/lXX5WlXBUp</a></p>&mdash; Gary Lineker 💙 (@GaryLineker) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1435581834797199361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

pwned

[MTVN]

Love that Le Tiss asks for 'answers on a postcard then makes it so no one can reply to his stupid tweet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Love that Le Tiss asks for 'answers on a postcard then makes it so no one can reply to his stupid tweet

:joker:

[Alf]

Love that Le Tiss asks for 'answers on a postcard then makes it so no one can reply to his stupid tweetYou can see why Matt lost his TV job though. He doesn't step in line with the narrative. You don't make it in that World if you don't do and say what you're told to.

Lineker does very, very well in that World because he plays ball.

[user104658]

Love that Le Tiss asks for 'answers on a postcard then makes it so no one can reply to his stupid tweet

Yes because he wants the answers on a postcard, didn't you read the tweet? :idc:

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[Alf]

There are some good Labour MPs that are prepared to represent the people. Good on yer Emma! More like her and they might get my vote next time.



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[arista]

USA has the same problem
we have in the UK getting all to have the Jab.

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[Alf]

USA has the same problem
we have in the UK getting all to have the Jab.

1435931863638478850Pin them down and inject them is what Howard Stern is saying

This is just propaganda to turn you against your own people, by using fear.

[arista]

Pin them down and inject them is what Howard Stern is saying

This is just propaganda to turn you against your own people, by using fear.



No more, get out the Way

More than half of Americans have had the Jab
you no jabbers "in the USA are" now using Horse worm drugs
they are crazy.

[Alf]

No more, get out the Way

More than half of Americans have had the Jab
you no jabbers "in the USA are" now using Horse worm drugs
they are crazy.Again, the horse worm stuff is fake news. Wait and see, watch the story fizzle out because it has no substance. Watch.

[arista]

Again, the horse worm stuff is fake news. Wait and see, watch the story fizzle out because it has no substance. Watch.


Sadly its not Fake



['Stop it': FDA urges people to stop taking livestock drug to treat Covid-19 02:03]


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/26/health/ivermectin-covid-19-warning-injuries/index.html


I thought you were up to date
Alf.

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[Beso]

It's been proven to be no such thing....

Thats the crux of the matter..

**** all has been proven with this vaccine as it hasnt had the 3 to 7 year safety tests done before it was rolled out...


And to say "all of them would take horse wormer" is just bull**** as well.

[arista]

It's been proven to be no such thing....

Thats the crux of the matter..

**** all has been proven with this vaccine as it hasnt had the 3 to 7 year safety tests done before it was rolled out...


And to say "all of them would take horse wormer" is just bull**** as well.



Yes, it's some of them.

[Cherie]

DELTA changed everything with regard to the spread as vaccinated can spread it just as easily as unvaccinated...which makes it odd why they want 12 year olds vacced

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

[arista]

Thursday 9/9/21

167 Have Died
38,013 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,085

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,060


133,841 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Cases looked to have peaked

There have been 12 deaths reported today in Scotland, which is creeping up a little. The
87 people in ICU and 928 people in hospital overall are definitely going up.

[bots]

DELTA changed everything with regard to the spread as vaccinated can spread it just as easily as unvaccinated...which makes it odd why they want 12 year olds vacced

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

it's completely stupid to vaccinate kids and it makes the covid passports useless as well. I don't understand why they are continuing down the passport path

[arista]

From STV1HD


Scotland Parliament has voted in
the Vaccine Passports
Scottish Conservative & Labour both against it.


Clubs are saying they need how it works.


Starts 1st of October 2021 in Scotland.

[Alf]

From STV1HD


Scotland Parliament has voted in
the Vaccine Passports
Scottish Conservative & Labour both against it.


Clubs are saying they need how it works.


Starts 1st of October 2021 in Scotland.When you say vaccine passports, what it really means is vaccine passports for some, but not for others.

You can stop this by not complying. Force them to show you how authoritarian they are.

[arista]

When you say vaccine passports, what it really means is vaccine passports for some, but not for others.

You can stop this by not complying. Force them to show you how authoritarian they are.


Look, everyone can get one


You Anti Vaxxers
are trouble makers

[Alf]

Look, everyone can get one


You Anti Vaxxers
are trouble makersI'd say the ones who have destroyed peoples livelihoods and locked them in their homes are the trouble makers. They started it.

[Alf]

Look, everyone can get one


You Anti Vaxxers
are trouble makersJust the fact that you keep referring to them as "anti-vax" shows how you see them as different, and not as the same citizens you saw them as just 2 years ago. Next step is to treat them like second class citizens. Maybe they'll put a yellow star on them to let you know who is to be treated differently.

[arista]

Just the fact that you keep referring to them as "anti-vax" shows how you see them as different, and not as the same citizens you saw them as just 2 years ago. Next step is to treat them like second class citizens. Maybe they'll put a yellow star on them to let you know who is to be treated differently.


No we are in 2021

[Alf]

No we are in 2021It's 2021 and you're turning against your fellow citizens because they're making a free medical choice.

[Alf]

I really don't care if you fear the virus, that's not an excuse for tyranny.

[arista]

It's 2021 and you're turning against your fellow citizens because they're making a free medical choice.


No one is stopping you
We can all have viewpoint.


It just loads that have Died recently
in UK hospitals were Un Vaxxed
and they all wish they got a vax.

[AnnieK]

I really don't care if you fear the virus, that's not an excuse for tyranny.

It isn't tyrannical as we all have a free choice. Is it tyranny that people without a licence can't drive a car legally? Its a free choice...all people over 17 are free to learn to drive, if they choose not to, its fine but they are legally not allowed to drive a vehicle.

[arista]

It isn't tyrannical as we all have a free choice. Is it tyranny that people without a licence can't drive a car legally? Its a free choice...all people over 17 are free to learn to drive, if they choose not to, its fine but they are legally not allowed to drive a vehicle.


Well Said
AnnieK

[Alf]

Well Said
AnnieKNo it wasn't.

I challenge you to go on your holidays like you normally would have in 2019. You can't. You no longer have that freedom, you willingly gave it up.

[Alf]

The land of the free



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[Crimson Dynamo]

wow

[Alf]

They don't even have to answer people's concerns, you just do as they say and that's it.



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[Beso]

It isn't tyrannical as we all have a free choice. Is it tyranny that people without a licence can't drive a car legally? Its a free choice...all people over 17 are free to learn to drive, if they choose not to, its fine but they are legally not allowed to drive a vehicle.



They are talking about kids of 12 yr old being able to chose for themselves if they want the vaccine or not now.

A vaccine that's not had the full tests yet to make it properly legal..a vaccine for a flu like disease, that was made in months, not years.

Whilst the flu vaccine..........


What next for 12 yr olds?

[Alf]

They're going to protect you from the monsters they've created.



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[Oliver_W]

What next for 12 yr olds?

Who knows, maybe secondary school kids will be getting jabs for tuberculosis? Or maybe tetanus, diptheria, and polio?

[Alf]

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[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Anti-vaxxer scum better get used to staying at home, it's what they deserve for their selfishness. Why should countries open themselves up to selfish pro-disease wankers that will spread the virus? Why should companies have to risk their employees and customers to appeal a dumbass minority that will act like the Vaccine is some mysterious dangerous thing while gobbling down Horse Wormer and Malaria medication instead of listening to medical advice.

Anti-Vaxxers are lowlives that endanger others who might not be able to vaccinate for health reasons for their own minor benefits. ***** (That's the word beginning with C, btw), the lot of them. I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire.Is that a threat? Are you gonna be the one who enforces them to stay at home, you little wannabe tyrant? You and who's army, you tough talking guy?

[Alf]

Anti-vaxxer scum better get used to staying at home, it's what they deserve for their selfishness. Why should countries open themselves up to selfish pro-disease wankers that will spread the virus? Why should companies have to risk their employees and customers to appeal a dumbass minority that will act like the Vaccine is some mysterious dangerous thing while gobbling down Horse Wormer and Malaria medication instead of listening to medical advice.

Anti-Vaxxers are lowlives that endanger others who might not be able to vaccinate for health reasons for their own minor benefits. ***** (That's the word beginning with C, btw), the lot of them. I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire.If anyone's selfish it's you, you're the one demanding other people do something that you want them to do, so that you don't get sick. It's all about you.

[Alf]

Anti-vaxxer scum better get used to staying at home, it's what they deserve for their selfishness. Why should countries open themselves up to selfish pro-disease wankers that will spread the virus? Why should companies have to risk their employees and customers to appeal a dumbass minority that will act like the Vaccine is some mysterious dangerous thing while gobbling down Horse Wormer and Malaria medication instead of listening to medical advice.

Anti-Vaxxers are lowlives that endanger others who might not be able to vaccinate for health reasons for their own minor benefits. ***** (That's the word beginning with C, btw), the lot of them. I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire.Demands that people have no free medical choice, demands that people should inject an experimental vaccine into their body, and if these people were unfortunate enough to be set on fire, he wouldn't even piss on them to put them out, that's how much he cares for people's health, not at all.

It's because you're scared, Dezzy. The media has done a number on you and put you in a state of fear over a virus that has an over 99% survival rate. You've listened to the propaganda and bought it hook, line and sinker.

[Alf]

It's through times like this that is really bringing the facists into the light for us to see clearly.

[Alf]

They're going to protect you from the monsters they've created.



1436076088820649986If they need to protect you from the unvaccinated, then what was the point in taking a vaccine if they're no use?

[Alf]

Welcome to the New World Order.


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[Alf]

Do you see now that everything they accused Trump of was really them just projecting who they are on to him?

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[Alf]

The land of the free



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Just remember that these are the people you defend from accusations of election fraud. You'd rather make out that innocent, concerned people are conspiracy theorists, than question whether people like this would cheat to gain power.

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[arista]

Just remember that these are the people you defend from accusations of election fraud. You'd rather make out that innocent, concerned people are conspiracy theorists, than question whether people like this would cheat to gain power.




Yes but it Costs a Company,
to have to Test their workers every week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58508547

[The measures include a vaccine mandate for millions
of federal government workers and come as Mr Biden
faces pressure to combat a surge in cases.
Over 650,000 Americans have died with Covid-19
and hospitals are at capacity.
The president had promised a "summer of freedom"
from the virus, but the Delta (India)variant has
seen infections surge.

[Alf]

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[Alf]

But she doesn't believe you have the right to choose what you do and don't inject into your body. She thinks that she gets to decide that for you.

Sorry love, you just get elected to do the people's administration work, nothing more, nothing less.



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[Cherie]

Welcome to the New World Order.


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What the hell

[Cherie]

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So are we not listening to the scientists any more?

[Alf]

What the hellI'd liked to have been a fly on the wall at that summit they had in England earlier this year.

[Alf]

Don't worry, they won't succeed, these mandates won't hold up against the constitution.

They're just scare tactics and probably a bit of trying to move the narrative away from his middle east disaster.

[arista]

So are we not listening to the scientists any more?


The Government is,
which is why we are still waiting for the Booster start,
for some,
is mean't to start this month.

[user104658]

Can we have a separate thread for the conspiracy stuff? An entire page of this thread overnight has been dedicated to it and it really makes this thread unusable.

[Alf]

Can we have a separate thread for the conspiracy stuff? An entire page of this thread overnight has been dedicated to it and it really makes this thread unusable.In the nile are you?

Think you have the power to get people silenced by calling them a conspiracy theorist, do you?


Or are you just raging at me out of hatred, looking for confrontation?

[Alf]

You notice Toy Soldier never explains why it's a conspiracy theory? Never gives the reasons and shows the proof of what the truth is? He just calls you the name and thinks that's good enough to win the argument

[Cherie]

If they need to protect you from the unvaccinated, then what was the point in taking a vaccine if they're no use?

Makes no sense, it did before Delta but not now as both vacced and non vacced have equal viral load

[Alf]

Makes no sense, it did before Delta but not now as both vacced and non vacced have equal viral loadNone of it has ever made sense to me. I don't even think it makes sense to them, they just seem to be making it up as the go along.

[Cherie]

None of it has ever made sense to me. I don't even think it makes sense to them, they just seem to be making it up as the go along.

What is incredible is that the science is out there but the stance remains unchallenged

[Cherie]

The Government is,
which is why we are still waiting for the Booster start,
for some,
is mean't to start this month.

Boosters for the immunosuppressed is already under way

[Alf]

What is incredible is that the science is out there but the stance remains unchallengedThe virus is very much like God. They're both invisible and both have the ability to control people.

[user104658]

In the nile are you?

Think you have the power to get people silenced by calling them a conspiracy theorist, do you?


Or are you just raging at me out of hatred, looking for confrontation?


I’m neither raging nor trying to silence you, it could be another thread literally right next to this one on the SD’s front page, I’m only suggesting that one person making 15+ posts over night clogs up the thread a bit.

You are a conspiracy theorist though, you literally are posting theories about conspiracies… even if you’re 100% right that doesn’t make a difference. There’s nothing in the term “conspiracy theorist” that’s inherently demeaning or offensive? There are quite a few conspiracy theories that I think probably contain plenty of truth. :shrug:

So really to clarify, Im not trying to silence your conspiracy theories, I do think you’re in the wrong for not wanting to debate those theories or have them critiqued or refuted, and I think they should have their own threadwhen they’re on important topics because they take over the whole thread. How is suggesting a separate thread “silencing”?

[bots]

when it comes to science subjects, they rely on a panel to provide consensus advice rather than on individuals. This is because experts tend to be focussed on very specific areas which in isolation make them come to one conclusion. Another scientist with a different speciality, may come to a different conclusion.

So, it is never advisable to listen to just one persons advice as gospel. Get as many recommendations as possible and then take the appropriate action based on the consensus. So, when the lady above says boosters aren't necessary, it should be taken with a pinch of salt

[user104658]

You notice Toy Soldier never explains why it's a conspiracy theory? Never gives the reasons and shows the proof of what the truth is? He just calls you the name and thinks that's good enough to win the argument


There we go I didn’t see this one. I think the issue is that you’re struggling with the definition.

It’s a conspiracy theory because;

1) it’s a theory

2) it describes a conspiracy


There is NOTHING in the term “conspiracy theory” that suggests “not true”. A conspiracy theory could be wild fantasy, or it could hit the nail on the head. Most IMO contain some degree of truth but are padded out with guesswork.

The idea that I “just throw names around and think that wins arguments” is really a bizarre accusation. If anything my posts are overly verbose and full of repetition and pointless detail and go a little off piste with a train of thought. Those would all be better and valid criticisms. I don’t drop insults and walk off. It’s just clearly not how I post :joker:.

[Alf]

I’m neither raging nor trying to silence you, it could be another thread literally right next to this one on the SD’s front page, I’m only suggesting that one person making 15+ posts over night clogs up the thread a bit.

You are a conspiracy theorist though, you literally are posting theories about conspiracies… even if you’re 100% right that doesn’t make a difference. There’s nothing in the term “conspiracy theorist” that’s inherently demeaning or offensive? There are quite a few conspiracy theories that I think probably contain plenty of truth. :shrug:

So really to clarify, Im not trying to silence your conspiracy theories, I do think you’re in the wrong for not wanting to debate those theories or have them critiqued or refuted, and I think they should have their own threadwhen they’re on important topics because they take over the whole thread. How is suggesting a separate thread “silencing”?Which ones are the conspiracy theories? Explain to the forum, with reasons, evidence why they are conspiracy theories and show us what the facts are. Show us how you did your research to get to the truth.

[Alf]

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[user104658]

when it comes to science subjects, they rely on a panel to provide consensus advice rather than on individuals. This is because experts tend to be focussed on very specific areas which in isolation make them come to one conclusion. Another scientist with a different speciality, may come to a different conclusion.

So, it is never advisable to listen to just one persons advice as gospel. Get as many recommendations as possible and then take the appropriate action based on the consensus. So, when the lady above says boosters aren't necessary, it should be taken with a pinch of salt


In healthcare professions this is called “evidence based practice” - you’re supposed to have a good body of evidence from multiple sources before adopting something into practice. Even then it won’t necessarily be right, but if things do go wrong, they’re supposed to be able to say “this was the evidence base” and point to the research as a defense of the decisions made. People who make medical decisions without a strong evidence base and cause harm end up with their registration stripped (“struck off”). It’s not that harm was caused. It’s being unable to justify the thinking that lead to it. A good example there is methadone programmes; people die from methadone OD and this is known. The evidence base however shows that “more harm than good is done in general” (people are at risk on methodone, but they’re safer on methadone than injecting heroin).

It is all a bit murky with Covid to be fair; it’s brand new so the evidence base for treatments and preventions doesn’t really exist, so we have a largely unprecedented situation where the whole healthcare sector is engaging experimentally with a very small evidence base. The defense for this if it was all to go horribly wrong would be that it’s standard practice in a new scenario that we were unprepared for.

It’s really almost certain that in 5+ years time we’ll be able to look back and say that some of what was done was in fact not optimal at all. But there’s little you can do about that. We’re all Chimps in spaceships with this one.

[user104658]

Which ones are the conspiracy theories? Explain to the forum, with reasons, evidence why they are conspiracy theories and show us what the facts are. Show us how you did your research to get to the truth.


You’re still not understanding what makes them conspiracy theories. It has nothing to do with truth. You’re describing government/medical conspiracies, and they are theories. Even if they’re 100% correct. That IS the evidence.

[Alf]

There we go I didn’t see this one. I think the issue is that you’re struggling with the definition.

It’s a conspiracy theory because;

1) it’s a theory

2) it describes a conspiracy


There is NOTHING in the term “conspiracy theory” that suggests “not true”. A conspiracy theory could be wild fantasy, or it could hit the nail on the head. Most IMO contain some degree of truth but are padded out with guesswork.

The idea that I “just throw names around and think that wins arguments” is really a bizarre accusation. If anything my posts are overly verbose and full of repetition and pointless detail and go a little off piste with a train of thought. Those would all be better and valid criticisms. I don’t drop insults and walk off. It’s just clearly not how I post :joker:.Did it ever cross your mind to call all those theories in the Prince Andrew thread yesterday, conspiracy, or is that just for me. I even giave you a prompt to see if anyone would receive the same telling offs from you.

Let's say for arguments sake that you're right, and everything I post is a conspiracy theory, then so what, what's the big deal, why does it get up your nose so much?

[user104658]

You’re a film guy right Alf? Have you not seen the film “conspiracy theory”? Where it turns out he was right all along and there really is a conspiracy? His theories were correct. That doesn’t mean they weren’t conspiracy theories. It’s not that hard to understand is it?

[Alf]

You’re still not understanding what makes them conspiracy theories. It has nothing to do with truth. You’re describing government/medical conspiracies, and they are theories. Even if they’re 100% correct. That IS the evidence.And you do this a lot to people. You look down on them and think you're better than them, you tell them that they don't understand, but you do. So what if they don't understand, it's not a crime.

[user104658]

Did it ever cross your mind to call all those theories in the Prince Andrew thread yesterday, conspiracy, or is that just for me. I even giave you a prompt to see if anyone would receive the same telling offs from you.

Let's say for arguments sake that you're right, and everything I post is a conspiracy theory, then so what, what's the big deal, why does it get up your nose so much?


What’s the conspiracy in the Prince Andrew situation though? Again, conspiracy isn’t a bad word, conspiracies happen. All the time in organisations and politics, I’d imagine. I don’t see it in the Prince Andrew situation though, I guess maybe within the Royal institution? A conspiracy to defend him? They’re pretty blatant about it though.

On that subject though - here’s another example. The idea that Epstein was murdered rather than that he killed himself is a conspiracy theory. One that I completely believe is true, I’d bet my next months pay that Epstein didn’t kill himself. But it’s still a conspiracy theory… the conspiracy being that powerful people conspired to have him killed and have it covered up, and the theory being that this is what many believe but it’s not proven. So in that case, I am a conspiracy theorist. It’s not an insult. It’s just a description.

Why does it get up my nose? Again, it doesn’t. The conspiracy theories don’t get up my nose. Your unwillingness to have them challenged or discussed gets up my nose. You declaring that anyone taking issue with your theories and saying they sound like nonsense is “bullying you” gets up my nose. If you have a solid theory then argue for it and convince people. Don’t say “ugh you telling me I’m wrong is bullying and silencing”.

[user104658]

And you do this a lot to people. You look down on them and think you're better than them, you tell them that they don't understand, but you do. So what if they don't understand, it's not a crime.


“So what if they don’t understand”

Misunderstanding what someone is saying will inevitably lead to confusion, which usually leads to arguments. For example, you being very upset that I’m describing your conspiracy theories as conspiracy theories, believing the term to be insulting, when it’s only descriptive.

[Alf]

What’s the conspiracy in the Prince Andrew situation though? Again, conspiracy isn’t a bad word, conspiracies happen. All the time in organisations and politics, I’d imagine. I don’t see it in the Prince Andrew situation though, I guess maybe within the Royal institution? A conspiracy to defend him? They’re pretty blatant about it though.

On that subject though - here’s another example. The idea that Epstein was murdered rather than that he killed himself is a conspiracy theory. One that I completely believe is true, I’d bet my next months pay that Epstein didn’t kill himself. But it’s still a conspiracy theory… the conspiracy being that powerful people conspired to have him killed and have it covered up, and the theory being that this is what many believe but it’s not proven. So in that case, I am a conspiracy theorist. It’s not an insult. It’s just a description.

Why does it get up my nose? Again, it doesn’t. The conspiracy theories don’t get up my nose. Your unwillingness to have them challenged or discussed gets up my nose. You declaring that anyone taking issue with your theories and saying they sound like nonsense is “bullying you” gets up my nose. If you have a solid theory then argue for it and convince people. Don’t say “ugh you telling me I’m wrong is bullying and silencing”.I've asked you myself on this page to challenge them, so how is it unwillingness? I'll ask again. Which are the conspiracy theories and what is your issue with them?

[user104658]

I've asked you myself on this page to challenge them, so how is it unwillingness? I'll ask again. Which are the conspiracy theories and what is your issue with them?


I answered above about what the conspiracy theories are (you post a lot of them). As for discussing them, like I said maybe make another thread about them. Honestly I’d happily engage with it if I thought it was an actual discussion but in the past you’ve gotten hostile and defensive as soon as you encounter disagreement, and no one wants to engage with that.

[Alf]

I answered above about what the conspiracy theories are (you post a lot of them). As for discussing them, like I said maybe make another thread about them. Honestly I’d happily engage with it if I thought it was an actual discussion but in the past you’ve gotten hostile and defensive as soon as you encounter disagreement, and no one wants to engage with that.Was it the article from the financial times I posted about Biden's mandates?

Was it the video of Biden saying that the vaccinated will be protected against the unvaxinated?

Was it the Australian official declaring she's part of the New World Order?

Which one got up your nose the most, for your first post of the day to be to try and have them moved?

[user104658]

Was it the article from the financial times I posted about Biden's mandates?

Was it the video of Biden saying that the vaccinated will be protected against the unvaxinated?

Was it the Australian official declaring she's part of the New World Order?

Which one got up your nose the most, for your first post of the day to be to try and have them moved?


I was quite clear on the original post that what “got up my nose” was the sheer number of posts, and that they’ve overwhelmed the main Covid thread. You made several posts overnight when no one was even here to engage. And again, I suggested that they could be moved to their own thread - not deleted. There’s some interesting enough content there. Biden has indeed gone off the rails somewhat (no, Biden being bad does not mean that Trump was good, they can both be **** ) and the Aus NWO stuff is interesting (but quite undeniably a conspiracy theory… NWO is THE quintessential conspiracy theory).

Again though

The problem is that you spammed it all one after the other onto the main Covid thread with no time or space for discussion and no one even here to discuss it. It came across less as a “here’s some interesting things for people to consider and discuss” and more as a “HA! Look at THIS, and THIS, and THIS, I dare any of you to say I'm wrong now!"

[Alf]

I answered above about what the conspiracy theories are (you post a lot of them). As for discussing them, like I said maybe make another thread about them. Honestly I’d happily engage with it if I thought it was an actual discussion but in the past you’ve gotten hostile and defensive as soon as you encounter disagreement, and no one wants to engage with that.The election fraud is an actual discussion, but you don't engage in that, you just shout "conspiracy theory, the end"

[Alf]

I was quite clear on the original post that what “got up my nose” was the sheer number of posts, and that they’ve overwhelmed the main Covid thread. You made several posts overnight when no one was even here to engage. And again, I suggested that they could be moved to their own thread - not deleted. There’s some interesting enough content there. Biden has indeed gone off the rails somewhat (no, Biden being bad does not mean that Trump was good, they can both be **** ) and the Aus NWO stuff is interesting (but quite undeniably a conspiracy theory… NWO is THE quintessential conspiracy theory).

Again though

The problem is that you spammed it all one after the other onto the main Covid thread with no time or space for discussion and no one even here to discuss it. It came across less as a “here’s some interesting things for people to consider and discuss” and more as a “HA! Look at THIS, and THIS, and THIS, I dare any of you to say I'm wrong now!"They wasn't overnight, they were this morning when I woke up.

Arista posts headlines and articles all day long but I don't see you giving him the same as what you give me, which tells me it's more personal.

[Alf]

By the way, I'm glad Arista does do that, he provides a valuable service free of charge, a bargain.

[user104658]

The election fraud is an actual discussion, but you don't engage in that, you just shout "conspiracy theory, the end"


Can you point me to the thread that's specifically about the discussion of election fraud, rather than random posts about election fraud being shoved into other threads?

As it happens I'm well aware that politics is murky and a mess and nothing is ever entirely as it seems, my main issue with all of that is the bizarre idea that Trump of all people is "the one" who transcends all of that, rather than a massive part of exactly the same situation and also guilty of several clear attempts at election fraud.

We've never had an actual discussion about it though, because you're not looking for discussions, you're looking to "share the truth you've discovered" like a Jehovahs witness knocking the door with a pamphlet.

"Engaging" means conversing, either to agree or say you're talking pish. That's a valid opinion. "Engaging" doesn't mean automatically buying into what you're saying?

[user104658]

Arista posts headlines and articles all day long but I don't see you giving him the same as what you give me, which tells me it's more personal.


You're not looking very hard because there are plenty of examples of me challenging arista. He takes it on the chin because he's a pro.

In general though, arista posts things neutrally for comment (usually. not always.) which is not the same thing as posting things and heralding them as a beacon of truth.

[Alf]

You're not looking very hard because there are plenty of examples of me challenging arista. He takes it on the chin because he's a pro.

In general though, arista posts things neutrally for comment (usually. not always.) which is not the same thing as posting things and heralding them as a beacon of truth.Where have I ever said "this is the truth" I've just had my opinions of how I see it, which I assumed, actually I know, that I'm free to have.

Maybe it's the way in which you challenge me, maybe try starting off by saying, "Good day to you Alf, this sounds interesting, do tell me more'

Instead of

"Can some mod move this posters posts, because they're getting on my nerves"

Maybe it's down to the approach and maybe I'm guilty too.

[arista]

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[user104658]

Maybe it's the way in which you challenge me, maybe try starting off by saying, "Good day to you Alf, this sounds interesting, do tell me more'

Instead of

"Can some mod move this posters posts, because they're getting on my nerves"

Maybe it's down to the approach and maybe I'm guilty too.

I'm not going to deny that I have my good days and bad days. Really I think it's the whole forum at this point. Nothing but battles.

[Alf]

I'm not going to deny that I have my good days and bad days. Really I think it's the whole forum at this point. Nothing but battles.It's 4/6 that you start off tomorrow by saying "Good day to you Alf" or would you give more generous odds?

[Alf]

1436125418734735362How come the most popular President in history can't persuade his people to trust him?

Puzzles me!

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[Alf]

Shall we teach Dezzy the "Good morning Alf" routine, Toy Soldier?

[arista]

Friday 10/9/21

147 have Died
37,622 have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,098

Patients in ventilation beds
Latest available
1,060


133,988 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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Saturday 10/9/21

156 have Died
29,547 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,098

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,060


134,144 Total UK Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[arista]

Yes PM is going Live Monday or Tuesday
or later in the week

[arista]

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[bots]

now confirmed the passport scheme will not be implemented for night clubs etc.

Can't believe it took them that long to work out it was no use

[arista]

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[arista]

now confirmed the passport scheme will not be implemented for night clubs etc.

Can't believe it took them that long to work out it was no use



Yes England, now No.


But Scotland Yes on Vaccine Passports

[Cherie]

now confirmed the passport scheme will not be implemented for night clubs etc.

Can't believe it took them that long to work out it was no use

Think he has stolen a march on wee Nic there as she rushed to implement it before him :laugh:

[arista]

Sunday 12/9/21

56 have Died.
29,173 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,098

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,060



134,200 Total UK deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[arista]

All 6AM Media confirmed the PM Johnson
is going to give a Live Press Conference
tomorrow evening
with all his updates.

[arista]

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[arista]

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A "one shot" Covid Injection
due for you happy kids


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9983861/Boris-Johnsons-winter-plan-live-Covid-revealed-set-pledge-against-lockdowns.html

[arista]

USA :

I can fully understand him cancelling
his tour.
Prove you are double jabbed is better for all.

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Look Alf - One of Your Lot Live on Ch5HD AM

[arista]

Johnson Outside British Gas (the company that fires you - rehires you a lower rates)
Depot.

Was just on both news
saying no lockdowns - but can not rule it out

Tomorrow the 9 Downing Street Media room
we find out

[bots]

there will be restrictions including lockdown if the nhs can't cope, there is no alternative. If the hospital rates stay within limits then we will carry on as is. We just have to wait and see what happens. No-one knows how its going to pan out yet.

The covid passport is only useful if it guarantees that the person vaccinated doesn't have covid. People can still catch covid once vaccinated, so using a covid passport as an entrance requirement is completely pointless as it won't stop crowded venues being covid hotspots

[arista]

there will be restrictions including lockdown if the nhs can't cope, there is no alternative. If the hospital rates stay within limits then we will carry on as is. We just have to wait and see what happens. No-one knows how its going to pan out yet.

The covid passport is only useful if it guarantees that the person vaccinated doesn't have covid. People can still catch covid once vaccinated, so using a covid passport as an entrance requirement is completely pointless as it won't stop crowded venues being covid hotspots


Yes, the Double Vaccinated can catch covid
but many are at home for a few weeks
recovering.

But Unvaccinated can end up in Hospital.


So a Covid Passport
is better than a Lockdown,
if needed.

[arista]

Live Now

All Media

[arista]

Chris Whitty
is speaking


12-15 year olds
small risk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just one in 200 Covid deaths during first half of 2021 occurred
among the fully vaccinated, official data reveals



ONS looked at 51,281 Covid fatalities that occurred between January 2 and July
2
Identified 256 'breakthrough deaths' who had maximum immunity from the
jabs
Report found 76% of these were extremely vulnerable and had average age of
84

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9911119/Just-one-200-Covid-deaths-half-2021-occurred-fully-vaccinated.html

[arista]

12 to 15 year olds will be offered one dose of the Pfizer jab

[arista]

['Almost no area of medicine is risk-free' - Whitty
Kicking off the news conference, England's chief medical officer
Professor Chris Whitty says the first principle
of medicine is balancing "risk and benefit".
"There is almost no area of medicine which is risk-free," he says.]

[arista]

Dr. June Raine now talking


and now

Prof. Wei Shen Lim (of the JCVI) is talking

[Zizu]

12 to 15 year olds will be offered one dose of the Pfizer jab


A doctor on the radio was livid saying these jabs should’ve been done in the summer holz so they wouldn’t have been spreading it


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[arista]

Dr. Gregor Smith Scotland was Talking
Then the Wales Dr.
Then the N.Ireland Dr.

Now the Press.

[arista]

A doctor on the radio was livid saying these jabs should’ve been done in the summer holz so they wouldn’t have been spreading it





Yes Blame the JCVI
slowed it all down

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Blame the JCVI
slowed it all down

Public Health England have already stated kids of that age DO NOT spread Covid

[Cherie]

A doctor on the radio was livid saying these jabs should’ve been done in the summer holz so they wouldn’t have been spreading it


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Vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated so that is a load of tosh, if I had a 12-15 year old they would NOT be getting the vac based on that information.

[arista]

Public Health England have already stated kids of that age DO NOT spread Covid


15 year olds do.

[bots]

Vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated so that is a load of tosh, if I had a 12-15 year old they would NOT be getting the vac based on that information.

my lad will not be getting it, they are all really pissing me off now

[arista]

my lad will not be getting it, they are all really pissing me off now

Thats you right

[arista]

Monday 13/9/21

61 have Died
30,825 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,256

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,055

134,261 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

my lad will not be getting it, they are all really pissing me off now

Too right, I hope alot of parents follow suit

This is not following the science it is following the money

[Crimson Dynamo]

15 year olds do.

no its 18 and above when they are able to mingle, go out and about drive etc

[arista]

Now its Concluded

[arista]

The Child has the right
to overrule the parent
and get the vaccine.

[Cherie]

The Child has the right
to overrule the parent
and get the vaccine.

Absolute joke!

[Zizu]

no its 18 and above when they are able to mingle, go out and about drive etc


So kids readily spread every other contagious disease known to man yet they don’t spread one of the easiest infections to spread - that doesn’t make any sense at all tbh

All these billions of infections worldwide came from one person ..


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[bots]

there were bad decisions previously where they could be excused because everything was new and everyone was in a panic. That is not the case now, the scientific evidence doesn't support child vaccination for covid. This is madness

[bots]

The Child has the right
to overrule the parent
and get the vaccine.

there is no way a school will vaccinate a child without parental consent, they already take zero responsibility for anything and that wont change now

[Cherie]

there is no way a school will vaccinate a child without parental consent, they already take zero responsibility for anything and that wont change now

Very true

[Crimson Dynamo]

So kids readily spread every other contagious disease known to man yet they don’t spread one of the easiest infections to spread - that doesn’t make any sense at all tbh

All these billions of infections worldwide came from one person ..


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no they dont as they dont mingle like adults do in the wider population

schools have been shown to be lower than workplaces for infection spread

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Schools are not ‘drivers’ or ‘hubs’ of Covid infection”<br>Public Health England's Medical Director (BBC: <a href="https://t.co/LiIKUB1CR7">https://t.co/LiIKUB1CR7</a>)<br><br>Childhood vaccinations are “hard to justify for most children in most countries” <br>(Editorial, British Medical Journal: <a href="https://t.co/LAfwlXDMt6">https://t.co/LAfwlXDMt6</a>) <a href="https://t.co/Qfqz8quiCo">https://t.co/Qfqz8quiCo</a></p>&mdash; Maajid أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1437439707818909697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Covid: Schools aren't infection hubs, says public health boss

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58418767

[bots]

am i the only one that thinks its a bit odd that the chief medical officer is justifying a medical procedure on the basis that it might reduce school disruption a bit. Therefore, no medical justification

[Crimson Dynamo]

am i the only one that thinks its a bit odd that the chief medical officer is justifying a medical procedure on the basis that it might reduce school disruption a bit. Therefore, no medical justification

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shame on you <a href="https://twitter.com/CMO_England?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMO_England</a>. Healthy children don't need this vaccine and the JCVI twice advised not to give them the jab. This won't keep a single school open or save a single child's life. This is immoral, unethical and, what's worse, you KNOW it. Shame on you, Chris Whitty. <a href="https://t.co/0QOSRjbSjG">https://t.co/0QOSRjbSjG</a></p>&mdash; Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1437408776710205442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prof Chris Whitty looked as though he was sitting on a spike during the press con, as he tried to justify the unjustifiable by overruling the JCVI medical advice. He is simply a patsy to the politicians. Where was his concern for kids education &amp; mental health in lockdowns?</p>&mdash; Richard Tice (@TiceRichard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1437453828648017920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chris Whitty just said children were capable of understanding complex decisions about their health.<br> How many kids has Chris Whitty met? <a href="https://t.co/BzN1m5uCMB">https://t.co/BzN1m5uCMB</a></p>&mdash; Allison Pearson (@AllisonPearson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllisonPearson/status/1437446823711551493?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Cherie]

am i the only one that thinks its a bit odd that the chief medical officer is justifying a medical procedure on the basis that it might reduce school disruption a bit. Therefore, no medical justification

He must be paid? These jabs should be going overseas

[bots]

i think this is why the government decision is tomorrow, they wanted to see what the public reaction would be to this

[Beso]

Of course they should be offered it.

[AnnieK]

I'm glad my son is too young yet to get it.....I wouldn't be allowing him to be jabbed even if he were old enough.

[bots]

i think Witty has blown a lifetime of credibility in 10 minutes

[AnnieK]

i think Witty has blown a lifetime of credibility in 10 minutes

He really did look uncomfortable though....He is just a Government puppet now :sad:

[Zizu]

no they dont as they dont mingle like adults do in the wider population

schools have been shown to be lower than workplaces for infection spread

&lt;blockquote class="twitter-tweet"&gt;&lt;p lang="en" dir="ltr"&gt;“Schools are not ‘drivers’ or ‘hubs’ of Covid infection”&lt;br&gt;Public Health England's Medical Director (BBC: &lt;a href="https://t.co/LiIKUB1CR7"&gt;https://t.co/LiIKUB1CR7&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Childhood vaccinations are “hard to justify for most children in most countries” &lt;br&gt;(Editorial, British Medical Journal: &lt;a href="https://t.co/LAfwlXDMt6"&gt;https://t.co/LAfwlXDMt6&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;a href="https://t.co/Qfqz8quiCo"&gt;https://t.co/Qfqz8quiCo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;— Maajid أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1437439707818909697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"&gt;September 13, 2021&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"&gt;&lt;/script&gt;


Covid: Schools aren't infection hubs, says public health boss

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58418767


https://www.moneycrashers.com/prevent-spread-germs-school/

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[arista]

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[AnnieK]

That's an American study though Zizu...so not comparable really as we don't know what covid measures they have in their schools. Yes, kids can catch and transmit...schools will always be some risk but so is every other office block and workplace.

[Zizu]

That's an American study though Zizu...so not comparable really as we don't know what covid measures they have in their schools. Yes, kids can catch and transmit...schools will always be some risk but so is every other office block and workplace.


True but we’re vaccinating those who are in offices / work places ..


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[hijaxers]

i think this is why the government decision is tomorrow, they wanted to see what the public reaction would be to this

Thats gonna be tricky when Boris's mum has just passed away.

[AnnieK]

True but we’re vaccinating those who are in offices / work places ..


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You can still catch it from vaccinated / unvaccinated people and have the same viral load though....no matter what you vax status is.

If you had children still in the 12-15 year age group....would you be making the decision to have them vaccinated with limited knowledge, possible side effects and limited use without seriously doubting why you were doing it?

I think all adults should get a vaccine if they are able to, I'm not as comfortable deciding what should go into children's bodies when they are not fully grown and its a newish vaccine

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[bots]

the vaccine reduces an adults chance of becoming seriously ill from covid. That is the only context that is of value. Kids don't get seriously ill from it, so they shouldn't be getting vaccinated. I think the uptake for kids is going to be really low

[user104658]

the vaccine reduces an adults chance of becoming seriously ill from covid. That is the only context that is of value. Kids don't get seriously ill from it, so they shouldn't be getting vaccinated. I think the uptake for kids is going to be really low


Honestly I reckon the reason they’re doing it is because it’ll convert many “very mild symptoms” cases into “symptomless” cases, symptomless cases are far less likely to test, and thus it looks on paper like a reduction in cases (when it’s actually fewer symptomatic cases, more asymptomatic cases) which in theory does nothing to stop spread and might even increase spread (because symptomless infected people are more likely to spread as they carry on as normal).

High school kids are supposed to regularly LF test but in my experience very few do it. We’ve been trying to do it twice weekly as recommended but totally forgot last Wednesday, so she was only tested on the Sunday last week and then Sunday this week. But from what I gather, most kids she talks to don’t bother at all and have only had PCR tests if they have a cough or sniffle.

To be fair though I’m convinced LF tests are useless anyway.

[Zizu]

You can still catch it from vaccinated / unvaccinated people and have the same viral load though....no matter what you vax status is.

If you had children still in the 12-15 year age group....would you be making the decision to have them vaccinated with limited knowledge, possible side effects and limited use without seriously doubting why you were doing it?

I think all adults should get a vaccine if they are able to, I'm not as comfortable deciding what should go into children's bodies when they are not fully grown and its a newish vaccine


Children have been being successfully vaccinated for all manner of diseases though .. why is this any different


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[bots]

Children have been being successfully vaccinated for all manner of diseases though .. why is this any different


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because it provides zero medical benefit to the child, but does have a risk of vaccine side effects. That's a huge difference compared to other vaccines that they get.

Are people seriously going to accept the CMO saying that the benefit of this vaccination is against some unquantifiable measure of school disruption.

I am absolutely disgusted with him

[arista]

Downing Street having a cabinet meeting
right now.

SkyNews has confirmed its Live at 4PM today

[Alf]

Kids have been fine for 2 years, what's so special about now?

[user104658]

Children have been being successfully vaccinated for all manner of diseases though .. why is this any different


because it provides zero medical benefit to the child, but does have a risk of vaccine side effects. That's a huge difference compared to other vaccines that they get.

This. It's a risk/benefit ratio, and that's been sort of forgotten because of heavy anti-anti-vax campaigning. I was talking about this pre-covid. There's basically been concentrated efforts to insist that "vaccines are 100% safe, vaccines are risk free, vaccine injury does not exist" - which is a flat-out lie. They are extremely rare and standard childhood vaccinations are very well tested, but they are not risk free, vaccine injury occurs regularly. So how do we justify vaccination and why is it a good idea? Because we know as statistical fact that the risks associated with measles are MUCH higher than the risk of the measles vaccine. And there are obviously even more extreme examples than that (e.g. TB). Though there are some already-dubious examples already in the standard schedule these days - such as chicken pox vaccine.

The huge moral question about the Covid vaccine for under 15's is that there is no evidence at all that it offers a favourable benefit/risk ratio. It's being done for "the good of the community" rather than the benefit of the individual child, and to top that off, there isn't even any evidence that it'll be of benefit to the community.

It's quite a scary thing to be rolling the dice on, tbqfh.

[Zizu]

Kids have been fine for 2 years, what's so special about now?


The spreading of the disease..


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[Alf]

The spreading of the disease..


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How would you put that into an acronym?

[bots]

The spreading of the disease..


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the vaccine doesn't stop the spread though, so that is an incorrect assertion

[arista]

The spreading of the disease..





Yes, over 38,000 got it yesterday

[arista]

Live both News channels

Booster Jab Briefing with Van Tam
9 Downing St.

6 Months after the 2nd dose
Over 50's to get a 3rd jab



Dr. Jill Raine again
and
Prof. Wei Shen Lim (of the JCVI)

[user104658]

Certification Of Vaccination Identification launched 2019

How would you put that into an acronym?

COVILT :omgno:

[Zizu]

Mmm interesting. . .
I’ve heard that we will never offered a flu jab ( in the other arm ) at the same time .

I’ve never had the flu or a flu jab - don’t know what to do this year though .

Any thoughts ?


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[arista]

Mmm interesting. . .
I’ve heard that we will never offered a flu jab ( in the other arm ) at the same time .

I’ve never had the flu or a flu jab - don’t know what to do this year though .

Any thoughts ?





Tell them just the Covid Vaccine
not the Flu one.

[arista]

Shortly Sajid is Live in Parliament
Health Secretary update.

[bots]

i've never taken up the offer of the flu jab previously, but i will this time given i will be at a vaccination centre anyway for my covid booster.

[arista]

The Health Secretary
is now Live in Parliament

On Both News Channels

[rusticgal]

i've never taken up the offer of the flu jab previously, but i will this time given i will be at a vaccination centre anyway for my covid booster.


Same here...

[Alf]

COVILT :omgno:But you agree, that's what COVID-19 stands for, right?

[Alf]

You'd then probably need an event to implement that certificate. So how fortunate that the Corona Virus came along.

[Vanessa]

I don't want the flu jab.
We're still wearing masks at work, so I don't think we need it this year.

[arista]

I don't want the flu jab.
We're still wearing masks at work, so I don't think we need it this year.

Yes that's fair

[arista]

Its now Live Early
at 3:30PM with Johnson PM

[Nicky91]

the only jab i ever had was back when i was like 3 or 4, so way long time ago


now it is more vitamins for me, 3 pills of vitamin A, 5 pills of vitamin C, and 1 pill of vitamin D each day (the vitamin D though we only began with last year because we had read extra vitamin D is good for you in times like these with covid)


always have had good hygiene myself, my parents, we also have anti-bacterial wipes to clean our groceries too, that is how far we go basically to protect ourselves from any bacteria, virusses

and we never open the door not even for delivery guys for packages, we say it out of window to put it down in front of our door

[user104658]

But you agree, that's what COVID-19 stands for, right?

It supposedly stands for Coronavirus Disease 2019. Though I always thought that was a odd/dumb acronym.

[Alf]

That woman to Trudeau, though, welp!


Do you believe we'll return to life as we knew it to be just two years ago? I for one would like to find out if we are.




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[Alf]

It supposedly stands for Coronavirus Disease 2019. Though I always thought that was a odd/dumb acronym.The one I suggested sounds more plausible, would you agree? Especially with all this vaccination ID talk.

[Cherie]

That woman to Trudeau, though, welp!


Do you believe we'll return to life as we knew it to be just two years ago? I for one would like to find out if we are.




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Honestly that’s kinda creepy

[Alf]

Honestly that’s kinda creepyI think a reasonable question to ask would be, are we returning to life as we knew it? Don't you think?

Next time the PM or Witty are answering questions, that would be a reasonable question to ask, I'd say.